[k-9-mail] Re: Bottom icons/toolbar broken with upgrade

2017-07-16 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE

They are not missing; they have moved to the top of screen, or in the top 
right menu.

This move also disapoints me very much. 

I have changed phone completely: android 4 => 7; brand HTC => Oukitel. 
Screen physical size and DPI are completely different. 

So the change in look could be related to many things. 

I used to like the bottom bar; it was easier to access for my fingers; 
reaching the top of a 5.8" screen with a single hand is painfull.

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Re: [k-9-mail] Feature request: an 'exit' button

2017-04-06 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
Some Rom implement force kill when long press back button. Not supported 
natively in my Rom, I gained the feature via xposed.

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[k-9-mail] Re: SPAM Filter

2017-04-06 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
Thunderbird is a desktop app which runs on machines with 1TB disk, quad 4G cpu, 
20 GB ram, and disks able to feed 300MB/s. It has the ressources to perform 
very complex rules and neural network. Mobile phones won't have these 
ressources before years. And TB is not doing good job (basic features are still 
stated as feature requests since over 13 years in bugzilla ). 

The best k9 could do is, have a spam button, and notify server that some 
message is a spam. Not even sure imap supports this.

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[k-9-mail] Printing EMails

2017-04-06 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
Print best works via share to printing app. Try things like printbot or other 
similar names. 

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[k-9-mail] Multiple dumb questions

2017-04-06 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
1. Maybe website documentation. Not sure. 

2. You have to manually set identical settings for each account. In each 
account, menu, account settings. 

3 not in k9. I do it via Tasker. Set a rule to detect which WiFi you are 
connected to, when close to loved ones, enable sync. When disconnected from 
loved ones, disable sync. 

4. Idem : tasker. Prefer imap sync, avoid push.

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[k-9-mail] Headers in Messages

2017-04-06 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
View the received message, menu view source, select all and copy. Works for me. 

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[k-9-mail] Username and Password incorrect

2017-04-06 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
Incorrect password can be sometimes a false messages. Real cause might be time 
set incorrectly on one side, expired certificate, or client rejected by Google 
for a random reason . 

Also avoid crazy  symbols in password. Long chain of letters is safer than 
short with symbols. 

The shame is that passwords are often limited to 16c, and this is highly 
insecure. All password fields should require at least 24c, and allow between 
128 and 1024c. 

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[k-9-mail] draft broken - regression bug - important

2017-04-06 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
Editing old messages (saved more than 2 weeks ago ) works fine (editor shows 
non empty body content )

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[k-9-mail] draft broken - regression bug - important

2017-04-06 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
>From inbox, Start a message, write a body, press back key, confirm saving. Go 
>in draft folder, see top message shows the body you typed, tap on message to 
>edit it, message editor shows empty body. 

Latest stable official k9 (not beta ) updated 13d ago. 

Android 4.

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[k-9-mail] draft broken - regression bug - important

2017-04-06 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
They are hard to describe, but there are many cases where drafts are lost. This 
is receent since last update.

On test case: start a message with title and small body, switch app (k9 says it 
will save draft ), comme back to k9 by app switch (directly in email editor ). 
Go to desktop, start k9 via icon (it will start main interface ), go in draft 
folders, open last message, title is good, body is empty. 

Sometimes the folder menu may show begin of body in folder view, proving its 
stored somewhere, but taping message to edit it, body is empty. 

This is a critical case : data loss (or inaccessible ) while app said data were 
saved.

In some case (draft on imap ), the body messages is already sync and can be 
retrieved on server, even when k9 will start editor with empty body. I use k9 
since 4y, never had that bug. It's recent. 

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Re: [k-9-mail] Switching Wifi on mobile phone will make Thunderbird complain about connexion impossible - Gmail - Imap.

2016-01-29 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE


>
> This mostly sounds like a server limitation issue. 
>
>
Basicly, yes. But I hope there is a fix at K9 level.
 

> By default, if you are logged in, an IMAP client will hold one login 
> connection per account and one connection for each mailbox/folder 
> that is "open". With clients in a non-mobile environment, that means 
> that if you have one account and have 50 mailboxes open, you'll have 
> 51 connections open -- in just one client. If you connect and open 
> mailboxes with a second client you'll add to that count. 
>
>
So, you are saying 12 folders will use 12 connexions ?

