Re: KR> opinions on spars

[Wayne via KRnet]

Bob,

Those spars look to be water stained. If true, then the plywood would be 
suspect. The ply can be removed and replaced.


Good luck,

Wayne DeLisle Sr.


KR> opinions on spars.

piney at mymts.net piney at mymts.net
Wed Feb 1 07:24:00 EST 2017



HI All;
I tried to post some pictures of spars that I picked up in a parts buy and am 
wondering about thoughts on cleaning these up for eventual use.
I have been sanding some and it seems to work fairly well but very tedious.
It does not seem like mould but I could be wrong, is this something anyone has 
experience with?
These were not stored in a heated facility.
Here is a link to a video I took of them. https://youtu.be/tygecyU-nSA

I have some other videos there as well taken from my Preceptor N3 and also my 
Ultra Pup which is my current magic carpet.
Thanks
Bob R



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Re: KR> 4-into-1 exhaust system help?

[Wayne Baker via KRnet]

To finish- I have a Revmaster 2100 with a 4-1 exhaust for sale. Top overhaul, 
dual mags, oil filter/ cooler, Tennessee prop, new starter, etc. $4500 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 22, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> Chris Gardiner wrote:
> 
> > Approx,. 9 3/4 to 10 inches vertically from bottom of engine pan to bottom 
> > of collector joint.
> 
> Thanks for that and all the photos you sent Chris, and to John Bouyea as 
> well.  Those make it pretty clear that the intake path has to be reworked, 
> the carb moved, and the cowling reworked, if I put a Revmaster in place of 
> the GP system. And it's still a gamble buying the GP Tri-gear, because it's a 
> completely different layout than what's on the plane now.   It would probably 
> be easier and quicker to weld up my own exhaust system, especially if you 
> consider delaying a week on UPS to get started, only to find out neither the 
> Revmaster nor GP will fit.  I have the perfect go-by sitting on the 
> bench...just need to order some tubing, a collector, and some flanges.
> 
> I've built two exhaust systems for the Corvair, the last one out of 321 
> stainless, and complained the whole time because it wasn't easy and took 
> forever, but it's starting to look more attractive.  KR2's going to be down 
> for a while!
> 
> The two enclosed photos are a reminder to check your exhaust system. The 
> multi-crack photo is mirrored on the other side of the pipe, so the whole 
> thing was about the break in half.  The pipe is right at the flange and the 
> bend focuses a lot of heat on the steel, which was eroded down to near 
> razor-thin. This leak was inaudible.  The "big break" was obvious, but not 
> "log-truck loud", as we say in Alabama.  That photo shows why I can't get in 
> there to weld the inside...the exhaust gas would just come out V...towards 
> the carburetor.  Not good, to coin a phrase...
> 
> Mark Langford
> m...@n56ml.com
> http://www.n56ml.com
> 
> <170121_102m.jpg>
> <170121_109m.jpg>
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KR> wheel alignment

[Wayne via KRnet]

Gary,

Go to Mark Langford's site here.

http://www.n56ml.com/kgear.html

Everything you need to know about the subect.

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KR> wheel alignment

Gary gary769rv at verizon.net
Thu Jan 26 09:43:09 EST 2017



Does anyone know of archive information or wish to share regarding wheel
alignment for KR tail wheel configurations?

Wheels straight, toe in or out?  (In level attitude or all wheels
down.)  And what about camber?

How is the handling for width of wheel base vs. length from mains to tail?

According to Bingelis, which ever school of thought you use, make it the
same on both sides.  So what are the thoughts for the KR?

Regards,
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Re: KR> Archives

[Wayne via KRnet]

Nice!

Works good here.

Thanks,
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KR> Archives

Mark Langford ml at n56ml.com
Mon Jan 23 22:00:05 EST 2017



The new KRnet email archive is at
https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/.  I've had problems
accessing it from work, likely because they think it's a malware site or
something, so there may be issues still, but we're working on it.

Mark Langford



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Re: KR> 4-into-1 exhaust system help?

