Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Wayne Stambaugh]

Thanks Chris!  You got to this before I had a chance to respond.  We
need to calm down and move forward with the stable 5 release.  Getting
hung up on icon details isn't going to get us anywhere.  I should have
pushed all of the off until v6.  Lesson learned.  Now that it's merged,
I will only accept minor tweaks to existing icons.  If you want to do
any significant icon changes, it will have to wait for v6.

On 01/16/2018 12:15 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> Can't we quit this icon bickering? Opinions are like buttholes, you all
> have one and I'm not the least bit interested in seeing yours.
> 
> This thread is getting _exhausting_. Everyone stop replacing everyone's
> icons constantly, everyone stop nitpicking, everyone just go home and
> find something better to do. Maybe someday we'll be able to hire a
> graphic designer to overhaul our stuff - at which point we need to all
> agree that their word is law. Until then let's just be happy we _have_
> icons.

When I was your age, we didn't even have icons.  All we had were
characters and we liked it! Sorry, couldn't resist! :)

> 
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 10:57:12AM +, Jörg Hermann wrote:
>> A majority of participants on the ML found the new icons a step forward and 
>> we have a commit.
>> We won’t ever reach a point where we can satisfy everybody, so we must live 
>> with the democratic majority.
>> All concerns and inputs raised after the commit are sound, valid and wise 
>> and should be considered for V6.
>>
>> Again I ask, no beg, everybody to get V5 out of the door and not be 
>> distracted by minuscule details like icon design.
>>
>> Don’t get me wrong: UI design is IMPORTANT, icon design is ART and 
>> KNOWLEDGE, but in the bigger picture of the pile of work that represents the 
>> Kicad project as a whole, it is a rather minor feature. I feel this because 
>> Kicad is used by technical driven people, who usually don't care that much 
>> about aesthetics, as long as the knob gets the job done.
>>
>> My 2 ct.
>> Jörg
>>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Chris Pavlina]

Can't we quit this icon bickering? Opinions are like buttholes, you all
have one and I'm not the least bit interested in seeing yours.

This thread is getting _exhausting_. Everyone stop replacing everyone's
icons constantly, everyone stop nitpicking, everyone just go home and
find something better to do. Maybe someday we'll be able to hire a
graphic designer to overhaul our stuff - at which point we need to all
agree that their word is law. Until then let's just be happy we _have_
icons.

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 10:57:12AM +, Jörg Hermann wrote:
> A majority of participants on the ML found the new icons a step forward and 
> we have a commit.
> We won’t ever reach a point where we can satisfy everybody, so we must live 
> with the democratic majority.
> All concerns and inputs raised after the commit are sound, valid and wise and 
> should be considered for V6.
> 
> Again I ask, no beg, everybody to get V5 out of the door and not be 
> distracted by minuscule details like icon design.
> 
> Don’t get me wrong: UI design is IMPORTANT, icon design is ART and KNOWLEDGE, 
> but in the bigger picture of the pile of work that represents the Kicad 
> project as a whole, it is a rather minor feature. I feel this because Kicad 
> is used by technical driven people, who usually don't care that much about 
> aesthetics, as long as the knob gets the job done.
> 
> My 2 ct.
> Jörg
> 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[kristoffer Ödmark]

For me it feels more natural with thins flowing from left to right, so 
that means moving the import arrow to the left side, and also making it 
flowing into the document.


Export also flow from left to right, so making it flowing from inside 
the document to out on the right side. These are good goals.


I also find that when i load something, the closest analogy is to pick 
it up, and saving is putting it down. Note that these do however not 
flow into or out of any document. Unless you save it somewhere else, in 
that case it would flow out (export) and down (save) a combination of 
exportin and putting it down.


The current icons makes this much more clear and is much much more 
intuitive, but the two things you listed are important. I read someone 
claiming that the new icons wasnt well designed, I disagree. Sure there 
may be some design policy not being followed, I wouldnt know. But at 
least the icons now provide recognition and usability with less 
complexity. Which makes my work faster, since I dont have to read the 
tooltip every time. This is what is most important for me.


Thank you Oliver for taking your time and moving this forward.


On 2018-01-16 12:55, Jeff Young wrote:
I think the in/out axis is more important than the left/right axis. 
 So your suggestion would be an improvement.


On 16 Jan 2018, at 11:40, Oliver Walters 
> wrote:


I think you are all correct. During my revamp of the icons I tried to 
achieve two things:


1. Differentiate between import and export based on arrow direction 
(generally import arrows are right to left, and export are left to right)
2. Place import icons on the left, and export on the right (following 
the "flow" outlined in 1)


However this means that both arrows are effectively flowing "out of" 
the document.


I think that if the import icons are moved to the right hand side, 
then they will then look like they are flowing "into" the document.


Thoughts?

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:10 PM, Jeff Young > wrote:


FWIW, I also agree that the current import arrow is backwards.

> On 16 Jan 2018, at 07:11, Marco Ciampa > wrote:
>
> Hi Oliver, your thoughts?
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 09:09:48AM +0100, jp charras wrote:
>> Le 15/01/2018 à 08:51, Marco Ciampa a écrit :
>>> Hi Oliver,
>>> about the bikeshedding thing I am not even a developer and I
have the
>>> audacity to say my thoughts about the icons!!!
>>>
>>> Follows my 0.002 euro cents
>>>
>>> My very humble opinion is that the import icon is not that
clear and can
>>> be improved alot in this way: just change the direction and
position of
>>> the arrow, the colour could stay as it is, it doesn't matter.
>>>
>>> I mean that the export icon is (almost) ok since it represent
what I
>>> expect in an "export" icon: the "out" direction is clear:
just describe
>>> an arrow that points _out_ of a document.
>>>
>>> Similarly the import icon should represent the "in"
direction: and arrow
>>> that point _into_ a document, not another arrow pointing out
of the same
>>> document but with a different color...
>>
>> I fully agree...
>>
>>>
>>> I mean (ascii art: see it with a monospaced font):
>>>
>>> Export:
>>>
>>> ||
>>> |        | |\
>>> |      |---| \
>>> |      |      \
>>> |      |      /
>>> |      |---| /
>>> |        | |/
>>> ||
>>>
>>> Import:
>>>
>>>  ||
>>>  | |\     |
>>> |---| \    |
>>> |      \   |
>>> |      /   |
>>> |---| /    |
>>>  | |/     |
>>>  ||
>>>
>>>
>>> I think this is much clearer...
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Marco Ciampa
>>
>>
>> --
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Jeff Young]

I think the in/out axis is more important than the left/right axis.  So your 
suggestion would be an improvement.

> On 16 Jan 2018, at 11:40, Oliver Walters  
> wrote:
> 
> I think you are all correct. During my revamp of the icons I tried to achieve 
> two things:
> 
> 1. Differentiate between import and export based on arrow direction 
> (generally import arrows are right to left, and export are left to right)
> 2. Place import icons on the left, and export on the right (following the 
> "flow" outlined in 1)
> 
> However this means that both arrows are effectively flowing "out of" the 
> document.
> 
> I think that if the import icons are moved to the right hand side, then they 
> will then look like they are flowing "into" the document.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:10 PM, Jeff Young  > wrote:
> FWIW, I also agree that the current import arrow is backwards.
> 
> > On 16 Jan 2018, at 07:11, Marco Ciampa  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Oliver, your thoughts?
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 09:09:48AM +0100, jp charras wrote:
> >> Le 15/01/2018 à 08:51, Marco Ciampa a écrit :
> >>> Hi Oliver,
> >>> about the bikeshedding thing I am not even a developer and I have the
> >>> audacity to say my thoughts about the icons!!!
> >>>
> >>> Follows my 0.002 euro cents
> >>>
> >>> My very humble opinion is that the import icon is not that clear and can
> >>> be improved alot in this way: just change the direction and position of
> >>> the arrow, the colour could stay as it is, it doesn't matter.
> >>>
> >>> I mean that the export icon is (almost) ok since it represent what I
> >>> expect in an "export" icon: the "out" direction is clear: just describe
> >>> an arrow that points _out_ of a document.
> >>>
> >>> Similarly the import icon should represent the "in" direction: and arrow
> >>> that point _into_ a document, not another arrow pointing out of the same
> >>> document but with a different color...
> >>
> >> I fully agree...
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I mean (ascii art: see it with a monospaced font):
> >>>
> >>> Export:
> >>>
> >>> ||
> >>> || |\
> >>> |  |---| \
> >>> |  |  \
> >>> |  |  /
> >>> |  |---| /
> >>> || |/
> >>> ||
> >>>
> >>> Import:
> >>>
> >>>  ||
> >>>  | |\ |
> >>> |---| \|
> >>> |  \   |
> >>> |  /   |
> >>> |---| /|
> >>>  | |/ |
> >>>  ||
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I think this is much clearer...
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Marco Ciampa
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jean-Pierre CHARRAS
> >>
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> >
> > 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Oliver Walters]

I think you are all correct. During my revamp of the icons I tried to
achieve two things:

1. Differentiate between import and export based on arrow direction
(generally import arrows are right to left, and export are left to right)
2. Place import icons on the left, and export on the right (following the
"flow" outlined in 1)

However this means that both arrows are effectively flowing "out of" the
document.

I think that if the import icons are moved to the right hand side, then
they will then look like they are flowing "into" the document.

Thoughts?

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:10 PM, Jeff Young  wrote:

> FWIW, I also agree that the current import arrow is backwards.
>
> > On 16 Jan 2018, at 07:11, Marco Ciampa  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Oliver, your thoughts?
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 09:09:48AM +0100, jp charras wrote:
> >> Le 15/01/2018 à 08:51, Marco Ciampa a écrit :
> >>> Hi Oliver,
> >>> about the bikeshedding thing I am not even a developer and I have the
> >>> audacity to say my thoughts about the icons!!!
> >>>
> >>> Follows my 0.002 euro cents
> >>>
> >>> My very humble opinion is that the import icon is not that clear and
> can
> >>> be improved alot in this way: just change the direction and position of
> >>> the arrow, the colour could stay as it is, it doesn't matter.
> >>>
> >>> I mean that the export icon is (almost) ok since it represent what I
> >>> expect in an "export" icon: the "out" direction is clear: just describe
> >>> an arrow that points _out_ of a document.
> >>>
> >>> Similarly the import icon should represent the "in" direction: and
> arrow
> >>> that point _into_ a document, not another arrow pointing out of the
> same
> >>> document but with a different color...
> >>
> >> I fully agree...
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I mean (ascii art: see it with a monospaced font):
> >>>
> >>> Export:
> >>>
> >>> ||
> >>> || |\
> >>> |  |---| \
> >>> |  |  \
> >>> |  |  /
> >>> |  |---| /
> >>> || |/
> >>> ||
> >>>
> >>> Import:
> >>>
> >>>  ||
> >>>  | |\ |
> >>> |---| \|
> >>> |  \   |
> >>> |  /   |
> >>> |---| /|
> >>>  | |/ |
> >>>  ||
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I think this is much clearer...
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Marco Ciampa
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jean-Pierre CHARRAS
> >>
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> >
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> >
> > I know a joke about UDP, but you might not get it.
> >
> > 
> >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Jörg Hermann]

A majority of participants on the ML found the new icons a step forward and we 
have a commit.
We won’t ever reach a point where we can satisfy everybody, so we must live 
with the democratic majority.
All concerns and inputs raised after the commit are sound, valid and wise and 
should be considered for V6.

Again I ask, no beg, everybody to get V5 out of the door and not be distracted 
by minuscule details like icon design.

Don’t get me wrong: UI design is IMPORTANT, icon design is ART and KNOWLEDGE, 
but in the bigger picture of the pile of work that represents the Kicad project 
as a whole, it is a rather minor feature. I feel this because Kicad is used by 
technical driven people, who usually don't care that much about aesthetics, as 
long as the knob gets the job done.

My 2 ct.
Jörg


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Fabrizio Tappero]

The attached image shows a comparison between a poorly designed icons
and a well
designed icon .

thank you
Fabrizio



On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 2:19 AM, Nick Østergaard  wrote:

> IMHO the new icon collection looks awful. They are not pixel aligned and
> renders quite fuzzy in many details.
>
> http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i/18/0113/h_
> 1515804843_8735496_c1a004f249.png
>
> Looking at the the new ones are part of the red circles and renders fuzzy,
> while the green one looks more like the old one and renders more sharply.
>
> Some of the simplification made are an improvement, but the icons are not
> ready.
>
> In addition to that a white boarder has been added to overlay icons even
> when there is already a black border. I think only one of those should be
> there, and probably not a black and white. Usually a darker color of the
> same color as the overlay icon makes a better apperance when we are talking
> these sizes of icons. But this is really dependent on the icon composition.
> Some of the old icons with arrows also had this white boarder, but not the
> black one. When removing the white boarder it looked better.
>
> I don't like that so many icons are change without specific justification.
> or example the reload.svg was changed. The direction of the arrows changed
> and the color. Why? See attached image.
> The export STEP icon, you can't even read the P in STP.
>
> 2018-01-12 20:11 GMT+01:00 Wayne Stambaugh :
>
>> Oliver,
>>
>> The new icons look great.  They are far more coherent than what we had.
>> I merged your patch into the development branch.  Thank you for
>> contribution to KiCad.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On 01/11/2018 02:54 AM, Oliver Walters wrote:
>> > Wayne,
>> >
>> > I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below:
>> >
>> > Inline image 1
>> >
>> > The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far
>> > implemented.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Oliver
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:58 AM, Wayne Stambaugh > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > I see scope creep happening here.  I thought the original goal was
>> to
>> > make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale
>> replacement
>> > of the them.  I don't like the camera either.  I'm not a big fan of
>> the
>> > calculator icon.  Both of these icons looks completely out of place
>> with
>> > our other icons.  Please keep the scope of these changes in check.
>> If
>> > we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine
>> at the
>> > appropriate time but not for v5.
>> >
>> > On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
>> > > Splendid!
>> > >
>> > > Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component
>> icon
>> > > isn’t much help.  Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept
>> the
>> > > arrows (which I think is fine).  Given that, the pixelated “a”
>> with an
>> > > import arrow would be perfect.
>> > >
>> > > FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick.  I did user
>> interface
>> > > design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my
>> > > professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Jeff
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters
>> > >> > mail.com>
>> > >> > > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
>> > >> diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch,
>> basically if
>> > >> someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
>> > >> arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose
>> :)
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
>> > >> > > 
>> > > > >>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component
>> > >> basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something
>> > >> related to a webcam.
>> > >>
>> > >> The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.
>> > >>
>> > >> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
>> > >> diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch,
>> basically if
>> > >> someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
>> > >> arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Fabrizio Tappero]

Hi,
I do not mean to offend anybody but, for years, there have been people
working very hard on the look of KiCad UI (see credits for details).

I have designed, and mediated with, the looks of KiCad for several years
and I am afraid the icons that have been submitted are not a step forward.
When it is about icons, everybody has an opinion and, in general, that is a
good thing.

Kicad Icons are 26pix for 26pix, if you want to adventure in designing an
icon for KiCad I suggest to open Inkscape with a 26X26 preview and try to
put stuff in it and see how it looks. Additionally, generally speaking,
colors cannot be too poppy and edges cannot be too sharp. In 2018 it is not
recommendable to write things in a 26pX26p icon nor overlay one image on
top of an other. Edges should be highlighter with an additional negative
edge. All this is just common sense (not even knowledge) in the practice of
designing icons.

Not to offend anybody but to an mildly trained eye, all the icons that you
submitted are not even close to the quality of what, for instance,
Konsantin has posted few mails up.

An other thing is documentation, Kicad looks cannot be changed in one go
but changes must happen slowly so that documentation does not stay out of
sync.

There are many icons that I know are not so good but I also know that now
there are really a lot of icons that are not so good.

My humble opinion, but it is just my humble opinion is to reverse all this
icon changes and if there is anybody interested in adventuring into icon
design and submit new icons, please go ahead and submit these icons to
myself and/or Konstantin so that we review them. Once again, this is just
my opinion.

I know that all these icons you submitted in the last 7 days seem better
and pop out more and are more meaningful to you. I think they are not.

I hope I have not offended anybody with the rant.


Cheers
Fabrizio










On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 6:46 PM, Michael Kavanagh <
mich...@michaelkavanagh.me> wrote:

> Can I suggest after v5 UI/graphic design is split off into a separate
> group with a suitably qualified person in charge (e.g. like the lib/docs
> maintainers)? With a core team and a UI policy it might make for a more
> cohesive look and feel rather than several people having a crack at
> different bits in different applications.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> On 12 January 2018 at 12:46, Константин Барановский <
> baranovskiykonstan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Forgot to attach the source of bitmap2component icon.
>>
>> 2018-01-12 14:39 GMT+02:00 Jeff Young :
>>
>>> Agreed.  Your bitmap2component idea is excellent.
>>>
>>> > On 12 Jan 2018, at 12:37, jp charras  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Le 12/01/2018 à 13:27, Константин Барановский a écrit :
>>> >> Thanks for your answers. What are you think about this icon for
>>> bitmap2component?
>>> >
>>> > I do like the pcb calculator and the bitmap2component icons.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> 2018-01-12 13:00 GMT+02:00 Simon Wells > swel...@gmail.com>>:
>>> >>
>>> >>I agree with Jeff, Not a fan of the pcbnew/modedit/gerbview icons,
>>> I don’t mind the eeschema
>>> >>icon, but also not a fan of the bmp2cmp icon, the only way i can
>>> see bmp2cmp being better would
>>> >>be a (well known) bitmap looking square with an arrow pointing to
>>> a footprint and/or symbol
>>> >>
>>> >>Simon
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>On 12/01/2018, at 11:47 PM, Jeff Young > j...@rokeby.ie>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>I like the more subdued colours in Oliver’s, although I do like
>>> your calculator icon (perhaps
>>> >>>with Oliver’s pcb colouring in the background).
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Cheers,
>>> >>>Jeff.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> On 12 Jan 2018, at 10:22, Константин Барановский <
>>> baranovskiykonstan...@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Everybody!
>>> As you know (or not) I'm work on new icons for KiCad for a long
>>> time:
>>> https://code.launchpad.net/~baranovskiykonstantin/kicad/+git
>>> /kicad/+ref/new_icons_rebased
>>> >> git/kicad/+ref/new_icons_rebased>
>>> 
>>> And inspired by changes in app icons I made my variant.
>>> Please, leave feedback.
>>> 
>>> 2018-01-12 5:28 GMT+02:00 Andrey Kuznetsov >> >:
>>> 
>>> Awesome, thanks!
>>> 
>>> Looks good.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 7:27 PM Oliver Walters <
>>> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Andrey,
>>> 
>>> Here's all I can provide currently (at work!)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have sent the entire patch to Wayne and JP privately
>>> so the merging is now in their
>>>    

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Jeff Young]

FWIW, I also agree that the current import arrow is backwards.

> On 16 Jan 2018, at 07:11, Marco Ciampa  wrote:
> 
> Hi Oliver, your thoughts?
> 
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 09:09:48AM +0100, jp charras wrote:
>> Le 15/01/2018 à 08:51, Marco Ciampa a écrit :
>>> Hi Oliver,
>>> about the bikeshedding thing I am not even a developer and I have the
>>> audacity to say my thoughts about the icons!!!
>>> 
>>> Follows my 0.002 euro cents
>>> 
>>> My very humble opinion is that the import icon is not that clear and can
>>> be improved alot in this way: just change the direction and position of
>>> the arrow, the colour could stay as it is, it doesn't matter.
>>> 
>>> I mean that the export icon is (almost) ok since it represent what I
>>> expect in an "export" icon: the "out" direction is clear: just describe
>>> an arrow that points _out_ of a document.
>>> 
>>> Similarly the import icon should represent the "in" direction: and arrow
>>> that point _into_ a document, not another arrow pointing out of the same
>>> document but with a different color...
>> 
>> I fully agree...
>> 
>>> 
>>> I mean (ascii art: see it with a monospaced font):
>>> 
>>> Export:
>>> 
>>> ||
>>> || |\
>>> |  |---| \
>>> |  |  \
>>> |  |  /
>>> |  |---| /
>>> || |/
>>> ||
>>> 
>>> Import:
>>> 
>>>  ||
>>>  | |\ |
>>> |---| \|
>>> |  \   |
>>> |  /   |
>>> |---| /|
>>>  | |/ |
>>>  ||
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think this is much clearer...
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marco Ciampa
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Marco Ciampa]

Hi Oliver, your thoughts?

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 09:09:48AM +0100, jp charras wrote:
> Le 15/01/2018 à 08:51, Marco Ciampa a écrit :
> > Hi Oliver,
> > about the bikeshedding thing I am not even a developer and I have the
> > audacity to say my thoughts about the icons!!!
> > 
> > Follows my 0.002 euro cents
> > 
> > My very humble opinion is that the import icon is not that clear and can
> > be improved alot in this way: just change the direction and position of
> > the arrow, the colour could stay as it is, it doesn't matter.
> > 
> > I mean that the export icon is (almost) ok since it represent what I
> > expect in an "export" icon: the "out" direction is clear: just describe
> > an arrow that points _out_ of a document.
> > 
> > Similarly the import icon should represent the "in" direction: and arrow
> > that point _into_ a document, not another arrow pointing out of the same
> > document but with a different color...
> 
> I fully agree...
> 
> > 
> > I mean (ascii art: see it with a monospaced font):
> > 
> > Export:
> > 
> > ||
> > || |\
> > |  |---| \
> > |  |  \
> > |  |  /
> > |  |---| /
> > || |/
> > ||
> > 
> > Import:
> > 
> >   ||
> >   | |\ |
> > |---| \|
> > |  \   |
> > |  /   |
> > |---| /|
> >   | |/ |
> >   ||
> > 
> > 
> > I think this is much clearer...
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > 
> > Marco Ciampa
> 
> 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[jp charras]

Le 15/01/2018 à 08:51, Marco Ciampa a écrit :
> Hi Oliver,
> about the bikeshedding thing I am not even a developer and I have the
> audacity to say my thoughts about the icons!!!
> 
> Follows my 0.002 euro cents
> 
> My very humble opinion is that the import icon is not that clear and can
> be improved alot in this way: just change the direction and position of
> the arrow, the colour could stay as it is, it doesn't matter.
> 
> I mean that the export icon is (almost) ok since it represent what I
> expect in an "export" icon: the "out" direction is clear: just describe
> an arrow that points _out_ of a document.
> 
> Similarly the import icon should represent the "in" direction: and arrow
> that point _into_ a document, not another arrow pointing out of the same
> document but with a different color...

