RE: looking for a sound editing program

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Are you looking for a freeware/shareware solution? The one I use is a paid
for program.
And BTW, cute tagline.

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> Wiley via Jfw
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 4:44 AM
> To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
> Cc: Bobb Wiley
> Subject: looking for a sound editing program
> 
> Hi gang.
> 
> I recently upgraded from jaws13 to jaws16, with an option to go to
> jaws17 sometime in the future.
> 
> I was using the jaws scripts for  the goldwave sound editor. However,
> it appears that jaws has dropped support for this fine program.
> I am familiar with audacity, but would like to find another sound
> editing program that will work with jaws. Does anyone know of another
> accessible alternative?
> 
> Thanks.
> Bob
> 
> 
> One out of 10 people understand binary: those who do, and those who
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RE: language question

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Zjeanne might work.

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> Hamilton via Jfw
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 2:35 PM
> To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
> Cc: Jim Hamilton
> Subject: RE: language question
> 
> I too know someone by the name, Jeanne.  It is almost impossible to get
> the "soft" J sound.  The closest that I have been able to come, with
> her name, is "jian".  The sound is correct, except for the slightly
> harder "J" sound.  At least, I recognize her name, and it's much better
> than "Jeannie", or "Janine".
> Give it a try.
> 
> Jim H
> 
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> Arnold via Jfw
> Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2015 3:17 PM
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> Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
> Subject: RE: language question
> 
> I suggested Zjawn, but that Jeanne is pronounced like Jee Ann by JAWS.
> I have a French Canadian friend, Jeanne, who will tell you that her
> name is pronounced Zjawn.
> 
> Best from,
> 
> Carolyn
> 
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> Massey via Jfw
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> Cc: Nicole Massey <ny...@gypsyheir.com>
> Subject: RE: language question
> 
> I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's
> going to have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks about
> Jean Stapleton or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of any blue
> jean pants or skirts.
> 
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> > Streeter via Jfw
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:54 PM
> > To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
> > Cc: Sandra Streeter
> > Subject: language question
> >
> > Hi, all:
> >
> > Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as
> in
> > "Jean Valjean"? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that name
> > in the dictionary manager program, but couldn't get it to pronounce
> it
> > as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > Sandra
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RE: language question

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

The soft French J sound, the one they use with the d in front of it, can
often be simulated with a zj, as it's got a lot of the soft z sound to the
beginning of it, a z sound they don't use much, instead preferring the hard
Z of zed.

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> From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
> Spratt via Jfw
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 5:01 PM
> To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
> Cc: Adrian Spratt
> Subject: RE: language question
> 
> Nice. This is the first one that works for my synthesizer. I'd only
> suggest that you remove the first 'e" to get the right French vowel:
> 
> Zjanne
> 
> I'm adding it to my JAWS dictionary.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nicole
> Massey via Jfw
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 5:22 PM
> To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
> Cc: Nicole Massey
> Subject: RE: language question
> 
> Zjeanne might work.
> 
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> > From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > Hamilton via Jfw
> > Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 2:35 PM
> > To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
> > Cc: Jim Hamilton
> > Subject: RE: language question
> >
> > I too know someone by the name, Jeanne.  It is almost impossible to
> > get the "soft" J sound.  The closest that I have been able to come,
> > with her name, is "jian".  The sound is correct, except for the
> > slightly harder "J" sound.  At least, I recognize her name, and it's
> > much better than "Jeannie", or "Janine".
> > Give it a try.
> >
> > Jim H
> >
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> > Arnold via Jfw
> > Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2015 3:17 PM
> > To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' <jfw@lists.the-jdh.com>
> > Cc: Carolyn Arnold <4carol...@windstream.net>
> > Subject: RE: language question
> >
> > I suggested Zjawn, but that Jeanne is pronounced like Jee Ann by
> JAWS.
> > I have a French Canadian friend, Jeanne, who will tell you that her
> > name is pronounced Zjawn.
> >
> > Best from,
> >
> > Carolyn
> >
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> > Massey via Jfw
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 10:03 PM
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> > Cc: Nicole Massey <ny...@gypsyheir.com>
> > Subject: RE: language question
> >
> > I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's
> > going to have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks
> > about Jean Stapleton or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of
> > any blue jean pants or skirts.
> >
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> Sandra
> > > Streeter via Jfw
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:54 PM
> > > To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
> > > Cc: Sandra Streeter
> > > Subject: language question
> > >
> > > Hi, all:
> > >
> > > Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as
> > in
> > > "Jean Valjean"? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that
> > > name in the dictionary manager program, but couldn't get it to
> > > pronounce
> > it
> > > as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated!
> Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sandra
> > > "To love another person is to se the face of God."
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RE: language question

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

I'd probably tell it to pronounce it as zhahn or zhauhn. Thought it's going to 
have difficulty in differentiating it from when it talks about Jean Stapleton 
or the actress Jean Simmons, not to mention of any blue jean pants or skirts.

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> Streeter via Jfw
> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:54 PM
> To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
> Cc: Sandra Streeter
> Subject: language question
> 
> Hi, all:
> 
> Is there a way to get JAWS to replicate the French soft J sound, as in
> “Jean Valjean”? I was trying to change its pronunciation of that name
> in the dictionary manager program, but couldn’t get it to pronounce it
> as I knew it should be pronounced. Any pointers, appreciated! Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> Sandra
> “To love another person is to se the face of God.”
> (Les Miserables--the musical)
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RE: learning to do scripting

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

I still use batch files, because they make it easy to do things you'd want
to do from a command line but editing it so you can control the output, and
also using Jaws  to make sure you're not typing or fat fingering something.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle,
 Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 10:41 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 Subject: RE: learning to do scripting
 
 I never got any further than batch files, something we don't use much
 these days.
 
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 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mcginnis,
 Barbara via Jfw
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 11:01 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Mcginnis, Barbara
 Subject: RE: learning to do scripting
 
 I took scripting at St. Petersburg at Freedom-Scientific.  Now, this
 was ten years ago.  I am sighted and I was lost.  I am not a programmer
 at heart and that is what scripting is--programming.  If I was writing
 a script/program to fry an egg, I would forget that I needed to open a
 drawer to find the flapjack flipper to turn the egg.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw [mailto:jfw@lists.the-jdh.com]
 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 7:53 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) ted.li...@ky.gov
 Subject: RE: learning to do scripting
 
 I haven't looked lately, but I think a manual was once part of the JAWS
 package, and I know one exists.
 
 Ted
 
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 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Eye
 Ball via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:04 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Mr. Eye Ball
 Subject: RE: learning to do scripting
 
 Jean
 I have ask the same thing many times, I never really got a anser!
 You can find the resources you are looking for on the FS homepage!
 
 
 
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 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 8:27 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Jean Menzies
 Subject: learning to do scripting
 
 Just wondering how one learns to do scripting? If you can't see the
 screen to begin with, how do you know what to code? Scripting interests
 me, but I don't know how to get started. Are there any resources that
 teach this from the beginning from a blind point of view?
 
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RE: Just curious -- what happened to Windows 9?

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

So was Vista.
Here's what I've found out using a simple web search.
There are a few possible reasons why they didn't go with Windows 9 as the
name. One possible reason is that 9 is considered bad luck in Japan. Another
suggested reason is that there is some legacy code that looks for Windows 9
to find out the version, and these old programs or anything that uses that
old code will think it's a Windows 95/98 version. Microsoft's reason is that
it's that big of a change in paradigm that they went to the more auspicious
10. Some folks also think it might be that they're planning on sticking with
the version name for a while, like Apple did with OSX, so they'll stick
around using different versions of Windows 10 for a while. The reality is
that it's Windows 6.4, based on the Vista 6x version, so they could call it
Windows 1,549,683 and it would have as much meaning as anything else. It's
just a marketing name. Of course, with the exception of the 4.x iteration
for Windows NT 4.0, even numbered versions of windows haven't been that
wonderful. (Remember, Vista starts with VI, the Roman numeral for 6) So they
could be shooting themselves in the foot by jumping to another even number.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ward
 Dudley via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 6:08 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Ward Dudley
 Subject: Re: Just curious -- what happened to Windows 9?
 
 8 was almost as bad as ME
 
 On 7/23/2015 3:01 PM, Maria Campbell via Jfw wrote:
  Windows 8 happened to Windows 9.  It was so bad MS decided to skip 9
  altogether.
 
 
  On 7/23/2015 3:29 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I'm still on Windows 7. I hear a lot of talk about Windows 8.1 and
  Windows 10. Was Windows 9 a bust or something?
 
  Thanks, Keith
 
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RE: Broadcasting advice with JAWS

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

I would suggest that you contact broadcasters locally and find out what they
use. Get a feel for what's the industry standard and focus on getting
facility with that set of tools. Some may have accessibility issues, so
you'll need to work with the department in your school to get those issues
resolved if at all possible.
You can find a lot more help regarding audio issues on the MIDI-mag list.
And you might also want to talk to folks at a local IAAIS (International
Association of Audio Information Services) station if you have one. These
are the folks that produce programs for blind listeners, and they're both
familiar with supporting blind folks and also familiar with broadcast
issues.

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 McDonald via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 8:37 AM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Richard B McDonald
 Subject: RE: Broadcasting advice with JAWS
 
 Hi!
 
 You should look at Audacity.  It is a powerful audio editor and it is
 free.  Out of the box, it is accessible.  Plus, there are JAWS scripts
 for it that make it even more accessible.  A link to its website
 follows:
 
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/audacity/
 
 HTH,
 Richard
 
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 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 6:29 PM
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 Cc: Ariel
 Subject: Broadcasting advice with JAWS
 
 Greetings,
 My name is Ariel. I am thinking about going back to college. I would
 like to study broadcasting. However, I do not have any experiences in
 this field.
 Thus, I am interested in taking some lessons on the side before I go
 straight to college. Also, I am setting out to learn how to use JAWS
 with audio editing software. In a way, this will be aiming to get
 myself familiar with the accessibility of audio editing software.
 Any advice would be greatly appreciate it. I know there are seminars
 for Office and the like, but is there something focused on audio
 production?
 Thank you,
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RE: Broadcasting advice with JAWS

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

While I'm thinking about it, do you happen to know if Wire Ready is
accessible? I know it's used a lot for the audio information services
community, but I haven't had a chance to try it out.

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 Mote via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:30 AM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Michael Mote
 Subject: RE: Broadcasting advice with JAWS
 
 As a communications major, I will say that you need to have experience
 using several audio editing software.  Some of the most common that are
 used in a professional setting include, Sound Forge and Adobe Audition.
 I'm not sure how accessible these are now.  They used to work fairly
 well with JAWS.  I haven't used later versions of these programs in
 quite awhile.  Audasity is free as others have pointed out here on the
 list.  If they will let you use this one for editing projects, go for
 it.  You should be familiar with the others, as they are the standard
 ones used in the industry.
 
 
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 Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 9:09 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Mario
 Subject: Re: Broadcasting advice with JAWS
 
 Audacity For The Blind: Jaws V2.0 scripts released - VIP Audio Access
 http://vipaudioaccess.com/audacity-for-the-blind-jaws-v2-0-scripts-
 released/
 
 
 On 5/28/2015 9:37 AM, Richard B McDonald via Jfw wrote:
  Hi!
 
  You should look at Audacity.  It is a powerful audio editor and it
  is free.  Out of the box, it is accessible.  Plus, there are JAWS
  scripts for it that make it even more accessible.  A link to its
  website
 follows:
 
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/audacity/
 
  HTH,
  Richard
 
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  via Jfw
  Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 6:29 PM
  To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
  Cc: Ariel
  Subject: Broadcasting advice with JAWS
 
  Greetings,
  My name is Ariel. I am thinking about going back to college. I would
  like to study broadcasting. However, I do not have any experiences in
  this
 field.
  Thus, I am interested in taking some lessons on the side before I go
  straight to college. Also, I am setting out to learn how to use JAWS
  with audio editing software. In a way, this will be aiming to get
  myself familiar with the accessibility of audio editing software.
  Any advice would be greatly appreciate it. I know there are seminars
  for Office and the like, but is there something focused on audio
 production?
  Thank you,
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RE: Computer games.

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Yeah, I'd love an audio version of Mille Bornes. A blind accessible version
of the standard deck solitaire game Calculation would also be nice.

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 Mote via Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 9:24 AM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Michael Mote
 Subject: RE: Computer games.
 
 I would be interested to know if there are any card games that are
 accessible using the iPhone or iPod.  Things like Uno, Skipbo, etc?
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 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 4:54 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Paul Lemm
 Subject: RE: Computer games.
 
 Hi James,
 
 I've only got Windows 7  which it works fine with , but I'm not sure if
 the games will work with windows 8 or not. I  am on the Audysey  audio
 games mailing list so I will ask there and post back to you once I hear
 if the games will work on windows 8 or not
 
 Regards
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of James
 Malone via Jfw
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:00 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: James Malone
 Subject: RE: Computer games.
 
 Hi Paul, does the games work with windows 8.1? I went to the site, but
 there was no mention.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Paul Lemm
 via Jfw
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 10:52 AM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Paul Lemm
 Subject: RE: Computer games.
 
 Hi Keith ,
 
 Not sure about the games in the link I sent yesterday, but there are
 many multi player games  that one or more people can play on the same
 computer.
 One good website is  for Jim Kitchens audio games, it contains games
 such as monopoly, game of life  and many more that are multi player and
 also some really good fun single player games such  as golf, driving
 games and many more.  All games are again free on his site ,  although
 all of jim kitchen's games don't actually require jaws as they are all
 self-voicing using the PC's built in voice  called SAPPI 5.  Below is
 the link to his games  .
 
 http://kitchensinc.jgriffith.com/ttsgames/ttsgames.htm
 
 regards
 
 Paul Lemm
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
 Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw
 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:32 AM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
 Subject: RE: Computer games.
 
 I understand these are all single computer games, but are they all
 single player games? Are any of them playable by more than 1 player
 using the same computer? Thanks, Keith
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Paul Lemm
 via Jfw
 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 4:45 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Paul Lemm
 Subject: RE: Computer games.
 
 Hi Carolyne ,
 
 I play a lot of audio games on my PC and iPhone , everything from card
 games, to golf to more complex   games all really fun and totally
 accessible
 using either jaws or my phones screen reader , would definitely
 recommend trying a couple of audio games for yourself .
 
 As for the spoonville  games, I took a look at their website and they
 have a section for blind games which will all either work with jaws or
 be self-voicing and use the built in computer  voice, also all the
 blind games on the site are free too. in fact after taking a look at
 their website I realised  I have one of their games already  .
 
 Below is the direct link to the blind games part of the spoonville
 website
 
 http://www.omninet.net.au/~irhumph/blindgamers.htm
 
 Paul Lemm
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
 Arnold via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 5:54 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Carolyn Arnold
 Subject: Re: Computer games.
 
 Thank you. I haven't played games on the computer, think I might enjoy
 it and will save your link. This was what I found on Google, but you
 may have
 too:
 
 https://www.zonebbs.com/boards.php?t=20392
 
 GIFT (God is forever true),
 
 Carolyn
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Paul Lemm via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Paul Lemm paul.l...@sky.com
 Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 11:00 AM
 Subject: RE: Computer games.
 
