Re: [JAWS-Users] to moderators

[David Ferrin]

You're quite welcome.

-Original Message- 
From: Diane Giannetti

Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] to moderators

David, thank you very much.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!


On Aug 21, 2017, at 6:10 PM, David Ferrin  wrote:

Already handled.

-Original Message- From: Diane Giannetti Sent: Monday, August 21, 
2017 4:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] to 
moderators

Hello Jaws Group.  I have a question to the moderators.  I need to have my
previous email of:

diane.lu...@frontier.com  email to be unsubscribed so I am asking if one 
of

you would be willing to do that for me.  This would be much appreciated.
Thank you.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] to moderators

[Diane Giannetti]

David, thank you very much.

Sent from Diane's awesome iPhone!

> On Aug 21, 2017, at 6:10 PM, David Ferrin  wrote:
> 
> Already handled.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Diane Giannetti Sent: Monday, August 21, 
> 2017 4:03 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] to 
> moderators 
> Hello Jaws Group.  I have a question to the moderators.  I need to have my
> previous email of:
> 
> diane.lu...@frontier.com  email to be unsubscribed so I am asking if one of
> you would be willing to do that for me.  This would be much appreciated.
> Thank you.
> 
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
> 
> 
> David Ferrin
> You don't have to be crazy to run a list like this, but it does help.  
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Adrian Spratt]

You've made your position clear, and I've explained mine as well as I can for 
anyone interested. Enough said, I think.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:58 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Yes, I guess that explains why you don't use the Jaws virtual ribbons. I can 
see where you were trying to interact with the sited computer users where you 
worked. That's fine and understandable. But what I am trying to patiently say 
is, for a blind computer user of Jaws, in a home or work environment, I believe 
it is more efficient to use the Jaws virtual ribbons and the new tell me 
feature in the office 365 subscription. The office 2016 products work well with 
Jaws 18 using the virtual ribbons. As a blind computer user, why not take 
advantage of the Jaws virtual ribbons feature? I am not sited, so why should I 
put to my memory, all the various office shortcut keystrokes for using word, 
outlook, and excel 2016. This sounds like a lot of extra work, that a blind 
user of office should not have to add to the learning of how to use W-10 with 
Jaws. I did try that method for a few years, but I did not like it. No hard 
feelings, we are just having a friendly discussion on whether to
  use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. No shame in using the Jaws virtual 
ribbons. Just call me lazy, only so much room in this Pinhead of mine! LOL. No, 
I don't believe the moderators will get upset, if we keep this topic as a 
friendly discussion. I think it will benefit the group. Let me say, I meant no 
disrespect to your views on not using the virtual ribbons in Jaws. So, thanks 
and smiles for your friendly discussion on this topic.

-Original Message-From: JAWS-Users-List 
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hi, Jim.

The reason I don't try the JAWS virtual ribbon is the one I gave you before. To 
quote that part of my post: This is one area, however, where I believe JAWS 
users have both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new users 
need to know that this choice exists. I quickly became comfortable with the MS 
ribbons, as others on this list have. If they were too difficult, then I, too, 
would use the virtual ribbon. But since we have a true choice here, the 
question becomes whether I choose a method everyone else in the world uses or 
the one that only a few can.

I'll elaborate. I used to supervise a consumer protection mediation program 
where all my staff was sighted. As many middle-age people find, college 
students handle technology much more naturally than I did. If I had a problem 
using MS Word or some other application, one or other of my student interns 
would have an answer for me right away. If I'd been using the JAWS virtual 
ribbon, they could have given me no help. Besides, there were times when I knew 
how to solve a Word or other tech problem that no one else did, which helped 
ensure that I kept interacting with my staff on an even playing field. If I'd 
been using the JAWS virtual cursor, I would have been out of that loop.

So what I mean by a "philosophical" choice is that I chose interaction with the 
sighted world over the seemingly simpler JAWS virtual ribbon. As I wrote 
before, I would have used the JAWS virtual ribbon if the MS ribbons had been 
inaccessible, but they're extremely easy to use, thanks in large part to 
shortcuts, the applications key and the key tips. 

I hope this answers your question once and for all. I don't want to test our 
moderators' patience over a non-technical JAWS question.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

OK, just wondering, you say, I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual 
ribbon. So how do you know how the Jaws virtual ribbons work with the office 
365 products? I am not trying to start trouble, I am just curious as to your 
strong response against not using the Jaws virtual ribbons, if you have not 
tried using them. Again, I am speaking through experience from using the Jaws 
virtual ribbons with office 365 on a W-10 computer, running the Creators update 
with the latest Jaws 18 version. Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:22 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hi, LeDon. If you use any Office application, such as Word or 

Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

[David Ferrin]

Thank you, I did know that. The stressful part is going to be for my 58 year 
old memory to recall all of those steps.


If need be I'll keep a file open on another system. Believe me I am far from 
infallible.


-Original Message- 
From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:09 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

Hey. Don't stress. Compatibility mode is cool and designed specifically so
you can't break anything, even though there's no gguarantee the programme
will work exactly the same as it used to on your old OS.

I did forget to mention that you might want to copy that .msi package file
to a desktop or folder of your choice. Windows 10 in particular might
complain about trying to run it from the temp folder.

Cheers, and let me know if it works.

.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

This might be stressful, but still worth a try to be sure.

Thank you for the directions on how to proceed. I'll let you what the
results turn out to be.

-Original Message-
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

Hey David.

I am using nero 11, so I'm not sure how or if your nero 6 will work.
However, you can try this and see what happens:

Run the Nero installer. Do you get an error message? Just click ok.
Then go to the run dialogue box with windows-r. Type "%temp%". This should
put you in your temporary files folder.
Look for a folder called "nero install files". Nero has left some stuff
there for Windows to clean up later. You should look for a file called
"nero.mmstrial.msi" or something like that. The name will probably be
different, but I suppose whatever .msi file is in there ought to do the
trick. Don't run this yet.
Open its properties dialogue with alt-enter. Arrow over to the compatibility
tab. You will see a combo box which lets you choose which version of Windows
you want to force compatibility with. Choose whichever oS worked best with
your nero.
Check the "run as administrator" box, if it's there; then click apply, and
ok.
Now run the .msi file.
. And that's it. No guarantees, but this method definitely works with Nero
11. Good luck.




