Re: [Ilugc] Help needed with Dokuwiki migration
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Balachandran Sivakumar benignb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, We have been using Dokuwiki for our internal documentation. Now, we are moving to a new server and would want to migrate the data in the wiki. I am aware of a backup plug-in. But that doesn't let me restore the contents :). There is a round about way to untar-ing the backup in proper paths. But, what is the suggested way to take a dump and restore it on the new server? Thanks Just copy the folder to the new server, and configure the domain .. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] M Sc (CS-FOSS) Online Program - Anna University
I have been closely watching the syllabus and course details of anna university. In this new course.. I think only the first semeter has new topics. rest of them are taken from the MCA and MSC course syllabus. Though course seems to be demanding Univerisity has no idea about how to go after the first semester.I was happy to hear about the course but become sad when I looked at the fees tab. I feel there is no difference when you compare the price with a commercial institiute course fee.. Does NRC-FOSS has any role in framing the syllabus? If NOT, then who exactly is framing the syllabus? ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Workshop in Gnanamani Group of Institutions, Namakkal Dt.
I hope, those who criticised baskar should answer now.. even in GNU license, it is given that the software is free, but we can charge for training and other services.. Baskar has been regularly posting his FOSS seminar events here for past few years. His efforts being seen as an example, and guidelines on how we can do. IF any one want to setup labs, and take seminars on FOSS in engineering colleges, i think, baskar had offered all his materials.. (pls correct me if i am wrong).. SO dont discourage such persons by this negative comments.. In my view, even if we suppose, baskar is posting it for self-advertisement, what is the wrong in it? Regards, Senthil On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Baskar Selvaraj bas...@linuxpert.inwrote: Instead of this you can share about the student's interest on FOSS. Its my kind request. You can post your self advertisement in your own blog. Most of the FOSS programs which I have been conducting in TN, I have been doing it for free at my own expenses and only few colleges pay my expenses. And in the past few programs I have been conducting regular quiz contest based on the Revolution OS movie and distributed more than 50 copies of LFY magazine alongwith DVD at my own cost In all my programs i distribute atleast 10 copies of the magazine and several distro CD/DVDs to the students to learn and try FOSS and I have distributed 20 copies of the magazine and more than 20 DVDs for the above 2 colleges and I never mention these things in any of my post (and still have more than 450 copies to distribute for students worth more than 45K). If you want to know the students interest, then you have to be with me atleast a day and you can understand very well what college students think about FOSS. I can only accept the above statement when any of the colleges in TN says, I have been doing it for self advertisement. If you feel my posting as a self advertisement, you could better filter my emails easily. With regards S. Baskar CEO/LinuXpert Systems ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] will it work
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:35 AM, sivakumar bharadhwaj calms...@gmail.comwrote: Dear All, I have a friend in chennai - who is now doing 'serials' for Jaya Plus Raj TV (generally 'pattimandrams' and other simple ones). I had discussed with him - about 6 months back, about doing a 20 to 30 minutes 'serial' on FOSS FOSS related ones. since he was busy and i have come back to mumbai - did not proceed much. After meeting people in SFD 2011 - at IIT Powai, Also, since now many students are going to get 'Laptops' from TN govt, a new audience (if we can call them) may be enticed to see (and get benefitted) a series of FOSS related things in TVs. Though this may take a lot of time to even start (finding 'slots' with TV, finding 'sponsors', finding 'topics', getting approved, finding 'Hosts', etc), my only question is 'WILL IT WORK (not only commercially but also 'in the best interest of all'). This will definitely work, depending on how the program is designed. My suggestion would be NOT to go deep in to technological aspects, but to provide a story line on FOSS, its history, and comparison of day to day softwares in proprietary open source. Since many people would be in some way using computers, we have to start from common people's mindset. Like how licensing costs affect business, and why pirated software may lead to legal issues etc.. We can best use these TV time slots to create a perspective, opinion, and subtle understanding of open source and FOSS among common masses. If such TV program materialises, it will be a boost to open source technologies. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [ilugb] Looking for experts to help migrate photography studios to GIMP
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.comwrote: Do we have any resource in gimp for training in banglore? -- Forwarded message -- From: VIGNESH PRABHU stove311...@gmail.com Date: 5 Oct 2011 13:18 Subject: [ilugb] Looking for experts to help migrate photography studios to GIMP To: Free Software Users Group - Bangalore fsug-bangal...@mm.gnu.org.in , ilug-bengal...@googlegroups.com, Ubuntu India Local Community ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com Hi friends, Many of you must have heard about the recent raids by software firms on photography studios in Mandya and Mysore districts. Here is a news article on the same, http://www.deccanherald.com/content/190270/beware-using-softwares-licence.html . FSMK, Free Software Movement Karnataka has recently released a press note appealing to small scale vendors to try out FOSS alternatives, http://www.fsmk.org/node/86 Photography studios associations have contacted us and requested us to train them on FOSS alternatives. Hence we are looking for GIMP experts who have worked extensively on photo editing to talk to few representatives of these associations and understand their requirements. If their requirements are fulfilled by GIMP, then we can plan for a large scale workshop and help them migrate. So please contact us if you can help us in understanding their requirements and migrating them. If this is not done immediately, then they will be forced to come to some agreement with software firms and have to shell out chunk of their profit to pay for the license fees. I would like to know if there is any progress on this? ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] need a review on our performance
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Rajagopal Swaminathan raju.rajs...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, On 6/2/11, senthilraja P technocr...@gmail.com wrote: but what i am saying is a co-ordination team, which just co-ordinates different such individual teams towards a larger project.. this co-ordination team need not be static or need not do any ground work.. they just oversee and co-ordinate.. In other word (corporatespeak), Ownership pf a project. Need not be ownership of a project.. In many projects, the skill set would be required from multiple streams.. for eg, a web project using PHP may require skill sets of a designer, and that of a tester. A project owner will take responsibility of setting up Git, issue tracker and other modalaties and he will lead the developers.. and a co-ordination team for this ILUGC will just co-ordinate different set of people/projects, so that they share resources, ideas or skillsets.. Co-ordinators need not go for voluntary services, or start new projects.. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] need a review on our performance
such a team exists - and like in all successful LUGs it is not formal. It consists of the people who take initiative and do things. Of course the composition of this group keeps changing. People become active, then go quiet, others move away, still others focus on just one task. To try to formalise this is about as productive as harnessing cats to a cart and expect them to pull it. Individual initiatives is different from a team to co-ordinate the group.. individuals take initiatives, do the ground work, and then retire.. but what i am saying is a co-ordination team, which just co-ordinates different such individual teams towards a larger project.. this co-ordination team need not be static or need not do any ground work.. they just oversee and co-ordinate.. for eg, the student guide program is a relatively large one, that needs sustainable effort.. definitely there needs a team to co-ordinate, where even if individual members are unable to contribute, replacement is made for the project to go on.. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [discuss] Oracle donates OpenOffice.org to the Apache Foundation
REDWOOD SHORES, CA--(Marketwire - Jun 1, 2011) - With today's proposal to contribute the OpenOffice.org code to The Apache Software Foundation's Incubator, Oracle continues to demonstrate its commitment to the developer and open source communities. Donating OpenOffice.org to Apache gives this popular consumer software a mature, open, and well established infrastructure to continue well into the future. The Apache Software Foundation's model makes it possible for commercial and individual volunteer contributors to collaborate on open source product development. -- Luke Kowalski, vice president, Oracle Corporate Architecture Group. Oracle has lost its reputation long back.. i see it as an attempt to wash off the burden of open office, by oracle.. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] need a review on our performance
2011/5/31 Thyagarajan தியாகராஜன் citizenof...@gmail.com Dear Luggies, Our activities have been dried up, It appears to me that ilugc is on the way to find a place in the list of endangered species. To raise the level of our performance, i sincerely feel the need to retrospect the office boy role and that the same be given to a new person. It seems some of your expectation on ILUG-C has not been met.. I have been member of this group for past 4 years, and in my observation, the ILUG-C (NOT the mailing list, but the community) has been more productive now, due to initiatives of some members.. Baskar has setup FOSS lab in so many colleges.. Today, we are seeing some organised effort in providing mentorship to college students.. Regular meeting of ILUG-C.. Even, my expectation of this group is also NOT met.. that doesnt mean, ILUGC is defunct.. it is very well proactive, and going in right direction.. what we need is a management team, to give a vision and direction.. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Request for a Team to guide college students for open source projects
