Re: [Hpr] Series Idea
No problem I've renamed the site to Hobby Public Radio. LOL :-) http://hobbypublicradio.org/ From the policy point of view there is no real discussion. The HPR site says 'Our shows are produced by listeners like you and can be on any topic that "are of interest to hobbyists/hackers".' What makes a hacker, well someone who contributes to HPR of course. Given Lord Drachenblut was seen by many to be the quintessential HPR hacker type, and lostnbronx designs space ships for a living, well we can safely say we covered that requirement with flying colo(u)rs. We generally create a series once there are three shows on the topic, and there are already two shows from Lord Drachenblut http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=24 Namely: hpr0659 :: 10 Buck Review - Serenity http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=0659 hpr0779 :: 10 Buck Review: War Games http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=0779 So if lostnbronx sends in another one then it's a series. Ken the Admin Now as a host, I think this is a brilliant idea. It's a fantastic way to hono(u)r his memory. I was sure his fellow hackers would like to also get involved which is why I suggested to lostnbronx to mail the topic to the list. As I remember it, the rules for the show were the movie needs to cost 10 bucks or less. I would suggest that hosts should feel free to interpret what is reviewed as they see fit, so long as the item is widely available for under "10 Bucks". I would be interested in - picking topics at random here you understand - cheap multimeters, 2nd hand boardgames, old audio gear from the good will, laptops found in an auction, etc. https://web.archive.org/web/20091121215226/http://tenbuckreview.net/about/ -- Regards, Ken Fallon http://kenfallon.com http://hackerpublicradio.org/correspondents.php?hostid=30 On 2019-08-27 09:18, Mike Ray wrote: > > Maybe HPR should change its name. Get rid of the 'hacker' part. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
Re: [Hpr] Series Idea
Ok LnB, I'd like to see your format so I can derive something similar without going too far outside of your structures. I love the idea of "I watched this, it was horrible and here is why you should watch it" *Poof* minds blown. --cobra2 ___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
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I listened to an episode of snoring. I welcome movie reviews. On 8/26/19 3:51 PM, lostnbronx wrote: From: "Thaj A. Sara" At the end of the day if someone only wants technical discussion they can skip these episodes, or contribute what they feel is lacking. Just my two cents. In my mind, this is an open series, with an open format. I have a particular way I want to do mine, but there's no reason why others have to follow that structure. I don't see any reason why people can't include how-tos, industrial films, documentaries, or even YouTube videos, with or without technical or "hacker" qualities to them. Thinking about it now, I believe that creating film reviews outside the traditional entertainment industry, and its various associated media engines, is one way of hacking that system. It's a small effort, and probably ineffectual regarding changes to their business models; but to my way of thinking, hacking isn't about other people and how they do things, it's about me, and how I want to do them. From: cobra2 I'm interested if we can open this up to a pool larger than archive.org even though there is great content there. I surf the bargain bins and buy a lot of media from yard sales. My library is almost 95% sourced second hand. P2P counts as second hand right? Again, since HPR won't host any of the films or videos, and therefore, won't be redistributing them, there's no reason why reviews can't be about anything from anywhere. Certainly, Lord D didn't care about that stuff for "10 Buck Review", and he was one of the most Open Culture guys I've known. DVDs, Netflix, YouTube; as far as I'm concerned, it's all fair game, and ultimately up to the episode host. I'm going to focus on Public Domain and CC content, but that's just me. So, unless I hear any compelling arguments against this -- and I haven't yet -- I'm going to go ahead with this series idea. People can join in and contribute their own reviews, or not, in any way they see fit. All are welcome. These episodes will be easy enough to ignore for those who don't like them; as always, if you'd like to see other content on HPR, there's an easy solution to that, and you already know what it is. ___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
