Re: C macro processor - supply exteranl values - emulating CMake
On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 22:33:19 -0500, Ze'ev Atlas wrote: >Thank you Gil >You have confirmed what I suspected since I've seen the code. The developer >has introduced a non-standard code that is compatible only with GNU make. I >have already complained about the issue as introduction of non-standard code >would definitely hamper any port to a non 'make' environment. > We could discuss whether standards, like grammars, should be regarded as prescriptive or descriptive. >What I will probably do is, in my port scripts (I have a whole system to >automate the port, resolve dependencies, etc.), I will add some logic to >replace these values with known external values (from a config file), or spit >an error message when a new, yet unseed such value is introduced. Basically, >mimic the 'make' action in that regard. > That's what configure, not gmake, is supposed to do. Did you run configure? Configure tailors Makefile and one or more header flles to work in a multitude of environments, both standard and nonstandard. The gmake construct that caused me the most problem is VPATH. I simply used gmake which is available from Rocket Ported Tools, I believe. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
IBM copy services Split and replicate option
Hi Apology for the dummy query. After TPCR, this is is the first I am looking at IBM Copy services . Now we are in metro mirroring . Under IBM Copy services which option is that on which performs the breaking of replication and re-establishes the replication. I am going through each options session , storage , paths , console but I am not getting clue Is there anyone who is using IBM Copy services and can guide me a bit ? Peter -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: C macro processor - supply exteranl values - emulating CMake
Thank you Gil You have confirmed what I suspected since I've seen the code. The developer has introduced a non-standard code that is compatible only with GNU make. I have already complained about the issue as introduction of non-standard code would definitely hamper any port to a non 'make' environment. What I will probably do is, in my port scripts (I have a whole system to automate the port, resolve dependencies, etc.), I will add some logic to replace these values with known external values (from a config file), or spit an error message when a new, yet unseed such value is introduced. Basically, mimic the 'make' action in that regard. ZA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Z and cloud
Yes, we have the cloud before if was “popular”, it was called a Service Bureau, which did your work and charged appropriately. Now part of it is diy and your charged more. Scott On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 4:04 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > cloud = timesharing > > Someone else deploys the infrastructure, to you it's a black box. Less > control but also less manpower. Some legal issues. > > No, z/OS is not a cloud, but neither is AIX, *bsd, Linux, windows or > Solaris; it's the deployment that makes it a cloud or not a cloud. You can > have a cloud with z/OS just as much as you can have one with, e.g., Linux. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Phil Smith III > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 1:21 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Re: IBM Z and cloud > > OK, so what do we mean by "cloud"? What *customers* seem to mean is "a > compute platform where I can run my stuff but not have to deal with buying > hardware and racking and cabling it and in general all the work of running > a data center". By which definition, of course, traditional timesharing > fits. > > > > For x86, this is currently AWS and Google Cloud Platform and Microsoft > Azure (and not HPE Helion). For z, it's more like the IBM Dallas developer > systems, where you can rent a virtual machine that runs z/OS or z/VM or > Linux, and then do whatever you want with that OS. > > > > My conclusion is that the vendors (and IBM) who are saying "IBM Z and > cloud" are not being honest with themselves. Calling a tail a leg doesn't > make it one, and saying "We like IBM Z and it *can* do cloud-ish stuff, > therefore we will say it's good for cloud" is not a rational (much less > convincing) argument. > > > > Again, I'd love to be proven wrong. But the relative silence on this > thread tends to suggest that nobody else buys it either. Well, nobody > besides Ginny & Co. > > > > .phsiii > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Scott Ford IDMWORKS z/OS Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Running ISPF's 3.5 utility from a clist
