Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Cranky cellphone.
On 08/31/2012 03:52 PM, Jesse Francis wrote: Recently, my cell's (Nokia 2730c) behaving totally mysteriously. It used to work normal everywhere, but these days, it shows range only under certain towers, for example, the second I cross mamablam coming from nungambakam side, the signal just goes off to zero bar. Same happens when I cross Marina, where it shows full range and it goes zero once I reach Santhome. It doesn't work anywhere else in Tamil Nadu. But it works fine once I reach Pondicherry. First I thought its issue with the SIM or provider(BSNL), but I tried using it in another Samsung phone at Tambaram, its working perfectly fine. Then I thought its got to do with cell's antennas, some frequency issues, since both 2G and 3G(WCDMA) are not working, but l8r I realised that even when there's no range, my internet's working super fine. (infact, i'm sending this mail from my cell, from Tambaram, and cell's showing zero range, no calls, messages allowed.) Third reason I thought was that its some issue with software, S40, and I reinstalled OS and still its all same. Not OS, not provider, not hardware, then where's it failing? Any explanations? This happens quite often on my phone as well. Atleast, in my phone, this is due to switching between UMTS (WCDMA) and GSM ie., 3G and 2G. While I am browsing, everything will be fine until it goes to 0 bars and comes back with full signal. The full signal is actually with GSM/EDGE. To test this theory, I disabled UMTS on my phone and this was no longer happening. Without UMTS, I get full signal almost all the time. But then I was able to browse only at EDGE speed instead of HSDPA. So, I have reverted back to the old configuration with UMTS enabled. As the 3G coverage improves, this problem should go away over the years. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Cranky cellphone.
On 08/31/2012 09:03 PM, Jesse Francis wrote: This happens quite often on my phone as well. Atleast, in my phone, this is due to switching between UMTS (WCDMA) and GSM ie., 3G and 2G. I know that, and I usually use only 2G or 3G, never work with dual mode becz of it. My issue is different it goes zero beyond some place and never comes back even while its in coverage area!! :) Hard to say whats going on. In my case, when I change the mode on the phone to WCDMA (3G) only, it loses signal very often. And, at times, takes upto 5-10 mins to find the signal back. So, I tend to prefer this dual mode. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] I love ruby - copyright
Who cares, if one does successful work, there are ten to bark. If I keep throwing stones on every dog that barks, I may never reach destination. Please don't compare members on this mailing list to dogs. It is insulting. So I will continue with my work. If you want, take it, else close your eyes. We must forget about this copyright and must have a culture of sharing. Else we will end up like Apple and Samsung. No-one wants to see anything like Apple vs Samsung, including some judges. For the simple reason that it is petty and there are better things to do. Following is an article by US Federal judge after dismissing the Apple vs Motorola case. http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/07/why-there-are-too-many-patents-in-america/259725/ But we cannot forget about copyright, this is the way the world works. So, We have created our own copyright ie., copyleft which gives us freedom within the system. So, my only suggestion is, don't ignore copyright because people looking at your work won't. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [opinion]Dear Gnome devs: Please stop trashing Gnome!
On 08/01/2012 05:46 PM, Balachandran Sivakumar wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Tushar Rishabadas tushar.rishaba...@gmail.com wrote: http://alexcabal.com/dear-gnome-devs-please-stop-trashing-gnome I am not very sure what he is trying to say. But these past few days, I have moved away from Gnome to Fluxbox. And I am finding it really wonderful. It is extremely customisable and very very light. Haven't tried Fluxbox but I am going back to Gnome2's reincarnation MATE from Fedora 18. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTE1MDI -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] URL you requested has been blocked as per DOT guidelines
I am trying to open the following URL, http://pastebin.com/vjpbm8XH , on my Aircel 3G and I get the following error, The URL you requested has been blocked as per DOT guidelines The page you have requested has been blocked, because the URL is banned.1 URL = pastebin.com/vjpbm8XH Anyone know what these DOT guidelines are ? Apparently, it looks like the whole pastebin site it blocked. On a side note, Please don't suggest ways to circumvent the block, I am not interested. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] dual boot success
On 07/16/2012 10:49 AM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: one reason why I need more distros is that my bsnl data card has not worked for me after fedora 12. It does not work in mint either. So I am looking for a distro in which it will work. Most likely a kernel/driver issue. I face similar problems with several of my hardware components and I just stay on 2-3 yr old distributions. May be if we compile the kernel/modules from older versions and install it with the newer distributions, it might work. On a side note, this kinda indicates that MS is no longer the only one who drops support for older hardware on releasing a newer version. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: Fw: How to boot the system in Single user mode
On 07/11/2012 01:35 PM, naveen kumar wrote: 1) I am trying exercise about “how to boot the system in Single user mode on Centos' 6.0'”. I am using Acer Extensa 4620 laptop Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T550 @ 1.83GHZ. I referred many webites, But I couldn’t find clearly about how to boot it using single user mode on Centos. Please help me. GNU/Linux can be run in various modes termed as runlevels. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel#Linux single user mode is runlevel 1. To change run levels, we use the command init. For example, to change to runlevel 1, run the following from command prompt (as root). init 1 To boot into run level 1, you need to modify your kernel line in grub configuration. Just add 1 anywhere in the kernel line and you will boot into single user mode. 2) Why do I need to practice using CentOS instead of RHEL? CentOS and RHEL contain same packages but RHEL is a paid version for which you get commercial support. With CentOS, you get community support. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] best practices for backup and restore on upgrading
On 07/07/2012 01:12 PM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: my reinstallation went well - did not lose any data or valuable information. One hiccup - firefox sync did not work as I had omitted to pair my old installation so did not have the key to open with my new install. But I just copied my old .mozilla directory to the new install and got all my passwords and bookmarks. So now I am on Fedora 17 - as usual everything worked out of the box except mobile broadband which has never worked since fedora 12. I am also on Fedora 12 and looking for an upgrade. I have tried Fedora 17 and couldn't get beyond the Gnome 3 madness, did you get your Gnome 3 to work to your liking ? -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Blog on Apple Products
On 07/06/2012 01:41 PM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 08:57 +0530, 0 wrote: IMO, The article was more about Apple and its IP policy in general. The comments sections in the article throw more light on this. Although an interesting read, I thought it was OT. I could be wrong. depends on the definition OT for this group. The group is not a homogeneous group with a single well defined aim. It is a loose alliance of several different types of focus. I see it like this: 1. It is a linux users' group - so obviously any discussion of linux and linux based stuff is not OT. 2. We have a large number of adherents to the Free Software movement, so any discussion of this - including discussions of the wider concerns of the Free Software Movement like DRM etc is not OT. 3. We also have a large number of Open Source enthusiasts - so discussion of these topics, including the ongoing debate between open source and free software is also on topic. 4. In addition we have users of various BSD and unix flavours. 5. As a consequence of the above, discussion of any open source language, toolkit and framework is also ok. 6. And advocacy of all the above also implies that criticism of companies and ideas that are contrary to the above is also on topic. I would say that the post under consideration falls fairly under points 2 and 6 above and is not OT. I agree with you that the above mentioned points are relevant to the list in some way, but where do we draw the line ? I am sure, there are going to a bunch of news articles every day on DRM, patents, copyright etc. For example, the recent controversy over Blizzard and Diablo III on GNU/Linux (over wine), http://www.gamepolitics.com/2012/07/03/updated-diablo-iii-linux-users-banned-blizzard-using-wine Because, GNU/Linux users are affected, one can claim it to be relevant to the list but I just consider it to be news and would add an [OT] tag. IMO, The reason for [OT] tag is to help members in the list to skip emails of least importance/relevance and to enable discussions which are subjective without any end goal. Just my 2 cents. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Blog on Apple Products
