Re: [JAWS-Users] victor reader

[Pauline Dalton]

I do not believe you can transfer a book from the card to the internal 
memory.

You can move a book from the internal memory to the SD Card.

If you hit the 3 key quickly twice in a row, it will offer the option to 
move the book to the card.

Confirm with the pound key as prompted.

That has always worked for me.

Pauline



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From: K M Davis

Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 8:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] victor reader

How do you transfer a book from an SD card to the memory in a Victor
stream?  I am having a brain freeze!  LOL


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Re: [JAWS-Users] victor reader

[Beverly Hunter]

Press the number three twice, then press the pound key twice.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 24, 2018, at 8:13 PM, K M Davis  wrote:
> 
> How do you transfer a book from an SD card to the memory in a Victor stream?  
> I am having a brain freeze!  LOL
> 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft outlook 2010 desktop

[Kevin Lee]

Thank you!

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

From: Fernando Gregoire
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 5:01 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft outlook 2010 desktop

Hi Kevin,

From Outlook's main window, just press CTRL+3. To return to the Mail view, 
press CTRL+1.

Hope it helps!

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Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 9:54 PM
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Subject: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft outlook 2010 desktop

How do I get my address book and edit contacts?

E-mail is golden!!!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

[Fernando Gregoire]

Hi Matthew,

As other told you, JAWS keystroke to restart it in case of a crash in which 
JAWS processes are still loaded is JAWS+WINDOWS+F4.
However, I suspect that your problem may be related to the audio playback 
device.
You said that you connect a radio station or similar when JAWS speech feedback 
goes out, so I suggest to check in the Utilities menu of JAWS's window 
(INSERT+J, then ALT+U) which sound card is selected in the Sound Cards sub menu 
to route JAWS speech output.
As an example, I have an old micro-component which can be connected via USB to 
get computer audio there. The problem is that most recent drivers available are 
not fully compatible in Windows versions newer than XP and not supported at all 
on any 64-bit Windows version. Since I have to simulate a driver update from 
witting Device manager each time I connect the micro-component because generic 
USB Composite Device as installed by Windows doesn't work with it but even so 
the main audio controller appears to be working properly, I had to configure 
JAWS to always send speech output to the computer's built-in speakers 
regardless of the Windows default playback device set in Sounds Control Panel 
applet. If I don't configure JAWS in this way, I lost speech until I manage to 
simulate the driver update, configure JAWS to send the output to the computer's 
built-in speaker or unplug the micro-component.

Hope it helps!

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Of Matthew Chao
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 4:21 PM
To: JAWS-Users-List@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

Hi, Folks.  I'm one of those former Window-Eyes users who went kicking and 
screaming over to JAWS.  All that said, I only just yesterday started using 
JAWS for the first time.

Anyway, my question is:  Is there a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS if it 
and some other software don't play nice together?  I'm asking because I'm an 
amateur radio operator (ham) and use an interface with a radio that when 
plugged into my PC, takes all the sound away, including JAWS.  At that point, I 
need to restart JAWS, but see no keyboard shortcut to do this.  Thoughts?  
Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao


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[JAWS-Users] victor reader

[K M Davis]

How do you transfer a book from an SD card to the memory in a Victor 
stream?  I am having a brain freeze!  LOL



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft outlook 2010 desktop

[Fernando Gregoire]

Hi Kevin,

From Outlook's main window, just press CTRL+3. To return to the Mail view, 
press CTRL+1.

Hope it helps!

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Of Kevin Lee
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To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft outlook 2010 desktop

How do I get my address book and edit contacts?

E-mail is golden!!!
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[JAWS-Users] Microsoft outlook 2010 desktop

[Kevin Lee]

How do I get my address book and edit contacts?

E-mail is golden!!!
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

[Adrian Spratt]

Correction. Where I wrote "preferences," I meant "properties." As others have 
since explained, to create a shortcut for loading JAWS, place focus on the 
desktop icon for the JAWS version you're using, then press alt-enter to open 
properties, then tab two or three times. If you want your shortcut to be 
control-alt-8, for example, simply press 8 in the edit field of that dialog. 
Then tab to and press spacebar on the Okay button.

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Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 4:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

Hi, Matthew. The keystroke I use for this purpose is JAWS key-Windows key-F4, 
all three at the same time. You'll need to wait several seconds for JAWS to 
come up, but it almost invariably does. 
An alternative is to unload JAWS with the same combination minus the Windows 
key. In that case, you then need to reload JAWS in whichever way you're 
accustomed to, such as with a shortcut you created from the preferences dialog. 
If this needs further explanation, please post again.

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Of Matthew Chao
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:21 PM
To: JAWS-Users-List@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

Hi, Folks.  I'm one of those former Window-Eyes users who went kicking and 
screaming over to JAWS.  All that said, I only just yesterday started using 
JAWS for the first time.

Anyway, my question is:  Is there a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS if it 
and some other software don't play nice together?  I'm asking because I'm an 
amateur radio operator (ham) and use an interface with a radio that when 
plugged into my PC, takes all the sound away, including JAWS.  At that point, I 
need to restart JAWS, but see no keyboard shortcut to do this.  Thoughts?  
Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Accessible app for .dat files?

[Mike B.]

Hi Cher,

VLC is an excellent media player.  The link is below:

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/index.html

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: Cher Bosch
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Accessible app for .dat files?


Steve and JM- A friend sent the file as an Outlook atatchment and it is
supposed to be video(s). I only have Cyberlink Power Media Player 14 on my
'open with' list as well as plain Power Media Player. cyberlink was asking
me to sign up- so it has never been used. I did not install either program
for that matter- so therefore assumed they were defaults. I do not have any
of the apps you mentioned, Steve. I'll need to ask the friend who sent the
file some questions...

Cher

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Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Accessible app for .dat files?

You're right, there is no media player specifically bundled in Windows 10.

As I recall, when you set up Windows 10, you are given the choice of various
default programs.  Microsoft suggests the Groove music player, but you can
choose any other media player including Windows Media Player.

