Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit
Thanks Steve This was a machine that could not keep up with the times (perhaps), not like the open systems we see today. Love to see one and give it a big hug and lots of kisses ! Thanks Best Regards. Umamaheshwar Iyer | Project Manager | Tech Mahindra Hinjwadi, Pune - 411 004, INDIA Ph. Office: +91 20 4225 0801 | Cell: +91 97666 44472 Email: ui0037...@techmahindra.com www.techmahindra.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Umamaheshwar Iyer Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit I started mine on a WANG-VS which was user friendly. After the demise of this wonderful machine, I got a chance working on the Mainframe, which was quite tough when working from a user friendly system to a non-user friendly system. Almost 25 Years now! Any idea if WANG is still lurking within the computing world? SNIPPAGE Dr. Wang is no longer with us. And the company, WANG, was taken over by another company and they basically dropped the hardware. Some years ago I was bidding on migrating WANG/VS based entities to z/OS. I understand that there are still a few holdouts in the Government arena. Regards, Steve Thompson -- Opinions expressed by this poster may not reflect those of poster's employer -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Disclaimer: This message and the information contained herein is proprietary and confidential and subject to the Tech Mahindra policy statement, you may review the policy at a href=http://www.techmahindra.com/Disclaimer.html;http://www.techmahindra.com/Disclaimer.html/a externally and a href=http://tim.techmahindra.com/Disclaimer.html;http://tim.techmahindra.com/Disclaimer.html/a internally within Tech Mahindra. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit
I started mine on a WANG-VS which was user friendly. After the demise of this wonderful machine, I got a chance working on the Mainframe, which was quite tough when working from a user friendly system to a non-user friendly system. Almost 25 Years now! Any idea if WANG is still lurking within the computing world? Thanks Best Regards. Umamaheshwar Iyer | Project Manager | Tech Mahindra Hinjwadi, Pune - 411 004, INDIA Ph. Office: +91 20 4225 0801 | Cell: +91 97666 44472 Email: ui0037...@techmahindra.com www.techmahindra.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit snip--- Man I am overwhelmed by all this experience. Its a good thing. Yes, I want to retire and lay in the rays But my variable is money based on this nutty economy. ---unsnip-- Know the feeling. I was forced into retirement. Lost my job in 2004, due to bad decisions on the part of senior management. After a year of looking and not finding, I sat down with the fincial types and we pushed pencils. Decided I could do it, so I retired. Done a couple of consulting gigs since, but nothing serious. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Disclaimer: This message and the information contained herein is proprietary and confidential and subject to the Tech Mahindra policy statement, you may review the policy at a href=http://www.techmahindra.com/Disclaimer.html;http://www.techmahindra.com/Disclaimer.html/a externally and a href=http://tim.techmahindra.com/Disclaimer.html;http://tim.techmahindra.com/Disclaimer.html/a internally within Tech Mahindra. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Umamaheshwar Iyer Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit I started mine on a WANG-VS which was user friendly. After the demise of this wonderful machine, I got a chance working on the Mainframe, which was quite tough when working from a user friendly system to a non-user friendly system. Almost 25 Years now! Any idea if WANG is still lurking within the computing world? SNIPPAGE Dr. Wang is no longer with us. And the company, WANG, was taken over by another company and they basically dropped the hardware. Some years ago I was bidding on migrating WANG/VS based entities to z/OS. I understand that there are still a few holdouts in the Government arena. Regards, Steve Thompson -- Opinions expressed by this poster may not reflect those of poster's employer -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit
Umamaheshwar Iyer pisze: I started mine on a WANG-VS which was user friendly. After the demise of this wonderful machine, I got a chance working on the Mainframe, which was quite tough when working from a user friendly system to a non-user friendly system. Almost 25 Years now! Any idea if WANG is still lurking within the computing world? In simple words no. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Laboratories -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 118.763.528 zotych. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchway XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchway XVI NWZ z dnia 27 padziernika 2008r., moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym BRE Banku SA bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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ui0037...