Re: [Inkscape-docs] News item.... graphics issues in manual

[Marietta Walker]

For Martin:

Are we working on the project at Gitlab titled: 
Inkscape\Inkscape-docs\manuals or are you creating another project?   If 
we keep it under one large generic heading such as the above mentioned, 
then we can track sub projects under one umbrella, English Translation 
for Inkscape Beginners/Dutch Translation for "Whatever/etc. Am I making 
any sense?


Also do I need to add SSH to my account?

Since I am completely unfamiliar with Gitlab, I am wanting to get in 
there and learn and get started.


Thanks




On 6/6/2017 10:15 PM, brynn wrote:

- We will delete some, and keep those that are good. If you don't want

to work on this, then we can add this to the task list, for someone else
to grab.

No, I don't mind doing it.  I just need to be clear what the goal is 
and what the parameters are.  Although I won't be happy if I rename 
files and find out later that they're going to be replaced.


Here you seem to be asking me to make the screenshots.  But in a 
different message, I thought you said that CR had volunteered. Maybe I 
misunderstood somewhere?  But I don't have a very pretty theme color.


How about if I make a list of all the ones that need to be replaced, 
and give the list to C R.  Then he could make them with the default 
Windows theme, and either upload them himself, or send to me and I'll 
upload?


Not sure about developers spending time reviewing the manual at 
hackfest, when time is at such a premium, with travel expenses and 
all.  It seems like after hackfest would be better.  Plus do we really 
need reviews from advanced users? New users would seem better for 
sources of reviews?


But I can finish my part before hackfest.  If C R has time to make 
them, I'm sure we can finish the whole thing by that time.  Or even if 
you want me to try making another user account, to find out if it 
could use a different theme. Then I could make the screenshots.


All best,
brynn


-Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 7:50 PM
To: brynn ; Inkscape-Docs
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs]News item graphics issues in manual

Am 07.06.2017 um 03:08 schrieb brynn:

If you're saying that Inkscape is supposed to detect what kind of screen
is being used, and automatically set itself accordingly, that's
something I've never heard of, or experienced.


- According to the program code, if width/height > 1.65, Inkscape will
switch to 'Wide' mode. You could try it out by removing / renaming your
preferences file. I suspect you have moved it from your old computer.
Let's stick to that for screenshots, it makes sense. If it doesn't work,
it's a bug.


It would be helpful if you could continue with renaming the images that

do not need to be changed - i.e. the tool icons, or drawings without any
text or menus shown.

I haven't started yet.  I don't want to duplicate or waste work energy.
It seems like it would be less work all around, to just give appropriate
names to the new screens and graphics, than to rename them all now, and
upload whole new images to relace them later.  Or am I missing something
about the plans and processes?


- We will delete some, and keep those that are good. If you don't want
to work on this, then we can add this to the task list, for someone else
to grab.
Can you go through the images, and rename all the files that will 
not be

deleted, so they will be understandable when others look at them at
Hackfest time?

Wouldn't I need to work with C R (or whoever), to determine which are
kept and which are replaced?  It seems like some level of coordination
and communication should happen for this, rather than 2 different people
going at it separately in different ways, possibly making incompatible
decisions?


- CR is there for talking, but I trust that you can figure out if an
image is just a tool icon, or contains a drawing without text, and does
not need to be re-created. You might even use gimp to cut off some
French text. This would speed up manual creation quite a bit.
Improvements can be done later.


By the way, why does it need to be ready for hackfest?  I was thinking
the end of the year for a target publishing date, not 3 weeks!


- Ready as in 'translated' and ready to work on and test out for people
speaking English.

Kind Regards,
Maren

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] News item.... graphics issues in manual

[brynn]

- We will delete some, and keep those that are good. If you don't want

to work on this, then we can add this to the task list, for someone else
to grab.

No, I don't mind doing it.  I just need to be clear what the goal is and what 
the parameters are.  Although I won't be happy if I rename files and find out 
later that they're going to be replaced.


Here you seem to be asking me to make the screenshots.  But in a different 
message, I thought you said that CR had volunteered.  Maybe I misunderstood 
somewhere?  But I don't have a very pretty theme color.


How about if I make a list of all the ones that need to be replaced, and give 
the list to C R.  Then he could make them with the default Windows theme, and 
either upload them himself, or send to me and I'll upload?


Not sure about developers spending time reviewing the manual at hackfest, when 
time is at such a premium, with travel expenses and all.  It seems like after 
hackfest would be better.  Plus do we really need reviews from advanced users? 
New users would seem better for sources of reviews?


But I can finish my part before hackfest.  If C R has time to make them, I'm 
sure we can finish the whole thing by that time.  Or even if you want me to try 
making another user account, to find out if it could use a different theme. 
Then I could make the screenshots.


All best,
brynn


-Original Message- 
From: Maren Hachmann

Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 7:50 PM
To: brynn ; Inkscape-Docs
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs]News item graphics issues in manual

Am 07.06.2017 um 03:08 schrieb brynn:

If you're saying that Inkscape is supposed to detect what kind of screen
is being used, and automatically set itself accordingly, that's
something I've never heard of, or experienced.


- According to the program code, if width/height > 1.65, Inkscape will
switch to 'Wide' mode. You could try it out by removing / renaming your
preferences file. I suspect you have moved it from your old computer.
Let's stick to that for screenshots, it makes sense. If it doesn't work,
it's a bug.


It would be helpful if you could continue with renaming the images that

do not need to be changed - i.e. the tool icons, or drawings without any
text or menus shown.

I haven't started yet.  I don't want to duplicate or waste work energy.
It seems like it would be less work all around, to just give appropriate
names to the new screens and graphics, than to rename them all now, and
upload whole new images to relace them later.  Or am I missing something
about the plans and processes?


- We will delete some, and keep those that are good. If you don't want
to work on this, then we can add this to the task list, for someone else
to grab.

Can you go through the images, and rename all the files that will not be

deleted, so they will be understandable when others look at them at
Hackfest time?

Wouldn't I need to work with C R (or whoever), to determine which are
kept and which are replaced?  It seems like some level of coordination
and communication should happen for this, rather than 2 different people
going at it separately in different ways, possibly making incompatible
decisions?


- CR is there for talking, but I trust that you can figure out if an
image is just a tool icon, or contains a drawing without text, and does
not need to be re-created. You might even use gimp to cut off some
French text. This would speed up manual creation quite a bit.
Improvements can be done later.


By the way, why does it need to be ready for hackfest?  I was thinking
the end of the year for a target publishing date, not 3 weeks!


- Ready as in 'translated' and ready to work on and test out for people
speaking English.

Kind Regards,
Maren 



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Re: [Inkscape-docs] News item.... graphics issues in manual

[Maren Hachmann]

Am 07.06.2017 um 03:08 schrieb brynn:
> If you're saying that Inkscape is supposed to detect what kind of screen
> is being used, and automatically set itself accordingly, that's
> something I've never heard of, or experienced.