Yes, ISPF stats are in the user half-words of the directory. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 12:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Running ISPF's 3.5 utility from a clist I've never done this, but I believe that ISPF stats occupy additional (optional) space in a directory entry. It might happen that adding stats to an already full directory could lead to space constraints. This problem is not insurmountable but one to be anticipated just in case. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Dana Mitchell Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 9:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Running ISPF's 3.5 utility from a clist Another option is if you have/can get PDS command from CBTTAPE File182. It has ATTRIB ADDSTATS command to add or change ISPF stats on member of a pds. Dana On Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:13:24 +, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote: >I do not know of a way to run the ISPF utility, but I have a couple options: >#1. CBTTAPE "**FILE 703" Has a utilty to convert one stat format to ISPF >stats, so it might be a starting point to do what you want. > >#2. There is a product available called, "REXXTOOLS/MVS" from "Open Software >Technologies, Inc." >http://secure-web.cisco.com/1CuTChrUR8JNtzUAvjkPvPj70q86skEX7okNfqvnU0V0KLyo20WQ5_xLs74xmhreGuK65prnPgJDVh09_l7-Z88ouYMkwSJHzN6ZysyjD7YqDmQb3nENrm-0c9Ub27L_39w34ViSbC1qj2BigGfJ0O3qdMffizS_MVMB-IzT1mNld7JTrZZjmqDJkblVb55ZDvCu_yZzwVeTh46DXcFUx07_Ie0vZcxciL6IzuvOfeT6TKUMXrH7xTfPtQhe07RxV5Rp_sqqP3BLv1IlI3-2NNzMlCfQrR2BU9HbP3lKxiv1SPiTujUiR-xJpED80aPj6XgwBWQlWRa6sgdkGMnpU_QzrklTuII-BtoMzQVv6aEro-yTD9JOzrZjs4IhqenrINqbFg9Egmy0__Ww32h7wHhvZJATNPfPHvSUeEzyH3cgKx7ar_96zpT35EOYjaXRc/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.open-softech.com >Within this package is the BPAM interface that provides, "Direct support for >creation, retrieval, and update of ISPF statistics." > >It does work, I have used it. > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: C macro processor - supply exteranl values - emulating CMake
On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 10:39:20 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >Otherwise I guess you need the classic solution with some character legal in C >macro names: > >#ifdef __MVS__ > #define MACRONAME __macroname__ >#else > #define MACRONAME @macroname@ >#endif > >Looks to me like @ is legal in symbol names, but I could easily be wrong. > Doesn't seem that way: 556 $ gcc --version gcc (Debian 4.9.2-10+deb8u1) 4.9.2 Copyright (C) 2014 Free Software Foundation, Inc. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. 557 $ make foo cc foo.c -o foo foo.c:2:19: error: stray ‘@’ in program #define MACRONAME @macroname@ ^ foo.c:4:5: note: in expansion of macro ‘MACRONAME’ int MACRONAME; ^ foo.c:2:29: error: stray ‘@’ in program #define MACRONAME @macroname@ ^ foo.c:4:5: note: in expansion of macro ‘MACRONAME’ int MACRONAME; ^ However, in an arbitrary "makefile.in": # $LynxId: makefile.in,v 1.118 2011/06/12 18:36:28 tom Exp $ ##makefile for lynx SHELL = @CONFIG_SHELL@ CDPATH = . .SUFFIXES: @SET_MAKE@ prefix = @prefix@ exec_prefix = @exec_prefix@ top_srcdir = @top_srcdir@ srcdir = @srcdir@ builddir= . VPATH = $(srcdir) These "@...@" are replaced when GNU configure filters makefile.in to makefile. Did the OP bypass a configure step? (I'd hate do do all that from JCL.) Mr. Natural sez, Use the right tool for the job. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Spam alert: Model9
Be careful; spammers often forge headers, so it's safest to learn how to read headers and to check the Received header fields to determine the actual provenance of the spam. See also http://www.medwayhosting.com/spam-l/deobfuscation-by-Shmuel/index.html -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of CM Poncelet Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 11:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Spam alert: Model9 FWIW SPAM mail can be sent to https://www.spamcop.net/ with a copy sent also to the spammer's email domain administrator (provided the abuse@ email ID is keyed into spamcop's spare 'copy-to' box that is). The spammer's email domain is the one following the '@' sign. The 'report abuse to administrator' email address for the spammer can then be found at https://secure-web.cisco.com/11Rj0URRt6sLw_P2VizI4v2gdo26_pqiMBOP4zRkAM9-nlimjAnJlp6-HqEGNDK45XOhG_VTyx16nYKlAIefZOQmBra9MEF93HPIeLS5vbiAsFVzznEzHo2lSbXQvBnH38UQdlaGjh0FoMPuvBFVkKfKlCBLKlaZzbWslfmFqD5dTroH3mLYhTWW2-BpKFanB2QBw-KOxk-9bJxdS_VxcTS_e-V3LBt78MwqkwkTaFC9Pe27XGZ9RjDmjEydMCf-aKrgri83XGA-v0_4zruL8Mc6FiY11LtePMKgwlFflae5fq-bApl2L6OmK2rJ6fxWx5yGC5ZbmUNS-i4Sjt0Q_TbD7MEKvN8bydxHMmMYxno5rcBNluTJhs4-hLvVz4UFvMN6OhsxAGmGSLQBMR0y9oxuj5CYMaEklwXglSxfkWhROAtRqX2gQABZrZR7Zr0pd/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.whois.com%2F. (Yes, it