-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

Since I like to gather information where ever possible please fill me in on
how this is done. It is Nero version 6 if that matters.

-Original Message-
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

Hi David. It is a 64 bit system. The reason, I think, your nero won't
install is because of a flash incompattibility issue. There is a workaround.
You really don't need this feature anyway, but it causes the install process
to abort prematurely. If you are interested I can send you a message off
list explaining how to get around this issue. I haven't had any other
problems at all, so that's the only thing I can think of that might be
preventing you from installing. To be honest even though I have a 64-bit
machine, most of the applications I use are still 32-bit anyway. So it goes,
I guess, at least until I upgrade to Office 2016...



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

If I were to guess then your system is 32 bit. I have Nero burning ROM as
well but it won't install on any 64 bit system.

Come to think of it I do have a windows 10 system that is 32 bit, oh the
possibilities I might have to investigate.

-Original Message-
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

I use Nero burning Rom. It's not too new but works on my Windows 10 machine
like a breeze.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:06 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

What do you guys use to burn dves?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

[JM Casey]

Hey. Don't stress. Compatibility mode is cool and designed specifically so
you can't break anything, even though there's no gguarantee the programme
will work exactly the same as it used to on your old OS.

I did forget to mention that you might want to copy that .msi package file
to a desktop or folder of your choice. Windows 10 in particular might
complain about trying to run it from the temp folder.

Cheers, and let me know if it works.

. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

This might be stressful, but still worth a try to be sure.

Thank you for the directions on how to proceed. I'll let you what the
results turn out to be.

-Original Message-
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

Hey David.

I am using nero 11, so I'm not sure how or if your nero 6 will work.
However, you can try this and see what happens:

Run the Nero installer. Do you get an error message? Just click ok.
Then go to the run dialogue box with windows-r. Type "%temp%". This should
put you in your temporary files folder.
Look for a folder called "nero install files". Nero has left some stuff
there for Windows to clean up later. You should look for a file called
"nero.mmstrial.msi" or something like that. The name will probably be
different, but I suppose whatever .msi file is in there ought to do the
trick. Don't run this yet.
Open its properties dialogue with alt-enter. Arrow over to the compatibility
tab. You will see a combo box which lets you choose which version of Windows
you want to force compatibility with. Choose whichever oS worked best with
your nero.
Check the "run as administrator" box, if it's there; then click apply, and
ok.
Now run the .msi file.
. And that's it. No guarantees, but this method definitely works with Nero
11. Good luck.




-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

Since I like to gather information where ever possible please fill me in on
how this is done. It is Nero version 6 if that matters.

-Original Message-
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

Hi David. It is a 64 bit system. The reason, I think, your nero won't
install is because of a flash incompattibility issue. There is a workaround.
You really don't need this feature anyway, but it causes the install process
to abort prematurely. If you are interested I can send you a message off
list explaining how to get around this issue. I haven't had any other
problems at all, so that's the only thing I can think of that might be
preventing you from installing. To be honest even though I have a 64-bit
machine, most of the applications I use are still 32-bit anyway. So it goes,
I guess, at least until I upgrade to Office 2016...



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

If I were to guess then your system is 32 bit. I have Nero burning ROM as
well but it won't install on any 64 bit system.

Come to think of it I do have a windows 10 system that is 32 bit, oh the
possibilities I might have to investigate.

-Original Message-
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

I use Nero burning Rom. It's not too new but works on my Windows 10 machine
like a breeze.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:06 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

What do you guys use to burn dves?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] to moderators

[David Ferrin]

Already handled.

-Original Message- 
From: Diane Giannetti 
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:03 PM 
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] to moderators 


Hello Jaws Group.  I have a question to the moderators.  I need to have my
previous email of:

diane.lu...@frontier.com  email to be unsubscribed so I am asking if one of
you would be willing to do that for me.  This would be much appreciated.
Thank you.

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


David Ferrin
You don't have to be crazy to run a list like this, but it does help.  


For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

[JAWS-Users] to moderators

[Diane Giannetti]

Hello Jaws Group.  I have a question to the moderators.  I need to have my
previous email of:

diane.lu...@frontier.com  email to be unsubscribed so I am asking if one of
you would be willing to do that for me.  This would be much appreciated.
Thank you.

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

[David Ferrin]

This might be stressful, but still worth a try to be sure.

Thank you for the directions on how to proceed. I'll let you what the 
results turn out to be.


-Original Message- 
From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

Hey David.

I am using nero 11, so I'm not sure how or if your nero 6 will work.
However, you can try this and see what happens:

Run the Nero installer. Do you get an error message? Just click ok.
Then go to the run dialogue box with windows-r. Type "%temp%". This should
put you in your temporary files folder.
Look for a folder called "nero install files". Nero has left some stuff
there for Windows to clean up later. You should look for a file called
"nero.mmstrial.msi" or something like that. The name will probably be
different, but I suppose whatever .msi file is in there ought to do the
trick. Don't run this yet.
Open its properties dialogue with alt-enter. Arrow over to the compatibility
tab. You will see a combo box which lets you choose which version of Windows
you want to force compatibility with. Choose whichever oS worked best with
your nero.
Check the "run as administrator" box, if it's there; then click apply, and
ok.
Now run the .msi file.
. And that's it. No guarantees, but this method definitely works with Nero
11. Good luck.




-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

Since I like to gather information where ever possible please fill me in on
how this is done. It is Nero version 6 if that matters.

