KR> Missing??

[Steve Glover]

I gave it to Chris, the airport mgr.  You left it in the hangar.  
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Sent: Sep 20, 2011 20:08

Did anyone happen to see-pickup my bill of materials and invoice at the 
hangar?

Gary 


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KR> sliding canopy

[Steve Glover]

Netters, 

 have a KR2 with a Revmaster 2100, widened 2", fixed tail dragger set up as a 
single seater, and has a sliding canopy. Aluminum fixed gear.  It is a flying 
plane and is for sale for $11,500 to the right person. I can send pics next 
week and will have a full spec sheet. I am going through the plane now checking 
it over. 

Steve Glover 

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Sent: Feb 25, 2011 20:49

Anyone done a sliding canopy?  Love to see some pics.

Craig
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KR> KR2 Plans - nV Aero Version

[Steve Glover]

I had help moving out of Corona from Mr Incredible. :)

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-Original Message-

I'm sure Steve will chime in on that
when California wakes up.

-END-

How did you do with the move Steve?  Did you have any help?  just kidding, 
glad to see that RR is getting you some plans to sell.  How about the molds? 
how are they doing?

Lee Van Dyke 


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KR> KR2 Plans - nV Aero Version

[Steve Glover]

By the way. That is from any legitsmate source, to include RR. 

Steve
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OK Steve - That is a mouth full but does this mean that no plans are currently 
avaiable? (and would not be until an agreement is reached?)Just trying to get 
the important part to the average guy.Hope things are getting better for 
you.Joe Horton



-Original Message-

I'm sure Steve will chime in on that 
when California wakes up.

-END-


Good Morning Netter's,

I have been reluctant to address this as I didn't want create a big uproar
on the net.  Here's the deal.  Our original agreement with RR was we would
distribute plans to ensure they would be delivered in a timely manner and
that there was some form of direct contact for builders.  Initially we
didn't get a break and it was costing us.  Eventually we were getting a
little break so with that and shipping we could cover our costs and make
about 7 - 10 bucks.  Toward the end of the year a couple things occurred.

A.  Our hangar was flooded out at Corona with about 9' of water.  Ultimately
we couldn't get back in for 3 weeks to get tings cleaned up and moved out.
We relocated to Chino where we do not have to be concerned with flooding
again and have been working long hours to build out the facility.  In
addition we are building/ rebuilding tooling, making parts for two large and
several small orders and are attempting to get organized and productive
again.

B.  Some things transpired while Jeanette was away for the holidays that
changed plans availability.  I have been in touch with her and we are
working on a resolution.  It may be that we will now hold the plans and
production rights to facilitate easier production and delivery.  We should
have all this worked out soon.  There will be some eventual changes if/ when
this occurs.  As of now KR-2S plans and builders manuals are shipped with a
complete set of KR-2 plans and drawings as well.  This will no longer be the
case as the plans and builders manual will be updated and consolidated to
include only either the -2 or 2S drawings, whichever is applicable.


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KR> KR2 Plans - nV Aero Version

[Steve Glover]

Currently unavailable until further notice or posted on the website. 
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:57:25 
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OK Steve - That is a mouth full but does this mean that no plans are currently 
avaiable? (and would not be until an agreement is reached?)Just trying to get 
the important part to the average guy.Hope things are getting better for 
you.Joe Horton



-Original Message-

I'm sure Steve will chime in on that 
when California wakes up.

-END-


Good Morning Netter's,

I have been reluctant to address this as I didn't want create a big uproar
on the net.  Here's the deal.  Our original agreement with RR was we would
distribute plans to ensure they would be delivered in a timely manner and
that there was some form of direct contact for builders.  Initially we
didn't get a break and it was costing us.  Eventually we were getting a
little break so with that and shipping we could cover our costs and make
about 7 - 10 bucks.  Toward the end of the year a couple things occurred.

A.  Our hangar was flooded out at Corona with about 9' of water.  Ultimately
we couldn't get back in for 3 weeks to get tings cleaned up and moved out.
We relocated to Chino where we do not have to be concerned with flooding
again and have been working long hours to build out the facility.  In
addition we are building/ rebuilding tooling, making parts for two large and
several small orders and are attempting to get organized and productive
again.

B.  Some things transpired while Jeanette was away for the holidays that
changed plans availability.  I have been in touch with her and we are
working on a resolution.  It may be that we will now hold the plans and
production rights to facilitate easier production and delivery.  We should
have all this worked out soon.  There will be some eventual changes if/ when
this occurs.  As of now KR-2S plans and builders manuals are shipped with a
complete set of KR-2 plans and drawings as well.  This will no longer be the
case as the plans and builders manual will be updated and consolidated to
include only either the -2 or 2S drawings, whichever is applicable.


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KR> To Turbo or not to Turbo that is the Question

[Steve Glover]

And KR-1 that is at EAA OSH. 
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Subject: Re: KR> To Turbo or not to Turbo that is the Question

 Ken Rand turboed his KR-2, Virg


 On 1/2/2011 12:46 PM, Jeff Scott wrote:
> Joe, You have to know that you aren't the first to go down this path.  I 
> would suggest that you take a good look at Orma Robbins web 
> site, then do a search in the KRNet 
> Archives for Orma's comments and problems with regards to his turbo 
> installation on his Type 4 engine.  Orma is a long time A&P/IA, so is far 
> from new at this, but I think eventually, he found that the problems with the 
> turbo on the type 4 were much more than he wanted to deal with.  Your mileage 
> may vary, but you may learn the most by looking at the history and failures 
> of one that has been down that road before. -Jeff ScottN1213W  -- 
> Original Message --
>
>
>


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KR> VE layup

[Steve Glover]

The MEKP eats it. It does the same thing to blue foam. 

Steve
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Subject: KR> VE layup

I learned to use plastic sheet when doing a glass layup.  Today, for the
first time, I used that method with Vinyl Ester.  What a mess.  The sheet
reacts to the VE and curls.  I don't recommend this method when using VE.



All but the one large hole in the bottom of the wings are now patched and
the tops of both wings are ready for finish work and painting.  I start leak
testing the tanks today.



Daniel R. Heath

da...@windstream.net

See N64KR at   http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
the pics 

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KR> Recommended Epoxy?

[Steve Glover]

Your skins are made with vinylester so you would be better off to use the same 
stuff for assembly. 

Steve Glover 
--Original Message--
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Subject: KR> Recommended Epoxy?
Sent: Dec 18, 2010 05:54

I'm looking at what I need to do to get the wings put together for the KR I
got, I got the wing skins and ribs and Spars, so it seems it would be a
simple process.

I still need to buy a set of plans, maybe some of you have an old set??

What has been the most recommended epoxy for this purpose?

Joe

-- 
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Founding Father (one of and former Vice Prez) of Capital City.NET User's
Group
Former Microsoft MVP
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KR> Nice KR-2 for sale!

[Steve Glover]

Netter's, 

I just came across a local KR for sale. It is a nice place with good history. 
About 160 cruise on 1834. Mid 300 hrs TT. Com/ Xpndr. $11500. I should have 
pics tonight. 

Steve 
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KR> gear weight

[Steve Glover]

We need to correct that. When Eric was building the website he estimated. I 
don't have the exact in front of me but they are 15lbs less than stock 
retracts. 

Steve
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Subject: Re: KR> gear weight


According to the information on nVaero.com the gear assembly weighs 25# and it 
looks that is for each leg.

 Craig Williams  wrote:

=
Anyone know a weight for the DIEHL gear? So far my gear still looks to be 
coming in around 15 lbs each and I want to compare.

Thanks
Craig
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KR> Rudder Pedals

[Steve Glover]

The original Rand pedals were made from .049 wall 4130. We make ours from .058 
as this was a common problem once the use of hydraulic brakes became more 
prevalent. 

Steve Glover 
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KR> RE>ID my airfoil

[Steve Glover]

The 5046 tooling is nearly complete. We will then have complete skins for the 
new tail and wings in addition the the Rand and Diehl stuff. 

On a side note, Happy Birthday Marines! Semper Fi'. And thank you to all 
veterans out there for your sacrifice from another vet. 

Steve Glover. 
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KR> ID my airfoil

[Steve Glover]

If they are Diehl skins the have a swept tip incorporated into the skin. If 
they are from Rand Robinson the tip is separate. 

Steve Glover 
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KR> KR-2 project for sale.

[Steve Glover]

I know. It is stronger as well but the mahogany looks nicer if you intend on 
leaving the interior exposed. 

Regards,
Steve 

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Subject: Re: KR> KR-2 project for sale.
Sent: Nov 6, 2010 05:14


 Birch is an acceptable plywood for the KR series. It was sold in 
the wood kit, Virg


\On 11/6/2010 12:14 AM, I FLY KRs wrote:
> Netter's,
>
>
>
> I have a standard KR-2 project for sale.  This is a great start on a build
> for not a lot of cash.
>
>
>
> The Good -
>
>
>
>
> The Bad -
>
> 2.  The builder did really nice work on the spruce.  Something was lost
> in translation on the fuselage skin and it was not installed correctly.  It
> should be removed and new skin installed.  The builder used birch.  I have a
> little mahogany I can throw in but not enough to do all of it.
>
>
>


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KR> KR2 cockpit

[Steve Glover]

We are not using prepreg with honeycomb anymore so our turtle decks can be 
stretched and used for our 2" wider fastbuild fuselages. They now have a foam 
core with a wet layup and vaccuum bagged. 

Steve Glover
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From: "cgardn628" 
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Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:25:42 
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Subject: RE: KR> KR2 cockpit

Greg,

I have a stock width KR2S (36") and would agree it's a little tight for 2
people. You need to be really good friends to fly in a KR2!

Having said that, if you widen the fuselage you will not be able to use the
pre- made turtledeck parts from Steve Glover ( Rand top deck kit) without
some serious modification as they do not stretch at all.

If you are going to scratch build everything then I would go with at least 4
inches wider for comfort. You will be glad you did.

Cheers

Chris Gardiner
KR2S C-GKRZ 220 hours to date



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Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:15 AM
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Subject: KR> KR2 cockpit


>From what I have read the cockpit is 36 inches wide forthe KR2. I am
interested in this plane for 2 and would like any feedback on comfort for 2.
I notice other cockpits are wider but like the KR design most.
Any input would be appreciated.


Have a bonzer Day 
Greg 
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KR> Hoerner tips

[Steve Glover]

Or we have wing tips pre-fabbed available. 