Are you talking about sync, or push ?

I have seen 30mn ago that I had miss configured many things. I had 8 
folders in class 2, and class 2 was set to push; this means my class 2 was 
using 8 connexions (one per push folder).
 

> K-9 may hold connections differently with on wifi vs. cell data,


especially for me, because tasker removes the SYNC flag when I loose wifi.
 

> but 
> with wifi it holds a connection open while you have it open (your 
> push/sync settings may effect this). I'm not in a position to easily 
> check what happens in a cell data environment. The server may close 
> a non-active connection after a period of time (e.g., after 30min if 
> the account push is at say 4 hour intervals), but that's way beyond 
> the client's control. 
>

There is a heartbeat to prevent this. Server closes connexion only when 
heart beat is too low (or too many beats have been missed). I had this 
setting available years ago, on my Nokia N95 ( push was pretty new back 
then).
 

>
> If you close/unload K-9 (e.g., with a "swipe close") I believe it 
> closes all connections. 
>

No. Not for me.

Maybe ... if ... I close K9 gently (not even sure we can). Force killing K9 
does not help. Switching wifi off does not help. I have to wait at least 
10mn to be able to connect with TB. The only quick fix I have found was to 
login Gmail-webmail, and in the DETAIL link bottom right, I can close all 
active connexions. The list given does not give all actual connexions 
(Gkrellm never appears there); but I can kill every one, and then TB will 
work.
 

>
> So, I believe you are simply running into an issue with the stateful 
> way that IMAP (*Interactive*MailAccessProtocol) opens and holds 
> connections, and that gmail is now seemingly constraining that 
> count. I.e., this isn't a TB or K-9 (or any other IMAP client) issue. 
>
> [please only reply to the list - do not include my direct address in 
> your reply.] 
>


Oups, sorry,  ticked something by mistake yesterday night. Did not intend 
to send you copies of messages. I ticked "original author"; I thought it 
meant ME as author of first message of discussion; obviously was "author of 
message I answer to".

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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Where shall we report bugs ?

2016-01-29 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE


>
> I think it's important to differentiate between bug reports, feature 
> requests and understanding how to get an application to do what you 
> want. 
>

Very good remark: on this point, since you insist on it: Bugzilla (used by 
Xorg and Gentoo) and Debian tracking system do make this subtile 
difference; Github does not.
 

>
> My preference is to be able to select which part (text vs html) of a 
> multi-part message is displayed by default by the mail client.


Half wrong. The message editor GUI shows your reply first; but in the sent 
message, it will be put after 
 

>   The same would 
> apply to things like the size and placement of a checkbox, clickable 
> option or the overall design. I'm not saying there aren't bugs in 
> K-9, just that a design that you don't like is design that you don't 
> like, not a bug. 
>

The implementation of the bug render the "selection" feature very hard to 
use on daily basis. After failing 3 times to select a message, I just put 
the phone down and grab a desktop or use an other MUA.

A feature request is when "hey, your app does not do this, I want it".

When it's "your app claims you can do this, but in practice, I can't 
because you made it a way it does not work".

On bleeding edge, we could say "the app should be able to fetch messages, 
but, some times it does not". How much should a MUA be able to connect 
IMAP, saturate memory, print garbage on screen ? where is the limit between 
bug and FC ? 

K9 is OBVIOUSLY designed to ... fetch Imap (many MUA just don't stand 
Imap), print message on screen, and tick box to select several messages. 
But the last point is not usable for me on my phone.

Same for draft saving: will consider my draft not saved when attaching a 
file as a FC ? I definitely can't: it does not do it, but really, it 
should. But I am pretty sure that from YOUR pov you will claim it's an FC 
...

If you want a list of things K9 is not designed to do: advanced filtering, 
automated archive of messages, handle GPG, play attached videos, give TXT 
preview for PDF files ...
 