-Original Message-
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

Hi David. It is a 64 bit system. The reason, I think, your nero won't
install is because of a flash incompattibility issue. There is a workaround.
You really don't need this feature anyway, but it causes the install process
to abort prematurely. If you are interested I can send you a message off
list explaining how to get around this issue. I haven't had any other
problems at all, so that's the only thing I can think of that might be
preventing you from installing. To be honest even though I have a 64-bit
machine, most of the applications I use are still 32-bit anyway. So it goes,
I guess, at least until I upgrade to Office 2016...



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

If I were to guess then your system is 32 bit. I have Nero burning ROM as
well but it won't install on any 64 bit system.

Come to think of it I do have a windows 10 system that is 32 bit, oh the
possibilities I might have to investigate.

-Original Message-
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

I use Nero burning Rom. It's not too new but works on my Windows 10 machine
like a breeze.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:06 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

What do you guys use to burn dves?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

[JM Casey]

Yeah, this is terrible. Really terrible. And that's all I have to say about
that.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:10 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

For the record, this company charges a relatively high price for this
software. IN itself, that might be okay. However, they are also aggressive,
frequently putting messages on my system long after I gave up on the
program. They also didn't respond adequately to concerns I expressed about
another of their software offerings. I urged that Express Rip enable users
to rip tracks in the same order in which they appear on a CD, as you can do
with WMP. Nothing doing.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Pearson
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

expressburn

At 10:06 AM 8/21/2017, you wrote:
>What do you guys use to burn dves?
>
>Justin
>
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>http://www.jaws-users.com/help/



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Flusche]

Yes, I guess that explains why you don't use the Jaws virtual ribbons. I can 
see where you were trying to interact with the sited computer users where you 
worked. That's fine and understandable. But what I am trying to patiently say 
is, for a blind computer user of Jaws, in a home or work environment, I believe 
it is more efficient to use the Jaws virtual ribbons and the new tell me 
feature in the office 365 subscription. The office 2016 products work well with 
Jaws 18 using the virtual ribbons. As a blind computer user, why not take 
advantage of the Jaws virtual ribbons feature? I am not sited, so why should I 
put to my memory, all the various office shortcut keystrokes for using word, 
outlook, and excel 2016. This sounds like a lot of extra work, that a blind 
user of office should not have to add to the learning of how to use W-10 with 
Jaws. I did try that method for a few years, but I did not like it. No hard 
feelings, we are just having a friendly discussion on whether to use the
  Jaws virtual ribbons or not. No shame in using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Just 
call me lazy, only so much room in this Pinhead of mine! LOL. No, I don't 
believe the moderators will get upset, if we keep this topic as a friendly 
discussion. I think it will benefit the group. Let me say, I meant no 
disrespect to your views on not using the virtual ribbons in Jaws. So, thanks 
and smiles for your friendly discussion on this topic.

-Original Message-From: JAWS-Users-List 
[mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hi, Jim.

The reason I don't try the JAWS virtual ribbon is the one I gave you before. To 
quote that part of my post: This is one area, however, where I believe JAWS 
users have both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new users 
need to know that this choice exists. I quickly became comfortable with the MS 
ribbons, as others on this list have. If they were too difficult, then I, too, 
would use the virtual ribbon. But since we have a true choice here, the 
question becomes whether I choose a method everyone else in the world uses or 
the one that only a few can.

I'll elaborate. I used to supervise a consumer protection mediation program 
where all my staff was sighted. As many middle-age people find, college 
students handle technology much more naturally than I did. If I had a problem 
using MS Word or some other application, one or other of my student interns 
would have an answer for me right away. If I'd been using the JAWS virtual 
ribbon, they could have given me no help. Besides, there were times when I knew 
how to solve a Word or other tech problem that no one else did, which helped 
ensure that I kept interacting with my staff on an even playing field. If I'd 
been using the JAWS virtual cursor, I would have been out of that loop.

So what I mean by a "philosophical" choice is that I chose interaction with the 
sighted world over the seemingly simpler JAWS virtual ribbon. As I wrote 
before, I would have used the JAWS virtual ribbon if the MS ribbons had been 
inaccessible, but they're extremely easy to use, thanks in large part to 
shortcuts, the applications key and the key tips. 

I hope this answers your question once and for all. I don't want to test our 
moderators' patience over a non-technical JAWS question.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

OK, just wondering, you say, I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual 
ribbon. So how do you know how the Jaws virtual ribbons work with the office 
365 products? I am not trying to start trouble, I am just curious as to your 
strong response against not using the Jaws virtual ribbons, if you have not 
tried using them. Again, I am speaking through experience from using the Jaws 
virtual ribbons with office 365 on a W-10 computer, running the Creators update 
with the latest Jaws 18 version. Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:22 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hi, LeDon. If you use any Office application, such as Word or Outlook, chances 
are you already use the Microsoft ribbons and that you use  a number  of 
shortcuts. The thread is about the JAWS virtual cursor, which FS created in an 
attempt to simplify how visually impaired computer users manage these 
applications. I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual ribbon. If 
you're looking for information about that, listers who do use it will 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[rosecombs52]

I might have embraced virtual ribbons had I been new to Word but I had been
using Word and Outlook 2007 for several years before they appeared and not
having the ability to use shortcut keys my brain used automatically was the
reason I turned them off and have never been tempted to use them again.  I
learned the ribbons from Jaws Help and extra training files early on and
being able to type control E and have text centered for example instead of
finding it in menus or even on the ribbons worked and was faster.
Production was a keyword in my employment so the shortest way to accomplish
something was a byword.  

I can see using the virtual ribbons for newbies or for someone who does not
have to be concerned about time constraints.  They were added for good
reason for many users.  I am not saying they should never be used, but, I do
suggest one learn the ribbons and then decide which works best for their
needs.  The help system (not installed on my current computer because I
can't figure out why Windows 10 won't allow me to get them off the CD) (have
not tried too hard) are extremely well written and narrated.  Use them.
Then decide what options meet with your style of working.  No one of us has
the right answer for you.  Your style is unique, you made the decisions but
read about both at least is my humble opinion.  