- According to the program code, if width/height > 1.65, Inkscape will
switch to 'Wide' mode. You could try it out by removing / renaming your
preferences file. I suspect you have moved it from your old computer.
Let's stick to that for screenshots, it makes sense. If it doesn't work,
it's a bug.

>> It would be helpful if you could continue with renaming the images that
> do not need to be changed - i.e. the tool icons, or drawings without any
> text or menus shown.
> 
> I haven't started yet.  I don't want to duplicate or waste work energy. 
> It seems like it would be less work all around, to just give appropriate
> names to the new screens and graphics, than to rename them all now, and
> upload whole new images to relace them later.  Or am I missing something
> about the plans and processes?

- We will delete some, and keep those that are good. If you don't want
to work on this, then we can add this to the task list, for someone else
to grab.
>> Can you go through the images, and rename all the files that will not be
> deleted, so they will be understandable when others look at them at
> Hackfest time?
> 
> Wouldn't I need to work with C R (or whoever), to determine which are
> kept and which are replaced?  It seems like some level of coordination
> and communication should happen for this, rather than 2 different people
> going at it separately in different ways, possibly making incompatible
> decisions?

- CR is there for talking, but I trust that you can figure out if an
image is just a tool icon, or contains a drawing without text, and does
not need to be re-created. You might even use gimp to cut off some
French text. This would speed up manual creation quite a bit.
Improvements can be done later.

> By the way, why does it need to be ready for hackfest?  I was thinking
> the end of the year for a target publishing date, not 3 weeks!

- Ready as in 'translated' and ready to work on and test out for people
speaking English.

Kind Regards,
 Maren

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] News item.... graphics issues in manual

[brynn]

- Yes, this is described in the book. It's the standard display mode new

users get when they are using a wide screen (please someone correct me
if I'm wrong, my screen is 4:3). Widescreens are standard now, so most
users should get that display.

If you're saying that Inkscape is supposed to detect what kind of screen is 
being used, and automatically set itself accordingly, that's something I've 
never heard of, or experienced.


Someone told me once that my screen is wide (14 inch laptop) default res 1366 x 
768.  My View menu shows Default is ticked, and it's the one with the command 
bar at the top, snap bar on the right.  So it's not telling me that Wide is 
default for me (if that's what you meant).


If it ever did switch me to wide, I would have switched it back immediately.  So 
I'm not sure if I would remember it.  I tend to get bizarre mouse actions at 
times (unintended clicks), so I probably thought that was why, if it had ever 
been switched.



- It uses the standard icons. All the icons that look different to you

are provided by the operating system and look different from your
Windows setup, yes (they look the same for me, btw.).

Oh, is that a Linux set?  Ugghbut at least it's easier to change themes with 
Linux (afaiu), whenever I finally get switched.



It would be helpful if you could continue with renaming the images that

do not need to be changed - i.e. the tool icons, or drawings without any
text or menus shown.

I haven't started yet.  I don't want to duplicate or waste work energy.  It 
seems like it would be less work all around, to just give appropriate names to 
the new screens and graphics, than to rename them all now, and upload whole new 
images to relace them later.  Or am I missing something about the plans and 
processes?


Don't we want to change them all?  For continuity of the appearances?  Or do you 
mean there are some graphics which don't show the interface or dialogs?  Since 
I can't read the text, or make sense of the meaning of the graphics, I haven't 
looked at many pages yet.  But so far, I've only seen interface graphics.



I wonder if it's possible in Windows, if I make a new user account, that
account could use a different theme?  I'll investigate.  If I can, I'll
provide the graphics.


- Let's take one step after the other, Brynn. It's better to finish one
thing, then take on the next.
__

Not sure what you thought I meant.  But I was thinking outloud, and wondering if 
I could provide the graphics after all.  I must have missed the message where C 
R volunteered to make the screens and graphics.  (Only saw the front page cover 
draft.)  So that's great!  Now I won't bother investigating about a new user 
account.


Yes, we discussed possibly adding a glossary.  And now possibly an faq or 
troubleshooting or getting unstuck page or section too.  They can both wait 
until after hackfest.



Can you go through the images, and rename all the files that will not be

deleted, so they will be understandable when others look at them at
Hackfest time?

Wouldn't I need to work with C R (or whoever), to determine which are kept and 
which are replaced?  It seems like some level of coordination and communication 
should happen for this, rather than 2 different people going at it separately in 
different ways, possibly making incompatible decisions?


By the way, why does it need to be ready for hackfest?  I was thinking the end 
of the year for a target publishing date, not 3 weeks!


All best,
brynn


-Original Message- 
From: Maren Hachmann

Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:22 PM
To: brynn ; Inkscape-Docs
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs]News item graphics issues in manual

Hi Brynn,

Am 06.06.2017 um 13:50 schrieb brynn:

I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal about

helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 weeks
already.
But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started
this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.

Don't worry, Maren.  I'm still on top of helping with the manual.  It's
just life offline keeps pulling me away from computer lately.


- Mine is busy, too.


I will start proofing as soon as I can get this moderation stuff settled.


- Yes, if you could help with fixing language errors, that would be
helpful.


For working on the graphics, as you have outlined, I have some blockers
on that. Somewhere I've mentioned them, but I don't think they were
answered.  (I think I put comments in the Notes tab, below the line of
*.  But I see now that that line of * is gone, and so are the comments I
made.)


- Yes, that tab has been wiped.


Starting on Interface chapter:

1 -- graphics are not proportional, they're stretched long and squeezed
side to side



2 -- the interface that's being used, uses a non-default display mode
(with command bar on the right)


- Yes, this is described in the book. It's the standard display mode new
users ge

[Inkscape-docs] Translating in Dutch

[bandura1]

Hi Everybody,
I've been noting the thoughts, suggestions, ideas, and feelings involved
in maintaining momentum of the manual (and yes, I enjoy alliteration).  I
commend all of you on putting out the champion's effort to keep this
project going!  I will chip in by doing a Dutch translation.  Progress
will be very slow.  Like all of you, I'm in a chronic time-crunch.  I do
have a Trello account so I can provide my status.  I'll make time and send
bits and bytes to an appropriate repository, and we'll go from there.

I can also use my Github account to store things.  I'll check with Github
policy to make sure I'm not overstepping any constraints.  My account is
at:

http://roy-torley.github.io

and now you know where to find me (that's always a scary thing!).

Best early summer wishes to all,

Roy Torley



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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Fwd: Re: [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

[Maren Hachmann]

I guess then I'll also need to copy my answer here:


Mmh, yes, registration is in French (after that, it's your own language,
I get German).

Okay, this is difficult, so I think we will use the existing gitlab
project that Martin created, and use the issues section for this.

This gives us a board-like view, too, and task lists, and tags, and
email notifications, and it'll be a useful place to register for
everyone anyway (and Brynn is already registered there), because
Inkscape and Inkscape-web and other Inkscape-related projects live
there, too.

