Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
Well I am someone who happens to be VAC banned on the HL1 engine, on the same account I keep all my Source engine games no less. FYI, I have never used hacks, so if you're going to ban me from your dedicated servers (which I probably won't even notice or care) you should at least know your logic is bullshit. Tony Paloma wrote: I'm definitely in favor. Banning people who cheated in other engines will suffice in the mean time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:04 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker That's not true, I actually can think of better deterrents but I don't think most people would be in favor of jail time for cheaters. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Dustin Wyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you hack on one engine, you're likely to hack on another. Even if that wasn't true, I can't think of a better deterrent than thread of banning from all Valve games. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:30 PM, tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a stupid idea. Hey, I'm vac banned on the HL1 engine, therefore I must hack in every game I own, right? Donnie Newlove wrote: Well, his VAC status does not look good for him so its true that he is a cheater, but he has probably not been caught by VAC on the Source engine. This plugin still does not exist yet, but when it does it will change that, I'm looking forward to it. http://www.vacbanned.com/plugin.php On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
innocent till proven guilty tbfh, if you cant be arsed to manage your servers and ban cheaters as they join they you should be running servers. 2008/11/21 tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I am someone who happens to be VAC banned on the HL1 engine, on the same account I keep all my Source engine games no less. FYI, I have never used hacks, so if you're going to ban me from your dedicated servers (which I probably won't even notice or care) you should at least know your logic is bullshit. Tony Paloma wrote: I'm definitely in favor. Banning people who cheated in other engines will suffice in the mean time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:04 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker That's not true, I actually can think of better deterrents but I don't think most people would be in favor of jail time for cheaters. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Dustin Wyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you hack on one engine, you're likely to hack on another. Even if that wasn't true, I can't think of a better deterrent than thread of banning from all Valve games. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:30 PM, tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a stupid idea. Hey, I'm vac banned on the HL1 engine, therefore I must hack in every game I own, right? Donnie Newlove wrote: Well, his VAC status does not look good for him so its true that he is a cheater, but he has probably not been caught by VAC on the Source engine. This plugin still does not exist yet, but when it does it will change that, I'm looking forward to it. http://www.vacbanned.com/plugin.php On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
ignore my poor typing aswell its early here in the UK :) (shouldnt be running servers) 2008/11/21 Craig Collinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] innocent till proven guilty tbfh, if you cant be arsed to manage your servers and ban cheaters as they join they you should be running servers. 2008/11/21 tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I am someone who happens to be VAC banned on the HL1 engine, on the same account I keep all my Source engine games no less. FYI, I have never used hacks, so if you're going to ban me from your dedicated servers (which I probably won't even notice or care) you should at least know your logic is bullshit. Tony Paloma wrote: I'm definitely in favor. Banning people who cheated in other engines will suffice in the mean time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:04 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker That's not true, I actually can think of better deterrents but I don't think most people would be in favor of jail time for cheaters. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Dustin Wyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you hack on one engine, you're likely to hack on another. Even if that wasn't true, I can't think of a better deterrent than thread of banning from all Valve games. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:30 PM, tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a stupid idea. Hey, I'm vac banned on the HL1 engine, therefore I must hack in every game I own, right? Donnie Newlove wrote: Well, his VAC status does not look good for him so its true that he is a cheater, but he has probably not been caught by VAC on the Source engine. This plugin still does not exist yet, but when it does it will change that, I'm looking forward to it. http://www.vacbanned.com/plugin.php On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
Being VAC banned is not proven guilty? Use performance-enhancing drugs to cheat in sports and you might not be allowed to participate in any games or competitions for many years or never again at all in your life. This is because a person with a cheating mentality will cheat when given the opportunity. Cheating takes away the challenge in playing games and leaves only a will to win at the cost of fairness and fun. Of course professional sports for medals, money and recognition and public network games for fun are very different, but if you used drugs to beat your friends in a just for fun football game then you will lose a lot of friends. But no one would do that. You might however cheat online if you got that mentality because it's easy to get away with and it's hard to get caught in the first place, so any step that makes getting caught cheating online having a bigger impact on the cheater and therefore making cheating online less attractive is a step in the right direction. It does not matter if you were teenager when you cheated, I was a teenager not too long ago and I never cheated or committed crimes that would hurt or affect another person negatively. A teenager's brain is not fully developed, but if you believe that a teenager cannot think straight enough to understand crime and punishment, right and wrong, choice and consequence then maybe teenagers should not be playing violent video games in which you kill other people the first place. But they do, and they can without going on killing sprees, so blaming your bad choices on being a teenager, now that is bullshit and it will not give you an online get out of jail free card. On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Craig Collinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: innocent till proven guilty tbfh, if you cant be arsed to manage your servers and ban cheaters as they join they you should be running servers. 