Re: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules in CICS

2022-02-23 Thread venkat rao bandaru 
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this.
It is interesting. Since CICS can have 100s of regions and each region may
have a unique load address, it is almost impossible to set SLIP
IF(Instruction Fetch) automatically across the regions. I understand it is
not advisable or may not be often required to set SLIPs in all the regions.
But still it is interesting why IBM CICS has decided to not support SLIP
PVTMOD/EP.  Probably performance(updating control blocks) and storage at
play.


On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 2:41 PM Binyamin Dissen 
wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 09:16:59 -0400 Peter Relson  wrote:
>
> :>I would hope that CICS provides a way for a customer to "learn" the
> :>address range for a particular CICS-managed private-area module which in
> :>turn would be what you'd have to use in order to set a SLIP trap to
> :>monitor it.
>
> It does.
>
> CECI LOAD HOLD (so that the address is fixed)
>
> Then an INQ will tell you where it is.
>
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Re: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules in CICS

2022-02-23 Thread Binyamin Dissen 
On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 09:16:59 -0400 Peter Relson  wrote:

:>I would hope that CICS provides a way for a customer to "learn" the 
:>address range for a particular CICS-managed private-area module which in 
:>turn would be what you'd have to use in order to set a SLIP trap to 
:>monitor it.

It does.

CECI LOAD HOLD (so that the address is fixed)

Then an INQ will tell you where it is.

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Re: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules in CICS

2022-02-23 Thread Peter Relson 
To add to my previous post,

I would hope that CICS provides a way for a customer to "learn" the 
address range for a particular CICS-managed private-area module which in 
turn would be what you'd have to use in order to set a SLIP trap to 
monitor it.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design


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Re: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules in CICS

2022-02-21 Thread Mike Schwab 
https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/cics-ts/5.5?topic=applications-debugging-profiles

Debugging profiles

A debugging profile specifies a set of one or more application
programs which are to be debugged together.

For example:

All instances of program PYRL01 running in system CICS1
All Java™ classes with names beginning “ setBankAccount ”
All programs with names beginning “'PYRL'” run by user APPDEV02

On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 7:42 PM Lars Höglund  wrote:
>
> Debugging?
>
> -Ursprungligt meddelande-
> Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  För Mike Schwab
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> Ämne: Re: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules in 
> CICS
>
> CEMT is the CICS debugging command.
>
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 4:15 PM venkat rao bandaru  wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the information.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 4:55 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, SLIP relies on MVS control blocks to locate modules. If there
> > > is no CDE or LPDE then SLIP has not way of locating the module by
> > > name. If you're licensed, you might ask the CICS support people at
> > > IBM how to trace in modules loaded by CICS.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on
> > > behalf of venkat rao bandaru [venck...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 10:34 AM
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load
> > > modules in CICS
> > >
> > > Yes, that's correct. The modules are loaded by CICS.
> > >
> > > I read somewhere that SLIP scans CDE(Content Directory Entry
> > >  > > >) table for module information. Is it possible, CICS Load does not
> > > add entry to CDE ? This is just my speculation though.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 4:20 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would guess that you're debugging a module that CICS has loaded
> > > > itself rather than loading via MVS contents supervision.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> > > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on
> > > > behalf of venkat rao bandaru [venck...@gmail.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 9:52 AM
> > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > > Subject: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load
> > > > modules in CICS
> > > >
> > > > Greetings!
> > > >
> > > > Can you please share your experience around why SLIP IF/SA with
> > > > PVTMOD/EP would not detect the load module in my CICS region ? Any
> > > > SIT parameters
> > > in
> > > > play ?
> > > >
> > > > SLIP IF/SA with PVTMOD/EP works for load modules in batch jobs.
> > > >
> > > > I have to use RANGE with absolute address to hit the SLIP, which
> > > > is a concern for me. Please share if you have such experience and
> > > > work
> > > arounds.
> > > > Thank you in advance!
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules in CICS

2022-02-21 Thread Mike Schwab 
CEMT is the CICS debugging command.

On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 4:15 PM venkat rao bandaru  wrote:
>
> Thank you for the information.
>
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 4:55 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
> > Yes, SLIP relies on MVS control blocks to locate modules. If there is no
> > CDE or LPDE then SLIP has not way of locating the module by name. If you're
> > licensed, you might ask the CICS support people at IBM how to trace in
> > modules loaded by CICS.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
> >
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
> > of venkat rao bandaru [venck...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 10:34 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules
> > in CICS
> >
> > Yes, that's correct. The modules are loaded by CICS.
> >
> > I read somewhere that SLIP scans CDE(Content Directory Entry
> > )
> > table for module information. Is it possible, CICS Load does not add entry
> > to CDE ? This is just my speculation though.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 4:20 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:
> >
> > > I would guess that you're debugging a module that CICS has loaded itself
> > > rather than loading via MVS contents supervision.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
> > > of venkat rao bandaru [venck...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 9:52 AM
> > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules in
> > > CICS
> > >
> > > Greetings!
> > >
> > > Can you please share your experience around why SLIP IF/SA with PVTMOD/EP
> > > would not detect the load module in my CICS region ? Any SIT parameters
> > in
> > > play ?
> > >
> > > SLIP IF/SA with PVTMOD/EP works for load modules in batch jobs.
> > >
> > > I have to use RANGE with absolute address to hit the SLIP, which is a
> > > concern for me. Please share if you have such experience and work
> > arounds.
> > > Thank you in advance!
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best Regards
> > > *Venkat*
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Re: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules in CICS

2022-02-21 Thread Binyamin Dissen 
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 15:52:01 +0100 venkat rao bandaru 
wrote:

:>Can you please share your experience around why SLIP IF/SA with PVTMOD/EP
:>would not detect the load module in my CICS region ? Any SIT parameters in
:>play ?