The .dat file is a data file, as J.M. suggests, and is intended to be opened
by the program that created it.  Many programs can open .dat files for their
own purposes; Windows stores .dat files in the Registry; CCleaner, Recuva,
Speccy are some system utilities that create .dat files; as do some
different games like Mindcraft, SimCity, etc.
WinMail, the native mail app in Windows 10 also creates .dat files and uses
them when a recipient's email doesn't support .rtf messages.
Finally, Video information on CD and DVD disks have .dat files.
Those are the main category associations, there are others that are created,
such as governmental forms generated through the Department of State that
I'm aware of.

Programs that open DAT files include:
  Windows File Viewer Plus
Microsoft Windows Mail
Microsoft Outlook 2016
Encryptomatic Message Viewer Lite
Traction WinMail Decoder Pro
Winmail.dat Reader




Steve
Lansing, Mi

- Original Message -
From: "JM Casey" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Accessible app for .dat files?


> Hm, I looked up Power media Player. It's made by Cyberlink but available
> in
> the Windows 10 app store. It's not bundled with Windows 10 by default. I
> certainly don't have it.
>
> Are you sure what you are trying to play is a media file? A .dat extension
> is just a generic extension for a data file. It's usually something used
> by
> a program and not generally something that user would get much from by
> opening on his own. What is it you are trying to do?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Cher Bosch
> Sent: February 24, 2018 11:26 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Accessible app for .dat files?
>
> Power Media Player seems to be the default app in Win10 and it appears
> totally inaccessible. Can't even read anything without the touch cursor.
> What are you all using? Thanks.
>
>
>
> Cher
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Internet Explorer And JAWS 2018 Downloads

[Cher Bosch]

I think so- at least part of the time. I'll keep your message for a while
and pay better attention. Was so annoyed I almost quit IE entirely.

Cher


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Behalf Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Internet Explorer And JAWS 2018 Downloads

Hi Cher,

I have noticed issues with maximizing the window if I am in IE 11 also.  For
me, it takes me to my default home page for IE 11.  Is that what happens to
you when you maximize?

I am running JAWS 18 and ZoomText 11 on Windows 7.

Pam



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Cher Bosch [oneagleswin...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:30 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Internet Explorer And JAWS 2018 Downloads

I can download with IE without the problems you mentioned, but if I maximize
the page it closes the program every time!

Cher



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Behalf Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 4:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Internet Explorer And JAWS 2018 Downloads

Yeah! and it's not new. I would suspect that VFO has shut the door on IE
support.

Andy

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From: "Adrian Spratt" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Internet Explorer And JAWS 2018 Downloads


>I have this experience on some, but not all, Webpages with IE11. I 
>don't associate it with downloading files. I reported it to VFO, but my 
>problem was treated dismissively. I hope you'll report it.
>
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> On Behalf Of HICKS, Steven (ROYAL CORNWALL HOSPITALS NHS TRUST)
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:15 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Internet Explorer And JAWS 2018 Downloads
>
> Hi all,
>
> When I click a link to download a file on the internet and go through 
> saving it, the focus doesn[t seem to go back to the web page where I 
> left off and I have to keep tabbing around to find my last place and 
> get back on to the web page, has anyone come across this before?
>
>
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Adrian,

I most definitely agree with you that the number of combinations we have to go 
through sometimes to get the results we need can be very frustrating, 
especially when it is necessary to get something done quickly.  As you brought 
up, I had forgotten the need to sometimes go back to prior versions of JAWS to 
get something done.  There is a website I need to go to weekly to fill out my 
timesheet, and it has a checkbox which needs to be checked that JAWS 18 does 
not seem to recognize.  I have to load JAWS 17 in order to be able to check 
this box.  Having to have all of these tools gets kind of crazy, but seems to 
be necessary these days.

Pam



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Adrian Spratt [adr...@adrianspratt.com]
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser

I agree that it's necessary to have all three browsers installed, but this 
increasing complexity is a little nuts. People are suggesting that we should 
also have the two screenreaders, JAWS and NVDA, on board, which I do. But that 
means we may need to try six combinations before we can access certain 
websites. Then there's the question of which version of JAWS will work.

To give an example, a certain website I use is accessible to IE11, but it moves 
painfully slowly after the log-in page. Chrome gets to this page right away, 
but later there's a critical page on this same website that Chrome can't even 
open.

For a while, I was trying to access this website with Firefox, but Firefox 
couldn't locate the edit fields for the username and password fields, and so 
obviously I couldn't log in. Then, on a whim, I switched from JAWS 2018 and 18, 
which I already need to alternate between, to JAWS 17. Lo and behold, the edit 
fields appeared. After that, Firefox and JAWS 17 seem to move seamlessly 
through the entire website.

This is a website that requires logging in to test, which is why I'm not 
posting the address.

The amount of time and distraction involved for screenreader users in working 
on the Web lately is getting ludicrous. Maybe VFO's efforts to work with MS on 
Edge will bring us back to a single universal browser. Until then, the lives of 
screenreader users are complicated. My ambition is to work as fast on a 
computer as fast as a non-techy sighted user, but all this 
browser/screenreader/version number switching is an obstacle to fast, 
distraction-free browsing. I can't imagine what it's like for a new 
screenreader user.

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Of Andy Baracco
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:23 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser

I use Chrome and IE 11 but have suspended using Firefox until accessibility 
issues are cleared up.