I fully agree...

> 
> I mean (ascii art: see it with a monospaced font):
> 
> Export:
> 
> ||
> || |\
> |  |---| \
> |  |  \
> |  |  /
> |  |---| /
> || |/
> ||
> 
> Import:
> 
>   ||
>   | |\ |
> |---| \|
> |  \   |
> |  /   |
> |---| /|
>   | |/ |
>   ||
> 
> 
> I think this is much clearer...
> 
> --
> 
> 
> Marco Ciampa


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Marco Ciampa]

Hi Oliver,
about the bikeshedding thing I am not even a developer and I have the
audacity to say my thoughts about the icons!!!

Follows my 0.002 euro cents

My very humble opinion is that the import icon is not that clear and can
be improved alot in this way: just change the direction and position of
the arrow, the colour could stay as it is, it doesn't matter.

I mean that the export icon is (almost) ok since it represent what I
expect in an "export" icon: the "out" direction is clear: just describe
an arrow that points _out_ of a document.

Similarly the import icon should represent the "in" direction: and arrow
that point _into_ a document, not another arrow pointing out of the same
document but with a different color...

I mean (ascii art: see it with a monospaced font):

Export:

||
|| |\
|  |---| \
|  |  \
|  |  /
|  |---| /
|| |/
||

Import:

  ||
  | |\ |
|---| \|
|  \   |
|  /   |
|---| /|
  | |/ |
  ||


I think this is much clearer...

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Wayne Stambaugh]

On 1/12/2018 8:19 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> IMHO the new icon collection looks awful. They are not pixel aligned and
> renders quite fuzzy in many details.
> 
> http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i/18/0113/h_1515804843_8735496_c1a004f249.png
> 
> Looking at the the new ones are part of the red circles and renders
> fuzzy, while the green one looks more like the old one and renders more
> sharply.

Good catch Nick.  I didn't notice the fuzzy icons.  Please sharpen these
when you get a chance.

> 
> Some of the simplification made are an improvement, but the icons are
> not ready.
> 
> In addition to that a white boarder has been added to overlay icons even
> when there is already a black border. I think only one of those should
> be there, and probably not a black and white. Usually a darker color of
> the same color as the overlay icon makes a better apperance when we are
> talking these sizes of icons. But this is really dependent on the icon
> composition. Some of the old icons with arrows also had this white
> boarder, but not the black one. When removing the white boarder it
> looked better.
> 
> I don't like that so many icons are change without specific
> justification. or example the reload.svg was changed. The direction of
> the arrows changed and the color. Why? See attached image.
> The export STEP icon, you can't even read the P in STP.
> 
> 2018-01-12 20:11 GMT+01:00 Wayne Stambaugh  >:
> 
> Oliver,
> 
> The new icons look great.  They are far more coherent than what we had.
> I merged your patch into the development branch.  Thank you for
> contribution to KiCad.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 01/11/2018 02:54 AM, Oliver Walters wrote:
> > Wayne,
> >
> > I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below:
> >
> > Inline image 1
> >
> > The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far
> > implemented.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Oliver
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:58 AM, Wayne Stambaugh  
> > >> wrote:
> >
> >     I see scope creep happening here.  I thought the original goal was 
> to
> >     make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale 
> replacement
> >     of the them.  I don't like the camera either.  I'm not a big fan of 
> the
> >     calculator icon.  Both of these icons looks completely out of place 
> with
> >     our other icons.  Please keep the scope of these changes in check.  
> If
> >     we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine 
> at the
> >     appropriate time but not for v5.
> >
> >     On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
> >     > Splendid!
> >     >
> >     > Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component 
> icon
> >     > isn’t much help.  Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept 
> the
> >     > arrows (which I think is fine).  Given that, the pixelated “a” 
> with an
> >     > import arrow would be perfect.
> >     >
> >     > FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick.  I did user 
> interface
> >     > design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my
> >     > professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.
> >     >
> >     > Cheers,
> >     > Jeff
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters
> >     >>  
>  >
> >     >>  
> >       >     >>
> >     >>     Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
> >     >>     diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, 
> basically if
> >     >>     someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
> >     >>     arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose 
> :)
> >     >>  
> >     >>
> >     >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
> >     >>  
> >      >
> >      
> >       >     >> wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >>     Wow, really nice! Although, the 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Nick Østergaard]

IMHO the new icon collection looks awful. They are not pixel aligned and
renders quite fuzzy in many details.

http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i/18/0113/h_1515804843_8735496_c1a004f249.png

Looking at the the new ones are part of the red circles and renders fuzzy,
while the green one looks more like the old one and renders more sharply.

Some of the simplification made are an improvement, but the icons are not
ready.

In addition to that a white boarder has been added to overlay icons even
when there is already a black border. I think only one of those should be
there, and probably not a black and white. Usually a darker color of the
same color as the overlay icon makes a better apperance when we are talking
these sizes of icons. But this is really dependent on the icon composition.
Some of the old icons with arrows also had this white boarder, but not the
black one. When removing the white boarder it looked better.

I don't like that so many icons are change without specific justification.
or example the reload.svg was changed. The direction of the arrows changed
and the color. Why? See attached image.
The export STEP icon, you can't even read the P in STP.

2018-01-12 20:11 GMT+01:00 Wayne Stambaugh :

> Oliver,
>
> The new icons look great.  They are far more coherent than what we had.
> I merged your patch into the development branch.  Thank you for
> contribution to KiCad.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
>
> On 01/11/2018 02:54 AM, Oliver Walters wrote:
> > Wayne,
> >
> > I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below:
> >
> > Inline image 1
> >
> > The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far
> > implemented.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Oliver
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:58 AM, Wayne Stambaugh  > > wrote:
> >
> > I see scope creep happening here.  I thought the original goal was to
> > make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale
> replacement
> > of the them.  I don't like the camera either.  I'm not a big fan of
> the
> > calculator icon.  Both of these icons looks completely out of place
> with
> > our other icons.  Please keep the scope of these changes in check.
> If
> > we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine at
> the
> > appropriate time but not for v5.
> >
> > On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
> > > Splendid!
> > >
> > > Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component icon
> > > isn’t much help.  Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept
> the
> > > arrows (which I think is fine).  Given that, the pixelated “a”
> with an
> > > import arrow would be perfect.
> > >
> > > FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick.  I did user
> interface
> > > design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my
> > > professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters
> > >>  gmail.com>
> > >>  > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
> > >> diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically
> if
> > >> someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
> > >> arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose :)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
> > >>  > 
> >  > >>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component
> > >> basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something
> > >> related to a webcam.
> > >>
> > >> The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.
> > >>
> > >> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
> > >> diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically
> if
> > >> someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
> > >> arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
> > >>
> > >> Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  -Kristoffer
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Wayne,
> > >>
> > >> Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and
> > >> replacing with
> > >> 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Wayne Stambaugh]

Oliver,

The new icons look great.  They are far more coherent than what we had.
I merged your patch into the development branch.  Thank you for
contribution to KiCad.

Cheers,

Wayne

On 01/11/2018 02:54 AM, Oliver Walters wrote:
> Wayne,
> 
> I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below:
> 
> Inline image 1
> 
> The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far
> implemented.
> 
> Thanks,
> Oliver
> 
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:58 AM, Wayne Stambaugh  > wrote:
> 
> I see scope creep happening here.  I thought the original goal was to
> make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale replacement
> of the them.  I don't like the camera either.  I'm not a big fan of the
> calculator icon.  Both of these icons looks completely out of place with
> our other icons.  Please keep the scope of these changes in check.  If
> we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine at the
> appropriate time but not for v5.
> 
> On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
> > Splendid!
> >
> > Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component icon
> > isn’t much help.  Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept the
> > arrows (which I think is fine).  Given that, the pixelated “a” with an
> > import arrow would be perfect.
> >
> > FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick.  I did user interface
> > design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my
> > professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters
> >> 
> >>  >> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
> >>     diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
> >>     someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
> >>     arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
> >>
> >>
> >> I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose :)
> >>  
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
> >>  
>  >>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>     Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component
> >>     basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something
> >>     related to a webcam.
> >>
> >>     The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.
> >>
> >>     Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
> >>     diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
> >>     someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
> >>     arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
> >>
> >>     Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>      -Kristoffer
> >>
> >>
> >>     On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:
> >>
> >>         Wayne,
> >>
> >>         Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and
> >>         replacing with
> >>         standard load / save icons.
> >>
> >>         I have also further tweaked the main icons as per
> suggestions.
> >>
> >>         Screenshots here:
> >>
> >>         https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ
> >>
> >>         This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me
> >>         know if there
> >>         are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a
> >>         patch.
> >>
> >>         Thanks,
> >>         Oliver
> >>
> >>         On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
> >>         oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com
> 
> >>          >> wrote:
> >>
> >>             Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the
> >>             Gerber icons and
> >>             otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean
> >>             replacements for the
> >>             arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
> >>
> >>             On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
> >>             
> >>
> >>             wrote:
> >>
> >>                 One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk
> >>                 (other than 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Gerry Sweeney]

I have not posted here before although I have been on the list for quite some 
time.  I thought I might post in response to Michael Kavanagh just to relay my 
experience and offer some guidance (for what its worth). I have driven many 
product changes that have involved UI design. Not only is it difficult, but its 
easy to offend peoples sensibilities.  I am a hands on developer and a business 
leader, but I also have a good eye for athletics and visuals, I am unskilled in 
the use of design tools and am no designer myself, I mostly work with graphic 
designers but am generally good at breaking down what a designer should do and 
what scope they should work within. 

As a general rule, most people can tell you what they don’t like, but most that 
can tell you that, cannot give you a new brief - in other words people know 
what they like when they see it but cannot tell you what to create. 

Design and aesthetics is *very* subjective and you will never end up with 
something good if you try to do it by committee, instead you will end up with 
disagreements and discontent.  I think as Michael suggests, I would strongly 
advise putting someone capable in the “director seat” and empowering them to 
drive change in the project. I would also suggest that the group is very clear 
about scope because design is not just about appearance, design is about 
function, proportions and general usability and getting this right will most 
definitely involve functional and screen layout changes which developers on the 
project would need to take on board. The most common reason for a developer to 
dispute a change is when its difficult to do - getting good design results in a 
software product is difficult.  

The bottom line here is, if you cannot trust the person fulfilling the 
“director of design” role it will be a nightmare. 

In terms of driving change, in areas that are subjective this is what I 
generally do. I know that UI/Aesthetics are really subjective, so I identify 
the developer(s) and before asking for any changes I make it really clear that 
they should expect change and lots of iterations. In my experience developers 
can easily get offended when they do something and you tell them you don’t like 
it, they may take it personally and switch-off, easy to spot when it happens 
but quite difficult to re-establish buy in.  In the 25+ years I have been in 
this business I know its easier to get that on the table from the off, sell the 
worst case and find devs that are willing to work on that basis, any 
outstanding developer the works on UI or web design knows this, its part of 
what makes them really good. 

In terms of design choice be “timeless”, in other words be contemporary, modern 
and and clean in design, simple lines, simple colours, flat textures, simple 
shadows - over-design is the best way to make a product look “fisher-price"

The director of that UI project (or project manager, or whatever role title you 
choose to allocate) has to make tough decisions, they need to channel creative 
input and they need to take all input and consolidate it into something 
coherent and progressive, its doable but its not just about being the 
“colouring in” department. 

I have darted about a but there but the essence is.

* Allocate the leader of the design project to 1 person and empower them, if 
you choose the wrong person, live with it until you can reasonably close the 
project off and start again
* Do not make design decisions by committee, let someone say yes or no so you 
have a common direction
* Allocate the minimum number of devs to the task as possible, one is optimum 
for most projects. 
* Make sure the Dev(s) is happy to work in a high-rate-of-change model and is 
willing to iterate and not get personally offended if something they have done 
needs to be re-done. 
* In design choice be “timeless”

FWIW...

Gerry

> On 12 Jan 2018, at 17:46, Michael Kavanagh  wrote:
> 
> Can I suggest after v5 UI/graphic design is split off into a separate group 
> with a suitably qualified person in charge (e.g. like the lib/docs 
> maintainers)? With a core team and a UI policy it might make for a more 
> cohesive look and feel rather than several people having a crack at different 
> bits in different applications.
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> On 12 January 2018 at 12:46, Константин Барановский 
> > 
> wrote:
> Forgot to attach the source of bitmap2component icon.
> 
> 2018-01-12 14:39 GMT+02:00 Jeff Young  >:
> Agreed.  Your bitmap2component idea is excellent.
> 
> > On 12 Jan 2018, at 12:37, jp charras  > > wrote:
> >
> > Le 12/01/2018 à 13:27, Константин Барановский a écrit :
> >> Thanks for your answers. What are you think about this icon for 
> >> bitmap2component?
> >
> > I do like the pcb calculator and the 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Michael Kavanagh]

Can I suggest after v5 UI/graphic design is split off into a separate group
with a suitably qualified person in charge (e.g. like the lib/docs
maintainers)? With a core team and a UI policy it might make for a more
cohesive look and feel rather than several people having a crack at
different bits in different applications.

Just a thought.

On 12 January 2018 at 12:46, Константин Барановский <
baranovskiykonstan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Forgot to attach the source of bitmap2component icon.
>
> 2018-01-12 14:39 GMT+02:00 Jeff Young :
>
>> Agreed.  Your bitmap2component idea is excellent.
>>
>> > On 12 Jan 2018, at 12:37, jp charras  wrote:
>> >
>> > Le 12/01/2018 à 13:27, Константин Барановский a écrit :
>> >> Thanks for your answers. What are you think about this icon for
>> bitmap2component?
>> >
>> > I do like the pcb calculator and the bitmap2component icons.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> 2018-01-12 13:00 GMT+02:00 Simon Wells  swel...@gmail.com>>:
>> >>
>> >>I agree with Jeff, Not a fan of the pcbnew/modedit/gerbview icons,
>> I don’t mind the eeschema
>> >>icon, but also not a fan of the bmp2cmp icon, the only way i can
>> see bmp2cmp being better would
>> >>be a (well known) bitmap looking square with an arrow pointing to a
>> footprint and/or symbol
>> >>
>> >>Simon
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>On 12/01/2018, at 11:47 PM, Jeff Young  j...@rokeby.ie>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>I like the more subdued colours in Oliver’s, although I do like
>> your calculator icon (perhaps
>> >>>with Oliver’s pcb colouring in the background).
>> >>>
>> >>>Cheers,
>> >>>Jeff.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> On 12 Jan 2018, at 10:22, Константин Барановский <
>> baranovskiykonstan...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Everybody!
>> As you know (or not) I'm work on new icons for KiCad for a long
>> time:
>> https://code.launchpad.net/~baranovskiykonstantin/kicad/+git
>> /kicad/+ref/new_icons_rebased
>> > git/kicad/+ref/new_icons_rebased>
>> 
>> And inspired by changes in app icons I made my variant.
>> Please, leave feedback.
>> 
>> 2018-01-12 5:28 GMT+02:00 Andrey Kuznetsov > >:
>> 
>> Awesome, thanks!
>> 
>> Looks good.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 7:27 PM Oliver Walters <
>> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Andrey,
>> 
>> Here's all I can provide currently (at work!)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have sent the entire patch to Wayne and JP privately so
>> the merging is now in their
>> capable hands :)
>> 
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Константин Барановский]

Forgot to attach the source of bitmap2component icon.

2018-01-12 14:39 GMT+02:00 Jeff Young :

> Agreed.  Your bitmap2component idea is excellent.
>
> > On 12 Jan 2018, at 12:37, jp charras  wrote:
> >
> > Le 12/01/2018 à 13:27, Константин Барановский a écrit :
> >> Thanks for your answers. What are you think about this icon for
> bitmap2component?
> >
> > I do like the pcb calculator and the bitmap2component icons.
> >
> >>
> >> 2018-01-12 13:00 GMT+02:00 Simon Wells >:
> >>
> >>I agree with Jeff, Not a fan of the pcbnew/modedit/gerbview icons, I
> don’t mind the eeschema
> >>icon, but also not a fan of the bmp2cmp icon, the only way i can see
> bmp2cmp being better would
> >>be a (well known) bitmap looking square with an arrow pointing to a
> footprint and/or symbol
> >>
> >>Simon
> >>
> >>
> >>>On 12/01/2018, at 11:47 PM, Jeff Young > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>I like the more subdued colours in Oliver’s, although I do like
> your calculator icon (perhaps
> >>>with Oliver’s pcb colouring in the background).
> >>>
> >>>Cheers,
> >>>Jeff.
> >>>
> >>>
> On 12 Jan 2018, at 10:22, Константин Барановский <
> baranovskiykonstan...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> 
> Hi Everybody!
> As you know (or not) I'm work on new icons for KiCad for a long
> time:
> https://code.launchpad.net/~baranovskiykonstantin/kicad/+
> git/kicad/+ref/new_icons_rebased
>  +git/kicad/+ref/new_icons_rebased>
> 
> And inspired by changes in app icons I made my variant.
> Please, leave feedback.
> 
> 2018-01-12 5:28 GMT+02:00 Andrey Kuznetsov  >:
> 
> Awesome, thanks!
> 
> Looks good.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 7:27 PM Oliver Walters <
> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> 
> Andrey,
> 
> Here's all I can provide currently (at work!)
> 
> 
> 
> I have sent the entire patch to Wayne and JP privately so
> the merging is now in their
> capable hands :)
> 
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Jeff Young]

Agreed.  Your bitmap2component idea is excellent.

> On 12 Jan 2018, at 12:37, jp charras  wrote:
> 
> Le 12/01/2018 à 13:27, Константин Барановский a écrit :
>> Thanks for your answers. What are you think about this icon for 
>> bitmap2component?
> 
> I do like the pcb calculator and the bitmap2component icons.
> 
>> 
>> 2018-01-12 13:00 GMT+02:00 Simon Wells > >:
>> 
>>I agree with Jeff, Not a fan of the pcbnew/modedit/gerbview icons, I 
>> don’t mind the eeschema
>>icon, but also not a fan of the bmp2cmp icon, the only way i can see 
>> bmp2cmp being better would
>>be a (well known) bitmap looking square with an arrow pointing to a 
>> footprint and/or symbol
>> 
>>Simon
>> 
>> 
>>>On 12/01/2018, at 11:47 PM, Jeff Young >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>I like the more subdued colours in Oliver’s, although I do like your 
>>> calculator icon (perhaps
>>>with Oliver’s pcb colouring in the background).
>>> 
>>>Cheers,
>>>Jeff.
>>> 
>>> 
On 12 Jan 2018, at 10:22, Константин Барановский 
 > wrote:
 
Hi Everybody!
As you know (or not) I'm work on new icons for KiCad for a long time:

 https://code.launchpad.net/~baranovskiykonstantin/kicad/+git/kicad/+ref/new_icons_rebased

 
 
And inspired by changes in app icons I made my variant.
Please, leave feedback.
 
2018-01-12 5:28 GMT+02:00 Andrey Kuznetsov >:
 
Awesome, thanks!
 
Looks good.
 
On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 7:27 PM Oliver Walters 
 > wrote:
 
Andrey,
 
Here's all I can provide currently (at work!)
 

 
I have sent the entire patch to Wayne and JP privately so the 
 merging is now in their
capable hands :)
 
> 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[jp charras]

Le 12/01/2018 à 13:27, Константин Барановский a écrit :
> Thanks for your answers. What are you think about this icon for 
> bitmap2component?

I do like the pcb calculator and the bitmap2component icons.

> 
> 2018-01-12 13:00 GMT+02:00 Simon Wells  >:
> 
> I agree with Jeff, Not a fan of the pcbnew/modedit/gerbview icons, I 
> don’t mind the eeschema
> icon, but also not a fan of the bmp2cmp icon, the only way i can see 
> bmp2cmp being better would
> be a (well known) bitmap looking square with an arrow pointing to a 
> footprint and/or symbol
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
>> On 12/01/2018, at 11:47 PM, Jeff Young > > wrote:
>>
>> I like the more subdued colours in Oliver’s, although I do like your 
>> calculator icon (perhaps
>> with Oliver’s pcb colouring in the background).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jeff.
>>
>>
>>> On 12 Jan 2018, at 10:22, Константин Барановский 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Everybody!
>>> As you know (or not) I'm work on new icons for KiCad for a long time:
>>> 
>>> https://code.launchpad.net/~baranovskiykonstantin/kicad/+git/kicad/+ref/new_icons_rebased
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> And inspired by changes in app icons I made my variant.
>>> Please, leave feedback.
>>>
>>> 2018-01-12 5:28 GMT+02:00 Andrey Kuznetsov >> >:
>>>
>>> Awesome, thanks!
>>>
>>> Looks good.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 7:27 PM Oliver Walters 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Andrey,
>>>
>>> Here's all I can provide currently (at work!)
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I have sent the entire patch to Wayne and JP privately so the 
>>> merging is now in their
>>> capable hands :)
>>>



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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Константин Барановский]

Thanks for your answers. What are you think about this icon for
bitmap2component?

2018-01-12 13:00 GMT+02:00 Simon Wells :

> I agree with Jeff, Not a fan of the pcbnew/modedit/gerbview icons, I don’t
> mind the eeschema icon, but also not a fan of the bmp2cmp icon, the only
> way i can see bmp2cmp being better would be a (well known) bitmap looking
> square with an arrow pointing to a footprint and/or symbol
>
> Simon
>
>
> On 12/01/2018, at 11:47 PM, Jeff Young  wrote:
>
> I like the more subdued colours in Oliver’s, although I do like your
> calculator icon (perhaps with Oliver’s pcb colouring in the background).
>
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
>
>
> On 12 Jan 2018, at 10:22, Константин Барановский <
> baranovskiykonstan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Everybody!
> As you know (or not) I'm work on new icons for KiCad for a long time:
> https://code.launchpad.net/~baranovskiykonstantin/kicad/+
> git/kicad/+ref/new_icons_rebased
>
> And inspired by changes in app icons I made my variant.
> Please, leave feedback.
>
> 2018-01-12 5:28 GMT+02:00 Andrey Kuznetsov :
>
>> Awesome, thanks!
>>
>> Looks good.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 7:27 PM Oliver Walters <
>> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Andrey,
>>>
>>> Here's all I can provide currently (at work!)
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I have sent the entire patch to Wayne and JP privately so the merging is
>>> now in their capable hands :)
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Also the attached image of the final icon set was discarded, can you
 please resend the final icon image set?

