Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
Good point! I came into mainframe security from the development side and have never been a systems programmer, so terms like "VTAM" are mostly a mystery to me. But once I'm connected to my client's VPN, and looking at the Win-10 desktop at end, I open the mainframe app and log on directly to TSO, bypassing SuperSession. Still, as you no doubt saw by the time you got through the rest of the emails in this thread, is getting no response not only in 3270 emulation but also in Outlook on the client's side. So I think it's safe to conclude the problem is happening before the keystroke gets to Attachmate Extra!. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Confession without repentance is just bragging. -Rev Eugene Bolton */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 18:00 The problem is not in TSO or ISPF. The problem is your keyboard mapping if your logging on directly to TSO. If you're logging on via, e.g., TPX, check what keys it's intercepting. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 17:54 Is it politically correct to use a VTAM packet trace? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Clifford McNeill Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:39 If a VTAM session monitor is between the PC and TSO, it could have PF21 assigned to some purpose and not passing it on. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:21 PM I have to plead, in response to both questions, not so much inability and ignorance. I once saw a vendor apply a packet sniffer to a problem we had at another client, when we couldn't figure out why a connection wasn't being accepted. He was able to show us that the client and server couldn't find a common encryption scheme. I immediately saw the value of packet sniffers, and the next time I had a problem on my own machine I got myself a copy of I-think-it-was-WireShark. But I couldn't figure out how to make it work. That was about a year ago, and it's as close as I ever got to sniffing throughput. Sounds like a great idea, but I don't know how. And I'm working remote, of course, so I couldn't do it on the big box in any case. I understand the other question, but my ignorance isn't much less in that area. I've worked with many clients, and have long suspected that I can use any 3270 emulation client with box once the connection is made. But so far I haven't tested that notion. And in this case the emulation client (Attachmate Extra!) is provided from the other end after I connect to their network, so I guess I wouldn't be able to in any case. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:08 Can you sniff the data stream on both the PC and the z? Is the behavior different with a different emulator or PC? --- On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 12:57:57 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: >This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me tell you what I've tried so far: >... >I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it? Any ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
The problem is not in TSO or ISPF. The problem is your keyboard mapping if your logging on directly to TSO. If you're logging on via, e.g., TPX, check what keys it's intercepting. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 12:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: PF key - one PF key - not responding This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me tell you what I've tried so far: In ISPF is assigned the string "rfind" and is assigned the string "rchange". I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt own", and start hitting in order to find and change selected instances of "agt" to "own". Nothing happens. o I test it by using . The rfind command works fine. o I try using the right shift key instead of the left. No response. o I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked. Doesn't fix the problem. o I reboot the PC. No change. o Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to . Nope, still garners no response o I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent. o I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that is mapped to PF21. o Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with . So in Outlook I mapped both and to the '£' character. Both and produced '£'. I conclude the keystroke is being sent. I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it? Any ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* All comes out even at the end of the day, and all comes out still more even when all the days are over. -Voltaire */ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
Is it politically correct to use a VTAM packet trace? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding I have to plead, in response to both questions, not so much inability and ignorance. I once saw a vendor apply a packet sniffer to a problem we had at another client, when we couldn't figure out why a connection wasn't being accepted. He was able to show us that the client and server couldn’t find a common encryption scheme. I immediately saw the value of packet sniffers, and the next time I had a problem on my own machine I got myself a copy of I-think-it-was-WireShark. But I couldn't figure out how to make it work. That was about a year ago, and it's as close as I ever got to sniffing throughput. Sounds like a great idea, but I don't know how. And I'm working remote, of course, so I couldn't do it on the big box in any case. I understand the other question, but my ignorance isn't much less in that area. I've worked with many clients, and have long suspected that I can use any 3270 emulation client with box once the connection is made. But so far I haven't tested that notion. And in this case the emulation client (Attachmate Extra!) is provided from the other end after I connect to their network, so I guess I wouldn't be able to in any case. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Sir, Romulan Warbird decloA%}g?:NO CARRIER */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:08 Can you sniff the data stream on both the PC and the z? Is the behavior different with a different emulator or PC? --- On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 12:57:57 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: >This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any response >from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me tell >you what I've tried so far: >... >I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 >emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it? Any >ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