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> From: "Thaj A. Sara" > At the end of the day if someone only wants technical discussion they can > skip these episodes, or contribute what they feel is lacking. Just my two > cents. In my mind, this is an open series, with an open format. I have a particular way I want to do mine, but there's no reason why others have to follow that structure. I don't see any reason why people can't include how-tos, industrial films, documentaries, or even YouTube videos, with or without technical or "hacker" qualities to them. Thinking about it now, I believe that creating film reviews outside the traditional entertainment industry, and its various associated media engines, is one way of hacking that system. It's a small effort, and probably ineffectual regarding changes to their business models; but to my way of thinking, hacking isn't about other people and how they do things, it's about me, and how I want to do them. > From: cobra2 > I'm interested if we can open this up to a pool larger than archive.org even > though there is great content there. I surf the bargain bins and buy a lot > of media from yard sales. > > My library is almost 95% sourced second hand. P2P counts as second hand > right? Again, since HPR won't host any of the films or videos, and therefore, won't be redistributing them, there's no reason why reviews can't be about anything from anywhere. Certainly, Lord D didn't care about that stuff for "10 Buck Review", and he was one of the most Open Culture guys I've known. DVDs, Netflix, YouTube; as far as I'm concerned, it's all fair game, and ultimately up to the episode host. I'm going to focus on Public Domain and CC content, but that's just me. So, unless I hear any compelling arguments against this -- and I haven't yet -- I'm going to go ahead with this series idea. People can join in and contribute their own reviews, or not, in any way they see fit. All are welcome. These episodes will be easy enough to ignore for those who don't like them; as always, if you'd like to see other content on HPR, there's an easy solution to that, and you already know what it is. -- http://www.cavalcadeaudio.com/ ___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
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I'm interested if we can open this up to a pool larger than archive.org even though there is great content there. I surf the bargain bins and buy a lot of media from yard sales. My library is almost 95% sourced second hand. P2P counts as second hand right? --cobra2 On August 25, 2019 5:13:25 PM UTC, lostnbronx wrote: >On 8/25/19, Jeroen Baten wrote: >> Sounds like fun. Create a review panel, record the review. Let's do a >> tryout. >> >> Regards, >> Jeroen Baten > >I think there was a film review series on HPR a while back that was a >group chat thing. That's a real hassle to edit (at least, I find it to >be). I'm more interested in something that's just run & gun, where >I'll record the show when I'm driving around in the car. It makes the >editing simple, and if it's not simple, I'm not likely to keep doing >it. > >This would not, in any way, preclude others from doing reviews for the >series in whatever ways they'd like. For myself, simple and easy means >I can maintain it over time. ___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
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I think this is a great idea. As far as the relavance to hackers, there seems to be a significant overlap in hacker culture and Free culture (especially in the HPR community), so pulling from archive.org and the like seems to align well. As someone who was regularly involved in the HPR Audiobook Club, I think this is something the podcast has been missing since its absence. At the end of the day if someone only wants technical discussion they can skip these episodes, or contribute what they feel is lacking. Just my two cents. On August 25, 2019 12:56:28 PM EDT, lostnbronx wrote: >This is cribbed from a letter I sent to Ken, and he suggested I might >want to run it by the list. > >I had an idea for an HPR series. As you might recall, among the many >podcasts he did, Lord Drachenblut had one called "Ten Buck Review", >wherein he reviewed movies from the bargain bin at Wal-mart that were >$10 or less. I did a review for that show, of a film off the Internet >Archive. > >I was thinking of starting up a series for HPR, called, "Lord D's Film >Reviews", where I grab a movie from some free source online, such as >Archive.org, and do a review of it following a few of the categories I >outlined in the "Random Elements of Storytelling" series. > >It's "Lord D's" reviews, because the series will be dedicated to him. >I'm not a tech guy; I only worked with him through the review podcast. >For me, that will always be how I knew Lord D. The show notes will >have the links to the films. And also, of course, this would be an open >series, to which anyone could contribute. > >So, my question is, can this be considered "of interest to hackers"? >I'm on the fence about this part, so opinions are very welcome. > >-- >http://www.cavalcadeaudio.com/ > >___ >Hpr mailing list >Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org >http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