 Thank you

 On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 8:35 AM, jp charras 
 wrote:

> Le 11/01/2018 à 08:54, Oliver Walters a écrit :
> > Wayne,
> >
> > I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below:
> >
> > [image: Inline image 1]
> >
> > The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far
> > implemented.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Oliver
> >
>
> Oliver,
>
> For some unknown reason, your mail was blocked by Launchpad.
> And the attached patch was discarded.
>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Simon Wells]

I agree with Jeff, Not a fan of the pcbnew/modedit/gerbview icons, I don’t mind 
the eeschema icon, but also not a fan of the bmp2cmp icon, the only way i can 
see bmp2cmp being better would be a (well known) bitmap looking square with an 
arrow pointing to a footprint and/or symbol

Simon

> On 12/01/2018, at 11:47 PM, Jeff Young  wrote:
> 
> I like the more subdued colours in Oliver’s, although I do like your 
> calculator icon (perhaps with Oliver’s pcb colouring in the background).
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
> 
> 
>> On 12 Jan 2018, at 10:22, Константин Барановский 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Everybody!
>> As you know (or not) I'm work on new icons for KiCad for a long time:
>> https://code.launchpad.net/~baranovskiykonstantin/kicad/+git/kicad/+ref/new_icons_rebased
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> And inspired by changes in app icons I made my variant.
>> Please, leave feedback.
>> 
>> 2018-01-12 5:28 GMT+02:00 Andrey Kuznetsov > >:
>> Awesome, thanks!
>> 
>> Looks good.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 7:27 PM Oliver Walters 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>> Andrey,
>> 
>> Here's all I can provide currently (at work!)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have sent the entire patch to Wayne and JP privately so the merging is now 
>> in their capable hands :)
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov > > wrote:
>> Also the attached image of the final icon set was discarded, can you please 
>> resend the final icon image set?
>> 
>> Thank you
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 8:35 AM, jp charras > > wrote:
>> Le 11/01/2018 à 08:54, Oliver Walters a écrit :
>> > Wayne,
>> >
>> > I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below:
>> >
>> > [image: Inline image 1]
>> >
>> > The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far
>> > implemented.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Oliver
>> >
>> 
>> Oliver,
>> 
>> For some unknown reason, your mail was blocked by Launchpad.
>> And the attached patch was discarded.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Jeff Young]

I like the more subdued colours in Oliver’s, although I do like your calculator 
icon (perhaps with Oliver’s pcb colouring in the background).

Cheers,
Jeff.


> On 12 Jan 2018, at 10:22, Константин Барановский 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everybody!
> As you know (or not) I'm work on new icons for KiCad for a long time:
> https://code.launchpad.net/~baranovskiykonstantin/kicad/+git/kicad/+ref/new_icons_rebased
>  
> 
> 
> And inspired by changes in app icons I made my variant.
> Please, leave feedback.
> 
> 2018-01-12 5:28 GMT+02:00 Andrey Kuznetsov  >:
> Awesome, thanks!
> 
> Looks good.
> 
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 7:27 PM Oliver Walters 
> > 
> wrote:
> Andrey,
> 
> Here's all I can provide currently (at work!)
> 
> 
> 
> I have sent the entire patch to Wayne and JP privately so the merging is now 
> in their capable hands :)
> 
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov  > wrote:
> Also the attached image of the final icon set was discarded, can you please 
> resend the final icon image set?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 8:35 AM, jp charras  > wrote:
> Le 11/01/2018 à 08:54, Oliver Walters a écrit :
> > Wayne,
> >
> > I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below:
> >
> > [image: Inline image 1]
> >
> > The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far
> > implemented.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Oliver
> >
> 
> Oliver,
> 
> For some unknown reason, your mail was blocked by Launchpad.
> And the attached patch was discarded.
> 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

Awesome, thanks!

Looks good.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 7:27 PM Oliver Walters <
oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Andrey,
>
> Here's all I can provide currently (at work!)
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> I have sent the entire patch to Wayne and JP privately so the merging is
> now in their capable hands :)
>
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov 
> wrote:
>
>> Also the attached image of the final icon set was discarded, can you
>> please resend the final icon image set?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 8:35 AM, jp charras 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Le 11/01/2018 à 08:54, Oliver Walters a écrit :
>>> > Wayne,
>>> >
>>> > I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below:
>>> >
>>> > [image: Inline image 1]
>>> >
>>> > The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far
>>> > implemented.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Oliver
>>> >
>>>
>>> Oliver,
>>>
>>> For some unknown reason, your mail was blocked by Launchpad.
>>> And the attached patch was discarded.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Oliver Walters]

Andrey,

Here's all I can provide currently (at work!)

[image: Inline image 1]

I have sent the entire patch to Wayne and JP privately so the merging is
now in their capable hands :)

On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov 
wrote:

> Also the attached image of the final icon set was discarded, can you
> please resend the final icon image set?
>
> Thank you
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 8:35 AM, jp charras  wrote:
>
>> Le 11/01/2018 à 08:54, Oliver Walters a écrit :
>> > Wayne,
>> >
>> > I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below:
>> >
>> > [image: Inline image 1]
>> >
>> > The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far
>> > implemented.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Oliver
>> >
>>
>> Oliver,
>>
>> For some unknown reason, your mail was blocked by Launchpad.
>> And the attached patch was discarded.
>>
>>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

Also the attached image of the final icon set was discarded, can you please
resend the final icon image set?

Thank you

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 8:35 AM, jp charras  wrote:

> Le 11/01/2018 à 08:54, Oliver Walters a écrit :
> > Wayne,
> >
> > I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below:
> >
> > [image: Inline image 1]
> >
> > The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far
> > implemented.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Oliver
> >
>
> Oliver,
>
> For some unknown reason, your mail was blocked by Launchpad.
> And the attached patch was discarded.
>
>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[jp charras]

Le 11/01/2018 à 08:54, Oliver Walters a écrit :
> Wayne,
> 
> I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below:
> 
> [image: Inline image 1]
> 
> The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far
> implemented.
> 
> Thanks,
> Oliver
> 

Oliver,

For some unknown reason, your mail was blocked by Launchpad.
And the attached patch was discarded.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Oliver Walters]

Wayne,

I have taken further suggestions and final icon set is shown below:

[image: Inline image 1]

The attached patch incorporates all of the icon changes thus far
implemented.

Thanks,
Oliver

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:58 AM, Wayne Stambaugh 
wrote:

> I see scope creep happening here.  I thought the original goal was to
> make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale replacement
> of the them.  I don't like the camera either.  I'm not a big fan of the
> calculator icon.  Both of these icons looks completely out of place with
> our other icons.  Please keep the scope of these changes in check.  If
> we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine at the
> appropriate time but not for v5.
>
> On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
> > Splendid!
> >
> > Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component icon
> > isn’t much help.  Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept the
> > arrows (which I think is fine).  Given that, the pixelated “a” with an
> > import arrow would be perfect.
> >
> > FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick.  I did user interface
> > design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my
> > professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters
> >>  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
> >> diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
> >> someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
> >> arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
> >>
> >>
> >> I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose :)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
> >> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component
> >> basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something
> >> related to a webcam.
> >>
> >> The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.
> >>
> >> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
> >> diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
> >> someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
> >> arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
> >>
> >> Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  -Kristoffer
> >>
> >>
> >> On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:
> >>
> >> Wayne,
> >>
> >> Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and
> >> replacing with
> >> standard load / save icons.
> >>
> >> I have also further tweaked the main icons as per suggestions.
> >>
> >> Screenshots here:
> >>
> >> https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ
> >>
> >> This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me
> >> know if there
> >> are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a
> >> patch.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Oliver
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
> >> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the
> >> Gerber icons and
> >> otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean
> >> replacements for the
> >> arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
> >> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk
> >> (other than the
> >> complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge
> >> them just about any
> >> time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images
> >> can be updated to
> >> reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with
> >> better alternatives to
> >> replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and
> >> pushing it off
> >> until v6.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Wayne
> >>
> >> On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> >>
> >> I think the changes are absolutely good in
> >> general, and I’d very much
> >> like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any
> >> control over that. ;)
> >>
> >> As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see
> >> them go away.  The
> >>

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Clemens Koller]

On 2018-01-11 11:06, Jörg Hermann wrote:
> After all of Olivers work and the amount of time discussed here, I strongly 
> vote for accepting the changes, as they are a huge improvement.
> I agree on keeping the “old” pixelated a and PCB calculator, if that helps 
> accepting the remaining changes.

I fully agree here. The improvements are IMO really huge.
And I would suggest that Oliver just takes care of the remaining icons for the 
Bitmap converter/vectorizer as well as the PCB calculator for V5.

Regards,

Clemens

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

I agree on Calculator revert, Bitmap revert, keeping the new GBR icon
(looks really nice).

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 7:47 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark <
kristofferodmar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Practially I would read this as:
>
> Go back to the single calculator icon, instead of the +-= boxes.
> Revert the camera icon to the "a" character, cleanup if wanted but dont
> change concept fundamentally.
>
> Otherwise I went throught the old icons in my current build and checked
> them against the latest email. They are pretty similar, but much more
> polished and coherent, so I think that qualifies as being inside scope.
>
> I like the gerber icon change, but that one, dont know if it is outside
> scope or not.
>
> Wayne did i interpret correctly?
>
>  -Kristoffer
>
>
> On 01/10/2018 03:58 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>
>> I see scope creep happening here.  I thought the original goal was to
>> make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale replacement
>> of the them.  I don't like the camera either.  I'm not a big fan of the
>> calculator icon.  Both of these icons looks completely out of place with
>> our other icons.  Please keep the scope of these changes in check.  If
>> we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine at the
>> appropriate time but not for v5.
>>
>> On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>
>>> Splendid!
>>>
>>> Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component icon
>>> isn’t much help.  Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept the
>>> arrows (which I think is fine).  Given that, the pixelated “a” with an
>>> import arrow would be perfect.
>>>
>>> FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick.  I did user interface
>>> design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my
>>> professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters
 > wrote:

  Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
  diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
  someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
  arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.


 I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose :)

 On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
 >
 wrote:

  Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component
  basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something
  related to a webcam.

  The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.

  Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
  diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
  someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
  arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.

  Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)



   -Kristoffer


  On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:

  Wayne,

  Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and
  replacing with
  standard load / save icons.

  I have also further tweaked the main icons as per suggestions.

  Screenshots here:

  https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ

  This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me
  know if there
  are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a
  patch.

  Thanks,
  Oliver

  On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
  oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com
  > wrote:

  Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the
  Gerber icons and
  otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean
  replacements for the
  arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.

  On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
  >
  wrote:

  One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk
  (other than the
  complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge
  them just about any
  time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images
  can be updated to
  reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with
  better alternatives to
  replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Kristoffer Ödmark]

Practially I would read this as:

Go back to the single calculator icon, instead of the +-= boxes.
Revert the camera icon to the "a" character, cleanup if wanted but dont 
change concept fundamentally.


Otherwise I went throught the old icons in my current build and checked 
them against the latest email. They are pretty similar, but much more 
polished and coherent, so I think that qualifies as being inside scope.


I like the gerber icon change, but that one, dont know if it is outside 
scope or not.


Wayne did i interpret correctly?

 -Kristoffer

On 01/10/2018 03:58 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

I see scope creep happening here.  I thought the original goal was to
make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale replacement
of the them.  I don't like the camera either.  I'm not a big fan of the
calculator icon.  Both of these icons looks completely out of place with
our other icons.  Please keep the scope of these changes in check.  If
we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine at the
appropriate time but not for v5.

On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote:

Splendid!

Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component icon
isn’t much help.  Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept the
arrows (which I think is fine).  Given that, the pixelated “a” with an
import arrow would be perfect.

FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick.  I did user interface
design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my
professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.

Cheers,
Jeff



On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters
> wrote:

 Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
 diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
 someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
 arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.


I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose :)
  


On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
>
wrote:

 Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component
 basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something
 related to a webcam.

 The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.

 Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
 diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
 someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
 arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.

 Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)



  -Kristoffer


 On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:

 Wayne,

 Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and
 replacing with
 standard load / save icons.

 I have also further tweaked the main icons as per suggestions.

 Screenshots here:

 https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ

 This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me
 know if there
 are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a
 patch.

 Thanks,
 Oliver

 On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
 oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com
 > wrote:

 Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the
 Gerber icons and
 otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean
 replacements for the
 arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.

 On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
 >
 wrote:

 One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk
 (other than the
 complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge
 them just about any
 time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images
 can be updated to
 reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with
 better alternatives to
 replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and
 pushing it off
 until v6.

 Cheers,

 Wayne

 On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:

 I think the changes are absolutely good in
 general, and I’d very much
 like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any
 control over that. ;)

 As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see
 them go away.  The
 colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows
 themselves. ANY of the
 alternatives discussed 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Jeff Young]

To limit scope-creep I think the importance of the changes would be as follows:

1) sorting out the damn arrows
2) cleaning up the libedit and modedit icons
3) regularising eeschema, pcbnew and gerberview icons
4) regularising calculator, drawing frame, etc.

The largest usability improvements are in (1) and (2).  

But I really like the new icons in (3), so I’d love to see the line drawn 
between (3) and (4).

Using an import arrow over the pixellated ‘a’ icon could be considered part of 
(1) or part of (4).  Personally I’d rather see it as part of (1), but I won’t 
lose sleep over it either way.

Cheers,
Jeff.

> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:58, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
> 
> I see scope creep happening here.  I thought the original goal was to
> make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale replacement
> of the them.  I don't like the camera either.  I'm not a big fan of the
> calculator icon.  Both of these icons looks completely out of place with
> our other icons.  Please keep the scope of these changes in check.  If
> we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine at the
> appropriate time but not for v5.
> 
> On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
>> Splendid!
>> 
>> Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component icon
>> isn’t much help.  Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept the
>> arrows (which I think is fine).  Given that, the pixelated “a” with an
>> import arrow would be perfect.
>> 
>> FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick.  I did user interface
>> design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my
>> professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters
>>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
>>>diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
>>>someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
>>>arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose :)
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
>>>  
>>> >>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component
>>>basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something
>>>related to a webcam.
>>> 
>>>The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.
>>> 
>>>Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
>>>diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
>>>someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
>>>arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
>>> 
>>>Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Kristoffer
>>> 
>>> 
>>>On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:
>>> 
>>>Wayne,
>>> 
>>>Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and
>>>replacing with
>>>standard load / save icons.
>>> 
>>>I have also further tweaked the main icons as per suggestions.
>>> 
>>>Screenshots here:
>>> 
>>>https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ 
>>> 
>>>This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me
>>>know if there
>>>are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a
>>>patch.
>>> 
>>>Thanks,
>>>Oliver
>>> 
>>>On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
>>>oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the
>>>Gerber icons and
>>>otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean
>>>replacements for the
>>>arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
>>> 
>>>On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
>>> 
>>> >>
>>>wrote:
>>> 
>>>One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk
>>>(other than the
>>>complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge
>>>them just about any
>>>time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images
>>>can be updated to
>>>reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with
>>>better alternatives to
>>>replace the arrows, I'm OK 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Wayne Stambaugh]

I see scope creep happening here.  I thought the original goal was to
make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale replacement
of the them.  I don't like the camera either.  I'm not a big fan of the
calculator icon.  Both of these icons looks completely out of place with
our other icons.  Please keep the scope of these changes in check.  If
we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine at the
appropriate time but not for v5.

On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
> Splendid!
> 
> Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component icon
> isn’t much help.  Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept the
> arrows (which I think is fine).  Given that, the pixelated “a” with an
> import arrow would be perfect.
> 
> FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick.  I did user interface
> design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my
> professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
>> diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
>> someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
>> arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
>>
>>
>> I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose :)
>>  
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component
>> basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something
>> related to a webcam.
>>
>> The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.
>>
>> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
>> diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
>> someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
>> arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
>>
>> Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)
>>
>>
>>
>>  -Kristoffer
>>
>>
>> On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:
>>
>> Wayne,
>>
>> Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and
>> replacing with
>> standard load / save icons.
>>
>> I have also further tweaked the main icons as per suggestions.
>>
>> Screenshots here:
>>
>> https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ
>>
>> This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me
>> know if there
>> are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a
>> patch.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Oliver
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
>> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the
>> Gerber icons and
>> otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean
>> replacements for the
>> arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk
>> (other than the
>> complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge
>> them just about any
>> time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images
>> can be updated to
>> reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with
>> better alternatives to
>> replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and
>> pushing it off
>> until v6.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>
>> I think the changes are absolutely good in
>> general, and I’d very much
>> like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any
>> control over that. ;)
>>
>> As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see
>> them go away.  The
>> colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows
>> themselves. ANY of the
>> alternatives discussed (that don’t include arrows)
>> would be better.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jeff.
>>
>>
>> On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
>> > 
>> 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Jeff Young]

Splendid!

Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component icon isn’t much 
help.  Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept the arrows (which I think 
is fine).  Given that, the pixelated “a” with an import arrow would be perfect.

FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick.  I did user interface design 
and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my professional 
opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.

Cheers,
Jeff


> On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters  
> wrote:
> 
> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the diskette and 
> the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if someone wants to create 
> future icons. They could use the same arrows for any kind of export, import, 
> save, inspect or view.
> 
> I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose :)
>  
> 
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark 
> > wrote:
> Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component basically looks 
> like a screenshot symbol to me, or something related to a webcam.
> 
> The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.
> 
> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the diskette and 
> the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if someone wants to create 
> future icons. They could use the same arrows for any kind of export, import, 
> save, inspect or view.
> 
> Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)
> 
> 
> 
>  -Kristoffer
> 
> 
> On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:
> Wayne,
> 
> Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and replacing with
> standard load / save icons.
> 
> I have also further tweaked the main icons as per suggestions.
> 
> Screenshots here:
> 
> https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ 
> 
> This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me know if there
> are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a patch.
> 
> Thanks,
> Oliver
> 
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com > wrote:
> 
> Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the Gerber icons and
> otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean replacements for the
> arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh  >
> wrote:
> 
> One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk (other than the
> complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge them just about any
> time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images can be updated to
> reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with better alternatives to
> replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and pushing it off
> until v6.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> I think the changes are absolutely good in general, and I’d very much
> like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any control over that. ;)
> 
> As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see them go away.  The
> colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows themselves. ANY of the
> alternatives discussed (that don’t include arrows) would be better.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
> 
> 
> On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
> 
>  >> wrote:
> 
> The coloured arrows were already in place, all I have done is made
> them all the same "style". In fact, previously concepts like "save"
> and "load" were conveyed both with a downward pointing arrow, and the
> arrow colour was the only point of difference.
> 
> I thought I had made an improvement on what was already existing. My
> intent was not to necessarily do a sweeping redesign.
> 
> If this is now an additional requirement I can make these not arrows,
> but I'd like some direction on what to do instead. It will be hard to
> fit a more detailed icon.
> 
> Other than this, what are your thoughts overall? Is it worth my time
> pursuing this further? Are these changes good in general and can you
> see them being merged?
> 
> On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh"  
> >> wrote:
> 
>  On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
>  > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>  >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them,
>  please don't
>  >> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left
>  arrow versus
>  >> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.
>  >>
>  >
>  > I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will
>  give an
>  > additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have
> 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Oliver Walters]

>
> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the diskette and
> the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if someone wants to create
> future icons. They could use the same arrows for any kind of export,
> import, save, inspect or view.


I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose :)


On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark <
kristofferodmar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component basically
> looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something related to a webcam.
>
> The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.
>
> Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the diskette and
> the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if someone wants to create
> future icons. They could use the same arrows for any kind of export,
> import, save, inspect or view.
>
> Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)
>
>
>
>  -Kristoffer
>
>
> On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:
>
>> Wayne,
>>
>> Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and replacing with
>> standard load / save icons.
>>
>> I have also further tweaked the main icons as per suggestions.
>>
>> Screenshots here:
>>
>> https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ
>>
>> This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me know if
>> there
>> are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a patch.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Oliver
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
>> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the Gerber icons and
>>> otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean replacements for
>>> the
>>> arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk (other than the
 complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge them just about any
 time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images can be updated to
 reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with better alternatives to
 replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and pushing it off
 until v6.

 Cheers,

 Wayne

 On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:

> I think the changes are absolutely good in general, and I’d very much
> like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any control over that. ;)
>
> As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see them go away.  The
> colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows themselves. ANY of the
> alternatives discussed (that don’t include arrows) would be better.
>
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
>
>
> On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> The coloured arrows were already in place, all I have done is made
>> them all the same "style". In fact, previously concepts like "save"
>> and "load" were conveyed both with a downward pointing arrow, and the
>> arrow colour was the only point of difference.
>>
>> I thought I had made an improvement on what was already existing. My
>> intent was not to necessarily do a sweeping redesign.
>>
>> If this is now an additional requirement I can make these not arrows,
>> but I'd like some direction on what to do instead. It will be hard to
>> fit a more detailed icon.
>>
>> Other than this, what are your thoughts overall? Is it worth my time
>> pursuing this further? Are these changes good in general and can you
>> see them being merged?
>>
>> On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh" > > wrote:
>>
>>  On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
>>  > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>>  >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them,
>>  please don't
>>  >> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left
>>  arrow versus
>>  >> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.
>>  >>
>>  >
>>  > I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will
>>  give an
>>  > additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have
>>  only the
>>  > direction of the arrow as a difference. Which is easily
>>  overlooked.) I
>>  > hope having different colors will make it easier for my brain
>> to
>>  > remember which button does what. (I can't tell you how often i
>>  clicked
>>  > load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the
>>  reorganization
>>  > of the official lib.)
>>
>>  What information does the different color arrow convey?  If you
>> are
>>  using different colors for contrast, that is one 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Jon Evans]

This is a common way to test software too, in case we ever want to try to
build automated tests.