@techmahindra.com (Umamaheshwar Iyer) writes: I started mine on a WANG-VS which was user friendly. After the demise of this wonderful machine, I got a chance working on the Mainframe, which was quite tough when working from a user friendly system to a non-user friendly system. Almost 25 Years now! WANG did period with rebranded rs/6000 (one of the early cases of taking rs/6000 and rebranding ... some people from austin actually left the company and joined WANG) ... mentioned in wang wiki page (june, 1991) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Laboratories for some security related, wang's computer system receives B3 security rating http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_1995_Oct_5/ai_17531523/ for slight other drift, recent post mentioning getting blamed for computer conferencing on the internal network in the late 70s and early 80s (from early 360 software thread in a.f.c) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009n.html#9 -- 40+yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit
Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote in message news:45d79eacefba9b428e3d400e924d36b902820...@iwdubcormsg007.sci.local ... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Umamaheshwar Iyer Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 7:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit I started mine on a WANG-VS which was user friendly. After the demise of this wonderful machine, I got a chance working on the Mainframe, which was quite tough when working from a user friendly system to a non-user friendly system. Almost 25 Years now! Any idea if WANG is still lurking within the computing world? SNIPPAGE Dr. Wang is no longer with us. And the company, WANG, was taken over by another company and they basically dropped the hardware. Some years ago I was bidding on migrating WANG/VS based entities to z/OS. I understand that there are still a few holdouts in the Government arena. Regards, Steve Thompson We still have a couple of them running. Or should I keep this quiet? It feels like I went to IBM courses in the early 80's and the teacher asked us all what systems we had running. When I said we had 2 360/65's runnning, everybody turned their heads to see who was saying this. Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit
I think the reason WANG went out of business was that their clients couldn't stop snickering... On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:43:41 +0200, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: In simple words no. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Laboratories -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland Umamaheshwar Iyer pisze: I started mine on a WANG-VS which was user friendly. After the demise of this wonderful machine, I got a chance working on the Mainframe, which was quite tough when working from a user friendly system to a non-user friendly system. Almost 25 Years now! Any idea if WANG is still lurking within the computing world? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit
The Wang VS machine was a great machine for system development. I ran circles around an IBM development group on the Wang VS at Merrill Lynch. Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:49:22 -0500 From: docfarmer9...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu I think the reason WANG went out of business was that their clients couldn't stop snickering... On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:43:41 +0200, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: In simple words no. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Laboratories -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland Umamaheshwar Iyer pisze: I started mine on a WANG-VS which was user friendly. After the demise of this wonderful machine, I got a chance working on the Mainframe, which was quite tough when working from a user friendly system to a non-user friendly system. Almost 25 Years now! Any idea if WANG is still lurking within the computing world? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson, Steve) writes: Dr. Wang is no longer with us. And the company, WANG, was taken over by another company and they basically dropped the hardware. Some years ago I was bidding on migrating WANG/VS based entities to z/OS. I understand that there are still a few holdouts in the Government arena. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009n.html#10 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit there aren't a lot of stuff that had gotten B3 evaluation ... following claims that wang was the only one ... http://www.dynamoo.com/orange/summary.htm in the transition from orange book to common criteria, i had started doing merged security taxonomy glossary http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/index.html#glosnote and some from common criteria was criticizing me for having both orange book and common criteria definitions in the same glossary. i countered with common criteria was to have protection profiles for specific environments that weren't otherwise capable of getting reasonable orange book certification. this is recent post referencing getting EAL4+ evaluation for a semi-custom chip http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009n.html#7 my complaint was that some others, using similar flavor of the chip, being able to get a higher evaluation. they were able to use smart card protection profile ... which has majority of the stuff about being able to load applications on the chip (doesn't actually evaluate what gets loaded to make the chip useful ... just evaluates the chip and the loading processes ... not what is loaded). my semi-custom chip had whole bunch of the applications in silicon ... including crypto. since it was part of the silicon chip ... it had to be evaluated as part of the basic chip (the other way avoided having to evaluate a useful deployed chip with actual application). the problem was that there wasn't profile for the crypto for higher level evaluation. I would still claim that my base EAL4+ chip was actually more secure chip than those with higher evaluations ... since I had done with the applications and they evaluated w/o actual applications. not long ago there was presentation on 65 system EAL evaluations ... that claimed 63 had undisclosed/unpublished deviations (i.e. they had unpublished changes to the protection profile being used). In theory, the purpose behind all this is to have apple-to-apple (trusted operation) comparison ... but with majority having various undisclosed deviations ... it is hard to see how they aren't apple-to-oranges. It turns out I was involved in doing some amount of trusted computing stuff as undergraduate in the 60s ... even if I didn't know it was called that at the time ... and I didn't learn about these guys until much later http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/list-archive/0409/8362.shtml -- 40+yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit
In 152801ca2b15$d0622140$712663...@co.uk, on 09/01/2009 at 11:06 AM, Doc Farmer docfarmer9...@yahoo.co.uk said: Man, do I feel OLD!!! Old? My first computer[1] used a drum for main storage and vacuum tubes for logic; there are people on this list who go back further than me. [1] It was an IBM 650; nostalgia is not an option. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit
33 years ago, I was a student at Algonquin College. When I had spare time in my schedule, to help in obtaining beer, I worked in the RJE room. If my shift was the first one in the morning, I had to do the old bootstrap routine. The mainframe at the time was a Digital DEC-10. The RJE room processsed good old punch cards. I still have some gently used ones. Once I saw a core dump of the DEC-10. Worked on a IBM-360 loading paper and tape drives. Take my advice. I'm not using it. :-) TImOTHY Hillock -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Graeme Gibson Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 1:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit Oh Temptation! fought you long 'n hard, armed with but a fragile shard, ..of modesty. March 1966, IBM Service Bureau, employed to operate unit record 1401. Self-taught 1401 machine language (in the graveyard hours) in which I wrote lots of programs and I'd never heard of Autocoder until I'd moved on to s/360; assembler, Cobol, Fortran PL/1. Fired (by then I was in CE (FE)) by IBM in '76, went contracting, starting a software business in '80. I've managed to keep doing everything the wrong way :-) and being paid for it right up to the present day. We (have a small loyal staff) manage to laugh at ourselves just about every day so life isn't too bad. Been spreading mainframe ways to the little boxes for a few years now. For me retirement means getting new rubber for the car. Take care, Graeme At 05:00 AM 2/09/2009, you wrote: On 1 Sep 2009 10:04:14 -0700, enrique.mont...@esc-gps.com (Enrique Montero) wrote: my first PC was an Atari 800XL, with a word processor, modem, 5 1/4 diskette, and casette. It was great to program with Basic and assembler. I wanted to study Petroleum Engineer, but my brother bought this pc, so i started to study computers. Not to mention a decent macro-assembler, forth, Action!I believe Logo was also available, but I didn't have it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit
On 1 Sep 2009 22:25:11 -0700, gra...@ase.com.au (Graeme Gibson) wrote: March 1966, IBM Service Bureau, employed to operate unit record 1401. Self-taught 1401 machine language (in the graveyard hours) in which I wrote lots of programs and I'd never heard of Autocoder until I'd moved on to s/360; assembler, Cobol, Fortran PL/1. Fired (by then I was in CE (FE)) by IBM in '76, went contracting, starting a software business in '80. I've managed to keep doing everything the wrong way :-) and being paid for it right up to the present day. We (have a small loyal staff) manage to laugh at ourselves just about every day so life isn't too bad. Been spreading mainframe ways to the little boxes for a few years now. For me retirement means getting new rubber for the car. Sounds good.For me retirement means having a pension to live on - and then using money from work for my toys. (Toys can mean vacation or whatever).The variable here is health. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit
Man I am overwhelmed by all this experience. Its a good thing. Yes, I want to retire and lay in the rays But my variable is money based on this nutty economy. Scott J Ford From: Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 9:09:40 PM Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit Writing assemble in 16k? Wow. The 2nd job I had, our 360/20 had 4k. Of course, no one wrote any assembler for it. We used some report writing programs, a card sort program, and a few other utility programs. Then, we upgraded the 360/20 to 8K, and made it into a JES2 remote. Of course, our 360/20 was just a companion computer to the 2 big machines, our 1410/1401 machines. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:38 PM Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit I remember a CE ( my dad was a Unisys CE ) used his feet to shove a stuck 2319 on a DOS/VS back in place. I also remember writing Assembler on a 360/20 using 16k ..man Scott J Ford -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit
---snip-- The 360/20's best language was RPG. Fist real computer I ever saw, with a 2415, a 1403 of some kind I believe, and the MFCM, where the last 2 characters stood for card muncher. Use your imagination for the first two characters. :-) My dad worked on it and before that, the requisite card machines. ---unsnip We called ours Mother Fletcher's Card Mulcher :-) Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Who was mother Fletcher...been called a MF'er before, not sure if this is the same context. :-) BTW, my first computer was a VIC 20, 16K of ram and only a tape drive...or I should say cassette. Took me 12 years to get to the big iron. ---snip-- The 360/20's best language was RPG. Fist real computer I ever saw, with a 2415, a 1403 of some kind I believe, and the MFCM, where the last 2 characters stood for card muncher. Use your imagination for the first two characters. :-) My dad worked on it and before that, the requisite card machines. ---unsnip We called ours Mother Fletcher's Card Mulcher :-) Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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snip--- Man I am overwhelmed by all this experience. Its a good thing. Yes, I want to retire and lay in the rays But my variable is money based on this nutty economy. ---unsnip-- Know the feeling. I was forced into retirement. Lost my job in 2004, due to bad decisions on the part of senior management. After a year of looking and not finding, I sat down with the fincial types and we pushed pencils. Decided I could do it, so I retired. Done a couple of consulting gigs since, but nothing serious. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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The IBM 1620 was also my first hands-on computer. I was a college student at the time in a co-op program. My co-op job was with DuPont. One quarter when I returned to work with the design engineers the company had just gotten rid of the old 1410 and installed a 360/30 for the business side of the house and a 1620 in an open shop for the engineers. It was considered a scientific/fortran machine, but it was called the CADET for Can't Add and Doesn't Even Try. It didn't have any dedicated addition registers, but did all it's calculations via table lookup using incore tables. Tom Kelman Enterprise Capacity Planner Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 3:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit I started in 1969 on a 360/44, with a 1620/20 in the background. Never looked back . :-) Also plugged boards for the infamous 407, 'cuz the 1620 had only card reader and card punch and console. Rick --- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html * If you wish to communicate securely with Commerce Bank and its affiliates, you must log into your account under Online Services at http://www.commercebank.com or use the Commerce Bank Secure Email Message Center at https://securemail.commercebank.com NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system. * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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The IBM 1620 was the computer my high school used for the math elective I took in the spring of 1971. First day of class, I had the dubious honor of toggling in a bootstrap program. Five and a half years later (June 23, 1976), I logged onto my first virtual machine on an Amdahl 470/V6. I haven't turned back. /Tom Kern /301-903-2211 (Office) /301-905-6427 (Mobile) On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:52:18 -0500, Kelman, Tom thomas.kel...@commercebank.com wrote: The IBM 1620 was also my first hands-on computer. I was a college student at the time in a co-op program. My co-op job was with DuPont. One quarter when I returned to work with the design engineers the company had just gotten rid of the old 1410 and installed a 360/30 for the business side of the house and a 1620 in an open shop for the engineers. It was considered a scientific/fortran machine, but it was called the CADET for Can't Add and Doesn't Even Try. It didn't have any dedicated addition registers, but did all it's calculations via table lookup using incore tables. Tom Kelman Enterprise Capacity Planner Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit
2009/9/1 Doc Farmer docfarmer9...@yahoo.co.uk Folks, Today marks when I started my first job in IT. Well, my first PAYING job - I built my first PC for a guy when I was 15, but I'm talking the BIG IRON. So you built your first PC even more than 33 years ago, that's earlier than 1976? What did you build back then? I started as a keypunch operator on night-shift (while going to high school during the day for my senior year), I actually ENJOYED reading IBM manuals (still do - doctors have yet to find a cure), As I work as an Information Developer in IBM, I liked this line :) (I'm only with them for a year. Disclaimer - only speaking for myself, etc). -- Yours, Mikhail Ramendik -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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What number Altair Kit did you get? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mikhail Ramendik Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit 2009/9/1 Doc Farmer docfarmer9...@yahoo.co.uk Folks, Today marks when I started my first job in IT. Well, my first PAYING job - I built my first PC for a guy when I was 15, but I'm talking the BIG IRON. So you built your first PC even more than 33 years ago, that's earlier than 1976? What did you build back then? I started as a keypunch operator on night-shift (while going to high school during the day for my senior year), I actually ENJOYED reading IBM manuals (still do - doctors have yet to find a cure), As I work as an Information Developer in IBM, I liked this line :) (I'm only with them for a year. Disclaimer - only speaking for myself, etc). -- Yours, Mikhail Ramendik -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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It was a Sol 20 (with a massive 24K of memory, no monitor, no HD (just a jack to an audio cassette player)) - I put it together around 1974/75, if my feeble memory serves... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hardee, Charles H Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit What number Altair Kit did you get? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mikhail Ramendik Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit 2009/9/1 Doc Farmer docfarmer9...@yahoo.co.uk Folks, Today marks when I started my first job in IT. Well, my first PAYING job - I built my first PC for a guy when I was 15, but I'm talking the BIG IRON. So you built your first PC even more than 33 years ago, that's earlier than 1976? What did you build back then? I started as a keypunch operator on night-shift (while going to high school during the day for my senior year), I actually ENJOYED reading IBM manuals (still do - doctors have yet to find a cure), As I work as an Information Developer in IBM, I liked this line :) (I'm only with them for a year. Disclaimer - only speaking for myself, etc). -- Yours, Mikhail Ramendik -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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not 30 but 20 years in IT. my first PC was an Atari 800XL, with a word processor, modem, 5 1/4 diskette, and casette. It was great to program with Basic and assembler. I wanted to study Petroleum Engineer, but my brother bought this pc, so i started to study computers. El mar, 01-09-2009 a las 12:51 -0400, Doc Farmer escribió: It was a Sol 20 (with a massive 24K of memory, no monitor, no HD (just a jack to an audio cassette player)) - I put it together around 1974/75, if my feeble memory serves... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hardee, Charles H Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit What number Altair Kit did you get? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mikhail Ramendik Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit 2009/9/1 Doc Farmer docfarmer9...@yahoo.co.uk Folks, Today marks when I started my first job in IT. Well, my first PAYING job - I built my first PC for a guy when I was 15, but I'm talking the BIG IRON. So you built your first PC even more than 33 years ago, that's earlier than 1976? What did you build back then? I started as a keypunch operator on night-shift (while going to high school during the day for my senior year), I actually ENJOYED reading IBM manuals (still do - doctors have yet to find a cure), As I work as an Information Developer in IBM, I liked this line :) (I'm only with them for a year. Disclaimer - only speaking for myself, etc). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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docfarmer9...