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This is an excellent question. I think it's been discussed before but what do hackers do better than discuss things ad infinitum? Hackers are people, too. As such, stories are of interest to hackers. In some ways, stories seem almost as on topic as firing up your favorite hex editor. Not only that but the discussion of stories tends to be from a hacker's perspective. I find that generally more helpful than reviews found elsewhere. On 8/25/19 7:27 PM, Christopher M. Hobbs wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Granted I haven't contributed an episode in a few months but what do movies have to do with hackers? I don't mean to be a stick in the mud, general inquiry. I have no strong feelings one way or the other about the idea. cmh - -- Happy Hacking! http://manor.space/~cmhobbs GPG: 1200 0808 F968 47AB F489 91A3 FE26 6FFB 1A77 0868 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEEgAICPloR6v0iZGj/iZv+xp3CGgFAl1jGUQACgkQ/iZv+xp3 CGi73xAAnoTPI0d3dlbwg9qfqM7TnKLJ1YAXWRGTS4k++lE5z3vXiRi54EoeFwRD ZceEOGNKdfFnVK+l3v5Z8iQ3NBE+3IPf7SzxBN6Bjsiogtxfi5rN+tY6eXJBkvja XsB78Q30Y4XYLLMrHsTR+iVNM5OB017wKQQdT0+BwXByclllTHsuAmMAt9GZO6ey A5VEJEcPjUE692tA9h+6xZkm0aiQr/et8rrpvb/ABnzIAmm1fUuiyfdpJPU9pDH1 WFpOXOkf5bZj1QQfsjM2YFMWA2d3sS4t1oglHJNowFvxAHYwmHNpQVR9Q4wLzFa8 LfDRyObeLB+6V4Vaq/QuyCeo3UHVyjN69XBYC8ibHErWMTvC0mym6B8nhe7stOSt WLePC0ZRxf230DkpmO7q+/JgP/qUVf0H8xHxXsVyqIaRMIBDeJjAXcxMlc9FCqJp u84mzrchOTKFt2rrwdvWqz9p18hKB2AQITh6fSzye3BTQJiVuc9cji6rQhr+9qE/ F1WDp7t15kbjOz67AmoD4lgSSfvwP7gb019fK8FsQUaQXdM2Cu2z2Cy7ovI25piJ /wBpIU57DKSXrS+vLZxot+BP4TGjDqpOWHUGczzYBYuqpkC/XLMaLbr+nFbhMTG0 MydXZ4yIfcJPwud+skTTbFh8Jq63CUPmSS8CgmXPG6CGRVlECV8= =dp0K -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org ___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
Re: [Hpr] Series Idea
I think if we had a recurring show where people reviewed an audio book, there is no reason why we couldn't have a show where someone did a movie review. Personally I don't think the movie being reviewed would have to be "free", but that's just my opinion. I think a review of free movies, low budget movies, big budget movies and all things in-between would be interesting. Hell I don't care if someone just wanted to review Netflix original movies only, I'd listen. As for format, I guess that would be up to you. I would enjoy something round table like the book club, but this is your show idea. You are just checking with us to make sure that it would be something appropriate for HPR, and I say hell yeah. Go for it. Honkeymagoo On Sun, Aug 25, 2019, 7:57 PM Klaatu wrote: > I think this is of interest to hackers. Certainly is to this one, anyway. > > I agree with your solution to defining 'free'. If you can find it in a > place that claims to be doing due diligence in determining that the film's > creators intend it to be available for $0 then it's good to go. And if some > contrary contributor decides to review something less legal, it's just a > review, so while not in the spirit of the series, it's not a risk to HPR. > > On 26 August 2019 8:15:32 AM NZST, lostnbronx > wrote: >> >> On 8/25/19, Nigel Verity wrote: >> >> How strictly do you feel the term "free" should be interpreted? I'm sure >>> most of us know how to get hold of movies for free as in beer, even if they >>> are not necessarily 100% legitimate in terms of all the copyright >>> legalities. >>> >> >> That's a good question. I guess I mean both free as in beer, and free >> as in freedom. Either Public Domain, or some sort of free license. >> Archive.org is a good source for content like this, but it's not the >> only one. >> >> Since HPR won't be hosting or distributing the films, I don't believe >> we're looking at any issues concerning copyright. >> >> ___ > Hpr mailing list > Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org > http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org > ___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
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I think this is of interest to hackers. Certainly is to this one, anyway. I agree with your solution to defining 'free'. If you can find it in a place that claims to be doing due diligence in determining that the film's creators intend it to be available for $0 then it's good to go. And if some contrary contributor decides to review something less legal, it's just a review, so while not in the spirit of the series, it's not a risk to HPR. On 26 August 2019 8:15:32 AM NZST, lostnbronx wrote: >On 8/25/19, Nigel Verity wrote: > >> How strictly do you feel the term "free" should be interpreted? I'm >sure >> most of us know how to get hold of movies for free as in beer, even >if they >> are not necessarily 100% legitimate in terms of all the copyright >> legalities. > >That's a good question. I guess I mean both free as in beer, and free >as in freedom. Either Public Domain, or some sort of free license. >Archive.org is a good source for content like this, but it's not the >only one. > >Since HPR won't be hosting or distributing the films, I don't believe >we're looking at any issues concerning copyright. >-- >http://www.cavalcadeaudio.com/ > >___ >Hpr mailing list >Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org >http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org ___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Granted I haven't contributed an episode in a few months but what do movies have to do with hackers? I don't mean to be a stick in the mud, general inquiry. I have no strong feelings one way or the other about the idea. cmh - -- Happy Hacking! http://manor.space/~cmhobbs GPG: 1200 0808 F968 47AB F489 91A3 FE26 6FFB 1A77 0868 