 
  Hi,
 
  I play lots of  audio computer games, I'm not sure which web site you
  mean as I googled it and couldn't find it. Below is a link to a
  website that lists most audio computer games so they should all work
  with jaws and if not they just use the windows built in voice (which
  is called sappy instead of jaws).  If you forward me the link I will
  take a look and let you know if the games work with jaws. If you have
  any questions about 

RE: using the same set up in wordpad that is used in Microsoft word

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Yeah, I know some folks who write their web pages in Wordpad.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
 White via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 11:35 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Bill White
 Subject: Re: using the same set up in wordpad that is used in Microsoft
 word
 
 I knew it would handle RichText, but I wasn't aware it would handle
 html.
 When I use the Save As option, it will save the document as rtf. But
 you still cannot navigate between headings etc.
 Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Nicole Massey via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Nicole Massey ny...@gypsyheir.com
 Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 9:25 AM
 Subject: RE: using the same set up in wordpad that is used in Microsoft
 word
 
 
  Actually, Wordpad doesn't deal only with raw text documents, and it
  can handle some heading stuff, as it'll handle rich text format
  documents and HTML. But it's a very basic word processing program,
 and
  though it's gotten some additional features since its inception (or
  conversion from
  Write) in Windows 95, it's still not full featured and it's not going
  to have the level of features you get in Word.
  The text only editor is Notepad.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
  White via Jfw
  Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 10:14 AM
  To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
  Cc: Bill White
  Subject: Re: using the same set up in wordpad that is used in
  microsoft word
 
  Hi, Mike. OK, I found Wordpad. The reason you can't use the same
  features as in Word is that the document being edited is a text
  document, not a Word-style document, which can be marked up with
  headings, etc.
 
  Text documents don't have the same options as Word-style documents.
  For example, in Word, you can press JAWS key plus Z and turn
  navigation keys on and off. After turning navigation keys on, you
  cannot edit the document, but you can move between headings, etc.
 
  In WordPad, since there are no headings, etc., there are no
  navigation keys.
  Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
  - Original Message -
  From: mike mcglashon via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
  To: jaws mailing list jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
  Cc: mike mcglashon michael.mcglas...@comcast.net
  Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 7:43 AM
  Subject: using the same set up in wordpad that is used in microsoft
  word
 
 
   hi guys:
  
   I would like to know if there is a way that I can use the same
   voice features in wordpad like we have in microsoft word.  What
 I’m
   asking
  is, I
   wish to have the ability to tell me the font and all that stuff
   when
  I use
   insert-f or alt-delete; in wordpad like it does in ms word.  For
  instance,
   when I hit alt-delete in word it says something like “3 inches
 from
  left,
   5 inches from top, page 3...” or whatever.  If I do this in
   wordpad,
  I get
   “1, 10” or something like that which is relatively meaningless?
  
   I guess what I want is all the same settings that come up in word,
   I
  wish
   them for wordpad?
  
   I hope I haven’t confused anyone but it surely would be helpful to
  use
   this.
  
   Please keep in mind, I’m not very technological on this stuff so
  please be
   overly descriptive with your directions on what to do.
  
   Assume I am a child on this one, I will do whatever directions say
   to
  do.
  
   Thank you very much for reading this; and hope to hear from
 someone
  soon.
  
   Sincerely:
  
   Mike M.
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RE: using the same set up in wordpad that is used in microsoft word

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Wordpad is a standard Windows program.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike
 Mcglashon via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 10:54 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Mike Mcglashon
 Subject: Re: using the same set up in wordpad that is used in microsoft
 word
 
 g? I don't know how I got word pad on my computer it was just there
 ever since I've always had the computer
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
  On May 8, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Bill White via Jfw j...@lists.the-
 jdh.com wrote:
 
  Hi, Mike. How did you get WordPad, and how are you running it? I am
 using JAWS13, and have no Wordpad. All I have is HJPad.
 
  Thank you.
  Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
  - Original Message - From: mike mcglashon via Jfw
  jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
  To: jaws mailing list jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
  Cc: mike mcglashon michael.mcglas...@comcast.net
  Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 7:43 AM
  Subject: using the same set up in wordpad that is used in microsoft
  word
 
 
  hi guys:
 
  I would like to know if there is a way that I can use the same voice
 features in wordpad like we have in microsoft word.  What I’m asking
 is, I wish to have the ability to tell me the font and all that stuff
 when I use insert-f or alt-delete; in wordpad like it does in ms word.
 For instance, when I hit alt-delete in word it says something like “3
 inches from left, 5 inches from top, page 3...” or whatever.  If I do
 this in wordpad, I get “1, 10” or something like that which is
 relatively meaningless?
 
  I guess what I want is all the same settings that come up in word, I
 wish them for wordpad?
 
  I hope I haven’t confused anyone but it surely would be helpful to
 use this.
 
  Please keep in mind, I’m not very technological on this stuff so
 please be overly descriptive with your directions on what to do.
 
  Assume I am a child on this one, I will do whatever directions say
 to do.
 
  Thank you very much for reading this; and hope to hear from someone
 soon.
 
  Sincerely:
 
  Mike M.
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RE: using the same set up in wordpad that is used in Microsoft word

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Actually, Wordpad doesn't deal only with raw text documents, and it can handle 
some heading stuff, as it'll handle rich text format documents and HTML. But 
it's a very basic word processing program, and though it's gotten some 
additional features since its inception (or conversion from Write) in Windows 
95, it's still not full featured and it's not going to have the level of 
features you get in Word.
The text only editor is Notepad.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
 White via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 10:14 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Bill White
 Subject: Re: using the same set up in wordpad that is used in microsoft
 word
 
 Hi, Mike. OK, I found Wordpad. The reason you can't use the same
 features as in Word is that the document being edited is a text
 document, not a Word-style document, which can be marked up with
 headings, etc.
 
 Text documents don't have the same options as Word-style documents. For
 example, in Word, you can press JAWS key plus Z and turn navigation
 keys on and off. After turning navigation keys on, you cannot edit the
 document, but you can move between headings, etc.
 
 In WordPad, since there are no headings, etc., there are no navigation
 keys.
 Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
 - Original Message -
 From: mike mcglashon via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: jaws mailing list jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: mike mcglashon michael.mcglas...@comcast.net
 Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 7:43 AM
 Subject: using the same set up in wordpad that is used in microsoft
 word
 
 
  hi guys:
 
  I would like to know if there is a way that I can use the same voice
  features in wordpad like we have in microsoft word.  What I’m asking
 is, I
  wish to have the ability to tell me the font and all that stuff when
 I use
  insert-f or alt-delete; in wordpad like it does in ms word.  For
 instance,
  when I hit alt-delete in word it says something like “3 inches from
 left,
  5 inches from top, page 3...” or whatever.  If I do this in wordpad,
 I get
  “1, 10” or something like that which is relatively meaningless?
 
  I guess what I want is all the same settings that come up in word, I
 wish
  them for wordpad?
 
  I hope I haven’t confused anyone but it surely would be helpful to
 use
  this.
 
  Please keep in mind, I’m not very technological on this stuff so
 please be
  overly descriptive with your directions on what to do.
 
  Assume I am a child on this one, I will do whatever directions say to
 do.
 
  Thank you very much for reading this; and hope to hear from someone
 soon.
 
  Sincerely:
 
  Mike M.
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RE: Screen rotation.

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Yes, this happens on my non-Dell machine with an Intel graphics adapter as
well. I've not found a way to right this condition with Jaws on, but
shutting it off, fixing the problem, and then turning it right back on seems
to resolve the issue.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Lange
 via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:32 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Tom Lange
 Subject: Re: Screen rotation.
 
 Hi Greg,
 This problem is not unique to Dell laptops; I've run into this issue
 with Dell desktop machines that have an Intel graphics adapter.  I
 think the shortcut that caused the screen rotation is ctrl+alt+right
 arrow, and to set it back to normal may be ctrl+alt+up arrow.  If that
 doesn't work, put focus on the desktop and make sure that nothing is
 selected.  Then bring up the context menu with the applications key or
 shift+f10, and look for something related to Intel Graphics.  Open that
 submenu and in there you should see an option to reorient the screen.
 You may also see something that will disable screen rotation.
 
 Hope that helps.
 
 Tom
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Greg Nickel via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Greg Nickel greg.nickel.wo...@gmail.com
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 2:52 PM
 Subject: Screen rotation.
 
 
  Hi all.
 
 
 
  From time to time my screen orientation gets rotated 90 degrees.  I
 only
  know this because my wife happens to see my screen.  When it is
 brought to
  my attention, I then recollect that I have frequent cursor jumping
 and
  other
  minor focus issues.  Since they were only annoyances that I chalked
 up to
  the idiosyncrasies of JAWS I didn't know to fix the problem.
 
 
 
  So, here's a couple questions:
 
 
 
  1.   What is the shortcut to re-orientate or rotate the screen?
 
  2.   Is there any audio cue that can be assigned to indicate the
  screen
  has rotated?
 
  Not sure what the shortcut key is that rotates the screen but it must
 be
  similar or adjacent to one that I use since this seems to happen to
 me
  reasonably frequently.
 
 
 
  Thanks.
 
 
 
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RE: Screen rotation.

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Right, though I've got things set up so I can shut down Jaws and restart it
again with no problems, and this only comes up when a sighted person tries
to use my screen -- I couldn't care less about the rotation when I use it as
Jaws doesn't care about it at all from what I've experienced, and I don't
know there's a problem unless a sighted person, who is on hand to make sure
it's rotated correctly, is telling me about it. So though it's handy to be
able to do this without sighted assistance as one more accessibility issue
resolved, it's not something I can imagine comes up without sighted persons
involved.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg
 Nickel via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:59 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Greg Nickel
 Subject: RE: Screen rotation.
 
 Hey Nicole.
 
 Tim's suggestion gets it done without shutting off JAWS.
 
 Windows + M or D to desktop then take focus off any icons then open the
 context menue shift + f10 then to graphic options and to rotate screen.
 
 I can't see the orientation so for me this indicates that I've set it
 to normal orientation
  -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nicole
 Massey via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 3:47 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Nicole Massey
 Subject: RE: Screen rotation.
 
 Yes, this happens on my non-Dell machine with an Intel graphics adapter
 as well. I've not found a way to right this condition with Jaws on, but
 shutting it off, fixing the problem, and then turning it right back on
 seems to resolve the issue.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom
  Lange via Jfw
  Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:32 PM
  To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
  Cc: Tom Lange
  Subject: Re: Screen rotation.
 
  Hi Greg,
  This problem is not unique to Dell laptops; I've run into this issue
  with Dell desktop machines that have an Intel graphics adapter.  I
  think the shortcut that caused the screen rotation is ctrl+alt+right
  arrow, and to set it back to normal may be ctrl+alt+up arrow.  If
 that
  doesn't work, put focus on the desktop and make sure that nothing is
  selected.  Then bring up the context menu with the applications key
 or
  shift+f10, and look for something related to Intel Graphics.  Open
  shift+that
  submenu and in there you should see an option to reorient the screen.
  You may also see something that will disable screen rotation.
 
  Hope that helps.
 
  Tom
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Greg Nickel via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
  To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
  Cc: Greg Nickel greg.nickel.wo...@gmail.com
  Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 2:52 PM
  Subject: Screen rotation.
 
 
   Hi all.
  
  
  
   From time to time my screen orientation gets rotated 90 degrees.  I
  only
   know this because my wife happens to see my screen.  When it is
  brought to
   my attention, I then recollect that I have frequent cursor jumping
  and
   other
   minor focus issues.  Since they were only annoyances that I chalked
  up to
   the idiosyncrasies of JAWS I didn't know to fix the problem.
  
  
  
   So, here's a couple questions:
  
  
  
   1.   What is the shortcut to re-orientate or rotate the screen?
  
   2.   Is there any audio cue that can be assigned to indicate
 the
   screen
   has rotated?
  
   Not sure what the shortcut key is that rotates the screen but it
   must
  be
   similar or adjacent to one that I use since this seems to happen to
  me
   reasonably frequently.
  
  
  
   Thanks.
  
  
  
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RE: Jaws question, Assigning A Shorcut Keystroke

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

You left out a step.
0. Press Control+Alt+J and find out what comes up. If nothing starts from
this key combination then move on to the next steps. If something does open
up then you need to clear that shortcut assignment from the application
before continuing with the process, otherwise something else will start and
Jaws won't at least some of the time.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael
 B. via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 3:55 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Michael B.
 Subject: Re: Jaws question, Assigning A Shorcut Keystroke
 
 Hi Jennifer,
 
 To shut down Jaws the keystrokes are, Insert / Jaws Key + F4, then
 Enter or, Insert / Jaws Key, Windows Key, + F4.  The keystroke, Insert
 + J, is for opening the Jaws context menu when running Jaws from the
 System Tray.
 
 Here is 1 set of steps to create a shortcut keystroke for starting
 Jaws:
 1. Go  to the Desktop by invoking the keystroke, Windows key + M, or,
 Windows Key + D.
 2. Press the letter, J, until you land on the JAWS icon.
 3. Press Alt + Enter to bring up the JAWS Properties page.
 4. Tab to the Shortcut key field, and type in the shortcut key
 combination of your choice, like Alt-Control-J or whatever other
 combination you prefer.
 5. Tab to Apply button, hit Space, then tab around again to the Okay
 button and hit Space.  That's it.  Now, when you press Alt-Control-J or
 whatever shortcut key you assigned, JAWS will be launched.  HTH.
 Take care.
 Mike
 This email was sent from my, iGoDodgersBarstool.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Jennifer Aberdeen via Jfw
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Jennifer Aberdeen
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 12:37 PM
 Subject: Re: Jaws question
 
 
 I pressed insert + J and then pressed alt + f4.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Annabelle Susan Morison via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 10:54 AM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Annabelle Susan Morison
 Subject: RE: Jaws question
 
 How exactly did you turn it off? Did you press insert+F4? Did you press
 Insert+Windows+F4? I'm confused!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
 Aberdeen via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:16 PM
 To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Jennifer Aberdeen
 Subject: Jaws question
 
 Hi all,
 
 I've been trying to find the answer to my question in Jaws help, but
 for the
 life of me, I can't find the answer.
 
 How do I turn Jaws back on after turning it off?
 
 I thought it was alt+control+J, but that doesn't seem to work.
 
 I had shut Jaws off so my sighted niece could use my computer without
 any
 annoyance from Jaws, but the only way I know how to get it back on is
 if I
 restart my computer.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jen
 
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RE: Jaws question

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Note also that some other programs set up the alt+ctrl+J shortcut, so it's wise 
to hit it while Jaws is working to find out what comes up and if it's not Jaws 
then change that shortcut. One of the Nero programs does this, for instance.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal
 Nowicki via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:50 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Michal Nowicki
 Subject: RE: Jaws question
 
 Alt plus Ctrl plus J works only if you previously enable it as a
 shortcut to start JAWS; there actually is no default shortcut to launch
 JAWS, so I'm not surprised you can't find one.  There are, however,
 ways to start JAWS without restarting the computer.  For instance, if
 you have a JAWS desktop icon, you can press Windows M or Windows D to
 go to the desktop and then the letter J to get to the JAWS icon.  At
 that point press Enter to activate the icon.  If you have iother icons
 that begin with the letter J (e.g.  Java), though, this may not be the
 best option, as you will have no speech while you attempt to navigate
 to the JAWS icon.  Therefore, your best bet is probably to type JAWS
 from within the start menu and press Enter, at least until you set up
 the Alt plus Ctrl plus J shortcut.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
 Aberdeen via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:16 PM
 To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Jennifer Aberdeen
 Subject: Jaws question
 
 Hi all,
 
 I’ve been trying to find the answer to my question in Jaws help, but
 for the life of me, I can’t find the answer.
 
 How do I turn Jaws back on after turning it off?
 
 I thought it was alt+control+J, but that doesn’t seem to work.
 