2008/11/21 tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I am someone who happens to be VAC banned on the HL1 engine, on the same account I keep all my Source engine games no less. FYI, I have never used hacks, so if you're going to ban me from your dedicated servers (which I probably won't even notice or care) you should at least know your logic is bullshit. Tony Paloma wrote: I'm definitely in favor. Banning people who cheated in other engines will suffice in the mean time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:04 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker That's not true, I actually can think of better deterrents but I don't think most people would be in favor of jail time for cheaters. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Dustin Wyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you hack on one engine, you're likely to hack on another. Even if that wasn't true, I can't think of a better deterrent than thread of banning from all Valve games. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:30 PM, tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a stupid idea. Hey, I'm vac banned on the HL1 engine, therefore I must hack in every game I own, right? Donnie Newlove wrote: Well, his VAC status does not look good for him so its true that he is a cheater, but he has probably not been caught by VAC on the Source engine. This plugin still does not exist yet, but when it does it will change that, I'm looking forward to it. http://www.vacbanned.com/plugin.php On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
What did you say besides what boils down to I don't agree to prove that the logic is bullshit? On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:04 AM, tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I am someone who happens to be VAC banned on the HL1 engine, on the same account I keep all my Source engine games no less. FYI, I have never used hacks, so if you're going to ban me from your dedicated servers (which I probably won't even notice or care) you should at least know your logic is bullshit. Tony Paloma wrote: I'm definitely in favor. Banning people who cheated in other engines will suffice in the mean time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:04 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker That's not true, I actually can think of better deterrents but I don't think most people would be in favor of jail time for cheaters. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Dustin Wyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you hack on one engine, you're likely to hack on another. Even if that wasn't true, I can't think of a better deterrent than thread of banning from all Valve games. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:30 PM, tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a stupid idea. Hey, I'm vac banned on the HL1 engine, therefore I must hack in every game I own, right? Donnie Newlove wrote: Well, his VAC status does not look good for him so its true that he is a cheater, but he has probably not been caught by VAC on the Source engine. This plugin still does not exist yet, but when it does it will change that, I'm looking forward to it. http://www.vacbanned.com/plugin.php On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
please bear in mind that there are a lot of false positives with vac ^^ Being VAC banned is not proven guilty? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
I have a VAC ban on my record (hl1).I am not a hacker. Banning me because I'm banned on a different system would be unjustified, and accomplish absolutely nothing other than having 1 less player on your server. Like someone said, if you want to stop hackers from playing on your servers, either catch them in the act or let VAC do its thing because there's no way you'll ever know otherwise. On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:23 AM, Dustin Wyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: What did you say besides what boils down to I don't agree to prove that the logic is bullshit? On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:04 AM, tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I am someone who happens to be VAC banned on the HL1 engine, on the same account I keep all my Source engine games no less. FYI, I have never used hacks, so if you're going to ban me from your dedicated servers (which I probably won't even notice or care) you should at least know your logic is bullshit. Tony Paloma wrote: I'm definitely in favor. Banning people who cheated in other engines will suffice in the mean time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:04 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker That's not true, I actually can think of better deterrents but I don't think most people would be in favor of jail time for cheaters. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Dustin Wyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you hack on one engine, you're likely to hack on another. Even if that wasn't true, I can't think of a better deterrent than thread of banning from all Valve games. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:30 PM, tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a stupid idea. Hey, I'm vac banned on the HL1 engine, therefore I must hack in every game I own, right? Donnie Newlove wrote: Well, his VAC status does not look good for him so its true that he is a cheater, but he has probably not been caught by VAC on the Source engine. This plugin still does not exist yet, but when it does it will change that, I'm looking forward to it. http://www.vacbanned.com/plugin.php On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