On Jan 10, 2018 09:02, "Kristoffer Ödmark" 
wrote:

I think trying to replicate what this guy does here would be quite time
saving wouldnt it?

http://scottbezek.blogspot.se/2016/04/automated-kicad-schematic-export.html

Basically scripting keypresses, and then using something like scrot to take
a screenshot of the intended area. This would keep the docs in sync :)

 -Kristoffer


On 01/10/2018 02:19 PM, jp charras wrote:

> Le 10/01/2018 à 13:55, Jörg Hermann a écrit :
>
>> Hello Oliver,
>>
>> congrats on the huge improvement on the icons!
>> For further simplification I would remove the gray “paper-boundary” on
>> schematic and worksheet icons, citing Jeff Young: “… adding visual
>> complexity without any cognitive benefit”.
>>
>> When Wayne refers to the doc team - I expect the icons are pulled in from
>> the sources, so the doc is always in sync?
>>
>
> "so the doc is always in sync"
> Of course no: icon sources are svg files, but toolbars, menus and many
> other pictures are created
> only by screen copy (there are no other way).
> And if pictures are containing texts, screen copy update must be made for
> all languages.
>
> So, be careful with modifying icons: be sure it is worth: the cost is
> *high*.
>
>
>> I would like to see and use them in the V5 release - what is holding back
>> the commit?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jörg
>>
>
>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Kristoffer Ödmark]

Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component basically 
looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something related to a webcam.


The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.

Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the diskette 
and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if someone wants to 
create future icons. They could use the same arrows for any kind of 
export, import, save, inspect or view.


Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)



 -Kristoffer

On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:

Wayne,

Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and replacing with
standard load / save icons.

I have also further tweaked the main icons as per suggestions.

Screenshots here:

https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ

This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me know if there
are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a patch.

Thanks,
Oliver

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:


Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the Gerber icons and
otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean replacements for the
arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh 
wrote:


One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk (other than the
complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge them just about any
time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images can be updated to
reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with better alternatives to
replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and pushing it off
until v6.

Cheers,

Wayne

On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:

I think the changes are absolutely good in general, and I’d very much
like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any control over that. ;)

As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see them go away.  The
colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows themselves. ANY of the
alternatives discussed (that don’t include arrows) would be better.

Cheers,
Jeff.



On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
> wrote:

The coloured arrows were already in place, all I have done is made
them all the same "style". In fact, previously concepts like "save"
and "load" were conveyed both with a downward pointing arrow, and the
arrow colour was the only point of difference.

I thought I had made an improvement on what was already existing. My
intent was not to necessarily do a sweeping redesign.

If this is now an additional requirement I can make these not arrows,
but I'd like some direction on what to do instead. It will be hard to
fit a more detailed icon.

Other than this, what are your thoughts overall? Is it worth my time
pursuing this further? Are these changes good in general and can you
see them being merged?

On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh" > wrote:

 On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
 > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
 >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them,
 please don't
 >> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left
 arrow versus
 >> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.
 >>
 >
 > I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will
 give an
 > additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have
 only the
 > direction of the arrow as a difference. Which is easily
 overlooked.) I
 > hope having different colors will make it easier for my brain to
 > remember which button does what. (I can't tell you how often i
 clicked
 > load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the
 reorganization
 > of the official lib.)

 What information does the different color arrow convey?  If you are
 using different colors for contrast, that is one thing but just

making

 them different colors for informational purposes doesn't make any
 sense
 to me.  If you are trying convey information with different color
 buttons, what is the impact on users who are color blind.

 >
 > Maybe there is a better way to communicate differences but if
 buttons
 > look as similar as a lot of them currently do, adding
 differentiating
 > colors might help.
 >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Nick Østergaard]

I think you need to do a side by side comparison with the old and also
showcase it with a dark theme. I would also like to see a summary of why
specific features was changed on the icons.

Otherwise we have not got any further and I think the updates should be
rejected. In seven months or so someone else will propose thirty new icons.

Den 10. jan. 2018 3.13 PM skrev "Oliver Walters" <
oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>:

> Wayne,
>
> Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and replacing with
> standard load / save icons.
>
> I have also further tweaked the main icons as per suggestions.
>
> Screenshots here:
>
> https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ
>
> This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me know if
> there are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a patch.
>
> Thanks,
> Oliver
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the Gerber icons and
>> otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean replacements for the
>> arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk (other than the
>>> complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge them just about any
>>> time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images can be updated to
>>> reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with better alternatives to
>>> replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and pushing it off
>>> until v6.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>> > I think the changes are absolutely good in general, and I’d very much
>>> > like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any control over that. ;)
>>> >
>>> > As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see them go away.  The
>>> > colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows themselves. ANY of the
>>> > alternatives discussed (that don’t include arrows) would be better.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Jeff.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
>>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> The coloured arrows were already in place, all I have done is made
>>> >> them all the same "style". In fact, previously concepts like "save"
>>> >> and "load" were conveyed both with a downward pointing arrow, and the
>>> >> arrow colour was the only point of difference.
>>> >>
>>> >> I thought I had made an improvement on what was already existing. My
>>> >> intent was not to necessarily do a sweeping redesign.
>>> >>
>>> >> If this is now an additional requirement I can make these not arrows,
>>> >> but I'd like some direction on what to do instead. It will be hard to
>>> >> fit a more detailed icon.
>>> >>
>>> >> Other than this, what are your thoughts overall? Is it worth my time
>>> >> pursuing this further? Are these changes good in general and can you
>>> >> see them being merged?
>>> >>
>>> >> On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh" >> >> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
>>> >> > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>>> >> >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them,
>>> >> please don't
>>> >> >> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left
>>> >> arrow versus
>>> >> >> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will
>>> >> give an
>>> >> > additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have
>>> >> only the
>>> >> > direction of the arrow as a difference. Which is easily
>>> >> overlooked.) I
>>> >> > hope having different colors will make it easier for my brain to
>>> >> > remember which button does what. (I can't tell you how often i
>>> >> clicked
>>> >> > load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the
>>> >> reorganization
>>> >> > of the official lib.)
>>> >>
>>> >> What information does the different color arrow convey?  If you
>>> are
>>> >> using different colors for contrast, that is one thing but just
>>> making
>>> >> them different colors for informational purposes doesn't make any
>>> >> sense
>>> >> to me.  If you are trying convey information with different color
>>> >> buttons, what is the impact on users who are color blind.
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Maybe there is a better way to communicate differences but if
>>> >> buttons
>>> >> > look as similar as a lot of them currently do, adding
>>> >> differentiating
>>> >> > colors might help.
>>> >> >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Oliver Walters]

Wayne,

Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and replacing with
standard load / save icons.

I have also further tweaked the main icons as per suggestions.

Screenshots here:

https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ

This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me know if there
are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a patch.

Thanks,
Oliver

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the Gerber icons and
> otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean replacements for the
> arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh 
> wrote:
>
>> One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk (other than the
>> complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge them just about any
>> time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images can be updated to
>> reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with better alternatives to
>> replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and pushing it off
>> until v6.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>> > I think the changes are absolutely good in general, and I’d very much
>> > like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any control over that. ;)
>> >
>> > As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see them go away.  The
>> > colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows themselves. ANY of the
>> > alternatives discussed (that don’t include arrows) would be better.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Jeff.
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
>> >> > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The coloured arrows were already in place, all I have done is made
>> >> them all the same "style". In fact, previously concepts like "save"
>> >> and "load" were conveyed both with a downward pointing arrow, and the
>> >> arrow colour was the only point of difference.
>> >>
>> >> I thought I had made an improvement on what was already existing. My
>> >> intent was not to necessarily do a sweeping redesign.
>> >>
>> >> If this is now an additional requirement I can make these not arrows,
>> >> but I'd like some direction on what to do instead. It will be hard to
>> >> fit a more detailed icon.
>> >>
>> >> Other than this, what are your thoughts overall? Is it worth my time
>> >> pursuing this further? Are these changes good in general and can you
>> >> see them being merged?
>> >>
>> >> On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh" > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
>> >> > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>> >> >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them,
>> >> please don't
>> >> >> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left
>> >> arrow versus
>> >> >> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will
>> >> give an
>> >> > additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have
>> >> only the
>> >> > direction of the arrow as a difference. Which is easily
>> >> overlooked.) I
>> >> > hope having different colors will make it easier for my brain to
>> >> > remember which button does what. (I can't tell you how often i
>> >> clicked
>> >> > load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the
>> >> reorganization
>> >> > of the official lib.)
>> >>
>> >> What information does the different color arrow convey?  If you are
>> >> using different colors for contrast, that is one thing but just
>> making
>> >> them different colors for informational purposes doesn't make any
>> >> sense
>> >> to me.  If you are trying convey information with different color
>> >> buttons, what is the impact on users who are color blind.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Maybe there is a better way to communicate differences but if
>> >> buttons
>> >> > look as similar as a lot of them currently do, adding
>> >> differentiating
>> >> > colors might help.
>> >> >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Kristoffer Ödmark]

I think trying to replicate what this guy does here would be quite time 
saving wouldnt it?


http://scottbezek.blogspot.se/2016/04/automated-kicad-schematic-export.html

Basically scripting keypresses, and then using something like scrot to 
take a screenshot of the intended area. This would keep the docs in sync :)


 -Kristoffer

On 01/10/2018 02:19 PM, jp charras wrote:

Le 10/01/2018 à 13:55, Jörg Hermann a écrit :

Hello Oliver,

congrats on the huge improvement on the icons!
For further simplification I would remove the gray “paper-boundary” on 
schematic and worksheet icons, citing Jeff Young: “… adding visual complexity 
without any cognitive benefit”.

When Wayne refers to the doc team - I expect the icons are pulled in from the 
sources, so the doc is always in sync?


"so the doc is always in sync"
Of course no: icon sources are svg files, but toolbars, menus and many other 
pictures are created
only by screen copy (there are no other way).
And if pictures are containing texts, screen copy update must be made for all 
languages.

So, be careful with modifying icons: be sure it is worth: the cost is *high*.



I would like to see and use them in the V5 release - what is holding back the 
commit?

Cheers,
Jörg




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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Jörg Hermann]

Hello Oliver,

congrats on the huge improvement on the icons!
For further simplification I would remove the gray “paper-boundary” on 
schematic and worksheet icons, citing Jeff Young: “… adding visual complexity 
without any cognitive benefit”.

When Wayne refers to the doc team - I expect the icons are pulled in from the 
sources, so the doc is always in sync?

I would like to see and use them in the V5 release - what is holding back the 
commit?

Cheers,
Jörg


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[jp charras]

Le 10/01/2018 à 13:55, Jörg Hermann a écrit :
> Hello Oliver,
> 
> congrats on the huge improvement on the icons!
> For further simplification I would remove the gray “paper-boundary” on 
> schematic and worksheet icons, citing Jeff Young: “… adding visual complexity 
> without any cognitive benefit”.
> 
> When Wayne refers to the doc team - I expect the icons are pulled in from the 
> sources, so the doc is always in sync?

"so the doc is always in sync"
Of course no: icon sources are svg files, but toolbars, menus and many other 
pictures are created
only by screen copy (there are no other way).
And if pictures are containing texts, screen copy update must be made for all 
languages.

So, be careful with modifying icons: be sure it is worth: the cost is *high*.

> 
> I would like to see and use them in the V5 release - what is holding back the 
> commit?
> 
> Cheers,
> Jörg

-- 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Oliver Walters]

>
> +1 to the Google icon overlays.
>

I'll have a look into that

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:40 AM, Jeff Young  wrote:

> +1 to the Google icon overlays.
>
> On 9 Jan 2018, at 21:15, Jon Evans  wrote:
>
> Inspiration from Google's material design icons? (permissively-licensed) .
> These could be overlaid in the bottom right quarter maybe?
> 
> 
> 
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Oliver Walters <
> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the Gerber icons and
>> otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean replacements for the
>> arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk (other than the
>>> complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge them just about any
>>> time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images can be updated to
>>> reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with better alternatives to
>>> replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and pushing it off
>>> until v6.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>> > I think the changes are absolutely good in general, and I’d very much
>>> > like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any control over that. ;)
>>> >
>>> > As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see them go away.  The
>>> > colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows themselves. ANY of the
>>> > alternatives discussed (that don’t include arrows) would be better.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Jeff.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
>>> >> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> The coloured arrows were already in place, all I have done is made
>>> >> them all the same "style". In fact, previously concepts like "save"
>>> >> and "load" were conveyed both with a downward pointing arrow, and the
>>> >> arrow colour was the only point of difference.
>>> >>
>>> >> I thought I had made an improvement on what was already existing. My
>>> >> intent was not to necessarily do a sweeping redesign.
>>> >>
>>> >> If this is now an additional requirement I can make these not arrows,
>>> >> but I'd like some direction on what to do instead. It will be hard to
>>> >> fit a more detailed icon.
>>> >>
>>> >> Other than this, what are your thoughts overall? Is it worth my time
>>> >> pursuing this further? Are these changes good in general and can you
>>> >> see them being merged?
>>> >>
>>> >> On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh" >> >> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
>>> >> > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>>> >> >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them,
>>> >> please don't
>>> >> >> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left
>>> >> arrow versus
>>> >> >> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will
>>> >> give an
>>> >> > additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have
>>> >> only the
>>> >> > direction of the arrow as a difference. Which is easily
>>> >> overlooked.) I
>>> >> > hope having different colors will make it easier for my brain to
>>> >> > remember which button does what. (I can't tell you how often i
>>> >> clicked
>>> >> > load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the
>>> >> reorganization
>>> >> > of the official lib.)
>>> >>
>>> >> What information does the different color arrow convey?  If you
>>> are
>>> >> using different colors for contrast, that is one thing but just
>>> making
>>> >> them different colors for informational purposes doesn't make any
>>> >> sense
>>> >> to me.  If you are trying convey information with different color
>>> >> buttons, what is the impact on users who are color blind.
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Maybe there is a better way to communicate differences but if
>>> >> buttons
>>> >> > look as similar as a lot of them currently do, adding
>>> >> differentiating
>>> >> > colors might help.
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Jeff Young]

+1 to the Google icon overlays.

> On 9 Jan 2018, at 21:15, Jon Evans  wrote:
> 
> Inspiration from Google's material design icons? (permissively-licensed) . 
> These could be overlaid in the bottom right quarter maybe?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Oliver Walters 
> > 
> wrote:
> Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the Gerber icons and 
> otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean replacements for the 
> arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh  > wrote:
> One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk (other than the
> complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge them just about any
> time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images can be updated to
> reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with better alternatives to
> replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and pushing it off
> until v6.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Wayne
> 
> On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> > I think the changes are absolutely good in general, and I’d very much
> > like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any control over that. ;)
> >
> > As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see them go away.  The
> > colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows themselves. ANY of the
> > alternatives discussed (that don’t include arrows) would be better.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jeff.
> >
> >
> >> On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
> >> 
> >>  >> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> The coloured arrows were already in place, all I have done is made
> >> them all the same "style". In fact, previously concepts like "save"
> >> and "load" were conveyed both with a downward pointing arrow, and the
> >> arrow colour was the only point of difference. 
> >>
> >> I thought I had made an improvement on what was already existing. My
> >> intent was not to necessarily do a sweeping redesign. 
> >>
> >> If this is now an additional requirement I can make these not arrows,
> >> but I'd like some direction on what to do instead. It will be hard to
> >> fit a more detailed icon. 
> >>
> >> Other than this, what are your thoughts overall? Is it worth my time
> >> pursuing this further? Are these changes good in general and can you
> >> see them being merged? 
> >>
> >> On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh"  >> 
> >> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
> >> > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> >> >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them,
> >> please don't
> >> >> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left
> >> arrow versus
> >> >> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will
> >> give an
> >> > additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have
> >> only the
> >> > direction of the arrow as a difference. Which is easily
> >> overlooked.) I
> >> > hope having different colors will make it easier for my brain to
> >> > remember which button does what. (I can't tell you how often i
> >> clicked
> >> > load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the
> >> reorganization
> >> > of the official lib.)
> >>
> >> What information does the different color arrow convey?  If you are
> >> using different colors for contrast, that is one thing but just making
> >> them different colors for informational purposes doesn't make any
> >> sense
> >> to me.  If you are trying convey information with different color
> >> buttons, what is the impact on users who are color blind.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Maybe there is a better way to communicate differences but if
> >> buttons
> >> > look as similar as a lot of them currently do, adding
> >> differentiating
> >> > colors might help.
> >> >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Jon Evans]

Inspiration from Google's material design icons? (permissively-licensed) .
These could be overlaid in the bottom right quarter maybe?
[image: Inline image 3]
[image: Inline image 1]
[image: Inline image 2]

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Oliver Walters <
oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the Gerber icons and
> otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean replacements for the
> arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
>
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh 
> wrote:
>
>> One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk (other than the
>> complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge them just about any
>> time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images can be updated to
>> reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with better alternatives to
>> replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and pushing it off
>> until v6.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
>> > I think the changes are absolutely good in general, and I’d very much
>> > like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any control over that. ;)
>> >
>> > As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see them go away.  The
>> > colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows themselves. ANY of the
>> > alternatives discussed (that don’t include arrows) would be better.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Jeff.
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
>> >> > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The coloured arrows were already in place, all I have done is made
>> >> them all the same "style". In fact, previously concepts like "save"
>> >> and "load" were conveyed both with a downward pointing arrow, and the
>> >> arrow colour was the only point of difference.
>> >>
>> >> I thought I had made an improvement on what was already existing. My
>> >> intent was not to necessarily do a sweeping redesign.
>> >>
>> >> If this is now an additional requirement I can make these not arrows,
>> >> but I'd like some direction on what to do instead. It will be hard to
>> >> fit a more detailed icon.
>> >>
>> >> Other than this, what are your thoughts overall? Is it worth my time
>> >> pursuing this further? Are these changes good in general and can you
>> >> see them being merged?
>> >>
>> >> On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh" > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
>> >> > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>> >> >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them,
>> >> please don't
>> >> >> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left
>> >> arrow versus
>> >> >> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will
>> >> give an
>> >> > additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have
>> >> only the
>> >> > direction of the arrow as a difference. Which is easily
>> >> overlooked.) I
>> >> > hope having different colors will make it easier for my brain to
>> >> > remember which button does what. (I can't tell you how often i
>> >> clicked
>> >> > load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the
>> >> reorganization
>> >> > of the official lib.)
>> >>
>> >> What information does the different color arrow convey?  If you are
>> >> using different colors for contrast, that is one thing but just
>> making
>> >> them different colors for informational purposes doesn't make any
>> >> sense
>> >> to me.  If you are trying convey information with different color
>> >> buttons, what is the impact on users who are color blind.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Maybe there is a better way to communicate differences but if
>> >> buttons
>> >> > look as similar as a lot of them currently do, adding
>> >> differentiating
>> >> > colors might help.
>> >> >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Oliver Walters]

Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the Gerber icons and
otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean replacements for the
arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh 
wrote:

> One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk (other than the
> complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge them just about any
> time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images can be updated to
> reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with better alternatives to
> replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and pushing it off
> until v6.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
>
> On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> > I think the changes are absolutely good in general, and I’d very much
> > like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any control over that. ;)
> >
> > As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see them go away.  The
> > colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows themselves. ANY of the
> > alternatives discussed (that don’t include arrows) would be better.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jeff.
> >
> >
> >> On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
> >>  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> The coloured arrows were already in place, all I have done is made
> >> them all the same "style". In fact, previously concepts like "save"
> >> and "load" were conveyed both with a downward pointing arrow, and the
> >> arrow colour was the only point of difference.
> >>
> >> I thought I had made an improvement on what was already existing. My
> >> intent was not to necessarily do a sweeping redesign.
> >>
> >> If this is now an additional requirement I can make these not arrows,
> >> but I'd like some direction on what to do instead. It will be hard to
> >> fit a more detailed icon.
> >>
> >> Other than this, what are your thoughts overall? Is it worth my time
> >> pursuing this further? Are these changes good in general and can you
> >> see them being merged?
> >>
> >> On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh"  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
> >> > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> >> >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them,
> >> please don't
> >> >> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left
> >> arrow versus
> >> >> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will
> >> give an
> >> > additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have
> >> only the
> >> > direction of the arrow as a difference. Which is easily
> >> overlooked.) I
> >> > hope having different colors will make it easier for my brain to
> >> > remember which button does what. (I can't tell you how often i
> >> clicked
> >> > load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the
> >> reorganization
> >> > of the official lib.)
> >>
> >> What information does the different color arrow convey?  If you are
> >> using different colors for contrast, that is one thing but just
> making
> >> them different colors for informational purposes doesn't make any
> >> sense
> >> to me.  If you are trying convey information with different color
> >> buttons, what is the impact on users who are color blind.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Maybe there is a better way to communicate differences but if
> >> buttons
> >> > look as similar as a lot of them currently do, adding
> >> differentiating
> >> > colors might help.
> >> >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Wayne Stambaugh]

One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk (other than the
complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge them just about any
time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images can be updated to
reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with better alternatives to
replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and pushing it off
until v6.