 I had shut Jaws off so my sighted niece could use my computer without
 any annoyance from Jaws, but the only way I know how to get it back on
 is if I restart my computer.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Deleting Friends on Facebook

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

I found this once, but I've been unable to find it again. I'm using the
mobile site on Facebook and I want to delete a few folks from my friends
list. Anyone got steps on doing it? I'm running Jaws 12 on an XP system.


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RE: excel question

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Go to the row below where you want to insert the line. Press Control+ the
plus key. Arrow down to Insert entire row and press enter. There are other
ways to do this, but this is the one I find to be the fastest and easiest,
and it works in every version of Excel I've encountered going back as far as
versions for Windows 3x.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara
 Hansen via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:00 PM
 To: Jfw lists
 Subject: excel question
 
 Hello all,
 
 
 
 I know this question has been addressed before, but didn't need to know
 at that time.
 
 
 
 I am needing to add a row in an excel document that has already been
 created. I am using jaws version 16 and office 2010. Your assistance on
 keystroke for inserting a line in this document would be appreciated.
 
 
 
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RE: Accessible web hosting that offers site templates

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

I've had great results with Dreamhost. I've yet to run into any
accessibility issues with their setup, they have a wide array of one click
installs that will allow you to do some great stuff, and they auto-upgrade
these to keep you current. If you can't find an answer in their knowledge
base/Wiki (which is rare) they'll answer emails and they have an accessible
chat client, and if they still can't fix the problem they'll call you. I'm
on an unlimited space and account plan for about $10/month, which comes with
unlimited email accounts, bandwidth, and space. I've been completely happy
with them, and downtime is minimal too. If you decide to send your client
their way I'd appreciate you letting them know I sent you, as they'll also
give me a break on my rate for referring others.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gatton,
 Tonia (OFB-LV) via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2015 1:25 PM
 To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Subject: Accessible web hosting that offers site templates
 
 Hi!  I'm not sure of the correct terminology but I have a client
 looking for a fairly inexpensive web hosting service that provides a
 template of sorts and does all of the HTML and CSS coding; so that all
 he'll pretty much have to do is fill in the blanks of a form or
 template, and they'll take care of the rest.  He just wants to create a
 small simple web site and may employ my assistance in maintaining it;
 since he isn't much of a techie.  He is using Jaws 16 on a Windows 7
 machine.  I would appreciate any guidance and or suggestions.
 
 
 
 Thanks so much and have a blessed day,
 
 
 Tonia
 
 Tonia Gatton
 Assistive Technology Specialist
 Kentucky career Center
 KY Office for the Blind
 Charles W. McDowell Center
 8412 Westport Road
 Louisville, KY 40242
 (502) 429-4460 ext. 268
 (502) 429-7101
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RE: search engines -- ixquick

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

I use it for all internet searches, save for product searches. (Though I'd
like to find a good alternative to Froogle for searching for products)

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Howard
 Traxler via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:15 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: search engines -- ixquick
 
 I once used ixquick for all my phone and local business lookups.  It
 seems they've made some changes and it just doesn't work the same any
 more.  Should I maybe try it again?  Thanks.
 Howard
 - Original Message -
 From: Greg Nickel via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: 'Nicole Massey' ny...@gypsyheir.com; 'The Jaws for Windows
 support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com; 'David Hardingham'
 jarhea...@roadrunner.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 1:40 AM
 Subject: RE: search engines
 
 
  Indeed, Ixquick is excellent.  No cluttered results just does what
 you ask
  of it.  Simple to install if any of you want to give it a go...
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nicole
 Massey
  via Jfw
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 5:08 PM
  To: 'David Hardingham'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
  Subject: RE: search engines
 
  I'm a huge fan of Ixquick. It's completely blind accessible using
 Jaws. I
  also like the quality of the searches and the clarity of what I get.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David
  Hardingham via Jfw
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 5:26 PM
  To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
  Subject: search engines
 
  Hi all,
 
  Does anyone know of a search engine that works well with jaws
 fourteen.
  I have ask.com  and I cannot find anything I want when doing a
 search.
  I get link after link that have nothing to do with what I am looking
  for.
 
  I remember once that there was a search enginge for the blind but do
  not remember what it was or if it worked.
 
  I use i.e. latest and windoweyes latest as well as firefox latest.
  Still no matter what I use I just wind up frustrated.
 
  Thanks,
 
 
  David
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RE: Fully Functional Screen Reader Petition

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Here's the long and the short of it. You're not going to get a screen reader
that can read you what happens before the point of hard drive access  on any
BIOS based machine, because it's not set up for that. It doesn't matter if
it's Jaws, Window Eyes, NVDA, or Narrator, it's not going to happen.
Microsoft could set up Narrator to activate if needed early on, but this
won't happen before the install sets up the audio resources, because it
won't have anything to play through. That said you've been able to script
Windows at least since 3.1, so it's possible, if you know the hardware
you're setting it up on, to do an installation with no human intervention so
that the first time you need to do anything is when you get to a functional
desktop. (And no, I don't have the details on such scripting for later
versions, as I haven't needed it, as I find myself doing a reinstall of an
OS about every four years or so, not constantly like some folks do -- I'm
careful with my OS) So having narrator or Jaws or any other screen reader
support during an install is sort of a non-issue, which is good because
before a certain point there would be absolutely no way that a screen reader
would work because it'd have nothing to play through. Smart phones and Apple
computers get around this by not using a BIOS setup, and that may be
something that happens with Windows based machines in the future, but for
now it's about as likely as you finding a stray Higgs boson in your pants
pocket or purse.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via
 Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 3:08 PM
 To: Nermin; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Fully Functional Screen Reader Petition
 
 There might be difficulties with pre install implementations of
 narrator, but at the end of the day, Microsoft have no excuse, we must
 have a full build in screenreader. And this should be even law. They
 mest up enough with windows8 and to make windows10 scriptable as I've
 heard is not good enough. They should even change the way the registry
 works where possible. They expect everybody to be I t gurus. I have to
 pay for jaws 16 but I don't do it with a smile. And I simply do it
 because if I don't, then when I really need to upgrade then you going
 to pay to much. That is all that is expected of blind people. Just to
 pay what we don't have, to be who we are not and so on. I will move to
 mac, even if it take me 10 years or longer.
 
 On 21/01/2015, Nermin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
  Hi,
 
  please note that Window Eyes 9.0 is out.
  You can download it and try it with Office 2010 and above for free.
  They redid most of their Internet acces, and other stuff.
 
  Regards,
  Nermi
 
  -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
  From: Soronel Haetir via Jfw
  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 3:09 PM
  To: Michael Malver ; The Jaws for Windows support list.
  Subject: Re: Fully Functional Screen Reader Petition
 
  It would be fairly difficult for narrator to be implemented in such a
  way that a complete install would be possible for us.  For instance
  with the HP computers I have now in order to do a install or reset to
  factory I have to use a boot screen menu that is present well before
  windows runs at all.
 
  On 1/21/15, Michael Malver via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
  I wonder if the issue isn't the screen reader, but how it is
 implemented.
  Put another way, could narrator allow us to install windows, if it
  were implemented slightly differently. This would allow us to have
  the installation ability that you get with Apple, but at the same
  time, Microsoft wouldn't have to commit to a full screen reader.
 
 
  On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw
  jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 
  You may not want to start a discussion, but posting a link to this
  petition inevitably does just that. I worry that if MS came up with
  anything close to Apple's VoiceOver, employers would assume basic
  accessibility requirements have been met without the added cost of
  buying and updating JAWS. As good as VoiceOver may be, and despite
  our periodic frustrations with FS, JAWS is exclusively tailored to
  the needs of visually impaired computer users. I dread the day MS
  takes on this job and elbows FS out.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
 Nermin
  via Jfw
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:53 AM
  To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
  Subject: Fully Functional Screen Reader Petition
 
  Hi all,
 
  I consider this a very important petition, however, I do not wish
 to
  start a discussion on whether or not this will do away with
  blindness products, the attempt as such will fail, or any other
  messages of a similar nature.
 
  Someone started a petition calling on Microsoft to incorporate a
  real screen reader into Windows 10.
  This should include maintenance and installing capabilities.
  The 

RE: Fully Functional Screen Reader Petition

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Apple gets access to voiceover, just like the smart phone OS's do, because
they're not using BIOS to set the hardware information in the system. So
it'd require more than an OS change, it'd need some fundamental changes in
how the computer handled its setup.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael
 Malver via Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:16 AM
 To: Adrian Spratt; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Fully Functional Screen Reader Petition
 
 I wonder if the issue isn't the screen reader, but how it is
 implemented. Put another way, could narrator allow us to install
 windows, if it were implemented slightly differently. This would allow
 us to have the installation ability that you get with Apple, but at the
 same time, Microsoft wouldn't have to commit to a full screen reader.
 
 
  On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw j...@lists.the-
 jdh.com wrote:
 
  You may not want to start a discussion, but posting a link to this
 petition inevitably does just that. I worry that if MS came up with
 anything close to Apple's VoiceOver, employers would assume basic
 accessibility requirements have been met without the added cost of
 buying and updating JAWS. As good as VoiceOver may be, and despite our
 periodic frustrations with FS, JAWS is exclusively tailored to the
 needs of visually impaired computer users. I dread the day MS takes on
 this job and elbows FS out.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nermin
  via Jfw
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:53 AM
  To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
  Subject: Fully Functional Screen Reader Petition
 
  Hi all,
 
  I consider this a very important petition, however, I do not wish to
 start a discussion on whether or not this will do away with blindness
 products, the attempt as such will fail, or any other messages of a
 similar nature.
 
  Someone started a petition calling on Microsoft to incorporate a real
 screen reader into Windows 10.
  This should include maintenance and installing capabilities.
  The link is here:
  https://windows.uservoice.com/forums/265757-windows-feature-
 suggestion
  s/suggestions/6942363-add-a-native-fully-functional-screen-reader-to-
 w
  i
 
  Share this with friends and family, on Facebook or Twitter. Anywhere
 you feel might give the necessary votes.
 
  Voting is easy, and you do not even need to provide an e-mail
 address.
 
  Regards,
 
  Nermin
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RE: search engines

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

www.ixquick.com.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
 via Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:02 AM
 To: Andre Jarreau; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: search engines
 
 where could i get it?
 On 1/21/2015 7:57 AM, Andre Jarreau via Jfw wrote:
  Ok, for those less tech savvy.  Would IXQuick work with Firefox, IE
 or
  other browsers as a default?  Or is a search engine a stand alone
 application.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg
  Nickel via Jfw
  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 1:40 AM
  To: 'Nicole Massey'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'; 'David
  Hardingham'
  Subject: RE: search engines
 
  Indeed, Ixquick is excellent.  No cluttered results just does what
 you
  ask of it.  Simple to install if any of you want to give it a go...
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nicole
  Massey via Jfw
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 5:08 PM
  To: 'David Hardingham'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
  Subject: RE: search engines
 
  I'm a huge fan of Ixquick. It's completely blind accessible using
  Jaws. I also like the quality of the searches and the clarity of what
 I get.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David
  Hardingham via Jfw
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 5:26 PM
  To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
  Subject: search engines
 
  Hi all,
 
  Does anyone know of a search engine that works well with jaws
 fourteen.
  I have ask.com  and I cannot find anything I want when doing a
 search.
  I get link after link that have nothing to do with what I am looking
  for.
 
  I remember once that there was a search enginge for the blind but do
  not remember what it was or if it worked.
 
  I use i.e. latest and windoweyes latest as well as firefox latest.
  Still no matter what I use I just wind up frustrated.
 
  Thanks,
 
 
  David
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RE: Fully Functional Screen Reader Petition

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Indications are that that day is coming, and soon. The jury's still out on
if MS will include scripting in Windows 10, as it can be a big security
problem. But they've got it working internally already.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
 Spratt via Jfw
 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:39 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: RE: Fully Functional Screen Reader Petition
 
 You may not want to start a discussion, but posting a link to this
 petition inevitably does just that. I worry that if MS came up with
 anything close to Apple's VoiceOver, employers would assume basic
 accessibility requirements have been met without the added cost of
 buying and updating JAWS. As good as VoiceOver may be, and despite our
 periodic frustrations with FS, JAWS is exclusively tailored to the
 needs of visually impaired computer users. I dread the day MS takes on
 this job and elbows FS out.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nermin
 via Jfw
 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:53 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Fully Functional Screen Reader Petition
 
 Hi all,
 
 I consider this a very important petition, however, I do not wish to
 start a discussion on whether or not this will do away with blindness
 products, the attempt as such will fail, or any other messages of a
 similar nature.
 
 Someone started a petition calling on Microsoft to incorporate a real
 screen reader into Windows 10.
 This should include maintenance and installing capabilities.
 The link is here:
 https://windows.uservoice.com/forums/265757-windows-feature-
 suggestions/suggestions/6942363-add-a-native-fully-functional-screen-
 reader-to-wi
 
 Share this with friends and family, on Facebook or Twitter. Anywhere
 you feel might give the necessary votes.
 
 Voting is easy, and you do not even need to provide an e-mail address.
 
 Regards,
 
 Nermin
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RE: search engines

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

I'm a huge fan of Ixquick. It's completely blind accessible using Jaws. I
also like the quality of the searches and the clarity of what I get.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David
 Hardingham via Jfw
 Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 5:26 PM
 To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Subject: search engines
 
 Hi all,
 
 Does anyone know of a search engine that works well with jaws fourteen.
 I have ask.com  and I cannot find anything I want when doing a search.
 I get link after link that have nothing to do with what I am looking
 for.
 
 I remember once that there was a search enginge for the blind but do
 not remember what it was or if it worked.
 
 I use i.e. latest and windoweyes latest as well as firefox latest.
 Still no matter what I use I just wind up frustrated.
 
 Thanks,
 
 
 David
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RE: brain freeze and music program

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Are you thinking of Winamp? If so then you just open it and press the R and
it'll repeat. Understand also that it's currently not being developed,
though it's still fully functional. There's also a lot of good information
on using it with Jaws on the web. Do

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of j Bron
 via Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 4:58 PM
 To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Subject: brain freeze and music program
 
 With jaws 16 I wanted to set my music program to automatically repeat
 the selection I'm listening to.  What is the name of the program that
 has been used with jaws since forever?  The subject line says it all,
 my brain froze.
 JB
 
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RE: EHarmony.com

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

There are some accessibility roadblocks with Chemistry too, at least there
were when I was trying it out. I have a friend who works there, and he
helped me navigate through them. He also told me that none of them were of
any real use in finding a match, they just provided a bit of entertainment
for users of the site. Once I got past the survey and the initial contact
everything worked fine, but this was at least seven and a half years ago, so
it might have changed since then. He also told me that they weren't
interested in making the site accessible, as they were considered to be
entertainment category sites, and as such they didn't fall under 805J
restrictions. I suspect this is a general ethos across the entire matching
website industry.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
 Hourigan via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 9:23 AM
 To: Kimsan; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: EHarmony.com
 
 Plenty of Fish is not sweet to navigate either. Perhaps we need a Jaws
 list for that, lol.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Kimsan via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 11:11 PM
 To: 'Matthew Bullis' ; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: EHarmony.com
 
 I should try NVDA, as I hear it works with it, but when quickly using
 it just now, same result with jaws.  Window eyes also sucks with it,
 and jaws does not work with it. Hahaha, what does eharmony have against
 blind squarrels looking for a nut.
 I will try the app, maybe. Matthew, can you email me off list to
 continue this conversation at kimsans...@gmail.com?
 Thank you and happy new year.
 