I should have thought of this earlier.

I'll ask Martin to give me permissions for it, then we can work there.

Would you join us there, too?


To save you from copying your reply, Marietta:
Marietta said she would :)

(and I have contacted Martin for permissions)

Thanks Marietta for pushing the organisatorial side forwards a bit :)

Kind Regards,
 Maren



Am 06.06.2017 um 23:47 schrieb Marietta Walker:
> And I am the culprit on not getting sending back to the list.  My email
> defaults to the sender not the list and I keep forgetting to change the
> email address and I just did it to Maren with the messages below!
> 
> Shame on me
> 
> Marietta
> 
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject:  Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new
> manual work?
> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 16:36:12 -0500
> From: Marietta Walker 
> To:   Maren Hachmann 
> 
> 
> 
> No problem at all.  I did take a look, and you will find I am pretty 
> flexible, but is OK to use the English board? I am sure I will not learn 
> French in time to help with anything!
> 
> I will be happy to extract and help track task and mark them complete as 
> we go.  And as a new user of Inkscape, you can count on me to also test 
> as we go.
> 
> Regards
> Marietta
> 
> 
> On 6/6/2017 4:09 PM, Maren Hachmann wrote:
>> Hi Marietta,
>>
>> a kanban board is a good idea, but there are free alternatives which I
>> would prefer to see used, e.g. https://framaboard.org/.
>>
>> Perhaps you would be willing to extract the tasks from previous messages
>> (esp. the one about the news item to Brynn) and move the board over to
>> framaboard? Also, we would need someone to take care of marking tasks
>> that are done by people who are not registered there as done.
>>
>> We don't need everyone to have an account, I think - we could also just
>> add their names, when we know they want to work on it.
>>
>> What do you think, Marietta?
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>   Maren
>>
>> Am 06.06.2017 um 20:45 schrieb brynn:
>>> No thanks for me.  (I've already got a whole notebook of login
>>> passwords.)  But I think Martin has been looking for something like
>>> that.  Especially if it would give automatic reminders (afaiu).
>>>
>>> All best,
>>> brynn
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Marietta Walker
>>> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 9:59 AM
>>> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new
>>> manual work?
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I have set myself up with Trello in order to track notes and completion
>>> of Chapter review..  (Just to let everyone know I will not be actually
>>> editing chapters, only providing feedback to Maren on those things I
>>> need to. )
>>>
>>> I digress. Trello is free and easy to use.  It has taken me about ten
>>> minutes to figure it out and set my self up with a checklist, which I am
>>> now working on breaking into Sub-heading groups.
>>>
>>> With that said, if anyone would like to join me there to create
>>> checklists /progress tracking,  If everyone jumped in to use, we could
>>> also let the group know where we are because I have made it public for
>>> viewing.
>>>
>>> So if you want to check it out-here is the link.
>>> https://trello.com/b/5MTvCikC/inkscape
>>>
>>> If you want to use it, then create an account and then send me your info.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Marietta
>>>
>>> On 6/4/2017 6:10 PM, Marietta Walker wrote:
 I think it will suit me perfectly.

 Thanks--Marietta

 On 6/4/2017 5:55 PM, Maren Hachmann wrote:
> Thank you, Marietta, Carl, and Martin for pointing me into the right
> direction (hopefully) and for calling for help, and volunteering your
> time :)
>
> I'm glad to know that people are still interested in helping, but might
> just not have known how (or, in CR's case, are too busy with other stuff
> - believe me, I understand).
> Guess I got too used to the standard open source theme of 'grab a task
> and do it if you're up to it' - and I'm also kind of shy about telling
> others what to do. I'm sorry about not getting that I should take on a
> more active, guiding role, to make it easier for new members to join.
>
> @Marietta: What do you think about Martin's suggestion?
>
> Kind Regards,
>Maren
>
>
> Am 04.06.2017 um 22:52 schrieb Martin Owens:
>> On Sun, 

[Inkscape-docs] Fwd: Re: [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

[Marietta Walker]

And I am the culprit on not getting sending back to the list.  My email 
defaults to the sender not the list and I keep forgetting to change the 
email address and I just did it to Maren with the messages below!


Shame on me

Marietta



 Forwarded Message 
Subject: 	Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new 
manual work?

Date:   Tue, 6 Jun 2017 16:36:12 -0500
From:   Marietta Walker 
To: Maren Hachmann 



No problem at all.  I did take a look, and you will find I am pretty
flexible, but is OK to use the English board? I am sure I will not learn
French in time to help with anything!

I will be happy to extract and help track task and mark them complete as
we go.  And as a new user of Inkscape, you can count on me to also test
as we go.

Regards
Marietta


On 6/6/2017 4:09 PM, Maren Hachmann wrote:

Hi Marietta,

a kanban board is a good idea, but there are free alternatives which I
would prefer to see used, e.g. https://framaboard.org/.

Perhaps you would be willing to extract the tasks from previous messages
(esp. the one about the news item to Brynn) and move the board over to
framaboard? Also, we would need someone to take care of marking tasks
that are done by people who are not registered there as done.

We don't need everyone to have an account, I think - we could also just
add their names, when we know they want to work on it.

What do you think, Marietta?

Kind Regards,
  Maren

Am 06.06.2017 um 20:45 schrieb brynn:

No thanks for me.  (I've already got a whole notebook of login
passwords.)  But I think Martin has been looking for something like
that.  Especially if it would give automatic reminders (afaiu).

All best,
brynn

-Original Message- From: Marietta Walker
Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 9:59 AM
To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new
manual work?

Hi all,

I have set myself up with Trello in order to track notes and completion
of Chapter review..  (Just to let everyone know I will not be actually
editing chapters, only providing feedback to Maren on those things I
need to. )

I digress. Trello is free and easy to use.  It has taken me about ten
minutes to figure it out and set my self up with a checklist, which I am
now working on breaking into Sub-heading groups.

With that said, if anyone would like to join me there to create
checklists /progress tracking,  If everyone jumped in to use, we could
also let the group know where we are because I have made it public for
viewing.

So if you want to check it out-here is the link.
https://trello.com/b/5MTvCikC/inkscape

If you want to use it, then create an account and then send me your info.

Regards
Marietta

On 6/4/2017 6:10 PM, Marietta Walker wrote:

I think it will suit me perfectly.

Thanks--Marietta

On 6/4/2017 5:55 PM, Maren Hachmann wrote:

Thank you, Marietta, Carl, and Martin for pointing me into the right
direction (hopefully) and for calling for help, and volunteering your
time :)

I'm glad to know that people are still interested in helping, but might
just not have known how (or, in CR's case, are too busy with other stuff
- believe me, I understand).
Guess I got too used to the standard open source theme of 'grab a task
and do it if you're up to it' - and I'm also kind of shy about telling
others what to do. I'm sorry about not getting that I should take on a
more active, guiding role, to make it easier for new members to join.

@Marietta: What do you think about Martin's suggestion?