Andy

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From: "Judy Jones" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser


> Amen to all that, I also have NVDA, and it seems to get better and better.
>
> Judy
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 11:54 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser
>
> I couldn't agree more with having multiple browsers.  There are certain
> web
> pages that just don't work well with a certain browser, but will work much
> better with another.
>
> I have Firefox, Chrome and IE on my PC and use them all depending on the
> circumstance.  I also have NVDA in addition to JAWS, for the same reason.
>
> The more tools available, the better, in my opinion.
>
> Pam
>
>
> 
> From: JAWS-Users-List [jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] on behalf
> of
> JM Casey [crystallo...@ca.inter.net]
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:48 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser
>
> HI.
>
> My primary browser is Firefox and has been for the last few years. I also
> have Chrome on this machine and have used it a little. They both work
> well,
> but I'd still give the edge (hah) to Firefox. I think Chrome support has
> gotten really good in JAWS 2018, latest build. I do not have this. The
> Firefox interface is a little more like that of iE, so you would probably
> find that switch simpler. But really, there's no reason not to have both
> on
> your machine. Keep your options open.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Karen Schrade
> Sent: February 23, 2018 2:43 PM
> To: 

[JAWS-Users] quick excel query

[Michael Babcock]

hey Jaws Users:
I’m using Jaws 2018 at work, and we use an excel sheet that i use control+page 
up twice to get to the main sheet I call it.
Then I go to the top and find the box that I have to enter a six digit number 
to access the information I need to get. Pressing alt+down on this cell allows 
me to enter or paste the number and tap return.
Then, I am shown information that gives me a summery of information regarding 
pricing and notes for the center i’m helping a family with, however if i rout 
the jaws curser to the PC curser, then press control+right and then back by 
pressing control+left, then insert+8 twice quickly for a jaws left click, I can 
expand the data and access the detailed information.
The only way I figured this out is a colleague of mine told me that she would 
double-click on the road that the summary of the data I need was on whenever I 
asked her to expand the data.

The problem is I have to go through this process every Monday morning, as we 
get new data every Friday.

And I'll continue doing this, since it's working but if there's an easier way 
with the keystroke I can use, I'd love some feedback.

Thanks 

best
Michael
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Accessible app for .dat files?

[Cher Bosch]

Steve and JM- A friend sent the file as an Outlook atatchment and it is
supposed to be video(s). I only have Cyberlink Power Media Player 14 on my
'open with' list as well as plain Power Media Player. cyberlink was asking
me to sign up- so it has never been used. I did not install either program
for that matter- so therefore assumed they were defaults. I do not have any
of the apps you mentioned, Steve. I'll need to ask the friend who sent the
file some questions... 

Cher

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Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Accessible app for .dat files?

You're right, there is no media player specifically bundled in Windows 10.

As I recall, when you set up Windows 10, you are given the choice of various
default programs.  Microsoft suggests the Groove music player, but you can
choose any other media player including Windows Media Player.

The .dat file is a data file, as J.M. suggests, and is intended to be opened
by the program that created it.  Many programs can open .dat files for their
own purposes; Windows stores .dat files in the Registry; CCleaner, Recuva,
Speccy are some system utilities that create .dat files; as do some
different games like Mindcraft, SimCity, etc.
WinMail, the native mail app in Windows 10 also creates .dat files and uses
them when a recipient's email doesn't support .rtf messages.
Finally, Video information on CD and DVD disks have .dat files.
Those are the main category associations, there are others that are created,
such as governmental forms generated through the Department of State that
I'm aware of.

Programs that open DAT files include:
  Windows File Viewer Plus
Microsoft Windows Mail
Microsoft Outlook 2016
Encryptomatic Message Viewer Lite
Traction WinMail Decoder Pro
Winmail.dat Reader




Steve
Lansing, Mi

- Original Message -
From: "JM Casey" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Accessible app for .dat files?


> Hm, I looked up Power media Player. It's made by Cyberlink but available 
> in
> the Windows 10 app store. It's not bundled with Windows 10 by default. I
> certainly don't have it.
>
> Are you sure what you are trying to play is a media file? A .dat extension
> is just a generic extension for a data file. It's usually something used 
> by
> a program and not generally something that user would get much from by
> opening on his own. What is it you are trying to do?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Cher Bosch
> Sent: February 24, 2018 11:26 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Accessible app for .dat files?
>
> Power Media Player seems to be the default app in Win10 and it appears
> totally inaccessible. Can't even read anything without the touch cursor.
> What are you all using? Thanks.
>
>
>
> Cher
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

[Cristóbal]

I just go into the Jaws desktop properties icon and punch in a number in the
shortcut prompt (which is automatically added to the control+alt sequence)
and continue to tab  to the OK button.
I prefer to use the version number over the simple control+alt+J command
since I usually end up with more than one version of Jaws on my system
eventually. Control+alt+7 for JFW 17. Control+alt+8 for Jaws 18 and now for
version 2018, I just chose control+alt+2 and will likely go to control+alt+9
when Jaws 2019 comes out later this year. 
You just have to redo this shortcut after installing every Jaws update which
is easy enough.

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Matthew Chao
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 11:21 AM
To: JAWS-Users-List@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

Hi, Folks.  I'm one of those former Window-Eyes users who went kicking and
screaming over to JAWS.  All that said, I only just yesterday started using
JAWS for the first time.

Anyway, my question is:  Is there a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS if
it and some other software don't play nice together?  I'm asking because I'm
an amateur radio operator (ham) and use an interface with a radio that when
plugged into my PC, takes all the sound away, including JAWS.  At that
point, I need to restart JAWS, but see no keyboard shortcut to do this.
Thoughts?  Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

[Judy Jones]

Oh, thanks!  That one I didn't know.

Judy


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 1:48 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

Just a tip, guys. You can hit alt-enter on any file, including a desktop
shortcut, to see and edit its properties, instead of going through the
context menu. Doesn't save a lot of time or anything, but it's handy to know
these things. There sure are a lot of windows keyboard commands. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: February 24, 2018 4:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

Matt:

We typically use the shortcut command Alt Control J.

If you can find Jaws listed as a program on your desktop or in your start
menu, then hit the applications key, and use your arrow keys until you find
properties.  Hit enter on properties, and hopefully, you'll be at the
shortcut page.  By tabbing through the list of options, you'll find a place
to enter that shortcut key.  You may have to hit apply and ultimately ok,
but once the shortcut is saved, you then should be able to start Jaws with
that shortcut command if needed.

You can also set Jaws to start automatically when your computer boots, but
that may be going beyond what you are asking here.

Tom Behler



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Matthew Chao
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:21 PM
To: JAWS-Users-List@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

Hi, Folks.  I'm one of those former Window-Eyes users who went kicking and
screaming over to JAWS.  All that said, I only just yesterday started using
JAWS for the first time.