On 07/06/2012 03:43 PM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 15:36 +0530, 0 wrote: I am sure, there are going to a bunch of news articles every day on DRM, patents, copyright etc. For example, the recent controversy over Blizzard and Diablo III on GNU/Linux (over wine), this would be relevant to most of us http://www.gamepolitics.com/2012/07/03/updated-diablo-iii-linux-users-banned-blizzard-using-wine this link seems to be going to some soft porn site for me Really? It seems to be working fine for me. Unless you are on MS Windows, it is most likely due to your DNS server. You should check/change your DNS server settings. Try the following link which uses the IP directly, http://174.143.7.233/2012/07/03/updated-diablo-iii-linux-users-banned-blizzard-using-wine -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Blog on Apple Products
On 07/05/2012 11:00 PM, A. Mani wrote: http://www.berkeleylug.com/?p=1045 Informative. [OT] tag please. RMS summarized it the best on Steve Jobs death by quoting a Chicago Mayor, I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Blog on Apple Products
On 07/06/2012 08:05 AM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 07:38 +0530, 0 wrote: On 07/05/2012 11:00 PM, A. Mani wrote: http://www.berkeleylug.com/?p=1045 Informative. [OT] tag please. what is OT about it? IMO, The article was more about Apple and its IP policy in general. The comments sections in the article throw more light on this. Although an interesting read, I thought it was OT. I could be wrong. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Power button option missing
I installed gnome panel in my Ubuntu 12.04 to customize the desktop appearance. After few days I can’t able to see the power button, date and network connection gui in the panel. In the login screen, If I change the option from Gnome-GUI to unity it restores to default GUI screen of Ubuntu. I googled this error and getting solution like right click the panel and add the Indicator menu option. But in my pc if I right click the panel nothing happens. This is probably a stupid suggestion. But, nevertheless, Did you try Alt + right-click ? I read somewhere about using Alt + right-click for Gnome-3, or was it Ctrl + right-click ? Anyways, try one of them, it may work. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] on the lighter side
http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/13/kogan-hates-ie7-so-much-its-imposing-a-tax-on-all-shoppers-that-use-the-browser/ [OT] Please. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting
Mostly those who try to insist on following the guidelines are trying to educate and not to discipline. Why should some one waste time doing that and is it too much to expect people to give themselves better chances of getting helped? So do we put top posters under moderation? Moderation will just kill the list, we shouldn't even think about such a thing. IMO, It is no big deal if someone top posts in the mailing list but continuing to do so after knowing the mailing list guidelines is something to be frowned upon. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Power button option missing
I installed gnome panel in my Ubuntu 12.04 to customize the desktop appearance. After few days I can’t able to see the power button, date and network connection gui in the panel. In the login screen, If I change the option from Gnome-GUI to unity it restores to default GUI screen of Ubuntu. I googled this error and getting solution like right click the panel and add the Indicator menu option. But in my pc if I right click the panel nothing happens. This is probably a stupid suggestion. But, nevertheless, Did you try Alt +right-click ? I read somewhere about using Alt +right-click for Gnome-3, or was it Ctrl +right-click ? Anyways, try one of them, it may work. Thanks for the info. The key worked for me is Alt+Super(Window key)+Rightclick. Ah ok. Thanks for posting the correct key combination. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting
In reply to your comment, I am top posting here. Don't do this, read my other comment below. Thanks for sharing link. I didn't know about top/bottom posting and started mailing to this mailing list without reading guidelines properly. My sincere apologies. I have selected few relevant lines from Kenneth's post from my thunderbird and hit reply to post, am I doing right? Or am I still doing top posting? Please guide. This is bottom posting. Since, my comment is below your original text, it is easier for people to follow and it visually indicates that it is in reply to your original text. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux
Similarly hardware companies that ship machines with linux are persuaded to use terms like 'we ship with ubuntu' or 'we ship with android' rather than say 'we ship with linux'. I will not go into how the distros that disown Linux also fail to contribute back to the community ... this is too well known. So let us promote - and encourage others to promote - Linux (or, if you so desire GNU/Linux. In my opinion, fragmenting the Linux brand as Ubuntu or Android or other brands is a good thing. For long, one person has embezzled the credit for the work of the entire community. GNU has contributed the most to the base system. But it should be mentioned that, the most commonly used softwares such as email clients, web browsers, web servers, multimedia editing/viewing, gaming, GUI shell (kde) and so on are contributed by a vast and diverse section of the community. Even though, I support RMS on GNU/Linux name, to fully represent the end product, the name should be totally random or a representation of the community as a whole. I would say promote Linux as a product but not as a brand. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] 3 days FDP program at AMS college
A 3 day FDP program on FOSS syllabus as per Anna University, Chennai was conducted in Aalim Mohammed Salegh College of Engg, Avadi. On 26-6-2012 Baskar Selvaraj covered package management, virtualisation and networking. On 27-6-2012 I covered perl and mysql. K.Baskar covered python gtk,qt and gambas On 28-6-2012 Ravi Jaya covered PHP, compiling kernel About 25 faculty members from various colleges attended the program. Entire session was hands on. Great Work. I hope the trained faculty become active members in the ilugc mailing list. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] 3 days FDP program at AMS college
Great Work. I hope the trained faculty become active members in the ilugc mailing list. Hope you are not kidding, at least I guess, they should be passive participants in the LUG. I wasn't kidding. I just think, their contribution to the list will be invaluable, even if non-technical, since they have direct contact with the students. I don't expect them to be super active but just emailing once in a while should be no harm. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux
The context in this post is the huge financial and propaganda effort being put in by Microsoft to prevent the spread of linux (or call it open source or foss) - it is not the ongoing quarrel between various people on the assignment of credit for creating parts of the open source software ecosystem. If you want to have a thread on that subject feel free to start your own. I apologize for trying to take the thread in a different direction, It was not intentional. When I read your interesting opinion on Ubuntu/Android and how Microsoft might have had a hand in them not using the term Linux, the first thing that popped into my head was Its a good thing (debatable, of course). And, I misread the subject of the email as why it is important to promote linux (brand). Microsoft's efforts to prevent the spread of Linux has died down a bit in the last few years. Even Microsoft Azure cloud service now offers GNU/Linux as a choice of virtual machine, http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/microsoft-run-linux-azure-195068 I am sure many of us have tried to promote GNU/Linux through word of mouth but that works only to a certain extent. I would say promote Linux as a product but not as a brand. whatever this means What that means is, the word Linux is not important. Promote the features, softwares, and the freedom that GNU/Linux offers. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Thunderbird mail client work behind the proxy or not