Kind Regards,
   Maren


Am 04.06.2017 um 22:52 schrieb Martin Owens:

On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 13:20 -0500, Marietta Walker wrote:

If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations
in knowing the software.

You would make a good editor then, both in the generic sense for
English grammar and the functional sense in 'do you understand this'

Is this something you'd be good at helping with?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] News item about the new manual work?

[Maren Hachmann]

Am 06.06.2017 um 14:29 schrieb brynn:
> Hi Maren,
>Oh yes, that's awesome content, and great ideas!  I'll be able to
> get that done today!
> 
>Yes, a "getting unstuck" or "faq" or "troubleshooting" section
> would be great!  It will be a little while before I start on that.  But
> it's on my to-do list.
> 
>(Looks like I started up a mess, with my recent request to fix
> one of those type of items via developers!  Meaning the draw first,
> style 2nd debate, which is nothing to do with what I wanted.  But oh
> well, it's progress.)
> 
>I'll post when I have a draft ready.

- Great, thank you!
Be sure to post a link, when you are ready for proofing.

Kind Regards,
 Maren

> All best,
> brynn
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 4:54 PM
> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] News item about the new manual work?
> 
> Hi Brynn,
> 
> yes, a short news item would be nice to show that work has started on a
> Beginners' Guide (it's not a real manual, in the classical sense).
> 
> I think we especially need:
> - a few (not so many!) testers who only begin using Inkscape, to tell us
> if they understand it. They can accompany us, but also join at a later
> point of time. This could also be a teacher, who has experience teaching
> Inkscape to students.
> - one or two artists who want to design a cover image for the various
> output formats. This artist needs to be able to find his way around in
> the booktype interface, and to be able to follow the manual instructions
> about the interface. Also needs to remember to indicate a separate
> licence for the cover image - it needs to be CC-By-SA, with the Inkscape
> icon in it.
> - one to three web designers who can take a closer look into the
> Booktype CSS options, find out what is possible, and make an Inkscape-y
> design for the html version of the book, and perhaps also style the pdf.
> I think epub doesn't have too many styling options available (but I may
> be wrong).
> - 2 or 3 quality assurance people, who can check for consistency of
> terms used, html tags used for specific concepts (e.g. keyboard
> shortcut, menu entry, position of tool icons, ...) etc. throughout the
> book.
> - one or two persons who team up to make consistent screenshots with
> default icon set and English interface (if possible, on Windows, as most
> users will be on that platform). One could make the example svgs (or ask
> Elisa for them) and the other could make the screenshots and upload them.
> - one or two persons who move the pictures around when they are in, so
> they are all in their appropriate position in relation to the text.
> 
> I think we do have enough native speakers now who can fix strange
> wording :)
> Feel free to cut off the parts that don't appear useful in an article.
> Much of this was meant as an explanation for you.
> 
> As for later work, what do you think about this?
> We can add a 'Getting unstuck' section, perhaps, with hints on what to
> do when one gets a result one does not expect - which can cover the
> whole range from 'look into status line' to frequent issues to 'ask in
> forums' to 'post a bug report'.
> I think you would be the one who is best suited to compile a list of
> frequent noob issues with solutions that could be addressed here. If you
> would like to do that, you can take your time, I know you've got a lot
> of other tasks to address at the moment.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Maren
> 
> 
> Am 04.06.2017 um 13:17 schrieb brynn:
>> Hi Friends,
>>As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming
>> hackfest, I suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a
>> short item about the recent new work on the new manual?
>>
>>I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article.  I'm
>> thinking Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first
>> time around? Although I don't mean to volunteer her.  As I said, I could
>> do it myself, if we decide to do it.
>>
>>I think it would help in community-building, to keep the wider
>> community up to date about these things.  What do other manual workers
>> and Docs list subscribers think?
>>
>> All best,
>> brynn
>>
>>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

[Maren Hachmann]

Am 06.06.2017 um 14:20 schrieb brynn:
> Hi Marietta and Everyone,
>That was my fault.  When you first messaged me, I didn't notice
> that you messaged me privately, off-list.  So everything I said, I
> thought everyone else was reading (except for the last one, where I
> realized it, and shared some personal info).
> 
>One of the things I said, which I thought the whole list was
> seeing, is getting Marietta's account connected with the manual.  

- No need to do that. Just join the group as is described in the email
that started this, then start working :)

> I
> couldn't figure out how to do it.  I can see, apparently, everyone who
> is reg'd for Floss Manuals profiles.  But I don't see how to get into
> them to change anything.  I'm not sure if that has happened yet?  Looks
> like not?  I'll send Maren your username, and she can get it set properly.
> 
>Maren (it's Maren, not Marten) could be called the project
> manager, but C R and I are also co-admins (just in case Maren is not
> available for some urgent admin-level need).

- It's Elisa, CR and you, Brynn, who have admin permissions, in addition
to myself as the 'owner' of the book - which doesn't amount to much,
because there's not really a lot that an admin can do more than a normal
user.

This has been done to ensure that there will be someone at the Hackfest
who does have access to all the functionality, in case it's needed, and
to have a fallback who can create new versions, in case something
happens to me ;-) (we do have too little redundancy in this project in
many places).
Also, to honor the people who have shown the largest interest in this
with some additional responsibility :P

Kind Regards,
 Maren




>For everyone else, Marietta certainly has the kind of skills we
> can use in this project!  It's up to her whether, or how much she wants
> to participate. Marietta, you could certainly jump in, even if you just
> notice a word or phrase which could be better.  Just to get your feet
> wet (as soon as your account is set properly).
> 
>When you see that you're set up, go to the Notes tab, and read
> through the guidelines.  Then you can decide if there's something you'd
> like to do.
> 
>Sorry for the mix-up.  And congrats for sticking with it, and
> speaking up again.
> 
> All best,
> brynn
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Marietta Walker
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 12:20 PM
> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new
> manual work?
> 
> Thank you Marten,
> 
> I have been in touch with Brynn and I have offered to help if I can.
> But I too was wondering who is the Project Manager, handling the task
> analysis and the work assignments.  I really don't think you can have a
> project of this level, with multiple people involved, and not have
> someone assessing skill levels, tracking task completion, determining
> milestones, and communicating progress.
> 
> Your Project Manager must also be given the authority to ask questions
> related to the tasks and resources needed to complete the assigned
> progress and to expect an answer. I have been waiting for someone to
> contact me related to the skill set I possess to let me know if I can
> help at all.
> 
> Brynn I am sorry, I thought you were the Project Manager, so I shared my
> skill set with you, thinking you were putting together people and skills.
> 
> Maren seems to be moving along and as she mentioned, you do need someone
> familiar with Inkscape, which I am not.  I just started using it a few
> months ago to do basic 2D drawings for quilting projects.
> 
> If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations in
> knowing the software.
> 
> Regards
> Marietta
> 
> On 6/4/2017 10:09 AM, Martin Owens wrote:
>> Can someone help Maren?
>>
>> I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be useful for
>> drumming up volunteers.
>>
>> But also, for a project director when just getting started, it's useful
>> to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that they
>> don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they should do
>> while figuring out the software/editing platform.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>>
>> On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:
>>> CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2
>>> chapters
>>> each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35
>>> chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen
>>> around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter
>>> (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten
>>> from
>>> scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple
>>> of
>>> chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone
>>> seems
>>> to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were
>>> supposed
>>> to help get people started (or m

Re: [Inkscape-docs] News item.... graphics issues in manual

[Maren Hachmann]

Hi Brynn,

Am 06.06.2017 um 13:50 schrieb brynn:
>> I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal about
> helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 weeks
> already.
> But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started
> this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.
> 
> Don't worry, Maren.  I'm still on top of helping with the manual.  It's
> just life offline keeps pulling me away from computer lately.