Steve 
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Subject: Re: KR> Hoerner tips

Mike Sylvester wrote:

> Mark, I like sunsets as much as everybody else but I had really rather see 
> a picture of those longer wings.  I'm interested in the tips. Are they 
> like Jones's or more like the Horner tips?

Mine are pure Hoerner tips, best I can tell.  Jones appears to have done a 
better job of reading the KR manual and done them from the get-go.  That 
being said, when I did mine I was in too much of a hurry to spend a few 
hours and do the research to see exactly what that means.  So I sortof 
kindof did a Hoerner tip, and then nicely rounded all the edges, which 
killed the effectiveness completely, I now know.  To do a Hoerner tip, glue 
a chunk of foam on the end of the wing and contour the top and bottom to 
match the adjacent airfoil.  Glass it or carbon fiber it, and with a square 
end on it (perpendicular to the ground).  Then take a hacksaw or something 
similar and starting at either the front or the rear, and using the top edge 
of the airfoil cut about a 60 degree angle (measured from vertical) inward 
towards the fuselage using the upper "corner" as a guide.

http://www.n56ml.com/wingtips/100629071m.jpg comes pretty close to telling 
the whole story.  Note that the outer edge of the wing is parallel to the 
centerline of the fuselage.  That's what eluded me 10 years ago.  Viewed 
from the top you'd never know it was anything but squared off.  The theory 
is that you can radius the bottom a little, but the top has to be a sharp 
corner so the air can't turn that sharp cornerand turn inward into a vortex, 
which would be a drag producer.  I need to tuft that tip and show the 
results.  Probably a lot better than previously.  Good point though, 
regarding sunsets.I took several hundred pictures of the wingtip 
process, but flying and taking sunset pictures is a lot more fun and 
relaxing that creating web pages.  That's something else I've learned in the 
last five years.  Sorry about that

Mark Langford
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KR> canopy covering

[Steve Glover]

WD-40 works. 
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From: "Bobby Murty" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 10:29:32 
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> canopy covering

Doesn't work for this application,,Tried it
  - Original Message - 
  From: Michael Swierk 
  To: KRnet 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 10:25 AM
  Subject: Re: KR> canopy covering


  Try Walmart or hardware store for "GOO GONE Extreme Remover". Especially for 
this application and I use it all the time with no neg results even when I 
remove glue from plexi. I always keep a pint can handy.
Good Luck
Mike 

  --- On Wed, 5/5/10, Bobby Murty 
mailto:hatconversi...@msn.com>> wrote:

  > From: Bobby Murty mailto:hatconversi...@msn.com>>
  > Subject: Re: KR> canopy covering
  > To: "KRnet" mailto:kr...@mylist.net>>
  > Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 8:41 AM
  > I just went through this with a Pacer
  > wind shield that has been sitting for about 20 years. The
  > paper/glue wouldn't come off with any of the solvents we
  > tried. My 80 year old retired glass guy said most glues in
  > the glass industry will come right off with denatured
  > alcohol. Mine was an easy deal..
  > - Original Message - 
  > From: Larry Knox>
  > 
  > To: 'KRnet'>
  > 
  > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:09 PM
  > Subject: RE: KR> canopy covering
  > 
  > 
  > It's a slow mean process. Hope someone has a miracle
  > to offer as a solution
  > but mine was tough, just a smidgen at a time and
  > some dedicated help with
  > long arms and big strong fingers. 
la...@lebanair.com>
  > 
  > 
  > -Original Message-
  > From: 
krnet-boun...@mylist.net>
  > [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]
  > On Behalf
  > Of WARRON GRAY
  > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:24 PM
  > To: 
kr...@mylist.net>
  > Subject: KR> canopy covering
  > 
  > Hi guys I have a "S" and was wondering what is a
  > good method to get the
  > coating off the canopy from the supplier?. Been
  > sitting for a while on the
  > plane and now it is time to remove it. Thanks
  > "WG447"
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KR> Cowl

[Steve Glover]

Hi Joe,

The cowling we had at Sun N Fun was actually one of WW's.  We didn't have
one of ours there for logistical reasons.  I think you are right about the
need or extra stiffening.  One thing we may do with the cowlings we have is
add a 1/8" core in the areas you have mentioned to help with rigidity but
keep it light.  

Regards,
Steve

KR> Cowl

[Steve Glover]

Hi Joe,

I'm surprised it was that heavy.  I'll have to weigh the bottom but the top
I currently have is only 5lbs.  

Steve

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To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Cowl

Larry,
If you go to http://www.krnet.org/krs/jhorton/  A couple  of the first few
pictures show the current state of my cowl and the very last picture shows
the way it was formed when I first started flying it. The cowl was orignally
bought from Rand but it weighed 18# before any fitting and changing. I
pulled a mold off and sold the cowl and made the one that is on the plane.
It is made from carbon fiber and weighed only 6.5# before I started
modifiying, It probably weighs about 8# now . The orignal way had an out
side scoop for the carb but the aerocarb did not llike it so I changed the
bottom to enclose the carb and filter. I have done some testing on the
intake holes and think that I canclose them up by several sq. inches on each
side with no effect on cooling.
Joe Horton

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Subject: RE: KR> W&B, CG location
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:33:03 -0700

Question, Joe Horton do you have a photo of your KR2S/Corvair so I can see
what the Cowl looks like. NVAERO said his cowl was like yours. I just
received one from another location that has to be a VW cowl and so as
William has not responded I am still in need of a Cowl. Thanks
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KR> W&B, CG location

[Steve Glover]

See krnet.org. 
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:33:03 
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: RE: KR> W&B, CG location

Question, Joe Horton do you have a photo of your KR2S/Corvair so I can see
what the Cowl looks like. NVAERO said his cowl was like yours. I just
received one from another location that has to be a VW cowl and so as
William has not responded I am still in need of a Cowl. Thanks
la...@lebanair.com 

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From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:08 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> W&B, CG location


Larry asked:



> Question for the "new wing" fliers. Was the CG location for the new 
> wing determined and are measurements for the RAF48 and the new wing, 
> in relation to lead edge and % of M.A.C. the same or did you use the 
> dimensions for the RAF48?


Everything essential to understanding the new wing can be found here:


http://www.krnet.org/as504x/



On that site Mark's comments on Troy Petteway's replacement of the RAF48
wings with AS504X on his airplane indicates that the CG remained exactly the
same.  Obviously, so did the spar spacing and placement on the airframe so
to answer the question indirectly, I believe one of the design goals for the
new wing was to maintain the same structural geometry and CG envelope and
there are enough examples now flying with the new wing to confirm that that
is the case.  Mark could tell us more about the aft 2" of the published KR
center of gravity envelope with the RAF48.  Most builders consider those
last aft inches to be "no fly" loading.


Oscar Zuniga
Flying Squirrel N2069Z

Air Camper NX41CC
San Antonio, TX
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website at http://www.flysquirrel.net



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KR> Dragonfly Canopy Question

[Steve Glover]

Like our canopies, the pricing has gone up significantly. They are now about 
$800. 
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Kerry Miller wrote:

> Does anybody on the list have a Dragonfly canopy for sale or know 
> where one might be available?

Here's the original manufacturer of the Dragonfly canopy - I believe they
still are producing them. Give them a try.

Aircraft Windshield Company
Alamitos, CA
562-598-0716

FYI - the Dragonfly is a molded canopy - Todd's is blown - molding usually
produces better optics and is responsible for the flatter top which yields
more headroom.


Rick Human
N202RH
Houston, Tx





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KR> KRnet.org update

[Steve Glover]

Well John, it WAS my Birthday after all... :)

Steve

-Original Message-


 Mark,
 I wasn't there for this photo because it was supposed to be taken after we
left Saturday, but I happen to know that there is a photo of the same
beautiful young lady with Steve Glover that Roy Szarafinski took. They were
both sitting on the ground together and I can promise you that if Steve's
smile was any bigger his teeth would have fallen out of his head.

KR> WAS KRnet.org update - Plans...

[Steve Glover]

Well Dan, before you start getting carried away we better have all the
facts... your first e-mail is as follow on 3/1 at 7:49am.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"I am trying to track down the way to buy KR-2S plans.  

Do you supply them?  Same cost?  How to pay/what address, etc.?  
Do you supply any kind of builder support?  Frankly, I'm planning to build a
prototype 4-seat pusher using the KR-2 structure and engineering and my
aerodynamic shape.  

Hal Dantone"
>>>>>>>>>>

While this really didn't pertain to building a KR I replied (rather quickly
in my opinion) the following at 8:30am on 3/1;

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hello Hal,

They are available for purchase from our website www.nvaero.com .  The price
is $265 plus shipping.  Register for your account and then you may purchase
them online.  I have them in stock so there will not be any delay in
shipping (normally 2 business days to ship out from the time we receive your
order).  We are now provide complete builder support, parts, supplies, and
fast build kits for the KR series of aircraft. Please let me know if you
have any questions.

(End)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

I don't think I could have been any clearer in my response.  

My apologies to the net for this post but I will not allow any inference
that we cannot be contacted or do not reply to inquiries given the history
of RR.  If there were any this past week I was at Sun N Fun and had limited
contact and will be following up with any emails received.

Steve Glover
www.nvaero.com
steve.glo...@nvaero.com



-Original Message-

I'm new to this net, and want  to buy KR-2S plans.  
I have sent two e-mails to "steve.glo...@nvaero.com"  but have received no
replies.
Do I have an incorrect address for him?  Is something else going on?
Help, please.  

Thanks,  
Hal Dantone
Houston, TX  

KR> Anyone going to Sun N Fun!!!

[Steve Glover]

Hello Netter's,



Well, it is a done deal.  We will be at Sun N Fun and will have a booth near
the lake behind building "D".  We can use it for a rally point for any
netters in attendance and maybe have that BBQ and get together that was
mentioned a couple weeks ago.  There will be a banner with a big red "KR-2S"
on it so it should be easy to find. I'm looking forward to seeing some of
you down there.  We will have a few sets of KR-2S plans for sale and a few
parts on display.  Joe Horton should be in around Thursday and will have his
plane in our display for anyone wanting a closer look at one fine KR with a
Corvair power plant.



On a side note, if there are any other KR builders or fliers local or
planning on flying in, please contact me off list as I might have an extra
pass  in exchange for displaying your plane or project for a few days.



It's a long trek from California but we are excited to be participating this
year and are hoping to bring the KR brand back into the mainstream of
experimental aviation.



Steve Glover

steve.glo...@nvaero.com

Corona, Ca.