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEEgAICPloR6v0iZGj/iZv+xp3CGgFAl1jGUQACgkQ/iZv+xp3 CGi73xAAnoTPI0d3dlbwg9qfqM7TnKLJ1YAXWRGTS4k++lE5z3vXiRi54EoeFwRD ZceEOGNKdfFnVK+l3v5Z8iQ3NBE+3IPf7SzxBN6Bjsiogtxfi5rN+tY6eXJBkvja XsB78Q30Y4XYLLMrHsTR+iVNM5OB017wKQQdT0+BwXByclllTHsuAmMAt9GZO6ey A5VEJEcPjUE692tA9h+6xZkm0aiQr/et8rrpvb/ABnzIAmm1fUuiyfdpJPU9pDH1 WFpOXOkf5bZj1QQfsjM2YFMWA2d3sS4t1oglHJNowFvxAHYwmHNpQVR9Q4wLzFa8 LfDRyObeLB+6V4Vaq/QuyCeo3UHVyjN69XBYC8ibHErWMTvC0mym6B8nhe7stOSt WLePC0ZRxf230DkpmO7q+/JgP/qUVf0H8xHxXsVyqIaRMIBDeJjAXcxMlc9FCqJp u84mzrchOTKFt2rrwdvWqz9p18hKB2AQITh6fSzye3BTQJiVuc9cji6rQhr+9qE/ F1WDp7t15kbjOz67AmoD4lgSSfvwP7gb019fK8FsQUaQXdM2Cu2z2Cy7ovI25piJ /wBpIU57DKSXrS+vLZxot+BP4TGjDqpOWHUGczzYBYuqpkC/XLMaLbr+nFbhMTG0 MydXZ4yIfcJPwud+skTTbFh8Jq63CUPmSS8CgmXPG6CGRVlECV8= =dp0K -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
Re: [Hpr] Series Idea
That's a very good point. If a movie is available from a public domain source then it's reasonable to request that the host identifies that source. Otherwise it is simply a movie recommendation (or possibly the opposite) and it is up to the HPR listener to decide how, and from where, to obtain a copy. No impact on HPR at all. On that basis I will certainly submit a review. Perhaps your idea could be expanded to include books or even music as well. Nige ___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
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On 8/25/19, Nigel Verity wrote: > How strictly do you feel the term "free" should be interpreted? I'm sure > most of us know how to get hold of movies for free as in beer, even if they > are not necessarily 100% legitimate in terms of all the copyright > legalities. That's a good question. I guess I mean both free as in beer, and free as in freedom. Either Public Domain, or some sort of free license. Archive.org is a good source for content like this, but it's not the only one. Since HPR won't be hosting or distributing the films, I don't believe we're looking at any issues concerning copyright. -- http://www.cavalcadeaudio.com/ ___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
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Hi Lostnbronx How strictly do you feel the term "free" should be interpreted? I'm sure most of us know how to get hold of movies for free as in beer, even if they are not necessarily 100% legitimate in terms of all the copyright legalities. Remember these vary from country to country, so an HPR person in country x may be able to obtain and review a specific movie for zero cost without breaking any local laws, while another HPR contributor in country y may be "pushing the boundaries". My favourite movie is one which I'd bet few, if any, HPR people will ever had heard of. I'd love to review it, and encourage people to watch it, but I'm pretty sure it has a few years to run before it becomes public domain. Nige (aka Beeza). From: Hpr on behalf of lostnbronx Sent: 25 August 2019 18:13 To: hpr Subject: Re: [Hpr] Series Idea On 8/25/19, Jeroen Baten wrote: > Sounds like fun. Create a review panel, record the review. Let's do a > tryout. > > Regards, > Jeroen Baten I think there was a film review series on HPR a while back that was a group chat thing. That's a real hassle to edit (at least, I find it to be). I'm more interested in something that's just run & gun, where I'll record the show when I'm driving around in the car. It makes the editing simple, and if it's not simple, I'm not likely to keep doing it. This would not, in any way, preclude others from doing reviews for the series in whatever ways they'd like. For myself, simple and easy means I can maintain it over time. -- https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cavalcadeaudio.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C4480dd271017494e932708d7297fa95a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637023500585746018sdata=iBbcQ%2BM%2BbFGYC%2BUuJWTmwvEd7NivL0858NdOI3KtnYY%3Dreserved=0 ___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhackerpublicradio.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fhpr_hackerpublicradio.orgdata=02%7C01%7C%7C4480dd271017494e932708d7297fa95a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637023500585746018sdata=5EtUXeKjaJhAjKdOcexRjWy0phd0HksX2zrKzv14dvY%3Dreserved=0 ___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
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On 8/25/19, Jeroen Baten wrote: > Sounds like fun. Create a review panel, record the review. Let's do a > tryout. > > Regards, > Jeroen Baten I think there was a film review series on HPR a while back that was a group chat thing. That's a real hassle to edit (at least, I find it to be). I'm more interested in something that's just run & gun, where I'll record the show when I'm driving around in the car. It makes the editing simple, and if it's not simple, I'm not likely to keep doing it. This would not, in any way, preclude others from doing reviews for the series in whatever ways they'd like. For myself, simple and easy means I can maintain it over time. -- http://www.cavalcadeaudio.com/ ___ Hpr mailing list Hpr@hackerpublicradio.org http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