The Server having two nic cards, one card is having the ipaddress as 192.168.1.4 and the other one is having the ipaddress as 192.168.2.55.All client systems having the ipaddress range 192.168.2.0/24,and the client system are accessing the internet through squid proxy.Now i want to configure the Mozilla thunderbird in all client systems.But it cannot accessing through squid proxy. Now i made the proxy as transparent,still it was not working and i also done the NAT through iptables by iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.2.55:3128 iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 What is your Thunderbird configuration ? Do you expect thunderbird to contact SMTP/IMAP/POP3 servers on port 80 ? Typically, SMTP/IMAP/POP3 servers run on a non-80 port. Unless, you configure thunderbird to use a HTTP tunnel, by specifying a proxy. Have you done that ? If your proxy supports HTTP tunneling, you should test whether tunneling works on the destination host/port in question. Refer to the following link to run your test, http://www.anta.net/misc/telnet-troubleshooting/http-proxy.shtml Unfortunately, I don't have a proxy setup right now to give you the steps myself but I am sure the link above should suffice. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Net Traffic Log
Is there a way to keep track of the network traffic through all the different interface devices in my system. Or a library to do so, I want to create a log that store the total size of file transfered since the script or program starts running. By default, iptables keeps track of the number of bytes and packets for each rule. You can use the option -vx to display them. In your case, based on what the script does, you can add an iptables rules matching the network activity which will keep track of number of bytes and packets. You can reset the counters using -Z option. Here is a sample output from iptables, $ sudo iptables -vxnL INPUT|tr -s ' '|cut -d -f14,2-4|tr ' ' '\t' pktsbytes target 623 51632 ACCEPT 111 6362ACCEPT 77 4620ACCEPT 13454 805868 ACCEPT dpt:22 3500182164 ACCEPT dpt:15025 166 9936ACCEPT dpt:15465 1 60 ACCEPT dpt:15587 3768199107 ACCEPT dpt:15993 3417176023 REJECT The article below may help, it seems to talk about traffic accounting with iptables, http://www.catonmat.net/blog/traffic-accounting-with-iptables/ -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Microsoft, the US government and StuxNet
I really didn't know what title to give to this news: Well, the first thing to add would be [OT] :D http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/06/15/1614219/us-security-services-may-have-moles-within-microsoft-says-researcher It is well understood, even in 2010, that the sabotage attempt on Iran's nuclear programme was an effort of either US or Israel. It is improper for me to comment further on such political issues but my hope is that India (our beloved nation) does something about it. DRDO should atleast modify GNU/Linux to suit their needs, I don't know whether BOSS is such an attempt. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [OT] Pocket Island : Open Source HTML5 game
http://www.wooga.com/labs/ http://wooga.github.com/Pocket-Island/ You can find the news here, http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/80876 -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] packets and TCP
A packet on the network looks like a train. The engine is the packet header. Then the different layers are like the compartments and the Ethernet trailer is like the guard compartment. Obviously without the engine the train is useless. I like this analogy. Easy to remember and simple. In the case of packets on the Internet WAN path, packets are small. Normally 256 bytes or something to account for the MTUs of the physical links. Atleast in ADSL, the MTU on an Internet path is quite close to the MTU on a local ethernet. One can use traceroute to find it, $ traceroute --mtu 8.8.8.8 | cut -d -f1-2,6- 1 1.411 ms F=1500 1.425 ms 1.319 ms 2 2.403 ms 2.253 ms 2.256 ms 3 3.380 ms 3.262 ms 3.276 ms 4 35.600 ms F=1460 36.049 ms 35.662 ms 5 35.964 ms 36.442 ms 36.002 ms 6 36.333 ms 35.301 ms 35.725 ms 7 61.767 ms 61.721 ms 62.017 ms 8 65.059 ms 61.646 ms 62.070 ms 9 36.790 ms 37.032 ms 37.538 ms 10 39.013 ms 41.111 ms 38.754 ms In the above case F=1460 indicates an MTU of 1460 on the internet hop. And every TCP connection involves 3 packet exchanges before the first byte of payload is sent. Syn, ACK and ACK ACK or something. I have seen with netcat that whenever there is a port forwarding, NAT or some other issue, the handshake fails. I am not sure if I understand. It will help if you can elaborate on what you have noticed which leads to the failure in TCP handshake. An interesting article. Thanks. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] the vi editor
joe is there - so is nano -- The vi editor is a very distinct part of UNIX ideology. However it may be, every editor (or software) has it merits and demerits. Haven't heard of joe or nano before, seems like a good time to try it. It is interesting, I neither knew, joe has been available since 1988, nor did I know, nano comes preinstalled on my fedora. You simply cannot escape it. Of course I am talking about real UNIX which nobody in LUG seems to know. They only know Ubuntu, Redhat or Suse or some commercial Linux meant for beginners. Again, please stop generalizing your opinions. You are not the only person in the list who knows real UNIX, as you term it. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Modem updates or Hardening Guidelines
I have always wondered that the ubuntu machine which I work with receives lots of security updates, if so why not the modems which we use as it is direcly on the line of fire. Are there any tips to harden the Modem which we get from the local ISP ? If you are looking for updates, you can find firmware updates from the manufacturers site. But if you are really paranoid, you should buy a ADSL modem and flash it with one of the community built firmware which supports lot more features. Although, you should know, you can brick you device if something goes wrong while flashing the ROM (including power cuts). A few years back, I risked my old modem for installing dd-wrt and it has been working flawlessly ever since. http://www.dd-wrt.com/ http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/support/router-database There are a few other firmwares such as OpenWrt and tomato but I don't have much idea about them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenWrt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato_(firmware) -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] How to burn a CD/DVD with?
There are few classes of data, which are being carried in the disks, but must be prevented from being copied. For instance, Personal photos which I can store on a disk as a memory of some occassion, which I may show people but, not allow them to copy! Anything that can be read by a computer can be copied. You just have to decide how much security you are okay with. Even though your presence might stop an individual from copying content. You may never know what the computer is running, which could take periodic backups in the background. The only way to protect anything from being copied by an individual is to plant it directly in their brain. I don't think such a technology exists yet, so we might just have to live with a small fraction of people copying the content. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Why these emails, Girish? (Was Re: the vi editor)
One of the interesting things about this list is this series of monologue-mode gyaan mails from Girish. I wonder if there is some history behind these, etc. Or does the list serve as a brain dump area for the current 'regulars'. Just curious, nothing else. I think, Girish started these emails with a [TIP] tag in the subject, to share some of what he has learnt with the list, which is great. Now that the [TIP] tag has disappeared, his emails remain. Although, IMO, recently his emails deviate in part from a technical viewpoint to a subjective viewpoint, which invariable brings in other members to the discussion. I hope, there are beginners in the list who benefit from his emails and the following discussions. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Modem updates or Hardening Guidelines
I am unable to see any of Beetle modem on http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/support/router-database Looks like dd-wrt is only for ethernet routers/modem and they don't seem to support combo devices which do DSL, I could be wrong here. http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=452901 You can use the Beetle modem for DSL and configure it to support PPPoE relay or as a bridge, which ever is applicable. Then you can use an ethernet router with PPPoE to configure your internet and connect the uplink on the router to your beetel modem via a ethernet cable. I feel, this is more than what you asked for but this is what comes to my mind since dd-wrt doesn't support ADSL modems. I think, the same is the discussion in the above link. A few years back, I risked my old modem for installing dd-wrt and it has been working flawlessly ever since. If you don't mind can you tell me (aside) what is the modem which you are using. I have an old Linksys modem (before it was acquired by Cisco) WRT150n, I don't think, you get these anymore. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_routers#WRT150N http://homesupport.cisco.com/en-us/wireless/lbc/WRT150N Newer models in the WRT54 series like WRT54GL run Linux themselves and might be easier to flash, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series#WRT54GL -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [OT] RMS - Passport/Laptop/Medicine stolen