KR> VW carburation question

[Steve Glover]

If you have a POSA, junk it and get something else. Richard is a master 
machinist and has the ability to make the carb safe. Others have just been 
lucky or have the ability to make the repairs or adjustments needed. Not 
everyone has that aptitude and need something that can be put on and run with 
minimal effort.  There are a few dead people who would agree they are unsafe. 
When the needle vibrates loose and turns to lean out and stop the engine at 
altitude, it will be too late to decide trying to save a few bucks was the 
wrong decision. 

Steve Glover 
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From: "Lee Van Dyke" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:49:28 
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> VW carburation question


There is nothing wrong with the POSA.  Most of the stories you will read or 
hear on this net are that STORIES.  There are several people who fly with 
POSA's.  Steve Bennett has a plane right now that is Jim Faughn's, and it 
flys with a posa.  I had an 1835 with a POSA and it worked great.  I cruised 
@ 125 MPH @ 3.3 gals per hour.  I have a POSA on my 2387 VW right now and it 
runs well.  I do have the Super Posa that I can lean out in the air, but 
it's still a Posa.  Richard Shirley few with a Posa for years on his KR1. 
Just like any other Carb or throtle body, once fine tuned, they run just 
great.

Lee Van Dyke





Well now that I am this close to finishing my PPL, it will soon be time
to get working on N1333A. She already has an 1835 VW with a POSA carb on
her, but my EAA tech advisor has encouraged me to look into a float bowl
carb, for various reasons. Great Plains has the 1821 updraft carb and I
have a lot of respect for Steve Bennett's work with the VW based
engine.  Any more info that anyone wants to offer on the fuel system?
The floors open, and I will be using all of this to make my decision
soon. Assuming I pass my PPL the 1st time, the VW case will be getting
split open by mid June.

Glenn Martin
KR2 N1333A
13238 Hudson-Krohn Rd
Biloxi, MS, 39532
rep...@martekmississippi.com


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KR> cowling

[Steve Glover]

Emial me direct. I have the molds from Steve's cowling. 

Regards,
Steve Glover
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Sent: Mar 14, 2010 6:16 PM



Hi everyone, 
   I looking through some of the old gatherings,I happened on a picture that 
was taken in Red Oak, Ia. The KR I noticed  was owned by a fellow by the name 
of Steve Alderman.The caption under the picture mentioned the cowling was made 
for a O-200 by Dan Deihl. Is there anyone still making that cowling, or was 
that just a one time thing? 

    

   Robert Pesak 

   Hermitage, Tn.
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KR> KR3

[Steve Glover]

Isn't it currently hanging up at Dan D's place?
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Subject: Re: KR> KR3
Sent: Feb 17, 2010 6:05 PM

At 07:37 PM 2/17/2010, you wrote:
>I've seen the "official" KR3 amphibian drawings, but I suspect there was a
>previous "KR3" version that was a twin retract.  See
>http://www.krnet.org/misc/kr3_twin.pdf .  The handwriting looks familiar.
+++
I checked out the specks on the KR3 twin.  Empty weight of 500 pounds 
for a three place twin that will cruise 200MPH?  I'm wondering what 
Ken was smoking :-) and what could be designed on the drugs they're 
doing today. :-) :-)

Larry Flesner


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KR> (no subject)

[Steve Glover]

Hi Steven,

I just spoke with Jeanette and your plans will be going out next week. Our turn 
around time is a bit faster typically. 

Regards,
Steve Glover
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Sent: Feb 17, 2010 5:18 PM


Hello all, My name is Steven Bedford I am new to the list 

I also have sent a cashiers check for kr2s plans set to Rand Robinson.

I am not in a hurry due to the cold winter but it has been 10 weeks.

Thanks for all the great information that is available from this list

and builder websites.

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KR> Rand Robinson Engineering

[Steve Glover]

Hi Jim,

I just spoke with Jeanette. She said she will be shipping them out tomorrow. 

Regards,
Steve Glover
www.nvaero.com
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Subject: Re: KR> Rand Robinson Engineering
Sent: Dec 17, 2009 3:26 PM

Thanks Larry, Hope you are right

Jim  Wright , Spring Hill FL
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KR> linear actuator

[Steve Glover]

Hi Jack,

We have a kit that we can taylor to your needs. I'll contact you tonight and 
see if our stuff will work for you. 

Regards,
Steve Glover
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Subject: KR> linear actuator
Sent: Dec 16, 2009 2:39 PM



Mark and Dan 

Thanks, How much force and travel?  I'm thinking 12" travel and 150# force? Did 
you also order the wiring kit or make up your own How about a switch, does it 
come with athe wiring kit? 



Jack Cooper 
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KR> I want to buy a KR-2

[Steve Glover]

Hi Adam,

Did you decide not to build?

Regards,
Steve
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Sent: Dec 11, 2009 3:12 PM


I'm in the L.A./Orange County area looking for a ready-to-fly (or nearly so) 
aircraft.  My budget is 6-7.5K.  There have been a few in this price range, so 
I'm looking for another that might be out there locally.  Thanks for the leads!



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KR> prop spinner

[Steve Glover]

If you had a glass spinner it was likely it came from our molds. We have the 
standard KR glass spinner and bulkhead. Email me off line if you need another 
one. 

Regards,
Steve Glover
steve.glo...@nvaero.com
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-Original Message-
From: joseph lamberson 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:47:16 
To: kr list list
Subject: RE: KR> prop spinner


Thank you all, old spinner was glass,it now goes to the wall as a nice hanger. 
I would try to build a bulkhead but I cant make tea. I bought the plane now I 
am paying the price of that act. Last night my buddy tripped and fell on the 
horizontal stab. bad scene,now that too. Will it ever fly? I  some of you have 
spent years building,strong people. I hope to see the sky soon,soon as I get a 
ticket,but I am having trouble finding someone to sell me one. Thanks again , 
joseph

> From: la...@lebanair.com
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: RE: KR> prop spinner
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:01:07 -0800
> 
> 2 months ago my wife and I took a trip in our 172. The prop had been
> over-greased a little and it through some out into the spinner, loading it
> on one side slightly. It broke the spinner seriously. It did not come apart
> fortunately. It is an aluminum spinner with no forward bulkhead.
> la...@lebanair.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
> Of Willie van der Walt
> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:16 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> prop spinner
> 
> The only fatal KR2 accident in South Africa was due to a spinner. One of the
> 
> most important intallations on your plane! Be carefull please.
> Regards
> Willie
> 
> 
> I 
> 
> 
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KR> Jabaru 3300 in KR2S

[Steve Glover]

I know of a KR-1 with a 3300 who does 230+ MPH with an incredible climb. The 
only -2 I know of hass a 2200 but I have not heard of performance figures. 
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Does any one know what the performance figuires are for the KR2S with a  
Jabiru 3300 engine? Rate of climb, Cruise, etc
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KR> What is wrong with Rand Robinson???

[Steve Glover]

OK, and the point of this post is what???


Steve Glover
Long-EZ N2121U
Former KR-2 N902G
Prototyping Aero "G"  Nirvana
Corona, CA
kr...@cox.net

-Original Message-



have a great life 

   RED 

KR> Two questions

[Steve Glover]

-Original Message-
Anyone have a recommendation for a Bluetooth GPS receiver



Second question:



I've got some exhaust pipes which stick way down below the cowl



END..



Hello Mike,



I have used a bluetooth Receiver from a NavMan automotive street map
software for a few years now and have been all over the country without
trouble. The prices seem to have come down now and you can pick up the
Garmin for right around $189 - $199.  When I replace mine I will buy the
Garmin.  It is small and designed for our use.  I think the only difference
is the refresh rate in the receiver.  Some are every 1 second and some, like
mine, are every two.  It is not really that noticeable unless you are
getting into marginal VFR or worse and helps with the comfort level.



As far as exhaust, I had mine exit in a ramp area under the fuselage and had
my exhaust cut flush with my cowl flap at an angle with the airflow.  Again,
no noticeable problems after about 320 hours.  



Regards,



Steve Glover

Long-EZ N2121U

Former KR-2 N902G

Prototyping Aero "G"  Nirvana

Corona, CA

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KR> Two questions

[Steve Glover]

-Original Message-



I bought a  Garmin unit through Anywhere Map for use with their software.
It has a  battery 

life of about 12 hours.  



END



I didn't realize it had such a short battery life.  With 3 AAA batteries I
get about 30 to 40 hours of use.  I could typically fly to the Gathering and
back to California and never change the batteries.  Maybe I should keep what
I have.  I also can use airframe power but that just adds another wire
hanging in the cockpit.





Steve Glover

Long-EZ N2121U

Former KR-2 N902G

Prototyping Aero "G"  Nirvana

Corona, CA

kr...@cox.net

KR> Two questions

[Steve Glover]

Hey Jonesy,



At least when I fly backward, it's on purpose :)  I mount the receiver on
top of the headrest and it just looks ugly.  Now in the KR, it was actually
IN the cockpit area and too much of a hassle.  I already had the plug in for
the phone and the IPOD and the com and the GPS and the



Say, shouldn't you be working instead of harassing us bums.  Wow, it's such
a WARM day today, I think I may have to go fly for awhile.  



Steve Glover

Long-EZ N2121U

Former KR-2 N902G

Prototyping Aero "G"  Nirvana

Corona, CA

kr...@cox.net







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From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Mark Jones
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:23 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> Two questions



Hey Glover, since you are flying backwards, aren't the wires behind you

so what's another wire? :-)



Jones



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From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On

Behalf Of Steve Glover

Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:13 AM

To: 'KRnet'

Subject: RE: KR> Two questions





-Original Message-







I bought a  Garmin unit through Anywhere Map for use with their

software.

It has a  battery 



life of about 12 hours.  







END







I didn't realize it had such a short battery life.  With 3 AAA batteries

I

get about 30 to 40 hours of use.  I could typically fly to the Gathering

and

back to California and never change the batteries.  Maybe I should keep

what

I have.  I also can use airframe power but that just adds another wire

hanging in the cockpit.











Steve Glover



Long-EZ N2121U



Former KR-2 N902G



Prototyping Aero "G"  Nirvana



Corona, CA



kr...@cox.net











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KR> The Poor Man's Engine Pre-Heater

[Steve Glover]

If starting from scratch, the 1500 watt ceramic heater and duct work can
be had for about $30 total (depending on product availability in your
area) and it too "Works pretty darn good".  The heater is a no-brainier
and you can be as creative as you want on the duct work.  It is very
safe with no open flames, can be plugged in (both approaches require
electrical service) and left to run continuos if you want.  You could
even add a thermostat control to the ceramic heater and place it under
the cowl to keep the engine area at a constant temp 24/7 if you want.