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:41 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Moi? Well, then either that was the one and only time I've been wrong, or as
you say, things have changed. Take your pick.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Adrian Spratt" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:02
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you 
posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains

it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid 
yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all.
Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new 
posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier 
because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, 
whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone

and be part of the whole wide world.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Adrian,

I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the 
keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded".
In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine 
disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this
Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Adrian Spratt" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say.
I've never done it.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon?

Laura


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent
on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't
use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to
buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Laura Richardson" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Hello,



When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner.
I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to
learn how to navigate these 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Adrian Spratt]

Hi, Jim.

The reason I don't try the JAWS virtual ribbon is the one I gave you before. To 
quote that part of my post: This is one area, however, where I believe JAWS 
users have both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new users 
need to know that this choice exists. I quickly became comfortable with the MS 
ribbons, as others on this list have. If they were too difficult, then I, too, 
would use the virtual ribbon. But since we have a true choice here, the 
question becomes whether I choose a method everyone else in the world uses or 
the one that only a few can.

I'll elaborate. I used to supervise a consumer protection mediation program 
where all my staff was sighted. As many middle-age people find, college 
students handle technology much more naturally than I did. If I had a problem 
using MS Word or some other application, one or other of my student interns 
would have an answer for me right away. If I'd been using the JAWS virtual 
ribbon, they could have given me no help. Besides, there were times when I knew 
how to solve a Word or other tech problem that no one else did, which helped 
ensure that I kept interacting with my staff on an even playing field. If I'd 
been using the JAWS virtual cursor, I would have been out of that loop.

So what I mean by a "philosophical" choice is that I chose interaction with the 
sighted world over the seemingly simpler JAWS virtual ribbon. As I wrote 
before, I would have used the JAWS virtual ribbon if the MS ribbons had been 
inaccessible, but they're extremely easy to use, thanks in large part to 
shortcuts, the applications key and the key tips. 

I hope this answers your question once and for all. I don't want to test our 
moderators' patience over a non-technical JAWS question.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

OK, just wondering, you say, I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual 
ribbon. So how do you know how the Jaws virtual ribbons work with the office 
365 products? I am not trying to start trouble, I am just curious as to your 
strong response against not using the Jaws virtual ribbons, if you have not 
tried using them. Again, I am speaking through experience from using the Jaws 
virtual ribbons with office 365 on a W-10 computer, running the Creators update 
with the latest Jaws 18 version. Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:22 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hi, LeDon. If you use any Office application, such as Word or Outlook, chances 
are you already use the Microsoft ribbons and that you use  a number  of 
shortcuts. The thread is about the JAWS virtual cursor, which FS created in an 
attempt to simplify how visually impaired computer users manage these 
applications. I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual ribbon. If 
you're looking for information about that, listers who do use it will need to 
respond to your query. Note that the JAWS virtual ribbon prevents you from 
using shortcuts and first-letter navigation.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of LeDon
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

OK, I must confess, I have not followed this thread. So I am not a power user. 
I am wondering, how do you get to the ribbon? How do I learn the short cuts and 
hints you speak of? 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:29 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hi, Laura.

Rose previously posted a message that was critical of the JAWS virtual ribbon 
that I agree with. For one thing, it prevents you from using familiar 
shortcuts. In a bigger picture sense that might or might not matter to you, 
avoiding the regular Microsoft ribbon will make it more difficult to get 
sighted assistance, since they won't know anything about the JAWS virtual 
ribbon. For this and other reasons, I prefer to use the MS ribbons.

Each of us has a different way of learning the MS ribbons. Whenever possible, I 
will use a shortcut instead of delving into the ribbon. For example, I'll press 
control-d to get to the font dialog rather than go hunting for it in the 
ribbon. 

Another way of getting around the ribbons is to use the applications key, 
between the right Windows and control keys on most keyboards. This is where I 
go for the dialog 

Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

[Adrian Spratt]

For the record, this company charges a relatively high price for this software. 
IN itself, that might be okay. However, they are also aggressive, frequently 
putting messages on my system long after I gave up on the program. They also 
didn't respond adequately to concerns I expressed about another of their 
software offerings. I urged that Express Rip enable users to rip tracks in the 
same order in which they appear on a CD, as you can do with WMP. Nothing doing.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Pearson
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

expressburn

At 10:06 AM 8/21/2017, you wrote:
>What do you guys use to burn dves?
>
>Justin
>
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[JAWS-Users] Excel 13 Inquiry

[jyandt.martin]

Afternoon all.

I am using JAWS 17, Excel 13 and Windows 10 on a Dell laptop. I was wanting to 
know about a frustrating problem. I have a spreadsheet, and in some of the 
cells, I have a list of postal/zip codes. However, some of these codes start 
with the number 0. But after entering on the cell, excel converts it to the 
letter O. Can anyone explain this, and suggest a remedy? Many thanks in advance.

Jerry
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Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

[JM Casey]

Hey David.

I am using nero 11, so I'm not sure how or if your nero 6 will work.
However, you can try this and see what happens:

Run the Nero installer. Do you get an error message? Just click ok. 
Then go to the run dialogue box with windows-r. Type "%temp%". This should
put you in your temporary files folder. 
Look for a folder called "nero install files". Nero has left some stuff
there for Windows to clean up later. You should look for a file called
"nero.mmstrial.msi" or something like that. The name will probably be
different, but I suppose whatever .msi file is in there ought to do the
trick. Don't run this yet. 
Open its properties dialogue with alt-enter. Arrow over to the compatibility
tab. You will see a combo box which lets you choose which version of Windows
you want to force compatibility with. Choose whichever oS worked best with
your nero. 
Check the "run as administrator" box, if it's there; then click apply, and
ok.
Now run the .msi file.
. And that's it. No guarantees, but this method definitely works with Nero
11. Good luck.




-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:41 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

Since I like to gather information where ever possible please fill me in on
how this is done. It is Nero version 6 if that matters.