Anyway, my question is:  Is there a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS if
it and some other software don't play nice together?  I'm asking because I'm
an amateur radio operator (ham) and use an interface with a radio that when
plugged into my PC, takes all the sound away, including JAWS.  At that
point, I need to restart JAWS, but see no keyboard shortcut to do this.
Thoughts?  Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

[JM Casey]

Just a tip, guys. You can hit alt-enter on any file, including a desktop
shortcut, to see and edit its properties, instead of going through the
context menu. Doesn't save a lot of time or anything, but it's handy to know
these things. There sure are a lot of windows keyboard commands. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: February 24, 2018 4:44 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

Matt:

We typically use the shortcut command Alt Control J.

If you can find Jaws listed as a program on your desktop or in your start
menu, then hit the applications key, and use your arrow keys until you find
properties.  Hit enter on properties, and hopefully, you'll be at the
shortcut page.  By tabbing through the list of options, you'll find a place
to enter that shortcut key.  You may have to hit apply and ultimately ok,
but once the shortcut is saved, you then should be able to start Jaws with
that shortcut command if needed.

You can also set Jaws to start automatically when your computer boots, but
that may be going beyond what you are asking here.

Tom Behler



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Matthew Chao
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:21 PM
To: JAWS-Users-List@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

Hi, Folks.  I'm one of those former Window-Eyes users who went kicking and
screaming over to JAWS.  All that said, I only just yesterday started using
JAWS for the first time.

Anyway, my question is:  Is there a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS if
it and some other software don't play nice together?  I'm asking because I'm
an amateur radio operator (ham) and use an interface with a radio that when
plugged into my PC, takes all the sound away, including JAWS.  At that
point, I need to restart JAWS, but see no keyboard shortcut to do this.
Thoughts?  Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

[Rebecca Lineberger]

I forgot about this one. Sorry I probably stated the obvious in my previous
answer.  Smile.   

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 4:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

Hi, Matthew. The keystroke I use for this purpose is JAWS key-Windows
key-F4, all three at the same time. You'll need to wait several seconds for
JAWS to come up, but it almost invariably does. 
An alternative is to unload JAWS with the same combination minus the Windows
key. In that case, you then need to reload JAWS in whichever way you're
accustomed to, such as with a shortcut you created from the preferences
dialog. If this needs further explanation, please post again.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Matthew Chao
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:21 PM
To: JAWS-Users-List@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

Hi, Folks.  I'm one of those former Window-Eyes users who went kicking and
screaming over to JAWS.  All that said, I only just yesterday started using
JAWS for the first time.

Anyway, my question is:  Is there a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS if
it and some other software don't play nice together?  I'm asking because I'm
an amateur radio operator (ham) and use an interface with a radio that when
plugged into my PC, takes all the sound away, including JAWS.  At that
point, I need to restart JAWS, but see no keyboard shortcut to do this.
Thoughts?  Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

[Steve]

Matt and Dave,

Shut down with memory dump
Jawskey-Windows-F4

On my system, this will unload Jaws, and then restart it.

73's
Steve
- Original Message - 
From: "David Pearson" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS


I was wondering the same thing. It doesn't seem to be able to do that 
like windoweyes did.


At 01:21 PM 2/24/2018, Matthew Chao wrote:
Hi, Folks.  I'm one of those former Window-Eyes users who went 
kicking and screaming over to JAWS.  All that said, I only just 
yesterday started using JAWS for the first time.


Anyway, my question is:  Is there a keyboard shortcut for restarting 
JAWS if it and some other software don't play nice together?  I'm 
asking because I'm an amateur radio operator (ham) and use an 
interface with a radio that when plugged into my PC, takes all the 
sound away, including JAWS.  At that point, I need to restart JAWS, 
but see no keyboard shortcut to do this.  Thoughts?  Thanks in 
advance.--Matthew Chao



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

[Tom Behler]

Matt:

We typically use the shortcut command Alt Control J.

If you can find Jaws listed as a program on your desktop or in your start
menu, then hit the applications key, and use your arrow keys until you find
properties.  Hit enter on properties, and hopefully, you'll be at the
shortcut page.  By tabbing through the list of options, you'll find a place
to enter that shortcut key.  You may have to hit apply and ultimately ok,
but once the shortcut is saved, you then should be able to start Jaws with
that shortcut command if needed.

You can also set Jaws to start automatically when your computer boots, but
that may be going beyond what you are asking here.

Tom Behler



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Matthew Chao
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:21 PM
To: JAWS-Users-List@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

Hi, Folks.  I'm one of those former Window-Eyes users who went kicking and
screaming over to JAWS.  All that said, I only just yesterday started using
JAWS for the first time.

Anyway, my question is:  Is there a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS if
it and some other software don't play nice together?  I'm asking because I'm
an amateur radio operator (ham) and use an interface with a radio that when
plugged into my PC, takes all the sound away, including JAWS.  At that
point, I need to restart JAWS, but see no keyboard shortcut to do this.
Thoughts?  Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

[Rebecca Lineberger]

Hello Matthew,
You have to make a keyboard shortcut, since JAWS lets you have multiple
versions of the program, rather than installing over the previous version as
Window-Eyes did.
I use control-alt-j for the current version and control-alt-z for the older
one.  Just my choice.
To make a shortcut, do it the way you would for any other program.
Find the program shortcut on your desktop and press the context menu key.  
Arrow up to properties and press enter.
Tab until you hear shortcut key hotkey.
Press j, or whatever letter you want to use.  The control-alt goes in
automatically.
Tab to ok. And follow the prompts.
This will have to be done with every JAWS update.
HTH.
Rebecca

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Matthew Chao
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:21 PM
To: JAWS-Users-List@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

Hi, Folks.  I'm one of those former Window-Eyes users who went kicking and
screaming over to JAWS.  All that said, I only just yesterday started using
JAWS for the first time.