Is there an RFE for a TSO facility to prompt the user and display the AID of the user's response? That would be useful in diagnosing misconfigured TN3270 clients and 3270 simulators. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Brennan Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding I don't know if this is related, but I get emails every once in a while telling me a PC's higher PF keys don't do anything at all. It seems to often be a Dell laptop and they need to click the key either while or before clicking the PF key. People have also told me if they do (I think?) or or similar, they get to a point where they can set that option on permanently to use those keys without the function key. On 8/24/2020 9:57 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: > This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any response > from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me > tell you what I've tried so far: > > In ISPF is assigned the string "rfind" and is assigned the > string "rchange". I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt own", > and start hitting in order to find and change selected instances > of "agt" to "own". Nothing happens. > > o I test it by using . The rfind command works fine. > > o I try using the right shift key instead of the left. No response. > > o I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked. > Doesn't fix the problem. > > o I reboot the PC. No change. > > o Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to > . Nope, > still garners no response > > o I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the problem > isn't the command, it's > that the keystroke isn't being sent. > > o I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that is > mapped to PF21. > > o Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with not . So in Outlook > I mapped both and to the '£' character. Both and > produced '£'. I > conclude the keystroke is being sent. > > I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 > emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it? Any > ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* All comes out even at the end of the day, and all comes out still more > even when all the days are over. -Voltaire */ > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
In the old days, PFK13 to PFK24 were the primary PFKeys (with PFK01 to PFK12 secondary). PFK21 was orginally assigned to SWAP (toggle screens) by default and as a primary PFK. IBM then changed all that to be PC-compatible, making PFK01-PFK12 the new primary PFKs (possibly in OS/390, or even earlier in late MVS/ESA). But there could be an issue with your PC's 3270 emulator. If PFSHOW does not help, what happens if you change your PFK21 from 'RCHANGE' to 'END'? Does it then END the editing or does it do nothing? BTW I had no problems remapping keyboards with TN3270-Plus and QWS3270. Cheers, Chris Poncelet (retired sysprog) On 24/08/2020 20:31, Joe Monk wrote: > When youre in EDIT mode, try PFSHOW on the command line. See what it says. > > Joe > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 1:22 PM Bob Bridges wrote: > >> While replying to some of the ideas you folks sent me I thought to try >> another one: I said works in Outlook, but I forgot to >> distinguish: It's working in ~my~ Outlook, on my own desktop. So I just >> went to Outlook on the client's desktop (provided through the VPN), and >> there works in Outlook but doesn't. >> >> Clearly the problem a) isn't in my imagination, b) isn't on my own >> hardware somewhere, and c) isn't in any part of the mainframe. It's gotta >> be in the VPN or on the server side. I'll still take ideas, but I hereby >> declare this OT for this forum. >> >> --- >> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 >> >> /* Q: What do you call a beautiful woman on a trombonist's arm? A: A >> tatoo. -from a collection of musician jokes */ >> >> --- On 8/24/2020 9:57 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: >>> This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any >> response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, >> let me tell you what I've tried so far: >>> In ISPF is assigned the string "rfind" and is assigned >> the string "rchange". I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt >> own", and start hitting in order to find and change selected >> instances of "agt" to "own". Nothing happens. >>> o I test it by using . The rfind command works fine. >>> >>> o I try using the right shift key instead of the left. No response. >>> >>> o I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got >> locked. Doesn't fix the problem. >>> o I reboot the PC. No change. >>> >>> o Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" >> to . Nope, >>> still garners no response >>> >>> o I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the >> problem isn't the command, it's >>> that the keystroke isn't being sent. >>> >>> o I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that >> is mapped to PF21. >>> o Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with > but not . So in Outlook >>> I mapped both and to the '£' character. Both >> and produced '£'. I >>> conclude the keystroke is being sent. >>> >>> I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 >> emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it? Any >> ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely. >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > . > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