-Original Message-
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

Hi David. It is a 64 bit system. The reason, I think, your nero won't
install is because of a flash incompattibility issue. There is a workaround.
You really don't need this feature anyway, but it causes the install process
to abort prematurely. If you are interested I can send you a message off
list explaining how to get around this issue. I haven't had any other
problems at all, so that's the only thing I can think of that might be
preventing you from installing. To be honest even though I have a 64-bit
machine, most of the applications I use are still 32-bit anyway. So it goes,
I guess, at least until I upgrade to Office 2016...



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

If I were to guess then your system is 32 bit. I have Nero burning ROM as
well but it won't install on any 64 bit system.

Come to think of it I do have a windows 10 system that is 32 bit, oh the
possibilities I might have to investigate.

-Original Message-
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

I use Nero burning Rom. It's not too new but works on my Windows 10 machine
like a breeze.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:06 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

What do you guys use to burn dves?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Flusche]

OK, just wondering, you say, I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual 
ribbon. So how do you know how the Jaws virtual ribbons work with the office 
365 products? I am not trying to start trouble, I am just curious as to your 
strong response against not using the Jaws virtual ribbons, if you have not 
tried using them. Again, I am speaking through experience from using the Jaws 
virtual ribbons with office 365 on a W-10 computer, running the Creators update 
with the latest Jaws 18 version. Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:22 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hi, LeDon. If you use any Office application, such as Word or Outlook, chances 
are you already use the Microsoft ribbons and that you use  a number  of 
shortcuts. The thread is about the JAWS virtual cursor, which FS created in an 
attempt to simplify how visually impaired computer users manage these 
applications. I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual ribbon. If 
you're looking for information about that, listers who do use it will need to 
respond to your query. Note that the JAWS virtual ribbon prevents you from 
using shortcuts and first-letter navigation.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of LeDon
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

OK, I must confess, I have not followed this thread. So I am not a power user. 
I am wondering, how do you get to the ribbon? How do I learn the short cuts and 
hints you speak of? 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:29 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hi, Laura.

Rose previously posted a message that was critical of the JAWS virtual ribbon 
that I agree with. For one thing, it prevents you from using familiar 
shortcuts. In a bigger picture sense that might or might not matter to you, 
avoiding the regular Microsoft ribbon will make it more difficult to get 
sighted assistance, since they won't know anything about the JAWS virtual 
ribbon. For this and other reasons, I prefer to use the MS ribbons.

Each of us has a different way of learning the MS ribbons. Whenever possible, I 
will use a shortcut instead of delving into the ribbon. For example, I'll press 
control-d to get to the font dialog rather than go hunting for it in the 
ribbon. 

Another way of getting around the ribbons is to use the applications key, 
between the right Windows and control keys on most keyboards. This is where I 
go for the dialog that takes you through line-spacing, margins, etc. 

But then there are the times when you must use the ribbon. Here, you may find 
yourself remembering what are called key tips. For example, when I want to 
place the page number at a certain point on a page (top left, top middle, 
etc.), I press the following keys: alt+n together for "insert," and then n, u 
in quick succession. I'm immediately in the right dialog. 

When you explore the MS ribbons, listen carefully for these key tips. I find 
they aren't always easy to hear, but usually I can make them out. The example I 
just gave will be verbalized when you go through the "insert" part of the 
ribbon.

I'm not pretending to give you an exhaustive explanation of the MS ribbons, but 
I hope it might help you think about how to approach them. Shortcuts, 
applications key, key tips, in that order of simplicity. When I first faced the 
MS ribbons, I was intimidated. I shouldn't have been. Just learn what you need 
as the need arises. And never hesitate to post questions here.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hello,

 

When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner.
I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to 
learn how to navigate these ribbons.

 

Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more 
efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off?  I want and need to learn 
as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

Laura

  

 

 

   

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Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

[David Pearson]

expressburn

At 10:06 AM 8/21/2017, you wrote:

What do you guys use to burn dves?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

[David Ferrin]

Since I like to gather information where ever possible please fill me in on 
how this is done. It is Nero version 6 if that matters.


-Original Message- 
From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

Hi David. It is a 64 bit system. The reason, I think, your nero won't
install is because of a flash incompattibility issue. There is a workaround.
You really don't need this feature anyway, but it causes the install process
to abort prematurely. If you are interested I can send you a message off
list explaining how to get around this issue. I haven't had any other
problems at all, so that's the only thing I can think of that might be
preventing you from installing. To be honest even though I have a 64-bit
machine, most of the applications I use are still 32-bit anyway. So it goes,
I guess, at least until I upgrade to Office 2016...



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

If I were to guess then your system is 32 bit. I have Nero burning ROM as
well but it won't install on any 64 bit system.

Come to think of it I do have a windows 10 system that is 32 bit, oh the
possibilities I might have to investigate.

-Original Message-
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

I use Nero burning Rom. It's not too new but works on my Windows 10 machine
like a breeze.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:06 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

What do you guys use to burn dves?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Flusche]

Yes, I agree, thanks.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Vicki
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:14 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

I've followed this thread for awhile and I'm wondering why people don't just 
try it both ways and see what works best for them.

Some people, for whatever reason, age, time, ability to learn new things, etc., 
have trouble learning new things.

Others, however, learn quickly and love the challenge of learning anything and 
everything that is released in the latest technology, no matter what it is.

For me, I love trying new things but I don't always have the time right away 
and simply put it off until I do have the time. My mom, who is in her 80's, 
won't even touch a computer, while my neighbor, in her 90's, takes on the 
challenge of just about anything.