Anyway, my question is:  Is there a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS if
it and some other software don't play nice together?  I'm asking because I'm
an amateur radio operator (ham) and use an interface with a radio that when
plugged into my PC, takes all the sound away, including JAWS.  At that
point, I need to restart JAWS, but see no keyboard shortcut to do this.
Thoughts?  Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

[JM Casey]

You can create one yourself to start JAWS, from the desktop. But it sounds
like what you want is something a little different. When you create a
keyboard shortcut in this way, it starts jAWS, assuming it's currently
unloaded. But it sounds like what Matthew is describing is some kind of
crash where JAWS is still loaded but needs to be restarted. In that case, I
guess jAWS key + windows key + f4 will do the trick. The JAWS key will be
either numpad insert or caps lock, depending on whether you are using
desktop or laptop layout. This combination will literally re-start jAWS (so
it won't work if JAWS is not loaded).

If what you want is a desktop keyboard shortcut to load JAWS, go to the JAWS
icon located there (on the desktop). Hit alt-enter for its properties. Make
sure you are on the shortcut tab. Enter the key combination in the area you
tab to. Click ok. Click "continue as administrator" if necessary. And tha'ts
it. Note that every time there is a jAWS update, your keyboard shortcut will
disappear.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Pearson
Sent: February 24, 2018 4:23 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

I was wondering the same thing. It doesn't seem to be able to do that like
windoweyes did.

At 01:21 PM 2/24/2018, Matthew Chao wrote:
>Hi, Folks.  I'm one of those former Window-Eyes users who went kicking 
>and screaming over to JAWS.  All that said, I only just yesterday 
>started using JAWS for the first time.
>
>Anyway, my question is:  Is there a keyboard shortcut for restarting 
>JAWS if it and some other software don't play nice together?  I'm 
>asking because I'm an amateur radio operator (ham) and use an interface 
>with a radio that when plugged into my PC, takes all the sound away, 
>including JAWS.  At that point, I need to restart JAWS, but see no 
>keyboard shortcut to do this.  Thoughts?  Thanks in advance.--Matthew 
>Chao
>
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

[Adrian Spratt]

Hi, Matthew. The keystroke I use for this purpose is JAWS key-Windows key-F4, 
all three at the same time. You'll need to wait several seconds for JAWS to 
come up, but it almost invariably does. 
An alternative is to unload JAWS with the same combination minus the Windows 
key. In that case, you then need to reload JAWS in whichever way you're 
accustomed to, such as with a shortcut you created from the preferences dialog. 
If this needs further explanation, please post again.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Matthew Chao
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 2:21 PM
To: JAWS-Users-List@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

Hi, Folks.  I'm one of those former Window-Eyes users who went kicking and 
screaming over to JAWS.  All that said, I only just yesterday started using 
JAWS for the first time.

Anyway, my question is:  Is there a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS if it 
and some other software don't play nice together?  I'm asking because I'm an 
amateur radio operator (ham) and use an interface with a radio that when 
plugged into my PC, takes all the sound away, including JAWS.  At that point, I 
need to restart JAWS, but see no keyboard shortcut to do this.  Thoughts?  
Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

[David Pearson]

I was wondering the same thing. It doesn't seem to be able to do that 
like windoweyes did.


At 01:21 PM 2/24/2018, Matthew Chao wrote:
Hi, Folks.  I'm one of those former Window-Eyes users who went 
kicking and screaming over to JAWS.  All that said, I only just 
yesterday started using JAWS for the first time.


Anyway, my question is:  Is there a keyboard shortcut for restarting 
JAWS if it and some other software don't play nice together?  I'm 
asking because I'm an amateur radio operator (ham) and use an 
interface with a radio that when plugged into my PC, takes all the 
sound away, including JAWS.  At that point, I need to restart JAWS, 
but see no keyboard shortcut to do this.  Thoughts?  Thanks in 
advance.--Matthew Chao



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[JAWS-Users] Making a keyboard shortcut for restarting JAWS

[Matthew Chao]

Hi, Folks.  I'm one of those former Window-Eyes users who went kicking 
and screaming over to JAWS.  All that said, I only just yesterday 
started using JAWS for the first time.


Anyway, my question is:  Is there a keyboard shortcut for restarting 
JAWS if it and some other software don't play nice together?  I'm asking 
because I'm an amateur radio operator (ham) and use an interface with a 
radio that when plugged into my PC, takes all the sound away, including 
JAWS.  At that point, I need to restart JAWS, but see no keyboard 
shortcut to do this.  Thoughts?  Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao



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Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser

[JM Casey]

For sure, some of them are going to go the way of the dodo. We've already seen 
that with Window Eyes. I think the answer to the question with regards to JAWS  
though lies in the acronym...Job Access with Speech. I don't know how things 
are in Europe and other parts of the world, but in Canada and the uS, most 
corporate organisations, and governments, are going to invest in JAWS. They 
have a distrust of open-source software because they feel that, rather than 
having its code available being a potential benefit to all, it's a security 
risk. It's an ongoing debate. Of course when you download NVDA (and other 
open-source software, like, well, Mozilla Firefox I think), you should get it 
from a proper source, and not some random website or person. But I suppose a 
deep study of a program's code could potentially lead to someone finding a 
backdoor somewhere. The thing is, this happens with expensive, commercial 
software all the time, too, and I think it's even possible to decompile 
software, though such a thing is way beyond my technical knowledge.

Anyway, for now, JAWS still seems to have better support for MS Office, so that 
would probably also be something considered by the professional sectors.



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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Maria Campbell
Sent: February 24, 2018 3:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser

I'm wondering how VFO and other payed screen readers are planning to keep 
customers, considering the usability and no cost status of NVDA. I'm thinking 
younger people may choose  NVDA or the talking apps on their cell phones.  
Regarding us old folks, as has been stated here by multiple users, we are 
growing weary of having to constantly battle the changing inaccessibility of 
browsers, applications, programs, etc.  I, myself, am using my cell phone more 
and more.  I guess we shall see what the future will bring.


Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@gmail.com

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 2/24/2018 1:10 PM, Judy wrote:
> Mitch, I do agree, at age 64 now I simply don't have the patience 
> anymore for all this  back and forth. (smile) Judy & Libby
>
>   
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] 
> On Behalf Of Mitch
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:20 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser
>
> Hi,  Nicely summarized and I stipulate that the complexity of meshing 
> all of this digital dance into a smooth experience must be a daily 
> challenge but with the avalanche of wide ranging issues exposed in 
> just one week, it cannot be dismissed that playing Whack A Mole and 
> What's Behind Door # 3 is becoming a frustration inversely proportional to 
> the age of the operator.
> Mitch
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: JM Casey
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:53 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser
>
> I hear you; sometimes I definitely feel the same. The fact that, 
> between, for example, VFO and Microsoft, half the time when there's 
> some kind of update you are crossing your fingers hoping something 
> won't be broken afterwards, is pretty maddening.
>
> The reply above yours from David there says "voiceover on the mac". At 
> first I kind of scoffed at that. I'm not a mac user and probably never will 
> be.
> But here's the thing. As PC users, I think we are given a variety of 
> options and tools, and that's one of the great things about being a PC 
> users. I used to access the web through Telnet and a linux shell. The 
> only browser that would work was lynx and it couldn't display framed 
> webpages properly. It was a really frustrating experience back then, 
> for sure. Then, finally, we had Internet Explorer and netscape. Then, 
> internet Explorer, Firefox, and Chrome. I think the idea of the web 
> being an entirely universal experience is a nice dream, but still a 
> dream. All you can do is try to make it as close to a universal 
> experience as you can. That's actually harder and harder now with the 
> number of connected devices out there. Often, it's Microsoft that 
> won't play along. I think we'll probably see more and more people 
> using Chrome, and that's probably a good thing. Just today I had to 
> get it up and running again and it was nice to be reminded how fast 
> and robust it really is. Are things complex? Yeah, definitely. But 
> these browsers aren't so different from one another that we can't 
> adapt. We just have to know what tool is appropriate for each job. If 
> you're a carpenter, you probably won't get very far with just a single 
> saw in your arsenal, you know? And rest assured, even though 
> screen-readers do add a certain amount of complexity to things, 
> sighted 

Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser

[Maria Campbell]

I'm wondering how VFO and other payed screen readers are planning to 
keep customers, considering the usability and no cost status of NVDA.  
I'm thinking younger people may choose  NVDA or the talking apps on 
their cell phones.  Regarding us old folks, as has been stated here by 
multiple users, we are growing weary of having to constantly battle the 
changing inaccessibility of browsers, applications, programs, etc.  I, 
myself, am using my cell phone more and more.  I guess we shall see what 
the future will bring.



Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@gmail.com

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 2/24/2018 1:10 PM, Judy wrote:

Mitch, I do agree, at age 64 now I simply don't have the patience anymore
for all this  back and forth. (smile) Judy & Libby

  


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mitch
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser

Hi,  Nicely summarized and I stipulate that the complexity of meshing all of
this digital dance into a smooth experience must be a daily challenge but
with the avalanche of wide ranging issues exposed in just one week, it
cannot be dismissed that playing Whack A Mole and What's Behind Door # 3 is
becoming a frustration inversely proportional to the age of the operator.
Mitch

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:53 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser

I hear you; sometimes I definitely feel the same. The fact that, between,
for example, VFO and Microsoft, half the time when there's some kind of
update you are crossing your fingers hoping something won't be broken
afterwards, is pretty maddening.

The reply above yours from David there says "voiceover on the mac". At first
I kind of scoffed at that. I'm not a mac user and probably never will be.
But here's the thing. As PC users, I think we are given a variety of options
and tools, and that's one of the great things about being a PC users. I used
to access the web through Telnet and a linux shell. The only browser that
would work was lynx and it couldn't display framed webpages properly. It was
a really frustrating experience back then, for sure. Then, finally, we had
Internet Explorer and netscape. Then, internet Explorer, Firefox, and
Chrome. I think the idea of the web being an entirely universal experience
is a nice dream, but still a dream. All you can do is try to make it as
close to a universal experience as you can. That's actually harder and
harder now with the number of connected devices out there. Often, it's
Microsoft that won't play along. I think we'll probably see more and more
people using Chrome, and that's probably a good thing. Just today I had to
get it up and running again and it was nice to be reminded how fast and
robust it really is. Are things complex? Yeah, definitely. But these
browsers aren't so different from one another that we can't adapt. We just
have to know what tool is appropriate for each job. If you're a carpenter,
you probably won't get very far with just a single saw in your arsenal, you
know? And rest assured, even though screen-readers do add a certain amount
of complexity to things, sighted people have to deal with this too. Let's be
glad we aren't system administrators (although maybe you are? I don't
know)that opens a whole new can o' worms, when you've got a network of
computers, all running different software and hardware, and your company
expects you to get them all to play nice with each other.

Now maybe it's just because I have more time on my hands this year than I
used to, but 90% of the time, I enjoy the challenge and adding new tools to
the arsenal, so to speak. The only thing  that's really making me nervous
sometimes is Windows 10 updating and screwing around with my settings and
things. *grins*



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: February 23, 2018 5:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser

I agree that it's necessary to have all three browsers installed, but this
increasing complexity is a little nuts. People are suggesting that we should
also have the two screenreaders, JAWS and NVDA, on board, which I do. But
that means we may need to try six combinations before we can access certain
websites. Then there's the question of which version of JAWS will work.

To give an example, a certain website I use is accessible to IE11, but it
moves painfully slowly after the log-in page. Chrome gets to this page right
away, but later there's a critical page on this same website that Chrome
can't even open.

For a while, I was trying to access this website with Firefox, but Firefox
couldn't locate the edit fields 

[JAWS-Users] thanks

[Karen Schrade]

Thanks to everyone who offered opinions on web browsers. Guess I'll be doing
a lot of downloading, including nvda,  tomorrow. karen


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Accessible app for .dat files?

[Steve]

You're right, there is no media player specifically bundled in Windows 10.