For those who don't follow slashdot, Here is the link to the article, http://www.devthought.com/2012/06/09/richard-stallman-robbed-in-argentina/ -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hello every one
Become a programmer, everyone in LUG wants to do admin stuff. Are you born slaves? This is such a moronic comment. Ignored. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hello every one
[Response Inline] I am having doubts regading on linux admin.. 1.Is it possible,could i change my admin career to php,perl,python,ruby programmer? 2.Could anyone point out the importance of linux admin? 3.How would be the packages for linux admin when compared to the perl,python,php,ruby programmer? 4.if i had got 1 year experience as linux admin,what was skills i should know? In my experience, linux system administrators *are* expected to know scripting language especially perl and shell-scripting. So by learning perl/python/php/ruby, you are not changing your career but improving the existing one. So, go ahead and learn it today. Being a linux system administrator has its advantages and disadvantages, like in any other career. I am guessing, you haven't got challenging work yet. I have a few friends who manage a few hundred machines across 4-5 continents and go to sleep with their pager. You are really on the line of fire, if something goes wrong and company is losing revenue, you will be the first man on the scene. Then comes the management/developer/tester etc. Trust me, starting out, few years is frustrating in any career. Hang in there and do your best, things will fall in place. In the meantime, keep learning something new, even if it can help you only a little. PS: I am not a system administrator. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hello every one
My understanding of his statement is Don't work for someone, start your own company. If my understanding is correct, I don't think that is moronic. Just that many people(myself included) do not want to take that risk. Unfortunately, That is not what I understood. I felt offended because it sounded more like an attack on system administrators. And, may be you just want to counter everything that Girish writes. And, may be his statement is too cryptic for some people to understand. Thanks This is a *gross* misunderstanding. I apologize to Girish, if he felt offended. We might have difference in opinions at times but I respect his work and contribution to the list. I have nothing against him, please avoid such negative statements. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order
You can setup a VPN connection to a US machine and browse the sites. ;) Or get BSNL connection :). -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Career Building Program – 1
*Open Source Career Building Program – 1* *In two years you will get from* *Anna University: *Masters degree: M.Sc., (FOSS) *Amachu Infrasoft Services: *Mentorship, on Job Training, Study Environment Career** I am going to assume that this is not a free service. In which case, please add [commercial] tag to your email. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order
Does it mean that C0urt_order does not apply to BeeYesNL ? AFAIK, They just don't implement it. The person who obtained the order, in a way, implements it for their customers and customers of some of their competitors. I doubt, they would dare to question BSNL. Of course, this is just my opinion. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Indian Court Order
Well in the recent case, there was an court order obtained by copyrightlabs and it has been implemented by all ISPs including BSNL and MTNL. In fact ISPs like Reliance and Airtel have removed the bans but MTNL atleast still continues. See http://www.medianama.com/2012/03/223-producers-of-tamil-film-3-get-court-order-making-isps-responsible-for-checking-piracy/ And these stupid ISPs pretty much blocked whole of legal sites like pastebin, again it still continues on my MTNL connection. I guess, these ISPs have just gone wild and blocked a lot of things even the ones not in the court order. Apparently, as per the hindu article, this is a mistake and was not intended. http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article3429836.ece Harish Ram, CEO, Copyright Labs, hired by producers of the movie 3, R K Productions Private Limited, for the online anti-piracy management of the movie, said that the ISPs had misinterpreted the order. “Instead of blocking specific URLs that were screening the movie, they blocked the whole sites,” he said.. I wonder if there is a clause in the court order to remove the block after a specific period of time. IMO, the ISPs might just forget to remove the block and its us who face problems in the end. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [ILugC][JOB][Commercial] CSS Corp. needs a Network Engineer
As an ex- employee of this company it is a good place to learn many technologies. you will get ample exposure to learn different technologies.. but I dont recommend this company for long run or a career grwoth. You should have stopped your email at this first paragraph, it is short and conveys your message. Every company has someone or the other who has faced problems. It should be shared/discussed in an objective manner in the appropriate mailing lists. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What companies look for in engineers
Unfortunately today our nation is so full of the American MBA bullshit ideology that people no longer look at technology and engineering as being viable and honorable options to do well in life. How much ever true your post might be, this is not a venting/ranting mailing list. Please take this topic elsewhere. You might also want to read through the mailing list guidelines, http://www.ilugc.in/content/mailinglist-guidelines 3. Do not troll in the mailing list Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu 10.04 Black Screen on Bootup
I had started using Ubuntu as my main OS and of late I have seen while booting 10.04 it just shows a black screen I have to press the power button once again and then power button once again to get it up an running, I browsed the net and landed on the link which is shown below. They have asked me to replace quite and splash with nomodeset, which I did and my ubuntu does boot up, however while booting up now it shows lots of text scrolling past the screen while it is booting. Is this normal ? Since the OS shows black screen almost once in a day I need to wait for a couple of more days to know for sure if it is completely fixed. #Added by BALA on 2-Jun-2012 as per http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2010/05/06/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup-workaround/ GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=nomodeset #GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=quiet splash It is normal to see the scrolling text. Only in the last 5 years, they have added the splash image. Personally, I prefer the text to make sure all services have started up okay. If you are up for some experimentation, you can try to set the value to, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=nomodeset quiet and see what happens. Without a splash image, I don't know what you will see on boot up. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Linux media center
Any recommendations for Linux based media center distros? I know I can search the net for this, but this is one question for which I would prefer an interactive human suggestion from experienced people locally :) It's for my home and it should be able to - Work solely connected to a TV (I can upload content using FTP from my laptop or connect an external hard drive) - Preferably be able to work with a remote (I can build the remote control if its open hardware) - Primarily playback video and audio through VGA out and audio out. - Preferably be able to stream through WiFi/LAN to Android based tablets and other PCs Have you tried xbmc ? http://xbmc.org/about/ -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Govt of India proposes to ban SSH (Or wants you to use 40 bit keys)
http://www.dot.gov.in/isp/guide_international_gateway.htm As the title suggests Guidelines and General Information for Setting Up of International Gateways for Internet, they are merely guidelines. Even if it is enforced, it has to be done in some legal format where the words like individual or group or organization are defined. Besides, restricting RSA does not mean they was to ban SSH, it is of least concern. They are used in SSL which will have a serious impact when it comes to banking. Also, there is *no* 40-bit RSA (usually 512/1028/2048/4096 bits). Using 40-bit RSA key, is like multiplication using 13 or 14 digit numbers, which is ridiculous, you might as well use plain text for that matter. They probably meant 40-bit DES ie., a shared secret encryption. In which case, like 3 DES, you can use four 40-bit keys to achieve a reasonably safe 160-bit encryption, so I am not quite sure what they are trying to achieve. And, the concept of outlawing encryption by the government (entirely) is an age old tactic which is hard to enforce. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptography#Legal_issues -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] IPTABLES features ??