@yahoo.co.uk (Doc Farmer) writes: Today marks when I started my first job in IT. Well, my first PAYING job - I built my first PC for a guy when I was 15, but I'm talking the BIG IRON. I started as a keypunch operator on night-shift (while going to high school during the day for my senior year), I actually ENJOYED reading IBM manuals (still do - doctors have yet to find a cure), and have spent the next third of a century either running, auditing or securing the Armonk Giants. i got a student programming job in '66 ... was re-implementing 1401 MPIO (unit record-tape) front-end for 709 ... on 360/30. possibly just a learning exercise starting to have people getting familiar with 360 and getting ready for the 360/67 that was coming in (to replace the 709/1401 combo). i got to design my own monitor, interrupt handlers, device drivers, resource control, etc. next year ... i got responsibility for os/360 system maintenance support. I started playing with output stage1 sysgen ... completely reoganizing stage2 deck so as to carefully place files and PDS members for optimized arm seek operation. 360/67 ran os/360 (as 360/65 w/o DAT or virtual memory) nearly all the time ... since tss/360 wasn't coming along very well. last week jan '68, three people from science center came out to install (virtual machine) cp67 ... univ was 2nd (or 3rd depending on how lincoln labs is counted) install (after science center). ... misc. past posts mentioning science center http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech I then got to also play with all the cp67 source ... rewritting large sections ... old post with part of presentation at fall '68 SHARE meeting describing some amount of cp67 kernel rewrite as well as optimized MFT/14 operation (both stand-alone and in virtual machine): http://www.garlic.com/94.html#18 CP/67 OS MFT14 with careful placement for optimized disk arm ... and some other stuff ... I had gotten nearly three times thruput improvement for typical univ. student job workload (mft with hasp ... not virtual machine). recent discussion of other related stuff in comp.arch thread: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#16 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#26 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#31 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#32 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#36 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009m.html#37 a few more months will mark 40yrs since I got home online access (dialup 2741 terminal) -- 40+yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I resisted the urge to reply to this when the thread started 4 hours ago, but at the risk of being reprimanded, I'll reply. I remember my first job working for a company with a 360/40 computer in 1969. I was an operator for 2 years on 3rd shift. Sometimes I got done at 5 or 6 in the morning, so I would play with all the neat switches and stuff on the front panel. A couple of times, the machine wouldn't IPL, at least not the first time. Then, I'd putz with the switches, and try different things, and finally get the machine IPL'd. Back then, DOS IPL'd in just a few seconds. I typed in the date and time, and it was ready to go. I remember the machine was quite touchy. I turned it off any time between 9 and 12 noon on Saturday when I went home for the weekend. I remember coming in for some special processing on Sunday, and it wouldn't IPL. When IBM came in, they opened one or two of the panels, and then it IPL'd fine. The CE said he didn't do anything but open the gate. I remember a 1403 control unit where the CE pounded on it with a big hard rubber mallet, and then it started working again. Very interesting stuff back then. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com i got a student programming job in '66 ... was re-implementing 1401 MPIO (unit record-tape) front-end for 709 ... on 360/30. possibly just a learning exercise starting to have people getting familiar with 360 and getting ready for the 360/67 that was coming in (to replace the 709/1401 combo). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I started out the same way. S360/40, S370/135 and evenually s3 Eric, I started out the same way. S360/40, S370/135 and evenually s370/158 one of my favorite machines runing OS/VS2/HASP... Scott J Ford From: Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 2:14:13 PM Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit I resisted the urge to reply to this when the thread started 4 hours ago, but at the risk of being reprimanded, I'll reply. I remember my first job working for a company with a 360/40 computer in 1969. I was an operator for 2 years on 3rd shift. Sometimes I got done at 5 or 6 in the morning, so I would play with all the neat switches and stuff on the front panel. A couple of times, the machine wouldn't IPL, at least not the first time. Then, I'd putz with the switches, and try different things, and finally get the machine IPL'd. Back then, DOS IPL'd in just a few seconds. I typed in the date and time, and it was ready to go. I remember the machine was quite touchy. I turned it off any time between 9 and 12 noon on Saturday when I went home for the weekend. I remember coming in for some special processing on Sunday, and it wouldn't IPL. When IBM came in, they opened one or two of the panels, and then it IPL'd fine. The CE said he didn't do anything but open the gate. I remember a 1403 control unit where the CE pounded on it with a big hard rubber mallet, and then it started working again. Very interesting stuff back then. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com i got a student programming job in '66 ... was re-implementing 1401 MPIO (unit record-tape) front-end for 709 ... on 360/30. possibly just a learning exercise starting to have people getting familiar with 360 and getting ready for the 360/67 that was coming in (to replace the 709/1401 combo). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 1 Sep 2009 10:04:14 -0700, enrique.mont...@esc-gps.com (Enrique Montero) wrote: my first PC was an Atari 800XL, with a word processor, modem, 5 1/4 diskette, and casette. It was great to program with Basic and assembler. I wanted to study Petroleum Engineer, but my brother bought this pc, so i started to study computers. Not to mention a decent macro-assembler, forth, Action!I believe Logo was also available, but I didn't have it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Actually, the rubber mallet on the 2821 was used to fix parity problems in the 1403 core matrix. Intermittent print checks was the symptom. BTW, a well place foot worked in lieu of a mallet. one of my first lessons as a CE.. Doug Eric Bielefeld wrote: snip I remember a 1403 control unit where the CE pounded on it with a big hard rubber mallet, and then it started working again. Very interesting stuff back then. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com i got a student programming job in '66 ... was re-implementing 1401 MPIO (unit record-tape) front-end for 709 ... on 360/30. possibly just a learning exercise starting to have people getting familiar with 360 and getting ready for the 360/67 that was coming in (to replace the 709/1401 combo). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I remember a 1403 control. unit where the CE pounded on it with a big hard rubber mallet, and then it started working again. Very interesting stuff back then. It's called 'percussive maintenance'. If it don't work, belt it. We had a few GANDALF terminals hooked up to a Honeywell Level 66, in first year university, that required that kind of care. But, things got so bad, the computer centre put up signs threatening to make students liable for damages and that treatment grounds for expulsion. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I remember helping Wong Hsiao-Yü build his model 1 abacus during the reign of Emperor Po-Tzo the second. Or was it Babbage and his model 1 Difference Engine? It must have been Babbage, since I also remember when he suddenly awoke from an opium dream and exclaimed MAINFRAME!. There. Now we're back on track. Bill Fairchild Software Developer Rocket Software 275 Grove Street · Newton, MA 02466-2272 · USA Tel: +1.617.614.4503 · Mobile: +1.508.341.1715 Email: bi...@mainstar.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Doug Fuerst Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 2:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit Actually, the rubber mallet on the 2821 was used to fix parity problems in the 1403 core matrix. Intermittent print checks was the symptom. BTW, a well place foot worked in lieu of a mallet. one of my first lessons as a CE.. Doug -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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1968 Autocoder and a 1401 lots of cards. I still have the keypunch an 026. George From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld [eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 2:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit I resisted the urge to reply to this when the thread started 4 hours ago, but at the risk of being reprimanded, I'll reply. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Difference Engine? Aye, you were looky! When I were but a lad, we only had four integers in existence, and there were six of us! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Fairchild Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 3:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit I remember helping Wong Hsiao-Yü build his model 1 abacus during the reign of Emperor Po-Tzo the second. Or was it Babbage and his model 1 Difference Engine? It must have been Babbage, since I also remember when he suddenly awoke from an opium dream and exclaimed MAINFRAME!. There. Now we're back on track. Bill Fairchild Software Developer Rocket Software 275 Grove Street · Newton, MA 02466-2272 · USA Tel: +1.617.614.4503 · Mobile: +1.508.341.1715 Email: bi...@mainstar.