END.
..

Netters,

I gotta get one of them heat things... It was a frigid and clear 81
degrees yesterday here in So. California and I could only stand to fly
for about an hour and a half.  It is supposed to be the same today.
BRR.  :)  Happy Bowl Day!

Steve Glover
Long-EZ N2121U
Former KR-2 N902G)
Aero"G" Nirvana in progress
AJO, Ca

KR> The Poor Man's Engine Pre-Heater

[Steve Glover]

Yeah, but not for long...The new one is a coming :)  Both Rich Shirley and
Rich Seifert also flew for a bit yesterday.  2 guys came up from San Diego
in their KR's for a flight of 4.  I must admit, I was missing 902G.  I would
have went with them but I had my nephew who wanted to get a flight around
the area.  He went to the Dark Side and just started a RV-7 project.  I
advised him against it but you know how kids can be these days... ;)

Steve

-Original Message-


That's great Steve but you're flying an airplane that only flies "backwards"
so it's a toss-up as to who's better off.  :-)

Larry Flesner

KR> Radio...

[Steve Glover]

The Icom radio performs really well as a radio, but what a pest to
drive, I hate the fiddly key sequences to try and programme in a
frequency, or even to manually set the frequency. When things go
pear-shaped, fiddling with the Icom is not fun !

END>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I have programmed manually, but I have the software for programming on
the PC. It is a simple task to just type in the freq you want. I use one
bank for local flying, one for a regular route I fly up north, and then
when I am planning a trip like the Gathering, I use one of the other 10
banks of 20 freq's and program in the frequencies along my intended
route.  That way, as I am flying I can just have the freq change knob
function selected and it just takes one click to get to my next
frequency enrooted. If I do need to enter a manual freq then I hit the
"Clear" button and the radio goes into manual mode. I can then just
enter the freq desired on the key pad.  When I am ready to go back to
the memory channels, it only takes two buttons and 1/2 a second and I am
back on the bank freq's. 

Maybe at the next Gathering, some of the attending pilots can
demonstrate their comm's to new or prospective builders so they can have
a first hand experience with some of the different types available.

Regards,

Steve Glover
Long-EZ N2121U
(Former KR-2 N902G)
AJO, Ca

KR> belly board use - ELECTRIC KIT AVAILABILITY

[Steve Glover]

-Original Message-
I am going to add the electric motor control from Van's this winter for
activation. 

END.
..

Hello Netter's,

Van's kit is rather expensive at $450+.  I could probably put together
the same kit I use on my EZ if anyone is interested.  I will be using
the same set up for my new KR.  You have your choice of throw distance,
4, 6, or 8 inch.  The motors have internal brake and limit switches at
both ends of the range.  I currently have mine set up to run from my
stick with a relay. 

Cost would probably be around $250 plus shipping for the kit which would
include the drive motor, panel mounted toggle, and the appropriate
shielded wire. The weight of the motor is very light at 2lbs .5oz.
Dynamic load is 110 lbs with 500lbs static. I use the 4" in the EZ speed
brake which is more than adequate.

If using a switch from a stick, it would be cheaper for one to pick up
the relay at radio shack.  I can provide model number and wiring
instructions for the relay.  Since everyone's mounting point or type
would most likely be different, it would also make more sense for each
to make their own mounting bracket.  A couple pieces of angle aluminum
would do the trick.  If needed, I could also source these pieces as well
to save time and trouble of getting everything together for your
project.

Please contact me offline.

Regards,

Steve Glover
Long-EZ N2121U
(Former KR-2 N902G)
Corona, Ca

KR> Radio...

[Steve Glover]

Spend the extra money and get the Icom IC-A23.  You will be much
happier.  I have used mine in the KR all over the USA and never have had
any problems.  They have great customer service as well if you do have
any issues.  They are very helpful with phone support as well.

Before I bought my 23 and 23 sport, I asked the guys at will call at the
Calif. Spruce what their experience had been.  I was told the others are
returned quite a bit more often than the Icom.  Just my .02.

Regards,

Steve Glover
Long-EZ N2121U
(Former KR-2 N902G)
AJO, Ca


-Original Message-
Bill,

I am also looking at Vertex radio equipment.  I have used Yaesu (Vertex)
ham 
radios for a while now & pretty much like them.  O
- Original Message - 

KR> Yokes -vs- Sticks

[Steve Glover]

I think you will find the transition to be nearly effortless.  Flying
with a stick seems to be a bit more natural or fighterish and
comfortable. You will never want to go back to flying with a yoke again.

Steve Glover
Long-EZ N2121U
(Former KR-2 N902G)
AJO, Ca

KR> Flight report

[Steve Glover]

-Original Message-
At least for Winter use, I would plumb a tube from the exhaust, maybe
with a valve for shut off, or with an inexpensive thermac vacuum sensor
that responds to temp, directly blowing on the carb to warm it, or duct
the intake air that way full time, just like a car has for cold startup
cold running. Even today alot of fuel injected cars have it. Gotta be a
reason, and this seems like a good reason to me...

END.

Great, let us know when you get it installed and how it works.

Mark, you added carb heat, things got better?  Carb ice is my vote.  You
said, "As I taxied out the temp was -1°C and the dewpoint was -2°C ".
If you have temp and dewpoint within a 2 to 3 degree spread, carb ice is
likely to occur.  Even flying my KR with the Revflow carb, I avoided
flying when this condition existed.  I didn't have carb heat, just the
alternate air source to the cowl but didn't want to chance it.  I have
flown my KR across country a few times in pretty cold weather without
issue following this rule. (I sure miss that plane. I better hurry and
get my KR-1 finished.)

Fly safe

Steve Glover
Long-EZ N2121U
Former KR-2 N902G)
AJO, Ca

KR> How Much ??

[Steve Glover]

The list of Volunteer DAR's maybe on the EAA web somewhere. Joe Horton,
Coopersburg, Pa. joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com

END..

If you go to the local FSDO website, they will have a link to all the
authorized DAR's under their control.  FSDO and MIDO offices will make
you wait a bit but always seem to enjoy it when they finally make it out
and have been pleasant to deal with, (in my experience).  Most of the
time they will bring a few people from the office to help inspect for
training purposes as they don't get much opportunity to work with
experimentals.

Steve Glover
Long-EZ N2121U
Former KR-2 N902G)
AJO, Ca

KR> looking for a KR-2 for Sale.

[Steve Glover]

Where are you located? I would like to take a look. Is it silver???

Regards,

Steve Glover
Cell: 714-293-9787
Long-EZ N2121U
(Former KR-2 N902G)
AJO, Ca




-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+kr02g=cox@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+kr02g=cox@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Carol &
Weldon Jennings
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:50 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> looking for a KR-2 for Sale.


Tail dragger, painted, registered, no electrical, Continental A75,
almost 
ready for flight.  Parked in my shop with the wings off.  Located on
west 
coast. Some small items to wrap it up for flight. Price negotiable.

- Original Message - 
From: "carlos noto" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: KR> looking for a KR-2 for Sale.


> hello how are you? pls send me some info about the kr2
>  thanks
>
> Tim Brown  wrote:
>  contact me at timwbr...@yahoo.com
>
> --- carlos noto wrote:
>
>> Hello how are you? I'm new in the list and
>> thanks you for letting me be a part of this
>> group.I'm looking to buy an kr-2 in final
>> stages. I'm located in south Florida..
>> any information will be grateful.
>>
>> thanks
>> Carlos noto
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KR> looking for a KR-2 for Sale.

[Steve Glover]

Sorry gang,  got too excited about the kr

Steve

KR> Cowling for sale

[Steve Glover]

I have a KR 1 cowling available from Richard Shirley's incredible KR-1
for sale.  This is the one he had on when he was running the VW.  Pics
can be seen at various Gathering events.  The latest one with this
cowling was the 2004 Gathering.  If you know anything about quality,
this is certainly it.  $375 plus shipping or you pick up.

Steve Glover
Long-EZ N2121U
(Former KR-2 N902G)
AJO, Ca

KR> Pedals

[Steve Glover]

Hi Bill,

This is the only drawing I can find.  I think the original file was on
my old computer.  The side view of the pedal is here.  You would just
need to make a small piece for the opposite side of the pedal.  You may
need to extend the mounting fork for the master cylinder to make it
work.  I can't remember if I did that or not.

Regards,

Steve Glover
Long-EZ N2121U
(Former KR-2 N902G)
AJO, Ca

KR> Pedals "SORRY"

[Steve Glover]

I guess I didn't paste in the address for Bill...

Steve

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of Steve Glover
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 8:57 PM
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: KR> Pedals


Hi Bill,

This is the only drawing I can find.  I think the original file was on
my old computer.  The side view of the pedal is here.  You would just
need to make a small piece for the opposite side of the pedal.  You may
need to extend the mounting fork for the master cylinder to make it
work.  I can't remember if I did that or not.

Regards,

Steve Glover
Long-EZ N2121U
(Former KR-2 N902G)
AJO, Ca

KR> KR PLans on CD

[Steve Glover]

I spoke with Jeanette about it this morning.  They certainly are not
authorized copies and she is looking into it...

Steve Glover
Long-EZ N2121U
(Former KR-2 N902G)
AJO, Ca


-Original Message-

Good job Jeff. I think Jeanette should be notified.

KR> KR PLans on CD

[Steve Glover]

-Original Message-

It is up to RR to get their finger out and stick genuine sets of plans 
on CD and make them available via ebay or any other means. 

END OF UNINFORMED PEOPLE AGAIN TALKING ABOUT THINGS THEY HAVE NO
KNOWLEDGE OF

Jeanette asked that I didn't go in to detail about certain things,
however, she has done more than some think in this area.  I talked to
her tonight and she did say she would not sell a CD due to problems with
pirating, such as what is happening now. Jeanette was in the office most
of today and took several calls.  One set of plans are even enroute to
Romania.  The KR certainly has become a popular international design due
to the economical method of building. She mentioned she was going to
start spending more time at the office to make sure things are being
taken care of. 

There is no question the evolution of the KR and the momentum of our
group has been enhanced by the hard work and willingness to R&D and
document progress by Mark Langford.  He has been an inspiration to us
all and has helped us improve the quality of construction of our KR's.
But this subject really has nothing to do with Mark. We should still do
the right thing when it comes to compensating Rand Robinson if plans are
to be purchased new.  Re-sale, when someone decides not to build is a
complete different animal and is not inclusive in this discussion. I
will say, and Dana can correct me if I am wrong, Van's charges you for a
registration change of RV plans owners/ builders. Jeanette does not that
I am aware of.