Can any one tell what all things we can do using IPTABLES for hardening of Linux system. In short, the following are the components of iptables, - Tables : filter/nat/mangle/raw--- Each of them have their purpose - Chains : INPUT/OUPUT/FORWARD etc. --- Like a network packet state - Target : ACCEPT/DROP/LOG/REDIRECT --- The action to perform - Matches : connlimit/owner/limit--- Modules for packet matching Now to give an example, one can add a rule saying, Table:filter-Chain:OUTPUT-Match:owner:dipin-Target:DROP The above rule will discard all outgoing packets for owner 'dipin', this is similar to saying deny network access for user 'dipin'. iptables is a complex system, there are several chains and several extensions for Target and Matches. Trying to know all the features of iptables will take time. The better approach would be to sit down and come up with a security policy and implement it using iptables. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [ILugC] Ethical Hacking course
Just found this in the Anna University web site. I was surprised to find that there is an elective paper titled Ethical Hacking Forensics and that the recommended book is by Ankit Fadia. I think this says a lot about the quality of the course itself.. http://cs.annauniv.edu/academic/mecse2009.html The term Ethical Hacking is IMO not a good term : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_definition_controversy I agree. This is a computer security course and the term Hacking is just purely misleading even though it might be attractive to the college students. There should have been a section on History such as the one here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_computer_security_hacker_history IMO, Without understanding the history, It will be hard to understand the purpose of various things in the course. To me, the course seems like an introduction to various terminologies around computer security. I doubt that at the end of the course, any student will be able to crack or secure anything. Just my 2 cents. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Incoming redirection, port forward, DMZ, skype et al
I dunno a single Indian company that is doing web hosting or any hosting of applications with success. Even if you take God forsaken Reliance, Airtel, Tata or our own Sarkai BSNL, they all suffer from technical incompetence in equal measure. You are trying to educate folks on the list. Passing value judgements on what others do is in real bad taste. Seems like self aggrandizement as you'd go on late to say how you did it... Humility has its value. +1 A humble request to OP to not include personal opinions intertwined in technical content without explicitly stating it. Please use IMO (or AFAIK etc.) while making such comments. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Service failed during startup
Due to this failure GDM display manager takes nearly 30 seconds to start its service, so i have to wait till i get the login screen. How can i resolve this? i googled for this but unable to find a proper solution. This increases my boot time. If you don't need the service, just disable it. Refer to 'man chkconfig' for details on disabling a system service. It should be as simple as, # chkconfig akmods off -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] X forwarding over reverse ssh
And 0, I tried your solution [N900]$ ssh -R 2:localhost:22 poo@mywebserver [Desktop]$ ssh -t -X poo@mywebserver ssh -X user@localhost -p 2 and got the following. Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host Connection to xxx.xxx.xxx.xx closed I haven't played around with X much so I don't know why that error happens. You should search for it on the web and try various suggestions. My guess is, your xauth is failing for some reason. Did you try running the GUI app directly ? Like in the example below, I try to run firefox instead of getting a shell. ssh -t -X poo@mywebserver ssh -X user@localhost -p 2 firefox If you find a solution, do let us know. It will help. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] SciRuby Summer of Code
We need more summer of code contests for indian students. May be some indian companies can join together and start such contributing contests. Shouldn't they get a break from studies ? Coding/Researching all summer in an organized way sound boring, an unorganized chaos in code is always fun though. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] X forwarding over reverse ssh using Xephyr
ssh -R 2:localhost:22 poo@mywebserver Now I will login to my webserver and run the following to login to N900 ssh user@localhost -p 2 Now I want to login to my N900 and forward X from n900 and want to use it in my desktop. Is there any way to do this? I have done this using xephyr over normal ssh on my ubuntu pc. but I dont know how to do the same using reverse ssh. From my understanding, we have 3 systems here, a desktop, a webserver and N900. Correct me if i am wrong. I am assuming the desktop runs the X11 display which needs to be eventually forwarded to N900. The following commands should work, [N900]$ ssh -R 2:localhost:22 poo@mywebserver [Desktop]$ ssh -t -X poo@mywebserver ssh -X user@localhost -p 2 Hope this helps. Let me know if you face any problems. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Need to know difference between stunnel and SSH tunnel
Could someone please explain me what is the need for stunnel when we can use ssh tunnel $ssh -L :localhost: b...@somemachine.com Here I tried to ssh to b...@somemachine.com and forwarded my localport to the somemachine.com's . I guess this is what even stunnel does. AFAIK, stunnel is used to add SSL functionality to any plain text protocol. For example, let us say, you run a web server on port 80. Now to make you website secure, you can either configure the webserver to run on ssl port 443 as well (or) run stunnel on 443 and configure it to forward to port 80 on localhost. About 3 yrs back, I had benchmarked stunnel vs SSH tunnel for securing data transmission. I remember concluding that stunnel was crap and suggested SSH tunnel. It didn't fly with the security team though for SSH connection can support multiple channels which is a potential security risk (indeed!). Anyways, in the end, we encrypted the data ourselves instead of using either of these. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Need to know difference between stunnel and SSH tunnel
If we make stunnel to run on port 443 to forward connections to port 80 of the http server locally. Will the client have problem speaking with stunnel ? run stunnel on 443 and configure it to forward to port 80 on localhost. The client shouldn't have any problem since stunnel will handle the SSL handshake/encryption while the HTTP protocol will be handled by your webserver over the forwarded connection. CLIENT http/ssl/tcp--- STUNNEL -http/tcp- WEBSERVER NOTE: Read http/ssl/tcp as HTTP over SSL over TCP I did not understand this point, can you kindly explain more. SSH connection can support multiple channels which is a potential security risk (indeed!) While using OpenSSH forwarding, you might notice that you are able to work on a shell as well as support forwarding of multiple connections, even though, the OpenSSH client has established only one connection to the remote host (OpenSSH server). This is because the SSH protocol defines Channels/Session to keep track of various tasks. Security problem arises because the protocol does not define any restriction on opening a channel. Which means, throughout the lifetime of the TCP connection, a channel can be opened for any of the tasks. OpenSSH have extended the protocol which sends a message no-more-sessions to indicate no more channel open requests but when forwarding this cannot be done because you need to accept new connections to be forwarded. No worries if you are unable to clearly understand the above para. It is a little technical. In general, OpenSSH is highly secure but security is not absolute so you just need to go with what you think is acceptable for you. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Who is the user that runs apache webserver ?