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Doug Fuerst Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 2:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit Actually, the rubber mallet on the 2821 was used to fix parity problems in the 1403 core matrix. Intermittent print checks was the symptom. BTW, a well place foot worked in lieu of a mallet. one of my first lessons as a CE.. Doug -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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That's how we used to fix printers as well... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 3:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit I remember a 1403 control. unit where the CE pounded on it with a big hard rubber mallet, and then it started working again. Very interesting stuff back then. It's called 'percussive maintenance'. If it don't work, belt it. We had a few GANDALF terminals hooked up to a Honeywell Level 66, in first year university, that required that kind of care. But, things got so bad, the computer centre put up signs threatening to make students liable for damages and that treatment grounds for expulsion. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I started in 1969 on a 360/44, with a 1620/20 in the background. Never looked back . :-) Also plugged boards for the infamous 407, 'cuz the 1620 had only card reader and card punch and console. Rick --- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I remember a CE ( my dad was a Unisys CE ) used his feet to shove a stuck 2319 on a DOS/VS back in place. I also remember writing Assembler on a 360/20 using 16k ..man Scott J Ford From: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 4:24:58 PM Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit I started in 1969 on a 360/44, with a 1620/20 in the background. Never looked back . :-) Also plugged boards for the infamous 407, 'cuz the 1620 had only card reader and card punch and console. Rick --- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Writing assemble in 16k? Wow. The 2nd job I had, our 360/20 had 4k. Of course, no one wrote any assembler for it. We used some report writing programs, a card sort program, and a few other utility programs. Then, we upgraded the 360/20 to 8K, and made it into a JES2 remote. Of course, our 360/20 was just a companion computer to the 2 big machines, our 1410/1401 machines. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:38 PM Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit I remember a CE ( my dad was a Unisys CE ) used his feet to shove a stuck 2319 on a DOS/VS back in place. I also remember writing Assembler on a 360/20 using 16k ..man Scott J Ford -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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The 360/20's best language was RPG. Fist real computer I ever saw, with a 2415, a 1403 of some kind I believe, and the MFCM, where the last 2 characters stood for card muncher. Use your imagination for the first two characters. :-) My dad worked on it and before that, the requisite card machines. Doug Eric Bielefeld wrote: Writing assemble in 16k? Wow. The 2nd job I had, our 360/20 had 4k. Of course, no one wrote any assembler for it. We used some report writing programs, a card sort program, and a few other utility programs. Then, we upgraded the 360/20 to 8K, and made it into a JES2 remote. Of course, our 360/20 was just a companion computer to the 2 big machines, our 1410/1401 machines. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:38 PM Subject: Re: 33 Years In IT/Security/Audit I remember a CE ( my dad was a Unisys CE ) used his feet to shove a stuck 2319 on a DOS/VS back in place. I also remember writing Assembler on a 360/20 using 16k ..man Scott J Ford -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Oh Temptation! fought you long 'n hard, armed with but a fragile shard, ..of modesty. March 1966, IBM Service Bureau, employed to operate unit record 1401. Self-taught 1401 machine language (in the graveyard hours) in which I wrote lots of programs and I'd never heard of Autocoder until I'd moved on to s/360; assembler, Cobol, Fortran PL/1. Fired (by then I was in CE (FE)) by IBM in '76, went contracting, starting a software business in '80. I've managed to keep doing everything the wrong way :-) and being paid for it right up to the present day. We (have a small loyal staff) manage to laugh at ourselves just about every day so life isn't too bad. Been spreading mainframe ways to the little boxes for a few years now. For me retirement means getting new rubber for the car. Take care, Graeme At 05:00 AM 2/09/2009, you wrote: On 1 Sep 2009 10:04:14 -0700, enrique.mont...@esc-gps.com (Enrique Montero) wrote: my first PC was an Atari 800XL, with a word processor, modem, 5 1/4 diskette, and casette. It was great to program with Basic and assembler. I wanted to study Petroleum Engineer, but my brother bought this pc, so i started to study computers. Not to mention a decent macro-assembler, forth, Action!I believe Logo was also available, but I didn't have it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