Vicki

- Original Message -
From: "David Ferrin" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


> Opinions are like pebbles of sand, they are all different. No one is worth 
> more or less than any other as they all come together to form a beach.
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Jim Flusche
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:18 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..
>
> No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we 
> should use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have 
> given their opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have 
> given good directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws 
> virtual ribbons activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special 
> keystrokes for word 2016, when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual 
> ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how this makes life much easier with using Word, 
> outlook, and excel. Again, I am not demanding from anyone that they must 
> do it this way. Each of us can decide for ourselves weather we use the 
> Jaws virtual ribbons or not. So please do not single me out and say my 
> opinion is wrong over another member opinion. We are all entitled to give 
> our own opinions out on this group unless things have changed that I am 
> not aware of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
> Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..
>
> Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you 
> posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here 
> explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on 
> how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all.
> Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's 
> new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier 
> because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, 
> whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to 
> everyone and be part of the whole wide world.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dave ...
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..
>
> Adrian,
>
> I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the 
> keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said 
> "expanded".
> In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine 
> disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this
> Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled?
>
> Dave
> Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adrian Spratt" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..
>
>
> Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say.
> I've never done it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
> Behalf Of Laura Richardson
> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..
>
> Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon?
>
> Laura
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
> Behalf Of Dave ...
> Sent: Sunday, 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Flusche]

No problem, we all use whatever Jaws settings works best for us. No right or 
wrong answer in what option we choose to use with Jaws. In my opinion, I 
recommend using the Jaws virtual ribbons. I say this after using and testing 
the Jaws virtual ribbons for many years with the Microsoft products. Just my 
two cents worth! Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Jim, I carefully said "I think" you're wrong when saying the virtual cursor is 
easier. You're a valuable contributor to this list, and I've made notes from a 
number of your contributions. ON this particular issue, I disagree, and I 
explained why. I didn't do so out of disrespect or even to cause controversy, 
which is draining. This is one area, however, where I believe JAWS users have 
both a practical and philosophical choice to make, and new users need to know 
that this choice exists. I quickly became comfortable with the MS ribbons, as 
others on this list have. If they were too difficult, then I, too, would use 
the virtual ribbon. But since we have a true choice here, the question becomes 
whether I choose a method everyone else in the world uses or the one that only 
a few can. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Jim Flusche
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Thanks David, I like that, it takes all of us and our opinion working together 
to finish the beach. Thanks, and smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Opinions are like pebbles of sand, they are all different. No one is worth more 
or less than any other as they all come together to form a beach.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Flusche
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we should 
use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have given their 
opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have given good 
directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws virtual ribbons 
activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special keystrokes for word 2016, 
when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how 
this makes life much easier with using Word, outlook, and excel. Again, I am 
not demanding from anyone that they must do it this way. Each of us can decide 
for ourselves weather we use the Jaws virtual ribbons or not. So please do not 
single me out and say my opinion is wrong over another member opinion. We are 
all entitled to give our own opinions out on this group unless things have 
changed that I am not aware of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you 
posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains 
it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid 
yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all.
Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new 
posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because 
shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever 
possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part 
of the whole wide world.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Adrian,

I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. 
It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded".
In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled 
in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this
Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Adrian Spratt" 
To: 

Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

[JM Casey]

I use version 11. As I said, an oldie but goodie. Works finee with Windows
10 with a small install workaround.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of james
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:43 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

what version of niro do you use.

--
From: "JM Casey" 
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 10:33 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

> I use Nero burning Rom. It's not too new but works on my Windows 10 
> machine like a breeze.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Justin Williams
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:06 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd
>
> What do you guys use to burn dves?
>
> Justin
>
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>
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Jim Flusche]

Well I have been using the Jaws virtual ribbons for years now. I am using 
office 365, Freedom Scientific does a great job in keeping up with all the 
automatic updates in all the Microsoft products with Jaws. Any Jaws user is not 
missing out on anything by using the Jaws virtual ribbons. Again, this is just 
my opinion through much time in testing the Microsoft products with the Jaws 
virtual ribbons. They work great with Jaws. Thanks, and smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 3:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

That makes sense to me. As far as I understand the functioning of the virtual 
ribbons, too (someone correct me though if I am wrong), JAWS may not be keeping 
up with the frequent Windows 10 updates, so there's a chance you could actually 
lose functionality or miss out on features if you use these.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:48 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

For what it is worth I myself have never tried them at all because it occurred 
to me that it would not be moving forward with the learning curve that is 
Windows.

In other words how could you help somebody with such an animal IE ribbons in 
windows if you don't try them out for yourself?

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:02 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you 
posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains 
it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid 
yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all.
Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new 
posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier because 
shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, whenever 
possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone and be part 
of the whole wide world.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Adrian,

I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the keystroke. 
It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded".
In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine disabled 
in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this
Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Adrian Spratt" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say.
I've never done it.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon?

Laura


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent on 
them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't use 
first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to buckle 
down and just learn to use the ribbons.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Laura Richardson" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Hello,



When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner.
I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to 
learn how to navigate these ribbons.



Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more 
efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off?  I want and need to learn 
as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly 

Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

[JM Casey]

Hi David. It is a 64 bit system. The reason, I think, your nero won't
install is because of a flash incompattibility issue. There is a workaround.
You really don't need this feature anyway, but it causes the install process
to abort prematurely. If you are interested I can send you a message off
list explaining how to get around this issue. I haven't had any other
problems at all, so that's the only thing I can think of that might be
preventing you from installing. To be honest even though I have a 64-bit
machine, most of the applications I use are still 32-bit anyway. So it goes,
I guess, at least until I upgrade to Office 2016...



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:51 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

If I were to guess then your system is 32 bit. I have Nero burning ROM as
well but it won't install on any 64 bit system.

Come to think of it I do have a windows 10 system that is 32 bit, oh the
possibilities I might have to investigate.

-Original Message-
From: JM Casey
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

I use Nero burning Rom. It's not too new but works on my Windows 10 machine
like a breeze.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:06 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

What do you guys use to burn dves?

Justin

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[JAWS-Users] Thanks to a member for using the Taskbar in W-10 with Jaws

[Jim Flusche]

Hi group, I want to thank David Bailes, for reminding me about using first 
letter navigation in the taskbar of W-10 with Jaws, in his taskbar 10 guide. 
After pressing Windows key+T, just press the first letter of any pinned item to 
the taskbar to quickly jump to that item on the taskbar, and just press enter 
to open that taskbar item. I appreciate the time it took you David to write 
this guide. Thanks for reminding me about using first letter navigation with 
Jaws on the taskbar in W-10. God bless and smiles.