I think that www-data is the user that runs the apache webserver for security. But, one thread of apache is owned by root. What is the concept behind it? Why root owns one thread? It is mostly likely running in prefork model. In the following link, look at section How it works. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/prefork.html The short answer to your question is to bind to privileged port 80. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Linux Kernel PID understanding
How to understand kernel PID Understating, I have seen #ps -aux command show all user process and system process will show, I can't find Some PID is not there, How can I see Hidden process numbers To Find perticular PID root ~ # ps -p 100 PID TTY TIME CMD root ~ # ps -p 62 PID TTY TIME CMD root ~ # please guide me guys, give any idea clues. There is *no* hidden process, however a process ID could be consumed by a thread which will be displayed as LWP in ps output. Here is a simple example, # Shows only the process listing. $ ps -p 812 PID TTY TIME CMD 812 ?00:00:00 rsyslogd # List both process and its threads $ ps -Lp 812 PID LWP TTY TIME CMD 812 812 ?00:00:00 rsyslogd 812 814 ?00:00:00 rsyslogd 812 815 ?00:00:00 rsyslogd 812 26014 ?00:00:00 rsyslogd The IDs 814, 815 and 26014 correspond to threads so you cannot use ps -p to list them. A better way to find whether a process is running is to use kill -0 as mentioned below, $ kill -0 813 bash: kill: (813) - No such process $ kill -0 814 bash: kill: (814) - Operation not permitted $ ps -p 814 PID TTY TIME CMD Also, the process IDs run from 1 to 32767 and roll over, so don't be surprised if you see gaps. The gaps just indicate that those processes have exited. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Need to know difference between stunnel and SSH tunnel
Cha my total knowledge damage [?] No worries if you are unable to clearly understand the above para. I am still under the impression that when we port forward only one client can connect to the port forward at a time. If you try it once, your impression will change. Port forwarding does work with multiple clients. If you find some discrepancies, provide us with some details. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Running apache on different port
but in that case the webpages will be served only when i explicitly mention the port no as 81 for eg: http://localhost:81 but what i want to do is that . i want to run apache server at port 81 and want to access the pages without mentioning the port 81 some thing similar to http://localhost Is this possible..? Nope. In simple terms, the address bar format is (protocol)://host[:port]. Port is optional if you are going to use the default port for the associated protocol such port 80 for http. If you don't use the default for the protocol, you have to explicitly specify it. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [FSFTN] Fasting for Freedom of Speech in Internet
We started this hunger strike on 2nd May and we will carry on until we get any satisfactory response from the government and the opposition regarding the annulment of IT Rules-2011 Can someone confirm whether these are the rules they are opposing ? http://www.mit.gov.in/content/notifications GS.R. 782(E) and G.S.R. 783(E) dated 25.10.2011 - Information Technology (Certifying Authorities) Amendment Rules, 2011 (110 KB) PDF GSR 316(E) Dated 11 April 2011: Information Technology (Electronic Service Delivery) Rules, 2011 (75.6 KB) PDF GSR 313(E) Dated 11 April 2011: Information Technology (Resonable Security Practices and procedures and sensitive personal data or information) Rules, 2011 (146 KB) PDF GSR 314(E) Dated 11 April 2011: Information Technology (Intermediaries guidelines) Rules, 2011 (49.4 KB) PDF GSR 315(E) Dated 11 April 2011: Information Technology (Guidelines for Cyber Cafe) Rules, 2011 (45.6 KB) PDF -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [FSFTN] Fasting for Freedom of Speech in Internet
We started this hunger strike on 2nd May and we will carry on until we get any satisfactory response from the government and the opposition regarding the annulment of IT Rules-2011 http://kractivist.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/immediate-release-freedom-fast-third-day-of-hunger-strike-for-internet-freedom/ Please spread and create awareness, we will not get live media coverage for this hunger strike, its up to us to raise voice for our freedom of speech. More information, http://www.internetdemocracy.in/2012/04/20/why-the-it-rules-should-be-annulled/ I think, they are talking about this, http://www.mit.gov.in/sites/upload_files/dit/files/GSR314E_10511(1).pdf It is a 4 page document so read it yourself and form your opinion. IMO, to the most part the document is poorly written. It does not clarify many things when it comes to procedures, unless they are mentioned in the original IT act. I am no lawyer, so I don't know. It is difficult to tell how these rules will play out, they might just collapse on themselves for not having any particular structure. Nevertheless, I am glad to hear there is an opposition for these rules. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] c/c++ languages gain
There is an interesting discussion in slashdot about c/c++ programming language usage Here it is http://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/04/24/1357205/cc-back-on-top-of-the-programming-heap. Those are some really interesting figures. It would be nice to see a split by geographic regions. I am sure 'C' will not be on top in India, even though I wish it to be. If I had to guess, I would say Java. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Problem loading in Twitter
what is MTU issue??? I am talking about this thread in the archives, http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2012-April/thread.html#70803 http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2012-April/070803.html Read through the thread, it *may* help resolving your problem. The discussion there was regarding DSL, so it may or may not help. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Problem loading in Twitter
When i try to load twitter.com its disconnecting my internet connectivity i am using Ubuntu 11.10 and 3g connection from my mobile phone i tried this from 2 different browsers but its causing the same *Chrome *FireFox Does the problem exist only with twitter.com ? If so, it is just very wierd. It is most likely the MTU issue which we had discussed earlier in the list. What service do you use to connect to internet ? -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Linus receives Millennium Technology Prize
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2012/04/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-receives-one-world%E2%80%99s-highest-technolog The first Millennium Technology Prize was awarded only in 2004. I think, it will take a few decades before this thing gets any meaningful. There are so many useless awards/prizes these days, I somehow find this to be one of them. IMO, They should have awarded someone who really needed the recognition and the award money than these two guys. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] linuxpert baskar at kalaignar tv
True. But that depends on whether news is considered creative work by the law! Santhitha Velai can be classified as news but it is primarily a talk show. Considering, not every talk show brings in the same guests, it can be classified as creative work. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] linuxpert baskar at kalaignar tv
he discuss about various topics on free open source software, how tamil nadu is using them etc. don't miss it. Thats wonderful! can you record it from tv? if you have the recorder card, reply here. I think, this would be illegal copying and distribution. It is best if we can get it through baskar. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] compiling dhvani in ubuntu 11.10
when compiling using just ./configure, getting the error as can not find zlib header. It will help if you can paste the error report from configure script. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] How Linux is Built?
Came across this video and post published by Muktware a few hours ago and thought of sharing it. http://www.muktware.com/news/3498/how-linux-build-video It is more of a sales pitch by Linux Foundation than anything else. Skip it! -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT?] Many sites not opening - BSNL BB
This makes me think that there is some problem with the routing of the BSNL routers in my exchange, or an issue with my router.. Is there a way to confirm this? If that is the problem, is there a way to circumvent the same? It is most likely a local issue. Can you provide the following details ? It will help debug the issue. 1. ping ilugc.in 2. ADSL Line Attenuation (Downstream Upstream) 3. ADSL Noise Margin (Downstream Upstream) 4. ADSL Connection Speed (Downstream Upstream) 5. Do you have the modem connected after the splitter ? You can get the ADSL details from the BSNL router. If you don't have the username:password try the default admin:admin. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] different network I/O handling methods
Been a long while since I initiated a mail to LUG. I thought I will discuss different network I/O schemes or rather the way CPU and memory is used to perform what most of us do today. It will be better if you put this in a web page and provide the link. It is difficult to read, mostly because, formatting plain text just don't go well together unless you put a lot of effort in. It is a no brainer that if you want performance you write in C. You may know Linus Torvald's comments on C++. Who gives a damn about what he thinks about C or C++ for that matter. I hate C++ myself and he didn't have say it. I hate java too but I guess the discussion on programming languages I hate doesn't belong here. People who like C++/Java, please don't feel offended, this is just a personal opinion/choice. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.
You have virtual memory in embedded system. Embedded systems generally dont have Virtual Memory because the access times are non deterministic. Don't applications/processes on embedded system have their own dedicated address space ? I would think having dedicated address space requires virtual memory management. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.
This thread is full of theoretical stuff, lot of useful info but nowadays I only deal with practical reality. That is the single biggest problem with the people I meet here in LUG. You have to get practical doubts. Theory is fine but we have to grow beyond that. I have worked on few embedded systems but swap has never been a doubt in my mind. Please don't give free advice when not asked for. Please stop 1. presenting your opinions as facts, and 2. judging others so harshly +1 -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why embedded Linux not having swap partition.