As I recall, when you set up Windows 10, you are given the choice of various 
default programs.  Microsoft suggests the Groove music player, but you can 
choose any other media player including Windows Media Player.


The .dat file is a data file, as J.M. suggests, and is intended to be opened 
by the program that created it.  Many programs can open .dat files for their 
own purposes; Windows stores .dat files in the Registry; CCleaner, Recuva, 
Speccy are some system utilities that create .dat files; as do some 
different games like Mindcraft, SimCity, etc.
WinMail, the native mail app in Windows 10 also creates .dat files and uses 
them when a recipient's email doesn't support .rtf messages.

Finally, Video information on CD and DVD disks have .dat files.
Those are the main category associations, there are others that are created, 
such as governmental forms generated through the Department of State that 
I'm aware of.


Programs that open DAT files include:
 Windows File Viewer Plus
   Microsoft Windows Mail
   Microsoft Outlook 2016
   Encryptomatic Message Viewer Lite
   Traction WinMail Decoder Pro
   Winmail.dat Reader




Steve
Lansing, Mi

- Original Message - 
From: "JM Casey" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Accessible app for .dat files?


Hm, I looked up Power media Player. It's made by Cyberlink but available 
in

the Windows 10 app store. It's not bundled with Windows 10 by default. I
certainly don't have it.

Are you sure what you are trying to play is a media file? A .dat extension
is just a generic extension for a data file. It's usually something used 
by

a program and not generally something that user would get much from by
opening on his own. What is it you are trying to do?



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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Cher Bosch
Sent: February 24, 2018 11:26 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Accessible app for .dat files?

Power Media Player seems to be the default app in Win10 and it appears
totally inaccessible. Can't even read anything without the touch cursor.
What are you all using? Thanks.



Cher

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Baseball season is here

[jimrawls]

David, it isn't showing any baseball Spring training games. jim

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Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:25 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Baseball season is here

Hi Marie and all!
I use
www.freebaseballradio.com
To listen to all baseball games.
You just enter on the team, then a list of radio stations come up for that 
team. Try every station by entering on it until you find one that plays the 
game.
You can look up the other team in the game, and find the game on a radio 
station for the other team.
It is the same with football:
www.freefootballradio.com
Basketball:
www.freebasketballradio.com
and so on.
I always find a radio station on these web sites to listen to a game on. 
Sometimes, you might have to try entering on five or more stations before you 
find one that plays the game, but I have never missed a game. If it is on the 
radio, you will find a station playing the game on these web sites.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 1:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Baseball season is here

If anyone knows how to access the games on the mlb.com site, please pass 
on the info.  Thanks.


-- 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser

[Judy]

Mitch, I do agree, at age 64 now I simply don't have the patience anymore
for all this  back and forth. (smile) Judy & Libby

 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mitch 
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser

Hi,  Nicely summarized and I stipulate that the complexity of meshing all of
this digital dance into a smooth experience must be a daily challenge but
with the avalanche of wide ranging issues exposed in just one week, it
cannot be dismissed that playing Whack A Mole and What's Behind Door # 3 is
becoming a frustration inversely proportional to the age of the operator.
Mitch

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:53 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser

I hear you; sometimes I definitely feel the same. The fact that, between,
for example, VFO and Microsoft, half the time when there's some kind of
update you are crossing your fingers hoping something won't be broken
afterwards, is pretty maddening.

The reply above yours from David there says "voiceover on the mac". At first
I kind of scoffed at that. I'm not a mac user and probably never will be.
But here's the thing. As PC users, I think we are given a variety of options
and tools, and that's one of the great things about being a PC users. I used
to access the web through Telnet and a linux shell. The only browser that
would work was lynx and it couldn't display framed webpages properly. It was
a really frustrating experience back then, for sure. Then, finally, we had
Internet Explorer and netscape. Then, internet Explorer, Firefox, and
Chrome. I think the idea of the web being an entirely universal experience
is a nice dream, but still a dream. All you can do is try to make it as
close to a universal experience as you can. That's actually harder and
harder now with the number of connected devices out there. Often, it's
Microsoft that won't play along. I think we'll probably see more and more
people using Chrome, and that's probably a good thing. Just today I had to
get it up and running again and it was nice to be reminded how fast and
robust it really is. Are things complex? Yeah, definitely. But these
browsers aren't so different from one another that we can't adapt. We just
have to know what tool is appropriate for each job. If you're a carpenter,
you probably won't get very far with just a single saw in your arsenal, you
know? And rest assured, even though screen-readers do add a certain amount
of complexity to things, sighted people have to deal with this too. Let's be
glad we aren't system administrators (although maybe you are? I don't
know)that opens a whole new can o' worms, when you've got a network of
computers, all running different software and hardware, and your company
expects you to get them all to play nice with each other. 

Now maybe it's just because I have more time on my hands this year than I
used to, but 90% of the time, I enjoy the challenge and adding new tools to
the arsenal, so to speak. The only thing  that's really making me nervous
sometimes is Windows 10 updating and screwing around with my settings and
things. *grins*



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: February 23, 2018 5:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser

I agree that it's necessary to have all three browsers installed, but this
increasing complexity is a little nuts. People are suggesting that we should
also have the two screenreaders, JAWS and NVDA, on board, which I do. But
that means we may need to try six combinations before we can access certain
websites. Then there's the question of which version of JAWS will work. 

To give an example, a certain website I use is accessible to IE11, but it
moves painfully slowly after the log-in page. Chrome gets to this page right
away, but later there's a critical page on this same website that Chrome
can't even open. 

For a while, I was trying to access this website with Firefox, but Firefox
couldn't locate the edit fields for the username and password fields, and so
obviously I couldn't log in. Then, on a whim, I switched from JAWS 2018 and
18, which I already need to alternate between, to JAWS 17. Lo and behold,
the edit fields appeared. After that, Firefox and JAWS 17 seem to move
seamlessly through the entire website. 

This is a website that requires logging in to test, which is why I'm not
posting the address. 