When youre in EDIT mode, try PFSHOW on the command line. See what it says. Joe On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 1:22 PM Bob Bridges wrote: > While replying to some of the ideas you folks sent me I thought to try > another one: I said works in Outlook, but I forgot to > distinguish: It's working in ~my~ Outlook, on my own desktop. So I just > went to Outlook on the client's desktop (provided through the VPN), and > there works in Outlook but doesn't. > > Clearly the problem a) isn't in my imagination, b) isn't on my own > hardware somewhere, and c) isn't in any part of the mainframe. It's gotta > be in the VPN or on the server side. I'll still take ideas, but I hereby > declare this OT for this forum. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* Q: What do you call a beautiful woman on a trombonist's arm? A: A > tatoo. -from a collection of musician jokes */ > > --- On 8/24/2020 9:57 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: > > This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any > response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, > let me tell you what I've tried so far: > > > > In ISPF is assigned the string "rfind" and is assigned > the string "rchange". I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt > own", and start hitting in order to find and change selected > instances of "agt" to "own". Nothing happens. > > > > o I test it by using . The rfind command works fine. > > > > o I try using the right shift key instead of the left. No response. > > > > o I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got > locked. Doesn't fix the problem. > > > > o I reboot the PC. No change. > > > > o Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" > to . Nope, > > still garners no response > > > > o I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the > problem isn't the command, it's > > that the keystroke isn't being sent. > > > > o I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that > is mapped to PF21. > > > > o Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with but not . So in Outlook > > I mapped both and to the '£' character. Both > and produced '£'. I > > conclude the keystroke is being sent. > > > > I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 > emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it? Any > ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
Some laptops (maybe it's windows 10), allow you to remap a key from a windows perspective. Perhaps your laptop/windows has SHIFT+F9 mapped to something completely different? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 2:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding While replying to some of the ideas you folks sent me I thought to try another one: I said works in Outlook, but I forgot to distinguish: It's working in ~my~ Outlook, on my own desktop. So I just went to Outlook on the client's desktop (provided through the VPN), and there works in Outlook but doesn't. Clearly the problem a) isn't in my imagination, b) isn't on my own hardware somewhere, and c) isn't in any part of the mainframe. It's gotta be in the VPN or on the server side. I'll still take ideas, but I hereby declare this OT for this forum. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Q: What do you call a beautiful woman on a trombonist's arm? A: A tatoo. -from a collection of musician jokes */ --- On 8/24/2020 9:57 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: > This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any response > from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me > tell you what I've tried so far: > > In ISPF is assigned the string "rfind" and is assigned the > string "rchange". I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt own", > and start hitting in order to find and change selected instances > of "agt" to "own". Nothing happens. > > o I test it by using . The rfind command works fine. > > o I try using the right shift key instead of the left. No response. > > o I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked. > Doesn't fix the problem. > > o I reboot the PC. No change. > > o Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to > . Nope, > still garners no response > > o I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the problem > isn't the command, it's > that the keystroke isn't being sent. > > o I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that is > mapped to PF21. > > o Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with not . So in Outlook > I mapped both and to the '£' character. Both and > produced '£'. I > conclude the keystroke is being sent. > > I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 > emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it? Any > ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
While replying to some of the ideas you folks sent me I thought to try another one: I said works in Outlook, but I forgot to distinguish: It's working in ~my~ Outlook, on my own desktop. So I just went to Outlook on the client's desktop (provided through the VPN), and there works in Outlook but doesn't. Clearly the problem a) isn't in my imagination, b) isn't on my own hardware somewhere, and c) isn't in any part of the mainframe. It's gotta be in the VPN or on the server side. I'll still take ideas, but I hereby declare this OT for this forum. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Q: What do you call a beautiful woman on a trombonist's arm? A: A tatoo. -from a collection of musician jokes */ --- On 8/24/2020 9:57 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: > This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any response > from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me > tell you what I've tried so far: > > In ISPF is assigned the string "rfind" and is assigned the > string "rchange". I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt own", > and start hitting in order to find and change selected instances > of "agt" to "own". Nothing happens. > > o I test it by using . The rfind command works fine. > > o I try using the right shift key instead of the left. No response. > > o I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked. > Doesn't fix the problem. > > o I reboot the PC. No change. > > o Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to > . Nope, > still garners no response > > o I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the problem > isn't the command, it's > that the keystroke isn't being sent. > > o I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that is > mapped to PF21. > > o Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with not . So in Outlook > I mapped both and to the '£' character. Both and > produced '£'. I > conclude the keystroke is being sent. > > I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 > emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it? Any > ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