Your humble Pinhead!
Owner of the Windows 10 and Jaws group!

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Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

[David Ferrin]

If I were to guess then your system is 32 bit. I have Nero burning ROM as 
well but it won't install on any 64 bit system.


Come to think of it I do have a windows 10 system that is 32 bit, oh the 
possibilities I might have to investigate.


-Original Message- 
From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:33 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

I use Nero burning Rom. It's not too new but works on my Windows 10 machine
like a breeze.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:06 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

What do you guys use to burn dves?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

[Justin Williams]

Where do I get that?
 Do I need to download it?
 Justin ?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of james
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:43 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

what version of niro do you use.

--
From: "JM Casey" 
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 10:33 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

> I use Nero burning Rom. It's not too new but works on my Windows 10 
> machine like a breeze.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Justin Williams
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:06 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd
>
> What do you guys use to burn dves?
>
> Justin
>
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>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

[james]

what version of niro do you use.

--
From: "JM Casey" 
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 10:33 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

I use Nero burning Rom. It's not too new but works on my Windows 10 
machine

like a breeze.



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Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:06 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

What do you guys use to burn dves?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

[JM Casey]

I use Nero burning Rom. It's not too new but works on my Windows 10 machine
like a breeze.



-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:06 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

What do you guys use to burn dves?

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Adrian Spratt]

Hi, LeDon. If you use any Office application, such as Word or Outlook, chances 
are you already use the Microsoft ribbons and that you use  a number  of 
shortcuts. The thread is about the JAWS virtual cursor, which FS created in an 
attempt to simplify how visually impaired computer users manage these 
applications. I neither use nor advocate the use of the virtual ribbon. If 
you're looking for information about that, listers who do use it will need to 
respond to your query. Note that the JAWS virtual ribbon prevents you from 
using shortcuts and first-letter navigation.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of LeDon
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:33 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

OK, I must confess, I have not followed this thread. So I am not a power user. 
I am wondering, how do you get to the ribbon? How do I learn the short cuts and 
hints you speak of? 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:29 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hi, Laura.

Rose previously posted a message that was critical of the JAWS virtual ribbon 
that I agree with. For one thing, it prevents you from using familiar 
shortcuts. In a bigger picture sense that might or might not matter to you, 
avoiding the regular Microsoft ribbon will make it more difficult to get 
sighted assistance, since they won't know anything about the JAWS virtual 
ribbon. For this and other reasons, I prefer to use the MS ribbons.

Each of us has a different way of learning the MS ribbons. Whenever possible, I 
will use a shortcut instead of delving into the ribbon. For example, I'll press 
control-d to get to the font dialog rather than go hunting for it in the 
ribbon. 

Another way of getting around the ribbons is to use the applications key, 
between the right Windows and control keys on most keyboards. This is where I 
go for the dialog that takes you through line-spacing, margins, etc. 

But then there are the times when you must use the ribbon. Here, you may find 
yourself remembering what are called key tips. For example, when I want to 
place the page number at a certain point on a page (top left, top middle, 
etc.), I press the following keys: alt+n together for "insert," and then n, u 
in quick succession. I'm immediately in the right dialog. 

When you explore the MS ribbons, listen carefully for these key tips. I find 
they aren't always easy to hear, but usually I can make them out. The example I 
just gave will be verbalized when you go through the "insert" part of the 
ribbon.

I'm not pretending to give you an exhaustive explanation of the MS ribbons, but 
I hope it might help you think about how to approach them. Shortcuts, 
applications key, key tips, in that order of simplicity. When I first faced the 
MS ribbons, I was intimidated. I shouldn't have been. Just learn what you need 
as the need arises. And never hesitate to post questions here.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hello,

 

When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner.
I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to 
learn how to navigate these ribbons.

 

Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more 
efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off?  I want and need to learn 
as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

Laura

  

 

 

   

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[LeDon]

OK, I must confess, I have not followed this thread. So I am not a power
user. I am wondering, how do you get to the ribbon? How do I learn the short
cuts and hints you speak of? 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:29 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hi, Laura.

Rose previously posted a message that was critical of the JAWS virtual
ribbon that I agree with. For one thing, it prevents you from using familiar
shortcuts. In a bigger picture sense that might or might not matter to you,
avoiding the regular Microsoft ribbon will make it more difficult to get
sighted assistance, since they won't know anything about the JAWS virtual
ribbon. For this and other reasons, I prefer to use the MS ribbons.

Each of us has a different way of learning the MS ribbons. Whenever
possible, I will use a shortcut instead of delving into the ribbon. For
example, I'll press control-d to get to the font dialog rather than go
hunting for it in the ribbon. 

Another way of getting around the ribbons is to use the applications key,
between the right Windows and control keys on most keyboards. This is where
I go for the dialog that takes you through line-spacing, margins, etc. 

But then there are the times when you must use the ribbon. Here, you may
find yourself remembering what are called key tips. For example, when I want
to place the page number at a certain point on a page (top left, top middle,
etc.), I press the following keys: alt+n together for "insert," and then n,
u in quick succession. I'm immediately in the right dialog. 

When you explore the MS ribbons, listen carefully for these key tips. I find
they aren't always easy to hear, but usually I can make them out. The
example I just gave will be verbalized when you go through the "insert" part
of the ribbon.

I'm not pretending to give you an exhaustive explanation of the MS ribbons,
but I hope it might help you think about how to approach them. Shortcuts,
applications key, key tips, in that order of simplicity. When I first faced
the MS ribbons, I was intimidated. I shouldn't have been. Just learn what
you need as the need arises. And never hesitate to post questions here.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:58 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Hello,

 

When it comes to navigating MS Word ribbons I'm pretty much a beginner.
I've memorized certain shortcut keys to do very specific things but need to
learn how to navigate these ribbons.