[Wayne Baker via KRnet]

I have a Revmaster 2100 for sale with a 4/

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 22, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> Chris Gardiner wrote:
> 
> > Approx,. 9 3/4 to 10 inches vertically from bottom of engine pan to bottom 
> > of collector joint.
> 
> Thanks for that and all the photos you sent Chris, and to John Bouyea as 
> well.  Those make it pretty clear that the intake path has to be reworked, 
> the carb moved, and the cowling reworked, if I put a Revmaster in place of 
> the GP system. And it's still a gamble buying the GP Tri-gear, because it's a 
> completely different layout than what's on the plane now.   It would probably 
> be easier and quicker to weld up my own exhaust system, especially if you 
> consider delaying a week on UPS to get started, only to find out neither the 
> Revmaster nor GP will fit.  I have the perfect go-by sitting on the 
> bench...just need to order some tubing, a collector, and some flanges.
> 
> I've built two exhaust systems for the Corvair, the last one out of 321 
> stainless, and complained the whole time because it wasn't easy and took 
> forever, but it's starting to look more attractive.  KR2's going to be down 
> for a while!
> 
> The two enclosed photos are a reminder to check your exhaust system. The 
> multi-crack photo is mirrored on the other side of the pipe, so the whole 
> thing was about the break in half.  The pipe is right at the flange and the 
> bend focuses a lot of heat on the steel, which was eroded down to near 
> razor-thin. This leak was inaudible.  The "big break" was obvious, but not 
> "log-truck loud", as we say in Alabama.  That photo shows why I can't get in 
> there to weld the inside...the exhaust gas would just come out V...towards 
> the carburetor.  Not good, to coin a phrase...
> 
> Mark Langford
> m...@n56ml.com
> http://www.n56ml.com
> 
> <170121_102m.jpg>
> <170121_109m.jpg>
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Re: KR> Jeff Scott email

[Wayne via KRnet]

 jscott.planes at gmx.com
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KR> pitot tube location?

[Wayne via KRnet]

Rick,
Here is the web page about building his pitot tube. Should give you 
everything you need.


http://www.n56ml.com/fairings.html

--
Wayne DeLisle Sr.


KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3

Rick Cochenet wiharley69 at yahoo.com
Sat Jan 7 11:52:24 EST 2017
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Next message (by thread): KR> pitot tube location?
Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
On my KR2 project i am missing the pitot tube and am not sure where they mount 
them on the KR?  No sign of any previous openings in the wings, possibly on the 
belly? and what type are builders using and who sells them?  Thanks... Rick.


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Re: KR> KR?

[Wayne via KRnet]

> I'd fly it.

Not likely. It's a Polliwagon. Short lived homebuilt. I believe it 
killed its designer.  There will be something about it in the Sport 
Aviation archives. I probably have a copy of it here somewhere. Handling 
quirks or something. Anyway, this one has been parted out. I wouldn't 
take it if you gave it to me.


--
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KR> KR?

bjoenunley bjoenunley at gmail.com
Sat Dec 24 00:29:41 EST 2016

Joe Nunley CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor Baker Florida

 Original message 
From: svd via KRnet 
Date: 12/23/2016  10:42 PM  (GMT-06:00)
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Cc: svd 
Subject: KR> KR?

Hey - what the story on this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/KR2S-Aircraft-KR-2S-/132043335727 
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/KR2S-Aircraft-KR-2S-/132043335727>



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KR> Dean Cooper's KR2S

[Wayne]

Does anyone what happened to Dean Cooper or his KR2S.
Just curious.
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wdelislesr at carolina dot rr dot com

KR> Well that didn't quite go to plan.

[Wayne]

WOW!  Just,,, WOW!
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KR> PICTURES

[Wayne]

Bill,

I get new posts by going to 2016 Archives by date with my browser.

Here is the link:
http://list.krnet.org/mailman/private/krnet_list.krnet.org/2016/date.html

This is what I see:

-- next part --
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Name: canopy struts.jpg
Type: image/jpeg
Size: 94021 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: 
<http://list.krnet.org/mailman/private/krnet_list.krnet.org/attachments/20161016/a440d928/attachment.jpg>


If you don't see this at the bottom of the posts, then something is 
removing it, possibly a spam filter at your e-mail server.
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wdelislesr at carolina dot rr dot com

> KR> PICTURES
>
> ol' weirdo wmiweir at gmail.com
> Mon Oct 17 16:45:41 EDT 2016

> Obviously I don't understand the system. A message comes through from Joe
> Horton and then the info that the non-text part has been scrubbed and then
> everyone seems to have seen the picture. How do I get into the game?
>
> Billweir

KR> 1 week

[Wayne]

That's nice Lee, what is it?
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> KR> 1 week
>
> Lee Van Dyke lee at vandyke2.com
> Sat Oct 8 14:40:20 EDT 2016

KR> Foreign KR fun.