Oh, forgot to mention: I'm using a Lenovo laptop. As always, I plug a standard keyboard into its USB port; I hate laptop keyboards. But this morning I tried on my laptop keyboard, too, just to see if it was the standard keyboard. Same issue. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* The Christian is in a different position from other people who are trying to be good. They hope, by being good, to please God if there is one, or — if they think there is not — at least they hope to deserve approval from good men. But the Christiandoes not think God will love us because we are good, but that God will make us good because He loves us -from _What Christians Believe_ by C S Lewis */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Wayne Bickerdike Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:40 I have a Dell laptop and some keys often fail to work. It's a common problem. In your case it could be something similar. The fault is intermittent and I use a USBexternal keyboard to overcome the problem. --- On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 03:38 Billy Ashton wrote: > It really sounds like your Shift F9 key is mapped to something other > than PF21 in the emulator. I don't remember the commands in Extra! to > see the keyboard mapping, but I would start there. Be sure you are > looking at Shift F9, not just base F9. > Billy > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Bob Bridges" > Sent: 8/24/2020 1:29:05 PM > > >Didn’t mean to be unclear; when I said "rchange" was assigned to > , I really meant to . > > > >However it's a good question about trying it in other apps. I went back > to the PDF menu - the ISPF Primary Options Menu, I mean (I guess I'm > showing my age) - assigned HELP to and hit . No > response. If I hadn't rebooted, and if weren't provably > working in a non-mainframe app (ie Outlook), it would be perfectly obvious > that the problem is at my end, either in my PC or the keyboard. > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Itschak Mugzach > >Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:13 > > > >PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line > >while in edit. What us the value of "pf21"? > > > >--- בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges > >> This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any > >> response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or > >> my PC, let me tell you what I've tried so far: > >> > >> In ISPF is assigned the string "rfind" and is > >> assigned the string "rchange". I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the > >> command "c all agt own", and start hitting in order to > >> find and change selected instances of "agt" to "own". Nothing > >> happens. > >> > >> o I test it by using . The rfind command works fine. > >> > >> o I try using the right shift key instead of the left. No response. > >> > >> o I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got > >> locked. Doesn't fix the problem. > >> > >> o I reboot the PC. No change. > >> > >> o Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" > >> to . Nope, still garners no response > >> > >> o I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the > >> problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent. > >> > >> o I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that > >> is mapped to PF21. > >> > >> o Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with >> but not . So in Outlook I mapped both and > >> to the '£' character. Both and produced '£'. I > >> conclude the keystroke is being sent. > >> > >> I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the > >> 3270 emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to > >> it? Any ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter > >> how unlikely. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
Ok, but I use that rchange key pretty often, so if your theory is right it's new. I'm doubtful. (On the other hand I did say I was at the end of my rope and would welcome any theory no matter how wacky, so I'm not going to complain.) --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* What's the difference between a bad golfer and a bad skydiver? A bad golfer goes "Damn!" A bad skydiver goes "Damn!" */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Clifford McNeill Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:39 If a VTAM session monitor is between the PC and TSO, it could have PF21 assigned to some purpose and not passing it on. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 12:29 PM Didn’t mean to be unclear; when I said "rchange" was assigned to , I really meant to . However it's a good question about trying it in other apps. I went back to the PDF menu - the ISPF Primary Options Menu, I mean (I guess I'm showing my age) - assigned HELP to and hit . No response. If I hadn't rebooted, and if weren't provably working in a non-mainframe app (ie Outlook), it would be perfectly obvious that the problem is at my end, either in my PC or the keyboard. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Itschak Mugzach Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:13 PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line while in edit. What us the value of "pf21"? --- בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any > response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, > let me tell you what I've tried so far: > > In ISPF is assigned the string "rfind" and is assigned > the string "rchange". I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt > own", and start hitting in order to find and change selected > instances of "agt" to "own". Nothing happens. > > o I test it by using . The rfind command works fine. > > o I try using the right shift key instead of the left. No response. > > o I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked. >Doesn't fix the problem. > > o I reboot the PC. No change. > > o Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to >. Nope, still garners no response > > o I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the >problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent. > > o I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that >is mapped to PF21. > > o Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with not . So in Outlook I mapped both and to the >'£' character. Both and produced '£'. I conclude the >keystroke is being sent. > > I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 > emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it? Any > ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