Cheers,

Wayne

On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> I think the changes are absolutely good in general, and I’d very much
> like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any control over that. ;)
> 
> As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see them go away.  The
> colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows themselves. ANY of the
> alternatives discussed (that don’t include arrows) would be better.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
> 
> 
>> On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> The coloured arrows were already in place, all I have done is made
>> them all the same "style". In fact, previously concepts like "save"
>> and "load" were conveyed both with a downward pointing arrow, and the
>> arrow colour was the only point of difference. 
>>
>> I thought I had made an improvement on what was already existing. My
>> intent was not to necessarily do a sweeping redesign. 
>>
>> If this is now an additional requirement I can make these not arrows,
>> but I'd like some direction on what to do instead. It will be hard to
>> fit a more detailed icon. 
>>
>> Other than this, what are your thoughts overall? Is it worth my time
>> pursuing this further? Are these changes good in general and can you
>> see them being merged? 
>>
>> On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh" > > wrote:
>>
>> On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
>> > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>> >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them,
>> please don't
>> >> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left
>> arrow versus
>> >> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will
>> give an
>> > additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have
>> only the
>> > direction of the arrow as a difference. Which is easily
>> overlooked.) I
>> > hope having different colors will make it easier for my brain to
>> > remember which button does what. (I can't tell you how often i
>> clicked
>> > load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the
>> reorganization
>> > of the official lib.)
>>
>> What information does the different color arrow convey?  If you are
>> using different colors for contrast, that is one thing but just making
>> them different colors for informational purposes doesn't make any
>> sense
>> to me.  If you are trying convey information with different color
>> buttons, what is the impact on users who are color blind.
>>
>> >
>> > Maybe there is a better way to communicate differences but if
>> buttons
>> > look as similar as a lot of them currently do, adding
>> differentiating
>> > colors might help.
>> >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Jeff Young]

I think the changes are absolutely good in general, and I’d very much like to 
see them get merged.  Not that I have any control over that. ;)

As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see them go away.  The colour isn’t 
the problem, it’s the arrows themselves. ANY of the alternatives discussed 
(that don’t include arrows) would be better.

Cheers,
Jeff.


> On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters  
> wrote:
> 
> The coloured arrows were already in place, all I have done is made them all 
> the same "style". In fact, previously concepts like "save" and "load" were 
> conveyed both with a downward pointing arrow, and the arrow colour was the 
> only point of difference. 
> 
> I thought I had made an improvement on what was already existing. My intent 
> was not to necessarily do a sweeping redesign. 
> 
> If this is now an additional requirement I can make these not arrows, but I'd 
> like some direction on what to do instead. It will be hard to fit a more 
> detailed icon. 
> 
> Other than this, what are your thoughts overall? Is it worth my time pursuing 
> this further? Are these changes good in general and can you see them being 
> merged? 
> 
> On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh"  > wrote:
> On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
> > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them, please don't
> >> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left arrow versus
> >> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.
> >>
> >
> > I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will give an
> > additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have only the
> > direction of the arrow as a difference. Which is easily overlooked.) I
> > hope having different colors will make it easier for my brain to
> > remember which button does what. (I can't tell you how often i clicked
> > load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the reorganization
> > of the official lib.)
> 
> What information does the different color arrow convey?  If you are
> using different colors for contrast, that is one thing but just making
> them different colors for informational purposes doesn't make any sense
> to me.  If you are trying convey information with different color
> buttons, what is the impact on users who are color blind.
> 
> >
> > Maybe there is a better way to communicate differences but if buttons
> > look as similar as a lot of them currently do, adding differentiating
> > colors might help.
> >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Oliver Walters]

The coloured arrows were already in place, all I have done is made them all
the same "style". In fact, previously concepts like "save" and "load" were
conveyed both with a downward pointing arrow, and the arrow colour was the
only point of difference.

I thought I had made an improvement on what was already existing. My intent
was not to necessarily do a sweeping redesign.

If this is now an additional requirement I can make these not arrows, but
I'd like some direction on what to do instead. It will be hard to fit a
more detailed icon.

Other than this, what are your thoughts overall? Is it worth my time
pursuing this further? Are these changes good in general and can you see
them being merged?

On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh"  wrote:

> On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
> > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them, please don't
> >> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left arrow versus
> >> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.
> >>
> >
> > I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will give an
> > additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have only the
> > direction of the arrow as a difference. Which is easily overlooked.) I
> > hope having different colors will make it easier for my brain to
> > remember which button does what. (I can't tell you how often i clicked
> > load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the reorganization
> > of the official lib.)
>
> What information does the different color arrow convey?  If you are
> using different colors for contrast, that is one thing but just making
> them different colors for informational purposes doesn't make any sense
> to me.  If you are trying convey information with different color
> buttons, what is the impact on users who are color blind.
>
> >
> > Maybe there is a better way to communicate differences but if buttons
> > look as similar as a lot of them currently do, adding differentiating
> > colors might help.
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[eldar.khayrullin]

Look at icons created with people already for 
impressionshttps://icons8.com/icon/free-pack/files/all
 Исходное сообщение От: Michael Kavanagh 
<mich...@michaelkavanagh.me> Дата: 09.01.18  21:07  (GMT+03:00) Кому: 
kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Тема: Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and 
Modedit Icons 
Is there a reason why KiCad doesn't use the standard save icon, i.e. a floppy 
disk?I think basically every piece of software I have used has the floppy disk 
save icon and it might help with the arrow situation.
Cheers,Michael
On 9 January 2018 at 17:42, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:

> On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

>> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them, please don't

>> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left arrow versus

>> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.

>>

>

> I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will give an

> additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have only the

> direction of the arrow as a difference. Which is easily overlooked.) I

> hope having different colors will make it easier for my brain to

> remember which button does what. (I can't tell you how often i clicked

> load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the reorganization

> of the official lib.)



What information does the different color arrow convey?  If you are

using different colors for contrast, that is one thing but just making

them different colors for informational purposes doesn't make any sense

to me.  If you are trying convey information with different color

buttons, what is the impact on users who are color blind.



>

> Maybe there is a better way to communicate differences but if buttons

> look as similar as a lot of them currently do, adding differentiating

> colors might help.

>

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[eldar.khayrullin]

I agree with Michael.And folder icon for Open/Load action and Blank list icon 
for Create new actions.Current icons very difficult to perception for me and I 
see tooltips periodically for simple operations open/new/save.
 Исходное сообщение От: Michael Kavanagh 
<mich...@michaelkavanagh.me> Дата: 09.01.18  21:07  (GMT+03:00) Кому: 
kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Тема: Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and 
Modedit Icons 
Is there a reason why KiCad doesn't use the standard save icon, i.e. a floppy 
disk?I think basically every piece of software I have used has the floppy disk 
save icon and it might help with the arrow situation.
Cheers,Michael
On 9 January 2018 at 17:42, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:

> On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

>> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them, please don't

>> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left arrow versus

>> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.

>>

>

> I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will give an

> additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have only the

> direction of the arrow as a difference. Which is easily overlooked.) I

> hope having different colors will make it easier for my brain to

> remember which button does what. (I can't tell you how often i clicked

> load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the reorganization

> of the official lib.)



What information does the different color arrow convey?  If you are

using different colors for contrast, that is one thing but just making

them different colors for informational purposes doesn't make any sense

to me.  If you are trying convey information with different color

buttons, what is the impact on users who are color blind.



>

> Maybe there is a better way to communicate differences but if buttons

> look as similar as a lot of them currently do, adding differentiating

> colors might help.

>

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Wayne Stambaugh]

On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
> On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them, please don't
>> make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left arrow versus
>> a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.
>>
> 
> I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will give an
> additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have only the
> direction of the arrow as a difference. Which is easily overlooked.) I
> hope having different colors will make it easier for my brain to
> remember which button does what. (I can't tell you how often i clicked
> load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the reorganization
> of the official lib.)

What information does the different color arrow convey?  If you are
using different colors for contrast, that is one thing but just making
them different colors for informational purposes doesn't make any sense
to me.  If you are trying convey information with different color
buttons, what is the impact on users who are color blind.

> 
> Maybe there is a better way to communicate differences but if buttons
> look as similar as a lot of them currently do, adding differentiating
> colors might help.
> 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2018-01-09 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
(I can't tell you how often i clicked load symbol instead 
of update symbol while working on the reorganization of the official lib.)


Pop up tooltips when the mouse is over the icons can also help with that 
problem.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Rene Pöschl]

On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them, please don't
make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left arrow versus
a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.



I like the idea of coloring them differently. For me this will give an 
additional way to distinguish the buttons. (Some of them have only the 
direction of the arrow as a difference. Which is easily overlooked.) I 
hope having different colors will make it easier for my brain to 
remember which button does what. (I can't tell you how often i clicked 
load symbol instead of update symbol while working on the reorganization 
of the official lib.)


Maybe there is a better way to communicate differences but if buttons 
look as similar as a lot of them currently do, adding differentiating 
colors might help.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Wayne Stambaugh]

I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we are going to use them, please don't
make the all different colors.  I don't see how a blue left arrow versus
a magenta right arrow conveys any meaning to the user.

On 1/9/2018 10:01 AM, José Ignacio wrote:
> i dislike the arrows on their own
> too. 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=file+open+icon=isch=M9hUWtfCEMicjwSc-ovYCg=0=N
> looks like a curve arrow in the direction where the book opens, with the
> book partially open would be more recognizable. For the "open
> symbol/footprint from library" icons the best would probably be to have
> the symbol or fp icon come out of an open book.
> 
> On Jan 9, 2018 8:53 AM, "Jeff Young"  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Oliver,
> 
> Looking good.  More comments:
> 
> 1) Go further. ;)  In particular, increase contrast even more by
> removing the fill on the project icons and on the symbol (libedit)
> and footprint (modedit) icons.
> 
> 2) Dark red in schematic icon and symbol icon should match.  (The
> symbol icon is closer to the default colour.)
> 
> 3) The arrows drive me bonkers.  How about a check-mark superimposed
> over icons to show “Set Active ...”, a superimposed folder for “Open
> …”, and a superimposed disk for “Save…”?  Something along the lines of:
> 
> 
> only with more artistic talent. ;)
> 
> (I suppose you could even have arrows coming out of the folder and
> going into the disk, but that might make them overly busy.)
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
> 
>> On 9 Jan 2018, at 14:25, Oliver Walters
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback everyone, I have increased contrast on the
>> "worst icons ever seen" (which for the record I had not yet got
>> around to tweaking, these have been hyperbolically terrible for a
>> while now).
>>
>> Other improvements thus far made:
>>
>> 1. Further simplification of icons, removal of "shadows", "page
>> curls" and other such frivolities
>> 2. Consolidation of icons - e.g. there were about 5 different ways
>> of drawing "module" and "symbol" icons
>> 3. Alignment / color / style issues
>> 4. Further work on "modifier" icons to provide better contrast on
>> all backgrounds (black border + white border, and better color
>> selection)
>>
>> Example from the home-screen:
>>
>> 
>>
>> A larger set of screenshots can be found here -
>> https://imgur.com/a/dm0JQ
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 10:11 PM, Jeff Young > > wrote:
>>
>> I hadn’t noticed the shadows (there’s one on the modedit icon
>> too), but I’d put them in the same camp as the turned-up
>> corners: adding visual complexity without any cognitive benefit.
>>
>> The *’s are commonly used to mean “new”.  (They should be more
>> of a glint than a star, but that’s difficult in a few pixels.)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jeff.
>>
>>
>>> On 9 Jan 2018, at 07:02, Andrey Kuznetsov
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Oliver thanks,
>>>
>>> Here's a couple more comments in addition to Jeff's.
>>>
>>> 1. I agree with Jeff on the Gerber icon, it's not clear which
>>> is which PCB layout vs Gerber.
>>> 2. Why are the books different height??? Make red book same
>>> height as green book.
>>> 3. I don't understand the meaning of the * on the icons.
>>> 4. See if making the red book a little more bright red, makes
>>> it look better, thanks for changing the yellow book to blue.
>>> Try checking if a black shadow around the + sign on the book
>>> icon makes it look better instead of the white. Same thing
>>> for all the arrows.
>>> 5. I agree with Jeff, not sure the complexity of the folded
>>> sheet corner is welcomed.
>>> 6. Anyone else thinks the shadow under the amplifier for the
>>> symbol edit button makes it look weird?
>>>
>>> I LIKE:
>>> 1. The calculator button, I wanted to suggest it, but didn't.
>>> 2. The empty worksheet layout button.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Oliver
>>> Walters >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> What about something like this?
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I have also gone through the entire icon set and
>>> standardized the "modifier" icons (save / load / import /
>>> export / new / etc) as they all had different style /
>>> shape / color.
>>>
>>> e.g.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Wayne
>>> Stambaugh >> 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Kristoffer Ödmark]

Good job! Theese are very clear improvements!

I must say though, I do not really like the Gerbviewer icon much. The 
colors are a bit contrasting to the rest of the icons, and I was 
probably wrong about the GBR thing, I feel that removing the Magnifying 
glass only on the previous one would be much more clear.


The black n white papers reminds me of when I used to etch my own pcbs 
and printed the layout to paper!


The rest of the icons are looking amazing!

 -Kristoffer

On 01/09/2018 03:25 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:

Thanks for the feedback everyone, I have increased contrast on the "worst
icons ever seen" (which for the record I had not yet got around to
tweaking, these have been hyperbolically terrible for a while now).

Other improvements thus far made:

1. Further simplification of icons, removal of "shadows", "page curls" and
other such frivolities
2. Consolidation of icons - e.g. there were about 5 different ways of
drawing "module" and "symbol" icons
3. Alignment / color / style issues
4. Further work on "modifier" icons to provide better contrast on all
backgrounds (black border + white border, and better color selection)

Example from the home-screen:

[image: Inline image 1]

A larger set of screenshots can be found here - https://imgur.com/a/dm0JQ

Cheers,


On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 10:11 PM, Jeff Young  wrote:


I hadn’t noticed the shadows (there’s one on the modedit icon too), but
I’d put them in the same camp as the turned-up corners: adding visual
complexity without any cognitive benefit.

The *’s are commonly used to mean “new”.  (They should be more of a glint
than a star, but that’s difficult in a few pixels.)

Cheers,
Jeff.


On 9 Jan 2018, at 07:02, Andrey Kuznetsov  wrote:

Oliver thanks,

Here's a couple more comments in addition to Jeff's.

1. I agree with Jeff on the Gerber icon, it's not clear which is which PCB
layout vs Gerber.
2. Why are the books different height??? Make red book same height as
green book.
3. I don't understand the meaning of the * on the icons.
4. See if making the red book a little more bright red, makes it look
better, thanks for changing the yellow book to blue. Try checking if a
black shadow around the + sign on the book icon makes it look better
instead of the white. Same thing for all the arrows.
5. I agree with Jeff, not sure the complexity of the folded sheet corner
is welcomed.
6. Anyone else thinks the shadow under the amplifier for the symbol edit
button makes it look weird?

I LIKE:
1. The calculator button, I wanted to suggest it, but didn't.
2. The empty worksheet layout button.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Oliver Walters  wrote:


What about something like this?



I have also gone through the entire icon set and standardized the
"modifier" icons (save / load / import / export / new / etc) as they all
had different style / shape / color.

e.g.



On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Wayne Stambaugh 
wrote:


I see some poorly stacked books in these images as well and all of which
are way to large to be toolbar and menu icons.  As I said, if you can
pull if off then I'm fine with it.

On 01/07/2018 03:51 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:

Hi Wayne,

The problem I had with the library icon is that there are only 2 books,
and a ruler, that's what it looks like to me, and the 2 books are
stacked using a weird tilt angle, usually you'd expect the books to be
stacked straight on the left side, and the book on the right to be
tilted into the books on the left. It's the opposite in the current

icon.


Plenty of book icons online to draw inspiration from, or even creative
commons:
https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon
 go to images

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Wayne Stambaugh > wrote:

 My project leader hat is getting a workout today.  Here is what I

would

 like to see:

 Revert the libedit and modedit icons without pencils since we are

doing

 away with whole pencil idea.  The original blueprint concept for

these

 icons was clever but they ended up looking a bit busy and didn't

really

 fit in with the rest of our icons.

 Remove the magnifying glass from the appropriate icons since it is

in

 the same vein as the pencil.

 Use the gerber file file extension (gbr) on the gerbview icon if

we must

 use any text.  I'm still not convinced that this is the best

solution

 but I can't think of a better idea off the top of my head.

 Please consider muting the green of the board editor icon.  From

the

 images I've seen the bright green is a bit harsh.  Maybe a slightly
 darker shade of green would be better.  I've looked a hundreds of

green

 PCBs in my career and I don't ever remember any of them hurting my

eyes.


 As for the library icons, I'm fine with those.  If you 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Jeff Young]

Hi Oliver,

Nice work.

A couple of comments:

1) The “new” stars are usually gold in most apps.

2) Are the folded up corners on the schematic and pcb icons really doing us any 
good (other than adding visual complexity)?  It might be time to part ways with 
them….

3) I thought we were going to add GBR to the gerber icon?  (The different 
colours make it easy to distinguish from the pcb icon, but without the text I 
don’t know which is which.)

4) I like the library shelf books in the “right” order. :)

5) Jean-Paul is probably right that we need higher contrast on at least the 
project icons.  Once we have that, we also need to replace the project file 
icons in the list with a project icon that looks like the new/open/etc. project 
icons.

Keep going!

Cheers,
Jeff.

> On 8 Jan 2018, at 20:58, Jean-Paul Louis  wrote:
> 
> Oliver,
> 
> I usually try not to criticize someone else hard work, but
> these six top icons are for me the worst I ever saw.
> Let me qualify. My eyes are not like the ones of a teenager,
> so the extreme lack of contrast make them to me very hard to read.
> The only one that at first glance make sense to me is the last one,
> even with such a bad contrast. The other ones are all washed out for me.
> UI (user interface) useability is a science, not an art.
> 
> Please advise.
> 
> My $0.02,
> Jean-Paul
> N1JPL
> 
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2018, at 3:36 PM, Oliver Walters  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> What about something like this?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have also gone through the entire icon set and standardized the "modifier" 
>> icons (save / load / import / export / new / etc) as they all had different 
>> style / shape / color.
>> 
>> e.g.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
>> I see some poorly stacked books in these images as well and all of which
>> are way to large to be toolbar and menu icons.  As I said, if you can
>> pull if off then I'm fine with it.
>> 
>> On 01/07/2018 03:51 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>>> Hi Wayne,
>>> 
>>> The problem I had with the library icon is that there are only 2 books,
>>> and a ruler, that's what it looks like to me, and the 2 books are
>>> stacked using a weird tilt angle, usually you'd expect the books to be
>>> stacked straight on the left side, and the book on the right to be
>>> tilted into the books on the left. It's the opposite in the current icon.
>>> 
>>> Plenty of book icons online to draw inspiration from, or even creative
>>> commons:
>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon
>>>  go to images
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Wayne Stambaugh >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>My project leader hat is getting a workout today.  Here is what I would
>>>like to see:
>>> 
>>>Revert the libedit and modedit icons without pencils since we are doing
>>>away with whole pencil idea.  The original blueprint concept for these
>>>icons was clever but they ended up looking a bit busy and didn't really
>>>fit in with the rest of our icons.
>>> 
>>>Remove the magnifying glass from the appropriate icons since it is in
>>>the same vein as the pencil.
>>> 
>>>Use the gerber file file extension (gbr) on the gerbview icon if we must
>>>use any text.  I'm still not convinced that this is the best solution
>>>but I can't think of a better idea off the top of my head.
>>> 
>>>Please consider muting the green of the board editor icon.  From the
>>>images I've seen the bright green is a bit harsh.  Maybe a slightly
>>>darker shade of green would be better.  I've looked a hundreds of green
>>>PCBs in my career and I don't ever remember any of them hurting my eyes.
>>> 
>>>As for the library icons, I'm fine with those.  If you stack the books
>>>neatly, would they still look like books?  I'm guessing they wouldn't
>>>but if someone can come up with an orderly book icon than I'm OK
>>>with that.
>>> 
>>>Cheers,
>>> 
>>>Wayne
>>> 
>>> 
>>>On 01/07/2018 01:43 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
 I think GBR might be confusing since Gerber has 2 Rs, why not GRB, see
 what I mean? I know it's the file extension .gbr, but how many new
 people will figure it out easily? I think "Gerb" would be much better,
 besides, the older existing icons use LM2902-N, etc in the icon and
 that's still readable by me on 1080p with regular DPI, so Gerb would
 definitely fit.
 
 I think 3-4 letters on the icons would definitely help, like Krisoffer
 suggested.
 
 On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:59 AM, Jeff Young 
 >> wrote:
 
+1 to eeschema icon changes
 
+1 to reverting libedit and modedit, but with no pencils
 
+1 to no magnifying glass  (the drill 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Jean-Paul Louis]

Oliver,

I usually try not to criticize someone else hard work, but
these six top icons are for me the worst I ever saw.
Let me qualify. My eyes are not like the ones of a teenager,
so the extreme lack of contrast make them to me very hard to read.
The only one that at first glance make sense to me is the last one,
even with such a bad contrast. The other ones are all washed out for me.
UI (user interface) useability is a science, not an art.

Please advise.