Bottom line is, if you want to build a plane, buy a legal set of plans
or design it yourself. In the end, only you can set the ethics and
integrity level for you. Can you look yourself in the mirror and not be
ashamed at what you see??? 

Steve Glover
Long-EZ N2121U
(Former KR-2 N902G)
AJO, Ca

KR> evolution of the S - Contacting RR

[Steve Glover]

Hello all, yes I am backtoo bad if you don't like it :)

I have been watching some of these posts/ complaints, etc..  It's funny
most say they can never contact Jeanette.  I just called this morning
and got her on the first try. We chatted awhile about some of the
"concerns" posted to the net.  

Realizing she is basically a one person operation, she clearly cannot
provide the same type of support, say, a company like Zenith with a
hundred or so employees can provide.  She does, however, follow up on
the calls and faxes she receives.  Maybe just not as quickly as some
would like.  For example, The gent from Aussie land complained about a
lack of response.  Keep in mind we just had the KR Gathering in
Illinois.  I believe his contact attempts were during this period.
Jeanette and her daughter attend regularly as they like being a part of
this event and it also gives her the opportunity to combine this event
with visiting family and friends from back east.  The reason there has
been no response as of late is after the Gathering, Jeanette spent time
with family and then traveled the southern states with friends from
college.  Today was her first day back in the office and she was busy
going through all the phone messages and faxes. 

All faxes/ orders are taken care of and I would think anyone would be
hard pressed to prove they had never received an order or what was paid
for.  Calls are returned as possible.  Some leave disconnected numbers.
Some just don't answer.  Are you able to always contact those whom you
call?  I'm not saying RR or Jeanette is perfect by any means, none of us
are, but she does do a lot for being one person.

I asked about the KR2S evolution.  There were 4 people involved in the
development.  It was, in fact, a market driven change as people were
wanting more headroom/ legroom, etc and were already making their own
changes.  She wanted to make sure the changes were safe for people and
of course for liability concerns.  The KR2S was NOT a complete redesign.
The things that were changed, IE: firewall, tail, aluminum gear were all
designed and then a stress analysis performed.  Kevin Kelly of KR-100
fame, who is an engineering architect, is the one who worked on the
design change for the firewall and gear.  Roy Marsh's plane was used for
tooling of the 2S.  He was a military pilot and performed all the flight
testing on the changes. The stress analysis was performed by Bill
Marcy(sp?). He has a firm which specializes in these type of
calculations.  Rick Henson made all the tooling, plugs, and molds for
the 2S and new canopy design. While Lance has helped out for a number of
years before he started Lancair, he was not involved.

I found out an interesting thing about the wing skins and why the cost
difference. I am not really interested in hearing about if this is right
or wrong from our resident experts (and you know who you are) so don't
bother.  Dan D's wing skins are a foam core with vinylester resin. This
is similar to the Glasair style wings.  RR wing skins are actually a
honeycomb core with epoxy prepreg. They are also vacuum bagged but then
cured in an autoclave, similar to the Lancair style wings.  The process
and materials are apparently a bit more costly.

On the contact front, if there is anyone from outside the states who
would like to order or contact RR, Jeanette has authorized me to accept
e-mails for her and then I will ensure she receives the information.

Hopefully this ends any speculation on the above subject.  Feel free to
contact me if you have any questions, and please, do it direct so as not
to waste bandwidth on the net...

Steve Glover
Long-EZ N2121U
(Former KR-2 N902G)
AJO, Ca

KR> WAF Plasma cutting

[Steve Glover]

-Original Message-
I tend to LEARN from these discussions. I'd like to thank the posters
for including the group in them. 

Scott 

END >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Scott,

You can LEARN all you want by reading the previous e-mail.  It is just
plain lazy and inconsiderate to leave all that junk on each consecutive
email, not to mention it screws up the search archives when someone
really does need to find something.  One has too wade through a ton of
this crap to find their answer. When the answer becomes too difficult to
find, then the question pops back up on the net for all to see AGAIN.

I don't think POSTING a question here was Bob's point, I think it was
more of have a little consideration for others by editing your post
before sending it.  It really is not that difficult.  Some people do not
have the bandwidth to download all these redundant posts. Have I been
guilty of this in the past?  You bet.  Now I make sure I take the extra
5 SECONDS it takes to delete the previous dissertations with maybe the
exception of the key points I would like to respond to.

No additional posts or response on this matter needed. Just pay
attention to what you (read all) are doing.  Like Mark L. has said
numerous time, (hundreds of times I'm sure), before you hit the send
key, evaluate whether 600 other people need to see or care about what
you are sending.  If it a trivial response like "me too" or some other
great response, SEND IT DIRECT!  Don't waste the space on the net.  Do I
have a delete key? Yeah.  Do I know how to use it? Maybe. Should I have
to wade through a bunch of junk to find any useful info or just a "me
too" response in a 2 page e-mail?  Absolutely NOT.

I think it was Dana who said, "let's just play nice in the sandbox and
get back to building KR's".

Steve Glover
Long-EZ N2121U
(Former KR-2 N902G)
Building Super Modified KR-1
AJO, Ca

KR> RE: KR net BS

[Steve Glover]

-Original Message-
Larry Your posts are some of best,  keep on postings and leave it all in
there, don't pay any attention to the bitching from those who rhink thay
kmow it all. Like he said cutting and pasting is for the 5 to 8 year
olds. Thanks 
Jim 

END.
..

Well Jimmie, since you and a few other people seem to think you have all
the answers, you can have this forum for your own little kingdom. You
apparently are one of the INDIVIDUALS who could give a rats a#* about
impeding the ability to effectively search for information regarding
building KR's or even assisting people to download any USEFUL
information from the KR net that have slow internet connections (IE:
dial-up).  By the way, have you actually built a KR or finished a
project? You clearly are some type of engineer.  You apparently
purchased a project, what's the status?  I see in some of your 93 posts
to the KR net you recommend changing the airfoil to the VK-30 wing.  Are
you doing this on your own project???  It is easy to tell others what
they should do when it isn't your life on the line making the changes.
But of course YOU already know that because YOU know ALL, don't you?
Honestly, you are one of the ones who seem to love the "Me Too" type
responses judging from the majority of your posts so I am not surprised
at your lack of consideration based upon the above post. 

I for one, as well as a few other long timers have about had enough of
all the BS around here. I know of at least one other person who has
unsubscribed today as will I after this last post. Good night, and Good
Luck

Steve Glover
Long-EZ N2121U
(Former KR-2 N902G)
Building Super Modified KR-1
AJO, Ca




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RE: Réf. : KR> Gorilla Glue (urethane glue)

[Steve Glover]

Are you willing to bet your life on it???

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca



-Original Message-
Apart from that, I believe it matches Epoxy for 
foam-to-wood bonding.

KR> KR Gathering ---Homecoming?

[Steve Glover]

Unfortunately, Meadowlark airport is not there any longer. It is now a
bunch of condos.  The closest non-controlled field is Corona where
Richard Shirley, Richard Seifert, and I are located. I wouldn't mind
having a Gathering there.  It would not be a bad place for the event.
Close to major airports for those taking commercial.  I guess everyone
can ponder that until Mt Vernon and decide then...



-Original Message-

Glenda and I were talking and she came up with an interesting idea.
Why not a gathering in California at Kens airport or area?  Visit
Janette?  That way Steve Glover  doesnt get the longest distance award -
A kind of Kr homecoming.   Be nice to send in photo to Sport Aviation of
25 KRs and a bunch of people in front of the KR birthplaceThoughts?

KR> KR Gathering ---Homecoming?

[Steve Glover]

HMaybe, if I'm still considered a member of the KR community
since my beloved 902G is gone...  I am working on the new KR-1 design
though.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G (Former)
AJO, Ca


-Original Message-


There is even a nice restaurant on the field at Corona Airport. I have
eaten 
there several times and even have a T-shirt from there. Sounds like a
plan. 
Maybe someone will want to host it and pitch it at the banquet.

KR> Anti junk/disabled anything laws LONG

[Steve Glover]

If you have been around awhile, you will find stuff like this always
comes up at some point.  I am sure all do not necessarily fall into that
generalized category (unless you happen to be a politician). And as I
said, it is just my opinion If you would like to continue this
discussion, you are welcome to e-mail off list.  

Regards,

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca






-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of michaela
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:22 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> Anti junk/disabled anything laws LONG


Is there any chance we could keep the political statements off the
list... I'm betting not everyone on the list is a non-democrat. Some
might even have a "bleeding heart."  Your note implies, no it states so
directly, that such memebers are the root cause of societies problems. I
really respect this list and all the incredibly valuable insights
related to KR building that it offers. But that type of generalized
comment offends me. Given the member size and diversity of the list, I
suspect I may not be the only one so affected.

Thanks.

Tony Pickering
Moscow Idaho



>  ---Original Message---
>  From: R. Eason Sr. 
>  Subject: RE: KR> Anti junk/disabled anything laws LONG
>  Sent: 19 Jul '06 16:12
>  
>  I like your point of view.
>  
>  Ronald R. Eason Sr.
>  Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office
>  J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd.
>  816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO.
>  Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com
>  
>  
>  ------ Original Message --
>  From: "Steve Glover" 
>  Reply-To: KRnet 
>  Date:  Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:34:15 -0700
>  
>  Well Colin, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.  Mine is that

> laws such as this is where we all have had our rights or civil 
> liberties  encroached upon.  Where are my rights when I cannot utilize

> my own  property, that I have paid for, for my entertainment or 
> enjoyment as  long as I do not cause damage or harm to anyone.  One 
> could argue they  are "damaged" from having to view my plane.  In that

> case I could give a  rats and they should close the curtain or get a 
> life.  I whole heartedly  agree that there is a limit to what one 
> could/ should do in public view.  Your statement regarding abandoned 
> or junk cars, etc. within a city  limit or neighborhood certainly 
> would affect property values and  therefore damaging to others.  But 
> something like building a car,  aircraft, boat, or other constructive 
> like hobby does not fall into this  category as long as the property 
> in public view is maintained and not  used as a junk yard.
>  
>  This type of abuse of the political system is indicative of how 
> liberal  our society has become in regards to the bleeding hearts or 
> Democrats  who are, in my opinion the root cause of why our society 
> has declined so  markedly in moral and ethical conviction.  They must 
> all be members of  the ACLU or any of these other organizations who 
> think everybody owes  them something and will file a law suit just 
> because they can.  I also  have been on the enforcement side but there

> is a Reasonable Man's rule  that must apply. The problem is, there are

> very few reasonable men in  the political arena.
>  
>  I ordinarily abstain from this type of discussion on the net as it is

> a  waste of my time. However, this particular type of abuse of the 
> system  irritates the fire out of me.
>  
>  This is not a flame toward you Colin, just my opinion. Now Back to KR

> stuff, we have better things to do.
>  
>  Regards,
>  
>  Steve Glover
>  KR-2 N902G
>  AJO, Ca
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  Sent via the WebMail system at jrl-engineering.com
>  
>  
>  
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KR> "Ol Blue for sale on Barnstormers...