 Success is the result of perfection, hard work, learning from failure,
 loyalty and persistence. Colin Powell
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Matthew
 Bullis via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 10:08 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: EHarmony.com
 
 This is an interesting question, as I signed up earlier this year. I
 tried Internet Explorer, Firefox, and the Safari browser on the Mac. I
 also tried m.eharmony.com as well as the regular site. By far, I had
 the best luck when I installed the IOS app and filled out the questions
 there. With Jaws, I couldn't proceed very far, except for once I'd
 finished the exhaustive match profile questions. Once I did this on the
 app, I have been usingJaws successfully with Firefox for best results.
 Daily, I still use the ap to move through matches, but when
 corresponding with them, I will use the computer to fill out the
 questions. I have found that once you select your five introductory
 questions on the computer, it preselects them, and the app does as
 well, even though all of the big list of questions is there. When I
 started the service, they had someone there called Val who would go
 through different parts of the site and had some experience with Jaws.
 She would set up an appointment each week to help out, but maybe she
 doesn't work there anymore, as I stopped hearing from her. A call to
 their service is helpful if you can find their phone number. Here's the
 last one I have for them.
 1-800-965-7249. In the absence of sighted help, since I didn't want to
 involve family in this most private of matters, the staff can go
 through the site and your preferences with you. One final note is that
 when I was updating my credit card info, it wasn't clear that I was
 signing up for a whole year membership, and it charged the year
 membership when I thought I was only updating for the monthly charge.
 I'm sure they would have refunded the money had I asked, but I'm
 committed to it for the year.
 Matthew
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RE: Kindle Books, not all have audio!

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

If someone is paid to read it to you it is, for those who don't understand
the ramifications of the Copyright Act of 1976 and the ADA and the Chaffee
Act, thought to be a performance of the work and thereby an infringement of
the right to performance from copyright law. If this ever goes to trial
they're going to get their posterior handed to them, as all three laws
mentioned above deal with this for the visually or reading impaired. But
that misinformed blather still perpetuates.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle,
 Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 7:10 AM
 To: Guerra Access Technology Training; The Jaws for Windows support
 list.
 Subject: RE: Kindle Books, not all have audio!
 
 Somehow that is considered by some a copyright violation--nonsense.  If
 a live person reads it  to me, that's okay, but if Computer Jane reads
 it I'm some kind of criminal; how does that work?
 
 Ted
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Guerra
 Access Technology Training via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 1:00 AM
 To: 'Tim Ford'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: Kindle Books, not all have audio!
 
 Their was a movement several years ago about a rally against the
 Authors Gild since they were mandating that not all authors should be
 made to make their books with Audio.  Hence this is the result of the
 authors guild still not fixing it
 
 
 Respectfully,
 
 Guerra Access Technology Training LLC
 An Authorized state of Minnesota Vendor for Technology Training
 
 Call Guerra Access Technology Training LLC guerra Access Technology
 Training LLC Visit Guerra Access Technology Training on the Web
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
 via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:56 PM
 To: Adrian Spratt; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Kindle Books, not all have audio!
 
 I was very excited when I successfully installed and used the Kindle P
 PC software.  I read some of the three books that come pre-loaded.  I
 was able to do that just fine.
 
 I then bought a Kindle book, a 2014 copyright date.  It showed up on my
 Kindle software.  I went to read it, and got no speech.  I called
 Amazon, and found that not all Kindle books, even new ones, have the
 audio.  There is nothing to warn a blind purchaser that they are buying
 a print only version.  When I called Amazon, they confirmed the book I
 had purchased had no audio.  The rep said the only way to tell is that
 when you are in your shopping cart, there is apparently a separate
 button to buy the version with audio included.  I told him Amazon
 should put up a warning, since the absence of an audio version button
 would not warn someone like me who assumed all new Kindle books came
 with the audio included.
 
 So, excitement is all gone.  Amazon did of course refund my money, and
 said to check back every couple of weeks to see if the seller had
 responded yet to Amazon's request to add an audio version.  Oh well.
 
 Tim Ford
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:59 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: RE: Accessible method of converting Kindle book?
 
 Thanks for posting this useful information, but it leaves a question.
 If this Kindle comes with its own two voices, why is JAWS needed? Or
 put another way, are you saying we can ignore Amazon's voices and work
 just with JAWS? That's what I'd want.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre
 Jarreau via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:11 PM
 To: 'Nicole Massey'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: Accessible method of converting Kindle book?
 
 Yes there is a Kindle version with built in JAWS accessibility.  It's
 called Kindle_for_PC with JAWS screenreader plug-in already installed
 in it.
 JAWS works pretty well with it.  Call Amazon Cust Support and ask for
 the Kindle_for_PC with JAWS screenreader plug-in download.  They will
 assist with getting everything onto your computer and stay with you
 until you get it up and running.
 
 Be ware the Kindle speech synthesizer has only two voices,  Male and
 female.
 Neither is very good and understanding what is written sometimes takes
 a little time.  But overall it does work fairly well with JAWS.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nicole
 Massey via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:49 PM
 To: 'Tim Ford'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: Accessible method of converting Kindle book?
 
 Well, the Kindle player for Windows should let you access it, though I
 don't know how accessible that application is. Anyone got any
 experience with it?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun

RE: Kindle Books, not all have audio!

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

 with you
  until you get it up and running.
 
  Be ware the Kindle speech synthesizer has only two voices,  Male and
  female.
  Neither is very good and understanding what is written sometimes
 takes
  a little time.  But overall it does work fairly well with JAWS.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nicole
  Massey via Jfw
  Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:49 PM
  To: 'Tim Ford'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
  Subject: RE: Accessible method of converting Kindle book?
 
  Well, the Kindle player for Windows should let you access it, though
 I
  don't know how accessible that application is. Anyone got any
  experience with it?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tim
  Ford via Jfw
  Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:46 PM
  To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
  Subject: Accessible method of converting Kindle book?
 
  I want to read a book that so far as I can tell, is available only
 in
  print or Kindle.  It is a 2014 copyright date.  Is there any method,
  accessible with JAWS, by which I can purchase the Kindle version,
 and
  convert it to some file I can access?
 
  Tim Ford
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RE: Accessible method of converting Kindle book?

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

I don't know about the version with Jaws, but the regular version is free.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
 via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:33 PM
 To: Andre Jarreau; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Accessible method of converting Kindle book?
 
 Great news!  How much is the software?  Do I call Amazon at any
 specific phone number, or just start with the main number?  Do I
 specifically mention I need the JAWS feature?
 
 Thanks again,
 Tim Ford
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Andre Jarreau via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:10 PM
 To: 'Nicole Massey' ; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: Accessible method of converting Kindle book?
 
 Yes there is a Kindle version with built in JAWS accessibility.  It's
 called Kindle_for_PC with JAWS screenreader plug-in already installed
 in it.
 JAWS works pretty well with it.  Call Amazon Cust Support and ask for
 the Kindle_for_PC with JAWS screenreader plug-in download.  They will
 assist with getting everything onto your computer and stay with you
 until you get it up and running.
 
 Be ware the Kindle speech synthesizer has only two voices,  Male and
 female.
 Neither is very good and understanding what is written sometimes takes
 a little time.  But overall it does work fairly well with JAWS.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nicole
 Massey via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:49 PM
 To: 'Tim Ford'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: Accessible method of converting Kindle book?
 
 Well, the Kindle player for Windows should let you access it, though I
 don't know how accessible that application is. Anyone got any
 experience with it?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tim
 Ford
  via Jfw
  Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:46 PM
  To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
  Subject: Accessible method of converting Kindle book?
 
  I want to read a book that so far as I can tell, is available only in
  print or Kindle.  It is a 2014 copyright date.  Is there any method,
  accessible with JAWS, by which I can purchase the Kindle version, and
  convert it to some file I can access?
 
  Tim Ford
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RE: Off Topic Messages and Users who Try to Act Like Moderators (Was: Best cellular phone for totally blind is it iPhone? )

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

It always amazes me how fast people are to expect that something get shut
down on a mailing list. The Internet isn't as uniform as folks like to think
it is, and messages may come in at different times or someone may still be
trying to get to the cease and desist message when they respond. It is
always a good idea when trying to maintain any social interaction,
especially in a medium where  where emotional cues are weak or even absent,
to be tolerant of others and give them the benefit of the doubt.
Also, list cops are never welcome. If someone has a problem with a
particular topic it's best to bring it to the attention of the list
moderator or owner instead of turning into a sidewalk supervisor. Moderators
exist for this reason, and it's their responsibility to take care of these
problems.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle,
 Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:04 AM
 To: Gerald Levy; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: RE: Best cellular phone for totally blind is it iPhone?
 JeannetteRamey
 
 Told?  How many administrators do we have here now?  I'd rather discuss
 it on the appropriate list, but that list is just shy of terminal!
 Frankly, I was enjoying and learning from it, and I'll bet the farm I'm
 as busy as anyone on this list.
 
 Ted
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gerald
 Levy via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:28 AM
 To: Londa Peterson; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Best cellular phone for totally blind is it iPhone?
 JeannetteRamey
 
 
 You were told to end this off-topic discussion.  This is a list for the
 discussion of JAWS-related issues.  Unless you can explain how JAWS can
 be used with Android or IPhones, kindly take this discussion elsewhere
 to a more appropriate venue.
 
 Gerald
 
 
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 From: Londa Peterson via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: 'Cliff Self' cl...@cablespeed.com; 'The Jaws for Windows
 support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 10:42 AM
 Subject: RE: Best cellular phone for totally blind is it iPhone?
 JeannetteRamey
 
 
  This is totally incorrect. Android has a screen reader called
  Talkback, and it has had this for some time. Mobile Accessibility did
  make things easier, but it isn't necessary anymore. In fact, I don't
  even know if it's still available.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cliff
  Self via Jfw
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:34 PM
  To: Gerardo Corripio; The Jaws for Windows support list.
  Subject: Re: Best cellular phone for totally blind is it iPhone?
  JeannetteRamey
 
  One thing to consider here is that the IPhone comes with a
  screenreader and the Android does not.  When I was looking into it
 the
  screenreader for the Android was about 100 bucks, though that may
  vary, and may have changed since then.  I went with the IPhone and am
  glad I did.
 
  cliff
 
 
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RE: iPhone list

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

There's also a list called Eyes Free on Google groups for Android users.
Warning -- it's a high volume list.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian
 Spratt via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 1:22 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: iPhone list
 
 There's an excellent iPhone list for visually impaired users. Here's
 the list owner's invitation:
 
 Have questions about that IPhone, IPad or IPod Touch? Join the IDevices
 list serve and get answers to your questions and find out tips and
 tricks about using those devices. To join send an email message to:
 
 idevices-j...@gatewayfortheblind.com
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle,
 Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:04 PM
 To: Gerald Levy; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: RE: Best cellular phone for totally blind is it iPhone?
 JeannetteRamey
 
 Told?  How many administrators do we have here now?  I'd rather discuss
 it on the appropriate list, but that list is just shy of terminal!
 Frankly, I was enjoying and learning from it, and I'll bet the farm I'm
 as busy as anyone on this list.
 
 Ted
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gerald
 Levy via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:28 AM
 To: Londa Peterson; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Best cellular phone for totally blind is it iPhone?
 JeannetteRamey
 
 
 You were told to end this off-topic discussion.  This is a list for the
 discussion of JAWS-related issues.  Unless you can explain how JAWS can
 be used with Android or IPhones, kindly take this discussion elsewhere
 to a more appropriate venue.
 
 Gerald
 
 
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 From: Londa Peterson via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: 'Cliff Self' cl...@cablespeed.com; 'The Jaws for Windows
 support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 10:42 AM
 Subject: RE: Best cellular phone for totally blind is it iPhone?
 JeannetteRamey
 
 
  This is totally incorrect. Android has a screen reader called
  Talkback, and it has had this for some time. Mobile Accessibility did
  make things easier, but it isn't necessary anymore. In fact, I don't
  even know if it's still available.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cliff
  Self via Jfw
  Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:34 PM
  To: Gerardo Corripio; The Jaws for Windows support list.
  Subject: Re: Best cellular phone for totally blind is it iPhone?
  JeannetteRamey
 
  One thing to consider here is that the IPhone comes with a
  screenreader and the Android does not.  When I was looking into it
 the
  screenreader for the Android was about 100 bucks, though that may
  vary, and may have changed since then.  I went with the IPhone and am
  glad I did.
 
  cliff
 
 
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RE: UI for phones.

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

This is fairly important to consider about the two options -- SERI, the
Iphone voice command function, is not native on the phone -- it requires a
functional data connection to work, from what I've been told by many users
both blind and sighted. So if you spend any time away from areas where you
have a data connection then it won't work in those instances. Talkback and
the Android voice command functionality is native to the phone, so it
doesn't have this problem.
I've found navigation on my Galaxy S4 to be both straightforward and
intuitive, but I have an extensive tech background, so my perspective on
what is intuitive is skewed.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg
 Nickel via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 1:46 PM
 To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Subject: UI for phones.
 
 All,
 
 
 
 Regarding the topic of the user interphase of phones available to the
 blind community, there are two aspects of this topic that I know to be
 important to understand.
 
 
 
 1.Voice command.
 
 2.   Navigation.
 
 
 
 Note: my experience has ben with the Iphone exclusively.
 
 
 
 Voice command:
 
 
 
 I am frequently frustrated in using the voice command of the Iphone
 when compared to the same experience of my sighted companions using the
 android based phones.
 
 
 
 In my experience the Iphone does poorly when driving it by voice.  The
 issues I have are that when speaking you cannot pause your speech as
 the Iphone will assume your done and cut you off with its prompt
 forcing you then to repeat the whole text or phone number over again.
 I also notice that when comparing the voice command UI to the android
 the Iphone is less accurate than the android.  My android companions
 can find locations and look up relevant topics quicker than can I with
 my Iphone.
 
 
 
 Navigation:
 
 
 
 This seems to be where the Iphone exceeds the android.  I have not used
 the current version of the Iphone nor the current version of android
 product however from what I know the Iphone is easier to navigate for
 the blind user.
 
 
 
 Navigation is arguably the primary concern of the user since if you
 can't get where you need to be the device is fundamentally useless.
 However I have been very frustrated with the Iphone's lack of
 functionality as it relates to voice command and thus I am very
 interested to know if the android product has improved as it relates to
 navigation of a blind user on the device's platform since the latest
 update of the Iphone has actually made my device harder to use.
 
 
 
 Is there anyone who has experience with both UI's and can comment?
 
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RE: Best cellular phone for totally blind is it iPhone? Jeannette Ramey

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Since no cellular phones use Jaws I suspect you're not going to get a lot of
responses to this, and you're going to get a lot of opinions and not a lot
of facts. You might want to ask this question on the blind tech mailing
list, but understand that just like screen readers there are a lot of folks
that have very strong opinions on this topic. If you want my opinions on it
with some technically based information feel free to contact me directly.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of jeannette
 ramey via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:09 PM
 To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Subject: Best cellular phone for totally blind is it iPhone? Jeannette
 Ramey
 
 Hello, as of 2014 what is the best cell phone for totally blind people,
 the iPhone from Apple or Androids?  Jeannette Ramey
 
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RE: Best cellular phone for totally blind is it iPhone? JeannetteRamey

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

My android phone came with a very good screen reader out of the box. No
additional purchase was required -- in fact, I haven't paid for anything on
my phone to make it accessible or to do what I want it to.
This is significant -- as all major operating systems save for Windows have
full featured  screen readers we'll see a lot more capability when the next
version of Windows comes out (what it seems they're calling Windows 10) and
it may even be scriptable, which will make it tougher on Jaws and the other
for pay screen readers to justify the expense.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cliff
 Self via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 7:34 PM
 To: Gerardo Corripio; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Best cellular phone for totally blind is it iPhone?
 JeannetteRamey
 
 One thing to consider here is that the IPhone comes with a screenreader
 and the Android does not.  When I was looking into it the screenreader
 for the Android was about 100 bucks, though that may vary, and may have
 changed since then.  I went with the IPhone and am glad I did.
 
 cliff
 
 
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RE: Category grouping in excel

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Note that Vlookup functions need things in ascending order for your actual
value you're looking up otherwise you'll get odd results. I use these a lot,
and they're very useful.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Richard B
 McDonald via Jfw
 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 8:49 AM
 To: 'Greg Nickel'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: Category grouping in excel
 
 Someone else mentioned pivot tables, which may indeed be the best way
 to go; but they are a bit complex.  Alternatively, you may want to use
 the vlookup function.  This would involve simply adding a new column
 Category into which you would add a code (e.g., 1, A, Lumber,
 etc. or whatever you want) and then vlookup would look for the match
 and sum for each match respective to the indicated column amount.  Note
 that your cvlookup function is imbedded within a sum function to do
 this.  Also, so long as each of your line item descriptions are
 consistent you do not need to add a category column but, rather, could
 just vlookup on that.
 