>
> If your mail accounts/boxes are exclusively in gmail (as appears to 
> be the case) you might want to look at the android gmail client or 
> their "inbox" product. You might find them more to your liking. 
> Personally I don't, so I don't use them - I don't file bug reports 
> about their design. 
>

Really, Gmail app was very bad years ago, and it's worst and worst with 
time. HTC mail was almost fine 5 years ago. They have introduced regression 
bugs in recent versions. K9 is way better than those unstable big apps. 
Those big companies don't care about regression bugs, and don't ever fix 
anything. Especially, the new version of Google everything (pick any app) 
just expect you to catch 4g everywhere on earth. They are deadly slow with 
3g, absolutely impossible to connect with 2g (even using 2.5 available in 
France and Japan), and if you are in a dark zone, you barely can start the 
app (don't even think about getting the main screen: it will complain about 
no network way before you get to see any content).  With new gmail app, you 
can't even write a draft offline (same for calendar, notes, tasks ...).

I only use Google servers (and going to stop soon). I don't use any Google 
user front-end, they sux.

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Re: [k-9-mail] How to get android notification only for inbox, and not for all sync folders ?

2016-01-29 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
Even this interface has a bug: if I select a part of your message BEFORE 
clicking reply, it will quote the whole message; Gmail would quote only 
selected part. Google pretends to be smooth, intuitive, coherent and 
homogenous, but it is not: similar products do not behave the same.


> So, if I'm reading it correctly -- you have one (gmail) IMAP account 
> with a large number of mailboxes/folders. You want some of these 
> mailboxes to be "polled" (in the generic use of that term) on a 
> regular basis. You only want notifications when there is new mail in 
> a certain one of these "polled" mailboxes. 
>
> In my earlier post I think I gave the necessary bits for the 
> selective notifications. 
>

After one night, it seems it's behaving as I want. For this part: THANK 
YOU. I have way less notifications now, but folders still seem sync.
 

>
> In terms of polling, the frequency of "syncing" (explicit mailbox 
> updating) is at an account level. You can set that frequency to be 
> every minute on up to every 24 hours (or "none"). Which folders are 
> polled/synced is controlled by the account level "poll folders" 
> setting and the corresponding "folder sync class" at the folder 
> level. I.e., this is basically the same as the way you control 
> notifications. You can set "push" up the same way - though with 
> "push" there is no concept of "frequency". 
>
>
There is ... it's the heartbeat; on K9: account settings > fetch > advanced 
> refresh connexion

Was I right in my definition of push ? or is it something else in K9 ? 

I can tel that class 1 is push, and class 2 is sync, but I Can not allow 
class 1 all the time (wifi + GSM), and limit class 2 to wifi.

What I did to limit GSM data usage is to ask tasker to remove the SYNC flag 
at Android level when I loose wifi. K9 will sync accordingly to the sync 
setting of android. When I catch wifi, Tasker sets sync, and will perform 
everything. When I loose wifi, Tasker removes sync, and this limits GSM 
abuse (I have found that Play may perform heavy updates over GSM data, even 
when the tick box is set to prevent it. Many other apps just don't care 
about GSM, but most care about the sync flag).

I would like K9 to be adult, and handle this by itself.

Some users may want even more complex things; and I feel like without the 
help of Tasker, it's just impossible. And we are not discussing about 
esthetisme of a GUI: this has heavy impact on data usage, and billing 
amount. I have a large data fair use: 3GB (I usually use below 800MB if I 
don't look at videos, or use Skype); but some people close to me only have 
50M: any mistake or bug in android can burn that fair use in seconds (4g 
can allow up to 6MB/s: you burn 50M in 9s ... An Android update can easily 
be 1.2G ).

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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Where shall we report bugs ?

2016-01-28 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
Check Doublehp on various BTS ... less than 10% of my bugs are marqued as 
dup. 50% are rather marked as WONTFIX after 5 or 8 years, because dev are 
bored making things work. Especially Thunderbird and Xorg, they don't spend 
time making things work; they just add broken and useless features so they 
can claim the GUI is glossy and siny. I am not one of those who can't 
distinguish between what I want, and what should happen.