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Raman.P raam...@yahoo.co.in wrote: I wish all the people thinking of helping consider few things - which are sad reality of present education. 1.Out of 180 students atleast 170 will require spoon-feeding, hand-holding etc. There is no substitute to regular class-room+lab type of teaching for them. Before that, we should have an evaluation of the students.. there is NO necessity that we should teach every student in that college.. we should not commit like that .. We need to select students based on evaluation.. 2.Self learning is very minimal Yes.. for most of the students.. reason: lack of reading habits.. based on my experience in past 3 years, the attitude of most of the students is pathetic.. many students want a job on a gold platter.. and many dont know what they want or what they are capable.. there no sincerity on their part, and they just wanted to enjoy their college life.. So what we need initially is an orientation program, explaining them the ground realities.. 3.College Management expects us to be physically present. This is another aspect we have to consider carefully.. * we have to ascertain the motive and objective of the college management.. we should not be utilised for their selfish objectives. * ILUGC should not be dictated by college terms.. rather, we have to set terms for college to follow us.. only then we can maintain the standard.. * We need to make clear, that we are NOT their servant.. bcoz, anything coming free is not respected in most cases.. 4.First semester will require extensive teaching and hence physical presence will be required. We can form a team to teach different languages/tools. This will amount to spoon feeding.. we can give basic introduction, and the student should learn on their own.. Class room teaching will never impart the required knowledge.. 5.During actual projects personal contacts/interaction can be minimal. 6.Teaching over irc,email, forum etc., are ruled out. At the maximum they can be used for clearing doubts +1 What are the ways ILUGC members can contribute? 1.If you can spare time (3.30 to 5.30) take class even if it is for 1 or 2 days please do. We will workout a timetable and post it. 2.Create project ideas in the wiki page. Also clearly state basic requirements. Since it is MCA projects need not be IEEE. 3.During project stage the hours will be flexible and probably we can ask students to meet the mentors at a place convenient to the mentor. So mentoring the project, in my opinion many can volunteer. we need to first analyse our resource availability, the open source projects we have at hand, how many persons needed for that, time duration, and the required skill sets.. once we take stock of our capabilities, we can tell the college students that we can take only this number of students for project work and the students would be selected based on evalutation and personal interview, and there should be a binding on the part of student to complete the tasks assigned.. Say for example, there are 180 students, we will select only 25-50 students, and focus on them.. if the college wants to teach to all students, they can utilise these core students for that.. This approach will share the burden among students, and relieve our ILUGC member to focus on our core objective.. to guide, rather than to teach.. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] need a review on our performance
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 10:18 +0530, senthilraja P wrote: what we need is a management team, to give a vision and direction.. a management team in a LUG??? are you joking? NOT the management team like that in corporates.. by management, i mean a co-ordination team, with certain roles and responsibilities.. Is there any wrong in having that.. please excuse me, if already such team exists formally.. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] OpenID for phpBB forum - my accomplishment
Hi, I tried integrating open id with a phpbb forum i set for a personal project. I initially tried phpBB openid module from zenor soft. http://www.zenorsoft.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=30t=841 for some reasons it did not work for me.. so i modified it, and simplified it so that there is no MOD installing required and the usability is simple as described below. 1. The user has to first register in the forum with either yahoo or gmail id. 2. After his account is activated, he can click on the yahoo or google icon which i display in the home page or login page. 3. he will be taken to yahoo or google authentication page, and once he approves his authentication there, he will be redirected back to the forum page. 4. If he is successfully authenticated, his email would be obtained from AX data returned by yahoo or google. 5. and in my code, i will check if the email is already registered. If so, he will automatically signed in. 6. If the email is not already registered, appropriate error message displayed. I am not sure of any security flaws in the above method. But i implemented it in my forum, and the feedback from the users has been positive.. I can share the code to any one who wanted to implement in their own forum. NOTE: I used janrain library for the same. it is not a full-fledged module for phpbb. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Why NOT a discussion forum site for ILUGC?
But, asking all the existing 2000 users to register in another forum is too difficult. The discussion forum site i proposed is not for replacing ILUGC.. rather, i proposed it as a complementary one.. We need not ask all 2000 users to register there.. but group of people who wanted to discuss more upon a particular topic, can shift to the discussion forum and discuss, while rest of the members can subscribe to that particular topic if interested.. There are many forums available like linuxquestions.org, ubuntuforums.org etc We dont need a separate forum for ilugc. We can use any of the forums. If you have any issues in the mailing list, we can discuss them and fix them for sure. The only issue i have here is flooding of inbox.. thanx to gmail mail thread grouping, i could manage it.. I am running another yahoo group where some times hot debate will happen b/w few set of users, which will flood all other members who may not be interested.. I took a small survey and found that whenever there are large mails coming, it is because of intense debate b/w few members.. So i thought of starting a discussion forum for the yahoo group, and shifted such discussions there.. Members will initiate a thread in the forum, and announce the same in the group.. And periodical updates of discussion happening on the particular topic would be mailed to the group. This solved the mail flooding problem, while at the same time, keep all the members updated of the main discussion.. I thought the same can be replicated here.. With advent of openid, the members need not be required to remember the password.. I am in the process of integrating openid (yahoo gmail) in my forum site.. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Why NOT a discussion forum site for ILUGC?
Hi, It just clicked me spontaneously. Why not we have a separate discussion forum site for ILUGC, and push all technical and lengthy discussions there? Whenever a new topic is created in the forum, the members can post it here for announcement, and then any further discussion can be made in the forum. I dont want to prescribe any particular software, but obviously SMF and phpbb are the popular PHP based ones. (We can consider forums written in other languages too, like ruby or python). We can include open id feature too for easy login. If we need any new improvements on this discussion forum, we can categorize it as New Project to be given to eligible engineering students as mini-project and guide them to complete. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Accounting open source softwares
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 19:08 +0530, JITHIN K wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:52 PM, vivek r vividvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:36 PM, asish gaur asishg...@gmail.com wrote: What are the accounting opensource softwares available for small business? Asish Gaur ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc You can check it from www.osalt.com which gives a opensource alternatives for any category you need -- http://db.glug-bom.org/wiki/index.php/Mailing_List_Etiquette#Do_not_top_post -- Kenneth.. its nice that you enforce mailing guidelines to members.. but could you reply to the concerned person instead of mailing to the group? Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
The big question is who are the 'WE' you are mentioning? And how many physical volunteers we have?. We get few opportunites to do sessions, but even for that ask Shrini how he struggles to get volunteers. By WE, i meant those who want to do something.. before we look for volunteers, i find that we dont have any strategic plan or vision on what we are going to do.. In my humble opinion, conducting one day workshops, would only give a very basic level of introduction to the students.. but if they are to develop their skill set, we should have a comprehensive plan.. We need not volunteer for everything.. but if we could plan things ahead, we can establish a link b/w students and mentors where we can use remote tools to guide them from where we are.. Again, its my theoritical proposition, and it may or may not work out.. at my personal capacity, i have handled around 5 students so far in this method.. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
This has to be tacked right from schooling.. again, +1 +2 has been a jail for most students, with no time for learning.. I like this idea. If you ask students like me, the common response would be if only, we had been exposed to this domain a little earlier. +1 and +2 are a jail for students because in this period the students overburden themselves with JEE and PMT preparations. Although only a few of them take the track they choose. Most do not make it upto the institution of their dream and most of those who reach there find it not to be a place for them. eg We have IITians becoming writers today and we have AMITIANS bitching about their college. What attracts students and their parents towards IIT and PMT are high paying jobs in America. If there is a way to lead a financially sound life then why not introduce it before the students end up wasting 6 years of their life (2 years in school 4 years in B.Tech) ? +1.. i agree fully.. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Chandrashekar Babu l...@chandrashekar.infowrote: Hi, Can someone give a few *examples* of *how FOSS could be used to earn a living* - in addition to setting up computer labs developing applications using FOSS. FOSS Training, Consulting and Deployment are good money-spinners to start off with - in my opinion. I've been earning and making a living out of them for the last 8 years (after I quit my last job sometime in 2002). Excellent.. i too heard from my friend that many take up freelancing in just PHP itself and earning more than what they do in Office.. Unless you are an idealist saint like RMS, you'll need money, and to earn money - you need a decent job first, and to get a decent job, you need a nice IT graduation tag to begin with - this has been the easiest mantra since the mid '90s. Is IT graduation really necessary to take up Open Source Jobs? Today, so many Engineering Graduates are passing out of college, left in the dark, without knowing what to do. We need to guide them about these freelancing options, and to update their required skillset. I dont know if such self-enterpreneurship guidance is given in FOSS workshops conducted in colleges. If NOT, we should include that, which will give confidence to the students.. Any thoughts? Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Clarification - Internet Using Mobile Phone
I need a clarification over my doubt: I am accessing Internet Via Nokia Pc suite now in windows. Can this is possible in Linux? How to access the same in Linux. --thanksin advance. Internet connection using mobile is a cakewalk in Ubuntu. Just connect your mobile through a data cable, create a new broadband connection and then select appropriate provider (BSNL, airtel, which are available pre-configured). After completion, ubuntu will automatically connect to the internet. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Gui for python
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Thoufi Tiger thoufi...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Require information for creating gui applications using python ... I came across TkInter and wxPython and confused which is preferred for working best in linux.. Suggest me anyone or any best gui for linux..and help me with a link for how to install.. wxpython is best, as it contains numerous examples and demo applications to start with.. i think google earth is developed in wxPython.. Can some one pls confirm this? Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS - for making MONEY
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:11 AM, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.comwrote: Is IT graduation really necessary to take up Open Source Jobs? No Then why should NOT we target the school students? I have been seeing many people after completing +2, going for degree because they dont know anything else.. also those who complete B.Sc, pursue MCA just because they dont get any job or dont know what to do.. This has to be tacked right from schooling.. again, +1 +2 has been a jail for most students, with no time for learning.. Any thoughts? students lack attitude for learning and do not have patience the ones who have i have seen benefit in long run i single them out before i start working with them , since my time and resources are limited too . Is it possible to institutionalise this initiative? Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Alternate GIMP classes instead of PhotoShop