My $0.02,
Jean-Paul
N1JPL


> On Jan 8, 2018, at 3:36 PM, Oliver Walters  
> wrote:
> 
> What about something like this?
> 
> 
> 
> I have also gone through the entire icon set and standardized the "modifier" 
> icons (save / load / import / export / new / etc) as they all had different 
> style / shape / color.
> 
> e.g.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 7:56 AM, Wayne Stambaugh  wrote:
> I see some poorly stacked books in these images as well and all of which
> are way to large to be toolbar and menu icons.  As I said, if you can
> pull if off then I'm fine with it.
> 
> On 01/07/2018 03:51 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> > Hi Wayne,
> >
> > The problem I had with the library icon is that there are only 2 books,
> > and a ruler, that's what it looks like to me, and the 2 books are
> > stacked using a weird tilt angle, usually you'd expect the books to be
> > stacked straight on the left side, and the book on the right to be
> > tilted into the books on the left. It's the opposite in the current icon.
> >
> > Plenty of book icons online to draw inspiration from, or even creative
> > commons:
> > https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon
> >  go to images
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Wayne Stambaugh  > > wrote:
> >
> > My project leader hat is getting a workout today.  Here is what I would
> > like to see:
> >
> > Revert the libedit and modedit icons without pencils since we are doing
> > away with whole pencil idea.  The original blueprint concept for these
> > icons was clever but they ended up looking a bit busy and didn't really
> > fit in with the rest of our icons.
> >
> > Remove the magnifying glass from the appropriate icons since it is in
> > the same vein as the pencil.
> >
> > Use the gerber file file extension (gbr) on the gerbview icon if we must
> > use any text.  I'm still not convinced that this is the best solution
> > but I can't think of a better idea off the top of my head.
> >
> > Please consider muting the green of the board editor icon.  From the
> > images I've seen the bright green is a bit harsh.  Maybe a slightly
> > darker shade of green would be better.  I've looked a hundreds of green
> > PCBs in my career and I don't ever remember any of them hurting my eyes.
> >
> > As for the library icons, I'm fine with those.  If you stack the books
> > neatly, would they still look like books?  I'm guessing they wouldn't
> > but if someone can come up with an orderly book icon than I'm OK
> > with that.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> >
> > On 01/07/2018 01:43 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> > > I think GBR might be confusing since Gerber has 2 Rs, why not GRB, see
> > > what I mean? I know it's the file extension .gbr, but how many new
> > > people will figure it out easily? I think "Gerb" would be much better,
> > > besides, the older existing icons use LM2902-N, etc in the icon and
> > > that's still readable by me on 1080p with regular DPI, so Gerb would
> > > definitely fit.
> > >
> > > I think 3-4 letters on the icons would definitely help, like Krisoffer
> > > suggested.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:59 AM, Jeff Young  > 
> > > >> wrote:
> > >
> > > +1 to eeschema icon changes
> > >
> > > +1 to reverting libedit and modedit, but with no pencils
> > >
> > > +1 to no magnifying glass  (the drill file, net and BOM icons all
> > > have three letters on them; I’m sure GBR would fit on the gerber 
> > icon)
> > >
> > > I still think we need to change the project icon in the navigation
> > > to something similar to the New Project icons (instead of the
> > > application icon).
> > >
> > > Kudos to Oliver for spear-heading this.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Jeff.
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 7 Jan 2018, at 08:32, Andrey Kuznetsov  > 
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I agree, no pencils, no magnifying glass.
> > >>
> > >> By the way, anyone else thinks the .lib file icons in the
> > >>

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

One more thing about the current lib icon, why are the books/binders of
different height?
Do not use yellow objects on white backgrounds in icon, yellow is almost
always invisible.

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:39 PM, Vesa Solonen  wrote:

> Andrey Kuznetsov kirjoitti 07/01/18 klo 22:51:
>
> > The problem I had with the library icon is that there are only 2 books,
> and
> > a ruler, that's what it looks like to me, and the 2 books are stacked
> using
> > a weird tilt angle, usually you'd expect the books to be stacked straight
>
> To me they look perfectly fine bunch of files thrown on a shelf without
> side support. The one that is tilted is just not full yet and has bad
> balance as result (BTW they would fall that way too...). Neat stack
> example [1] and less neat (but wrong tilt direction) [2].
>
> Oh the joys of bikeshedding, but do they really need change for the sake
> of just change? File browser icons are quite a coherent set.
>
> -Vesa
>
>
> [1]
> http://www.ekmansystems.fi/1479-large_default/no-kansio-
> plastimap-a47punainen--120280no.jpg
>
> [2]
> https://www.shutterstock.com/fi/image-vector/documentation-
> folders-icon-flat-style-isolated-486347626
>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Vesa Solonen]

Andrey Kuznetsov kirjoitti 07/01/18 klo 22:51:

> The problem I had with the library icon is that there are only 2 books, and
> a ruler, that's what it looks like to me, and the 2 books are stacked using
> a weird tilt angle, usually you'd expect the books to be stacked straight

To me they look perfectly fine bunch of files thrown on a shelf without
side support. The one that is tilted is just not full yet and has bad
balance as result (BTW they would fall that way too...). Neat stack
example [1] and less neat (but wrong tilt direction) [2].

Oh the joys of bikeshedding, but do they really need change for the sake
of just change? File browser icons are quite a coherent set.

-Vesa


[1]
http://www.ekmansystems.fi/1479-large_default/no-kansio-plastimap-a47punainen--120280no.jpg

[2]
https://www.shutterstock.com/fi/image-vector/documentation-folders-icon-flat-style-isolated-486347626

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Wayne Stambaugh]

I see some poorly stacked books in these images as well and all of which
are way to large to be toolbar and menu icons.  As I said, if you can
pull if off then I'm fine with it.

On 01/07/2018 03:51 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> Hi Wayne,
> 
> The problem I had with the library icon is that there are only 2 books,
> and a ruler, that's what it looks like to me, and the 2 books are
> stacked using a weird tilt angle, usually you'd expect the books to be
> stacked straight on the left side, and the book on the right to be
> tilted into the books on the left. It's the opposite in the current icon.
> 
> Plenty of book icons online to draw inspiration from, or even creative
> commons:
> https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon
>  go to images
> 
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Wayne Stambaugh  > wrote:
> 
> My project leader hat is getting a workout today.  Here is what I would
> like to see:
> 
> Revert the libedit and modedit icons without pencils since we are doing
> away with whole pencil idea.  The original blueprint concept for these
> icons was clever but they ended up looking a bit busy and didn't really
> fit in with the rest of our icons.
> 
> Remove the magnifying glass from the appropriate icons since it is in
> the same vein as the pencil.
> 
> Use the gerber file file extension (gbr) on the gerbview icon if we must
> use any text.  I'm still not convinced that this is the best solution
> but I can't think of a better idea off the top of my head.
> 
> Please consider muting the green of the board editor icon.  From the
> images I've seen the bright green is a bit harsh.  Maybe a slightly
> darker shade of green would be better.  I've looked a hundreds of green
> PCBs in my career and I don't ever remember any of them hurting my eyes.
> 
> As for the library icons, I'm fine with those.  If you stack the books
> neatly, would they still look like books?  I'm guessing they wouldn't
> but if someone can come up with an orderly book icon than I'm OK
> with that.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Wayne
> 
> 
> On 01/07/2018 01:43 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> > I think GBR might be confusing since Gerber has 2 Rs, why not GRB, see
> > what I mean? I know it's the file extension .gbr, but how many new
> > people will figure it out easily? I think "Gerb" would be much better,
> > besides, the older existing icons use LM2902-N, etc in the icon and
> > that's still readable by me on 1080p with regular DPI, so Gerb would
> > definitely fit.
> >
> > I think 3-4 letters on the icons would definitely help, like Krisoffer
> > suggested.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:59 AM, Jeff Young  
> > >> wrote:
> >
> >     +1 to eeschema icon changes
> >
> >     +1 to reverting libedit and modedit, but with no pencils
> >
> >     +1 to no magnifying glass  (the drill file, net and BOM icons all
> >     have three letters on them; I’m sure GBR would fit on the gerber 
> icon)
> >
> >     I still think we need to change the project icon in the navigation
> >     to something similar to the New Project icons (instead of the
> >     application icon).
> >
> >     Kudos to Oliver for spear-heading this.
> >
> >     Cheers,
> >     Jeff.
> >
> >
> >>     On 7 Jan 2018, at 08:32, Andrey Kuznetsov  
> >>     >> wrote:
> >>
> >>     I agree, no pencils, no magnifying glass.
> >>
> >>     By the way, anyone else thinks the .lib file icons in the
> >>     navigation looks weird? If it's meant to look like a few stacked
> >>     books, why are they tilted in weird directions?
> >>
> >>     On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:26 AM, Simon Wells  
> >>     >> wrote:
> >>
> >>         if the modedit/libedit icons are to be reverted then i believe
> >>         the pencils should be removed, seeing as they were used to
> >>         portray edit i believe but now that pcbnew/eeschema don’t have
> >>         them they just seem odd
> >>
> >>>         On 7/01/2018, at 2:28 PM, Nick Østergaard  
> >>>         >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>         I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in eeschema
> >>>         to the old one, which made much more sense to me thatn the
> >>>         current one.
> >>>
> >>>         2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters
> >>>  

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

Hi Wayne,

The problem I had with the library icon is that there are only 2 books, and
a ruler, that's what it looks like to me, and the 2 books are stacked using
a weird tilt angle, usually you'd expect the books to be stacked straight
on the left side, and the book on the right to be tilted into the books on
the left. It's the opposite in the current icon.

Plenty of book icons online to draw inspiration from, or even creative
commons:
https://www.google.com/search?q=library+book+icon go to images

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:45 PM, Wayne Stambaugh 
wrote:

> My project leader hat is getting a workout today.  Here is what I would
> like to see:
>
> Revert the libedit and modedit icons without pencils since we are doing
> away with whole pencil idea.  The original blueprint concept for these
> icons was clever but they ended up looking a bit busy and didn't really
> fit in with the rest of our icons.
>
> Remove the magnifying glass from the appropriate icons since it is in
> the same vein as the pencil.
>
> Use the gerber file file extension (gbr) on the gerbview icon if we must
> use any text.  I'm still not convinced that this is the best solution
> but I can't think of a better idea off the top of my head.
>
> Please consider muting the green of the board editor icon.  From the
> images I've seen the bright green is a bit harsh.  Maybe a slightly
> darker shade of green would be better.  I've looked a hundreds of green
> PCBs in my career and I don't ever remember any of them hurting my eyes.
>
> As for the library icons, I'm fine with those.  If you stack the books
> neatly, would they still look like books?  I'm guessing they wouldn't
> but if someone can come up with an orderly book icon than I'm OK with that.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Wayne
>
>
> On 01/07/2018 01:43 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> > I think GBR might be confusing since Gerber has 2 Rs, why not GRB, see
> > what I mean? I know it's the file extension .gbr, but how many new
> > people will figure it out easily? I think "Gerb" would be much better,
> > besides, the older existing icons use LM2902-N, etc in the icon and
> > that's still readable by me on 1080p with regular DPI, so Gerb would
> > definitely fit.
> >
> > I think 3-4 letters on the icons would definitely help, like Krisoffer
> > suggested.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:59 AM, Jeff Young  > > wrote:
> >
> > +1 to eeschema icon changes
> >
> > +1 to reverting libedit and modedit, but with no pencils
> >
> > +1 to no magnifying glass  (the drill file, net and BOM icons all
> > have three letters on them; I’m sure GBR would fit on the gerber
> icon)
> >
> > I still think we need to change the project icon in the navigation
> > to something similar to the New Project icons (instead of the
> > application icon).
> >
> > Kudos to Oliver for spear-heading this.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jeff.
> >
> >
> >> On 7 Jan 2018, at 08:32, Andrey Kuznetsov  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I agree, no pencils, no magnifying glass.
> >>
> >> By the way, anyone else thinks the .lib file icons in the
> >> navigation looks weird? If it's meant to look like a few stacked
> >> books, why are they tilted in weird directions?
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:26 AM, Simon Wells  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> if the modedit/libedit icons are to be reverted then i believe
> >> the pencils should be removed, seeing as they were used to
> >> portray edit i believe but now that pcbnew/eeschema don’t have
> >> them they just seem odd
> >>
> >>> On 7/01/2018, at 2:28 PM, Nick Østergaard  >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in eeschema
> >>> to the old one, which made much more sense to me thatn the
> >>> current one.
> >>>
> >>> 2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters
> >>>  >>> >:
> >>>
> >>> I have attached a patchset which performs the following:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
> >>> 2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
> >>> 3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
> >>> 4. Update colors of eeschema icon
> >>> 5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a number of
> >>> icons to fix graphic alignment issues
> >>>
> >>> Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters
> >>>  >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Wayne Stambaugh]

My project leader hat is getting a workout today.  Here is what I would
like to see:

Revert the libedit and modedit icons without pencils since we are doing
away with whole pencil idea.  The original blueprint concept for these
icons was clever but they ended up looking a bit busy and didn't really
fit in with the rest of our icons.

Remove the magnifying glass from the appropriate icons since it is in
the same vein as the pencil.

Use the gerber file file extension (gbr) on the gerbview icon if we must
use any text.  I'm still not convinced that this is the best solution
but I can't think of a better idea off the top of my head.

Please consider muting the green of the board editor icon.  From the
images I've seen the bright green is a bit harsh.  Maybe a slightly
darker shade of green would be better.  I've looked a hundreds of green
PCBs in my career and I don't ever remember any of them hurting my eyes.

As for the library icons, I'm fine with those.  If you stack the books
neatly, would they still look like books?  I'm guessing they wouldn't
but if someone can come up with an orderly book icon than I'm OK with that.

Cheers,

Wayne


On 01/07/2018 01:43 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> I think GBR might be confusing since Gerber has 2 Rs, why not GRB, see
> what I mean? I know it's the file extension .gbr, but how many new
> people will figure it out easily? I think "Gerb" would be much better,
> besides, the older existing icons use LM2902-N, etc in the icon and
> that's still readable by me on 1080p with regular DPI, so Gerb would
> definitely fit.
> 
> I think 3-4 letters on the icons would definitely help, like Krisoffer
> suggested.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:59 AM, Jeff Young  > wrote:
> 
> +1 to eeschema icon changes
> 
> +1 to reverting libedit and modedit, but with no pencils
> 
> +1 to no magnifying glass  (the drill file, net and BOM icons all
> have three letters on them; I’m sure GBR would fit on the gerber icon)
> 
> I still think we need to change the project icon in the navigation
> to something similar to the New Project icons (instead of the
> application icon).
> 
> Kudos to Oliver for spear-heading this.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
> 
> 
>> On 7 Jan 2018, at 08:32, Andrey Kuznetsov > > wrote:
>>
>> I agree, no pencils, no magnifying glass.
>>
>> By the way, anyone else thinks the .lib file icons in the
>> navigation looks weird? If it's meant to look like a few stacked
>> books, why are they tilted in weird directions?
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:26 AM, Simon Wells > > wrote:
>>
>> if the modedit/libedit icons are to be reverted then i believe
>> the pencils should be removed, seeing as they were used to
>> portray edit i believe but now that pcbnew/eeschema don’t have
>> them they just seem odd
>>
>>> On 7/01/2018, at 2:28 PM, Nick Østergaard >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in eeschema
>>> to the old one, which made much more sense to me thatn the
>>> current one.
>>>
>>> 2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters
>>> >> >:
>>>
>>> I have attached a patchset which performs the following:
>>>
>>> 1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
>>> 2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
>>> 3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
>>> 4. Update colors of eeschema icon
>>> 5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a number of
>>> icons to fix graphic alignment issues
>>>
>>> Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina"
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I wish we had something resembling a policy for
>>> icons. It seems like
>>> someone always wants to change them. We had
>>> decent icons for these
>>> _before_, and then someone submitted new ones,
>>> and they were accepted
>>> because... I don't know? Many of the new icons
>>> are really ambiguous and
>>> kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and not *my*
>>>

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Chris Pavlina]

"GBR" is the standard abbreviation. Here's the official logo direct from
Ucamco:

https://www.ucamco.com/images/product_images/image/69/gbrx2_256x256_black_bg.png

If we put the name of the format in the icon, it should be loosely based
on that. GRB is a horrible idea, nobody abbreviates it to that.

On Sun, Jan 07, 2018 at 06:43:05PM +, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> I think GBR might be confusing since Gerber has 2 Rs, why not GRB, see what
> I mean? I know it's the file extension .gbr, but how many new people will
> figure it out easily? I think "Gerb" would be much better, besides, the
> older existing icons use LM2902-N, etc in the icon and that's still
> readable by me on 1080p with regular DPI, so Gerb would definitely fit.
> 
> I think 3-4 letters on the icons would definitely help, like Krisoffer
> suggested.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:59 AM, Jeff Young  wrote:
> 
> > +1 to eeschema icon changes
> >
> > +1 to reverting libedit and modedit, but with no pencils
> >
> > +1 to no magnifying glass  (the drill file, net and BOM icons all have
> > three letters on them; I’m sure GBR would fit on the gerber icon)
> >
> > I still think we need to change the project icon in the navigation to
> > something similar to the New Project icons (instead of the application
> > icon).
> >
> > Kudos to Oliver for spear-heading this.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jeff.
> >
> >
> > On 7 Jan 2018, at 08:32, Andrey Kuznetsov  wrote:
> >
> > I agree, no pencils, no magnifying glass.
> >
> > By the way, anyone else thinks the .lib file icons in the navigation looks
> > weird? If it's meant to look like a few stacked books, why are they tilted
> > in weird directions?
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:26 AM, Simon Wells  wrote:
> >
> >> if the modedit/libedit icons are to be reverted then i believe the
> >> pencils should be removed, seeing as they were used to portray edit i
> >> believe but now that pcbnew/eeschema don’t have them they just seem odd
> >>
> >> On 7/01/2018, at 2:28 PM, Nick Østergaard  wrote:
> >>
> >> I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in eeschema to the old
> >> one, which made much more sense to me thatn the current one.
> >>
> >> 2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters 
> >> :
> >>
> >>> I have attached a patchset which performs the following:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
> >>> 2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
> >>> 3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
> >>> 4. Update colors of eeschema icon
> >>> 5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a number of icons to fix
> >>> graphic alignment issues
> >>>
> >>> Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters <
> >>> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina"  wrote:
> 
>  I wish we had something resembling a policy for icons. It seems like
>  someone always wants to change them. We had decent icons for these
>  _before_, and then someone submitted new ones, and they were accepted
>  because... I don't know? Many of the new icons are really ambiguous and
>  kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.
> 
> 
>  This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and not *my* change, I remember
>  how the argument went last time, before they were silently merged.
> 
>  I also note that there is a lack of consistency between similar icons.
>  e.g. there are many icons which incorporate an arrow but the style/shape 
>  of
>  the arrows varies.
> 
>  For the record, I like these proposed ones. They bring back the ability
>  to recognize them at a glance.
> 
>  On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
>  > I would love to see improved icons, I still never get used to them so
>  i read
>  > the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and which one is module
>  editor.
>  >
>  > Luckily most of the time I only need to double click the kicad_pcb
>  file
>  > anyway :)
>  >
>  >
>  > On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote:
>  > > 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young   > > >:
>  > >
>  > > +1
>  > >
>  > > And I like Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d suggest two further
>  > > changes though:
>  > >
>  > > 1) The schematic icon (which Oliver didn’t change) should really
>  > > use the default colours (dark red symbols, green wires).  Then
>  > > there’s a stronger tie-in with the libedit icon.
>  > >
>  > > 2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and
>  > > change the pad colour to the default (yellow).
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > The default pad color is not yellow, 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

I think GBR might be confusing since Gerber has 2 Rs, why not GRB, see what
I mean? I know it's the file extension .gbr, but how many new people will
figure it out easily? I think "Gerb" would be much better, besides, the
older existing icons use LM2902-N, etc in the icon and that's still
readable by me on 1080p with regular DPI, so Gerb would definitely fit.

I think 3-4 letters on the icons would definitely help, like Krisoffer
suggested.

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 1:59 AM, Jeff Young  wrote:

> +1 to eeschema icon changes
>
> +1 to reverting libedit and modedit, but with no pencils
>
> +1 to no magnifying glass  (the drill file, net and BOM icons all have
> three letters on them; I’m sure GBR would fit on the gerber icon)
>
> I still think we need to change the project icon in the navigation to
> something similar to the New Project icons (instead of the application
> icon).
>
> Kudos to Oliver for spear-heading this.
>
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
>
>
> On 7 Jan 2018, at 08:32, Andrey Kuznetsov  wrote:
>
> I agree, no pencils, no magnifying glass.
>
> By the way, anyone else thinks the .lib file icons in the navigation looks
> weird? If it's meant to look like a few stacked books, why are they tilted
> in weird directions?
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:26 AM, Simon Wells  wrote:
>
>> if the modedit/libedit icons are to be reverted then i believe the
>> pencils should be removed, seeing as they were used to portray edit i
>> believe but now that pcbnew/eeschema don’t have them they just seem odd
>>
>> On 7/01/2018, at 2:28 PM, Nick Østergaard  wrote:
>>
>> I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in eeschema to the old
>> one, which made much more sense to me thatn the current one.
>>
>> 2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters 
>> :
>>
>>> I have attached a patchset which performs the following:
>>>
>>> 1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
>>> 2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
>>> 3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
>>> 4. Update colors of eeschema icon
>>> 5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a number of icons to fix
>>> graphic alignment issues
>>>
>>> Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters <
>>> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina"  wrote:

 I wish we had something resembling a policy for icons. It seems like
 someone always wants to change them. We had decent icons for these
 _before_, and then someone submitted new ones, and they were accepted
 because... I don't know? Many of the new icons are really ambiguous and
 kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.


 This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and not *my* change, I remember
 how the argument went last time, before they were silently merged.

 I also note that there is a lack of consistency between similar icons.
 e.g. there are many icons which incorporate an arrow but the style/shape of
 the arrows varies.

 For the record, I like these proposed ones. They bring back the ability
 to recognize them at a glance.

 On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
 > I would love to see improved icons, I still never get used to them so
 i read
 > the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and which one is module
 editor.
 >
 > Luckily most of the time I only need to double click the kicad_pcb
 file
 > anyway :)
 >
 >
 > On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote:
 > > 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young  > >:
 > >
 > > +1
 > >
 > > And I like Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d suggest two further
 > > changes though:
 > >
 > > 1) The schematic icon (which Oliver didn’t change) should really
 > > use the default colours (dark red symbols, green wires).  Then
 > > there’s a stronger tie-in with the libedit icon.
 > >
 > > 2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and
 > > change the pad colour to the default (yellow).
 > >
 > >
 > > The default pad color is not yellow, that is only what you see for
 THT
 > > pads. Default pad color is green for bottom and red for top copper
 > >
 > >
 > > 3) Projects should use the current New Project icon, rather than
 > > the application icon.
 > >
 > >
 > > I have considered to submit a patch for this for some time, but I
 guess
 > > it is an appropiate time to do this with a major version bump.
 > >
 > >
 > > 4) Both the New Project and New Project from Template icons
 should
 > > get yellow “new” star.
 > >
 > > 5) New Footprint in modedit 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[kristoffer Ödmark]

I agree on all of this points, unsure about the GBR, but i think it 
might help in the same way that the netlist icon has "NET".


In addition the DRC ladybug icon could use the letters DRC.

The current set of icons are really "engineer-icons" as i like to call 
them, they try to tell the entire function-set of the program/product, 
instead of an icons purpose of being easier/faster to recognize than 
reading its name. Almost every Technical researcher and Engineer i have 
met falls for this, including me.


Also, not many icons actually do better than a 3 letter 
word/abbreviation as long as it is very common knowledge.


Just my opinions, feel free to discard them if you like :)

Ps. thank you Oliver for putting in the time here. Everytime i present a 
student to KiCad the icons are actually confusing them more than helping 
from what I see.