:>SLIP IF/SA with PVTMOD/EP works for load modules in batch jobs.

:>I have to use RANGE with absolute address to hit the SLIP, which is a
:>concern for me. Please share if you have such experience and work arounds.
:>Thank you in advance!

Do a LOAD HOLD and ask CICS for the address. That, of course, assumes that you
are using CICS services to call the module.

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Re: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules in CICS

2022-02-21 Thread venkat rao bandaru 
Thank you for the information.

On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 4:55 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> Yes, SLIP relies on MVS control blocks to locate modules. If there is no
> CDE or LPDE then SLIP has not way of locating the module by name. If you're
> licensed, you might ask the CICS support people at IBM how to trace in
> modules loaded by CICS.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
> of venkat rao bandaru [venck...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 10:34 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules
> in CICS
>
> Yes, that's correct. The modules are loaded by CICS.
>
> I read somewhere that SLIP scans CDE(Content Directory Entry
> )
> table for module information. Is it possible, CICS Load does not add entry
> to CDE ? This is just my speculation though.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 4:20 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
> > I would guess that you're debugging a module that CICS has loaded itself
> > rather than loading via MVS contents supervision.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
> >
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
> > of venkat rao bandaru [venck...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 9:52 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules in
> > CICS
> >
> > Greetings!
> >
> > Can you please share your experience around why SLIP IF/SA with PVTMOD/EP
> > would not detect the load module in my CICS region ? Any SIT parameters
> in
> > play ?
> >
> > SLIP IF/SA with PVTMOD/EP works for load modules in batch jobs.
> >
> > I have to use RANGE with absolute address to hit the SLIP, which is a
> > concern for me. Please share if you have such experience and work
> arounds.
> > Thank you in advance!
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards
> > *Venkat*
> >
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Re: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules in CICS

2022-02-21 Thread Seymour J Metz 
Yes, SLIP relies on MVS control blocks to locate modules. If there is no CDE or 
LPDE then SLIP has not way of locating the module by name. If you're licensed, 
you might ask the CICS support people at IBM how to trace in modules loaded by 
CICS.


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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


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venkat rao bandaru [venck...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 10:34 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules in 
CICS

Yes, that's correct. The modules are loaded by CICS.

I read somewhere that SLIP scans CDE(Content Directory Entry
)
table for module information. Is it possible, CICS Load does not add entry
to CDE ? This is just my speculation though.


On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 4:20 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> I would guess that you're debugging a module that CICS has loaded itself
> rather than loading via MVS contents supervision.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
> of venkat rao bandaru [venck...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 9:52 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules in
> CICS
>
> Greetings!
>
> Can you please share your experience around why SLIP IF/SA with PVTMOD/EP
> would not detect the load module in my CICS region ? Any SIT parameters in
> play ?
>
> SLIP IF/SA with PVTMOD/EP works for load modules in batch jobs.
>
> I have to use RANGE with absolute address to hit the SLIP, which is a
> concern for me. Please share if you have such experience and work arounds.
> Thank you in advance!
>
>
> --
> Best Regards
> *Venkat*
>
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Re: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules in CICS

2022-02-21 Thread venkat rao bandaru 
Yes, that's correct. The modules are loaded by CICS.

I read somewhere that SLIP scans CDE(Content Directory Entry
)
table for module information. Is it possible, CICS Load does not add entry
to CDE ? This is just my speculation though.


On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 4:20 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> I would guess that you're debugging a module that CICS has loaded itself
> rather than loading via MVS contents supervision.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf
> of venkat rao bandaru [venck...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 9:52 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules in
> CICS
>
> Greetings!
>
> Can you please share your experience around why SLIP IF/SA with PVTMOD/EP
> would not detect the load module in my CICS region ? Any SIT parameters in
> play ?
>
> SLIP IF/SA with PVTMOD/EP works for load modules in batch jobs.
>
> I have to use RANGE with absolute address to hit the SLIP, which is a
> concern for me. Please share if you have such experience and work arounds.
> Thank you in advance!
>
>
> --
> Best Regards
> *Venkat*
>
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Re: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules in CICS

2022-02-21 Thread Seymour J Metz 
I would guess that you're debugging a module that CICS has loaded itself rather 
than loading via MVS contents supervision.


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Subject: Why SLIP PVTMOD/PVT EP does not work for Private load modules in CICS

Greetings!

Can you please share your experience around why SLIP IF/SA with PVTMOD/EP
would not detect the load module in my CICS region ? Any SIT parameters in
play ?

SLIP IF/SA with PVTMOD/EP works for load modules in batch jobs.

I have to use RANGE with absolute address to hit the SLIP, which is a
concern for me. Please share if you have such experience and work arounds.
Thank you in advance!


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