 

Right now virtual ribbons are turned on .. Would it be easier and more
efficient to learn the ribbons if I turned this off?  I want and need to
learn as much as I can so any feedback and suggestions are greatly
appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance,

Laura

  

 

 

   

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Re: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

[David Ferrin]

I like any burn, free for personal use available on the programs page.

-Original Message- 
From: Justin Williams 
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:06 AM 
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd 


What do you guys use to burn dves?

Justin

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[JAWS-Users] burning dvds and cd

[Justin Williams]

What do you guys use to burn dves?

Justin

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Re: [JAWS-Users] font size in wlm

[Lenny McHugh]

Janie, Thank you, mine was set to 10 but I did increase it to 11 to help him 
and other low vision individuals.


-Original Message- 
From: Janie Degenshein

Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] font size in wlm

In wlm
Use
control shift o to bring up the multi page area of options
Control tab to the compose page and then tab to font settings. . . and enter
now tab throught this section selecting the font style or sizeand then tab
to apply and tab to okay
good luck friend


-Original Message- 
From: Lenny McHugh

Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:43 PM
To: JFW List
Subject: [JAWS-Users] font size in wlm

I just received this message on another list. It was not directed at me. In
case I also am guilty how can I make this requested change?
For some reason people seem to be using a very small font for their
messages. I have to adjust a lot to read them. It would be easier if you
stuck with 10 to 12 font size. I'm sure this is an intentional so I don't
want to reply any criticism. Just would make it more accessible for me.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[David Ferrin]

I was looking for a metaphor and that is what popped in to my thinking 
processes. It wasn't a good one but it seemed to work to defuse the 
situation.


We all are different but we must work together.

-Original Message- 
From: Dave ...

Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:22 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

David, so you are saying that life is a beach?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "David Ferrin" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:51
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Opinions are like pebbles of sand, they are all different. No one is worth
more or less than any other as they all come together to form a beach.

-Original Message- 
From: Jim Flusche

Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we
should use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have
given their opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have
given good directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws
virtual ribbons activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special
keystrokes for word 2016, when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual
ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how this makes life much easier with using Word,
outlook, and excel. Again, I am not demanding from anyone that they must do
it this way. Each of us can decide for ourselves weather we use the Jaws
virtual ribbons or not. So please do not single me out and say my opinion is
wrong over another member opinion. We are all entitled to give our own
opinions out on this group unless things have changed that I am not aware
of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you
posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here explains
it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on how to rid
yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all.
Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's new
posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier
because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides,
whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to everyone
and be part of the whole wide world.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Adrian,

I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the
keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said "expanded".
In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine
disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this
Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Adrian Spratt" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say.
I've never done it.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon?

Laura


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave ...
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent
on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they don't
use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and decided to
buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Laura Richardson" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 06:58
Subject: [JAWS-Users] 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ......

[Vicki]

I've followed this thread for awhile and I'm wondering why people don't just 
try it both ways and see what works best for them.


Some people, for whatever reason, age, time, ability to learn new things, 
etc., have trouble learning new things.


Others, however, learn quickly and love the challenge of learning anything 
and everything that is released in the latest technology, no matter what it 
is.


For me, I love trying new things but I don't always have the time right away 
and simply put it off until I do have the time. My mom, who is in her 80's, 
won't even touch a computer, while my neighbor, in her 90's, takes on the 
challenge of just about anything.


Vicki

- Original Message - 
From: "David Ferrin" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Opinions are like pebbles of sand, they are all different. No one is worth 
more or less than any other as they all come together to form a beach.


-Original Message- 
From: Jim Flusche

Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 2:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

No, Jim is not wrong. LOL. I have just given my humble opinion on why we 
should use the virtual ribbons with Jaws just like all other members have 
given their opinions on why not to use the virtual ribbons. Also, I have 
given good directions on how to use the word 2016 ribbons with the Jaws 
virtual ribbons activated. Why make myself remember a hundred special 
keystrokes for word 2016, when VFO gives us the ability to use the virtual 
ribbons with Jaws 18. Oh, how this makes life much easier with using Word, 
outlook, and excel. Again, I am not demanding from anyone that they must 
do it this way. Each of us can decide for ourselves weather we use the 
Jaws virtual ribbons or not. So please do not single me out and say my 
opinion is wrong over another member opinion. We are all entitled to give 
our own opinions out on this group unless things have changed that I am 
not aware of. Just my two cents worth. Smiles.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt

Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 1:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Guess where I got it from? One of your messages some years ago. But if you 
posted it, it was right at the time, and probably what you say here 
explains it. Regardless, Gerald and you posted excellent instructions on 
how to rid yourself of the virtual ribbon once and for all.
Laura is seeing just how strong opinions can be on this list with Jim's 
new posts. I think he's wrong to say the virtual ribbon makes life easier 
because shortcuts and first-letter navigation don't work with it. Besides, 
whenever possible, I would much rather use the options available to 
everyone and be part of the whole wide world.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Dave ...

Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:57 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Adrian,

I was curious about that. However I launched Word and then tried the 
keystroke. It said "collapsed" and then when pressed again, said 
"expanded".
In either case, the virtual ribbon did not appear. Since I have mine 
disabled in the settings center, this might have an effect. Perhaps this

Ctrl+F1 keystroke is meaningful if the virtual ribbon is enabled?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Adrian Spratt" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 07:32
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..


Control+F1 turns the virtual ribbon on and off. That's what my notes say.
I've never done it.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Laura Richardson

Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:28 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

Would you or somebody please tell me how to turn off the virtual ribbon?

Laura


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Dave ...

Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 9:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Learning MS ribbons - virtual or not ..

I would turn off the virtual ribbon. It is handy, but you become dependent 
on them and they don't work as well as the original menus, since they 
don't use first-letter navigation. I tried them briefly years ago and 
decided to buckle down and just learn to use the ribbons.


Dave
Oregonian,