- Mine is busy, too.

> I will start proofing as soon as I can get this moderation stuff settled.

- Yes, if you could help with fixing language errors, that would be
helpful.

> For working on the graphics, as you have outlined, I have some blockers
> on that. Somewhere I've mentioned them, but I don't think they were
> answered.  (I think I put comments in the Notes tab, below the line of
> *.  But I see now that that line of * is gone, and so are the comments I
> made.)

- Yes, that tab has been wiped.

> Starting on Interface chapter:
> 
> 1 -- graphics are not proportional, they're stretched long and squeezed
> side to side

> 2 -- the interface that's being used, uses a non-default display mode
> (with command bar on the right)

- Yes, this is described in the book. It's the standard display mode new
users get when they are using a wide screen (please someone correct me
if I'm wrong, my screen is 4:3). Widescreens are standard now, so most
users should get that display.

> 3 -- the interface is using some custom icon set

- It uses the standard icons. All the icons that look different to you
are provided by the operating system and look different from your
Windows setup, yes (they look the same for me, btw.).

> Before we start working on the graphics issues, these things need to be
> addressed, in my opinion (otherwise we might have to eventually
> duplicate some work).

- You can leave the picture layouting to someone experienced with web
page styling. This also requires coordination with the style person or
persons, and some understanding of how the different output formats
influence the layout.

It would be helpful if you could continue with renaming the images that
do not need to be changed - i.e. the tool icons, or drawings without any
text or menus shown.

And then, as a native speaker, language fixes would help us, and perhaps
compiling that list of frequent issues for the chapter that we would
like to add.

Also, I seem to remember there was a glossary chapter that needed to be
added.

> I think we need to be using the most default interface screenshots as
> possible. And of course, the graphics should be displayed in proper
> proportions.
> 
> The most important thing to decide, is where the new graphics will come
> from. Should be someone with not such an ugly theme (color) as mine. 
> Should be someone who is committed to providing the graphics and won't
> disappear.  Should be using a default display mode and icon set.

- CR volunteered for this in another email :D

> I wonder if it's possible in Windows, if I make a new user account, that
> account could use a different theme?  I'll investigate.  If I can, I'll
> provide the graphics.

- Let's take one step after the other, Brynn. It's better to finish one
thing, then take on the next.

This is also easier for me, because I don't need to be all over the
place when I know that a task is being tackled and finished.

Can you go through the images, and rename all the files that will not be
deleted, so they will be understandable when others look at them at
Hackfest time?

Can you get back to us when you are done with that, so we can then find
a new task?

(Probably one of: proofreading for language errors, compiling list of
frequent basic issues and helpful tricks).

Kind Regards,
 Maren

> I'm changing the title of this message to start a separate thread on the
> graphics issues.  (I see a long string of replies to making a News item,
> and I suspect there may be a few different issues.  I'm off to read more
> now  :-) (Also switching to only Docs list)
> 
> All best,
> brynn
> 
> -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann
> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 6:46 AM
> To: inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net ; Inkscape-Docs
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new
> manual work?
> 
> CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 chapters
> each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35
> chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen
> around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter
> (unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten from
> scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple of
> chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone seems
> to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were supposed
> to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).
> 
> I'd be glad to

Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

[Maren Hachmann]

Hi Marietta,

a kanban board is a good idea, but there are free alternatives which I
would prefer to see used, e.g. https://framaboard.org/.

Perhaps you would be willing to extract the tasks from previous messages
(esp. the one about the news item to Brynn) and move the board over to
framaboard? Also, we would need someone to take care of marking tasks
that are done by people who are not registered there as done.

We don't need everyone to have an account, I think - we could also just
add their names, when we know they want to work on it.

What do you think, Marietta?

Kind Regards,
 Maren

Am 06.06.2017 um 20:45 schrieb brynn:
> No thanks for me.  (I've already got a whole notebook of login
> passwords.)  But I think Martin has been looking for something like
> that.  Especially if it would give automatic reminders (afaiu).
> 
> All best,
> brynn
> 
> -Original Message- From: Marietta Walker
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 9:59 AM
> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new
> manual work?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have set myself up with Trello in order to track notes and completion
> of Chapter review..  (Just to let everyone know I will not be actually
> editing chapters, only providing feedback to Maren on those things I
> need to. )
> 
> I digress. Trello is free and easy to use.  It has taken me about ten
> minutes to figure it out and set my self up with a checklist, which I am
> now working on breaking into Sub-heading groups.
> 
> With that said, if anyone would like to join me there to create
> checklists /progress tracking,  If everyone jumped in to use, we could
> also let the group know where we are because I have made it public for
> viewing.
> 
> So if you want to check it out-here is the link.
> https://trello.com/b/5MTvCikC/inkscape
> 
> If you want to use it, then create an account and then send me your info.
> 
> Regards
> Marietta
> 
> On 6/4/2017 6:10 PM, Marietta Walker wrote:
>> I think it will suit me perfectly.
>>
>> Thanks--Marietta
>>
>> On 6/4/2017 5:55 PM, Maren Hachmann wrote:
>>> Thank you, Marietta, Carl, and Martin for pointing me into the right
>>> direction (hopefully) and for calling for help, and volunteering your
>>> time :)
>>>
>>> I'm glad to know that people are still interested in helping, but might
>>> just not have known how (or, in CR's case, are too busy with other stuff
>>> - believe me, I understand).
>>> Guess I got too used to the standard open source theme of 'grab a task
>>> and do it if you're up to it' - and I'm also kind of shy about telling
>>> others what to do. I'm sorry about not getting that I should take on a
>>> more active, guiding role, to make it easier for new members to join.
>>>
>>> @Marietta: What do you think about Martin's suggestion?
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>   Maren
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 04.06.2017 um 22:52 schrieb Martin Owens:
 On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 13:20 -0500, Marietta Walker wrote:
> If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations
> in knowing the software.
 You would make a good editor then, both in the generic sense for
 English grammar and the functional sense in 'do you understand this'

 Is this something you'd be good at helping with?