Excellent question! I tried (return) and (up max) at the main menu and both worked. Tried and (down max) in Edit, and both worked. I guess it's just . Stranger and stranger. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* One can believe abortion (or, for that matter, heresy) to be a serious evil without believing that the state has the authority to restrict it. -Joseph Sobran */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mazer Ken G Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:37 Are any of the PF Keys 13-24 working? It sounds like maybe the keyboard map in Attachmate isn't allowing the shift-key to work. I always use the "IBM 3191.ekm or "IBM 3191.xkb" keyboard maps in my InfoConnect/Attachmate session. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:29 PM Didn’t mean to be unclear; when I said "rchange" was assigned to , I really meant to . However it's a good question about trying it in other apps. I went back to the PDF menu - the ISPF Primary Options Menu, I mean (I guess I'm showing my age) - assigned HELP to and hit . No response. If I hadn't rebooted, and if weren't provably working in a non-mainframe app (ie Outlook), it would be perfectly obvious that the problem is at my end, either in my PC or the keyboard. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Itschak Mugzach Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:13 PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line while in edit. What us the value of "pf21"? --- בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any > response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or > my PC, let me tell you what I've tried so far: > > In ISPF is assigned the string "rfind" and is > assigned the string "rchange". I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the > command "c all agt own", and start hitting in order to > find and change selected instances of "agt" to "own". Nothing happens. > > o I test it by using . The rfind command works fine. > > o I try using the right shift key instead of the left. No response. > > o I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked. >Doesn't fix the problem. > > o I reboot the PC. No change. > > o Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to >. Nope, still garners no response > > o I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the >problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent. > > o I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that >is mapped to PF21. > > o Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with not . So in Outlook I mapped both and to the >'£' character. Both and produced '£'. I conclude the >keystroke is being sent. > > I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the > 3270 emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond > to it? Any ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter > how unlikely. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
I don't know if this is related, but I get emails every once in a while telling me a PC's higher PF keys don't do anything at all. It seems to often be a Dell laptop and they need to click the key either while or before clicking the PF key. People have also told me if they do (I think?) or or similar, they get to a point where they can set that option on permanently to use those keys without the function key. On 8/24/2020 9:57 AM, Bob Bridges wrote: This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me tell you what I've tried so far: In ISPF is assigned the string "rfind" and is assigned the string "rchange". I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt own", and start hitting in order to find and change selected instances of "agt" to "own". Nothing happens. o I test it by using . The rfind command works fine. o I try using the right shift key instead of the left. No response. o I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked. Doesn't fix the problem. o I reboot the PC. No change. o Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to . Nope, still garners no response o I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent. o I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that is mapped to PF21. o Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with . So in Outlook I mapped both and to the '£' character. Both and produced '£'. I conclude the keystroke is being sent. I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it? Any ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* All comes out even at the end of the day, and all comes out still more even when all the days are over. -Voltaire */ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
I have a Dell laptop and some keys often fail to work. It's a common problem. In your case it could be something similar. The fault is intermittent and I use a USBexternal keyboard to overcome the problem. On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 03:38 Billy Ashton wrote: > It really sounds like your Shift F9 key is mapped to something other > than PF21 in the emulator. I don't remember the commands in Extra! to > see the keyboard mapping, but I would start there. Be sure you are > looking at Shift F9, not just base F9. > Billy > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Bob Bridges" > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Sent: 8/24/2020 1:29:05 PM > Subject: Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding > > >Didn’t mean to be unclear; when I said "rchange" was assigned to > , I really meant to . > > > >However it's a good question about trying it in other apps. I went back > to the PDF menu - the ISPF Primary Options Menu, I mean (I guess I'm > showing my age) - assigned HELP to and hit . No > response. If I hadn't rebooted, and if weren't provably > working in a non-mainframe app (ie Outlook), it would be perfectly obvious > that the problem is at my end, either in my PC or the keyboard. > > > >--- > >Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > > >/* I'm not naive about my country. My country is definitely not always > right; my country has at times been terribly wrong. But I know this about > Americans: We don't set out to kill innocent people. We don't cheer when > innocent people die. -Dave Barry, 2001-09-14 */ > > > >-Original Message- > >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Itschak Mugzach > >Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:13 > > > >PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line > >while in edit. What us the value of "pf21"? > > > >--- בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges < > robhbrid...