[Wayne]

Colin,

I would say the Russian's were suitably impressed. (-:

Good show!
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> colin hales colinhales at hotmail.com
> Fri Oct 7 12:08:23 EDT 2016
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbUEH1dPXuY
>
>
> Colin.

KR> 2016 Gathering photos

[Wayne]

Congratulations on your awards Mark! Well deserved.
Thanks for the great photos, added the page to my gathering folder.
One small correction,  the photo 160918_625.jpg, labeled "Joe Weber and 
Wayne DeLisle." I wish that was me, but, sadly, I couldn't make it.
-- 
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> Mark Langford ml at n56ml.com
> Thu Sep 22 17:37:17 EDT 2016

> I finished my 2016 KR Gathering website last night, and it's at
>   http://www.krnet.org/mvn2016/ . I sifted through about 700 pictures to
> get it down to only 75 or so.  Let me know if there are any mistakes.
> This might be the first time I show up in any of the pictures!

KR> Subaru carb plenum

[Wayne]

Max,

Maybe this is what your looking for.

http://www.kr2-egb.com.ar/index.htm

Wayne DeLisle Sr.
oldmoparguy at carolina dot rr dot com


> KR> Subaru carb plenum
>
> Max Power maxpowrrr at gmail.com
> Mon Aug 22 10:08:52 EDT 2016

> I know I saw a fibreglass plenum to relocate  the carb on a Subaru engine
> somewhere in the KR world, and after I realized mine needs to be
> re-engineered I searched for hours trying to find that page again, can
> somebody please point me in the right direction? Don't wanna trailer it to
> Mt. Vernon... Thanks

KR> O2 bung for mixture meter

[Wayne]

The thread on the O2 sensor is 18mm, the same as a 18mm sparkplug.
-- 
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oldmoparguy at carolina dot rr dot com

> KR> O2 bung for mixture meter
>
> Mark Langford ml at n56ml.com
> Mon Aug 1 20:32:54 EDT 2016
> Previous message (by thread): KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter
> Next message (by thread): KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter
> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> I should have mentioned that when this bung is welded in place, it would
> be good to have a sensor screwed into it to minimize distortion of the
> threads...with anti-seize between the two.  Yes, it will smoke, but it
> beats buying an 18 x 1.5mm tap to fix it later...
>
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> http://www.n56ml.com

KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter

[Wayne]

There is a way to protect the element on an O2 sensor. When you make the 
bung, create a small hood to protect the element. Something like the 
bill of a ball cap. The hood is positioned on the upstream side of the 
exhaust flow. Make it about 40% of a circle and just long enough to 
cover the element. The sensor will read the exhaust flow just file and 
the combustion residue will not collect on the element. The O2 sensor 
will last many times longer with this small mod. Someone discovered this 
when running 60lbs. boost with 110 octane race gas.

Interestingly, Chrysler cast this little shield in the exhaust manifolds 
of the later model I4 8V motors.

Wayne DeLisle Sr.
oldmoparguy at carolina dot rr dot com

-- > KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter
>
> Mark Langford ml at n56ml.com
> Sun Jul 31 14:56:35 EDT 2016
>
> Wide band units and there sensors are very expensive, as was mentioned,
> and simply not needed for our application.  I have almost 1400 hours
> flying behind one that looks just like this (apparently a Cyberdyne
> knockoff, or perhaps just "rebranded"), and I can't imagine what other
> information I would need from an air/fuel meter.  Bosch part number is
> 11027.  More on this is at http://www.n56ml.com/corvair/o2meter/ .
> 100LL eats these things every hundred hours or so, so that's another
> reason to go cheap...
>
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> http://www.n56ml.com

KR> 2nd try. Couldn't find any Corvair heads at Wal-Mart so I am CNC machining my own. What do you think?