[Steve Glover]

Netter's,

N4DD is listed on Barnstormers for sale.  This is the oldest KR around.
If you want a piece of history, this is the one.  www.barnstormers.com

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca

KR> New to the building group

[Steve Glover]

It came up for me.  www.krgathering.org  When talking to the local EAA
chapter about your new project, don't let the naysayers scare you out of
the project.  It is very doable and you will be very glad you did when
you take to the skies for the first time...

Good Luck,

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca




-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of shu...@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 12:12 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> New to the building group


Ok,

I finally did it.

I bought a KR2 project.  I even went so far as to buy it on  Ebay.

To the best of my review of the sketchy documentation I am the forth in
a  
line of KR builders to "attempt" to build this project.  So I missed
that  three 
is a charm thing.

I originally planned on building either a KR or a FlyBaby and I have
already 
purchased the plans for the Flybaby but the Ebay offer appeared to be a
good 
deal and I went for it.

Now I am the proud owner of:  A boat with stub spars, wing spars, horz
& 
vert stabs Diel glass wing covers and main gear, coweling amd turtle
deck  and a 
corvair.(I was planning an a corvair in the Flybaby).  Other than the
wing 
skins no glass has been done and very little foam.

I am in the process of inventorying what I have and making room in the  
workshop to "build my plane" The workshop is full of the typical stuff
and there  
is no where to even start to build.

My plan is a "roomy" 1 place cruiser or a "tight" 2 place fun  machine.

Bio Information:

Male 50 ish
Engineer - Aerospace - Propulsion (Materials  - Metals /  Welding) PPL
300 hrs 172, 150, Tomahawk Part owner of a 152 Married and hope to stay
that way  4 Kids all out of the house Live in Central Connecticut Member
of EAA although never have attended a meeting (I guess that will  
change now)

Would like to meet other KR folks in the area and to get a handle on
just  
how crazy I really am.

KR net has already been worth the price.  (I know it is free but the
info 
has already been helpful)

One question Regarding the Mt. Vernon - 2006 gathering I have  been
trying to 
cut & paste the link and all I get is a blank page.  Is  the page
actually up?

Gary Shubert
KR2 soon to be under construction AGAIN
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KR> Anti junk/disabled anything laws LONG

[Steve Glover]

Well Colin, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.  Mine is that
laws such as this is where we all have had our rights or civil liberties
encroached upon.  Where are my rights when I cannot utilize my own
property, that I have paid for, for my entertainment or enjoyment as
long as I do not cause damage or harm to anyone.  One could argue they
are "damaged" from having to view my plane.  In that case I could give a
rats and they should close the curtain or get a life.  I whole heartedly
agree that there is a limit to what one could/ should do in public view.
Your statement regarding abandoned or junk cars, etc. within a city
limit or neighborhood certainly would affect property values and
therefore damaging to others.  But something like building a car,
aircraft, boat, or other constructive like hobby does not fall into this
category as long as the property in public view is maintained and not
used as a junk yard.  

This type of abuse of the political system is indicative of how liberal
our society has become in regards to the bleeding hearts or Democrats
who are, in my opinion the root cause of why our society has declined so
markedly in moral and ethical conviction.  They must all be members of
the ACLU or any of these other organizations who think everybody owes
them something and will file a law suit just because they can.  I also
have been on the enforcement side but there is a Reasonable Man's rule
that must apply. The problem is, there are very few reasonable men in
the political arena.

I ordinarily abstain from this type of discussion on the net as it is a
waste of my time. However, this particular type of abuse of the system
irritates the fire out of me.

This is not a flame toward you Colin, just my opinion. Now Back to KR
stuff, we have better things to do.

Regards,

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca




-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of beverlyrai...@bellsouth.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:12 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Anti junk/disabled anything laws


Netters
Unfortunately I have to agree with the local jurisdiction on their
decision to prohibit the repair and construction of cars, trucks, and
now light aircraft outside of a building and the storage of such items
in side or backyards, regardless of its intended use.

In cities like Jacksonville, where it is already a severe problem that
vehicles of all kinds find "themselves" first parked and then later,
parted out as "project" cars or trucks, to open up the possibility of
someone finding a loop hole to exploit, so that now they can have a auto
repair shop in their back yard, or driveway, due to undefined "projects"
present, would end up a massive problem for all residential property
owners.  My old subdivision was governed by the City of Sanford Florida.
They had a city ordinance that no repairs to any automobile, truck, or
"vehicle" including trailers, could be accomplished in the open in your
driveway.  Any repairs desired could be accomplished inside an enclosed
garage or out building, to include project car restorations, and
specifically my airplane in my single car garage. They knew about my
plane, and openly stated that as long as it was never stored outside, or
that repairs and construction were conducted inside the garage, that I
was fine and within the law. They KNEW it would or could take years to
finish; that was okay.

By prohibiting the storage of parts of anything, planes or cars, or
machines, in the opne side or back yards, or in the driveways of
residential homes is nothing more than legislation that protects home
owner values.  When it is inside your garage, out of sight from your
neighbor, and they want to interfere, it is a violation of your civil
rights. When your neighbor can see it, and can find it an eye sore, even
if it is not one, then you are encroaching on your neighbor's rights.
You might not like him storing a sign promoting Gay Rights propped
against the side of his house, facing yours. To him, he might find your
partially assembled plane peeking out from under a cover, just as
offensive.

WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND that many people DO NOT share our passion for
flying, nor do they understand our commitment to its enjoyment.  We
already have too many pilots who beligerently assert their right to fly,
even though they have been asked to conduct such operations with noise
abatement, but disregard this request saying it is their right to fly!
Years later the airport is shut down because there is only several
hundred pilot votes to remain open, compared to many thousands non-pilot
votes to close the airport.

Like it or not, these are our neighbors. We have to find a way to
compromise, or solos like the one that just happened are going to
gradually become less and less frequent.  They will just lock us out of
their airspace, and then who knows what next

Sorry abo

KR> OSH / KR Mini Gathering

[Steve Glover]

Make that 6 KR's.  Richard Shirley will be flying in as well. He and I
will pick up Lee on the way through Phoenix.  Unfortunately I will be
delivering 902G to her new owner in Kansas so won't be able to make it.
Rich and Lee will continue on without me. :( 

I'll still see you all at the Gathering though.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca



-Original Message-

I sure hope you will. Looks like a nice crowd on Sunday. Five KR's are 
planning on being here.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com
E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com

KR> How Many Days?

[Steve Glover]

  They are (Best KR) (People's Choice) (Best panel and interior)
(Best firewall Forward) (Greatest Distance Flown).  I'm betting Richard
Shirley will be taking at least one of them home in his KR, if he has 
room.  I'll offer now
to ship it , Richard.  :-)

Larry Flesner

END

You will probably have to add him to the Best Firewall Forward
category... what he has done with the new engine install is simply
amazing!  Stay tuned...

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca

KR> How Many Days?

[Steve Glover]

That would be a lot of circles :)

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca




-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of Mark Jones
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:06 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> How Many Days?


I was thinking I could fly in circles around MVN before I land to beat
that greatest distance record. 

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
Web site: www.flykr2s.com
Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com




-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
Behalf Of Larry&Sallie Flesner
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:46 AM
To: kr2coo...@earthlink.net; KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> How Many Days?


At 11:14 AM 7/14/2006, you wrote:
>Just checked the list for my name which I submitted a few days ago and
was
>not on the list so I resubmitted.
>Jack Cooper
+

As Mark mentioned, your registration will not post immediately.  Bob
will update the list as he has time.  Rest assured, if you submitted, it
will show, eventually.  As the Gathering gets closer, Bob will be giving
me more frequent updates for shirts and hats orders.  If you have any
questions, get back to me personally at  fles...@verizon.net.

I picked up the finished Gathering awards this morning.  One more detail
taken care of.  They are (Best KR) (People's Choice) (Best panel and
interior)
(Best firewall Forward) (Greatest Distance Flown).  I'm betting Richard
Shirley will be taking at least one of them home in his KR, if he has 
room.  I'll offer now
to ship it , Richard.  :-)

Larry Flesner


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KR> Fw: Now a real airplane

[Steve Glover]

Congrat's Jim!  Just take your time on the flight testing.  Don't let
anyone rush you to do anything before YOU are ready.  Let us know how it
goes.

Regards,

Steve Glover
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AJO, Ca




-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of Jim Brewer
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 2:57 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Fw: Now a real airplane



- Original Message - 
From: Jim Brewer 
To: kr...@mylist.net 
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 5:54 PM
Subject: Now a real airplane


KR Netters,  as of today, N216CB is a certified real airplane!  Thanks
to Steve Glover, Colin Rainey, Brian Kraut, Mark Jones, and everyone
else on the net for so much good and helpful information.   N216CB is a
plans built KR2 with a GPAS rear drive 2180cc, Ellison and capacative
electronic ignition that was certified by the Orlando FSDO this morning
after 16 yrs building.  First flight in a day or so, I'll keep you all
posted.
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KR> the IN-Crowd plus NEW Family Memeber

[Steve Glover]

Dan, tell me your kidding... the Corvair is great but after all your
hard work, you gotta at least fly it with the VW. Once your Corvair is
completed and you have all your components, then do the change over. But
come on man...you gotta fly that thing!  :)

I flew the KR for a couple hours today. I have kinda neglected it a bit
since I got the Long-EZ flying.  A friend from the USMC brought his kids
up for a ride.  The completely enjoyed it and want to do it again.  I
sure will miss this plane. 