@gmail.com > >> This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any > >> response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or > my PC, > >> let me tell you what I've tried so far: > >> > >> In ISPF is assigned the string "rfind" and is > assigned > >> the string "rchange". I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all > agt > >> own", and start hitting in order to find and change > selected > >> instances of "agt" to "own". Nothing happens. > >> > >> o I test it by using . The rfind command works fine. > >> > >> o I try using the right shift key instead of the left. No response. > >> > >> o I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got > locked. > >> Doesn't fix the problem. > >> > >> o I reboot the PC. No change. > >> > >> o Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" > to > >> . Nope, still garners no response > >> > >> o I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the > >> problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent. > >> > >> o I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that > > >> is mapped to PF21. > >> > >> o Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with but > >> not . So in Outlook I mapped both and > to the > >> '£' character. Both and produced '£'. I conclude > the > >> keystroke is being sent. > >> > >> I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the > 3270 > >> emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to > it? Any > >> ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how > unlikely. > > > >-- > >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
If a VTAM session monitor is between the PC and TSO, it could have PF21 assigned to some purpose and not passing it on. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 12:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding Didn’t mean to be unclear; when I said "rchange" was assigned to , I really meant to . However it's a good question about trying it in other apps. I went back to the PDF menu - the ISPF Primary Options Menu, I mean (I guess I'm showing my age) - assigned HELP to and hit . No response. If I hadn't rebooted, and if weren't provably working in a non-mainframe app (ie Outlook), it would be perfectly obvious that the problem is at my end, either in my PC or the keyboard. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* I'm not naive about my country. My country is definitely not always right; my country has at times been terribly wrong. But I know this about Americans: We don't set out to kill innocent people. We don't cheer when innocent people die. -Dave Barry, 2001-09-14 */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Itschak Mugzach Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:13 PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line while in edit. What us the value of "pf21"? --- בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any > response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, > let me tell you what I've tried so far: > > In ISPF is assigned the string "rfind" and is assigned > the string "rchange". I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt > own", and start hitting in order to find and change selected > instances of "agt" to "own". Nothing happens. > > o I test it by using . The rfind command works fine. > > o I try using the right shift key instead of the left. No response. > > o I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked. >Doesn't fix the problem. > > o I reboot the PC. No change. > > o Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to >. Nope, still garners no response > > o I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the >problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent. > > o I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that >is mapped to PF21. > > o Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with not . So in Outlook I mapped both and to the >'£' character. Both and produced '£'. I conclude the >keystroke is being sent. > > I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 > emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it? Any > ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
It really sounds like your Shift F9 key is mapped to something other than PF21 in the emulator. I don't remember the commands in Extra! to see the keyboard mapping, but I would start there. Be sure you are looking at Shift F9, not just base F9. Billy -- Original Message -- From: "Bob Bridges" To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 8/24/2020 1:29:05 PM Subject: Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding Didn’t mean to be unclear; when I said "rchange" was assigned to , I really meant to . However it's a good question about trying it in other apps. I went back to the PDF menu - the ISPF Primary Options Menu, I mean (I guess I'm showing my age) - assigned HELP to and hit . No response. If I hadn't rebooted, and if weren't provably working in a non-mainframe app (ie Outlook), it would be perfectly obvious that the problem is at my end, either in my PC or the keyboard. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* I'm not naive about my country. My country is definitely not always right; my country has at times been terribly wrong. But I know this about Americans: We don't set out to kill innocent people. We don't cheer when innocent people die. -Dave Barry, 2001-09-14 */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Itschak Mugzach Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:13 PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line while in edit. What us the value of "pf21"? --- בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me tell you what I've tried so far: In ISPF is assigned the string "rfind" and is assigned the string "rchange". I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt own", and start hitting in order to find and change selected instances of "agt" to "own". Nothing happens. o I test it by using . The rfind command works fine. o I try using the right shift key instead of the left. No response. o I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked. Doesn't fix the problem. o I reboot the PC. No change. o Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to . Nope, still garners no response o I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent. o I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that is mapped to PF21. o Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with . So in Outlook I mapped both and to the '£' character. Both and produced '£'. I conclude the keystroke is being sent. I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it? Any ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