By your logic, if someone robs a bank and goes to prison, then they should get life as it's impossible to change. Or if you get caught with pot or push someone or anything that can land you in jail for a few months or so (contempt of court even), they should never be let loose since they will just do it again. That is the logic I see you presenting. I think (and thankfully, society agrees with me) that you are using flawed logic. Either that or I'm not understanding your point of view. Dustin Wyatt wrote: What did you say besides what boils down to I don't agree to prove that the logic is bullshit? On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:04 AM, tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I am someone who happens to be VAC banned on the HL1 engine, on the same account I keep all my Source engine games no less. FYI, I have never used hacks, so if you're going to ban me from your dedicated servers (which I probably won't even notice or care) you should at least know your logic is bullshit. Tony Paloma wrote: I'm definitely in favor. Banning people who cheated in other engines will suffice in the mean time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:04 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker That's not true, I actually can think of better deterrents but I don't think most people would be in favor of jail time for cheaters. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Dustin Wyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you hack on one engine, you're likely to hack on another. Even if that wasn't true, I can't think of a better deterrent than thread of banning from all Valve games. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:30 PM, tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a stupid idea. Hey, I'm vac banned on the HL1 engine, therefore I must hack in every game I own, right? Donnie Newlove wrote: Well, his VAC status does not look good for him so its true that he is a cheater, but he has probably not been caught by VAC on the Source engine. This plugin still does not exist yet, but when it does it will change that, I'm looking forward to it. http://www.vacbanned.com/plugin.php On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
That is not my line of reasoning at all. Could you please point out where I addressed the length of bans? I merely said that cross-game banning would be a greater deterrent than single game banning. If it was technically feasible, I could fully support a system that allowed for bans to be time-limited dependent on mitigating factors like the age of the person when he first cheated. Additionally, your analogies are appeals to emotion as there is little similarity between cheating and being banned in a video game and taking away someones freedom to move (prison). If we're going to use such analogies yours still don't hold. Since we're talking about cross-domain and not length of punishment, a more appropriate analogy would be this: How much of a deterrent would prison be if you could commit a crime and then go to the neighboring town and not have to worry about prison time? On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Leonard L. Church [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By your logic, if someone robs a bank and goes to prison, then they should get life as it's impossible to change. Or if you get caught with pot or push someone or anything that can land you in jail for a few months or so (contempt of court even), they should never be let loose since they will just do it again. That is the logic I see you presenting. I think (and thankfully, society agrees with me) that you are using flawed logic. Either that or I'm not understanding your point of view. Dustin Wyatt wrote: What did you say besides what boils down to I don't agree to prove that the logic is bullshit? On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:04 AM, tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I am someone who happens to be VAC banned on the HL1 engine, on the same account I keep all my Source engine games no less. FYI, I have never used hacks, so if you're going to ban me from your dedicated servers (which I probably won't even notice or care) you should at least know your logic is bullshit. Tony Paloma wrote: I'm definitely in favor. Banning people who cheated in other engines will suffice in the mean time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:04 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker That's not true, I actually can think of better deterrents but I don't think most people would be in favor of jail time for cheaters. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Dustin Wyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you hack on one engine, you're likely to hack on another. Even if that wasn't true, I can't think of a better deterrent than thread of banning from all Valve games. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:30 PM, tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a stupid idea. Hey, I'm vac banned on the HL1 engine, therefore I must hack in every game I own, right? Donnie Newlove wrote: Well, his VAC status does not look good for him so its true that he is a cheater, but he has probably not been caught by VAC on the Source engine. This plugin still does not exist yet, but when it does it will change that, I'm looking forward to it. http://www.vacbanned.com/plugin.php On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences
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You obviously have proof to backup that statement? 2008/11/21 Philip Bembridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] please bear in mind that there are a lot of false positives with vac ^^ Being VAC banned is not proven guilty? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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How many are false positives? How many are positives? I am very interested. please bear in mind that there are a lot of false positives with vac ^^ Being VAC banned is not proven guilty? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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The logic does hold, the VAC ban is only 1 year, so if you rob a bank you are sent to jail for some amount of time. Durring that time you are banned from all other activities. Sounds like a fairly good analog to me. Now to address Scott, how did you get HL1 VAC banned if you didn't use a cheat? False positive? I doubt it... On 11/21/08, Ronny Schedel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many are false positives? How many are positives? I am very interested. please bear in mind that there are a lot of false positives with vac ^^ Being VAC banned is not proven guilty? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- -Greg Matherne ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Gregory Matherne wrote: The logic does hold, the VAC ban is only 1 year, so if you rob a bank you are sent to jail for some amount of time. Durring that time you are banned from all other activities. Sounds like a fairly good analog to me. Actually, VAC bans never go away. Not sure why you think they are only 1 year long. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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They are permanant now, they haven't been 1 year for ages Leonard L. Church wrote: Gregory Matherne wrote: The logic does hold, the VAC ban is only 1 year, so if you rob a bank you are sent to jail for some amount of time. Durring that time you are banned from all other activities. Sounds like a fairly good analog to me. Actually, VAC bans never go away. Not sure why you think they are only 1 year long. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Missed the update on that... Anyway if they are permanant then I agree banning for all games might be a bit over the top. On 11/21/08, Tom Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are permanant now, they haven't been 1 year for ages Leonard L. Church wrote: Gregory Matherne wrote: The logic does hold, the VAC ban is only 1 year, so if you rob a bank you are sent to jail for some amount of time. Durring that time you are banned from all other activities. Sounds like a fairly good analog to me. Actually, VAC bans never go away. Not sure why you think they are only 1 year long. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- -Greg Matherne ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
= death penalty - Original Message - From: Tom Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker They are permanant now, they haven't been 1 year for ages ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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It doesn't ban you from your games. Just from playing on secure servers. The old argument goes that Valve gave them a chance, banned cheaters for a year, that didn't work so they increased it further.. then permanent. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gregory Matherne Sent: Saturday, 22 November 2008 4:41 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker Missed the update on that... Anyway if they are permanant then I agree banning for all games might be a bit over the top. On 11/21/08, Tom Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They are permanant now, they haven't been 1 year for ages Leonard L. Church wrote: Gregory Matherne wrote: The logic does hold, the VAC ban is only 1 year, so if you rob a bank you are sent to jail for some amount of time. Durring that time you are banned from all other activities. Sounds like a fairly good analog to me. Actually, VAC bans never go away. Not sure why you think they are only 1 year long. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- -Greg Matherne ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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The length of the bans does not matter because cheaters are never banned, only their account is. It's like taking the robbers shotgun away and put it in jail for a year, five years or forever, it does not matter, because the robber is still free and will just buy or steal a new shotgun. Next day he is back in business. On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Leonard L. Church [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gregory Matherne wrote: The logic does hold, the VAC ban is only 1 year, so if you rob a bank you are sent to jail for some amount of time. Durring that time you are banned from all other activities. Sounds like a fairly good analog to me. Actually, VAC bans never go away. Not sure why you think they are only 1 year long. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Yeah, but your analogy falls apart. Cheaters don't get money from cheating, so having to buy a new copy of a game is a deterrent. Stealing accounts can get you into serious trouble, and the more often you have to do it, the more likely you are to get caught. VAC and sv_pure go a long way to keep the cheaters out. Good communication with other admins can fill the gaps quite well. I honestly don't think there's a better way to handle it, and I've never seen VAC give out a false positive. And if it does, just email Valve. Odds are others have had the issue, and odds are Valve wants to rectify it. Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:39:32 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker The length of the bans does not matter because cheaters are never banned, only their account is. It's like taking the robbers shotgun away and put it in jail for a year, five years or forever, it does not matter, because the robber is still free and will just buy or steal a new shotgun. Next day he is back in business. On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Leonard L. Church [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gregory Matherne wrote: The logic does hold, the VAC ban is only 1 year, so if you rob a bank you are sent to jail for some amount of time. Durring that time you are banned from all other activities. Sounds like a fairly good analog to me. Actually, VAC bans never go away. Not sure why you think they are only 1 year long. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_112008 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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In the end, neither I nor most of the other admins care what the hell you all say. We'll do what we want with our servers. I will definitely think about implementing this vac ban plugin as long as it has a white-list. If someone bothers to post on my site saying they were banned but would like another chance then that might be enough to give them one. Or I might not just bother with white lists at all... We'll see. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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For the plugin, it would be nice to restrict bans to 1 engine. Im pretty sure the bans in the database arent all known yet or active to ban from servers for VAC. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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dito, found him on my ban list. Funny than he/she hasnt a vac ban yet. - Original Message - From: Tony Paloma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker This guy was already on my list, but thanks. I hate how one guy can empty out the place. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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That's a stupid idea. Hey, I'm vac banned on the HL1 engine, therefore I must hack in every game I own, right? Donnie Newlove wrote: Well, his VAC status does not look good for him so its true that he is a cheater, but he has probably not been caught by VAC on the Source engine. This plugin still does not exist yet, but when it does it will change that, I'm looking forward to it. http://www.vacbanned.com/plugin.php On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Right. On 11/20/08, tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a stupid idea. Hey, I'm vac banned on the HL1 engine, therefore I must hack in every game I own, right? Donnie Newlove wrote: Well, his VAC status does not look good for him so its true that he is a cheater, but he has probably not been caught by VAC on the Source engine. This plugin still does not exist yet, but when it does it will change that, I'm looking forward to it. http://www.vacbanned.com/plugin.php On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