The amount of time and distraction involved for screenreader users in
working on the Web lately is getting ludicrous. Maybe VFO's efforts to work
with MS on Edge will bring us back to a single universal browser. Until
then, the lives of screenreader users are 

Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser

[JM Casey]

Alt-b is the quickest way to access your bookmarks. You can add bookmarks
from there, or subscribe to feeds. Somewhat less conveniently, you can not
edit bookmarks from here. To do that, use ctrl-I, as you would in IE. A tree
view will open that will give more control over your bookmarks. It's a
toggle, so ctrl-I again will close it.



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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Brian Zolo
Sent: February 23, 2018 7:19 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser

Good evening, I'm brian Zolo here from Gahanna, Ohio.  I'm having a senior
moment as I'm just really getting into using firefox as I've been an
internet explorer user for years but since internet explorer is going away
and more sites are not supporting it, I've decided to switch.  What's the
keystroke to access your bookmarks?  Thanks so much, have a great weekend!
.  

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:48 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser

HI.

My primary browser is Firefox and has been for the last few years. I also
have Chrome on this machine and have used it a little. They both work well,
but I'd still give the edge (hah) to Firefox. I think Chrome support has
gotten really good in JAWS 2018, latest build. I do not have this. The
Firefox interface is a little more like that of iE, so you would probably
find that switch simpler. But really, there's no reason not to have both on
your machine. Keep your options open. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Karen Schrade
Sent: February 23, 2018 2:43 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] migrating to a different web browser

I suspect this may be a lot of personal preference but, if I want to switch
from IE11 to another browser...
Of Chrome and Firefox, which works better with jaws? Then, which has a
smaller learning curve. I'm almost 70 and don't really want to change but,
some websites I frequent are making it necessary. ARGH! Thanks, Karen 


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Latest Jaws and IE 11

[Steve]

You have to find the Firefox ESWR which is there Extended Release version 
intended for business deployment, which doesn't get the constant updates the 
regular version gets.


You can find info about it here
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/switch-to-firefox-extended-support-release-esr

Be advised, that if you have installed a higher version than 52, you will 
want to manually save your bookmarks, home pages and history if you use the 
same profile to install the ESWR version; or you would need to create a new 
profile.


Steve

- Original Message - 
From: "wayne smith" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Latest Jaws and IE 11


I just went to FF and looked at the update they are offering. It is 56. 
something and I did not see a 52 option so can you tell me where to look 
for it?


Wayne

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of JM Casey

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Latest Jaws and IE 11

It doesn't sound like everybody is reporting this IE issue.

Still, it makes sense to accustom oneself to moving away from IE. I know 
it has some decent features, but it's increasingly ineffective and 
unusable on some websites. I don't know when security updates for it will 
stop .. probably not til 2020 as that's when Windows 7 support ends ... 
but still.


Firefox 52 ESR is currently the thing to get if you are wanting to use FF 
and JAWS. It works without any issues. There has been some difficulty in 
adapting JAWS to Firefox Quantum, but they are working on it. You could 
also use NVDA. Really, nowadays it makes sense to have both screen-readers 
on your machine.




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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Maria Campbell

Sent: February 22, 2018 6:34 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Latest Jaws and IE 11

So, if JAWS is working crappily in FireFox and now Internet Explorer as 
well, ...?



Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@gmail.com

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 2/22/2018 5:46 PM, Maria Campbell wrote:

Yes sir, my Internet Explorer is crashing like crazy now as well.  Great!


Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@gmail.com

"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 2/22/2018 4:43 PM, T. Civitello wrote:

I installed the latest Jaws bill on my Windows 7 PC this morning. I
tried two Web sites that I was able to work with yesterday; Amazon
and Comcast.net. Today I can’t do a thing with them If they do read
there is a 10 to 15 second delay between lines and a good part of the
time I have to tab away and back to the Web to get Jaws talking
again. What did FS do?  Tom For answers to frequently asked questions
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Accessible app for .dat files?

[JM Casey]

Hm, I looked up Power media Player. It's made by Cyberlink but available in
the Windows 10 app store. It's not bundled with Windows 10 by default. I
certainly don't have it.

Are you sure what you are trying to play is a media file? A .dat extension
is just a generic extension for a data file. It's usually something used by
a program and not generally something that user would get much from by
opening on his own. What is it you are trying to do?



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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Cher Bosch
Sent: February 24, 2018 11:26 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Accessible app for .dat files?

Power Media Player seems to be the default app in Win10 and it appears
totally inaccessible. Can't even read anything without the touch cursor.
What are you all using? Thanks.

 

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[JAWS-Users] Accessible app for .dat files?

[Cher Bosch]

Power Media Player seems to be the default app in Win10 and it appears
totally inaccessible. Can't even read anything without the touch cursor.
What are you all using? Thanks.

 

Cher

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and the Powerpoint accessibility checker

[Mike B.]

Howdy Wayne,

Here you go:

http://assistivetechnologyblog.com/2018/02/microsoft-accessibility-windows10-office365.html

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

- Original Message - 
From: wayne smith
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and the Powerpoint accessibility checker


Sounds good but where is the link to the list?

Wayne

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Roger Newell
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and the Powerpoint accessibility checker

I believe it was actually introduced in 2007 or 2010.

On a side note, Microsoft just published a complete list of accessibility
features in all of their products, and the list is enormous. It's definitely
worth checking out.

On 2/23/18, JM Casey  wrote:
> Huh. I thought the checker had only been introduced in office 2016.
> Learn something new
>
> You have to press f6 to get to the pane where the results are shown. I
> used to use it at my old job but now I'm on Office 2010 at home so
> can't check to verify anything else. But that should help.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com]
> On Behalf Of Ritz, Courtney L. (GSFC-7200)
> Sent: February 22, 2018 12:14 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and the Powerpoint accessibility checker
>
> Hi,
>
> Apologies if this has been asked before, I'm in a bit of a time-crunch.
>
> I'm running Windows 7 and JAWS version 17.0.2729.
> In Office 2013, I opened a Powerpoint file, and ran the accessibility
> check on it.  Sadly, I can't figure out how to read the actual results
> of the check.  Anyone know how to do it with JAWS?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Courtney
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