Fact is, there are critical bugs I have reported more than one year ago 
which are not fixed yet (tap on links in messages may refuse to launch URL 
depending on zoom scale: works better in zoom out; the more you zoom in, 
the les chance you have to be able to open links); and I am about to change 
MUA because of them; the issue is that many people claime K9 is the best 
MUA for Android, and I really don't know which one else I could try.

Edge case: on some points, K9 works like it's been designed; but it's been 
conceived a very bad way; and I will report those design flaw as being 
bugs, because the design is either counter intuitive, or completely 
unpratical (selection box in folder view: tap 10 piexls on the left of the 
box, and you view it: the sensible box is perfectly matching the visible 
box; but the sensible box for selection should be as large as the height of 
line; the actual sensible zone on left of box should produce selection, not 
viewing).

But since I am an experienced reporter, I most often check for dups before 
reporting.

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[k-9-mail] Switching Wifi on mobile phone will make Thunderbird complain about connexion impossible - Gmail - Imap.

2016-01-28 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
I have K9 on my phone. Some accounts are sync over GSM-data, and all of 
them when Wifi is available.

On desktop, Mozilla Thunderbird.

Using one (and only one) Gmail account (Google/apps), and always via Imap.

Whatever the order in which I come to this point ... when I start at the 
same time Thunderbird, and allow Fifi on the phone, TB complains it can not 
reach my email account, server reports too many connexions.

I have one other Email notification app that may happen to complain, 
randomly, most often when phone as wifi one; usually not otherwise 
(Gkrellm). 

Phone will switch Wifi to sleep mode after 15mn screen off. Wifi will come 
back as soon as I switch phone screen on. If phone was iddle for 4h, and TB 
is open, at the time I use the phone, TB will complain (within 20 or 30s).

TB handles several user accounts on Gmail; issue warning is only and always 
only about the user account shared with the phone (my main Android 
account). Other accounts always work fine.

I do not know if TB and K9 are using sync or push. 

I know Gmail team has implemented an account connexion limitation around 
november 2014; before 2014 there was no limite, or it was at least 100. In 
fall 2014 they have put the limite to be 10 connexions per account; after a 
few months, they raised the value to 15. Or maybe it was 2013, I forgot.

But Today, I am pissed of this.

After checking various network monitoring tools, I have found that the 
cause of problem on phone side is K9-mail app. I first thought it was the 
Android system during global account sync, but it seems like if I disable 
K9 (freese app using TX-Toolbox, or any other "app disabler") the problem 
stops, or becomes less frequent.

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[k-9-mail] How to get android notification only for inbox, and not for all sync folders ?

2016-01-27 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
I have read all doc, but still can't configure k9 the way I need.

I want to sync my phone to 12 folders permanently (at least once a day, 
ideally once per hour ), to have those messages permanently available for 
off line use . They must be fresh and readable when I don't have network. 

But I want to have new message notification only for one (inbox).

I know it's about classes 1 and 2, but I always get system notifications 
for new messages for all folders, all day long. 

I want to have notifications only for inbox. Other folders must only be 
sync, and never show notifications for new messages.

How do I do that ? 

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[k-9-mail] Re: Where shall we report bugs ?

2016-01-27 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
Automated reply says this place is for user support. Bug reporting is not 
user support !!!

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[k-9-mail] Re: What is the difference between delete and erase?

2014-07-26 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
I don't know about K9 in particular, but, from personnal experience on 
Thunderbird:
- delete in cache (action will be performed on next sync)
- move to trash (in cache)

- perform action NOW (sync immediately)

- mark as deleted
- remove message from folder (expunge)

so ... many things can happen with Imap :)

On Saturday, 26 July 2014 17:07:20 UTC+2, bxst...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 When I goto Account settings then there are two different options in 
 section Fetching mail:

 1.) When I delete a message---Delete from server
 2.) Erase deleted messages on server---Immediately

 Whats the difference?

 What if the contradict each other?

 Ben


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[k-9-mail] Re: No Work

2014-07-21 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
If you want help, you need to explain things in details.

On Monday, 21 July 2014 06:38:33 UTC+2, Phillip James wrote:

 Downloaded k 9 multiple times but can not get to work/server settings



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[k-9-mail] Re: Font TOO Dark

2014-07-21 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
I am using dark theme, all my contacts are in Gmail, and never had this 
issue, can you be more specific ?