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

[brynn]

No thanks for me.  (I've already got a whole notebook of login passwords.)  But 
I think Martin has been looking for something like that.  Especially if it would 
give automatic reminders (afaiu).


All best,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Marietta Walker

Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 9:59 AM
To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual 
work?


Hi all,

I have set myself up with Trello in order to track notes and completion
of Chapter review..  (Just to let everyone know I will not be actually
editing chapters, only providing feedback to Maren on those things I
need to. )

I digress. Trello is free and easy to use.  It has taken me about ten
minutes to figure it out and set my self up with a checklist, which I am
now working on breaking into Sub-heading groups.

With that said, if anyone would like to join me there to create
checklists /progress tracking,  If everyone jumped in to use, we could
also let the group know where we are because I have made it public for
viewing.

So if you want to check it out-here is the link.
https://trello.com/b/5MTvCikC/inkscape

If you want to use it, then create an account and then send me your info.

Regards
Marietta

On 6/4/2017 6:10 PM, Marietta Walker wrote:

I think it will suit me perfectly.

Thanks--Marietta

On 6/4/2017 5:55 PM, Maren Hachmann wrote:

Thank you, Marietta, Carl, and Martin for pointing me into the right
direction (hopefully) and for calling for help, and volunteering your
time :)

I'm glad to know that people are still interested in helping, but might
just not have known how (or, in CR's case, are too busy with other stuff
- believe me, I understand).
Guess I got too used to the standard open source theme of 'grab a task
and do it if you're up to it' - and I'm also kind of shy about telling
others what to do. I'm sorry about not getting that I should take on a
more active, guiding role, to make it easier for new members to join.

@Marietta: What do you think about Martin's suggestion?

Kind Regards,
  Maren


Am 04.06.2017 um 22:52 schrieb Martin Owens:

On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 13:20 -0500, Marietta Walker wrote:

If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations
in knowing the software.

You would make a good editor then, both in the generic sense for
English grammar and the functional sense in 'do you understand this'

Is this something you'd be good at helping with?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] News item about the new manual work?

[brynn]

Hi Maren,
   Oh yes, that's awesome content, and great ideas!  I'll be able to get 
that done today!


   Yes, a "getting unstuck" or "faq" or "troubleshooting" section would be 
great!  It will be a little while before I start on that.  But it's on my to-do 
list.


   (Looks like I started up a mess, with my recent request to fix one of 
those type of items via developers!  Meaning the draw first, style 2nd debate, 
which is nothing to do with what I wanted.  But oh well, it's progress.)


   I'll post when I have a draft ready.

All best,
brynn


-Original Message- 
From: Maren Hachmann

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 4:54 PM
To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] News item about the new manual work?

Hi Brynn,

yes, a short news item would be nice to show that work has started on a
Beginners' Guide (it's not a real manual, in the classical sense).

I think we especially need:
- a few (not so many!) testers who only begin using Inkscape, to tell us
if they understand it. They can accompany us, but also join at a later
point of time. This could also be a teacher, who has experience teaching
Inkscape to students.
- one or two artists who want to design a cover image for the various
output formats. This artist needs to be able to find his way around in
the booktype interface, and to be able to follow the manual instructions
about the interface. Also needs to remember to indicate a separate
licence for the cover image - it needs to be CC-By-SA, with the Inkscape
icon in it.
- one to three web designers who can take a closer look into the
Booktype CSS options, find out what is possible, and make an Inkscape-y
design for the html version of the book, and perhaps also style the pdf.
I think epub doesn't have too many styling options available (but I may
be wrong).
- 2 or 3 quality assurance people, who can check for consistency of
terms used, html tags used for specific concepts (e.g. keyboard
shortcut, menu entry, position of tool icons, ...) etc. throughout the book.
- one or two persons who team up to make consistent screenshots with
default icon set and English interface (if possible, on Windows, as most
users will be on that platform). One could make the example svgs (or ask
Elisa for them) and the other could make the screenshots and upload them.
- one or two persons who move the pictures around when they are in, so
they are all in their appropriate position in relation to the text.

I think we do have enough native speakers now who can fix strange wording :)
Feel free to cut off the parts that don't appear useful in an article.
Much of this was meant as an explanation for you.

As for later work, what do you think about this?
We can add a 'Getting unstuck' section, perhaps, with hints on what to
do when one gets a result one does not expect - which can cover the
whole range from 'look into status line' to frequent issues to 'ask in
forums' to 'post a bug report'.
I think you would be the one who is best suited to compile a list of
frequent noob issues with solutions that could be addressed here. If you
would like to do that, you can take your time, I know you've got a lot
of other tasks to address at the moment.

Kind Regards,
Maren


Am 04.06.2017 um 13:17 schrieb brynn:

Hi Friends,
   As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming
hackfest, I suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a
short item about the recent new work on the new manual?

   I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article.  I'm
thinking Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first
time around? Although I don't mean to volunteer her.  As I said, I could
do it myself, if we decide to do it.

   I think it would help in community-building, to keep the wider
community up to date about these things.  What do other manual workers
and Docs list subscribers think?

All best,
brynn



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Re: [Inkscape-docs] News item.... graphics issues in manual

[brynn]

I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal about

helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 weeks
already.
But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started
this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.

Don't worry, Maren.  I'm still on top of helping with the manual.  It's just 
life offline keeps pulling me away from computer lately.


I will start proofing as soon as I can get this moderation stuff settled.

For working on the graphics, as you have outlined, I have some blockers on that. 
Somewhere I've mentioned them, but I don't think they were answered.  (I think I 
put comments in the Notes tab, below the line of *.  But I see now that that 
line of * is gone, and so are the comments I made.)


Starting on Interface chapter:

1 -- graphics are not proportional, they're stretched long and squeezed side to 
side
2 -- the interface that's being used, uses a non-default display mode (with 
command bar on the right)

3 -- the interface is using some custom icon set

Before we start working on the graphics issues, these things need to be 
addressed, in my opinion (otherwise we might have to eventually duplicate some 
work).


I think we need to be using the most default interface screenshots as possible. 
And of course, the graphics should be displayed in proper proportions.


The most important thing to decide, is where the new graphics will come from. 
Should be someone with not such an ugly theme (color) as mine.  Should be 
someone who is committed to providing the graphics and won't disappear.  Should 
be using a default display mode and icon set.


I wonder if it's possible in Windows, if I make a new user account, that account 
could use a different theme?  I'll investigate.  If I can, I'll provide the 
graphics.


I'm changing the title of this message to start a separate thread on the 
graphics issues.  (I see a long string of replies to making a News item, and I 
suspect there may be a few different issues.  I'm off to read more now  :-) 
(Also switching to only Docs list)


All best,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Maren Hachmann

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 6:46 AM
To: inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net ; Inkscape-Docs
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual 
work?


CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2 chapters
each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35
chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen
around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter
(unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten from
scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple of
chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone seems
to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were supposed
to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).

I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting people
get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with
translating.