 HTH,
 Richard
 
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 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg
 Nickel via Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2014 8:07 PM
 To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Subject: Catagory grouping in excel
 
 Hello all.
 
 
 
 Can anyone tell me how to group line items in excel by their row title?
 
 
 
 I have catagories of construction costs that have been expensed on
 different dates for different amounts.  I'd like to categorize them by
 row title so that all the expenses for each category are grouped
 together.
 
 
 
 Thanks, as always.
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: JAWS and Excel

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Can you access the ribbon? If so then it's possible another window, perhaps
the recent documents pane, is up. Another option is that it might be
minimized, which would mean that there was nothing for the screen reader to
grab onto.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Howard
 Traxler via Jfw
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:43 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: JAWS and Excel
 
 Well, I've removed and reinstalled MS office and excel stil doesn't
 work.  On the braille display it shows the cell designation backword,
 like 1a instead of a1.  I seem to remember somewhere you can change
 that, but I don't know where.  There is no speech at all.  Maybe I
 should reinstall jaws?  any ideas?  Thanks.
 Howard
 - Original Message -
 From: Howard Traxler via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: Nicole Massey ny...@gypsyheir.com; 'The Jaws for Windows
 support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 7:21 AM
 Subject: Re: JAWS and Excel
 
 
  Thanks Nicole,
  I tried the scroll lock key which didn't do anything I could tell.
 My next thought is maybe something on the VIEW menu inside Excel.  I
 thnk I'm gonna start taking things apart here in preparation to
 reinstalling some stuff.  There are more problems than just excel.  So,
 here goes.
  Howard
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  From: Nicole Massey ny...@gypsyheir.com
  To: 'Howard Traxler' how...@traxlerenterprises.com; 'The Jaws
 for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
  Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 2:42 PM
  Subject: RE: JAWS and Excel
 
 
 I think this is an Excel problem. Your first thing to try is to hit
 the
  scroll lock key, as this can cause some problematic things to
 happen.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
 Howard
  Traxler via Jfw
  Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 1:45 PM
  To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
  Subject: JAWS and Excel
 
  Don't know if this got through before:
 
  Hi JAWS Folks,
 
  I am using MS Office 2003 (Excel) on an XP Pro machine with JAWS 11
 and
  a powerbraille 80.  All of a sudden, JAWS fails to read my Excel
  worksheets.  Moving from cell to cell makes no sound nor display.
  Otherwise, JAWS is OK--though a bit slow.Would anyone have a clew
 what
  I might have done and how to fix it?  Should I look to JAWS or
 Office
  for a fix?
 
  Thanks.
 
  Howard
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RE: JAWS and Excel

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

I think this is an Excel problem. Your first thing to try is to hit the
scroll lock key, as this can cause some problematic things to happen.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Howard
 Traxler via Jfw
 Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 1:45 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: JAWS and Excel
 
 Don't know if this got through before:
 
 Hi JAWS Folks,
 
 I am using MS Office 2003 (Excel) on an XP Pro machine with JAWS 11 and
 a powerbraille 80.  All of a sudden, JAWS fails to read my Excel
 worksheets.  Moving from cell to cell makes no sound nor display.
 Otherwise, JAWS is OK--though a bit slow.Would anyone have a clew what
 I might have done and how to fix it?  Should I look to JAWS or Office
 for a fix?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Howard
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RE: Formulas in excel.

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Try this instead:
=SUM('Sheet1'!E1,E9)
Either that or you'll need to put the sheet reference on your E9 value too.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg
 Nickel via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:12 PM
 To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Subject: Formulas in excel.
 
 Your excel knowledge is needed!
 
 
 
 I'm trying to link cells from one worksheet to another and at the same
 time add the values of cells on that first work sheet reflected as a
 sum on sheet 2.
 
 
 
 So.what I have so far is:
 
 
 
 =+'sheet 1'!e6+e9
 
 
 
 It shows the value of e6 on sheet 2 but doesn't add e9 to it.  How do I
 get the formula to add the contents of e6 and e9 from sheet 1?
 
 
 
 As always, many thanks to all of you.
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: Document Scanners

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

I've heard excellent things about the Pearl cam from FS. I have the similar
product made by Kurzweil, and they both seem to work well with Jaws.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisa L.
 Bailey via Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 11:01 PM
 To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Subject: Document Scanners
 
 I am the primary financial person in our home, and my husband (sighted)
 hates paperwork of all kinds.  Therefore, we are looking to go
 paperless.
 This means I'd like to find a product that is accessible with JAWS.
 
 
 
 Does anyone have any experience with any of the document-specific
 specialty scanners, for example DoxiScan or DoxiOne or the Fujitzu
 SnapScan series?
 Not only interested in the hardware accessibility, but also the
 organizing software that comes with them.
 
 
 
 Thanks!
 
 
 
 -  Lisa Bailey
 
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RE: Inserting in Excel.

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Select the cell you want, then go ahead and select cells moving downward or
across before activating the insert function. Note also that you can use
Control+Plus and Control+Minus to hit the insert and delete functions too.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg
 Nickel via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 12:52 PM
 To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Subject: Inserting in Excel.
 
 Hi all.
 
 
 
 I'm working in Excel 2010 and wonder if any of you can advise on how to
 insert columns and rows more efficiently.
 
 
 
 I want to insert multiple rowes at once rather than one at a time as
 I'm doing it now.  In a worksheet I shiftF10 then arrow down to insert
 then to entire row or entire column.  This inserts an entire row or
 column but only one at a time.
 
 
 
 Any advice on how to select the number of rows or columns you want to
 insert and do it with one action?
 
 
 
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RE: Inserting in Excel.

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Remember when using the insert commands that behavior in Excel can change if
you have a cell or cells on the clipboard. Instead of inserting a column you
won't get the dialog box and it will just insert the data on the clipboard.
This is extremely useful but can cause some interesting problems if you
don't take things like the length of column you're inserting into
consideration.

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 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg
 Nickel via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 1:51 PM
 To: 'Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.';
 'Dave 'Farfar' Carlson'
 Subject: RE: Inserting in Excel.
 
 For my purpose, I'm inserting entire columns and pushing the existing
 data over.  I put the focus in the block where I want the new column to
 go and then control + to insert then arrow down to the entire column
 selection.
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle,
 Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 11:43 AM
 To: Dave 'Farfar' Carlson; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: RE: Inserting in Excel.
 
 At the risk of asking a dumb question, could you specify a range; are
 the desired cells contiguous?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave
 'Farfar'
 Carlson via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 2:03 PM
 To: Nicole Massey; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Inserting in Excel.
 
 Also, don't I recall that Ctrl+Y will repeat the last action?
 
 Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, pioneer, landlord, Farfar, musician, and woodworker
 
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 To: 'Greg Nickel' greg.nickel.wo...@gmail.com; 'The Jaws for
 Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 10:59 AM
 Subject: RE: Inserting in Excel.
 
 
 Select the cell you want, then go ahead and select cells moving
 downward or across before activating the insert function. Note also
 that you can use
 Control+Plus and Control+Minus to hit the insert and delete functions
 too.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg
  Nickel via Jfw
  Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 12:52 PM
  To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
  Subject: Inserting in Excel.
 
  Hi all.
 
 
 
  I'm working in Excel 2010 and wonder if any of you can advise on how
  to insert columns and rows more efficiently.
 
 
 
  I want to insert multiple rowes at once rather than one at a time as
  I'm doing it now.  In a worksheet I shiftF10 then arrow down to
 insert
  then to entire row or entire column.  This inserts an entire row or
  column but only one at a time.
 
 
 
  Any advice on how to select the number of rows or columns you want to
  insert and do it with one action?
 
 
 
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RE: Reading column and row titles in Excel.

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Insert+Alt+Control+C for columns, or Insert+Alt+ Control +r for rows. Set
the cursor on the column or row and hit that key combination. You can do
only one  of these at a time. Excel will also sometimes forget this, so you
may have to do it more than once. I suggest saving the sheet as soon as
you've done it as that seems to help it to remember a lot of the time.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg
 Nickel via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 6:53 PM
 To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Subject: Reading column and row titles in Excel.
 
 All,
 
 
 
 Could anyone comment on how to direct excel to read a column or row
 title in excel?
 
 
 
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RE: windows 7 outlook express or outlook

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Actually I've found that Jaws works better with Outlook than Outlook
Express, and the spell checker problems OE has don't happen in Outlook. Note
however that Outlook doesn't have Usenet support if that's important to you.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ron
 Barton via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:20 AM
 To: j...@teameei.org; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: windows 7 outlook express or outlook
 
 Jeff,
 
 You are correct there is no Outlook Express for Windows 7, or 8.
 Microsoft does not support Outlook Express after Windows XP.  I did not
 like the idea of changing to Outlook either but once you get used to it
 then you hardly notice any difference!
 
 RB
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jeff via
 Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 7:58 PM
 To: 'Jerry hathaway'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: windows 7 outlook express or outlook
 
 Hi there
 
 I find outlook 2007, 2010 and 2013 to be pretty much accessible. I
 believe a user's experience level contributes to ease of use.
 I did not think there was such a thing as Outlook Express for Win 7. Is
 this shareware?
 I would go to Outlook.
 
 Jeff C
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: Recommended text editors?

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Notepad, which ships with Windows, tends to do a good enough job for what I 
need to edit.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jason
 White via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 5:16 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Recommended text editors?
 
 Hello all,
 
 What text editors do you recommend for their accessibility and
 features? I’m planning to edit text files, HTML, JavaScript, probably
 other programming languages, LaTeX, XML and so on.
 
 I’ve used Emacs frequently under Linux, as well as Vi/Vim, but I’m
 unfamiliar with the text editor options under MS-Windows.
 
 Whatever I choose needs to be well supported by JAWS, naturally enough
 (or I wouldn’t be asking on this list).
 
 Suggestions appreciated.
 
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RE: excel and counting cells

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

It's a countif statement, but use the asterisk (*) instead of a value. This
will tell you how many cells in the range have stuff in them.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
 stintonjoe--- via Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:42 AM
 To: jaws users
 Subject: excel and counting cells
 
 Hi all in micro soft excel I  have collems with lots of numbers in but
 also lots of gaps so for example i might have in the b collem numbers
 in cells b23 b24 b25 then a gap   untill b56 b57 etc.  so can i have a
 formula which will count how many cells have numbers in the row? and if
 so what is the formula ?
 i have windows 7  and jaws  12
 
 thanks in advance Joe
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RE: excel and counting cells

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

That should be a countif in that formula, not count. To use count, try
=count(A2:A25) as the count always counts the number of numbers in a range
and needs no asterisk to set the counting criterion.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Charles
 Coe via Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:33 PM
 To: stinton...@btinternet.com; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: excel and counting cells
 
 Use the following formula example:
 =count(b1:b25,*)
 
 This will inform you the total number of cells that have numbers in
 them.
 
 Hope this is of help.
 
 Charles
 
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 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
 stintonjoe--- via Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:42 AM
 To: jaws users
 Subject: excel and counting cells
 
 Hi all in micro soft excel I  have collems with lots of numbers in but
 also lots of gaps so for example i might have in the b collem numbers
 in cells
 b23 b24 b25 then a gap   untill b56 b57 etc.  so can i have a formula
 which
 will count how many cells have numbers in the row? and if so what is
 the formula ?
 i have windows 7  and jaws  12
 
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RE: getting emails out of junk

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

The answer to this question depends on what program you're using to get your
email. If you just want to move a single message once then use the context
sensitive key (next to your right control key) and move it. If you want
messages from this sender to never go to junk, then you need your junk email
settings. In Outlook you'll find these in the same menu, but other programs
may have them elsewhere. There are no special Jaws keys that do this, so
just use your email program's functions to do this.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
 Hourigan via Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 3:49 PM
 To: j Bron; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: getting emails out of junk
 
 Hello Judith,
 Using Windows Live Mail, Windows 7, Jaws 15, while in the trash folder,
 and focused on the letter in question, I press applications key, press
 v  to go to the move item, and press enter. A dialogue box opens with a
 selection of folders to receive the letter. Move to the desired folder
 and press enter.
 Cheers Kevin
 
 -Original Message-
 From: j Bron via Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:40 PM
 To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Subject: getting emails out of junk
 
 How do you get your emails out of junk email?  Judith
 
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RE: getting emails out of junk

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Probably not -- you have to mark them as not junk in the Junk Email submenu.
Hit your context sensitive key, arrow up to junk email, hit the right arrow
key, and then go to the Mark as not junk option and select the option to
not mark that as junk. You'll have to do this for every email you want not
to be marked as junk, and there's no way to do multiples like moving things.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of j Bron
 via Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:03 PM
 To: 'Dennis'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: getting emails out of junk
 
 I'm using outlook.  I moved them out of there but now my question is
 will these list mails now be received in my inbox?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dennis [mailto:dennis...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:44 PM
 To: j Bron; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: getting emails out of junk
 
 what email program are you using.
 On 10/22/2014 3:40 PM, j Bron via Jfw wrote:
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RE: GETTING TO SECOND COLUMN IN DOC.

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Tab works. There's also a way to enter table mode in word documents, but
I've forgotten that key command. In this mode you navigate the table using
the arrow keys and it reads headers to you too.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara
 Hansen via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:43 AM
 To: Jfw lists
 Subject: GETTING TO SECOND COLUMN IN DOC.
 
 Hello all,
 
 
 
 I have a simple question.
 
 
 
 I am using JAWS 15, windows 8.1 and office 2010. I have a document that
 was sent to me with 2 text columns. I cannot seem to figure out how to
 read the second column. Does anyone know the key stroke for getting to
 the second column?
 
 
 
 Your suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
 
 
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RE: question about computers

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Rumors out of Microsoft indicate that in Windows 9 Narrator will be
scriptable. If so that will open a lot of options.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Marianne
 Denning via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 6:53 PM
 To: Barbara Hansen; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: question about computers
 
 I have used a laptop for many years and would never go back to a
 desktop.  You should do some research on diferent computers before
 making your purchase.  You might also consider purchasing one with
 Windows 7 unless you have made the change to Windows 8.  That is just
 my opinion.  I am waiting for whatever comes after Windows 8.
 
 On 9/26/14, Barbara Hansen via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
  Hello every one,
 
 
 
  I need your input concerning the all in one computer. Has anyone
  experimented with this type, using JAWS. I am considering getting a
  new computer and like the idea of not having the big tower in the
 way.
  I also like the portability of the laptop too. Decisions! Decisions!
 
 
 
  Your ideas would be appreciated.
 