On Monday, 21 July 2014 04:40:09 UTC+2, VoiceArtistUSA wrote:

 When using the dark theme, if a contacts' email address is saved in 
 android contacts, the font for To: is in dark blue and is hard to read.


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[k-9-mail] Re: Stop multiple accounts from polling?

2014-07-21 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
Install a widget that can toggle auto-sync. When auto-sync is OFF, K9 
should stop doing sync.

You can also use more complex tools like Tasker to allow sync over Wifi, 
and disable it over GSM.

On Monday, 21 July 2014 14:48:35 UTC+2, Doug Kanter wrote:

 I have 3 email accounts set up in K9, and there are times when I'd like to 
 stop them all from polling/synching or whatever you want to call it. I know 
 I can do this by going into Settings for each account, but is there a way 
 to do this with just one switch? If not, this would be a great feature to 
 have.


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[k-9-mail] Re: How to create new folder

2014-07-20 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
Thunderbird deeply sux ... but ... I have never seen any email software on 
mobile phone able to do this kind of things (and many other, like filtering 
rules).

If your email services offers a webinterface, try it via various browsers 
(from phone; try everal, some may sux: Chrome, Opera, Opera Mini, Dolphin, 
Firefox ... and much more).If your email service does not offer 
webinterface, but, does support IMAP (since you are talking forlders, you 
must be using imap), and have a friend hosting some webserver, you can ask 
him to setup a webmail reader for you. There are also public webmail 
readers, but they will ask you almost everything each time you connect 
(starting by imap server address) ... unless they store it in cookie (could 
be a good idea for mobile phone users).

If using Gmail, the Gmail app may be ablt to let you manage tags; not sure.

On Sunday, 20 July 2014 13:49:05 UTC+2, Ingrid wrote:

 Is it not possible to create a new folder in K-9 like in Thunderbird?


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[k-9-mail] Re: Number of emails shown

2014-07-18 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
menu  pref  account  sync folders  number of messages

and just below, you got max age of messages ...

On Friday, 18 July 2014 22:24:22 UTC+2, jsqua...@gmail.com wrote:

 Where can I find that setting? 

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[k-9-mail] Re: Does not sync to server

2014-07-15 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
If you are using thunderbird, there are known bugs about this, and it's a 
TB issue.

On Monday, 14 July 2014 16:29:59 UTC+2, Emil Alvemark wrote:

 Hi,

 I have used your app for many years and love it. But now when i have 
 bought a new phone it does not sync to the server.I got notifications when 
 I got a new message and I have set to update every 10 minutes.

 When I read a message on the phone its still unread on the computer.

 Please help, what settings do I need?



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[k-9-mail] Re: K-9 Auto Fetch issues

2014-07-12 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
Pop sux. Try Imap.

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[k-9-mail] Re: Download only the most recent emails

2014-07-12 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
This depends on the server, and how messages are stored. I don't think it's 
a MUA issue, but rather a server issue.

To avoid this, every year, I move all old messages to a year folder. Most 
messages go to archives, but, messages I want to keep around stick in 
inbox; that's only 250 per year for me (more than 10 times more are 
archived; and I have again 10 times more spam). So, in Inbox folder, I have 
one subfolder per year.

On Saturday, 12 July 2014 12:30:13 UTC+2, Thomas Bergen wrote:

 Hi guys,

 I can't find the answer with the search option: how can I only download 
 the most recent 50 or 100 emails of my server folder?
 Basically I have a pop3 account with 12000 emails in the inbox folder and 
 I only want to download say the most recent 50 emails. However when I sync 
 it it downloads the first 50 emails of the folder which date back to 
 2008...

 Any help greatly appreciated. Thank you!

 Thomas



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Re: [k-9-mail] Re: Download only the most recent emails

2014-07-12 Thread Benoit-Pierre DEMAINE
My mistake ... you are right. Pop REALLY sux ...

On Saturday, 12 July 2014 23:57:05 UTC+2, Rob Sharp wrote:

 You can't have folders server-side with a pop3 account, can you?


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