Bob, Are any of the PF Keys 13-24 working? It sounds like maybe the keyboard map in Attachmate isn't allowing the shift-key to work. I always use the "IBM 3191.ekm or "IBM 3191.xkb" keyboard maps in my InfoConnect/Attachmate session. Ken -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding Didn’t mean to be unclear; when I said "rchange" was assigned to , I really meant to . However it's a good question about trying it in other apps. I went back to the PDF menu - the ISPF Primary Options Menu, I mean (I guess I'm showing my age) - assigned HELP to and hit . No response. If I hadn't rebooted, and if weren't provably working in a non-mainframe app (ie Outlook), it would be perfectly obvious that the problem is at my end, either in my PC or the keyboard. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* I'm not naive about my country. My country is definitely not always right; my country has at times been terribly wrong. But I know this about Americans: We don't set out to kill innocent people. We don't cheer when innocent people die. -Dave Barry, 2001-09-14 */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Itschak Mugzach Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:13 PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line while in edit. What us the value of "pf21"? --- בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any > response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or > my PC, let me tell you what I've tried so far: > > In ISPF is assigned the string "rfind" and is > assigned the string "rchange". I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the > command "c all agt own", and start hitting in order to > find and change selected instances of "agt" to "own". Nothing happens. > > o I test it by using . The rfind command works fine. > > o I try using the right shift key instead of the left. No response. > > o I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked. >Doesn't fix the problem. > > o I reboot the PC. No change. > > o Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to >. Nope, still garners no response > > o I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the >problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent. > > o I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that >is mapped to PF21. > > o Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with not . So in Outlook I mapped both and to the >'£' character. Both and produced '£'. I conclude the >keystroke is being sent. > > I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the > 3270 emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond > to it? Any ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter > how unlikely. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
Besure you are set up for 24 PF Keys -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Itschak Mugzach Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 12:13 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line while in edit. What us the value of "pf21"? בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges : > This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any > response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, > let me tell you what I've tried so far: > > In ISPF is assigned the string "rfind" and is assigned > the string "rchange". I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt > own", and start hitting in order to find and change selected > instances of "agt" to "own". Nothing happens. > > o I test it by using . The rfind command works fine. > > o I try using the right shift key instead of the left. No response. > > o I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked. > Doesn't fix the problem. > > o I reboot the PC. No change. > > o Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to > . Nope, >still garners no response > > o I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the > problem isn't the command, it's >that the keystroke isn't being sent. > > o I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that > is mapped to PF21. > > o Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with not . So in Outlook >I mapped both and to the '£' character. Both and > produced '£'. I >conclude the keystroke is being sent. > > I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 > emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it? Any > ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* All comes out even at the end of the day, and all comes out still more > even when all the days are over. -Voltaire */ > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
Didn’t mean to be unclear; when I said "rchange" was assigned to , I really meant to . However it's a good question about trying it in other apps. I went back to the PDF menu - the ISPF Primary Options Menu, I mean (I guess I'm showing my age) - assigned HELP to and hit . No response. If I hadn't rebooted, and if weren't provably working in a non-mainframe app (ie Outlook), it would be perfectly obvious that the problem is at my end, either in my PC or the keyboard. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* I'm not naive about my country. My country is definitely not always right; my country has at times been terribly wrong. But I know this about Americans: We don't set out to kill innocent people. We don't cheer when innocent people die. -Dave Barry, 2001-09-14 */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Itschak Mugzach Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:13 PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line while in edit. What us the value of "pf21"? --- בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any > response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, > let me tell you what I've tried so far: > > In ISPF is assigned the string "rfind" and is assigned > the string "rchange". I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt > own", and start hitting in order to find and change selected > instances of "agt" to "own". Nothing happens. > > o I test it by using . The rfind command works fine. > > o I try using the right shift key instead of the left. No response. > > o I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked. >Doesn't fix the problem. > > o I reboot the PC. No change. > > o Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to >. Nope, still garners no response > > o I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the >problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent. > > o I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that >is mapped to PF21. > > o Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with not . So in Outlook I mapped both and to the >'£' character. Both and produced '£'. I conclude the >keystroke is being sent. > > I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 > emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it? Any > ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
