Upgrading the Processor - Keep in Mind
Just a few comments about some ideas I used to move from the z900s to z9BC. I too face a decision to outsource some work and was asked why I wanted to invest in newer technology when one machine potentially was going away in a year or two. There were many reasons except for how does one respond to accumulating excess capacity as things go away. The response was as the workload moves away, then I can dynamically downgrade the machine to less power; ipso-facto reducing software costs. In fact, I proposed to submit the request a year in advance of the move off date for a big workload; thus I could start downgrading ISV software, give procurement a chance to do their thing and when the workload moved off on schedule, then the savings would be immediate. Besides others could already start spending that savings and earmark the money for other efforts. Needless to say, I got the z9BC's, was told to hold off on placing the order for downgrades until it is closer to the time for rehosting, and we will see what happens over the coming months. In the end, reality will always prevail. As I said, I hyped to the financial folks the downgrade capability of the z9BC and all the money it can save. They love it. Jim -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Frank Sabo writes: I currently have an IBM7060 H75 processor running OS 390 2.10. We are currently going into our sixth year of a two year phase out of the mainframe. As you mentioned, that system has roughly 209 MIPS. It's a G5 class processor. Physically it is pretty much equivalent to a 9672-R26 model, if you're curious. (I don't think this model had internal storage, so that's not relevant here as far as I know.) Yes, your employer can do much better, especially if they can adopt a very rational, business-centric view. In other words, it may be a good time to question dated assumptions and preconceived notions about what you can do with a 2007 mainframe. Everything has changed in 6 years. Some ideas follow below. Since everything is non supported management is looking into upgrading the processor to a 2096 R07 (F02) box and operating system to the latest ZOS version, since it now looks like it would be another two to three years before can be converted off. If I can come up with a list of jufitications for upgrading the processor and operating system. The system then might be taken off the endangered species list. The 2096-F02 you are considering is rated at approximately 170 MIPS. Now, I don't know what software licensing you have or what products you have, but today you would be paying full capacity software licensing at 209 MIPS and the equivalent of about 37 MSUs, probably. At full capacity a 2096-F02 is 24 MSUs, and if you start sending in your SCRT reports and softcapping your LPARs you could end up with much less than that. [Oddly enough, if management claims they're moving work off the mainframe in a couple or three years, that claim reinforces the benefits of VWLC licensing: the software charges decline (somewhat) along with the workload shift. (Of course, the target platform is probably more expensive to buy, own, and operate. If they're fixated on software license prices for some reason rather than how much work actually gets done, then VWLC is a good thing.)] If you can get the mainframe-to-mainframe migration done within 90 days, you can start paying the new software rate from the first day forward. You'll also get one year of warranty (i.e. no charge for hardware maintenance), so you avoid 12 months of that. Once you do start paying hardware maintenance again it might be a lower rate. There are various IBM promotions for this sort of migration and for DS6000 storage. Ask. You'll avoid a hugely expensive migration to another platform. (Did anybody bother to fully cost that? :-)) 1. SOX hardware and software compliance. Yes indeed. Don't forget crypto support: it's quite excellent on the z9, so you can get stronger network security if you do have to make a network hop for something. You also have potential benefits with zIIP (certain DB2 workloads and increasingly other workloads) and zAAP (Java and increasingly other workloads). 2. All software will be vendor supported. And this support actually is support. How refreshing. :-) 3. Installation of ZVM which would allow us to run LINUX on the box. Yes, absolutely. Ask about any promotions if you do this on the same purchase order. 4. All new applications to be considered to on the platform. And this is the key. What new workload would fit? If you can find even a handful of Oracle licenses to put on a Linux processor, for example, you're making more money and improving service. One thing the bosses really need to understand is that the 171st MIPS is much, much, much less expensive than the first. This is a scale platform. So how much does it cost to, for example, add a little bit of WebSphere Application Server in a small zNALC z/OS LPAR to a mainframe? Answer: it's less to acquire than any other system, and less to operate. Another factor that seems to be driving many businesses to expand their mainframes (vertically): data center space. If your data center is full (physically, electrically, and/or cooling-wise), or getting near full, building a new data center is quite expensive. I'm not sure how your employer is doing, but a walk through the data center(s) should be instructive. Re: Making the migration itself, there are various ways to do it. One way is to get your current system up to z/OS 1.4, then bring everything over using z/OS 1.4 Bimodal on the z9 (to get the technology dividend) as fast as you can, then flip the switch to 64-bit as fast as you can (to get VWLC), then go to z/OS 1.7, then normal currency cadence to z/OS 1.9 (when available) and beyond. The faster you can get onto the z9 the better the immediate financial picture, I suspect. Concurrent with the 1.7 upgrade you can get your middleware (DB2, MQ, IMS, CICS, etc.) all current. (DB2 9, CICS 3.2, etc. all run on 1.7.) This is one recipe, but you'll want to plot this out to figure out your own best approach. Hope that gets you started. Sounds like a really good idea, and it should be a strong business case, especially if you can turn the corner on data