I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal about
helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2 weeks
already.
But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started
this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.

Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will be
ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing through
my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect to
not have time for much else.

I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the
manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know
Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do
well, like fixing up language or styling).

There are more than enough open tasks:
from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency checking and
layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to adding
missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course).

And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to honor
the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept of the
book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it to get
started, without much theoretical ballast.
Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she built up
the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect her
concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses.

Maren

Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R:

I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that we're
making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do it. I
plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle the
hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete
manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call 

Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Any chance we can make some docs material? (targeting the moon)

[Elisa Godoy de Castro Guerra]

2017-05-11 22:55 GMT+02:00 Maren Hachmann :

> Hi Elisa,
>
> thank you very much for asking the flossmanuals.net manager!
> Would you keep us updated on whether it works or not?
>
>
yes of course.

Elisa


> Kind Regards,
>  Maren
>
> Am 11.05.2017 um 16:09 schrieb Elisa Godoy de Castro Guerra:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Mick Is the manager of floss manuals english.
> > I ask him for the possibility of import the book.
> > I give him the url, he is trying.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Elisa
> >
> > 2017-05-11 1:07 GMT+02:00 Maren Hachmann  > >:
> >
> > @jazznico: Is there a way to transfer books between the French
> > flossmanuals site and the English one? I.e. would it be possible to
> > export and import a book? Or would it be possible to have a language
> > selection menu on flossmanualsfr instead, with English available for
> > selection? This would make it easier for our international editors to
> > deal with the interface.
> >
> > Hi Brynn,
> >
> > thanks for taking a closer look! (I'm so glad someone was able to
> take
> > the time for this.)
> >
> > FLOSS is the abbreviation for 'Free/Libre Open Source Software'.
> > The websites are flossmanualsfr.net  /
> > flossmanuals.net  respectively.
> > They allow for collaborative writing of manuals for FLOSS.
> >
> > I fully understand the need for a WYSIWYG editor. The one from
> Booktype
> > is quite okay. Where it lacks is when you want to insert a file or
> image
> > - because you need to upload it first, then you need to find out that
> > the link to it that you need to enter in the insertion dialog is
> > '/static/filename.ext'. That's more difficult than it would need to
> be
> > (but you can use the same image file on different pages this way).
> >
> > (Btw. what do you think of helping with the translation by making
> sure
> > that all images get uploaded? When I copy-paste from the French
> book, I
> > get all the images, but they are just links to the original book, not
> > part of the one I'm editing. And it takes quite some time to rename
> the
> > files to something English,  upload, add a useful placeholder text
> and
> > then exchange the links. I'd prefer to spend that time on
> translating.)
> >
> > About the 'location', I've had this silly idea:
> >
> > As a first step, we create/translate/update this introductory manual
> at
> > flossmanuals (if possible at the English site, to make it easier for
> > contributors). It's a great way for getting people started with
> > Inkscape.
> >
> > As a second step, or in parallel, we could also have a more
> > glossary-like, more technical manual, that explains what each menu
> item
> > /LPE/... does. This technical manual could also be used by
> developers to
> > document their changes, and it could use the more technical style
> with
> > Sphinx/reST/readthedocs. It could even start out simple, with
> keywords /
> > lists, and be refined by people who don't like those ;-)
> >
> > (btw. I have volunteered to set this up, seems you overlooked ;-) -
> for
> > customization, translation and version branches, I'd still have to
> learn
> > a bit, but it doesn't appear to be too hard).
> >
> > The one issue I see with this split is that it would spread resources
> > (us) a bit wide, maybe. But from the time when I started using
> Inkscape,
> > I know that having a manual like the one Elisa wrote would have
> helped
> > me a lot - I barely understood a word in Tav's manual.
> >
> > Now, as an advanced user, I (claim I) know everything that Elisa
> > explains, but Tav's more technical manual contains so much more info,
> > which I'm now able to understand (and often have the urge to update).
> >
> > So that's why I think that having two different manuals wouldn't be
> such
> > a bad idea. The technical manual could be written by the more
> technical
> > users and, hopefully, devs (when they change something).
> >
> > Well, just an idea. Let me know if you think it's crap ;-)
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >  Maren
> >
> > Am 10.05.2017 um 07:47 schrieb brynn:
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >I've tried to read up and study and understand the info
> which
> > > Maren presented.  Because my understanding is extremely limited, I
> > > hesitate to offer any comments at all.  But for whatever it might
> be
> > > worth, here they arealong with a couple of questions.
> > >
> > >First, one of your last comments:
> > >
> > >> All of them would be FLOSS, have support for internal linking,
> > allow to
> > > insert images and allow editing via browser.
> > >
> > >I think you're using "FLOSS" as a generic umbrella term, as
> > > opposed to the FLOSS Manuals, right?  Because a 

Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

[Marietta Walker]

Hi all,

I have set myself up with Trello in order to track notes and completion 
of Chapter review..  (Just to let everyone know I will not be actually 
editing chapters, only providing feedback to Maren on those things I 
need to. )


I digress. Trello is free and easy to use.  It has taken me about ten 
minutes to figure it out and set my self up with a checklist, which I am 
now working on breaking into Sub-heading groups.


With that said, if anyone would like to join me there to create 
checklists /progress tracking,  If everyone jumped in to use, we could 
also let the group know where we are because I have made it public for 
viewing.


So if you want to check it out-here is the link. 
https://trello.com/b/5MTvCikC/inkscape


If you want to use it, then create an account and then send me your info.

Regards
Marietta

On 6/4/2017 6:10 PM, Marietta Walker wrote:

I think it will suit me perfectly.

Thanks--Marietta

On 6/4/2017 5:55 PM, Maren Hachmann wrote:

Thank you, Marietta, Carl, and Martin for pointing me into the right
direction (hopefully) and for calling for help, and volunteering your
time :)

I'm glad to know that people are still interested in helping, but might
just not have known how (or, in CR's case, are too busy with other stuff
- believe me, I understand).
Guess I got too used to the standard open source theme of 'grab a task
and do it if you're up to it' - and I'm also kind of shy about telling
others what to do. I'm sorry about not getting that I should take on a
more active, guiding role, to make it easier for new members to join.

@Marietta: What do you think about Martin's suggestion?

Kind Regards,
  Maren


Am 04.06.2017 um 22:52 schrieb Martin Owens:

On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 13:20 -0500, Marietta Walker wrote:

If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations
in knowing the software.

You would make a good editor then, both in the generic sense for
English grammar and the functional sense in 'do you understand this'

Is this something you'd be good at helping with?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Robert Sterbal's introduction

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] News item about the new manual work?

[brynn]

Wow!  I admire your speed and talent!  Thoughts:

I would want more color, or at least a different color than brown.  The brown 
makes it seem old or aged, to mekind of uninviting.  The image itself I 
love!  Just the color.


Or maybe it's a fudgesicle, so it would stay brown, but the rest having 
something a little brighter?