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Natarajan V raja...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Arun Venkataswamy arun...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Swapnil swapnil.bhart...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/30/2011 03:37 AM, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: Even by a long mile I don't think gimp will match Photoshop. What made you think so? What's in PS that's not in GIMP? We use GIMP for all of our graphics. Please state the reasons. IMHO the difference between GIMP and Photoshop is just the difference between Linux and Windows. Geeks will use GIMP and an non geek graphics I am a Linux User from the days of RedHat 6.0, having nothing but Linux on my PC and Laptop. I am also an amateur photographer, heading my company's Photography Club. Though not a pro, I do some amount of photo editing for in-house online publications and corporate blogs. With this premise: The following are my observations: The Gimp is great. I have been able to script it and customize it for my use. I have been using it for about 7 years now. Its good enough for most of the work that people use PS for. But, a little searching on the net would tell you what Gimp lacks from a PRO point of view. 1. 32 bit processing is just about in it's infancy in Gimp. The GEGL library is still not complete. 2. because of (1) above, the processing done by Gimp are not loss-less. 3. Support for CMYK has just now been introduced. - I remember a conversation in iLUGc, regarding printing something from Gimp. The professional printers wanted something in CMYK, which wasn't available in Gimp then. 4. Adjustment layers - is still not found in The Gimp as yet. - I missed this feature a lot, when I had to isolate a child's photo from the background, particularly around his hair. I repeat, if you are not a PRO, you wouldn't need any of the above. If you are using it for some, less serious stuff or initial learnings, its enough. There are times, (just search in the internet, you will find), where people suggest that you should use Krita (from erstwhile K-Office), instead of Gimp for CMYK and lossless processing. I still love the Gimp, but it has a long way to go before it becomes a serious competitor to PS. Its way ahead. I am eagerly waiting for Gimp 3.0, which promises to have most of Pretty sensible reply.. I dont know why such aversion to photoshop? Are we becoming intolerant? We should learn photoshop and excel in it. Only then we will understand the extensive features in it and then try to bring GIMP on par with it. Secondly, how many in india actually contribute to GIMP? We can count.. We are mostly consumers of open source product, and we dont have any control over its feature set. So when people in the industry wants quick turn around, they always seek for the product that meets their requirement. The pragmatic way of dealing with such situation is that we would learn photoshop, and if we are committed towards GIMP, we sould strive to bring those Photoshop features in to GIMP.. Opposing people to learn Photoshop, is like preventing our wife/girl friend from talking to other boys.. LOL... :) Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Dr. N.G.P. Institute of Technology, Coimbatore district
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Baskar Selvaraj bas...@linuxpert.in wrote: Hi, We have got excellent feedback from almost all the engg. colleges, where we have setup foss labs and also we all can ensure that, in the coming years GNU/Linux will be the primary operating system of choice in engg. colleges here. What is the authentication system used? Is it local user authentication, or any type of network authentication enabled in such FOSS labs.. One more point.. this ILUGC has so many industry professionals.. is there any survey on how many of them work on open source projects, or how many started an open source project? The reason i am asking is that when we ourselves could not leap to the next level, how can we blame the students and staffs? Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Mentoring students for Projects
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Vamsee Kanakala vkanak...@gmail.comwrote: On Tuesday 30 November 2010 09:16 PM, Prawin K wrote: So, I suggest the mentors, to start a blog for themself (for mentorship), to list out the link urls, useful books and other resources in internet about the technology, which help the students to self start. And after having some basic knowledge, the students can do small codings and then personally contact the mentors. Dude, I don't mean to sound nasty, but let's get this straight, you mean you're not even willing to do something as simple as dear classmates, what are you interested in, and what do you need? and post it online? So we have to guess what you might need to get started with and put it all up? Who's doing the asking here, exactly? How exactly do we know how much you can find online through simple googling, and where exactly do we have to step in to help you? Suppose, I know Ruby/Rails. So how do I know if people are even interested in knowing more? And which part of it? Sorry for getting ranty, but this attitude is what pisses me off. I've been a student before, when there aren't even (local) forums like these to ask and learn. You're saying you can't even edit a wiki and *ask what you need* in a structured way. So what is it that you couldn't find info about? Ask it now, and you'll see how you'll get the answers. Go ahead. And FYI, something woozy like whole student community will be grateful to you is nonsense. I would be happier if I know just one good student benefited in a measurable way from my time spent. If you want help, do your homework, and then come to us. The solution is to create a working environment within the college itself... an intranet webserver running within the computer lab.. a mail server .. a POP3 server.. a local wiki, which collates knowledge from students.. an intranet forum.. all these at one stage connected to wiki.. So if such a working environment is created within college, students should have to learn to use these.. Secondly, students should be encouraged to try new applications/ new initatives for the college use.. Colleges have 8 Mbps bandwidth.. and if properly used, students can publish their own website within their lab servers.. We have to train students to think practically.. The benchmark for any initiative/application is how far it is well received among the users.. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS Lab Setup in Vellalar College of Engineering and Technology, Thindal, Erode District
Today, myself and Mr. Balamurugan setup a 25 seat FOSS lab for Vellalar College of Engineering and Technology, Thindal, Erode District, ( http://www.vellalar.com/Engg/index.htm) for the department of MCA using Fedora-13. For any feedback, pl. contact Prof. L.M.Palanivelu / HOD-IT regarding the FOSS Lab implementation. First of all, i welcome this initiative of setting up exclusive foss lab. I have few thoughts to share here.. - Setting up a foss lab should NOT be an end in itself. Is there any result oriented projects planned? - FOSS should NOT be confined within a lab. Rather, we should explore how we can use foss applications for day to day use of the college life. eg: intranet mail servers, intranet wiki, intranet forums, intranet blogs, a knowledge repository,, Please excuse me, if these are already done in your college. (In my observation most colleges dont even have an intranet mail server). - There should institutional mechanism, where the department consistently works on a FOSS project, irrespective of students studying. ie, students should learn and contribute for the project, and when before he gets passed out, he has to train the incoming students.. by this way, we can generate continous pool of resources to work on any FOSS related projects. - There are many issues where Linux based machines could not be integrated to a windows network. (this is one of the reason why windows servers are preferred over linux).. Colleges can work on these issues with colloboration from corporates. These are just my thoughts.. although there are so much awareness created in indian colleges, there is no visible FOSS product coming out, bcoz, we lack product development skills. Knowing a technology is different from developing a product. Unless we aspire to develop products (either for research purpose, or for requirements of our society), we could not have the required leap in FOSS movement in india. Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Linux usage statistics
Hi All, Happy to see so many views on this topic. I just shared my experiences over the past few years. the reality is that most MNC's have a centralised authentication system, which unfortunately is MS AD. the intranet sites may be powered by Linux, and in such case, there is the necessity that Linux server has to integrate with windows domain. If that is possible, then i am sure, much of the intranet sites will be powered using Linux rather than Windows, as it would greatly reduce their Project and Account Cost for each manager. There are few open source apache modules like mod_NTLM, mod_auth_kerb.. but there is hell lot of problem in implementing those.. In my view, this should be a best case for taking it up as research project by ME students, who really want to do programming at system level involving cryptography etc.. Infact i used to say this to those students who ask me about final year project.. On Linux as Desktop, we have to accept the reality that, how far linux has evolved through ubuntu, it still lack the finesse of windows, which inspite of its crashes, is ruling the roost.. what is that special thing that windows has as edge over linux.. Is it possible for us to find it without locking ourseves to FOSS ideology.. in my view, more than ideology, the purpose is important.. and here our purpose is NOT to uphold FOSS, but to improve FOSS to match the microsoft's feature set.. many of the FOSS softwares exceed microsoft based products, but there are key areas where FOSS is really lacking.. Desktop is one such thing.. we need to understand the strengths and weakness of FOSS vs MS to give MS a tough fight Regards, Senthil ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Linux usage statistics
Actually at the desktop level, linux usage is very meagre.. but at the server level, its very popular and widely used.. However, with introduction of sharepoint 2010, everyone is moving to .NET and windows based development.. In my company (which is a fastest growing MNC), most intranet sites are developed in .NET and recently, new sites are consolidated under sharepoint.. I think, Microsoft will have a big push through Sharepoint, just like it had when it released windows GUI desktop.. Another thing is that Network integration is veyr powerful in Windows.. Most big corporates are moving on to Single Sign on, and Linux has been having major problems in integrating to windows network.. We run a corporate blogging site in linux, and its really a problem implementing single sign on.. Its really an ambiguity to predict where will Linux Move on, unless it sorts out desktop issues. Regards, Senthil On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:04 PM, rajkumar vbalakrishnasamy rajkumar.l...@gmail.com wrote: Hi ilugcies, I recently googled about Linux usage statistics all over the world and found some information on that but the information shows only 1% use of Linux globally in desktop market, is this wiki article is fake or real.And i also found in some websites that Linux market share is high and w3c's statistics is also wrong.So,please comment on this or we have to analyze the actual usage statistics and modify the wiki content.And also we can find some more ideas to bring awareness on foss. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems http://www.seopher.com/articles/linux_usage_statistics__dell_holds_the_key_w3c_shows_decline -- राजकुमार follow me http://twitter.com/krisrajkumar ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] LTSP Setup at VoG (Voice of God) Polytechnic, Namakkal