can be spoofed - but the headers/metadata show the spammer's real email ID.) This practically always stops any further junk mail being sent out. (BTW My filters store any emails from unrecognised senders - e.g. from Model9 - in my 'trash' folder, from where they are then deleted. So, NOPWAD.) HTH, CP On 14/09/2018 22:30, Arthur wrote: > On 14 Sep 2018 03:50:14 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main > (Message-ID:<7316854461517568.wa.giliadwyahoo@listserv.ua.edu>) > 00d50942efa9-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Giliad Wilf) wrote: > >> Got this e-mail too, inspected it with some concerns, but finally >> opened it. >> It could prove useful, as the CEO advised my previous employer on >> performance issues we had, to our satisfaction. >> This CEO co-authored many IBM publications, both white and red, and >> was a visiting developer at IBM of some z/OS components. > > If you know the CEO, tell him not to spam. Don't let spammers prosper. > It wouldn't be the first time a CEO didn't know what his marketing > people are doing. > > Also, I forwarded it to the edress in the anti-spam header: >> X-Report-Abuse-To: ab...@hubspot.com (see >> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1GujClvauL3cZ7Io1yNJWzrQB65DX2GHqmo7k9mSuX0Sw_X-mm6dI9Qi6EVPBrTOH1bNZmdgoKeqCGlQVoAkQHBsBRwEWzEUtgLBKc_OXDTtg9FYlTWokRgcLE2A0PMyKEUGrDJqOSv9MvA54e82tOnlC_8nzHszc-QYR18WjcIYd4GWOkx_PSaEwIPgkQ4CDw5dRThVxbmgCcfrz0gG9jfIQ7z-g6IHBxk8q8FI8aSUOB57tojOhkVtETICUfHE-_TVZtECjebk4N1dfijeEwuG435GtFJ-lnOcztvHRf5igqrrQB-wI6ferMNfOl-OOWPOr79Neji7M63YpKo-ChGzKU0NDnE3ASgupXuqc76ZV1P8vivc0Lvszw7JvqA80oVB7lEZlYS30wqvL6D4xxgz3jBHszeWYT9PF2Du5N3I5J5eA9hpKFn1dAYEArQ9cX17mBzGWPSUqFVmq4ieGAA/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hubspot.com%2Fabuse-complaints%29 > > I'm not sure how much good it'll do, but I did get a response from > that. If the rest of you also report it, it might make a difference. > He did say they "will be investigating to ensure compliance with our > acceptable use policy." > > And, in reference to another post: I did not go to Share; I did not > subscribe; it was sent to this edress which I use *only* for IBM Main. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > . > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: how to catalog page dataset to new MCAT
That depends. Best practice is to use unique names for the page datasets in IEASYSxx PAGE=, in which case they don't present a conflicts. You can even have identical IEASYSxx members if you use static system symbols to generate names specific to the LPAR. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of retired mainframer Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 12:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: how to catalog page dataset to new MCAT Will your Z110S and Z210M systems run simultaneously in different LPARs? If so, then you do not want to copy the catalog entry. This will cause both systems to try to use the same page dataset on the same volume. In this case you need to define new page datasets for Z210M. See the "DEFINE PAGESPACE" command in your "Access Method Services for Catalogs" manual. If the two systems will run in the same LPAR (obviously not simultaneously) and you really want to use the same page datasets for both, then you need to determine the names of the datasets in the current system. Look up the "D ASM" command in your "MVS System Commands" manual. Then you can copy the catalog entries to your new master catalog **and** update the PAGE parameter in your new IEASYSxx. > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of johnnydeep san > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 4:19 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: how to catalog page dataset to new MCAT > > I used todd's jcl and it ran fine but still getting same issue . > >REPRO INDATASET(CATALOG.Z110S.MASTER) - > 00210004 > OUTDATASET(CATALOG.Z210M.MASTER) - > 00220004 > LEVEL(SYS1.PLPA.PAGE)- > 00221004 > MERGECAT > 00222004 > IDC01460I THE NUMBER OF ENTRIES MERGED WAS 0 > > IDC0001I FUNCTION COMPLETED, HIGHEST CONDITION CODE WAS 0 > > > > Should pagedatast locate in new master catalog(CATALOG.Z210M.MASTER) > volume ? . > I haven't any page datasets in new master catalog volume, it's located in > old master catalog volume . how to make understand this page datasets to > new master catalog ? .guide me. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Z and cloud