Speaking of missing the KR, we have a new KR family member. N902G was
purchased from the current owner by Paul Russell out of Fort Scott,
Kansas.  I will be delivering the KR and will meet Lee Van Dyke in
Phoenix on the 20th on my trip. We will be flying to together up into
Kansas before he continues on to OSH and I make the final leg to
Pittsburg, KS to 02G's new home.

I will still see everyone at the Gathering but will be in the EZ this
time. I'll be competing for the ugliest plane award.  The EZ is still
pretty rough from going through the flood but at least she is flyable.
Richard Shirley and I will make the trek together again this year.

See ya in a couple months.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca

KR> VW / Corvair

[Steve Glover]

-Original Message-

VW owners, stick together, and ask just how many crank failures there
have really been with Corvairs???

END.

I must say, there have most likely been a lot more failures on the VW
during it's teething phase of development.  I have flown the VW for over
300 hours and it has been reliable and is a great alternative for
someone building their KR by the plans.  I would just like to have a bit
more power for the money.  My next KR is designed for the Corvair
installation.  It will be a turbo Corvair in my modified KR-1 and should
really move along.  My point with Dan was that I can't wait to see him
fly and I wouldn't wait for the conversion to do it...

Enough computer stuff, I'm going flying now.....

Regards,

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca

KR> Day at WW -How many Corvairs have you flown?

[Steve Glover]

-Original Message-
After landing it was  discovered that Grace Wynne has probably been 
in more Corvair powered aircraft  than anybody else.  

END

I would be happy with one once my KR-1 is completed.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca

KR> Insurance

[Steve Glover]

Falcon has/ had my insurance for the KR. It was $500 for liability only
with Richard Shirley as a secondary pilot.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca




-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+kr02g=cox@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+kr02g=cox@mylist.net] On Behalf Of
countryhomeprint
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:21 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Insurance


My insurance is with Falcon out of Texas. My insurance runs $1225 per
year 
for liability only. This covers 3 pilots.
- Original Message - 
From: "Robert L. Stone" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: KR> Insurance


> Hay guys,
> Who knows of a good insurance company???
>
> Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx ___
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KR> EAA needs our help!!!

[Steve Glover]

-Original Message-

I presume he did since Timm contacted me today asking for help finding a
KR-1.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)

-Original Message-
I thought that they had asked Richard Shirley to do that.  Did he turn
them down?

END

They wanted Richard to flip the bill for ALL his expenses to go display
it for them.  No gas, nada.  They're response was, "we'll give you a
place to park".  They suck...

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca

KR> Fw: KR parking Oshkosh '06

[Steve Glover]

-Original Message-

Below is the response from EAA on parking KR's at Airventure.

END

I guess my point is, they called Richard and asked him to bring his
plane.  Then, they told him it is on his dime...  I would think they
would at least offer fuel.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca

KR> KR Net

[Steve Glover]

-Original Message-
If you go the PR type I wouldn't expect an 8 to 10 knot increase in
speed. That comes from a design with a lot more HP designed to cruise at
a lot higher speed. I would however expect 5. 

END

I picked up about 12 MPH with gear leg fairings over Diehl gear and
wheel pants on 2180 powered KR-2...

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca

KR> KR Net

[Steve Glover]

-Original Message-
I will next add the intersection fairings but my concern is cracking of
these fairings. Have you experienced this?

END

No, I left a bit of clearance around the gear leg. I then use some white
tape at the gap. My installation probably is not optimal but it works.


Regards,

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca

KR> another report on John Monday

[Steve Glover]

Original Message -

I too was shocked to see that he had to sell his KR2.  The information
that Mark said, that John wanted to be at the gathering this year was
not just for the KR, it was also for all the friends that he had met at
the gathering.  He was a good guy and will be missed by many.  God speed
John.

END


I went to the memorial service on Sunday for John and Chris and had the
opportunity to speak with John's wife and family.  She told me she is
the one who prompted John to get the new plane so he could fly now
instead of waiting to finish the KR. She said he loved to fly and would
always be working like a mad man or dreaming of new ideas for his KR
project.  She also said he was getting in some practice for the trip to
the Gathering this year. 

I let her know John also had his extended family in the KR net and that
he would be sorely missed. She seemed surprised that some had recently
been in contact with John to make sure he showed this year and that he
mattered so much to so many. I extended our condolences on behalf of the
KR family. 

After the service a few of the guys in Waco's and Stearman's did a
missing man formation and then I made a pass in the KR for John and his
family. 

I don't now what was going on Sunday but I think every nut case around
was trying to fly into Corona.  The other formation and I were cut off
several times while attempting our passes by people not paying attention
or just inconsiderate. Unfortunately, a guy who forced his way into the
pattern landed and then retracted his gear instead of flaps on roll out.
The plane dumped right next to the observation deck where John and
Chris's families were.  Go figure the plane was a "V" tail Bonanza like
John's.  I am told John's wife was considerably shaken by this.

I ended up having to orbit the airport for about 1.4 hours while the
runway was cleared and the FAA reopened the field. What a day... :(

Stay safe.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca

KR> KR1 Quoted in EAA Newsletter

[Steve Glover]

SO, how many are going to fly their KR to Oshkosh? Let me know and I
will see what I can do to get us a designated row.

END

The EAA contacted Richard Shirley and asked him to bring his KR-1.  Rich
asked if they helped with gas or anything.  He was told all they would
give him is a parking place...

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca


PS - The guy who bought my KR says again) he needs to sell because he
lost his hangar space and is having a problem getting out here to pick
it up. If anyone is interested in 902G, let me know. I have the EZ is
pretty close to flying so I now need the space in my hangar.

KR> hole punches

[Steve Glover]

AC Spruce has a two sided set that cuts both 3.125 and 2.25 inches.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca

KR> Lost KR/ Corvaircraft Family Member

[Steve Glover]

> It is with great sadness I must report the passing of one of our own.
> I learned today that John Monday died in the crash of his Bonanza in
> Reno, Nevada 2 days ago.  Details are sketchy but from what I
> understand, he and another pilot, (CFI) Chris from Chrisaire Aviation
> in Corona was departing Reno for home and had engine trouble on
> take-off. They attempted to return to the airport and crashed into a
> house.  The aircraft burst in to flames and destroyed the house.
> There were not survivors.
> 
> A IFR flight plan was filed, however, I don't know the conditions at
> the time of the crash.  I think John was just getting cross country
> training in the "V" tail Bonanza he had recently purchased.  From what
> I understand, this airplane had the cross over yoke so only one person
> could fly at a time.  We still don't know who was flying. I had talked
> to him a couple weeks ago and he was planning on taking the Bonanza to
> the Gathering this year.
> 
> The memorial service is tomorrow at 1 pm at Corona, California.
> 
> Steve Glover
> KR-2 N902G
> AJO, Ca
> 
> 
> 

KR> Virginia KR meeting

[Steve Glover]

How about a east coast meeting in the next few weeks?  I will be flying
the KR out to Boston, MA. to it's new owner and will be making a few
stops through central Texas, Alabama, over to Florida to see WW, and
then up the coast...

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca




-Original Message-

Joe Horton's itching to do a long cross country, and I'm always up for
one, 

KR> Virginia KR meeting

[Steve Glover]

You're not kidding.  I miss it already... At least I'll have the LongEZ
to fly while I'm building the new KR. I gotta do something to beat, or
at least keep up with Richard Shirley.

Regards,

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca


-Original Message-

You sure are going to miss that bird once you release her. 

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
Web site: www.flykr2s.com
Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com

KR> Virginia KR meeting

[Steve Glover]

Hi Mark,

I will be going thru Dothan, AL.  My brother lives there.  How far is
that from your place?  I don't know if my KR can do grass.  The wheel
pants are really low to the deck.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+kr02g=cox@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+kr02g=cox@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Langford
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 10:09 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Virginia KR meeting


Steve Glover wrote:

> How about a east coast meeting in the next few weeks?  I will be 
> flying the KR out to Boston, MA. to it's new owner and will be making 
> a few stops through central Texas, Alabama, over to Florida to see WW,

> and then up the coast...

That's fine with me.  Maybe my father's farm in south Alabama, 8 miles
south 
of TOI  (Troy).  It's grass, but it's pretty long (3600').  Or maybe
here in 
Huntsville even.  Nothing big, just a few hours on the ground BS'ing
about 
KRs...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net


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KR> Virginia KR meeting

[Steve Glover]

Yeah, When I installed the pants, Richard S. talked me into installing
them lower than normal so I only have about 1" - 1.5" of clearance. 

I'll get ahold of you as the date gets closer to coordinate.

Steve
-Original Message-

My brother's 172 has wheel pants and he flys in and out all the time,
but his 
tires are bigger too.

KR> Northern California KR Builders

[Steve Glover]

Not this weekend but I will be flying into Golden West.  I'll see you
there...

Regards,

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca




-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of rick...@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 11:34 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Northern California KR Builders


Are any KR builders planning to attend the Watsonville airshow this
weekend? I'll be there Sunday morning. How about you, Steve Glover?

Also, Golden West will be June 10 and 11 -- let me know if you're
planning to attend.

Rick Coykendall
Pacifica, CA 
rick...@comcast.net
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KR> Engine Mount @ Firewall

[Steve Glover]

Unless you are making your forward deck removable, I would highly
recommend installing nut plates on aluminum plate. At some point you may
want to remove the engine mount.

Regards,

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca




-Original Message-
The question I have is what is used on the interior firewall side,
Larger washers for wood, aluminum plates, Reg. AM washers or what?  Then
do we use stop nuts or Castle nuts with cotter pins?

KR> WAS Engine Mount @ Firewall

[Steve Glover]

Hi Lee,

I'm doing well.  It sounds like you are still having a great time
flying.  I had a set back on the EZ.  It looks like a new cowl and
exhaust is in order.  I will still make the Gathering with Rich Shirley
and his new speed demon, it just won't be pretty.  

Speaking of Rich, everyone better stand by, he is smoking faster than he
ever was before. It is scary.  Once I have the EZ flying, the
fabrication of the new KR structure begins for me.  I have a number of
sub-assemblies and components built/ designed already so I am hoping the
process goes quickly.  I have the garage/ shop geared up for production
with a metal lathe, Bridgeport mill, Tig welder, and a few other goodies
to help with the production schedule.  By the way, if there are any
builders, (read Active and Productive), out there who needs something
machined up, I wouldn't mind helping out if it not too major of a
project.

Lee, I still have the KR believe it or not so we should still meet
somewhere in the middle for breakfast or lunch.  I hope all is well on
your end.

And for you builders out there, you really need to get on it. I still
fly the KR regularly...I can tell you, you really don't know what you
are missing.