I have to plead, in response to both questions, not so much inability and ignorance. I once saw a vendor apply a packet sniffer to a problem we had at another client, when we couldn't figure out why a connection wasn't being accepted. He was able to show us that the client and server couldn’t find a common encryption scheme. I immediately saw the value of packet sniffers, and the next time I had a problem on my own machine I got myself a copy of I-think-it-was-WireShark. But I couldn't figure out how to make it work. That was about a year ago, and it's as close as I ever got to sniffing throughput. Sounds like a great idea, but I don't know how. And I'm working remote, of course, so I couldn't do it on the big box in any case. I understand the other question, but my ignorance isn't much less in that area. I've worked with many clients, and have long suspected that I can use any 3270 emulation client with box once the connection is made. But so far I haven't tested that notion. And in this case the emulation client (Attachmate Extra!) is provided from the other end after I connect to their network, so I guess I wouldn't be able to in any case. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Sir, Romulan Warbird decloA%}g?:NO CARRIER */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 13:08 Can you sniff the data stream on both the PC and the z? Is the behavior different with a different emulator or PC? --- On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 12:57:57 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: >This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any response >from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me tell >you what I've tried so far: >... >I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 >emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it? Any >ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
PF setting is ispf application sensitive. Try keys at the command line while in edit. What us the value of "pf21"? בתאריך יום ב׳, 24 באוג׳ 2020, 19:58, מאת Bob Bridges : > This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any > response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, > let me tell you what I've tried so far: > > In ISPF is assigned the string "rfind" and is assigned > the string "rchange". I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt > own", and start hitting in order to find and change selected > instances of "agt" to "own". Nothing happens. > > o I test it by using . The rfind command works fine. > > o I try using the right shift key instead of the left. No response. > > o I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked. > Doesn't fix the problem. > > o I reboot the PC. No change. > > o Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to > . Nope, >still garners no response > > o I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the > problem isn't the command, it's >that the keystroke isn't being sent. > > o I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that > is mapped to PF21. > > o Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with not . So in Outlook >I mapped both and to the '£' character. Both and > produced '£'. I >conclude the keystroke is being sent. > > I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 > emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it? Any > ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* All comes out even at the end of the day, and all comes out still more > even when all the days are over. -Voltaire */ > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: PF key - one PF key - not responding
On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 12:57:57 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: >This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any response >from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me tell >you what I've tried so far: >... >I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 >emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it? Any >ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely. > Can you sniff the data stream on both the PC and the z? Is the behavior different with a different emulator or PC? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
PF key - one PF key - not responding
This is a really weird one. My key is not getting any response from ISPF, and before you tell me it must be my keyboard or my PC, let me tell you what I've tried so far: In ISPF is assigned the string "rfind" and is assigned the string "rchange". I'm in ISPF Edit and attempt the command "c all agt own", and start hitting in order to find and change selected instances of "agt" to "own". Nothing happens. o I test it by using . The rfind command works fine. o I try using the right shift key instead of the left. No response. o I hit both shift keys a few times, in case one of them has got locked. Doesn't fix the problem. o I reboot the PC. No change. o Maybe there's something wrong with my ISPF change command; I "HELP" to . Nope, still garners no response o I type "rchange" manually on the command line; that works, so the problem isn't the command, it's that the keystroke isn't being sent. o I check the keyboard mapping on my emulation; it claims that is mapped to PF21. o Ok, maybe it's not the keyboard but the PC itself working with . So in Outlook I mapped both and to the '£' character. Both and produced '£'. I conclude the keystroke is being sent. I'm out of ideas. If the keystroke is being sent by my PC, and the 3270 emulation is converting it to , why does ISPF not respond to it? Any ideas out there? I'll take anything, at this point, no matter how unlikely. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* All comes out even at the end of the day, and all comes out still more even when all the days are over. -Voltaire */ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