 
 
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RE: excel

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

As mentioned by others, the countif command is yourfriend in this. The
format is =COUNTIF(first cell in the range:last cell in the range, value you
want to count)
The value can be a number, text in quotes, or the contents of another cell.
Note that if you try to count in adjacent columns you can count them all in
one operation by setting the value after the colon to the last cell in the
second column. (or third, forth, etc.)

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces+nyyki=gypsyheir@lists.the-jdh.com] On
 Behalf Of stintonjoe--- via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:06 AM
 To: jaws users
 Subject: excel
 
 Hi all
 
 I  have a sheet in  excel and I  want to do a formula which will first
 look at a collem and count how many times the number 50 turnse up then
 I want to do the same formaler for another  collem then I  want another
 cell which adds the to together .
 so how  can this be done?
 I  have windows 7  and jaws  12
 
 thanks in advance Joe
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RE: excel

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Try this as a troubleshooting trick. In another cell, type a direct
reference to any cell that contains a number. So, for instance, if there's
data in B2 then type into this other cell =B2 and hit enter. Now go back to
that cell, and if the value is there, it's something else. However, if the
value in that cell is =B2 then hold down your control key and hit the grave
key to the left of the one, because you've gotten yourself into formula view
mode. This should switch you back.
Another possible problem is the type of data the cell expects. Hold down the
control key and press 1. This should get you into the cell format window.
Make sure you're on the cell type page and select Number and the number of
decimal places you want. (Probably 0) You can hit enter in any part of this
screen to return to your worksheet.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
 stintonjoe--- via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:09 PM
 To: jaws users
 Subject: Re: excel
 
 ok still not getting this  the formula i have tryed is  =COUNTIF(b2: b
 420,50   but all that is showing up in the cel is what i have put in as
 a
 formaler  so jaws will say =COUNTIF(b2: b 420,50  b 427 and not the
 answer.
 
 I  hope I am makeing some sort of sence thanks Joe
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Nicole Massey
 Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:14 PM
 To: stinton...@btinternet.com ; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: excel
 
 As mentioned by others, the countif command is yourfriend in this. The
 format is =COUNTIF(first cell in the range:last cell in the range,
 value you want to count) The value can be a number, text in quotes, or
 the contents of another cell.
 Note that if you try to count in adjacent columns you can count them
 all in one operation by setting the value after the colon to the last
 cell in the second column. (or third, forth, etc.)
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-bounces+nyyki=gypsyheir@lists.the-jdh.com]
  On Behalf Of stintonjoe--- via Jfw
  Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:06 AM
  To: jaws users
  Subject: excel
 
  Hi all
 
  I  have a sheet in  excel and I  want to do a formula which will
 first
  look at a collem and count how many times the number 50 turnse up
 then
  I want to do the same formaler for another  collem then I  want
  another cell which adds the to together .
  so how  can this be done?
  I  have windows 7  and jaws  12
 
  thanks in advance Joe
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RE: winamp

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Looks like attachments are suppressed here. Okay, warning, this is going to
be very long. 

*** Keyboard Shortcuts (these can be used in
*** any of Winamp's main windows) ***
Key   Action
---
---
F1   About Box
Ctrl+A   Toggle Always-On-Top (all but playlist editor)
Ctrl+Alt+A   Toggle Always-On-Top (playlist editor)
Ctrl+W   Toggle Windowshade mode

Ctrl+D   Toggle Doublesize Mode
Ctrl+E   Toggle Easymove
Ctrl+T   Toggle Time Display Mode

Alt+W   Toggle Main Window
Alt+E   Toggle Playlist Editor
Alt+G   Toggle Graphical Equalizer
Alt+T   Toggle Minibrowser
Ctrl+Tab   Cycle through different Winamp windows

Alt+S   Go to Skin selection
Ctrl+P   Go to Preferences
Alt+O   Go to Built-in Visualization options
Alt+F   Jump to Main Menu

Alt+K   Configure current Visualization Plug-In
Ctrl+Shift+K  Start/Stop current Visualization Plug-In
Ctrl+K   Open Visualization Tab of Preferences

Ctrl+J   Jump to time in current track
J or Keypad .  Open Jump-to-file Box

Ctrl+Alt+N   Spawn new Winamp instance


*** Main Window Keyboard Shortcuts ***
Key   Action
---
---

(options/toggles)
R   Toggle Repeat
S   Toggle Shuffle

Alt+3   Current file info box/ID3 editor

(playback controls)
X or Keypad 5  Play/Restart/Unpause
V   Stop
Shift+V   Stop with Fadeout
Ctrl+V   Stop after current track
C   Pause/Unpause
B or Keypad 6  Next Track
Z or Keypad 4  Previous Track
Keypad 1   Jump Ten Songs Back
Keypad 3   Jump Ten Songs Forward
Left Arrow or Keypad 7 Rewind 5 seconds
Keypad 9 or Right Arrow Fast-forward 5 seconds

L or Keypad 0  Open/Play File
Ctrl+L or Ctrl+Keypad 0 Open/Play location
Shift+L or Insert  Open/Play Directory
Keypad 8 or Up Arrow Turn Volume Up
Down Arrow or Keypad 2 Turn Volume Down


*** Playlist Editor Keyboard Shortcuts ***
Key   Action
---
---
R   Toggle Repeat
S   Toggle Shuffle

(file io)
L or Keypad 0  Add File
Ctrl+L or Ctrl+Keypad 0 Add Location
Shift+L or Insert  Add Directory
Ctrl+N   New (Clear) Playlist
Ctrl+O   Open (Load) Playlist
Ctrl+S   Save Playlist
Alt+3   View/Edit Track Info for selected track(s)
Ctrl+E   Edit Selected Track Filename(s)

(playlist manipulation)
Ctrl+A   Select All
Ctrl+I   Invert Selection
Delete   Remove Selected Files from Playlist
Ctrl+Delete  Crop Playlist
Ctrl+Shift+Delete  Clear Playlist (same as Ctrl+O)

Alt+Down Arrow  Move Selected Files Down
Alt+Up Arrow  Move Selected Files Up

Down Arrow  Move Cursor Down
Up Arrow   Move Cursor Up
Enter   Play Selected File
End   Jump to End of List
Home   Jump to Start of List
Page Up   Move up by a fifth of a page
Page Down  Move down by a fifth of a page

Alt+Delete  Remove dead (non-existent) files

(playlist sorting)
Ctrl+Shift+1  Sort Playlist by Title
Ctrl+Shift+2  Sort Playlist by File Name
Ctrl+Shift+3  Sort Playlist by File Path and Name
Ctrl+R   Reverse Playlist
Ctrl+Shift+R  Randomize Playlist


(playback controls (ala main window))
X or Keypad 5  Play/Restart/Unpause
V   Stop
Shift+V   Stop with Fadeout
C   Pause/Unpause
B or Keypad 6  Next Track
Z or Keypad 4  Previous Track
Keypad 1   Jump Ten Songs Back
Keypad 3   Jump Ten Songs Forward
Left Arrow or Keypad 7 Rewind 5 seconds
Keypad 9 or Right Arrow Fast-forward 5 seconds

Ctrl+F4   Close (hide) Playlist Editor


*** Graphical Equalizer Keyboard Shortcuts ***
Key   Action
---
---
1 - 0   Increase EQ bands
Q - P   Decrease EQ bands
`   Increase EQ Preamp
TAB   Decrease EQ Preamp
N   Toggle EQ
S   Open Presets Menu
Ctrl+S   Load Preset
A   Toggle EQ Auto-Loading
Ctrl+F4   Close (hide) Graphical Equalizer


*** Minibrowser Keyboard Shortcuts ***
Key   Action
---
---
Alt+Left   Go Back
Alt+Right   Go Forward
Ctrl+L   Open 'Go' Menu
Ctrl+O   Open Internet Location Box
Ctrl+R   Reload page
Ctrl+Alt+R   Update Link List

Ctrl+F4   Close (hide) Minibrowser
These instructions are on how to create a basic playlist in winamp.
Run Winamp.  Control tab to the playlist editor.  Now you want to add the
files to the playlist.  Press l for the file dialog.  You can use the look
in combo box to pick a directory and then arrow through the files in the
listview of songs.  Once you find a song you wish to add, press enter.  Now
you've got the first file successfully placed in the playlist, so do another
letter l, and continue adding files until you have all the ones you want.
You can also use shift L to pick a folder of songs at a time and then delete
the ones from the playlist you don't want with the delete key.  Now, do a
control S.
This is to save the list.  You'll be in the file name edit field. Type in a
name, and be sure to give the file an extension of either m3u or pls.  These
are the file extensions for 

RE: McAfee

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Never had any accessibility problems with it, but I haven't tried it on
Windows 7 or later yet.

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 emmanrusty--- via Jfw
 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 6:00 PM
 To: Kimsan; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: McAfee
 
 Heard it's not accessible. But that was a long time ago. But might be
 now. I don't know for sure.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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  Thoughts on McAfee, as it relates to jfw?
 
 
 
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RE: Need a scientific calculator

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Do you have access to Excel? I suspect that the free Excelviewer will also
do this, though you'll have to save your results some other way.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John Chan
 via Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 4:29 PM
 To: Adrian Spratt; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Need a scientific calculator
 
 I need a software or a device that will let me do natural log of a
 number or an equation. I need this for my fun night business math
 class. Windows Calculator will not let me use parenthesis
 
 Sent from Mac's iPhone
 
  On Sep 6, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw j...@lists.the-
 jdh.com wrote:
 
  You've told us enough to confirm that help is working fine on your
 machine. Once in the calculator, press alt-h. You may land on about,
 but don't press enter here. Instead, arrow up or down for the actual
 help content.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre
  Jarreau via Jfw
  Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 5:53 PM
  To: 'Kevin Hourigan'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
  Subject: RE: Need a scientific calculator
 
  Thanks Kevin.  This worked.  Now I have to get with FS.   On my
 machine the
  help topic index does not have calculator items and is why calculator
  help is not working.
  Thanks to you and Bill White for helping me get to this point.
  Cheers!
 
 
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  From: Kevin Hourigan [mailto:kevinthouri...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 12:38 PM
  To: Andre Jarreau; The Jaws for Windows support list.
  Subject: Re: Need a scientific calculator
 
  Hello Andre,
  1. Press your Windows key for the start menu.
  2. Type in calculator.
  3. Press enter.
  4. Press the Alt key, arrow over to view.
  5. down arrow to scientific view and press enter.
  6. Or just press alt 2.
  Cheers Kevin.
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  Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 1:08 PM
  To: 'Christopher Hallsworth' ; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' ;
  'John Chan'
  Subject: RE: Need a scientific calculator
 
  Tried the windows run command and nothing came up for calc.  I use
  windows 7 and JAWS 15.  Am I doing something wrong or is the
  scientific calculator just not loaded on my system?
 
  Or forgive my lack of knowing but is it a JAWS run command I am
  unfamiliar with?  Thoughts would be appreciated.  Thankss
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
  Christopher Hallsworth via Jfw
  Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 1:07 AM
  To: John Chan; The Jaws for Windows support list.
  Subject: Re: Need a scientific calculator
 
  There's one built in isn't there? Just type calc in a run command and
  you have a fully accessible calculator with scientific, programming,
  statistical functions and even a date calculator and unit converter.
 
  Christopher Hallsworth
  Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu
 
  On 06/09/2014 06:02, John Chan via Jfw wrote:
  I need a scientific calculator software that is accessible with
  Jaws.is
  there A scientific calculator that can talk? If so where can I buy
  this calculator? Is the calculator on Windows a scientific
 calculator?
 
  Sent from Mac's iPhone
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RE: Managing Worksheets in Office 2013

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

In earlier versions it's in the format menu, under sheet -- rename sheet is
the first entry. I know of no way to select multiple worksheets  without
sight, and I've talked with folks on the Excel team at Microsoft and they
had no answers for this either.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Anna
 Byrne via Jfw
 Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 5:03 AM
 To: Anna Byrne; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Managing Worksheets in Office 2013
 
 I dont have a computer with early office, but I *believe it's the
 format menu, because it is in 2007 and later.  But it might be the edit
 menu.  Once you find it, the tab will be accessible to you without
 having to navigate to it.Sorry.  Maybe it's the edit menu.  If you are
 on the worksheetyou want to change, then if you can miraculously find
 the stinkin' item in the menu, you are in business.
 
 good luck!
 
 holler if you're stuck and I will seriously fire up an early Office
 computer and find it.
 
 
 
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RE: Office 2013 Question

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Also remember that control+page up and control+page down will move you
through worksheets too, and if it's just a couple away it's faster than
control+shift+S. This works in every version of Excel I've encountered back
to Windows 3.1 versions.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Anna
 Byrne via Jfw
 Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 7:33 PM
 To: Jerry Berrier; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Office 2013 Question
 
 Okay. Verified on my Office 2013.  Sorry.  Very early this morning I
 heard Office 20*03 instead of 20*13.
 
 First, Excel 2013 opens with only one worksheet in a workbook instead
 of 3.  So shift-control-s appears not to work because you can't go to
 another worksheet because there isn't one
 
 To review the Excel worksheet keystrokes, which are all on the home
 tab:
 
 Insert sheet: alt-h-i-s, or shift+f11.
 Delete sheet: alt+h-d-s.
 rename sheet: alt+h-o-r.  JAWS says 'edit'.  Type in the new name and
 press enter.  It works, but on my machine at least JAWS doesn't talk
 much about it.
 Move or copy sheet: alt+h-o-m.
 
 If you are using the JAWS virtual menus, rename and move/copy are in
 the home/format menu, and I don't remember where the others are.
 
 On my computer shift+control+s makes a list of worksheets if there is
 more than one.
 
 You can change tab colors on the lower ribbon of the home tab,
 somewhere.
 
 Good luck!
 
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RE: off topic - smart phone

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Android. Note, it's extremely difficult to respond directly to a sender, so
if you ask folks to do this please include your email address. I tried all
the usual suspects, (Jaws+Shift+R and opening the message to look at the
from line) and couldn't get a correct email address to send this directly.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Sexton,
 Bruce via Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 10:55 AM
 To: 'Brian Varner'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: off topic - smart phone
 
 I phone
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brian
 Varner via Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 7:35 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: off topic - smart phone
 
 If anyone knows of a smart phone that is easy for blind people to use,
 please write off list.
 
 Thanks,
 Brian
 
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RE: turn off or not

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

First, let's just point that YMMV.
My server and main computer run non-stop. This is so they get regular
updates, and because it's easier on my electric bill. When an electrical
device starts up it takes more power to get it started than it does to keep
it running, much like how it takes more pushing to get a stalled car moving
than it does to keep it moving. It's the threshold between potential energy
and kinetic energy at play here and the inertial effects involved.
AS I said, your mileage may vary, and it depends on how often you access
your computer throughout the day. If you're one of those people who only
uses it for a single session throughout the day then it might serve you to
turn it on, do what you're going to do, and then leave it on for a time
afterward, setting your update cycle to hit then for your OS, office suite,
and virus and malware updates. If you use it throughout the day then it's
probably more energy conservative to leave it on.
Note also that unless your computer is unplugged from the wall it's going to
continue to draw power. (In this case unplugged from the wall can also mean
that it's plugged into a surge protector and the power switch for the surge
protector is turned off)

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Drew
 Hunthausen via Jfw
 Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:01 AM
 To: Jaws list
 Subject: turn off or not
 
 Dear list,
 
 Wondering what all of your knowledge and opinions are in terms of
 weather to turn off your computers every night or just leave them on
 all the time. I seem to be having some problems with updates and
 getting my computer running again when I turn it off. It doesn't happen
 all the time at all but wanted to know what you guys do. I've had
 people tell me both things in terms of turning it off or not. Thanks so
 much!
 