cloud = timesharing Someone else deploys the infrastructure, to you it's a black box. Less control but also less manpower. Some legal issues. No, z/OS is not a cloud, but neither is AIX, *bsd, Linux, windows or Solaris; it's the deployment that makes it a cloud or not a cloud. You can have a cloud with z/OS just as much as you can have one with, e.g., Linux. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Phil Smith III Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 1:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: IBM Z and cloud OK, so what do we mean by "cloud"? What *customers* seem to mean is "a compute platform where I can run my stuff but not have to deal with buying hardware and racking and cabling it and in general all the work of running a data center". By which definition, of course, traditional timesharing fits. For x86, this is currently AWS and Google Cloud Platform and Microsoft Azure (and not HPE Helion). For z, it's more like the IBM Dallas developer systems, where you can rent a virtual machine that runs z/OS or z/VM or Linux, and then do whatever you want with that OS. My conclusion is that the vendors (and IBM) who are saying "IBM Z and cloud" are not being honest with themselves. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it one, and saying "We like IBM Z and it *can* do cloud-ish stuff, therefore we will say it's good for cloud" is not a rational (much less convincing) argument. Again, I'd love to be proven wrong. But the relative silence on this thread tends to suggest that nobody else buys it either. Well, nobody besides Ginny & Co. .phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: C macro processor - supply exteranl values - emulating CMake
Otherwise I guess you need the classic solution with some character legal in C macro names: #ifdef __MVS__ #define MACRONAME __macroname__ #else #define MACRONAME @macroname@ #endif Looks to me like @ is legal in symbol names, but I could easily be wrong. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ze'ev Atlas Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 10:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: C macro processor - supply exteranl values - emulating CMake This seems to be a good idea I will try to do: DEF(@xxx@=1) and see if it works As for Gil's question, yeah it is an open source (PCRE2) that is usually dealt with by gcc and make. If the idea above worls themn I am done ZA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: C macro processor - supply exteranl values - emulating CMake
I did DEF(@macroname@=1) and it seems not to work. i.e. #define MACRONAME @macroname@ #if MACRONAME ... #else ... #endif did not yield the desired results -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: C macro processor - supply exteranl values - emulating CMake
This seems to be a good idea I will try to do: DEF(@xxx@=1) and see if it works As for Gil's question, yeah it is an open source (PCRE2) that is usually dealt with by gcc and make. If the idea above worls themn I am done ZA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: C macro processor - supply exteranl values - emulating CMake
What exactly is the problem? Is there some reason you cannot DEF(@macroname@=newvalue) ? Is @ legal is C macro names? Is there an IBM extension to allow it? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ze'ev Atlas Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 7:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: C macro processor - supply exteranl values - emulating CMake Unfortunately, this is NOT the case I do have several cases were a macro is not defined in the source code but supplied, macro and value by the mechanism: DEF(MACRONAME=somevalue) Here I encountered something else (I assume it is a CMake and gcc construct). The macro is not defined externally, but in the source code: #DEFINE MACRONAME @macroname@ and the make process would supply the value to substitute the @macroname@. My question is whether IBM C run via JCL has a mechanism to supply the value only. I believe that this is a non-standard feature that the GNU guys are pushing on us. ZA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: C macro processor - supply exteranl values - emulating CMake
On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 11:58:14 +, Ze'ev Atlas wrote: >... >I have a new challenge, something like: >#define HAVE_STDINT_H @HAVE_STDINT_H@ >which means that I should not define the macro externally, but get only the >value from CMake > This looks like something to be substituted by a preprocessor such as GNU configure. Where did you get this code? >… I run with good ol' JCL. > Why? But it might be discourteous of someone to distribute code which depends on YA "commercially supported" product. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ASCB scan and user-id...