[Wayne]

Mike,
We have to create an account in google and sign-in to see it.
I don't do google

Wayne DeLisle Sr.

> KR> 2nd try. Couldn't find any Corvair heads at Wal-Mart so I am CNC 
> machining my own.
> What do you think?
>
> Mike Arnold marnold771 at gmail.com
> Thu Jul 14 13:31:13 EDT 2016

KR> Ak. KR'S needing to come down

[Wayne]

This look like a good deal. Wish I could do it myself.

Here is the link:
http://alaskaslist.com/1/posts/10_Transportation/59_Aircraft/446875_Rand_Robinson_KR2_Kit_Plane.html
-- 
Wayne DeLisle Sr.>
>
> Tim Wingerter twingerter at gci.net
> Thu Jun 30 10:55:23 EDT 2016
> Previous message (by thread): KR> Ak. KR'S needing to come down
> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> I have a KR2 kit, partially assembled in Fairbanks.  Asking $1,200.  It can 
> be viewed on Alaska List.  ThanksTim Wingerter, 907-479-6940, 
> twingerter at gci.net

KR> Regressive upgrades... or

[Wayne]

> Or When is an upgrade not really an upgrade?

No good deed goes unpunished.
I'm beginning to wonder about the mechanical reliably of the Pmags.
They should not be breaking like that.

-- 
Wayne DeLisle Sr.

KR> 2016 KR Gathering Web Search

[Wayne]

I don't understand the problem.

I entered "2016+KR+Gathering" search string in www.dogpile.com
I got several pages of false hits, and this, about 6 entries down from 
the top of the page,

"The 2016 KR GATHERING Coming this Fall! - Bouyea.Net
www.bouyea.net/KRGathering/web_pages
The 2016 KR GATHERING Coming this Fall! KRGathering 2016 - September 16 
& 17, 2016 Mount Vernon, IL (KMVN) Only days until the 2016 KR GATHERING!"

This is the actual web page,

  http://www.bouyea.net/KRGathering/index.html

The same search gave the same results with yahoo.

google failed to find the web site, it found at least 8 old gathering 
web sites, including the one for 2015, but could not find the new site.
I've seen the same thing with other searches.  This is why I no longer 
use google.

YMMV
-- 
Wayne DeLisle Sr.

KR> 2016 KR Gathering Web Site Update

[Wayne]

Has anyone considered starting a page on Wikipedia?
I would think such a page would be a real asset to krnet.

If anyone is interested, I will open a page and we can start building 
the data.

Anyone?
-- 
Wayne DeLisle Sr.

KR> 2016 KR Gathering Web Site Update

[Wayne]

Here you go Paul.

http://bouyea.net/KRGathering/index.html

I used dogpile search. I don't use google anymore.

Wayne DeLisle Sr.

> KR> 2016 KR Gathering Web Site Update
>
> Paul Visk ppaulvsk at aol.com
> Sat Apr 23 13:54:39 EDT 2016
> Previous message (by thread): KR> 2016 KR Gathering Web Site Update
> Next message (by thread): KR> New video on YouTube
> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> John or anyone else.  Do you know how to get "2016 KR Gathering" to show up 
> in a Google search? What comes up is the 2015 gathering home page. This would 
> make it alot easier for going after sponsors.
> Paul Visk  Belleville Il   618 406 4705

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KR> 1975 Sport Aviation Magazine

[Wayne]

Chris,

There is no need. Here is a link to all KR articles in
Sport Aviation Magazine.

http://aerofoilengineering.com/KR/sportaviation/kr_SA.htm
-- 
Wayne DeLisle Sr.


> KR> 1975 Sport Aviation Magazine
>
> Chris Prata chrisprata at live.com
> Sat Apr 2 22:29:42 EDT 2016
> Previous message (by thread): KR> 1975 Sport Aviation Magazine
> Next message (by thread): KR> SNF
> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> can you scan it and share it like I did with a couple key old KR articles?
>
>> Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 11:07:54 -0400
>> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
>> Subject: KR> 1975 Sport Aviation Magazine
>> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
>> CC: iflyexp at gmail.com
>>
>> I have a 1975 Sport Aviation Magazine with NI00MW on the cover. This is the 
>> Wicks Organ Company KR2 piloted by George Gibbons.
>> Looks mint to me. If anyone would be interested in making an offer for it 
>> email me off list and I'll send you a few pics.
>> Bob
>> iflyexp at gmail.com
>>

KR> Anyone looking for 2" pink foam

[Wayne]

Paul,

Did you hijack that load?  LOL
-- 
Wayne DeLisle Sr.