Its really a commendable work. Is fedora-11 used as LTSP server? Could you please share more details, on any special hardware used and the software running in thin client ? Regards, Senthil On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:54 AM, LinuXpert Academy supp...@linuxpertacademy.com wrote: Dear Luggies, VoG Polytechnic, Erumapatty, Namakkal District had setup a LTSP based Thinclient Lab for 60 Pentium-III machines for their programming, office, internet browsing needs. The setup was done using Fedora-11 with LTSP and they are using the following applications 1. CodeBlocks with GCC for C/C++ Programming 2. OpenOffice.Org 3.1 for Office Applications 3. Firefox for Browsing The institution management was quite happy with the setup and further they want to switch to Fedora-12 in about 300 machines (CSE, IT, MCA) for their Engineering College by December. It seems, this was one of the successful implementation of LTSP in a Polytechnic in Tamilnadu. S. Baskar CEO/LinuXpert Systems Chennai ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] LTSP Setup at VoG (Voice of God) Polytechnic, Namakkal
THanks Baskar.. How about thin clients? I understand that the existing P3 PCs are used as thin client.. i would like to know what software is used as thin client. Regards, Senthil On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 9:31 AM, LinuXpert Academy supp...@linuxpertacademy.com wrote: Its really a commendable work. Is fedora-11 used as LTSP server? Yes, Fedora-11 was used as LTSP Server. Could you please share more details, on any special hardware used and the software running in thin client ? Initially it was planned to setup with a single Quad-Core based XEON Server with 4 GB for 60 machines. but later I had suggested that, 2 Core-2 Duo PCs can be used for connecting 30 machines each. Now, 2 servers (Core-2 Duo, 2 GB RAM, 160 GB SATA HDD) was setup using two DHCP servers without using range options (Thanks to Mr. Raman for the DHCP suggestions and all 60 thinclients, were now based on reservation in DHCP). The entire Fedora-11 for i386 Everything Repository with rpmfusion was setup on both the server for their future applications needs (Nearly 14,000+ rpm packages) and also YUMEX was configured to install the applications graphically and the technical staffs are trained to manage the entire Thinclient setup. Applicatins used: Codeblocks with GCC, Firefox, OpenOffice.org. Now, the management wants to have a similar setup in their boys and girls hostel for totally 60 machines. S. Baskar CEO/LinuXpert Systems ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Indus Valley research - Need a PHP expert as volunteer
Hi Folks, The Indus Valley research group at chennai want to develop a web based system to upload their research articles, photos of IVC seals, to a website. They need a PHP programmer for helping them to develop this site. There would be some stipend or reward or a considerate amount to be paid for this work. But the pay cannot be market equivalent. So those who could treat this project as a National Service can come forward and send your profile. One of speciality in this project is that a high profile person from one of the MNC, is associated with this Indus valley research as a hobby. So any one working in this project will definitely have bright opportunities. What they need is some one to take over as project lead, and define the specifications and requirements. Then you can make use of other volunteers, to participate in the coding. We ILUGC members are long discussing about a Open Source indigenous product from India. Most of the open source PHP softwares being developed outside india. I hope, now we have a real time requirement to develop a small software for a national cause. Please let me know if any one is interested. You can contact me at 9840708857 Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Tally on Linux
On 9/20/09, Rajagopal Swaminathan raju.rajs...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, I have seen tally (IIRC 9.x)working under wine in couple of different distros. Hopefully a useful datapoint. Is there any good accounting software similar to tally in Open Source. GnuCash is NOT user friendly, in my opinion. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] My experience at a workshop at KCT college, Karur.
Dear Friends, I would like to share my experience in KCT college, Thalavapalayam, karur, where i conducted a simple workshop for the students. earlier Ravi Jaya had given a one day seminar a month back. I was invited for the Department function of IT. After the function is over, i just invited 15 interested students (only interested students) to the lab, and gave a basic intro of XAMPP server, and how to easily setup a internal server for college use. I gave a brief introduction of PHP, and how we can easily write and test our code in XAMPP server. For the first ten minutes, the students were mere spectator. I gave a demo of how we can utilise Joomla and learn about it. I installed joomla and showed them how easy to setup a website and update contents. While i installed XAMPP server in one machine, i asked few students to try accessing my server using IP through a browser.. this gave them a practical understanding of how webserver works.. Then i requested one of the student to try installing phpBB forum software.. Initially none of them came forward.. After few supporting words, few of them came forward, and started installing the forum software. and they successfully did it. After installing the forum, i asked other members to try accessing the forum from other machines.. this created an interest in them.. i told them, how we can effectively discuss about project ideas, using this forum software within college lab intranet.. They tried posting few posts in the forum and got very much interested.. The demo went for around half-an hour, and i have to leave then.. i told the students that they can easily do a simple project for their academic project in web technology itself.. I dont know how far they had understood all these.. But one point i was noticed.. without making the students do it practically, all our seminars tends to be fruitless.. Some students later commented that they are understanding ravi jaya's seminar only now.. I wish, we can identify some practical projects for the students and then make them learn open source by doing that project with our guidance... Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] do you need a CMS?
On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Vamsee Kanakala vkanak...@gmail.com wrote: We all can code with hand. What extra time we spend by 'coding by hand', it will be off-set by less-complicated administration overhead. There is a perfectly good way to update stuff (like committing to and deploying a public repo) on the alternatives too, both ilugc.org and ilugc.org.in - perhaps it's not 'real-time' like a CMS. But then, that real-time aspect also encourages spam. So I guess people can make up their own minds. A lot of man hours has been put in some popular open source CMS like joomla, drupal, wordpress etc, and also these CMS has been developed over a period of time, eg, 2 or 3 or 4 years. So, considering the amount of time required for those projects to mature to this level, its obvious, that we dont have that much resource of manpower to develop a project of that kind. We should try to utilise existing CMS as much possible, unless we are aiming for some different product. Regards, senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Difference between the Wordpress Drupal
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 5:33 PM, balachandar muruganantham mbchan...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Kannan kanna...@gmail.com wrote: Hi friends.. I have installed the wordpress drupal in my local system.Both are the web development tool. Both have the nice interfaces so. Wat is the difference between the wordpress drupal like CMS? i have written this some 3 yrs back. http://www.balachandar.net/blog125-2006-04-22.html at present, u can do anything with both the tools I feel, drupal has a relatively flexible architecture than wordpress. Drupal has an extensive and dynamic templating system, than wordpress. The plugin system of wordpress is different from the module feature of drupal. There each module has its own URL structure, whereas, in wordpress, the plugin is always automatically included. Performance wise, wordpress serves better. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] LAMP { PHP, PERL, PYTHON } Workshops
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Ravi Jaya ravi.goglob...@gmail.com wrote: All, I should thank ravi for immediately accepting my request. To be curious, how many in our group, are conducting workshops in colleges? It will be better if we know each other. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Foss becomes mandatory in Anna University Coimbatore
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Venkatraman S venka...@gmail.com wrote: 1. For what the course has to offer, Fifth semester is too early. This should be in the final year. 2. This course would fine tune a student's programming/exploratory skills, which should be done after learning the rudiments of programming and the associated theory. I feel, keeping this subject in 5th semester is a perfect one, because, the student will be empowered with a full-cycle programming environment, so that they can actually do some project in the final year. From my analysis, most of the students could not do their final year project, because, they dont have the technical knowhow, or familiarity with the development environment. Its like studying about BIke mechanics all the four years, and suddenly asked to repair a bike or rida bike. However, i feel, including LAMP as a subject may give only basic introduction. I havent yet seen the book yet. Unless we create a strong open source movement, that spearheads some really serious open source products, student may not actually learn much. We need the passion of people like Shivaji in our group, who had the interest and vision to make in to GSoC. Why dont we institutionalise such open source product development. Still i could find that most of our developers, are familiar only with coding, but NOT with architecture and design of the application. When i first started working in wordpress, the first thing, i tried to understand was the architecture of the application, that helped me a lot later. Just my few thoughts. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Too many connection in MYSQL
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Ramkumar ramkumar...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Friends, I changed max_connection value into 500.Then when i login through MYSQL Administrator and try to see threads.That shows number of sleeping threads.How can i rectify this sleeping threads.Then these threads will affect MYSQL DataBase's performance?.Thanks in advance again... We faced this issue for long time.. atlast found out that this occurs when the number of connections configured in Apache is more than the number of mysql connections.. So, check the apache configuration, and also Mysql configuration, and make sure, that the number of mysql connections is more than the number of max_connection in apache. This should definitely solve the problem.. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] tamil proj. reg
Hi Nagaraj, Just want to point out that you have top posted here. Please take care of this in your future mail.. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:55 AM, naga raja naga_ra...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Hello Mr.Senthil The idea that you gave its really fascinating..vocabularies are very important in a language. I too searched the web but still there is no such kind of projects in tamil.. still more i m learning ,how to implement and in what so that it can reach all peoples i will study your idea throughly and will say about my(our) project Thanks for accepting my idea. there is no such project, and if implemented, it would be path breaking not only for tamil, but for all other languages.. We will have a unique open source project in the world. :) Please let me know, if you want to discuss further on this.. you can contact me at 9840708857 Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Aligning final year projects to Real life scenarios.