On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 17:06:53 +0300, ITschak Mugzach wrote: >I do understand it, but it is interesting that same blocks in different >address spaces maps to same address spaces. It is clear why, it is always >the same order of build, but still interesting. Unless it's changed in the past few years, you'll find that the top few TCBs in each address space tend to be at the same addresses across address spaces, too. And the address space ACEE also is also commonly at the same address in each address space. We had to design an interesting set of test cases when implementing some cross-memory functions in RACF to ensure that we were looking at the proper ASXB and proper TCB in all cases. It's very easy to end up looking at an ASXB or TCB or ACEE from Primary instead of Home if you're not careful :) -- Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: C macro processor - supply exteranl values - emulating CMake
Unfortunately, this is NOT the case I do have several cases were a macro is not defined in the source code but supplied, macro and value by the mechanism: DEF(MACRONAME=somevalue) Here I encountered something else (I assume it is a CMake and gcc construct). The macro is not defined externally, but in the source code: #DEFINE MACRONAME @macroname@ and the make process would supply the value to substitute the @macroname@. My question is whether IBM C run via JCL has a mechanism to supply the value only. I believe that this is a non-standard feature that the GNU guys are pushing on us. ZA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Z and cloud
I think Cloud means two different things on whether cloud is a noun or a verb. For those describing Cloud as a noun its a place where things are cheap and there is no infrastructure. Others describe noun as a verb which is about agility, process and speed. For the most part, when people describe z/OS as Cloud they are referring to the verb which means you can deploy and develop as fast as you can on cloud. Thanks how I see the differentiation. Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org +1-919-656-0564 PGP Key: 0x90ECB270 I just read a book on Stockholm Syndrome, it was pretty bad at first, but, by the end I kind of liked it. > On Sep 15, 2018, at 8:00 PM, scott Ford wrote: > > Phil, > > My issue with cloud computing and multiple z/OS it’s not structured > financially for small ISVs like us. > Cost is a big issue with us.. > > Scott > > On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 1:22 PM Phil Smith III wrote: > >> OK, so what do we mean by "cloud"? What *customers* seem to mean is "a >> compute platform where I can run my stuff but not have to deal with buying >> hardware and racking and cabling it and in general all the work of running >> a data center". By which definition, of course, traditional timesharing >> fits. >> >> >> >> For x86, this is currently AWS and Google Cloud Platform and Microsoft >> Azure (and not HPE Helion). For z, it's more like the IBM Dallas developer >> systems, where you can rent a virtual machine that runs z/OS or z/VM or >> Linux, and then do whatever you want with that OS. >> >> >> >> My conclusion is that the vendors (and IBM) who are saying "IBM Z and >> cloud" are not being honest with themselves. Calling a tail a leg doesn't >> make it one, and saying "We like IBM Z and it *can* do cloud-ish stuff, >> therefore we will say it's good for cloud" is not a rational (much less >> convincing) argument. >> >> >> >> Again, I'd love to be proven wrong. But the relative silence on this >> thread tends to suggest that nobody else buys it either. Well, nobody >> besides Ginny & Co. >> >> >> >> .phsiii >> >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > -- > Scott Ford > IDMWORKS > z/OS Development > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ASCB scan and user-id...
Charles, I do understand it, but it is interesting that same blocks in different address spaces maps to same address spaces. It is clear why, it is always the same order of build, but still interesting. ITschak On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 4:49 PM Charles Mills wrote: > What Bin is saying is that they might indeed all be at the same address -- > but in different address spaces. > > Charles > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of ITschak Mugzach > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 6:29 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: ASCB scan and user-id... > > Binyamin, > > What surprised me what that all ASXBs has the same address... So, how can > I get the userid associated with the ASCB? > > ITschak > > On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 4:17 PM Binyamin Dissen < > bdis...@dissensoftware.com> > wrote: > > > Because the ASXB is in private. You need to use the target memorie's > ASID. > > > > On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:46:32 +0300 ITschak Mugzach > > wrote: > > > > :>Few days ago someone (can't recall the thread) asked about scanning ( > > ascb > > :>chain. I tried to follow ascb ASXB and found that it always point to > my > > :>aSXB, even when I take the offset from the chain. Any idea why? and > > :>alternatively, how can I find the userid the ascb is associated with? > > > > -- > > Binyamin Dissen > > http://www.dissensoftware.com > > > > Director, Dissen Software, Bar & Grill - Israel > > > > > > Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, > > you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. > > > > I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, > > especially those from irresponsible companies. > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > ITschak Mugzach > *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Contiguous Monitoring > for Legacy **| * > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Contiguous Monitoring for Legacy **| * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ASCB scan and user-id...