Regards,

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca




-Original Message-

This comming from a Person who has experience  How have you been 
Steve???

Lee

KR> VW 2180 Idle

[Steve Glover]

Dan, are you flying now???

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca




-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of Dan Heath
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 4:09 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> VW 2180 Idle


I have a VW 2180 and Diehl Wing Skins ( float on landing ), with a 52X50
Sterba Prop.   What is the maximum acceptable idle RPM for this
configuration.  I have no drag devices.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for
building is OVER. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
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KR> handheld radio

[Steve Glover]

I have flown my KR across country a few times with a Icom A-5.  It is
one of the smallest handhelds out there.  It works awesome and you can
program 10 banks of 20 freq's through your PC for your route.  Then it
becomes one click to change to the next freq enroute.  I have never used
any type of booster but have talked to people at 100 miles.  On one trip
home from the Gathering, Richard Shirley was in Tennessee and I was
coming from Alabama to meet in Red Oak,  Arkansas.  We were both an hour
out and able to communicate.  

For the money and performance.  I like the handheld.  If I did install a
panel com, the Becker would be my first choice for the size of our
planes.  The microair seems to be ok as well and is less expensive that
the Becker.


The Transponder gives you more options if you are flying and distances.
Again, one of the small Becker or Microair would be good.  I have (had)
the Trimble/ Terra TXN 200D.  Good unit but no longer in production and
hard to have repaired reasonably.

FWIW

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca

KR> KR on eBay (Maybe Soon)

[Steve Glover]

Netters,

I just received a email from the owner of N902G. Family issues may be
forcing him to put 902G back on the block for sale. I still have the KR
and keep her fit and exercised.  If interested, let me know off line as
I might be facilitating the sale to the new owner...

Regards,

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
Corona, Ca

KR> Oil proof primer

[Steve Glover]

Original Message---

Or the fastest???


Hi Bobby,

Not likely...I'm sure Richard Shirley's will smoke just about everything
out theremore to come at the 2006 Gathering.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca




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KR> CAD wing template

[Steve Glover]

Not for the AS5048 - AS5046... Check with Mark Langford.  He is our
resident Guru with the high speed stuff.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca



-Original Message-

Full size drawings in the plans, Virg

KR> KR-2 Embroidery Logo

[Steve Glover]

Hello Netter's,

I have received a number of requests for the digitized file for the logo
on the seats of my KR.  I have two sizes of logos. One is for shirts/
hats, and one is for the seats. There are two different digitized
formats so companies who use different types of machines can embroider
the logos. The colors can be changed by your shop to reflect your
aircraft colors if you wish.
Because of how much time I have invested as well as money for the
digitizing, I provide the files for a small fee of $10.00. I send the
files on a cd for you to take the shop of your choice. 
My mailing address is:

Steve Glover
23052H Alicia Pkwy #413
Mission Viejo, Ca. 92692

Regards,

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca

KR> slipping / crabbing

[Steve Glover]

I say we get Mark L. to R&D us a new set of gear that tracks down the
runway heading no matter what the wind direction is just like the
commercial air liners. That way nobody would have to worry about it.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca

KR> KRs and slipping etc...

[Steve Glover]

I must be a crappy pilot because I always slip my KR in No speed
brake or flaps but make decent landings.  Any of my previous passengers
on the net have any comments on my landings?  Honestly, it won't hurt my
feelings...

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca

KR> Richard Shirley's gear.

[Steve Glover]

I talked to Richard today.  He did in fact make his own gear.  He bent
it from 7075-O and then had it heat treated once it was completed.  20+
years and still seems to work.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca




-Original Message-

  Anyone know what gear Richard Shirly has on his KR1 ?

KR> Harbor freight digital dial calipers

[Steve Glover]

I bought 2 sets. One for the hangar, one for the home shop.  They work
great.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca




-Original Message-
Harbor freight has them for 15.99

  Anyone used them?

KR> Harbor freight digital dial calipers

[Steve Glover]

I have sold the plane, fortunately for me the new owner has not had a
chance to come get it. He's going to be in the Bay area this week so I
may fly up to Livermore to show him his new bird. From there I will head
on up north and visit a few friends back home. 

I have decided not to buy anything and just get my LongEZ back together.
I am hoping to have it going for the trip to the Gathering this year
with Rich Shirley. Once it is flying, I'll be starting on the new KR.  I
actually have already been building parts for the gear, etc.

I am actually at Corona and plan on staying there unless it floods
again. I just moved to a larger hangar for my projects.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca




-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of Ron Smith
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 2:09 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: RE: KR> Harbor freight digital dial calipers




Steve Glover  wrote:I bought 2 sets. One for the
hangar, one for the home shop. They work
great.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca

  Thanks Steve,

  How's the sale of your plane going? I was happy for you that you sold
it, while at the same time kinda bummed that you wouldn't have that
pretty little bird at Chino for me to come look at now and then.

  Are you still keeping your hanger at Chino? I though I read you were
looking for a new plane?





Regards Smitty,



Ron Smith
Kr2ssxl
Cypress Ca U.S.A.
mercedesm...@yahoo.com http://ronsmith.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php

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KR> KR-1 cabin width

[Steve Glover]

Come on guys, you know Richard can't do anything as traditional such as
buying his gear.  Like his valve covers, I believe he made his own. I'll
ask him to make sure and let you know.

By the way, his new motor came to life a couple days ago and sure sounds
sweet.  He may have the KR back to the airport this weekend for test
flights.

Regards,

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca




-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of Matthew Elder
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 6:20 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 cabin width


Maybe I missed part of a conversation or something... 
 I don't have my "plans" in front of me, but from what I recall the
stock KR-1 fuselage is only about 19" wide on the inside, 
 not 38.75".  

 Don't know about his gear.. Steve Glover may know off the top of his
head.

 Matt (shoulders are much wider than 19") Elder

- 
Matthew Elder 
Orangeburg, SC
  http://www.infinigral.com/melder

My Airplane Project: 
http://www.infinigral.com/melder/flying/KR1/


- Original Message 
From: curry 
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 08:58:59
Subject: KR> KR-1 cabin width

There is a lot of talk about how narrow this cockpit is but when I look
at the plans I'm seeing a 38.75 fuse width. Am I missing something?
Anyone know what gear Richard Shirly has on his KR1 ?

Thanks,
Curry
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KR> Entusiastic group (BEWARE)

[Steve Glover]

Sounds like someone trying to milk a bunch of free plans/ supplies from
the aircraft community.  It appears they have no clue as to what a KR is
and just want the freebies.  I know there are a number of generous
people on the KR net but I would pass on this one...

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca




-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of djo
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:28 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Entusiastic group


Hello All;
We are group of students working on a student project of design and
building of light airplane. All your donation of plans and user manuals
for airplanes and motorized sailplanes will be welcomed and mentioned.
Please send them in PDF or DWG format. All best; Georgi Petkovski ak
group please use this e-mail brko...@gmail.com
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KR> Gathering Transportation

[Steve Glover]

It was Steve Jones and I that had it.  Steve Jones picked it up and was
told to just leave it at the airport at the end of the weekend.  It was
really nice of Chris' Dad to do that.

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca



-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of Bob Glidden
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:39 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Gathering Transportation


I don't remember who it was last year,but Chris dad took somebody out to
his 
house on his motorcycle and loaned them his personal van.You could not
ask 
for nicer people and I'm sure they will get things worked out for us...

Bob Glidden
Eminence,Indiana
KR2S N181FW (building)
Corvair 110
glid...@ccrtc.com 


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RE: Réf. : KR> buying KR plans

[Steve Glover]

Hello All,

After seeing a number of posts berating RR (again), I thought I would
give her a call.  I received a phone call back this morning from
Jeannette.  She had been out of town for over a week due to a family
emergency and just got back.  She was busy catching up on
orders/inquiries, to include the 2 from South Africa. 

Just so everyone knows, she is in the office from about 9:30 AM to 2 PM
daily Pacific Time.  She does take her grand kids to school and picks
them up daily so is gone intermittently during those hours.  I don't
think I have ever had a problem contacting RR or had not received a call
back.

As far as ordering plans, she said the prices are on the net. (I have
not verified this) If one cannot speak with her directly but sends the
amount indicated, a set of plans will be sent out.  

Steve Glover
KR-2 N902G
AJO, Ca



-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of Quique Alvarez
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:01 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: Réf. : KR> buying KR plans


 I am try contact with Rand Robinson (5 day continius), for phone, and
fax, no  response.


Kique Alvarez.




2006/1/20, Serge VIDAL :
>
> Same story for me. So, I simply notified Jeanette by registered mail, 
> and kept copies. The drawings number doesn't change, so I believe it's

> not really important to know whether Rand Robinson keeps a good recore

> of who owns the set, as long as the set serves for only one plane!
>
> Serge Vidal
> KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
> Paris, France
>
>
>
>
>
> "Oscar Zuniga" 
>
> Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
> 20/01/2006 15:01
> Veuillez répondre à KRnet
> Remis le : 20/01/2006 15:01
>
>
>Pour :  kr...@mylist.net
>cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
>Objet : KR> buying KR plans
>
>
>
> Kique asks-
>
> >Hi Guys,  Are there  any complete  plans of the Kr2-S on "sail"?
>
> To which Kenny added,
>
> >Don't u need to buy a set so u get a serial # from Rand Robinson
>
> I bought a set of plans many years ago from a guy who didn't think 
> he'd ever build a KR.  I sent in the registration page along with my 
> personal information, and paid the extra cost for the -2S supplement 
> to "upgrade" my
> set.  Rand Robinson sent me a new registration page with my name and
info
> on
> it and the set became mine.
>
> I recently sold my set of plans and supplement to Cris. from Rome, 
> Italy. I called Rand Robinson and was told that a registered set of 
> plans can be transferred to a new owner and that they have a form for 
> doing that.  Poor
>
> Cris- although he now owns a complete set of KR2 plans with -2S 
> supplement, he still has not been able to get that registration 
> transfer form from Mrs.
> Rand despite months and months of trying via fax, mail, and phone.
I've
> tried calling several more times myself, but no joy.  The bottom line
is
> that they can be sold and registration transferred as long as more
than
> one
> KR is not built from one set of plans, but good luck getting in touch
with
>
> them to have it done.  Maybe certified mail?  Courier?  FedEx?
>
> Kique- hola y bienvenido a un grupo de "avia-locos"!
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildr...@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>
>
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