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 2:43 PM, S.Selvam s.selvams...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 2:03 AM, kish realmai...@gmail.com wrote: yes,this is selvam,studied in Jaya Engineering college,I have started to add Tamil spell checking capability to Gedit editor as a plugin and you could find details here, https://launchpad.net/~tamilspellcheckerhttps://launchpad.net/%7Etamilspellchecker I started it as my final year project with the guidance of Amachu and Sivaji(Gsoc) , my juniors have started to extend its features(eg. need to refine the words ) and add similar feature to Open Office.They are doing it as their final year project. I feel, this is a very practical project, conceptualised from real life scenarios. Most of the students in colleges do not know what to do in final year projects, and they end up in some imaginary or impractical ideas in choosing the projects. I would suggest, that we could focus on real life scenarios, and identify the problems existing there, which can be taken as a project by the academic students. We can list out such real life scenarios in our website, for further discussion and adoption. Such effor twould be a mutually beneficial both to the industry and to the student community. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] project
Hi, On 8/15/09, naga raja naga_ra...@yahoo.co.in wrote: can anyone suggest any kind of tamil related projects For long, i had this in my mind.. let me know if it interests you. For any language, vocabulary indicates its richness. because, words represent virtually everything, whether its object, or an abstract thought, or an emotional feeling. So, richness in vocabulary means, refined representation of ideas and objects. Now coming to the core point, English had the vast set of vocabulary, which is used for comparative analysis and also differential learning. For example, the meaning for discovery and invention is different in english context, but its represented by the same word in tamil. There are many technical words, which doesnt have an equivalent word in tamil. Which means, we could not represent those technical subjects properly here. The need of the hour is to create new words in tamil to represent the developments, but at the same time, acceptable to the people. For that, we can develop a collobarative platform, so that learned tamil scholars, (also common people) across the globe, could suggest tamil words for english words, and discuss about that. When more people participate in that, we have more number of choices of words, and as it matures, we can choose a best fitting word for each english word. I have few suggestions. 1. The requirement document for this project can be maintained in tamil itself. (an initiative for software development in tamil) 2. This can be developed as a long term project with wide participation, and such a project can become wikipedia of tamil.. (for words) 3. If it clicks, we can get funding from tamilnadu government too :) Advanced apology, if my idea is too silly. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] ISRO Bhuvan: Not for GNU/Linux users
On 8/15/09, Bhargav Prasanna bhargavprasa...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Guru Prasathapras...@gmail.com wrote: I sent them feedback. And this is what i got: Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e10' [Microsoft][SQL Native Client]COUNT field incorrect or syntax error /Bhuvan/WebClient/PresentationLayer/WebClient/feedback.asp, line 214 I checked this site, and the first thing i noted was, it was developed in ASP. Its sad, that they could not even develop properly, in the user friendly RAD model. Regards, senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
Hi, My suggestions below.. On 8/1/09, Shakthi Kannan shakthim...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, --- | 4) I saw the sites you wanted me to go through. The obstacle there was that | it is a freaking ocean out there and I am to pick a drop of water out of | that. I am really confused as to which project I should choose even within a | particular sub category :( \-- What you need to do: 1. Find F/OSS projects online that work with cryptography. Maybe they need something to be implemented, and you can contact the developer mailing list, and start working on it. Developers will be able to help you on mailing lists, IRC. I have a practical example where you take it as a challenge. Recently, i was given the assignment of implementing single sign on in a webapplication (PHP) running in Linux, to use the windows AD Kerberos authentication. There is not enough material in the net, and i tried implementing mod_ntlm and kerberos authentication, but without success. Due to this, there is a consideration to move the website to windows based server, and this problem of integrating in to windows domain, is a big obstacle to fully embracing open source technologies. Our management, had taken a couple of decision to fully implement few applications in sharepoint itself, for the convenience of inter-operatbility and single signon. I feel, taking such an assignment of developing/enhancing solutions for open source technologies to seamlessly inter-operate with windows network, will be a fruitful experience. Ofcourse, as shakthi kannan said, if your motive is to get an MS using this, you may miss a lot of things. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
On 8/7/09, Gaurav Paliwal gaurav.paliwal1...@gmail.com wrote: I feel, taking such an assignment of developing/enhancing solutions for open source technologies to seamlessly inter-operate with windows network, will be a fruitful experience. I think shibboleth more or less do the same I think, shibboleth is web-single signon similar to CAS. (pls correct me, if i am wrong). What's required in my company is to utilise the windows integrated authentication. ie, when a user logs in his desktop within intranet, he should be able to access all intranet sites, without prompting for user credentials.. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
On 7/8/09, Arulalan T tarula...@gmail.com wrote: Hi to all, I planned to do all the following syllabus projects using Ruby On Rails . But my Staffs are not supporting to do this semester projects in other Languages. I just wanted to share, that a team of final year students from Mahendra engg college had done their final year projects in RoR. They created a project in rubyforge, for this, and uploaded their files in the SVN. http://rubyforge.org/projects/eduerp/ They too had faced the same kind of issue, and after some level of patient explanation, their HOD accepted it. The project was NOT a hi-fi one, but just an attempt to develop a web-based ERP software for their college. They could only develop a basic prototype version, and submitted it for their final year project. The advantage they had over others is that, they were able to explain in detail about RoR, their project, how they did it, and other technology they used like SVN etc, while other students who purchased could not do so. So, considering the immense support from this ILUGC group, i feel, you should be able to persuade your HOD to allow you. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] anna univ affliated curriculum does not allow to do 5th sem proje in OpenSource, need help
On 8/7/09, Srinivasan Sundararajan srini...@gmail.com wrote: hi all: if possible, we could have a demo on select projects on the software freedom day, may even give prizes for the top three or so ; more importantly, announce that FOSS projects to be done during 2009-10 even sem will get support from us ; ILUG-C in collaboration with NRCFOSS will evaluate the projects ; selected ones will be put on demo (in may/june 2010?) and prizes / certificates offered from nrcfoss. While ILUG-C could focus on TN colleges, other groups could get this going in their respective states. Srinivasan. Actually, my suggestion was to have a larger project in each college, and every batch of students contribute a module or part of that big project. It is in that plan, that i started eduerp for mahendra college. But i could not get the next batch to continue working on it. We all know that open source projects require persistence, consistency, and long term planning. Wordpress is being developed for the past 4 years, and drupal for more than 6 years. So as all other open source projects like phpbb, open bravo etc.. The reason why indians could not come out with such projects is because of lack of project planning, and also the fact that our academic project syllabus is so premature. I hope, like minded persons in ILUGC can come forward and guide the students towards major open source projects. Atleast, if each college could house one major open source projects, (Whether existing, or new concept), subsequent batches coming out of that college, can contribute a module to it, and enrich that software in to a useful thing. In this case, it need not be a final year project. The students can join right from their third year starting, and whatever the work they do, may be considered for final year projects. Suggestions please! Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Microsoft Fights back with FIRE
Recently, i heard from my neighbour that microsoft is selecting students from various engineering colleges for training abroad.. my neighbour's daughter also got selected, and they were so thrilled upon this.. While i could understand the tactics of microsoft, i could not explain it to them as they might not understand.. Microsoft is canvassing by the lure of travel abroad and also creating a hype.. Regards, senthil On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Arun SAG saga...@gmail.com wrote: http://sagarun.googlepages.com/MicrosoftLiveedu.pdf See how far Microsoft penetrates inside poor engineering colleges in India.Pleases HOD,Principals,MSP's with windows mobile ;) (aka: gentle bribe) Regards Arun SAG -- A computer is like air conditioning: it becomes useless when you open windows. -Fighting 4 Freedom- ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Open Source now in political domain
Hi, http://news.rediff.com/report/2009/mar/14/loksabhapoll-bjp-to-promote-free-open-software.htm While i do not want to bring politics here, i would like to highlight the amount of awareness that the above news could bring in. If other political parties follow the same announcement, then open source will get a boost. Already some of the political leaders are using open source to great extent. For example, in www.lkadvani.in joomla and wordpress is used. And they are using phplist for the mailing list too. Do any one have info on how other political leaders are using open source? Regards, senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Quasar - Accounting Package
First of all, i apologise for top posting (in my last mail) to kenneth :) I forgot to mention another tool.. Xtuple's postbooks.. this is also a very good one, that's available both as open source (OpenMFG) and commercial.. http://www.xtuple.com/postbooks ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Quasar - Accounting Package
I tried openerp, and its UI is very good.. it needs some level of training for using it.. But the value of the software can be ascertanined only based on how successfully it is developed.. Openerp uses postgresql.. UI based on GTK library dont know how tinyERP can suit this.. I think, if we could project the business usability of open source tools such as tinyERP, openerp, ERP5 (exclusively for apparels industry), and openbravo, opentaps etc, we can popularise FLOSS tools very easily.. Currently, i am using gnuCash for maintaining my personal accounts.. but the reporting seems to be not user friendly.. but for maintaining personal accounts, its a very good tool.. Regards, Senthil On 12/17/08, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Wednesday 17 Dec 2008 2:19:10 pm ம. ஸ்ரீ ராமதாஸ்|Sri Ramadoss M wrote: I feel for Evaluation purpose we can discuss features available in a non-free software that should be made available in a Free Software. this was not that type of disuccion - someone recommended Kalkulate - which is not free software. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Linux Introduction class for ELCOT Laptop users
VirtualBox is there. but they dont know about it. I tried installing XP inside virtual box. But the size of display area inside the virtual machine is small.. But other than that, suse linux is very nice to use with all pre-loaded softwares. For normal students, the plethora of softwares loaded in suse may be a burden.. they can in turn use ubuntu linux.. I tried to find apache server in the installation, but could not find.. Software installation is little bit difficult in suse.. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Software Freedom Day 08 at Kamban Engg collge, Tiruvannamalai