- Kristoffer


On 2018-01-07 10:59, Jeff Young wrote:

+1 to eeschema icon changes

+1 to reverting libedit and modedit, but with no pencils

+1 to no magnifying glass  (the drill file, net and BOM icons all have 
three letters on them; I’m sure GBR would fit on the gerber icon)


I still think we need to change the project icon in the navigation to 
something similar to the New Project icons (instead of the application 
icon).


Kudos to Oliver for spear-heading this.

Cheers,
Jeff.

On 7 Jan 2018, at 08:32, Andrey Kuznetsov > wrote:


I agree, no pencils, no magnifying glass.

By the way, anyone else thinks the .lib file icons in the navigation 
looks weird? If it's meant to look like a few stacked books, why are 
they tilted in weird directions?


On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:26 AM, Simon Wells > wrote:


if the modedit/libedit icons are to be reverted then i believe
the pencils should be removed, seeing as they were used to
portray edit i believe but now that pcbnew/eeschema don’t have
them they just seem odd


On 7/01/2018, at 2:28 PM, Nick Østergaard > wrote:

I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in eeschema to
the old one, which made much more sense to me thatn the current one.

2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters
>:

I have attached a patchset which performs the following:

1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
4. Update colors of eeschema icon
5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a number of
icons to fix graphic alignment issues

Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:







On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters
> wrote:

On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina"
> wrote:

I wish we had something resembling a policy for
icons. It seems like
someone always wants to change them. We had decent
icons for these
_before_, and then someone submitted new ones, and
they were accepted
because... I don't know? Many of the new icons are
really ambiguous and
kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.


This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and not *my*
change, I remember how the argument went last time,
before they were silently merged.

I also note that there is a lack of consistency between
similar icons. e.g. there are many icons which
incorporate an arrow but the style/shape of the arrows
varies.

For the record, I like these proposed ones. They
bring back the ability
to recognize them at a glance.

On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +, kristoffer
Ödmark wrote:
> I would love to see improved icons, I still never
get used to them so i read
> the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and which
one is module editor.
>
> Luckily most of the time I only need to double
click the kicad_pcb file
> anyway :)
>
>
> On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> > 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young

> > >>:
> >
> >  +1
> >
> >  And I like Oliver’s proposed 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Jeff Young]

+1 to eeschema icon changes

+1 to reverting libedit and modedit, but with no pencils

+1 to no magnifying glass  (the drill file, net and BOM icons all have three 
letters on them; I’m sure GBR would fit on the gerber icon)

I still think we need to change the project icon in the navigation to something 
similar to the New Project icons (instead of the application icon).

Kudos to Oliver for spear-heading this.

Cheers,
Jeff.

> On 7 Jan 2018, at 08:32, Andrey Kuznetsov  wrote:
> 
> I agree, no pencils, no magnifying glass.
> 
> By the way, anyone else thinks the .lib file icons in the navigation looks 
> weird? If it's meant to look like a few stacked books, why are they tilted in 
> weird directions?
> 
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:26 AM, Simon Wells  > wrote:
> if the modedit/libedit icons are to be reverted then i believe the pencils 
> should be removed, seeing as they were used to portray edit i believe but now 
> that pcbnew/eeschema don’t have them they just seem odd
> 
>> On 7/01/2018, at 2:28 PM, Nick Østergaard > > wrote:
>> 
>> I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in eeschema to the old 
>> one, which made much more sense to me thatn the current one.
>> 
>> 2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters > >:
>> I have attached a patchset which performs the following:
>> 
>> 1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
>> 2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
>> 3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
>> 4. Update colors of eeschema icon
>> 5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a number of icons to fix graphic 
>> alignment issues
>> 
>> Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters 
>> > 
>> wrote:
>> On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina" > > wrote:
>> I wish we had something resembling a policy for icons. It seems like
>> someone always wants to change them. We had decent icons for these
>> _before_, and then someone submitted new ones, and they were accepted
>> because... I don't know? Many of the new icons are really ambiguous and
>> kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.
>> 
>> This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and not *my* change, I remember how 
>> the argument went last time, before they were silently merged. 
>> 
>> I also note that there is a lack of consistency between similar icons. e.g. 
>> there are many icons which incorporate an arrow but the style/shape of the 
>> arrows varies. 
>> 
>> For the record, I like these proposed ones. They bring back the ability
>> to recognize them at a glance.
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
>> > I would love to see improved icons, I still never get used to them so i 
>> > read
>> > the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and which one is module editor.
>> >
>> > Luckily most of the time I only need to double click the kicad_pcb file
>> > anyway :)
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote:
>> > > 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young > > > 
>> > > >>:
>> > >
>> > > +1
>> > >
>> > > And I like Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d suggest two further
>> > > changes though:
>> > >
>> > > 1) The schematic icon (which Oliver didn’t change) should really
>> > > use the default colours (dark red symbols, green wires).  Then
>> > > there’s a stronger tie-in with the libedit icon.
>> > >
>> > > 2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and
>> > > change the pad colour to the default (yellow).
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > The default pad color is not yellow, that is only what you see for THT
>> > > pads. Default pad color is green for bottom and red for top copper
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 3) Projects should use the current New Project icon, rather than
>> > > the application icon.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I have considered to submit a patch for this for some time, but I guess
>> > > it is an appropiate time to do this with a major version bump.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 4) Both the New Project and New Project from Template icons should
>> > > get yellow “new” star.
>> > >
>> > > 5) New Footprint in modedit also needs the star, and the star on
>> > > New Symbol in libedit made more prominent.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Jeff.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver Walters
>> > > > > > > > 
>> > > > > > > > >> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > I think there is a need to 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

I agree, no pencils, no magnifying glass.

By the way, anyone else thinks the .lib file icons in the navigation looks
weird? If it's meant to look like a few stacked books, why are they tilted
in weird directions?

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:26 AM, Simon Wells  wrote:

> if the modedit/libedit icons are to be reverted then i believe the pencils
> should be removed, seeing as they were used to portray edit i believe but
> now that pcbnew/eeschema don’t have them they just seem odd
>
> On 7/01/2018, at 2:28 PM, Nick Østergaard  wrote:
>
> I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in eeschema to the old
> one, which made much more sense to me thatn the current one.
>
> 2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters :
>
>> I have attached a patchset which performs the following:
>>
>> 1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
>> 2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
>> 3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
>> 4. Update colors of eeschema icon
>> 5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a number of icons to fix
>> graphic alignment issues
>>
>> Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters <
>> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina"  wrote:
>>>
>>> I wish we had something resembling a policy for icons. It seems like
>>> someone always wants to change them. We had decent icons for these
>>> _before_, and then someone submitted new ones, and they were accepted
>>> because... I don't know? Many of the new icons are really ambiguous and
>>> kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and not *my* change, I remember
>>> how the argument went last time, before they were silently merged.
>>>
>>> I also note that there is a lack of consistency between similar icons.
>>> e.g. there are many icons which incorporate an arrow but the style/shape of
>>> the arrows varies.
>>>
>>> For the record, I like these proposed ones. They bring back the ability
>>> to recognize them at a glance.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
>>> > I would love to see improved icons, I still never get used to them so
>>> i read
>>> > the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and which one is module
>>> editor.
>>> >
>>> > Luckily most of the time I only need to double click the kicad_pcb file
>>> > anyway :)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote:
>>> > > 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young >> > > >:
>>> > >
>>> > > +1
>>> > >
>>> > > And I like Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d suggest two further
>>> > > changes though:
>>> > >
>>> > > 1) The schematic icon (which Oliver didn’t change) should really
>>> > > use the default colours (dark red symbols, green wires).  Then
>>> > > there’s a stronger tie-in with the libedit icon.
>>> > >
>>> > > 2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and
>>> > > change the pad colour to the default (yellow).
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > The default pad color is not yellow, that is only what you see for
>>> THT
>>> > > pads. Default pad color is green for bottom and red for top copper
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > 3) Projects should use the current New Project icon, rather than
>>> > > the application icon.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > I have considered to submit a patch for this for some time, but I
>>> guess
>>> > > it is an appropiate time to do this with a major version bump.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > 4) Both the New Project and New Project from Template icons
>>> should
>>> > > get yellow “new” star.
>>> > >
>>> > > 5) New Footprint in modedit also needs the star, and the star on
>>> > > New Symbol in libedit made more prominent.
>>> > >
>>> > > Cheers,
>>> > > Jeff.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > > On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver Walters
>>> > > > >> > > > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I think there is a need to tweak the libedit and modedit icons,
>>> > > > as identified below:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 1. The blue 'textured' background is out of place with the
>>> other
>>> > > > icons
>>> > > > 2. They are very cluttered and hard to read
>>> > > > 3. Weirdly specific callout of dimensions and part names (out
>>> of
>>> > > > character with other icons)
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Further, I think that the pcbnew icon could be adjusted
>>> slightly
>>> > > > to make it look a bit more like a PCB
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Even as someone who uses KiCad on a regular basis I find myself
>>> > > > double checking which icon I am about to click on (and still
>>> > > > getting it wrong half of the time).
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Simon Wells]

if the modedit/libedit icons are to be reverted then i believe the pencils 
should be removed, seeing as they were used to portray edit i believe but now 
that pcbnew/eeschema don’t have them they just seem odd

> On 7/01/2018, at 2:28 PM, Nick Østergaard  wrote:
> 
> I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in eeschema to the old one, 
> which made much more sense to me thatn the current one.
> 
> 2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters  >:
> I have attached a patchset which performs the following:
> 
> 1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
> 2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
> 3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
> 4. Update colors of eeschema icon
> 5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a number of icons to fix graphic 
> alignment issues
> 
> Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters 
> > 
> wrote:
> On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina"  > wrote:
> I wish we had something resembling a policy for icons. It seems like
> someone always wants to change them. We had decent icons for these
> _before_, and then someone submitted new ones, and they were accepted
> because... I don't know? Many of the new icons are really ambiguous and
> kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.
> 
> This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and not *my* change, I remember how 
> the argument went last time, before they were silently merged. 
> 
> I also note that there is a lack of consistency between similar icons. e.g. 
> there are many icons which incorporate an arrow but the style/shape of the 
> arrows varies. 
> 
> For the record, I like these proposed ones. They bring back the ability
> to recognize them at a glance.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
> > I would love to see improved icons, I still never get used to them so i read
> > the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and which one is module editor.
> >
> > Luckily most of the time I only need to double click the kicad_pcb file
> > anyway :)
> >
> >
> > On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> > > 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young  > > 
> > > >>:
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > And I like Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d suggest two further
> > > changes though:
> > >
> > > 1) The schematic icon (which Oliver didn’t change) should really
> > > use the default colours (dark red symbols, green wires).  Then
> > > there’s a stronger tie-in with the libedit icon.
> > >
> > > 2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and
> > > change the pad colour to the default (yellow).
> > >
> > >
> > > The default pad color is not yellow, that is only what you see for THT
> > > pads. Default pad color is green for bottom and red for top copper
> > >
> > >
> > > 3) Projects should use the current New Project icon, rather than
> > > the application icon.
> > >
> > >
> > > I have considered to submit a patch for this for some time, but I guess
> > > it is an appropiate time to do this with a major version bump.
> > >
> > >
> > > 4) Both the New Project and New Project from Template icons should
> > > get yellow “new” star.
> > >
> > > 5) New Footprint in modedit also needs the star, and the star on
> > > New Symbol in libedit made more prominent.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Jeff.
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver Walters
> > > >  > > > 
> > > >  > > > >> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think there is a need to tweak the libedit and modedit icons,
> > > > as identified below:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > 1. The blue 'textured' background is out of place with the other
> > > > icons
> > > > 2. They are very cluttered and hard to read
> > > > 3. Weirdly specific callout of dimensions and part names (out of
> > > > character with other icons)
> > > >
> > > > Further, I think that the pcbnew icon could be adjusted slightly
> > > > to make it look a bit more like a PCB
> > > >
> > > > Even as someone who uses KiCad on a regular basis I find myself
> > > > double checking which icon I am about to click on (and still
> > > > getting it wrong half of the time).
> > > >
> > > > Below is a /**suggestion**/ of some improvements. I am not trying
> > > > to back my own horse here, I'd be happy for anyone else to
> > > > suggest a better design for any of these. But I feel that
> > > > changing these icons 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[eldar.khayrullin]

I agree with Nick and Andrey.
 Исходное сообщение От: Nick Østergaard <oe.n...@gmail.com> 
Дата: 07.01.18  4:28  (GMT+03:00) Кому: Oliver Walters 
<oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> Копия: KiCad Developers 
<kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> Тема: Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and 
Modedit Icons 
I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in eeschema to the old one, 
which made much more sense to me thatn the current one.

2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters <oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>:
I have attached a patchset which performs the following:

1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
4. Update colors of eeschema icon
5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a number of icons to fix graphic 
alignment issues

Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:





On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters <oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina" <pavlina.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
I wish we had something resembling a policy for icons. It seems like

someone always wants to change them. We had decent icons for these

_before_, and then someone submitted new ones, and they were accepted

because... I don't know? Many of the new icons are really ambiguous and

kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.

This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and not *my* change, I remember how the 
argument went last time, before they were silently merged. 
I also note that there is a lack of consistency between similar icons. e.g. 
there are many icons which incorporate an arrow but the style/shape of the 
arrows varies. 

For the record, I like these proposed ones. They bring back the ability

to recognize them at a glance.



On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:

> I would love to see improved icons, I still never get used to them so i read

> the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and which one is module editor.

>

> Luckily most of the time I only need to double click the kicad_pcb file

> anyway :)

>

>

> On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote:

> > 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young <j...@rokeby.ie

> > <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie>>:

> >

> >     +1

> >

> >     And I like Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d suggest two further

> >     changes though:

> >

> >     1) The schematic icon (which Oliver didn’t change) should really

> >     use the default colours (dark red symbols, green wires).  Then

> >     there’s a stronger tie-in with the libedit icon.

> >

> >     2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and

> >     change the pad colour to the default (yellow).

> >

> >

> > The default pad color is not yellow, that is only what you see for THT

> > pads. Default pad color is green for bottom and red for top copper

> >

> >

> >     3) Projects should use the current New Project icon, rather than

> >     the application icon.

> >

> >

> > I have considered to submit a patch for this for some time, but I guess

> > it is an appropiate time to do this with a major version bump.

> >

> >

> >     4) Both the New Project and New Project from Template icons should

> >     get yellow “new” star.

> >

> >     5) New Footprint in modedit also needs the star, and the star on

> >     New Symbol in libedit made more prominent.

> >

> >     Cheers,

> >     Jeff.

> >

> >

> > >     On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver Walters

> > >     <oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com

> > >     <mailto:oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> > >

> > >     I think there is a need to tweak the libedit and modedit icons,

> > >     as identified below:

> > >

> > >     

> > >

> > >     

> > >

> > >     1. The blue 'textured' background is out of place with the other

> > >     icons

> > >     2. They are very cluttered and hard to read

> > >     3. Weirdly specific callout of dimensions and part names (out of

> > >     character with other icons)

> > >

> > >     Further, I think that the pcbnew icon could be adjusted slightly

> > >     to make it look a bit more like a PCB

> > >

> > >     Even as someone who uses KiCad on a regular basis I find myself

> > >     double checking which icon I am about to click on (and still

> > >     getting it wrong half of the time).

> > >

> > >     Below is a /**suggestion**/ of some improvements. I am not trying

> > > 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Nick Østergaard]

I have been intending to revert the annotate icon in eeschema to the old
one, which made much more sense to me thatn the current one.

2018-01-07 1:24 GMT+01:00 Oliver Walters :

> I have attached a patchset which performs the following:
>
> 1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
> 2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
> 3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
> 4. Update colors of eeschema icon
> 5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a number of icons to fix
> graphic alignment issues
>
> Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:
>
>
> [image: Inline image 2]
>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters <
> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina"  wrote:
>>
>> I wish we had something resembling a policy for icons. It seems like
>> someone always wants to change them. We had decent icons for these
>> _before_, and then someone submitted new ones, and they were accepted
>> because... I don't know? Many of the new icons are really ambiguous and
>> kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.
>>
>>
>> This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and not *my* change, I remember
>> how the argument went last time, before they were silently merged.
>>
>> I also note that there is a lack of consistency between similar icons.
>> e.g. there are many icons which incorporate an arrow but the style/shape of
>> the arrows varies.
>>
>> For the record, I like these proposed ones. They bring back the ability
>> to recognize them at a glance.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
>> > I would love to see improved icons, I still never get used to them so i
>> read
>> > the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and which one is module editor.
>> >
>> > Luckily most of the time I only need to double click the kicad_pcb file
>> > anyway :)
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote:
>> > > 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young > > > >:
>> > >
>> > > +1
>> > >
>> > > And I like Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d suggest two further
>> > > changes though:
>> > >
>> > > 1) The schematic icon (which Oliver didn’t change) should really
>> > > use the default colours (dark red symbols, green wires).  Then
>> > > there’s a stronger tie-in with the libedit icon.
>> > >
>> > > 2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and
>> > > change the pad colour to the default (yellow).
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > The default pad color is not yellow, that is only what you see for THT
>> > > pads. Default pad color is green for bottom and red for top copper
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 3) Projects should use the current New Project icon, rather than
>> > > the application icon.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I have considered to submit a patch for this for some time, but I
>> guess
>> > > it is an appropiate time to do this with a major version bump.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 4) Both the New Project and New Project from Template icons should
>> > > get yellow “new” star.
>> > >
>> > > 5) New Footprint in modedit also needs the star, and the star on
>> > > New Symbol in libedit made more prominent.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Jeff.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver Walters
>> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > I think there is a need to tweak the libedit and modedit icons,
>> > > > as identified below:
>> > > >
>> > > > 
>> > > >
>> > > > 
>> > > >
>> > > > 1. The blue 'textured' background is out of place with the other
>> > > > icons
>> > > > 2. They are very cluttered and hard to read
>> > > > 3. Weirdly specific callout of dimensions and part names (out of
>> > > > character with other icons)
>> > > >
>> > > > Further, I think that the pcbnew icon could be adjusted slightly
>> > > > to make it look a bit more like a PCB
>> > > >
>> > > > Even as someone who uses KiCad on a regular basis I find myself
>> > > > double checking which icon I am about to click on (and still
>> > > > getting it wrong half of the time).
>> > > >
>> > > > Below is a /**suggestion**/ of some improvements. I am not
>> trying
>> > > > to back my own horse here, I'd be happy for anyone else to
>> > > > suggest a better design for any of these. But I feel that
>> > > > changing these icons would be a good improvement to make before
>> > > > the v5 release. There have been many people complaining about
>> > > > these icons in particular, both here and on the user forums.
>> > > >
>> > > > 
>> > > >
>> > > > Is this a worthwhile endeavor, or are people attached to the
>> > > > weird blue icons?
>> > > > ___
>> > > > Mailing list: 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

You can put "Gerb" in the top 1/5th of the icon just fine, and shrink the
black and white sheets a little bit to make it fit.

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 5:08 PM, Chris Pavlina 
wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 07, 2018 at 01:01:08AM +, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> > FYI, the 5th and last icons from the left do not convey what they are
> about.
> >
> > Perhaps you could add the word "Gerber" at the top portion of the icon
> and
> > remove that stupid magnifying glass.
>
> I agree, remove the magnifying glass and hand it to me --- I'll need it
> to read the full words you want in the icons...
>
> >
> > The worksheet layout shouldn't have a schematic in gray color in it, why
> is
> > there a schematic in an empty worksheet layout editor? It's not a
> schematic
> > editor...
> > I'm not sure what the best icon would look like to represent a worksheet
> > layout editor.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 4:24 PM, Oliver Walters <
> > oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I have attached a patchset which performs the following:
> > >
> > > 1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
> > > 2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
> > > 3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
> > > 4. Update colors of eeschema icon
> > > 5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a number of icons to fix
> > > graphic alignment issues
> > >
> > > Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:
> > >
> > >
> > > [image: Inline image 2]
> > >
> > >
> > > [image: Inline image 1]
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters <
> > > oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina"  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I wish we had something resembling a policy for icons. It seems like
> > >> someone always wants to change them. We had decent icons for these
> > >> _before_, and then someone submitted new ones, and they were accepted
> > >> because... I don't know? Many of the new icons are really ambiguous
> and
> > >> kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and not *my* change, I remember
> > >> how the argument went last time, before they were silently merged.
> > >>
> > >> I also note that there is a lack of consistency between similar icons.
> > >> e.g. there are many icons which incorporate an arrow but the
> style/shape of
> > >> the arrows varies.
> > >>
> > >> For the record, I like these proposed ones. They bring back the
> ability
> > >> to recognize them at a glance.
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
> > >> > I would love to see improved icons, I still never get used to them
> so i
> > >> read
> > >> > the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and which one is module
> editor.
> > >> >
> > >> > Luckily most of the time I only need to double click the kicad_pcb
> file
> > >> > anyway :)
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> > >> > > 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young  > >> > > >:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > +1
> > >> > >
> > >> > > And I like Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d suggest two further
> > >> > > changes though:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 1) The schematic icon (which Oliver didn’t change) should
> really
> > >> > > use the default colours (dark red symbols, green wires).  Then
> > >> > > there’s a stronger tie-in with the libedit icon.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and
> > >> > > change the pad colour to the default (yellow).
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The default pad color is not yellow, that is only what you see
> for THT
> > >> > > pads. Default pad color is green for bottom and red for top copper
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 3) Projects should use the current New Project icon, rather
> than
> > >> > > the application icon.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I have considered to submit a patch for this for some time, but I
> > >> guess
> > >> > > it is an appropiate time to do this with a major version bump.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 4) Both the New Project and New Project from Template icons
> should
> > >> > > get yellow “new” star.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > 5) New Footprint in modedit also needs the star, and the star
> on
> > >> > > New Symbol in libedit made more prominent.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Cheers,
> > >> > > Jeff.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver Walters
> > >> > > >  > >> > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I think there is a need to tweak the libedit and modedit
> icons,
> > >> > > > as identified below:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > 
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > 
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > 1. The blue 'textured' background is out of place with the
> other
> > >> > > > icons
> > >> > 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Chris Pavlina]

On Sun, Jan 07, 2018 at 01:01:08AM +, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> FYI, the 5th and last icons from the left do not convey what they are about.
> 
> Perhaps you could add the word "Gerber" at the top portion of the icon and
> remove that stupid magnifying glass.