What Bin is saying is that they might indeed all be at the same address -- but in different address spaces. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of ITschak Mugzach Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 6:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ASCB scan and user-id... Binyamin, What surprised me what that all ASXBs has the same address... So, how can I get the userid associated with the ASCB? ITschak On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 4:17 PM Binyamin Dissen wrote: > Because the ASXB is in private. You need to use the target memorie's ASID. > > On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:46:32 +0300 ITschak Mugzach > wrote: > > :>Few days ago someone (can't recall the thread) asked about scanning ( > ascb > :>chain. I tried to follow ascb ASXB and found that it always point to my > :>aSXB, even when I take the offset from the chain. Any idea why? and > :>alternatively, how can I find the userid the ascb is associated with? > > -- > Binyamin Dissen > http://www.dissensoftware.com > > Director, Dissen Software, Bar & Grill - Israel > > > Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, > you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. > > I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, > especially those from irresponsible companies. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Contiguous Monitoring for Legacy **| * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: C macro processor - supply exteranl values - emulating CMake
I'm not sure I follow. Is this right? The macro HAVE_STDINT_H is defined somewhere already in the source code, so defining it in OPTFILE would cause an error. However, you want it set to a value that would be supplied from OPTFILE? Is that right? Could you DEF(HAVE_STDINT_H_VALUE=1) in OPTFILE and then #define HAVE_STDINT_H HAVE_STDINT_H_VALUE in the source code? Possibly preceded by an #undef? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Ze'ev Atlas Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 4:58 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: C macro processor - supply exteranl values - emulating CMake Hi allI am using IBM C compiler via good ol' JCL. I already know how to supply external macro definitions by supplying://OPTFILE DD DSN=MY.LIB(OPTFILE),...and an OPTFILE member that contains lines like:DEF(HAVE_STDINT_H)or evenDEF(HAVE_STDINT_H=1) I have a new challenge, something like:#define HAVE_STDINT_H @HAVE_STDINT_H@which means that I should not define the macro externally, but get only the value from CMake… I do not have CMake and I do not use it since I run with good ol' JCL. Is there a way to supply the value only? Thank you Ze'ev Atlas -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ASCB scan and user-id...
Thanks Dori, how to get the ID in case of SUB=MSTR? ITschak On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 4:41 PM Dori Polotsky wrote: > ITschak, > > For an address space that is not SUB=MSTR, you can examine ASCB -> ASSB -> > JSAB -> JSABUSID > I believe all three control blocks should be SP 245 (common). > > Good luck, > Dori > > On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 4:29 PM, ITschak Mugzach > wrote: > > > Binyamin, > > > > What surprised me what that all ASXBs has the same address... So, how > can > > I get the userid associated with the ASCB? > > > > ITschak > > > > On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 4:17 PM Binyamin Dissen < > > bdis...@dissensoftware.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Because the ASXB is in private. You need to use the target memorie's > > ASID. > > > > > > On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:46:32 +0300 ITschak Mugzach > > > > wrote: > > > > > > :>Few days ago someone (can't recall the thread) asked about scanning ( > > > ascb > > > :>chain. I tried to follow ascb ASXB and found that it always point to > > my > > > :>aSXB, even when I take the offset from the chain. Any idea why? and > > > :>alternatively, how can I find the userid the ascb is associated with? > > > > > > -- > > > Binyamin Dissen > > > http://www.dissensoftware.com > > > > > > Director, Dissen Software, Bar & Grill - Israel > > > > > > > > > Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, > > > you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. > > > > > > I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, > > > especially those from irresponsible companies. > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > -- > > ITschak Mugzach > > *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Contiguous Monitoring > > for Legacy **| * > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > -- > [image: Model9] > Dori Polotsky > R > m: +972-54-4584663 e: dori.polot...@model9.io w: www.model9.io > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Contiguous Monitoring for Legacy **| * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ASCB scan and user-id...