The students - really pearls. Very highly motivated, intelligent and dedicated especially one Shivamoorthy. I am sure FOSS community will get few more sudharshans from here. Its great to know the success of the event. Its high time that we have to move the next level... in finding out how we can use the FOSS for our own improvement in practical life.. ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] eGranary
Now, is it possible to handle both system, the normal internet eGranary in one browser simultaneously? I want to bring this flexibility to the student that, no one need to change this proxy anymore, when anyone wants to use eGranary, he/she can use it; and when anyone wants to user internet, it will be ok too... in same web browser.I searched but didn`t find too much about this. I dont know if this solution would work... Host egranary app in port 80.. in the browser, add the url for the egranary in the proxy exclusion list.. In our company we are doing this.. In IE, there is a check box Bypass proxy for all intranet URL's In this way, the browser automatically bypasses the proxy if an intranet url is used. Regards, Senthil Raja ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: FYI: ELCOT Student Labtop Offer
/ As for the durability of the Acer, only time will tell - but it survived the Elcot Firewalk test, it runs fairly cool, and it is a stock Intel Santa Rosa platform - so I have no concerns at the moment. The build quality is superb, and is better than high-end Tadpole Sparcbooks and Apple Macbooks in fit and finish. In short, a fabulous deal from Elcot, and let's hope they repeat it next year or make it a regular annual event. Kudos to Umashanker and his team for their hard work and execution that made this possible! -Siva /* Thanks siva for your extensive feedback.. I feel, the trust that i placed on Umashankar have rewarded.. For me, the laptop was despatched on 6-sep, but still yet to receive the communication. I heard, that a lot of colleges had made use of this initiative.. My relative student, said just in his college alone, there around 600 orders this year.. They provided an offer to the student to pay in installments along with the fees of coming semesters, and with interest, it was charged at Rs.35,000 Eagerly waiting for the laptop, after seeing your feedback. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Efficiency of Projects in Mono
Porting .NET to Linux will definitely help Microsoft. Perhaps not in direct Windows sales, but in the platform war against Java. Microsoft is already heavily involved in adding .NET support for Python, Ruby, etc. Back in 2000 my university was funded by Microsoft to port our Mercury programming language to .NET. An increased .NET marketshare, will certainly benefit Microsoft. Yes.. its very true.. there is this possibility also.. it will provide a very good chance for all .NET developers to embrace linux.. existing of mono-develop and sharp-develop will make them dump visual studio for small and medium projects.. Windows sales will be dropped, the VStudio sales would be dropped, if the Mono matures in to stable product.. But in overall, the benefit to microsoft is more than losses.. Hence i suggested Ruby on Rails for the final year engineering students for doing their project.. (earlier i was thinking of suggesting .NET in Mono) I went thru the .NET architecture.. the main advantage of CLR format in .NET is that its converted to native code the first time it is executed, and all subsequent runs will use the compiled code.. but the java byte code is compiled everytime it was run.. Cant Java fill this gap easily? Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] foss hardware workshop at Ooty
also curious does this model work out in cyber cafe's in us and european nations? from what i understand from various people whom i have talked to including cafe owners, they use MS Windows. why do you think that it would work particularly in India? Recently my brother went to sweden for higher studies. He plans to buy a laptop there.. and he found that windows vista is the default OS supplied in all the machine.. But many of the programs in windows doesnt work in vista.. I just sent an astro software that works in XP here to a person there, and he could not run it in vista.. few years down the line, when there is possibility of vista becomeing standard, then users will find both Linux and vista equally new.. Btw, on the war of Linux vs Windows in cyber cafe's, kenneth's suggestion of mixed machines is the best solution.. few of the systems can be linux and the server can be linux.. by this, we have choices to give to customer.. Those who just want to browse can use Linux and those who want windows, also has the offer.. Since mozilla has been widely used now, switching to linux for browsing purpose wont make much difference.. Open office can perform most of the works that MS word does.. But, its the user experience that ultimately matters.. I feel, Open Office has not reached the level to match Word's sophisticated UI and user experience. but functionally we can do most of the things MS does.. As i said long back, this can be a good case point for the academic students to take on.. identify where OO lacks w.r.t wonword, and then take that as a mini project or academic project.. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Efficiency of Projects in Mono
Hi, I was going through Mono and Mono develop few days back. It was said, that mono is a .NET port for linux, spearheaded by Novell. Can Mono be an efficient tool for commercial projects? If its so, why its not widely adopted? There is a good IDE similar to Visual Studio, and it would provide a good dev platform for application projects. Is there any review of Mono to know more about its viability? regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Efficiency of Projects in Mono
is it a proved one or still a fiction, if so, it could save handsome money for my clients and i could happily port everthing to linux box. As per the mono website, (http://www.mono-project.com/Software), two applications developed in it caught my attention - http://www.splendidcrm.com/ (a port of sugar crm) - Deki Wiki I feel, if Mono is really feasible, we can establish it for RAD for some realtime business applications.. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Efficiency of Projects in Mono
also look at dotgnu - I think it is closer to dotnet as it uses C# I just googled for comparing dotgnu and mono.. the following articles are interesting http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/02/11/mono_and_dotgnu_whats/ http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3361991 It seems, only Microsoft is going to get benefitted by either Mono or DotGNU.. But clearly, Mono is in an advantageous position.. A lot of commercial applications has been developed using Mono.. particularly the dekiwiki from mindtouch.com looks promising.. Any alternate views? particularly on whether microsoft will get benefitted out of .NET port to linux? Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] 2 day FOSS workshop for faculty in the Kongu region
its happening in all the TTP. The staff's only argument is, why we want to learn a topic from out of syllabus. Still FOSS is an elective paper. They will not take it as seriously until it will be one of the main subject in their curriculum. Target the students.. they cant ignore, as it enhances the career.. Two years before, i tried approaching the HOD of a college.. But, there was not much response, as the information is not clearly conveyed.. (rather the opportunity does not arise).. Now, from the same college, i have formed a 4 member team.. who are very much interested.. I took some efforts on my own initially to teach the basic.. Now, they used to call me often for any help and i am relaxed.. And when we have a set of team listening us (whether its student or lecturers), we can then direct them to the source of learning.. The underlying motto is Give only when they seek.. .. but for that, we need to create the interest in them.. So, in the next conference, the students can also be invited along with the faculties.. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] 2 day FOSS workshop for faculty in the Kongu region
too many item for two days, i feel. not necessarily will all items be covered. depends on the speakers. if there are more items we can divide into two tracks. the idea is to give them a taste of a wide range of foss goodies so that they will be eager for more in-depth workshops in the future. I second ramdas.. Its too much information in two days.. Any way.. this is a best initiative in terms of FOSS, and i understand that its a introduction seminar that would drive interests to the faculty for further practical workshops.. However, what i feel was that, we need to change the methodology and approach in delivering foss.. We can explain different scenarios, and then explain how we can use FOSS technologies there.. Just my few cents... ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Women in Free Software Community
/** since you are incapable of understanding what is top posting and why you should not do it, how can you explain anything to anyone? **/ /** Bleh[1]: Please do not top post and please chop off old signatures when you are quoting past mails. **/ I am extremely sorry for top posting.. kenneth.. i understood top posting thanks your guidance earlier.. Now this is a careless mistake on my part, and i apologize for that.. /** I would beg to differ on your opinion, we cannot associate open source with anything peculiar or particular like 'strategic mindset'. Its a way of life...the choices some of us have made..And I strongly oppose generalizing on basis of gender or 'whatever'. It's just that its a male dominated society where in we believe that we are superior, which is quite quite incorrect. **/ I am not talking of male superiority.. i am of the opinion that no one can be superior in all aspects over others.. Everyone have their unique strength and weakness.. Infact, women are superior in many of the aspects than men.. so no question of supporting male domination here.. /** Open source needs open minds and whoever has it will be successful. There are lots of successful women in FOSS world, especially in area which need creative, patient minds. As far as I am exposed to Ubuntu project, there are lots of women participating in higher levels of managing the project. I also know few womens who are more like brand names in Usability and HCI area, especially in KDE circles. We also have women from India contributing to the Linux kernel project itself. We have lots of Indian women involved in Localization projects. **/ Regarding women's participation in FOSS, i am not generalising any thing.. i just expressed the underlying reason, that i had opined.. There is no second thought women should be encouraged to participate.. Btw, i am a fan of Alolita Sharma who writes regularly at LFY.. we can see her blog at http://opensourcebuzz.blogspot.com/ However, the fact that there is only negligible women members participating in the discussion here, cannot be overlooked.. Hope, i am not top posting now.. Regards, Senthil Raja ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Open Source Implementation at mahendra engg College
Hi All, Hope, everyone remember my earlier mail on possible implementation of open source software for regular day to day use in colleges. As a follow up, i have prepared a team of 4 final year students in mahendra engg colelge, mallasamudram, tcode, and they have sourced a separate machine and installed wiki, blogs and forums in that machine. The principal seems to be encouraging these students.. I used the following setup.. 1. WAMP server 2. Mediawiki 3. Wordpress 4. phpBB I had a mobile conference with them, guiding them clearing their doubts.. Although, the above softwares are very simple, they had lot of obstacles, and now, they seem to be confident of installing and deploying the applications.. There was question of how to sustain these applications in future.. we have proposed to build a team comprising of students from 2nd year, in training on Open source web development, so that the skill set could continue in future.. Next step: -- To install a mail server (available in ubuntu server edition) and use an open source mail client, preferrably Thunderbird, at each of the officials systems. Initially, it would be configured in principal's system, all HOD's and staffs. Later, a web based mail client can be setup so that each student would be given a mail id, which they can access over the browser... Request: I do not have experience in setting up a mail server. So, can any one who has experience in this, pls let me know, so that i could contact in case of any help. Also, any inputs or suggestions regarding this are welcome.. Regards, Senthil Raja ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] AEC IT and Rural India Conference