I agree, remove the magnifying glass and hand it to me --- I'll need it
to read the full words you want in the icons...

> 
> The worksheet layout shouldn't have a schematic in gray color in it, why is
> there a schematic in an empty worksheet layout editor? It's not a schematic
> editor...
> I'm not sure what the best icon would look like to represent a worksheet
> layout editor.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 4:24 PM, Oliver Walters <
> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I have attached a patchset which performs the following:
> >
> > 1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
> > 2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
> > 3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
> > 4. Update colors of eeschema icon
> > 5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a number of icons to fix
> > graphic alignment issues
> >
> > Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:
> >
> >
> > [image: Inline image 2]
> >
> >
> > [image: Inline image 1]
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters <
> > oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina"  wrote:
> >>
> >> I wish we had something resembling a policy for icons. It seems like
> >> someone always wants to change them. We had decent icons for these
> >> _before_, and then someone submitted new ones, and they were accepted
> >> because... I don't know? Many of the new icons are really ambiguous and
> >> kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.
> >>
> >>
> >> This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and not *my* change, I remember
> >> how the argument went last time, before they were silently merged.
> >>
> >> I also note that there is a lack of consistency between similar icons.
> >> e.g. there are many icons which incorporate an arrow but the style/shape of
> >> the arrows varies.
> >>
> >> For the record, I like these proposed ones. They bring back the ability
> >> to recognize them at a glance.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
> >> > I would love to see improved icons, I still never get used to them so i
> >> read
> >> > the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and which one is module editor.
> >> >
> >> > Luckily most of the time I only need to double click the kicad_pcb file
> >> > anyway :)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> >> > > 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young  >> > > >:
> >> > >
> >> > > +1
> >> > >
> >> > > And I like Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d suggest two further
> >> > > changes though:
> >> > >
> >> > > 1) The schematic icon (which Oliver didn’t change) should really
> >> > > use the default colours (dark red symbols, green wires).  Then
> >> > > there’s a stronger tie-in with the libedit icon.
> >> > >
> >> > > 2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and
> >> > > change the pad colour to the default (yellow).
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > The default pad color is not yellow, that is only what you see for THT
> >> > > pads. Default pad color is green for bottom and red for top copper
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 3) Projects should use the current New Project icon, rather than
> >> > > the application icon.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I have considered to submit a patch for this for some time, but I
> >> guess
> >> > > it is an appropiate time to do this with a major version bump.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 4) Both the New Project and New Project from Template icons should
> >> > > get yellow “new” star.
> >> > >
> >> > > 5) New Footprint in modedit also needs the star, and the star on
> >> > > New Symbol in libedit made more prominent.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheers,
> >> > > Jeff.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver Walters
> >> > > >  >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I think there is a need to tweak the libedit and modedit icons,
> >> > > > as identified below:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 1. The blue 'textured' background is out of place with the other
> >> > > > icons
> >> > > > 2. They are very cluttered and hard to read
> >> > > > 3. Weirdly specific callout of dimensions and part names (out of
> >> > > > character with other icons)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Further, I think that the pcbnew icon could be adjusted slightly
> >> > > > to make it look a bit more like a PCB
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Even as someone who uses KiCad on a regular basis I find myself
> >> > > > double checking which icon I am about to click on 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Oliver Walters]

Andrey, I agree that those icons also could be improved

However I will wait for sign-off from JP / Wayne before I spend any further
time on this. If they veto this then I would have wasted my time.

Cheers

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov 
wrote:

> FYI, the 5th and last icons from the left do not convey what they are
> about.
>
> Perhaps you could add the word "Gerber" at the top portion of the icon and
> remove that stupid magnifying glass.
>
> The worksheet layout shouldn't have a schematic in gray color in it, why
> is there a schematic in an empty worksheet layout editor? It's not a
> schematic editor...
> I'm not sure what the best icon would look like to represent a worksheet
> layout editor.
>
> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 4:24 PM, Oliver Walters <
> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have attached a patchset which performs the following:
>>
>> 1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
>> 2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
>> 3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
>> 4. Update colors of eeschema icon
>> 5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a number of icons to fix
>> graphic alignment issues
>>
>> Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:
>>
>>
>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters <
>> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina"  wrote:
>>>
>>> I wish we had something resembling a policy for icons. It seems like
>>> someone always wants to change them. We had decent icons for these
>>> _before_, and then someone submitted new ones, and they were accepted
>>> because... I don't know? Many of the new icons are really ambiguous and
>>> kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and not *my* change, I remember
>>> how the argument went last time, before they were silently merged.
>>>
>>> I also note that there is a lack of consistency between similar icons.
>>> e.g. there are many icons which incorporate an arrow but the style/shape of
>>> the arrows varies.
>>>
>>> For the record, I like these proposed ones. They bring back the ability
>>> to recognize them at a glance.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
>>> > I would love to see improved icons, I still never get used to them so
>>> i read
>>> > the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and which one is module
>>> editor.
>>> >
>>> > Luckily most of the time I only need to double click the kicad_pcb file
>>> > anyway :)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote:
>>> > > 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young >> > > >:
>>> > >
>>> > > +1
>>> > >
>>> > > And I like Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d suggest two further
>>> > > changes though:
>>> > >
>>> > > 1) The schematic icon (which Oliver didn’t change) should really
>>> > > use the default colours (dark red symbols, green wires).  Then
>>> > > there’s a stronger tie-in with the libedit icon.
>>> > >
>>> > > 2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and
>>> > > change the pad colour to the default (yellow).
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > The default pad color is not yellow, that is only what you see for
>>> THT
>>> > > pads. Default pad color is green for bottom and red for top copper
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > 3) Projects should use the current New Project icon, rather than
>>> > > the application icon.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > I have considered to submit a patch for this for some time, but I
>>> guess
>>> > > it is an appropiate time to do this with a major version bump.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > 4) Both the New Project and New Project from Template icons
>>> should
>>> > > get yellow “new” star.
>>> > >
>>> > > 5) New Footprint in modedit also needs the star, and the star on
>>> > > New Symbol in libedit made more prominent.
>>> > >
>>> > > Cheers,
>>> > > Jeff.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > > On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver Walters
>>> > > > >> > > > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I think there is a need to tweak the libedit and modedit icons,
>>> > > > as identified below:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 1. The blue 'textured' background is out of place with the
>>> other
>>> > > > icons
>>> > > > 2. They are very cluttered and hard to read
>>> > > > 3. Weirdly specific callout of dimensions and part names (out
>>> of
>>> > > > character with other icons)
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Further, I think that the pcbnew icon could be adjusted
>>> slightly
>>> > > > to make it look a bit more like a PCB
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Even as someone who uses KiCad on a regular basis I find myself
>>> > > > double checking which icon I am about to 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

FYI, the 5th and last icons from the left do not convey what they are about.

Perhaps you could add the word "Gerber" at the top portion of the icon and
remove that stupid magnifying glass.

The worksheet layout shouldn't have a schematic in gray color in it, why is
there a schematic in an empty worksheet layout editor? It's not a schematic
editor...
I'm not sure what the best icon would look like to represent a worksheet
layout editor.

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 4:24 PM, Oliver Walters <
oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have attached a patchset which performs the following:
>
> 1. Revert libedit icon to previous version
> 2. Revert modedit icon to previous version
> 3. Updates pcbnew icon to look more like a PCB
> 4. Update colors of eeschema icon
> 5. Various (almost imperceptible) tweaks to a number of icons to fix
> graphic alignment issues
>
> Here is a screenshot of the updated icons:
>
>
> [image: Inline image 2]
>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Oliver Walters <
> oliver.henry.walt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina"  wrote:
>>
>> I wish we had something resembling a policy for icons. It seems like
>> someone always wants to change them. We had decent icons for these
>> _before_, and then someone submitted new ones, and they were accepted
>> because... I don't know? Many of the new icons are really ambiguous and
>> kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.
>>
>>
>> This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and not *my* change, I remember
>> how the argument went last time, before they were silently merged.
>>
>> I also note that there is a lack of consistency between similar icons.
>> e.g. there are many icons which incorporate an arrow but the style/shape of
>> the arrows varies.
>>
>> For the record, I like these proposed ones. They bring back the ability
>> to recognize them at a glance.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
>> > I would love to see improved icons, I still never get used to them so i
>> read
>> > the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and which one is module editor.
>> >
>> > Luckily most of the time I only need to double click the kicad_pcb file
>> > anyway :)
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote:
>> > > 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young > > > >:
>> > >
>> > > +1
>> > >
>> > > And I like Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d suggest two further
>> > > changes though:
>> > >
>> > > 1) The schematic icon (which Oliver didn’t change) should really
>> > > use the default colours (dark red symbols, green wires).  Then
>> > > there’s a stronger tie-in with the libedit icon.
>> > >
>> > > 2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and
>> > > change the pad colour to the default (yellow).
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > The default pad color is not yellow, that is only what you see for THT
>> > > pads. Default pad color is green for bottom and red for top copper
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 3) Projects should use the current New Project icon, rather than
>> > > the application icon.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I have considered to submit a patch for this for some time, but I
>> guess
>> > > it is an appropiate time to do this with a major version bump.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 4) Both the New Project and New Project from Template icons should
>> > > get yellow “new” star.
>> > >
>> > > 5) New Footprint in modedit also needs the star, and the star on
>> > > New Symbol in libedit made more prominent.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Jeff.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver Walters
>> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > I think there is a need to tweak the libedit and modedit icons,
>> > > > as identified below:
>> > > >
>> > > > 
>> > > >
>> > > > 
>> > > >
>> > > > 1. The blue 'textured' background is out of place with the other
>> > > > icons
>> > > > 2. They are very cluttered and hard to read
>> > > > 3. Weirdly specific callout of dimensions and part names (out of
>> > > > character with other icons)
>> > > >
>> > > > Further, I think that the pcbnew icon could be adjusted slightly
>> > > > to make it look a bit more like a PCB
>> > > >
>> > > > Even as someone who uses KiCad on a regular basis I find myself
>> > > > double checking which icon I am about to click on (and still
>> > > > getting it wrong half of the time).
>> > > >
>> > > > Below is a /**suggestion**/ of some improvements. I am not
>> trying
>> > > > to back my own horse here, I'd be happy for anyone else to
>> > > > suggest a better design for any of these. But I feel that
>> > > > changing these icons would be a good improvement to make before
>> > > > the v5 release. There have been many people complaining 

Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Oliver Walters]

On 7 Jan 2018 05:04, "Chris Pavlina"  wrote:

I wish we had something resembling a policy for icons. It seems like
someone always wants to change them. We had decent icons for these
_before_, and then someone submitted new ones, and they were accepted
because... I don't know? Many of the new icons are really ambiguous and
kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.


This is why I'm pushing for *a* change and not *my* change, I remember how
the argument went last time, before they were silently merged.

I also note that there is a lack of consistency between similar icons. e.g.
there are many icons which incorporate an arrow but the style/shape of the
arrows varies.

For the record, I like these proposed ones. They bring back the ability
to recognize them at a glance.

On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
> I would love to see improved icons, I still never get used to them so i
read
> the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and which one is module editor.
>
> Luckily most of the time I only need to double click the kicad_pcb file
> anyway :)
>
>
> On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> > 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young  > >:
> >
> > +1
> >
> > And I like Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d suggest two further
> > changes though:
> >
> > 1) The schematic icon (which Oliver didn’t change) should really
> > use the default colours (dark red symbols, green wires).  Then
> > there’s a stronger tie-in with the libedit icon.
> >
> > 2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and
> > change the pad colour to the default (yellow).
> >
> >
> > The default pad color is not yellow, that is only what you see for THT
> > pads. Default pad color is green for bottom and red for top copper
> >
> >
> > 3) Projects should use the current New Project icon, rather than
> > the application icon.
> >
> >
> > I have considered to submit a patch for this for some time, but I guess
> > it is an appropiate time to do this with a major version bump.
> >
> >
> > 4) Both the New Project and New Project from Template icons should
> > get yellow “new” star.
> >
> > 5) New Footprint in modedit also needs the star, and the star on
> > New Symbol in libedit made more prominent.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jeff.
> >
> >
> > > On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver Walters
> > >  > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > I think there is a need to tweak the libedit and modedit icons,
> > > as identified below:
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > 1. The blue 'textured' background is out of place with the other
> > > icons
> > > 2. They are very cluttered and hard to read
> > > 3. Weirdly specific callout of dimensions and part names (out of
> > > character with other icons)
> > >
> > > Further, I think that the pcbnew icon could be adjusted slightly
> > > to make it look a bit more like a PCB
> > >
> > > Even as someone who uses KiCad on a regular basis I find myself
> > > double checking which icon I am about to click on (and still
> > > getting it wrong half of the time).
> > >
> > > Below is a /**suggestion**/ of some improvements. I am not trying
> > > to back my own horse here, I'd be happy for anyone else to
> > > suggest a better design for any of these. But I feel that
> > > changing these icons would be a good improvement to make before
> > > the v5 release. There have been many people complaining about
> > > these icons in particular, both here and on the user forums.
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Is this a worthwhile endeavor, or are people attached to the
> > > weird blue icons?
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Simon Wells]

just following on from Nick’s comments, do we really need the page around the 
schematic icon? i realise its more suitable than anywhere there but could it 
not be described just as well by having multiple schematic components?

funnily enough a lot of these things were bought up the last time there was an 
argument over the icons on the list but as can be seen a lot of irrelevant 
things got added to the icons regardless.

Simon

> On 7/01/2018, at 8:50 AM, Jeff Young  wrote:
> 
> Ooops, showing my age there.  (What’s all this SMD stuff?)
> 
>> On 6 Jan 2018, at 14:08, Nick Østergaard > > wrote:
>> 
>> 2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and change the pad 
>> colour to the default (yellow).
>> 
>> The default pad color is not yellow, that is only what you see for THT pads. 
>> Default pad color is green for bottom and red for top copper
>> 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Jeff Young]

Ooops, showing my age there.  (What’s all this SMD stuff?)

> On 6 Jan 2018, at 14:08, Nick Østergaard  wrote:
> 
> 2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and change the pad 
> colour to the default (yellow).
> 
> The default pad color is not yellow, that is only what you see for THT pads. 
> Default pad color is green for bottom and red for top copper
> 

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Chris Pavlina]

I wish we had something resembling a policy for icons. It seems like
someone always wants to change them. We had decent icons for these
_before_, and then someone submitted new ones, and they were accepted
because... I don't know? Many of the new icons are really ambiguous and
kind of useless. Shouldn't have been merged.

For the record, I like these proposed ones. They bring back the ability
to recognize them at a glance.

On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 05:52:49PM +, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
> I would love to see improved icons, I still never get used to them so i read
> the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and which one is module editor.
> 
> Luckily most of the time I only need to double click the kicad_pcb file
> anyway :)
> 
> 
> On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> > 2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young  > >:
> > 
> > +1
> > 
> > And I like Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d suggest two further
> > changes though:
> > 
> > 1) The schematic icon (which Oliver didn’t change) should really
> > use the default colours (dark red symbols, green wires).  Then
> > there’s a stronger tie-in with the libedit icon.
> > 
> > 2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and
> > change the pad colour to the default (yellow).
> > 
> > 
> > The default pad color is not yellow, that is only what you see for THT
> > pads. Default pad color is green for bottom and red for top copper
> > 
> > 
> > 3) Projects should use the current New Project icon, rather than
> > the application icon.
> > 
> > 
> > I have considered to submit a patch for this for some time, but I guess
> > it is an appropiate time to do this with a major version bump.
> > 
> > 
> > 4) Both the New Project and New Project from Template icons should
> > get yellow “new” star.
> > 
> > 5) New Footprint in modedit also needs the star, and the star on
> > New Symbol in libedit made more prominent.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Jeff.
> > 
> > 
> > > On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver Walters
> > >  > > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > I think there is a need to tweak the libedit and modedit icons,
> > > as identified below:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 1. The blue 'textured' background is out of place with the other
> > > icons
> > > 2. They are very cluttered and hard to read
> > > 3. Weirdly specific callout of dimensions and part names (out of
> > > character with other icons)
> > > 
> > > Further, I think that the pcbnew icon could be adjusted slightly
> > > to make it look a bit more like a PCB
> > > 
> > > Even as someone who uses KiCad on a regular basis I find myself
> > > double checking which icon I am about to click on (and still
> > > getting it wrong half of the time).
> > > 
> > > Below is a /**suggestion**/ of some improvements. I am not trying
> > > to back my own horse here, I'd be happy for anyone else to
> > > suggest a better design for any of these. But I feel that
> > > changing these icons would be a good improvement to make before
> > > the v5 release. There have been many people complaining about
> > > these icons in particular, both here and on the user forums.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Is this a worthwhile endeavor, or are people attached to the
> > > weird blue icons?
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[kristoffer Ödmark]

I would love to see improved icons, I still never get used to them so i 
read the tooltip, newer know which one is pcb and which one is module 
editor.


Luckily most of the time I only need to double click the kicad_pcb file 
anyway :)



On 2018-01-06 15:08, Nick Østergaard wrote:
2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young >:


+1

And I like Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d suggest two further
changes though:

1) The schematic icon (which Oliver didn’t change) should really
use the default colours (dark red symbols, green wires).  Then
there’s a stronger tie-in with the libedit icon.

2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and
change the pad colour to the default (yellow).


The default pad color is not yellow, that is only what you see for THT 
pads. Default pad color is green for bottom and red for top copper



3) Projects should use the current New Project icon, rather than
the application icon.


I have considered to submit a patch for this for some time, but I 
guess it is an appropiate time to do this with a major version bump.



4) Both the New Project and New Project from Template icons should
get yellow “new” star.

5) New Footprint in modedit also needs the star, and the star on
New Symbol in libedit made more prominent.

Cheers,
Jeff.



On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver Walters
> wrote:

I think there is a need to tweak the libedit and modedit icons,
as identified below:





1. The blue 'textured' background is out of place with the other
icons
2. They are very cluttered and hard to read
3. Weirdly specific callout of dimensions and part names (out of
character with other icons)

Further, I think that the pcbnew icon could be adjusted slightly
to make it look a bit more like a PCB

Even as someone who uses KiCad on a regular basis I find myself
double checking which icon I am about to click on (and still
getting it wrong half of the time).

Below is a /**suggestion**/ of some improvements. I am not trying
to back my own horse here, I'd be happy for anyone else to
suggest a better design for any of these. But I feel that
changing these icons would be a good improvement to make before
the v5 release. There have been many people complaining about
these icons in particular, both here and on the user forums.



Is this a worthwhile endeavor, or are people attached to the
weird blue icons?
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Nick Østergaard]

2018-01-06 14:15 GMT+01:00 Jeff Young :

> +1
>
> And I like Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d suggest two further changes
> though:
>
> 1) The schematic icon (which Oliver didn’t change) should really use the
> default colours (dark red symbols, green wires).  Then there’s a stronger
> tie-in with the libedit icon.
>
> 2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and change the
> pad colour to the default (yellow).
>

The default pad color is not yellow, that is only what you see for THT
pads. Default pad color is green for bottom and red for top copper


>
> 3) Projects should use the current New Project icon, rather than the
> application icon.
>

I have considered to submit a patch for this for some time, but I guess it
is an appropiate time to do this with a major version bump.


>
> 4) Both the New Project and New Project from Template icons should get
> yellow “new” star.
>
> 5) New Footprint in modedit also needs the star, and the star on New
> Symbol in libedit made more prominent.
>
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
>
>
> On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver Walters 
> wrote:
>
> I think there is a need to tweak the libedit and modedit icons, as
> identified below:
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 1. The blue 'textured' background is out of place with the other icons
> 2. They are very cluttered and hard to read
> 3. Weirdly specific callout of dimensions and part names (out of character
> with other icons)
>
> Further, I think that the pcbnew icon could be adjusted slightly to make
> it look a bit more like a PCB
>
> Even as someone who uses KiCad on a regular basis I find myself double
> checking which icon I am about to click on (and still getting it wrong half
> of the time).
>
> Below is a **suggestion** of some improvements. I am not trying to back
> my own horse here, I'd be happy for anyone else to suggest a better design
> for any of these. But I feel that changing these icons would be a good
> improvement to make before the v5 release. There have been many people
> complaining about these icons in particular, both here and on the user
> forums.
>
> 
>
> Is this a worthwhile endeavor, or are people attached to the weird blue
> icons?
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Jeff Young]

+1

And I like Oliver’s proposed icons.  I’d suggest two further changes though:

1) The schematic icon (which Oliver didn’t change) should really use the 
default colours (dark red symbols, green wires).  Then there’s a stronger 
tie-in with the libedit icon.

2) I think I’d drop the dimensions from the modedit icon, and change the pad 
colour to the default (yellow).

3) Projects should use the current New Project icon, rather than the 
application icon.

4) Both the New Project and New Project from Template icons should get yellow 
“new” star.

5) New Footprint in modedit also needs the star, and the star on New Symbol in 
libedit made more prominent.

Cheers,
Jeff.


> On 6 Jan 2018, at 12:30, Oliver Walters  
> wrote:
> 
> I think there is a need to tweak the libedit and modedit icons, as identified 
> below:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 1. The blue 'textured' background is out of place with the other icons
> 2. They are very cluttered and hard to read
> 3. Weirdly specific callout of dimensions and part names (out of character 
> with other icons)
> 
> Further, I think that the pcbnew icon could be adjusted slightly to make it 
> look a bit more like a PCB
> 
> Even as someone who uses KiCad on a regular basis I find myself double 
> checking which icon I am about to click on (and still getting it wrong half 
> of the time).
> 
> Below is a *suggestion* of some improvements. I am not trying to back my own 
> horse here, I'd be happy for anyone else to suggest a better design for any 
> of these. But I feel that changing these icons would be a good improvement to 
> make before the v5 release. There have been many people complaining about 
> these icons in particular, both here and on the user forums.
> 
> 
> 
> Is this a worthwhile endeavor, or are people attached to the weird blue icons?
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