ITschak, For an address space that is not SUB=MSTR, you can examine ASCB -> ASSB -> JSAB -> JSABUSID I believe all three control blocks should be SP 245 (common). Good luck, Dori On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 4:29 PM, ITschak Mugzach wrote: > Binyamin, > > What surprised me what that all ASXBs has the same address... So, how can > I get the userid associated with the ASCB? > > ITschak > > On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 4:17 PM Binyamin Dissen < > bdis...@dissensoftware.com> > wrote: > > > Because the ASXB is in private. You need to use the target memorie's > ASID. > > > > On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:46:32 +0300 ITschak Mugzach > > wrote: > > > > :>Few days ago someone (can't recall the thread) asked about scanning ( > > ascb > > :>chain. I tried to follow ascb ASXB and found that it always point to > my > > :>aSXB, even when I take the offset from the chain. Any idea why? and > > :>alternatively, how can I find the userid the ascb is associated with? > > > > -- > > Binyamin Dissen > > http://www.dissensoftware.com > > > > Director, Dissen Software, Bar & Grill - Israel > > > > > > Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, > > you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. > > > > I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, > > especially those from irresponsible companies. > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > ITschak Mugzach > *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Contiguous Monitoring > for Legacy **| * > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- [image: Model9] Dori Polotsky R m: +972-54-4584663 e: dori.polot...@model9.io w: www.model9.io -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ASCB scan and user-id...
Binyamin, What surprised me what that all ASXBs has the same address... So, how can I get the userid associated with the ASCB? ITschak On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 4:17 PM Binyamin Dissen wrote: > Because the ASXB is in private. You need to use the target memorie's ASID. > > On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:46:32 +0300 ITschak Mugzach > wrote: > > :>Few days ago someone (can't recall the thread) asked about scanning ( > ascb > :>chain. I tried to follow ascb ASXB and found that it always point to my > :>aSXB, even when I take the offset from the chain. Any idea why? and > :>alternatively, how can I find the userid the ascb is associated with? > > -- > Binyamin Dissen > http://www.dissensoftware.com > > Director, Dissen Software, Bar & Grill - Israel > > > Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, > you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. > > I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, > especially those from irresponsible companies. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Contiguous Monitoring for Legacy **| * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ASCB scan and user-id...
Because the ASXB is in private. You need to use the target memorie's ASID. On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:46:32 +0300 ITschak Mugzach wrote: :>Few days ago someone (can't recall the thread) asked about scanning ( ascb :>chain. I tried to follow ascb ASXB and found that it always point to my :>aSXB, even when I take the offset from the chain. Any idea why? and :>alternatively, how can I find the userid the ascb is associated with? -- Binyamin Dissen http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar & Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
ASCB scan and user-id...
Few days ago someone (can't recall the thread) asked about scanning ( ascb chain. I tried to follow ascb ASXB and found that it always point to my aSXB, even when I take the offset from the chain. Any idea why? and alternatively, how can I find the userid the ascb is associated with? ITschak -- ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Contiguous Monitoring for Legacy **| * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
C macro processor - supply exteranl values - emulating CMake
Hi allI am using IBM C compiler via good ol' JCL. I already know how to supply external macro definitions by supplying://OPTFILE DD DSN=MY.LIB(OPTFILE),...and an OPTFILE member that contains lines like:DEF(HAVE_STDINT_H)or evenDEF(HAVE_STDINT_H=1) I have a new challenge, something like:#define HAVE_STDINT_H @HAVE_STDINT_H@which means that I should not define the macro externally, but get only the value from CMake… I do not have CMake and I do not use it since I run with good ol' JCL. Is there a way to supply the value only? Thank you Ze'ev Atlas -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Auto backup of zfs
Munif, There are ISV products in the market that already today support backup and recovery of individual z/OS UNIX files within a zFS. Two examples I am aware of: - Model9 Backup and Recovery for z/OS - https://model9.io and https://model9.io/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Model9_Unix_Bank_case-study-V1.pdf - Innovation FDR/UPSTREAM - https://www.fdr.com/products/upstream/ On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 6:56 PM Glenn Wilcock wrote: > Hi, we have not yet publicly announced a date. If you have a > nonDisclosure Agreement, we can discuss offline. Thx, Glenn > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