I must thank the OP for bringing up this question because after posting my earlier response I wanted to understand this in more detail and found this gem: http://www.embeddedinsights.com/channels/2010/07/21/to-mmu-or-not-to-mmu/ Interesting article, thanks for sharing. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] cannot upload file in php using move_uploaded_file()
I wish to use linux,any body advice and send me the linuc CD to install ? Regards, karthikeyan5...@gmail.com Send a separate email with proper subject. DONT hijack the thread. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Multiple passwords for root user in Linux
Anybody have seen two passwords working for the root user in a server to access with ssh. Is it possible to have multiple passwords for a user in any system. please guide me. I believe, what you are looking for is sudo. Check out the following manual pages, man sudo man sudoers See EXAMPLES section to get a quick idea. As the name goes, if authorized, any user can gain superuser privileges through sudo. So, in effect, two or more users can login as root using their own passwords. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Is some one using Tikona
Is some one using Tikona for ISP ? Recently they have changed the way they give me IP. Instead of giving me a public IP now they have started giving me private IP in 10.0.0.0/8 space. One way it is safe that my IP does not get exposed to scanning. However I cannot access my SSH server on my system any more :-( I believe someone mentioned about pagekite last month which might be useful here, http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2012-February/070113.html This is how you create a SSH tunnel through pagekite, https://pagekite.net/wiki/Howto/SshOverPageKite/ I think its free for the first 2.5 GB data transfer, https://pagekite.net/support/faq/billing/#bandwidth You will notice high latencies but it should be manageable, I would think. I haven't been able to try it yet, so please do share your experiences. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Android on X86 platforms
There is an Android port for x86 hardware (Intel and AMD CPUs) at http://android-x86.org/. Those who wanted to try Android but did not buy a tablet or smartphone can try this in your PCs. I installed it along with my Linux Mint and windows installation. I had some problems after installation but the community is quite responsive. They provided answers to my queries and now I am able to boot and use it from my hard disk. Only current issue is ethernet support is not available in the CD provided (there are patches that provide this support queued up in the git repository). If network support comes I will be switching mostly to Android. Android ICS is available for download now. Hope this helps some one :). I am not a great fan of Java with its speed/security. And, not to mention Android being a google product. I think, I am going to stick with Linux on my x86 for a while. That is, until ARM hardware becomes readily available. Then its time for Linux on ARM :). -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] block facebook squid
i am using squid for block some sites ,but i am unable block facebook ,gmail ...like https site please help me for secure connections (HTTPS), it is most likely that CONNECT tunnel is used. Did you check out the following page ? http://wiki.squid-cache.org/Features/HTTPS#CONNECT_tunnel Since, its a tunnel, you can probably restrict access only by denying domain names instead of urls and such. you should try the following and see if it works, http://wiki.squid-cache.org/SquidFaq/SquidAcl#Squid_doesn.27t_match_my_subdomains -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Process thread count.
How to see process thread count. I have running my program it's show the PID #ps -aux root 5415 0.0 0.5 68952 10892 ?Sl 13:56 0:00 /opt/google/talkplugin/GoogleTalkPlugin Use 'H' or '-L', refer man ps for details. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] shell-find command
find / -mtime 1 how can i send this output to a directory for take backup. tar it and untar it later, something like, $ find / -mtime 1 | xargs tar -czvf backup.tgz $ tar -xzvf backup.tgz -C outdir -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] shell-find command
xargs: unterminated quote Your filenames probably contain quotes and other messy characters which unix does not like. You can resolve this by using the options -print0 and -0 in find and tar respectively. (NOTE: Option uses number 0 and not character O). $ find / -mtime 1 -print0 | xargs -0 tar -czvf backup.tgz $ tar -xzvf backup.tgz -C outdir On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 9:44 PM, 00...@0throot.com wrote: find / -mtime 1 how can i send this output to a directory for take backup. tar it and untar it later, something like, $ find / -mtime 1 | xargs tar -czvf backup.tgz $ tar -xzvf backup.tgz -Coutdir -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Idea For Creating a Distro Based on Debain
-- Cheers, *E. Prince Yesuraj* ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc Better to go with remastersys or reconstructor. Linux from scratch will take a lot of bandwidth (amount of time) and resources (disk space for source code and compilation). You can just take ubuntu change default themes and settings, add and remove packages, change things as you need and create a new distro from that. It will take very less time compared to Linux From Scratch. On a side note, Please trim your post to the quote that you are responding to. As you can see from above, its hard to follow what your response corresponds to. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] About GPL Licensing on a plugin
Thanks for taking your time to answer my question. Let me clarify a bit here. The plugin that I am going to modify will be released under GPL license. There are two parts an application and the plugin. The application will connect to these plugins. So we would be developing the application from the scratch and the plugin would be an improvement from the existing work which we are going to release in GPL. How does your application talk to the plugin ? Is it over web service (or) some other protocol (or) some other way ? If the communication method is one of the standards (such as HTTP 1.1) then you should be okay with releasing source only for the modified plugin. But if the communication method is GPL licensed then, i am not sure, you need to dig into the license to see if your application is considered derived as per GPL. Also, there is a lot difference between GPLv2 and GPLv3. What license does the plugin come under ? GPLv2 is far more relaxed, even when it comes to contributing back to the community. So just releasing the plugin in GPL would solve it rite? The application codes can remain our company property? Seems to be so but no one can say for sure without the details. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] remotely accessing a machine on a lan with dynamic IP
I maintain a server in a remote place. It is connected to a LAN - the LAN is the usual poor man's LAN which uses the BSNL router as the dhcp server. They have dynamic IP from bsnl. The machine the machine has a fixed IP (192.168.1.123). The inward facing IP of the router is 192.168.1.1. Is it possible to ssh into this machine from outside, and if so how? This is pretty simple to do, I have been using it for a few years now. There are three parts to the problem, 1. Accessing your Dynamic IP 2. Opening your SSH port 3. NAT Loopback (1) Dynamic IP Since the IP is dynamic, you need a domain name which can be updated periodically. There are several dynamic DNS providers, one of the popular ones is dyndns.org which is now dyn.com. They provide a couple of REST APIs which you can use to get your external IP and update the IP in your dyn.com account. I have attached the shell script which you can use. Just modify the script with your newly created dyn.com account name and password. (2) Port forwarding BSNL modems are unpredictable when it comes to port forwarding but you can try it out. In the port forwarding table, just specify incoming port 22 to be forwarded to IP (192.168.1.123) and port 22. (3) NAT Loopback This is just something you should know, it is not required. Even after the above setup, you might not be able to access your domain name directly from your internal network if the router doesn't support NAT loopback. AFAIK, linksys/cisco routers support this while the basic netgear routers don't. I don't know about BSNL modem/routers. In case you are interested, the script does the following, - gets your external ip - resolves the domain name to the current ip - if the current ip and external ip are different, issues an update. Hope this helps. -- 0 update_dyndns.sh Description: application/shellscript ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] remotely accessing a machine on a lan with dynamic IP
Take a look at this: https://pagekite.net/ This is an interesting service but you might face high latencies, especially for SSH. Unless, they have the service provided out of an Indian DC as well. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Hardware] Config for Low end Linux desktop
I am planning to buy 10 numbers of system for FOSS related free education + lab setup. Main purpose for buying these to enable students to work on FOSS ( mainly Linux Admin and programming ) topics. Raspberry Pi is the ideal choice here. Although, I am not sure whether it will be available in India. http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs Budget is really tight as all the money coming from my pocket. I was thinking about below configuration. 1. AMD Athlon II X2 260 + Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P + HDD + 4 GB Ram or 2. Intel Atom D525 based system. For your purpose, a 4GB/8GB flash drive would suffice, you don't need a HDD. Once the kernel is in memory and your programs are in the cache you won't see any difference in performance. Also, 2GB DDR3 should suffice for your purpose. Regarding CPU/MB, I haven't come across a package less than Rs. 6000 unless you get Atom. Atom D525 seems to be a reasonable processor. It is better than couple of my machines with Pentium 4 1.6Ghz and Pentium M 1.73 Ghz which run Fedora 15 and Fedora 12 respectively. Also, read reviews on whether Atom works on Linux without any issues. IMHO, you should setup one machine first. So that, you can make sure there are no driver issues and you are satisfied with the purchase. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] RMS meet at Chennai - training for organizers