 
 
 
 
 Drew Hunthause 714-296-7111
 
 www.noexcusesblindguy.com-296-7111
 
 www.noexcusesblind
 
 
 
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RE: data recovery

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

I use a program called RCS Tools to pull data from formatted drives.
However, it's only marginally accessible, involving a lot of fiddling around
with it, and it's not free.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave
 Farfar Carlson via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 10:00 AM
 To: Marvin Hunkin; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: data recovery
 
 Marvin,
 
 Since you did a format of the drive, I don't think you can get your
 data back. You may indeed be whole wheat toast. There are companies who
 might be able to get it back, but they are pretty expensive.
 
 Dave Carlson
 Official Oregonian, Farfar, Pioneer, Landlord, Handyman, Musician, and
 Woodworker
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Marvin Hunkin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 05:17 AM
 Subject: data recovery
 
 
 Hi.
 
 I tried a suggestion, and got anomie standard particion assist 5.5
 
 And you use the jaws cursur, to explore the screen.
 
 Short story, it took 10 hours to scan my 932 gb external Toshiba hard
 disk,
 and then it said the scan was complete, and click the proceed button.
 
 Well, it was still greyed out,and decided to explore the files on the
 particion, well, windows 7, decided that the program, was not
 responding,
 and closed, so, when I went back in, had to start the dan scan all over
 again.
 
 So.
 
 It dave me this weird file name, wcftrace.clog.
 
 What is this.
 
 And is there any other more accessible, data recovery software, where I
 can
 select the music folder and try to recover that.
 
 Or do I just e-mail support, at anomie.
 
 Just frustrated.
 
 Or am I toast.
 
 Any help.
 
 Please.
 
 Marvin.
 
 
 
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RE: quickBooks accessibility has arrived!

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

The two programs are built for different target markets, which is where the
difference comes in.
Quickbooks is targeted for folks that have little actual accounting
training. It's a bookkeeping program. Peachtree is geared more towards folks
with more accounting knowledge, so it does some higher level stuff
accountants use for the more advanced tasks of an accounting job. This is
why CPA's tend to like Peachtree over Quickbooks. But both will get
bookkeeping done in their own individual way, so they're both worth
scripting.
As blind folks we face an uphill battle with getting accessibility, and the
feeling I see is one of thank the gods there's an option for us now.
That's not accessibility, it's accommodation, and there's no reason in a
fair world why all blind folks should be forced to use only one product
while the rest of the world can use any one of several. Multiple products
survive because people are different and have different ways of doing things
and different ways of thinking. There is great value in allowing blind folks
to have the same option instead of forcing them into using the same thing.
When we have the same choice that a sighted person has in software products
then we achieve parity with the sighted world and are no longer
marginalized.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via
 Jfw
 Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 6:19 AM
 To: Dave Farfar Carlson; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: quickBooks accessibility has arrived!
 
 Yes life is not fair but that shouldn't be used as an excuse for
 anything. I don't no much about these kind of software, but if it is
 true that pitchtree are more accessible I would just wunder why there
 couldn't be made scripts available for that rather, to drop costs for
 everyone? Just a thought. But over all, I appreciate the work jhon has
 done for blinttunes sound taxy and thunderbird. I love that scripts.
 
 On 07/07/2014, Dave Farfar Carlson via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 wrote:
  Robert,
 
  Actually, you should be telling Intuit this, not Quicken. Quicken and
  Quick
 
  Books are developed by Intuit in Mountain View, CA. But I would not
  hesitate
 
  to purchase John's scripts along with Quick Books; Life is not fair
  and I just move on.
 
  Dave Carlson
  Official Oregonian, Farfar, Pioneer, Landlord, Handyman, Musician,
 and
  Woodworker
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Robert Hebert via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
  To: 'John Martyn' johnrobertmar...@gmail.com; 'The Jaws for
  Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com;
  spotifyblindb...@freelists.org; blindtunesb...@freelists.org
  Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 09:13 AM
  Subject: RE: quickBooks accessibility has arrived!
 
 
  If you can develop this level of accessibility, John, -- and it truly
  is great what you have done here, then shouldn't Quick Books be
  mandated to provide this level of accessibility as part of their
 accounting package?
  Once again, the blind are left having to pay extra to use a product
  that, for a few extra dollars in development cost could have and
  indeed, should have been included by the developer. Shame on Quicken.
  Here is another task for advocacy groups both in the U. S. and
 Canada.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of John
  Martyn via Jfw
  Sent: July-06-14 12:36 AM
  To: The Jaws for Windows support list.;
  spotifyblindb...@freelists.org; blindtunesb...@freelists.org
  Subject: quickBooks accessibility has arrived!
 
  *After 3 long years and a dream, the Quest for QuickBooks is over!*
 
  To paraphrase from another historic moment in history, QuickBooks is
  coming!
  QuickBooks is coming! During this week when our nation celebrates
  independence, with all the fireworks and fanfare, My Blind Spot is
  proud to announce that the accessible version of Intuit's QuickBooks
  2014 is available for purchase and download and is just a click away.
 (Please note:
  Intuit, Inc.'s QuickBooks for Windows includes QuickBooks Pro,
  QuickBooks Premier, and QuickBooks Enterprise Solutions.)
 
  For the first time, accountants, bookkeepers, and tax preparers
  acquiring blindness, a visual impairment, or a print disability will
  have the choice to stay gainfully employed.
 
  For the first time, people of all ages who are blind, visually
  impaired, or print disabled will be able to pursue financial
  management careers previously closed to them.
 
  For the first time, people who are blind and print disabled will be
  able to manage their finances, or the finances of their small
 business
  or nonprofit, without depending on assistance from others.
 
  In addition to offering the accessible version of QuickBooks with
  screen reader enhancements, My Blind Spot has developed a User's
 Guide
  as well as a broad selection of self-paced virtual lessons that
  demonstrate the ease of keyboard navigation for accounting,
  bookkeeping 

RE: XP and JAWS

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

15. FS is shutting down XP support with 16.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mario
 Brusco via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 3:28 PM
 To: Aidan; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: XP and JAWS
 
 hi all, I am giving away an old computer to someone I know. I'm
 attempting to reinstall XP from scratch for her (she's sighted but not
 savvy) and a few other things like security essentials and Google
 chrome. but before I do, I want to install JAWS so I can perform
 Windows Updates after XP is installed.
 what's the last version of JAWS that's suited for XP, I intend to
 install version 14?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Aidan via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 3:52 PM
 Subject: jaws damaged.
 
 
 Hi list, I am running windows7 home premium 32bit. I run jaws15 wich
 is up to date. I cannot open the jaws menu, neither with the shortcut
 keys, and neither from the startmenu. I thought I would try to repair,
 but if I open the latest .exe 32bit download, it just says that this
 version cannot be installed and advice me to go fru control panel wich
 won't work as you only have uninstall options there, no repair option.
 Any ideas as to what to try?
 
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RE: Sending text message to a cell phone via the Internet

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Please send that list to me when you get a chance, it'd be helpful.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cy
 Selfridge via Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 11:35 AM
 To: 'Ford, Tim (CDPH-OLS)'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: Sending text message to a cell phone via the Internet
 
 Hi,
 You can send a text message to a cell phone directly from your
 computer.
 Each carrier has its own address. For example, to send a message to a
 Sprint user you would send the email message to:
 phonenum...@messaging.sprintpcs.com
 I do have a list of all of the carriers if you would like it.
 Cy
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Ford, Tim
 (CDPH-OLS) via Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 10:27 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. (jfw@lists.the-jdh.com)
 Subject: Sending text message to a cell phone via the Internet
 
 There are times I would like to be able to send a text message to a
 cell phone.  Does anyone know of a JAWS accessible web site for such
 purposes?
 
 Tim Ford
 
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RE: looking for an old jaws version

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

What kind of VM are you running? 98 will run Jaws 5 with no problems -- I
know, as my old Pentium II machine I'm using for my MIDI computer in the big
studio setup runs it just fine. I haven't tried it on 95, though.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brandon
 Misch via Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 9:52 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: looking for an old jaws version
 
 i figured as much. well since the version of eloquence can't be used
 all i would need is just the installer from the cd or the cd itself.
 sure that would work in a vm if it's not too much to ask. Think the
 demo on that version was also 40 minutes back then.
 Maybe putting it in a site such as sendspace or dropbox would work if
 possible. Don't really need the auth disk.
 
 On Jun 18, 2014, at 8:37 PM, Brad Martin via Jfw j...@lists.the-
 jdh.com wrote:
 
  I can confirm what Stan has told you here. I too have JFW 3.2, and
 the program itself is on a CD. The floppy is simply to authorize the
 copy of JAWS. But it's not something you could easily send
 electronically. It's not like the installers we download today where
 the whole thing is one file.  Furthermore, most of us are running 64-
 Bit JAWS these days, and I don't think you could make a sixteen year
 old version of Eloquence work with a 64-bit anything. (The files on
 this CD are all dated 1998.) Perhaps I am wrong.
 
  Brad Martin
  b...@formyfriends.org
  www.facebook.com/ucoupons
 
 
  On 6/18/2014 4:34 PM, Stan Bobbitt via Jfw wrote:
  Hi Dave and everyone,
 
  I didn't get a copy of my 1st post back in my Jfw support list
 folder so don't know if it made it through to the list or not. So here
 goes again with an update:
 I just now found the JFW 3.2 software CD. The case is about an
 inch thick. It indeed has a CD disk inside. There's a 2 sided section
 with braille instructions that say to insert the CD and run D:\setup.
 then to insert a diskette when prompted. It looks like there's a place
 for a diskette inside the CD case but I must have stored it somewhere
 else. I guess now I'll rummage through the closet and try to locate
 that diskette.
  update:
  I found 3 floppy disks with braille labels that say:
  JFW
  authorize
  3.2
  henter-joyce
  I'm sure one of them came inside the CD case I described. I'm
 getting ready to put the CD in my PC and see what's on it. I have an
 external USB floppy drive...
 
  The trail is the thing, not the end of the trail..
  Stan Bobbitt
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  shopping page: www.formyfriends.org http://www.formyfriends.org My
  Facebook page where I post online shopping coupons and deals:
  facebook.com/ucoupons http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons
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RE: excel viewer needed.

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Yes, go download Excel Viewer from Microsoft, as it's free. It's your best
option if you only want to view spreadsheets or use them to do calculations
from pre-existing formulae in things others have created.

 -Original Message-
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 Jfw
 Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 4:07 PM
 To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Subject: excell viewer needed.
 
 Hi list, Does anyone no of an accessible excel viewer that work well
 with jaws? Hopefully a free one. Its not worth it to get office just to
 view spread sheets, as I don't use it otherwise. Any ideas?
 
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RE: Messengers

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

There are also built in commands with Jaws for AOL Instant Messenger. Many
blind folks have had decent luck with Miranda, though I could never get its
Yahoo connection to work. Early versions of Trillian also work, but their
later XML stuff is going to need scripting.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Chris
 Smart via Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 12:30 PM
 To: ct; The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Messengers
 
 Skype works great especially with Doug Lee's scripts. Yahoo Messenger
 works.
 
 
 At 01:22 PM 6/15/2014, you wrote:
 Are all the messenger programs/apps usable with JAWS or, if not, are
 any, and which are the best to use?  thank you.
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RE: SQRT in Microsoft XL 2010

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Keystroke -- the shift character for the 6 key.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre
 Jarreau via Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 3:00 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: SQRT in Microsoft XL 2010
 
 Is the ^ command a key stroke or is it a menu item.  Thanks.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nicole
 Massey via Jfw
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:02 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: SQRT in Microsoft XL 2010
 
 ^.5 will do it much easier than trying to use another command, as
 elevating a number to the .5 power is the same thing.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre
  Jarreau via Jfw
  Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:58 PM
  To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
  Subject: SQRT in Microsoft XL 2010
 
  Working in XL I tried to take the square root of a number in cell C3.
  I used =SQRT(C3) but it did not work.  I think the equation is
 right
  but not sure.  Anybody know?
  Thanks
  Thanks
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RE: win amp

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Hopefully this'll get fixed by the new owner of the program.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of JM Casey
 via Jfw
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 8:13 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: win amp
 
 It works fine with jaws, especially if you use the classic layout
 setting.
 However the programme is not being updated any longer at this time.
 This is not something that really bothers me and I plan to keep using
 it, but you should be aware that because Winamp developers had to pay a
 fee to use the Gracenet database, your songs will no longer be auto-
 tagged if you rip them from CD.
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: joe stinton via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: jaws users jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 5:05 AM
 Subject: win amp
 
 
  HI all
 
  after getting my pc fixed I  have lost my copy of win amp and I am
 having
  problems finding  a new copy on the internet!! now there was talk
 some
  time ago about win amp  stopped being  made or  not  working with
 jaws or
  something I cant recall or I might have just made that up who knows
 !!!
  any way so is win amp still being made  if so dose it still work with
 jaws
  wear can I get it from  and lastly   if its not still around or
 doesn't
  work with jaws what are people useing instead?
  I have windows 7 and jaws  12
 
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RE: question about excel

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Also, if you want to total everything in a column or a row adjacent to where
you want the total, press the Alt key and the Equal sign key and hit enter.
Always go back and check your formula to make sure it did what you wanted it
to do.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Anna
 Byrne via Jfw
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:52 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: question about excel
 
 You need a formula to include everything you want totaled.  For
 example, if you want cells b2 through b20 totaled, you would type the
 following:
 
 =sum(b2:b20)
 
 THIS MEANS
 = -- The equal sign tells Excel that the following is a formula.
 sum -- this is a function telling Excel to total the numbers in
 parenthesis
 (b2:b20) -- add up the cells joined by the colon, including everything
 along the way.
 b2+b3+b4+b5+ etc.
 If you want to total cells not adjacent to each other, join them by
 commas.  So b2 + b3 + d4 would be
 =sum(b2,c3,d4)
 
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RE: Odd problem with an Excel spreadsheet.

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Probably because it's hidden, like you suggested. I'm sure someone has the
shortcut key command to unhide rows or columns.

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 Mote via Jfw
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:55 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: Odd problem with an Excel spreadsheet.
 
 Hi folks!  Working on a spreadsheet now, and I have noticed that some
 of my rows aren't speaking.  For example, when I am reading through
 them, it will skip from say A2 to A4.  A3 is there.  I can get to it by
 using the Go to command.  JAWS is not speaking the A3 row.  It is as if
 it is hidden or something.  Why am I not seeing it when I'm scrolling
 through my spreadsheet?
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: SQRT in Microsoft XL 2010

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

I took a great class for my first math credit in college. Instead of some
poorly taught college algebra class where a bunch of math GTA's tried to
force everyone into thinking like math majors, the university I went to
introduced a class that was algebra for non-math majors, called Elementary
Mathematical Modeling. (This was also because it was a big nursing school,
and the nursing students were failing math, which made them do something to
keep turning out nurses) And since I was blind the head of the math
department assigned me my own GTA. I did all my work in Excel for both that
and my statistics class, just him and me in a room in the disability support
center. And I learned all kinds of things.
Think about it, math works on all levels. The goal is to get to 1 for square
roots and exponents, so if something is raised to the power of 2 then to get
it to the power of 1 you need to multiply it by .5. And yes, . etc
is a cube root and .25 is a forth power root.
Excel will also calculate things using both Pi and E and handle statistical
functions. And I built a spreadsheet that handles the quadratic formula,
too.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave
 Carlson via Jfw
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:26 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: SQRT in Microsoft XL 2010
 
 Nicole,
 
 Never knew that about ^.5. Amazing what a storehouse of knowledge we
 have -- if we could only put it all together in one brain.
 