If you hack on one engine, you're likely to hack on another. Even if that wasn't true, I can't think of a better deterrent than thread of banning from all Valve games. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:30 PM, tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a stupid idea. Hey, I'm vac banned on the HL1 engine, therefore I must hack in every game I own, right? Donnie Newlove wrote: Well, his VAC status does not look good for him so its true that he is a cheater, but he has probably not been caught by VAC on the Source engine. This plugin still does not exist yet, but when it does it will change that, I'm looking forward to it. http://www.vacbanned.com/plugin.php On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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That's not true, I actually can think of better deterrents but I don't think most people would be in favor of jail time for cheaters. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Dustin Wyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you hack on one engine, you're likely to hack on another. Even if that wasn't true, I can't think of a better deterrent than thread of banning from all Valve games. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:30 PM, tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a stupid idea. Hey, I'm vac banned on the HL1 engine, therefore I must hack in every game I own, right? Donnie Newlove wrote: Well, his VAC status does not look good for him so its true that he is a cheater, but he has probably not been caught by VAC on the Source engine. This plugin still does not exist yet, but when it does it will change that, I'm looking forward to it. http://www.vacbanned.com/plugin.php On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Indeed. I would have no problem with banning a known COD hacker from CS/TF2 if I knew them to be the same person (though if they were, say, teenage, this would be up for review after a certain number of years in case they'd matured ^^) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: 20 November 2008 23:04 To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker If you hack on one engine, you're likely to hack on another. Even if that wasn't true, I can't think of a better deterrent than thread of banning from all Valve games. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:30 PM, tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a stupid idea. Hey, I'm vac banned on the HL1 engine, therefore I must hack in every game I own, right? Donnie Newlove wrote: Well, his VAC status does not look good for him so its true that he is a cheater, but he has probably not been caught by VAC on the Source engine. This plugin still does not exist yet, but when it does it will change that, I'm looking forward to it. http://www.vacbanned.com/plugin.php On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
I'm definitely in favor. Banning people who cheated in other engines will suffice in the mean time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dustin Wyatt Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:04 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker That's not true, I actually can think of better deterrents but I don't think most people would be in favor of jail time for cheaters. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Dustin Wyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you hack on one engine, you're likely to hack on another. Even if that wasn't true, I can't think of a better deterrent than thread of banning from all Valve games. On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:30 PM, tgnwells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a stupid idea. Hey, I'm vac banned on the HL1 engine, therefore I must hack in every game I own, right? Donnie Newlove wrote: Well, his VAC status does not look good for him so its true that he is a cheater, but he has probably not been caught by VAC on the Source engine. This plugin still does not exist yet, but when it does it will change that, I'm looking forward to it. http://www.vacbanned.com/plugin.php On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] TF2 Hacker
So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
2008/11/20 Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds next time get some proof(ineye demo or something). Tyrael ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
Why should we bother to ban someone if you can't be bothered to provide evidence? Ben B wrote: people were leaving in droves, i wasn't going to waste time recording a demo when it was so obvious. http://gs1.1.fpsbanana.com/psychostats/player.php?id=2051 look at this stats, 50 snipers kills in 16 minutes, 25 rifle kills, all headshots On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ferenc Kovacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/20 Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds next time get some proof(ineye demo or something). Tyrael ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
put his ID in google, and you will see that he has been banned from multiple server for speedhacks/aimbots. That along with my psychostats page should be just as good as a demo. He emptied my server, and I was getting rid of him as soon as possible. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Kitteny Berk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why should we bother to ban someone if you can't be bothered to provide evidence? Ben B wrote: people were leaving in droves, i wasn't going to waste time recording a demo when it was so obvious. http://gs1.1.fpsbanana.com/psychostats/player.php?id=2051 look at this stats, 50 snipers kills in 16 minutes, 25 rifle kills, all headshots On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ferenc Kovacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/20 Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds next time get some proof(ineye demo or something). Tyrael ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