I'd like to see the popsicle facing the other direction.  The way the text 
(Starting With) is over on the upper right area, it seems like it should be the 
other way around.  I don't know if I'd like it better, but I'd like to see how 
it looks.


Very well done!

All best,
brynn


-Original Message- 
From: C R

Sent: Monday, June 05, 2017 4:03 PM
To: Martin Owens
Cc: inkscape-devel ; Inkscape-Docs
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] [Inkscape-docs] News item about the new manual 
work?


Okay, finished an initial version of the cover for the beginners guide.
Yes, it's all in Inkscape. :)

Here's a png:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/h4n88xpnc6declz/inkscape_cover_beginner_manual.png?dl=0

Thoughts?

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Martin Owens  wrote:

Can someone help Maren?

I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be useful for
drumming up volunteers.

But also, for a project director when just getting started, it's useful
to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that they
don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they should do
while figuring out the software/editing platform.

Thoughts?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:

CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2
chapters
each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35
chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen
around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter
(unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten
from
scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple
of
chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone
seems
to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were
supposed
to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).

I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting
people
get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with
translating.

I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal
about
helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2
weeks
already.
But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started
this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.

Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will
be
ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing
through
my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect
to
not have time for much else.

I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the
manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know
Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do
well, like fixing up language or styling).

There are more than enough open tasks:
from CSS to cover design, to screenshooting, to consistency checking
and
layouting, to improving on my more or less weird English, to adding
missing content (or perhaps, translating, of course).

And yet, when we do this, I think it's important to take care to
honor
the underlying 'Keep it simple and as short as possible' concept of
the
book, which would make it possible for young teenagers to use it to
get
started, without much theoretical ballast.
Elisa seems to have invested a *lot* of thought into how she built up
the chapters and when to start teaching which concept. I suspect her
concept stems from experience in teaching live Inkscape courses.

 Maren

Am 04.06.2017 um 13:32 schrieb C R:
>
> I'd say let's wait and do a progress report, so we can say that
> we're
> making progress on it, rather than just that we've decided to do
> it. I
> plan on helping this area of the project much more after I handle
> the
> hackfest swag. It would be better to have a more or less complete
> manual before we announce it to the public, unless it's a call for
> help with it.
>
> If it's a call for help with that area of the project, then go
> ahead, though. :)
>
> Thanks for the amazing amount of work you're doing for the project,
> brynn. It's definitely helping drive my own motivation for Inkscape
> project work. :)
>
> -C
>
> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:17 PM, brynn  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Friends,
> >As I'm writing up a quick draft to announce the upcoming
> > hackfest, I
> > suddenly wondered if it might be a good idea to write a short
> > item about the
> > recent new work on the new manual?
> >
> >I could do that, after I finish the hackfest article.  I'm
> > thinking
> > Maren might be able to get all the details correct, the first
> > time around?
> > Although I don't mean to volunteer 

Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual work?

[brynn]

Hi Marietta and Everyone,
   That was my fault.  When you first messaged me, I didn't notice that you 
messaged me privately, off-list.  So everything I said, I thought everyone else 
was reading (except for the last one, where I realized it, and shared some 
personal info).


   One of the things I said, which I thought the whole list was seeing, is 
getting Marietta's account connected with the manual.  I couldn't figure out how 
to do it.  I can see, apparently, everyone who is reg'd for Floss Manuals 
profiles.  But I don't see how to get into them to change anything.  I'm not 
sure if that has happened yet?  Looks like not?  I'll send Maren your username, 
and she can get it set properly.


   Maren (it's Maren, not Marten) could be called the project manager, but 
C R and I are also co-admins (just in case Maren is not available for some 
urgent admin-level need).


   For everyone else, Marietta certainly has the kind of skills we can use 
in this project!  It's up to her whether, or how much she wants to participate. 
Marietta, you could certainly jump in, even if you just notice a word or phrase 
which could be better.  Just to get your feet wet (as soon as your account is 
set properly).


   When you see that you're set up, go to the Notes tab, and read through 
the guidelines.  Then you can decide if there's something you'd like to do.


   Sorry for the mix-up.  And congrats for sticking with it, and speaking 
up again.


All best,
brynn


-Original Message- 
From: Marietta Walker

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2017 12:20 PM
To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] News item about the new manual 
work?


Thank you Marten,

I have been in touch with Brynn and I have offered to help if I can.
But I too was wondering who is the Project Manager, handling the task
analysis and the work assignments.  I really don't think you can have a
project of this level, with multiple people involved, and not have
someone assessing skill levels, tracking task completion, determining
milestones, and communicating progress.

Your Project Manager must also be given the authority to ask questions
related to the tasks and resources needed to complete the assigned
progress and to expect an answer. I have been waiting for someone to
contact me related to the skill set I possess to let me know if I can
help at all.

Brynn I am sorry, I thought you were the Project Manager, so I shared my
skill set with you, thinking you were putting together people and skills.

Maren seems to be moving along and as she mentioned, you do need someone
familiar with Inkscape, which I am not.  I just started using it a few
months ago to do basic 2D drawings for quilting projects.

If I can help, I will be glad to do so, but I do have limitations in
knowing the software.

Regards
Marietta

On 6/4/2017 10:09 AM, Martin Owens wrote:

Can someone help Maren?

I feel like a news article and a deviantArt post would be useful for
drumming up volunteers.

But also, for a project director when just getting started, it's useful
to hand out jobs, so people know that they are needed and that they
don't have to think too much about which of the jobs they should do
while figuring out the software/editing platform.

Thoughts?

Best Regards, Martin Owens

On Sun, 2017-06-04 at 14:46 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:

CR, I have been translating (and fixing contents as I go) 1-2
chapters
each day for the last 2.5 weeks and am more than halfway through (35
chapters done, 24 left to do). There wasn't anyone else to be seen
around, after the first week, when one person translated a chapter
(unfortunately they picked the only one that needs to be rewritten
from
scratch, because Inkscape changed), and two people proofread a couple
of
chapters (thank you!!!). Well, and a couple of days ago, someone
seems
to have accidentally wiped all the notes on the book, that were
supposed
to help get people started (or maybe it was a platform bug).

I'd be glad to see some proofreading and styling/screenshooting
people
get on board, so we can continue seamlessly after I'm through with
translating.

I'm a bit disappointed about everyone being so engaged and vocal
about
helping/liking the action, and now me working on it alone for > 2
weeks
already.
But that's normal, I guess - it was the reason why I haven't started
this earlier, and I felt ready to take it on now, no matter what.

Anyway, I'm going to continue to plow through, then translations will
be
ready before the hackfest. In parallel, I'm going to be plowing
through
my new garden, and to help fix up someone else's house, so I expect
to
not have time for much else.

I'd be glad if someone could try and reengage people to help with the
manual (preferably people who are able to work independently and know
Inkscape inside out, or who concentrate on something they really do
well, like fixing up language or styling).

There are more than enough open tasks:
fro