/** 1.Village GIS system: This will use the openstreetmap to provide all information like vao office, schools etc. 2.Agri/botanical information. The details about the crop, soil and other such information to be aggregated using some tool. . . **/ This is an excellent suggestion and a nice idea.. However, to avoid the risk of being theoritical, can we evolve a set of use cases, on how the people at rural villages would be using these informations.. Instead of taking up bulk of suggestions at one time, can we take few important suggestions, and then work in details, right from conceptual to implementation, and sustainability. Analysis of the predicted outcome in that area because of this project, would help us improve the clarity of our goals.. Some of my suggestions: 1. Establish Connectivity at rural areas, through Fibre Optics. And then persuading IT related companies to setup office there. Initially, BPO's can start with this. Once we could make a pilot project successful, i feel, more will follow up. Some of my predicted Usage Scenarios: -- - People working in BPOs tend to settle in villages (due to reduced living cost work availability) . This will bring in economy there, which provide more opportunities. As a result, shops with urban items would be setup, clinics would be opened, good theatres will come, and these people would be a good market for the surrounding farmers, to sell their produces. Over the period of time, good schools would be setup, and thus, a complete cycle of basic requirements will be available. - The rural people have immediate accessibilitie to the educated ITES for any help or guidance. and the local people by implicit start learning IT business. 2. I think, now internet connection is available in all Panchayat Offices. We can approach the government, and use that connectivity to setup small browsing centres and computer centre. But, that should not teach them c or c++.. rather, that should teach only the tools and softwares necessary and beneficial to those rural people.. They should not be trained to merely consume the information.. Rather, they should be able to contribute their knowledge back, even though its not that much technical or sophisticated.. Training the people to express themselves will bring drastic change in their thought process. Some examples are: 1. Creating a issue resolution system there. So that any knowledge person can go to browsing center, and log in their complaints for view by their panchayat leader. This would enable them to maintain issue history, which they can review and analyse in the long run. 2. To create a local forum to discuss about their issues. (the forums accessible in the browsing centre..) And for using all these, they need to know typing. We can setup a small typing training centre.. And all these in our Mother Tongue.. and they should be trained to type in Mother Tongue first. I dont know if its practical or not.. But, my approach to problem is Enhancing our life with IT tools, rather than enhancing the tools with our life.. ie, first we need to understand our requirement.. then when we get a new knowledge/tools/technology, how can we use it for improving our current situation.. how can we adapt it to our lifestyle.. If we think in this framework, we can be more indigenous, and automatically innovation will emerge, when we start implementing it.. Regards, Senthil Raja ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] My First Session for Engineering students
Hi All, Last sunday, i gave a seminar to 3 engg students on Web server, MySQL server, PHP, and some basics of web programming, like sending form variables procesing it in server using PHP, updating mysql and retrieving from it. The students were very encouraged at this, and in the evening they called me and said, We are very interested and they started working on a sample project for resume/profile management. And i am sure, in their final year project, they would be able to do a project on their own. I also gave them the demonstration of how to install a typical PHP application like Mediawiki, forum, wordpress blogs etc. But more than that, i gave them an idea, on how to bring those softwares in to common use in their college. I have already expressed in this ILUG group. I will again recall it below. 1. To implement Knowledge Management Portal in their college using Media wiki. I gave them an idea of how easily we can create new pages, and manage our data, and they are very much interested. 2. To implement an announcement portal using wordpress, for every department. This announcement portal would be used to publish all circulars issued by the principals and HOD. They would be discussing with their HOD and staffs and get back to me by this week. One thing i observed from this experience is that there are enough students who are very much interested to learn. The problem is that there is complete lack of guidance and support from knowledged quarters. Without these basic knowledge they felt handicapped and could not implement any of their ideas even if they are very much interested. When i sat down with them, they came with lot of ideas, and i just told them how easily we can implement those with WAMP/LAMP tools. I would like to bridge this knowledge divide, and i am thinking of how to interlink those industry professionals and academic students. My goal is to implant the basic knowledge to as much students as possible, so that they would be able to implement their ideas. And it should be a participative mode. The three students whom i taught would be further teaching another 5 students (of different college) in the coming week. I also want to make sure, that not any single college exploits the knowledge acquired by these students. For this, the solution is to diffuse this knowledge to other colleges, and enable inter college participation on this. I also suggested them to add Open Source concepts and particularly on FOSS tools in the symposium that they are going to do. Some suggestions: 1. What i have done is very basic thing, that need not require any expertise or great skills. However, to actually get a momentum, we need to establish knowledge pockets, on advanced technicalities like Building a Linux Distro from source, knowledge on compiling methods, linux programming etc. 2. We can evolve a list of basic skills needed for the students, and volunteer to teach them at some selected colleges. Once a team is formed, then those students should volunteer to teach their juniors and other college students. This will create innumerable opportunities and would unleash the creativity of young minds. Imagine, if atleast few in each college knows how to build a linux distro, we would have atleast a dozen customized distro in india. -- I am sorry if i am too impractical. But i just shared some of my vision with you all. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] ERP software
/** I have to use an Enterprise Resource Planning software for one of my friend`s textile factory **/ I came across a software called ERP5 , that's specially designed for Apparell industry. I havent tried it out, but i feel it could be a good choice. WebERP: I think, its not that much usable in the present context. If we could tweak some PHP code there, we can make it usable. Opentaps: One of my friend's friend is working on opentaps. The UI is well, and simple. Since its based on OFBiz, (apache's another project), it may be given a try. Open Bravo: I think, it has too much of features, and the UI is not that much friendly. (To my very limited knowledge and experience) Regards, Senthil Raja ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] My First Session for Engineering students
LFS was one of the most interesting things I did :D. And yeah. I believe ABS must be a part of every Linux curriculum. http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ ++1 :) I am wondering if we need customized distros. It would actually work better if we had a StudentForce GNU/Linux or something like that with a ground up package manager and 0 config tools (so that people dont depend on a single tool for grow up the *nix way) . Here we can allocate a package or two to every interested student and watch it progress.. I am sure it will grow into a hge distro. Of course we can have trusted users, community repos etc. I love the Archlinux project for that. I am recommending bcoz, only if student understands the full compiling process they can work on individual modules effectively. They need not customize the distro.. but, they can atleast know how to compile it from source and make it running.. Personally i feel, there are lot of customizations needed for the Linux, to match microsoft.. probably high level customization.. It would also help in localising the distros Regards, SEnthil ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] PHP in Enterprise Organizations
/** I think I know what you are talking about. I agree that our company has some operations. But how many are customer facing? Out of the 1000s what % would be FOSS? Just curious. **/ I agree.. however, still there are customer facing projects .. i also worked on another customer project implementing oscommerce . I heard a couple of other projects like drupal etc for the customer project. There are also some client projects on Movable Type Blogging software too. The quantity is too low, compared to commercail products. Generally, i encourage students to learn a technology in its complete life cycle.. ie, if one opts to learn PHP, then apache, mysql, webdesigning like HTML, CSS, GIMP .. all comes in to the loop.. There are lot of freelance projects, particularly on social networking one.. One of my friend is working exclusively on implementing opentaps for his customer.. I feel, when techies of open source raise above programming and concentrate on architecture, we can certainly match commercial vendors.. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FOSS awareness program acheivement
LinuXpert Systems has completed its 100th FOSS awareness program successfully. This program has been conducted in various colleges all over TamilNadu. The schedule of program is available at the following link http://linuxbaskar.googlepages.com/ Congrajulations Baskar.. i second kenneth in having your own domain .. ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] PHP in Enterprise Organizations
/** What about Job Opportunities for PHP in Enterprise Organizations? ** I am working in an MNC, and i am working on Wordpress.. We implemented wordpress multi user in our company, and my career was based on it for the past two years.. and believe it, out of all internal portals, the blog portal is heavy success.. When i started with wordpress it was nightly build version of Multi user version.. and due its success, we are now working on porting the code to latest version.. (we had lot of customizations done here).. So, its not just PHP.. we have to complete the lifecylce.. i mean, the LAMP Administration, Linux Commands, if possible Unix Shell Scripting, and some practical knowledge like backup mechanism, etc.. Definitely these skills will help in getting job in an MNC.. More than PHP, i feel, knowledge on Open Source software would be the best job opportunity.. Regards, Senthil ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] to start iilugc in sri krishna college of engg tech coimbator
/** i am sathis kumar systems manager for sri krishna college of engg tech , coimbatore. our college interested in using open source software. Now we are in the process of setting up separate open source lab and open source wireless lab. our management and principal intrested to start INDIAN LINUX USER GROUP IN OUR College. so please reply the procedures to start the forum **/ Sathish, This is really a great news that some one from colleges is taking the initiative. However, you havent specified your requirements exactly. What are the areas you want to use open source software? I am lobbying my sister to implement mail server, webserver in her college (kumarasamy college, karur), which she also agreed. I have also canvassed a couple of students in Mahendra college to implement the same there.. I feel, it is the simple starting of some serious opensource technologies at the college level. My proposal is that can we form a network of college professors, to share and diverse open source knowledge and skill sets? Regards, senthil Raja ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Volunteering - ways and means