 Dave Carlson
 Future Oregonian, pioneer, landlord, Farfar, musician, and woodworker
 
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 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 07:02 PM
 Subject: RE: SQRT in Microsoft XL 2010
 
 
 ^.5 will do it much easier than trying to use another command, as
 elevating
 a number to the .5 power is the same thing.
 
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  Jarreau via Jfw
  Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:58 PM
  To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
  Subject: SQRT in Microsoft XL 2010
 
  Working in XL I tried to take the square root of a number in cell C3.
  I used =SQRT(C3) but it did not work.  I think the equation is
 right
  but not sure.  Anybody know?
  Thanks
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RE: SQRT in Microsoft XL 2010

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Type this to show it. =9^.5. It'll return a value of 3. The carat designates
a power, and the .5 is what you need for a square root instead of a square
root (^2), cube root, (^3), etc.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Anna
 Byrne via Jfw
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 9:36 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: RE: SQRT in Microsoft XL 2010
 
 ^.5 then what? To find the square root of 9, ???
 
 ^.5 will do it much easier than trying to use another command, as
 elevating a number to the .5 power is the same thing.
 
   -Original Message-
   From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Andre
   Jarreau via Jfw
   Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:58 PM
   To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
   Subject: SQRT in Microsoft XL 2010
  
   Working in XL I tried to take the square root of a number in cell
 C3.
   I used =SQRT(C3) but it did not work.  I think the equation is
   right but not sure.  Anybody know?
   Thanks
   Thanks
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RE: deleting rows in tables

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Are you working in Word or Excel? This makes a huge difference.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara
 Hansen via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 7:05 AM
 To: Jfw lists
 Subject: deleting rows in tables
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 
 
 I appreciate the discussion on this list, as I am always learning
 something new.
 
 
 
 I do need your help with deleting rows in a table, using MS Office 2010
 and Jaws 15. I am using a laptop computer with windows 8.0. I cannot
 seem to find this feature in the ribbon menus.
 
 Your input on this would be very helpful.
 
 
 
 Barbara Hansen
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: deleting rows in tables

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

In Excel I find it far more useful to get to know the Control Plus and
Control Minus keystrokes, as they allow you to do so much more from the same
keystroke depending on the situation.
To delete a row or column, select a cell to be deleted and hit Control and
Minus. This will give you a dialog  that asks you what you want to do --
delete the column, move cells up, move cells right, or delete the entire
row. You can use Control and Plus to add, with the same options.
If you select a row or column and then place your cursor on another row or
column Pressing Control and Plus will insert that column information there.
Be careful, though, as if any other columns or rows are longer than what you
selected then your data is going to get messed up, as it won't add empty
cells to keep the integrity of the data in that longer row or column.
These are fast shortcuts that don't involve any ribbons and have worked at
least back to Excel 2000. (Probably further back, but I didn't know about
them back then)
I don't know if this will work in Word -- I'll try it when I happen upon a
document that has a table in it.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Allen
 Stutts via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 7:44 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: RE: deleting rows in tables
 
 Right. My instructions wer for Word.
 
 For Excel to delete a column select it with Control + spacebar. Then
 hit delete.
 
 For Excel to delete a ro hit Shift + spacebar. Then hit delete.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Nicole Massey via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Sent: May 29, 2014 8:30 AM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Subject: RE: deleting rows in tables
 
 Are you working in Word or Excel? This makes a huge difference.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
 Barbara
  Hansen via Jfw
  Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 7:05 AM
  To: Jfw lists
  Subject: deleting rows in tables
 
  Hello everyone,
 
 
 
  I appreciate the discussion on this list, as I am always learning
  something new.
 
 
 
  I do need your help with deleting rows in a table, using MS Office
  2010 and Jaws 15. I am using a laptop computer with windows 8.0. I
  cannot seem to find this feature in the ribbon menus.
 
  Your input on this would be very helpful.
 
 
 
  Barbara Hansen
 
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RE: changing startup of JAWS

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

It seems like it might be possible to tell it to do other things, too, like
pulling a daily aphorism , the output from something like the Murphy.exe or
Fnord.exe random text generators, or possibly playing an audio file, but I
don't know enough about Jaws scripting to know if these things are really
possible or not.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Philip
 Hall via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:04 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: changing startup of JAWS
 
 Hi.
 The time is pretty easy with a simple script.
 At one time, I had a script that would say different things depending
 on the time of day, I.E. morning, afternoon, evening or night.
 Not sure how you would get the temperature and forcast unless you could
 tap into researchit.
 Phil
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria
 Campbell via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:34 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: changing startup of JAWS
 
 You're kidding, right?
 
 
 Sunny Day
 Maria Campbell
 lucky1i...@sbcglobal.net
 
 On 5/29/2014 3:14 PM, Jeff M. via Jfw wrote:
  I liked what was said about changing what JAWS says when you start it
 up.
 
  I would love it to say:
 
  The time
 
  The current temperature
 
  The forecast
 
  Would this require a script?
 
  Would FS support write such a script?
 
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RE: wonderful Yahoo

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Is the Reply to sender link right after the tear line gone too?

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cy
 Selfridge via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 2:25 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: wonderful Yahoo
 
 Okay, this is interesting.
 
 From all I can determine one can no longer pull the email address of
 the sender from the open message. The person's name and such is just
 flat not there. (LOLLOL)
 
 I find that I have to select the unopened email and then copy the email
 line from the list in order to get this information.
 
 Nice feature huh?
 
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Usenet News Readers Under Windows 7

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Morning folks,
I'm looking for a good program to read newsgroups under Windows 7. I don't want 
to use WLM or Thunderbird to do it, and it needs to work well with Jaws 15 and 
I'd prefer that it also support multiple NNTP providers and accounts. Anyone 
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RE: Usenet News Readers Under Windows 7

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Yeah, Thunderbird and Firefox crash too often for my tastes.
Yes, there are several great newsgroups that have traffic. In fact, a lot of
them have less annoying stuff on them now that they require a bit more to
access them again.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad
 Martin via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:57 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Usenet News Readers Under Windows 7
 
 Wow! I had forgotten about Usenet. Are there still active newsgroups
 out there? Dumb question; I guess there are if you're trying to read
 them.
 
 Honestly, I haven't used Usenet since Internet Mail and News for
 Windows 95. (Internet Mail and News was the program that became Outlook
 Express.) Is there a particular reason you're avoiding Thunderbird? I
 love the way it handles my mail.
 
 Brad
 
 
 On 5/15/2014 10:27 AM, Nicole Massey via Jfw wrote:
  Morning folks,
  I'm looking for a good program to read newsgroups under Windows 7. I
 don't want to use WLM or Thunderbird to do it, and it needs to work
 well with Jaws 15 and I'd prefer that it also support multiple NNTP
 providers and accounts. Anyone got any reliable suggestions?
 
 
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RE: Usenet News Readers Under Windows 7

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

I've had Firefox crash on me just about every time I've run it, so I don't
feel the love enough to try Thunderbird.
I was looking for something a bite more freeware, though -- my fixed income
already seems broken at the end of each month, so expending anything on
software right now isn't in the budget.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad
 Martin via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:57 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Usenet News Readers Under Windows 7
 
 Hmmm, I honestly don't think Thunderbird has ever crashed on me. I
 investigated a little; it looks like they still make Forte Agent, but
 I've never used it to know if it works with JAWS, and it's not free; it
 costs $29.99. It's an old program that's been around since 1994.  We
 used to have clients who used it under Windows 3.1 back in the day. Now
 it's Windows 8 compatible. www.forteinc.com for more info.
 
 Brad
 
 On 5/15/2014 10:15 PM, Nicole Massey via Jfw wrote:
  Yeah, Thunderbird and Firefox crash too often for my tastes.
  Yes, there are several great newsgroups that have traffic. In fact, a
 lot of
  them have less annoying stuff on them now that they require a bit
 more to
  access them again.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad
  Martin via Jfw
  Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 8:57 PM
  To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
  Subject: Re: Usenet News Readers Under Windows 7
 
  Wow! I had forgotten about Usenet. Are there still active newsgroups
  out there? Dumb question; I guess there are if you're trying to read
  them.
 
  Honestly, I haven't used Usenet since Internet Mail and News for
  Windows 95. (Internet Mail and News was the program that became
 Outlook
  Express.) Is there a particular reason you're avoiding Thunderbird?
 I
  love the way it handles my mail.
 
  Brad
 
 
  On 5/15/2014 10:27 AM, Nicole Massey via Jfw wrote:
  Morning folks,
  I'm looking for a good program to read newsgroups under Windows 7.
 I
  don't want to use WLM or Thunderbird to do it, and it needs to work
  well with Jaws 15 and I'd prefer that it also support multiple NNTP
  providers and accounts. Anyone got any reliable suggestions?
 
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RE: Screen Readers

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

Is System Access still free and in production?

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mario
 Brusco via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Screen Readers
 
 there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, which I
 would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, like Lequendo's
 Allison.
 
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 From: Anna Byrne via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM
 Subject: RE: Screen Readers
 
 
 Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't.  The voice is
 awful, but it was a good reader.
 At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
 A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK, Thunder
 screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of programs--a
 basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.
 
 Ted
 
 -Original Message-
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 Brusco via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Screen Readers
 
 Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only one
 that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.
 
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 From: Kevin Hourigan via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
 Subject: Screen Readers
 
 
 Hello Listers,
 Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for free
 please?
 So I can compare them to Jaws.
 Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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RE: Screen Readers

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

A trusted source, yes.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of RJ
 Sandefur via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:38 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Subject: Re: Screen Readers
 
 Is this based upon facts? RJ
 - Original Message -
 From: Nicole Massey via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:25 AM
 Subject: RE: Screen Readers
 
 
  Indications are that Window Eyes is also on its way down the chute.
 This
  move to offer it free with Office is a desperation maneuver, and
 since
  Narrator will (hopefully, if the reports are correct) be scriptable
 in
  Windows 9 it doesn't look good for GW Micro.
  Jaws will probably hang on a bit longer thanks to existing scripts
 and
  legacy programs, but this is not good news for any add-on screen
 reader
  company.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gerald
  Levy via Jfw
  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:17 AM
  To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
  Subject: Re: Screen Readers
 
 
  Well, Serotek is still in business, so I guess System Access is till
  around, but who knows for how long?  Now that Mike Calvo is gone,
 and
  Window Eyes is being offered free to users of Office 2010 and 2013,
 not
  to mention NVDA, which is also free, it is hard to see how Serotek
 can
  remain a viable competitor in the cscreen reader market.
 
  Gerald
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Nicole Massey via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
  To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:02 AM
  Subject: RE: Screen Readers
 
 
   Is System Access still free and in production?
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
 Mario
   Brusco via Jfw
   Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:59 AM
   To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
   Subject: Re: Screen Readers
  
   there also is the built in one in Windows called narrator, which
 I
   would like to purchase something to replace MS Anna, like
 Lequendo's
   Allison.
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Anna Byrne via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
   To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
   Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 9:25 AM
   Subject: RE: Screen Readers
  
  
   Thunder used to read MS Access when JAWS wouldn't.  The voice is
   awful, but it was a good reader.
   At 06:51 AM 5/9/2014, you wrote:
   A couple of years ago, there was another one from The UK,
 Thunder
   screen Reader. It's the feature attraction in a suite of
 programs--
  a
   basic PDF reader, Internet radio guide, and other stuff.
   
   Ted
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
 Mario
   Brusco via Jfw
   Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:47 PM
   To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
   Subject: Re: Screen Readers
   
   Non Visual Desktop Access (NVDA) from nvaccess.org is the only
 one
   that I know of that's free, but a donation is encouraged.
   
   - Original Message -
   From: Kevin Hourigan via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
   To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
   Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:33 PM
   Subject: Screen Readers
   
   
   Hello Listers,
   Could anyone post some of the screen readers downloadable for
 free
   please?
   So I can compare them to Jaws.
   Thanks Kevin Hourigan.
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RE: Screen Readers

[Nicole Massey via Jfw]

I suspect NVDA will have the easiest time of it early on, as they're already
a donationware product, but otherwise I suspect the for profit offerings
will shrink and the smaller ones will go first. I also think that the more
diversified companies that don't have all their eggs in one basket will
handle this better.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cy
 Selfridge via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 3:41 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: Screen Readers
 
 Hi Nicole,
 When the original blurb came across about GW Micro there were some
 caveats about support.
 I never followed any of them up but it appeared to me that the free
 version came with little or no support. You could, of course, purchase
 a maintenance agreement and have full support.
 Now, after I posted the thing about Microsoft running off other
 companies I gave it more thought and you do have a valid point.
 It will be most interesting to see which snake crawls in bed with which
 other snake. (LOLLOLLOL) I suspet that several companies may well be
 looking down the gun barrel wondering when the bullet will come flying
 out. (LOLLOL) Someone mentioned Sendaro and I wlso wonder how long they
 can survive charging a grand for a navagation system which can be had
 for very little or even free on the iPhones and other i-devices.
 I did notice a special offer from Sendaro for the Braille Notes but
 have not looked into it either.
 I can safely say that the future should be most interesting indeed.
 I have not renewed my SMA with Fs and mnay not ever do so.
 Cy
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nicole
 Massey via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 2:27 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Subject: RE: Screen Readers
 
 The big question I keep coming back to is how GW Micro, which is
 structured as a for profit company, is going to make any money from
 giving it away for free to use with Office. I understand their angle,
 that they might get people to buy it if they get used to using it with
 Word et al, but I don't think that's going to work how they want it to.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa
  Peterson via Jfw
  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 12:59 PM
  To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
  Subject: RE: Screen Readers
 
  Hi Kimber,
 
  I haven't tried the free Window-eyes offer yet, but I'm reading mixed
  reviews on the various lists I'm on. Some people really love it, but
  others are having major issues. I guess that's why I haven't tried it
  yet. In other words, I don't think you're alone.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimber
  Gardner via Jfw
  Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 1:55 PM
  To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
  Subject: Re: Screen Readers
 
  Just as a point of information with no judgment intended, I recently
  purchased Office 2013 and thought I'd take advantage of the free
  Window Eyes offer to take it for a test drive. Aside from the fact I
  found the command structure rather confusing, window eyes
 consistently
  crashed my laptop. This happened so often I decided to take it off my
  system and won't be returning to it any time soon.
 
  Your milage, as they say, may vary. But I'm curious to know if this
  happened because the two screen readers were vying for the eloquence
  synthesizer? Or is there some other inherent conflict between JFW and
  WE?
 
  I have since chosen to use NVDA as my backup screen reader for when
  Jaws takes a dive.
 
  Thoughts?
 
  Kimber
 
  On 5/9/14, James Malone via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
   Just a heads up, I've been asked to try and use the jaws set AP
  within
   window-eyes. A lot of clients that can't afford to keep up with
   their
  plans
   to upgrade Jaws is getting their systems preloaded with Window-Eyes
   and word. This is included with their new system.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
 Judith
   Bron via Jfw
   Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 8:08 AM
   To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
   Subject: RE: Screen Readers
  
   GW Micro is also making window eyes available in the maimn menu of
   Microsoft products.  Eventually, at this rate, all of us will be
  using
   window eyes.
   Judith
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cy
   Selfridge via Jfw
   Sent: Friday, May 09, 2014 10:57 AM
   To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
   Subject: RE: Screen Readers
  
   I absolutely agree with you in this.
   With government funding getting shorter and shorter FS may have
   problems selling their wares to their largest client.
   Cy
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
 Gerald
   Levy via Jfw
   Sent: Friday