I've run into a few hackers running my TF2 server. We as server operators must work together to get rid of the riff raff. To accomplish that, we must be willing to trust each other. Proof is nice, but the moment you put up a video, you'll have people (just for the hell of it) saying Some people are just that good., LOL, you're just a noob., U Mad., Could you run these commands and check ..., etc. The ONLY thing that gets you banned from my servers is hacking (including exploiting maps and trying to exploit the server). I find it is best to deal with these people swiftly, and without recourse. I do not engage them in conversation, nor do I tell them why they were banned. If I am not sure they are hacking, I observe them. If I'm still not sure, I assume they aren't. Usually, hackers just hop from server to server causing shit. It's unlikely I'll see them again, but I do make a note of them in case others encounter them. And before the issue is raised - I fully support public display of the hacker's IP and Steam ID. Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:44:36 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker Why should we bother to ban someone if you can't be bothered to provide evidence? Ben B wrote: people were leaving in droves, i wasn't going to waste time recording a demo when it was so obvious. http://gs1.1.fpsbanana.com/psychostats/player.php?id=2051 look at this stats, 50 snipers kills in 16 minutes, 25 rifle kills, all headshots On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ferenc Kovacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/20 Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds next time get some proof(ineye demo or something). Tyrael ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
zero tolerance. very good. Blood Letter wrote: I've run into a few hackers running my TF2 server. We as server operators must work together to get rid of the riff raff. To accomplish that, we must be willing to trust each other. Proof is nice, but the moment you put up a video, you'll have people (just for the hell of it) saying Some people are just that good., LOL, you're just a noob., U Mad., Could you run these commands and check ..., etc. The ONLY thing that gets you banned from my servers is hacking (including exploiting maps and trying to exploit the server). I find it is best to deal with these people swiftly, and without recourse. I do not engage them in conversation, nor do I tell them why they were banned. If I am not sure they are hacking, I observe them. If I'm still not sure, I assume they aren't. Usually, hackers just hop from server to server causing shit. It's unlikely I'll see them again, but I do make a note of them in case others encounter them. And before the issue is raised - I fully support public display of the hacker's IP and Steam ID. Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:44:36 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker Why should we bother to ban someone if you can't be bothered to provide evidence? Ben B wrote: people were leaving in droves, i wasn't going to waste time recording a demo when it was so obvious. http://gs1.1.fpsbanana.com/psychostats/player.php?id=2051 look at this stats, 50 snipers kills in 16 minutes, 25 rifle kills, all headshots On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ferenc Kovacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/20 Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds next time get some proof(ineye demo or something). Tyrael ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
Thanks, Banned. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Neal Daringer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: zero tolerance. very good. Blood Letter wrote: I've run into a few hackers running my TF2 server. We as server operators must work together to get rid of the riff raff. To accomplish that, we must be willing to trust each other. Proof is nice, but the moment you put up a video, you'll have people (just for the hell of it) saying Some people are just that good., LOL, you're just a noob., U Mad., Could you run these commands and check ..., etc. The ONLY thing that gets you banned from my servers is hacking (including exploiting maps and trying to exploit the server). I find it is best to deal with these people swiftly, and without recourse. I do not engage them in conversation, nor do I tell them why they were banned. If I am not sure they are hacking, I observe them. If I'm still not sure, I assume they aren't. Usually, hackers just hop from server to server causing shit. It's unlikely I'll see them again, but I do make a note of them in case others encounter them. And before the issue is raised - I fully support public display of the hacker's IP and Steam ID. Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:44:36 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker Why should we bother to ban someone if you can't be bothered to provide evidence? Ben B wrote: people were leaving in droves, i wasn't going to waste time recording a demo when it was so obvious. http://gs1.1.fpsbanana.com/psychostats/player.php?id=2051 look at this stats, 50 snipers kills in 16 minutes, 25 rifle kills, all headshots On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Ferenc Kovacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/20 Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds next time get some proof(ineye demo or something). Tyrael ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
This guy was already on my list, but thanks. I hate how one guy can empty out the place. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben B Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 4:10 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: [hlds] TF2 Hacker So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] TF2 Hacker
Well, his VAC status does not look good for him so its true that he is a cheater, but he has probably not been caught by VAC on the Source engine. This plugin still does not exist yet, but when it does it will change that, I'm looking forward to it. http://www.vacbanned.com/plugin.php On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 1:10 AM, Ben B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I wanted to play on my server, 18 poeple on it, filling up... so while I load, this hacker gets on with his aimbot/speed hack as sniper, and basically makes most people quit, there are only 5 people remaining when I get in game. You have no Idea how enraged I was over this, I told him I was giving his ID to anyone I can find, so here I go. nicknames: Pitty: like 1000? lol, [COTB]austantacious Steam Page: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197997419331 STEAM_ID: STEAM_0:1:18576801 IP: 24.2.199.151 Please ban this pile of crap from all your servers until vac gets him or something D:. -- From Ben B. (Goerge) ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