/*** May be. But surely not every head and tail of it. Until unless you keep going through them and put them in practice, even the favorite things vanish from memory. He was not able to remember the tags because he had used them only a few times. He will start remembering things once he starts using them more and more, and deciding that he is not interested just because he can't remember them the very next time is not wise. / You have hit the nail.. this is what i am referring to.. we need to devise ways so that people participate in realtime projects.. either existing project or a new one based on our requirements.. like a college management project, or school management etc. Let our new approach be a initiator for the larger academic transformation, both in school colleges.. at any cost, we need to come out of the macaulay system, which produces only clerks and educated coolies :) Imagine, if the education department enforces a law, which makes it mandatory for the student to participate in any of the real time projects right from second year.. (backed by proper planning and infrastructure).. Btw, i heard from a professor that Anna University is working on to network all engg colleges by OFC.. if its so, this would unleash new era of connectivity.. But, as usual, we are still underequipped to utilise it.. Regards, Senthil Raja ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Volunteering - ways and means
/** Again, NRCFOSS is working on the above aspects. They organize sessions for college faculties so that they can teach FOSS related subjects to their students. Suggest you introduce your sister to members of the NRCFOSS org. **/ /** The sad part is that many students, who in their college days embrace FOSS, loose interest in it once they get a job. **/ I dont support just sessions or seminars on FOSS.. I remember how seminars, sessions conducted in technical events.. the students just dont listen much, for variety of reasons, including their lack of practical knowledge.. Even if some one listen, the knowledge dissipates due to lack of practice.. I would like quote yet another new method i followed in introducting FOSS to my relative who is studying 3rd year in mahendra engg college.. Initially, for the first two days i was introducing him about open source, linux, linux commands, web server, html, php, wiki.. at the end of the second day, i observed, that he dont understand any of those things.. Then i made him use some of the basic linux commands, like ls, cd, etc.. he too practiced it.. On the third day, i downloaded xxamp stack, and demonstrated how to install.. i patiently made him do all those things.. ALAS.. he doesnt remember the ls and cd commands that he practiced before.. I again taught him those, and linked those commands to some practical situations, like moving to a particular folder to start xampp server etc. Then he learned about how to start xxampp server, .. till now, he did not have any idea of web server.. then i demonstrated, how we can access the webserver from browser as localhost.. now he could get some idea.. but not fully.. Then on the third day i guided him to create a folder for him under htdocs of xampp folder, and then asked to practice some html tags.. He did all those tags, but he could not remember those tags after some time.. he was interested in surfing cricket scores.. Suddenly i got an idea.. I asked him Do you want to desing your own IPL site for displaying cricket score? .. he got interested.. and he slowly started emulating the ipl score site.. As usual, the desired layout did not appear.. but he searched through, and started making the site.. Now, i first told how the site should appear, and left some time for him to think.. then i guided him how to achieve that functionality using html.. now he easily learned html, how to link multiple pages and then navigation.. Next, i taught him PHP, on how we can simplify reduntant html pages using server side program.. he then started implementing that.. instead of database, i told him initialise data using arrays.. And at last, i taught him how to install some basic open source softwares like phpbb forum, wordpress etc. I am sure, he might not have understood much of the things, as he is very new to the technological side. But the point i want to note is that theoritical sessions wont help in any way to the students.. They can just know the names, and only if they are interested.. Practical sessions may help a little bit, but one day session may not be much useful.. So, what is the solution to break this deadlock Infuse vision among the students staffs.. we have to demonstrate how we can enhance our life (both work and personal) using FOSS.. and how we can improve an existing setup using foss.. Once they get the vision, then the learning automatically happens.. The foundation itself is not laid down yet.. So, what are the things that we can do to lay the foundation.. 1. Develop practical knowledge on Essential basics of software and development. it should be in a complete cycle.. - Web server, database, PHP, GIMP, HTML authoring - the basic constituents of any web development.. if we strive to teach this, we have to teach all.. Just a session on web server alone will be of no use. - gcc, module dependencies, compiling, building existing modules and running it, IDE, - kernel basics, device driver, compiling, and deploying - gtk+ or Qt+, GUIprogramming python, database connectivity, (it will make a complete cycle where one can develop a practical application using these knowledge. - Gambas/Mono, database connectivity, application programming 2. Prepare some practical scenarios in colleges where FOSS can be made for every day use. - mail server deployed locally opened to internet - wiki, forums, blogs as announcement medium - maintaining webserver, firewall.. server clusters, load balancing - all connected to internet - Research oriented application - RFID, image recognition, wireless, mobile 3. We, the FOSS enthusiasts should first start our own networking portal, with wiki, forums, gallery, videos, file directory, project management, common user management, course management etc... the main purpose, is that we are discussion lot of thing in the mails, which is not manageable. If we could
Re: [OT] Volunteering (was Re: [Ilugc] Google vs Yahoo, again!)
/** My observation/comments are specific to smaller and local activities. Case in point, the FOSS related conferences I have attended. Only handful of volunteers come forward to organize, execute, and manage the events. Invariably, I have seen the same few faces (of the dedicated individuals) working their a** off. **/ Its not only volunteering. However, the management of volunteers. If there is a pool of 10 to 20 volunteers, and if there is no one to manage it, then it will disappear.. Debian is one example of volunteer base.. but there is a core team which manages all.. similarly, wordpress, and other popular open source softwares are well managed by core team. If we could form a core team to define a clear objective manage the volunteers, we can bring about a change. Expecting everything to happen out of itself may not be practical.. Just my few cents Regards, SEnthil ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: [OT] Volunteering - ways and means
If you say the benefit is KNOWLEDGE then that education father will say, Hah, we don't need that. If you say the benefit is FREEDOM then that education father will say, Hah, we don't want to give that to stud/lect. If you say the benefit is FREE then education father ask Will you provide free service for us to use FOSS :) If we say, this much thousands of rupees be saved, then they will immediately show interest :) we have all the drawbacks in our engineering colleges.. but we have to sail through that, if we want to pursue our vision.. ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] how share a folder in ubuntu to windows network
I am using ubuntu FF and i want to share a folder onto my windows network,I am newb and i am not able to share the folder on Windows network(it does not have a domainonly connected via workspace) Just two weeks back, i successfully configured samba in RHEL 5. Although i configured it in command line, later i found RHEL 5 has simple GUI for easy configuration. Pls check if you have any such desktop GUI application in Ubuntu server edition for configuring samba. ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Old Computers, Rs. 14 /- per k.g.
As already informed about clearing very old computers from my school at salem, i have sold 286, 286, and 486 machines for Rs. 14/- per k.g. by next week , few PI, PII with 166 MHz, 233 MHz with 16MB , 32MB RAM will be sold [ for Rs. 16/- per k.g ? ] . Few members of this ILUGC contacted me, but all are pre occupied or having some practical difficulties. Since i am in Salem, Tamil Nadu., i can not send the machines to any other place , also , people who need these computer , may not come and get it [ no time and not cost effective ]. My native is namakkal, and i have a 486 machine unused along with monitor. Can you please give me the contact details where i can also sell my old computers? Regards, Senthil Raja ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] successfully setup samba share
2. the /etc/hosts was earlier changed to a different name server. I changed it to correct one. err, name servers are in /etc/resolv.conf and not /etc/hosts. This could have an effect if you have DNS for your internal hosts; pointing it to the correct name server is very important. Yes.. it was resolv.conf . But after i restarted the server the share access was very fast comparatively to other windows share. Does this not restore your faith in open source solutions? :) I never lost my faith in open source :) .. btw, this was a good experienec, as i configured samba for first time.. The reason why i went for this solution is to setup web dev folder for my team.. each of my team member was configured a web folder in server apache, and the folder was shared to them.. I created share level security and assigned the samba user to their folder.. This enables us to deploy this share as network folder and work directly on it using eclipse running in our local desktop.. this avoids setting up local wamp server for each of them.. Regards, Senthil Raja ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] successfully setup samba share
This is a great scenario of work group setup. Suggest you document your setup (the entire thing i.e. samba, apache, eclipse IDE on the desktops) in a wiki/blog so that others can also benefit from what you learnt. You could also contribute it as an article to e-zines. Thanks.. i will surely document my experience in detail.. I thought it was the usual practice followed everywhere.. ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] RE: requirement for Open Source Web Designer, Web Developer in open web group
/** whole idea behind open web group is to develop simple and sophisticated web applications that one could make use it in his day to day life. **/ Is it for commercial or for Non-Profit? /** It is very much opened for student community, to make themselves a contributors for the society , **/ Some of the students i know dont have knowledge on PHP or MySQL.. But they want to learn some thing.. Can i refer them.. Basically, i feel this is a fantastic idea.. If we could conceptualise some theme, and start working on it, we can establish our own FOSS software. apart from that, we can also direct students to contribute to NGO's to manage their tasks. I did a small project for an NGO called chirag, within my organisation, so that they could organize gift collection easily through online. Now they are requesting me to help them to enable this feature in their website. [[ I would be glad to explain more on this, for implementation in other corporates too.. ]] If any of the students are interested, i would be able to guide them to help this NGO. Technical requirements are: PHP, MySQL, and knowledge on AJAX. If we could match the requirements and the volunteers, a lot of benefits will happen to both the contributors and the NGO's. Regards, Senthil Raja ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] Security in Ubuntu
Hi, I installed edubuntu fiesty, and later on forgot the password. In a guess, i tried in recovery mode, and i got the shell prompt. I attempted to edit the passwd and shadow file, and to my surprise i was able to update it. Then later on i rebooted and logged in normal way. now i am wondering, that the security of the system would be compromised. is ubuntu devised in such a way? Or is there any other way to protect the system? Regards, Senthil Raja ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