Upgrading the processor
Hello everyone, I have a question to ask of the group. I currently have an IBM7060 H75 processor running OS 390 2.10. We are currently going into our sixth year of a two year phase out of the mainframe. Since everything is non supported management is looking into upgrading the processor to a 2096 R07 (F02) box and operating system to the latest ZOS version, since it now looks like it would be another two to three years before can be converted off. If I can come up with a list of jufitications for upgrading the processor and operating system. The system then might be taken off the endangered species list. 1. SOX hardware and software compliance. 2. All software will be vendor supported. 3. Installation of ZVM which would allow us to run LINUX on the box. 4. All new applications to be considered to on the platform. Thanks for any information that I can get. Frank W Sabo Jr SR. Systems Administrator Phone: 412 967-3764 Fax:412 967-6120 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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There may be some savings on z/OS software costs with the new hardware as well. Do you require a full blown z/OS? If you can run z/OS.e, for instance (it's been renamed recently and I don't recall the new name), the savings could be quite significant. Sabo, Frank wrote: Hello everyone, I have a question to ask of the group. I currently have an IBM7060 H75 processor running OS 390 2.10. We are currently going into our sixth year of a two year phase out of the mainframe. Since everything is non supported management is looking into upgrading the processor to a 2096 R07 (F02) box and operating system to the latest ZOS version, since it now looks like it would be another two to three years before can be converted off. If I can come up with a list of jufitications for upgrading the processor and operating system. The system then might be taken off the endangered species list. 1. SOX hardware and software compliance. 2. All software will be vendor supported. 3. Installation of ZVM which would allow us to run LINUX on the box. 4. All new applications to be considered to on the platform. Thanks for any information that I can get. Frank W Sabo Jr SR. Systems Administrator Phone: 412 967-3764 Fax:412 967-6120 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2008 - Chattanooga - April 18-22, 2008 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Sabo, Frank I currently have an IBM7060 H75 processor running OS 390 2.10. We are currently going into our sixth year of a two year phase out of the mainframe. Sounds like a possible future story for Reboot Hill. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Rich Smrcina wrote: There may be some savings on z/OS software costs with the new hardware as well. Do you require a full blown z/OS? If you can run z/OS.e, for instance (it's been renamed recently and I don't recall the new name), the savings could be quite significant. The new name of zOSe is NALC (New Application License Charge). I think that zOSe 1.8 is the last one. Sabo, Frank wrote: Hello everyone, I have a question to ask of the group. I currently have an IBM7060 H75 processor running OS 390 2.10. We are currently going into our sixth year of a two year phase out of the mainframe.Since everything is non supported management is looking into upgrading the processor to a 2096 R07 (F02) box and operating system to the latest ZOS version, since it now looks like it would be another two to three years before can be converted off. If I can come up with a list of jufitications for upgrading the processor and operating system. The system then might be taken off the endangered species list. 1.SOX hardware and software compliance. 2.All software will be vendor supported. 3.Installation of ZVM which would allow us to run LINUX on the box. 4.All new applications to be considered to on the platform. Thanks for any information that I can get. Frank W Sabo Jr SR. Systems Administrator Phone: 412 967-3764 Fax:412 967-6120 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mark Jacobs Technical Services Time Customer Service - Tampa, FL -- The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. -- Julius (Groucho) Henry Marx -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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OK, thanks for the update... Mark Jacobs wrote: Rich Smrcina wrote: There may be some savings on z/OS software costs with the new hardware as well. Do you require a full blown z/OS? If you can run z/OS.e, for instance (it's been renamed recently and I don't recall the new name), the savings could be quite significant. The new name of zOSe is NALC (New Application License Charge). I think that zOSe 1.8 is the last one. -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2008 - Chattanooga - April 18-22, 2008 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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And... I think your machine model is H70. Itschak -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrading the processor OK, thanks for the update... Mark Jacobs wrote: Rich Smrcina wrote: There may be some savings on z/OS software costs with the new hardware as well. Do you require a full blown z/OS? If you can run z/OS.e, for instance (it's been renamed recently and I don't recall the new name), the savings could be quite significant. The new name of zOSe is NALC (New Application License Charge). I think that zOSe 1.8 is the last one. -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2008 - Chattanooga - April 18-22, 2008 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html __ NOD32 2428 (20070730) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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No it is an H75 processor. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Itschak Mugzach Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrading the processor And... I think your machine model is H70. Itschak -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrading the processor OK, thanks for the update... Mark Jacobs wrote: Rich Smrcina wrote: There may be some savings on z/OS software costs with the new hardware as well. Do you require a full blown z/OS? If you can run z/OS.e, for instance (it's been renamed recently and I don't recall the new name), the savings could be quite significant. The new name of zOSe is NALC (New Application License Charge). I think that zOSe 1.8 is the last one. -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 rich.smrcina at vmassist.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2008 - Chattanooga - April 18-22, 2008 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html __ NOD32 2428 (20070730) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I used to work with an H50. The three models are: The Multiprise 3000 models H30, H50, and H70. Unless there is something new going on here? ;. Claude Richbourg Florida Department of Corrections Systems Programmer III 850-921-1383 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sabo, Frank Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrading the processor No it is an H75 processor. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sabo, Frank Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Upgrading the processor Hello everyone, I have a question to ask of the group.=20 I currently have an IBM7060 H75 processor running OS 390 2.10. We are currently going into our sixth year of a two year phase out of the mainframe. Since everything is non supported management is looking into upgrading the processor to a 2096 R07 (F02) box and operating system to the latest ZOS version, since it now looks like it would be another two to three years before can be converted off. If I can come up with a list of jufitications for upgrading the processor and operating system. The system then might be taken off the endangered species list. 1. SOX hardware and software compliance. 2. All software will be vendor supported. 3. Installation of ZVM which would allow us to run LINUX on the box. 4. All new applications to be considered to on the platform. Thanks for any information that I can get. SNIP Frank: Depending on how you are using the MP3000, you will have to obtain external DASD to go to the new box. There are no more data center in a box systems from IBM. With z/OS 1.8, you will be able to use an external time reference (NOT an ETR) and provide time services to your LAN (assuming a z/9 and I'm not up on model numbers these days, so a 2096 could be one). The z box you get will probably be more than the 60MIPs (roughly) that you have today. It should be able to run Unix System Services and provide services that other boxes do, but will be able to recover in a disaster faster. Having been in this type of environment, I made sure that for every DR drill the mainframe recovered in the allotted time (hey it was the cash box for the companies involved), while their other platforms were having this or that problem with getting connectivity to their SAN, getting the O/S loaded, getting the applications re-installed, etc. (gotta love that Registry from M/$). Something to think about. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richbourg, Claude Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrading the processor I used to work with an H50. The three models are: The Multiprise 3000 models H30, H50, and H70. Unless there is something new going on here? ;. Claude Richbourg Florida Department of Corrections Systems Programmer III 850-921-1383 SNIP Ever hear of an IFL? They were add-ons that came out AFTER the original H30, H50, and H70. Now what that did to the model number is beyond me, because I never worked with those, or had customers that wanted them. And I just realized in an earlier post I was having a typical Monday and was thinking of the entry system at about 60MIPS. I'm expecting an email from a former customer any moment... Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Steve, The machine that we are running on is a 7060 H75 with 210 MIPS. Frank W Sabo Jr SR. Systems Administrator Phone: 412 967-3764 Fax:412 967-6120 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrading the processor -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richbourg, Claude Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrading the processor I used to work with an H50. The three models are: The Multiprise 3000 models H30, H50, and H70. Unless there is something new going on here? ;. Claude Richbourg Florida Department of Corrections Systems Programmer III 850-921-1383 SNIP Ever hear of an IFL? They were add-ons that came out AFTER the original H30, H50, and H70. Now what that did to the model number is beyond me, because I never worked with those, or had customers that wanted them. And I just realized in an earlier post I was having a typical Monday and was thinking of the entry system at about 60MIPS. I'm expecting an email from a former customer any moment... Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sabo, Frank Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrading the processor Steve, The machine that we are running on is a 7060 H75 with 210 MIPS. SNIP Yeah, I know -- I was stuck on the H30 for some reason. Actually, I thought the H70 was ~230 MIPS (dual 120MIP engines) or have I been gone too long from the MP3000s? I just love Mondays. Gotta go get my next cup o'joe. Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Sorry, You're right. The mips chart was taken from phil's website. Model MIPS MSUs Group 7060-H30 63 GOLC 40* 7060-H50 127 GOLC 50* 7060-H55 See 7060-H50 7060-H70 209 GOLC 70* 7060-H75 See 7060-H70 Itschak -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sabo, Frank Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 3:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrading the processor Steve, The machine that we are running on is a 7060 H75 with 210 MIPS. Frank W Sabo Jr SR. Systems Administrator Phone: 412 967-3764 Fax:412 967-6120 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrading the processor -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richbourg, Claude Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 8:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrading the processor I used to work with an H50. The three models are: The Multiprise 3000 models H30, H50, and H70. Unless there is something new going on here? ;. Claude Richbourg Florida Department of Corrections Systems Programmer III 850-921-1383 SNIP Ever hear of an IFL? They were add-ons that came out AFTER the original H30, H50, and H70. Now what that did to the model number is beyond me, because I never worked with those, or had customers that wanted them. And I just realized in an earlier post I was having a typical Monday and was thinking of the entry system at about 60MIPS. I'm expecting an email from a former customer any moment... Later, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html __ NOD32 2429 (20070730) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Actually, for what it's worth, the H55 and H75 had nothing to do with IFLs or anything else. Andthey weren't MP3000 style machines either. Several years ago we upgraded from a 9672-R16 to an MP3000 7060-H50. Actually a lateral move as they were the same horsepower. Software and maintenance savings allowed me to buy the H50 new for less than buying the used R16 I had on the floor. Later I found out about the H55 and H75. The H55 was essentially a 9672-R16 rebranded and the H75 was a 9672-R26. At least that's what the IBM business partner told us - after it was too late to try to talk IBM into giving me GOLC pricing on my R16 and just call it a 7060-H55. Back to the original poster asking about how to justify the upgrade to a 2096 machine: I was able to do exactly the same thing switching from my 7060 (bought and paid for) to a 2096 by pointing out the maintenance and software savings. These two items alone allowed me to show mgmt a 18 month complete payback period with everything after that pure gravy. Don't forget to look at the sub-capacity pricing as well if you're not running the box flat out. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Itschak Mugzach Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 10:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrading the processor Sorry, You're right. The mips chart was taken from phil's website. Model MIPS MSUs Group 7060-H30 63 GOLC 40* 7060-H50 127 GOLC 50* 7060-H55 See 7060-H50 7060-H70 209 GOLC 70* 7060-H75 See 7060-H70 Itschak -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 07:18:01 -0500, Rich Smrcina wrote: There may be some savings on z/OS software costs with the new hardware as well. Do you require a full blown z/OS? If you can run z/OS.e, for instance (it's been renamed recently and I don't recall the new name), the savings could be quite significant. And you can run sub-capacity. Depending on how much of your machine capacity you use and how you manage your work load, this can save you significant money as well. Third party software will still be an issue. Negotiation skills are important there. Good Luck. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 09:31:22 -0400, Thompson, Steve wrote: With z/OS 1.8, you will be able to use an external time reference (NOT an ETR) and provide time services to your LAN (assuming a z/9 and I'm not up on model numbers these days, so a 2096 could be one). The 2096 is indeed a z9. Be careful about the ETR stuff. We just went through an exercise with IBM looking to dump our 9037-002. While IBM is quite happy pointing out you no longer need to purchase a $40K Timex to keep your machine synched with the rest of the planet, they aren't as quick to point out the firmware required to enable the ETR features is about $25K. At this point in time, it's about a 20 year payback to justify getting rid of the 9037. We'll revisit this the next time we do a machine upgrade. It's supposedly cheaper to order the box with the ETR firmware than to try to upgrade. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Upgrading the processor
Frank -- What are you doing for Disaster Recovery now? With current HW and SW you'll be able to provide for DR. With old applications you were planning to move off you may have problems getting zNALC pricing. zNALC requires non-legacy workloads or JAVA base applications. See IBM's US announcement letter 207-006 from 9Jan2007 and http://ibm.com/zseries/swprice/znalc.html for additional information. Evaluate your software pricing options. If sub-capacity Workload License Charges will save money, then each month without sub-capacity charges will cost you money. Good luck! Al -- Al Sherkow, I/S Management Strategies, Ltd. Consulting Expertise on Capacity Planning, Performance Tuning, WLC, LPARs, IRD and LCS Software Seminars on IBM SW Pricing, LPARs, and IRD Voice: +1 414 332-3062 Web: www.sherkow.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I've handled several system replacements from the MP3000 processors at various levels of OS/390 to Z/OS. We were always able to find a way to make it cost effective. Several of these have been universities and you know how difficult it is to justify laying out money there. The only real snag that I have ever run into is with the non-IBM software. IBM is frequently willing to play ball when the numbers aren't doable, but several of the non-IBM vendors seemed to be more willing to loose the client than reduce the cost, so ... they lost the client. In once case we were even able to justify a database change and the payback was only 16 months. It's difficult to tell you what needs to be done without more information on what you're running now (software-wise). If you would like to discuss it offline, please feel free to send me an email or call me. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