On 01/26/2012 12:16 PM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 19:29 +0530, Shrinivasan T wrote: as RMS is visiting Chennai, we feel that organizers should be clear on the free software concepts, difference between free software and open source there is a difference? Yeah, generally most of us don't care but it is an important difference. I wonder whether you are being sarcastic here, nevertheless, you can find the details in the following link :) http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] teaching Foss syllabus in colleges
my experience i have seen that the intelligent always goes to the industry sector. then how do expect the staff to be very bright and know everything. We expect staff to be sincere, and dedicated, with a willingness to learn new technology and developements IMO, This is a very idealistic view. I haven't seen in any kind of work where everyone is dedicated. Majority of the people are dedicated to their family, a small number are dedicated to work and only a very small number find the balance between the two. institutes. Also students always want experienced faculty to teach them. what if no companies recruit freshers? what will be the situation then. I No one always wants experienced staff. All we want is people with the right attitude and dedication. It is not easy to find such staff these days. How many among the professors really know what the flags in the TCP header are for ? How many staff really know how an OS actually boots? These are stuff that a staff MUST know.Thanks. Most colleges will not have any professors if they have such restrictions. AFAIK, It is hard to find good professors for the provided compensation. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] HT flag option - reg
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Re: [Ilugc] teaching Foss syllabus in colleges
but it seems continuing always. the staff call us every year to cover the syllabus. instead of the staff learning Foss stuff, they use us. this should be changed. the college staff should learn the Foss subjects and they should start teaching the subjects themselves. Every individuals capabilities are different so we cannot say for sure a person with one year of experience in FOSS is eligible to teach students. Which is one of the reasons why they have certifications. So, the question is how does one know whether they are ready to teach FOSS subjects. Certifications seems to be the simple answer but, IMO, they are no good as well. I think, self confidence is probably the most important factor to get someone to teach FOSS subjects, I am not sure of any common solution which can help everyone build that. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Advanced Linux Shell Scripting Work Shop [OT]
There are some who have issues with anyone trying to make money off FOSS. But IMO, majority on this list encourage such activity. Pls go ahead. Same opinion here. This [Commercial] tag is bullshit, IMO. There is nothing like Free Lunch or Free Beer. I understand your point but it is not bullshit. It is required so that one can quickly understand the subject of the topic. In this particular case there was a effort to distinguish this thread with [OT] so I am not going to complain even though [Commercial] is more apt here. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] PIPA and SOPA Co-Sponsors Abandon Bills
Being a large and diverse country it is natural that every piece of content on the web will displease a few thousand people. If all these content have to be taken down there will be no need for any search engine - there will be no content except for bland govt sites! Similar to how TV was once considered or is considered as an interference in one's education (morally/culturally/etc..). Internet is also a major interference for the younger generation. In a country where all of public broadcasting is PG-13, it is only expected that internet will eventually be regulated. The important question is how this happens. IMO, the public internet at large should be kept open but the individual residences should be able to decide on the package they need, this is currently not possible. Also, how does one incorporate such diverse views of the population ? All the firewall and other solutions out there are very local and don't work at a large scale considering internet is now present everywhere phones, laptops, TV etc.. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [OT] wikipedia: partial blackout ?
I don't get it, why did wikipedia decide to do a partial blackout ? I was under the impression that they will take the domain offline or something more serious. This SOPA overlay seems more like a child's play (technically) than anything else. If you haven't noticed, the following div is added to the end of the wikipedia pages which of course one can stop from loading by just pressing ESC. div id=mw-sopaOverlay div id=mw-sopaColumn div id=mw-sopaHeadline div id=mw-sopaText div id=mw-sopaAction /div /div I am sure there is a reason behind it, but just can't seem to figure it out.. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] wikipedia: partial blackout ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Learn_more Is it still possible to access Wikipedia in any way? The Wikipedia community, as part of their request to the Wikimedia Foundation to carry out this protest, asked us to ensure that we make English Wikipedia accessible in some way during an emergency. The English Wikipedia will be accessible on mobile devices and smart phones. You can also view Wikipedia normally by completely disabling JavaScript in your browser, as explained on this Technical FAQ page. Ah ok. I wonder, what type of emergency they are talking about. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] wikipedia: partial blackout ?
Ah ok. I wonder, what type of emergency they are talking about. School Students have to submit project next day morning? This is now-a-days common emergency parents face. I am sure there are several other websites where one can find such stuff, it may not be as organised or ad-free as wikipedia but they should be able to manage for one day. I also thought at a similar angle but don't find it compelling enough. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ctl+l
What is your current terminal type ? echo $TERM I get xterm! Try to isolate the problem, check whether the behavior is similar on all applications on the terminal such as on vi/emacs. Also, try typing CTRL-V CTRL-L on bash prompt, you should see ^L output on the terminal. what terminal emulator are you using gnome-terminal or xterm or (?). Try setting the terminal type as linux using the following command and see if it works, $ TERM=linux bash -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ctl+l
The Ctl+l shortcut refuses to clear screen as it used to. It has decided not to obey bash and has taken a life of its own; returns a puny 'l' ! Any solutions, I am in Squeeze! Of course 'clear' still works. It is most likely something to do with the terminal type you have set, What is your current terminal type ? echo $TERM -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Web site hosting query
I have registered the domain name with the domain registrar. For hosting, i would like to do it on my home desktop(running apache server. wordpress ) . i do have broadband connection with the static public ip from the internet vendor. I will do the port forwarding on the broadband router . I dont know, how to do the DNS for the domain name i registerd with my static ip. Registering the domain name is only for ownership. You have to specify the name servers which can resolve your domain name. In many cases, the registrar themselves provide DNS services using which you can specify the A record to resolve to an IP. If your registrar don't provide DNS services, you might have to get a DNS solution elsewhere or setup one yourself. Once you know the IP/hostname of the nameserver (DNS server), you can update it with the registrar. On a side note, You don't necessarily need a static ip if you can live with 2 mins downtime/day in case of a dynamic ip. I hope you have tested your setup by connecting with the IP directly before purchasing the domain. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] code contributions for open source software by us
As for your analogy, if you want to know the number of people who travel by train to go bird watching, it is foolish to watch the trains and try to identify the 0.0001 percentage of the travelers who are going to watch birds - it is far easier to go to the bird sanctuary and find out the number of people there who commute by train. Well said. Although, I don't think there is one place where we can find open source contributors. May be, what we need first is to compile a list of reliable sources where one can find such contributors. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [Wikimediaindia-l] [Press]: The Hindu : Wikipedia turns 11 today
Important Note : The publisher ( The Hindu ) of the above news article owns the copyrights of the article / content. Request to kindly not reproduce or circulate the content further. The information is only shared only with an internal community who have been featured on this article. All copyrights are duly acknowledged. Is this forward illegitimate (as per the note) ? Every one makes mistakes which is fine but just to understand the legal perspective, is that an accurate note which should be followed or is it just a paranoid original poster ? Happy Pongal everyone. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [ILuG-C] Microsoft Office on Linux
That's why RMS has been insisting on giving importance to *freedom* than the other technical aspects. Now we are in a sorry state that even a FOSS enthusiast in a LUG has forgotten the whole point of Free software and is advocating for using M$ product on Linux. I don't think *freedom* means anti-proprietary. Even though it might advocate the use of free software over proprietary software, I don't think it intends to ban the usage of proprietary software. To give an example, NVIDIA provides its proprietary drivers for Linux and I use it because it works best for my hardware. So, the first thing I do after installation is nuke nouveau. This does not mean I have forgotten the point of free software. IMHO, If someone wants to use a proprietary product with FOSS, so be it, denying this right to him/her would indeed be against the FOSS philosophy. -- 0 ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