KR> Preparing for KR2S build - again

[Wayne]

Gary,

the KR2S already has an extra 2" added in the cowl area. No need to add 
more.
-- 
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> Gary Wold pilotgary at charter.net
> Thu Feb 11 14:30:24 EST 2016

> Thanks, Larry.  Add 2" forward of the spar with a Corvair engine?  I've not
> seen anything about extending forward until now.

KR> saturday flight

[Wayne]

Dang Mark!  That's a great airport.  Our airport is much more 
challenging, take a look: http://www.wilgroveairport.net/contact.htm
2700' of usable runway. Hi-tension power lines on the south end and 60'+ 
trees on the sides and north end. This is where I learned to fly.
-- 
Wayne DeLisle Sr.

KR> Fiberglass layers under WAF's

[Wayne]

Stefan,

I don't see the point of this.  The WAF/spar joint is fine the way Ken 
designed it.

Wayne DeLisle Sr.

> KR> Fiberglass layers under WAF's
>
> S s_sbal at hotmail.com
> Mon Feb 8 16:03:16 EST 2016

>
> I found an interesting publications regarding easy reinforcement of wood 
> boards used in bolted joints:
> http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplrp/fplrp562.pdf
> http://timber.ce.wsu.edu/Resources/papers/P12.pdf
> This
>  method seems really easy to apply in the KR WAF's bolted joints - just
> add 2 layers of 6 oz/yd? of BID fiberglass cloth on the spars beneath
> the WAF's and you get much higher bearing strength of the bolted joints,
>  for a very slight increase of the weight... It shall also help to fix
> issues with unsatisfactory drilling of one or two WAF bolt holes in the
> spar flanges.
>
> Stefan
> Ottawa, ON, Canada
> s_sbal 'at' hotmail.com

KR> Random thoughts about techknowlegy in an airplane

[Wayne]

Information overload can kill you. My first few hours of flying lessons 
were something like that.  Fly first, other stuff as time permits.
-- 
Wayne DeLisle Sr.

KR> VW engines

[Wayne]

Mike,

There are a couple of problems with the type 4.
The first is cost, parts are up to twice as expensive as for the type 1.
The 2nd. is weight, the installed weight will be about 245lbs.
For the weight and cost, you can have a Corvair engine.  Last year I 
gave away a good type 4 2L engine No one would buy it.
-- 
Wayne DeLisle Sr.

> KR> VW engines
>
> laser147 at juno.com laser147 at juno.com
> Fri Jan 22 23:30:12 EST 2016

> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> Would somebody take the time to explain why the Type IV engine is not the
> engine you usually see in homebuilts.  Why is the Type 2 favored?
>
> Mike
> KSEE
>

KR> Supplier of aircraft wood

[Wayne]

S s_sbal,

A quick internet search found this;

http://www.wood-source.com/lumber-and-wood-products/rough-and-dressed-lumber/douglas-fir/douglas-fir-select/

Hours of Operation:
Weekdays 7:30am - 5pm
Saturday 8am - 12 Noon
6178 Mitch Owens Rd,
Manotick, Ontario, Canada
K4M 1B2

Tel: 613.822.6800
Toll Free: 855.822.6800
Fax: 613.822.6803
Email: info at wood-source.com

Wayne DeLisle Sr.


> KR> Supplier of aircraft wood
>
> S s_sbal at hotmail.com
> Fri Jan 15 20:24:47 EST 2016
> Previous message (by thread): KR> Supplier of aircraft wood

> I understand well now the situation with the aircraft wood suppliers. I may 
> try first to get decent Douglas Fir select lumber that I will test myself. If 
> I fail to get what I expect, I will order from Wicks or Aircraft Spruce 
> Canada.
> Thanks to all !
>
>> There really isn't any other aircraft quality wood sources here in Canada 
>> these days as wood is less popular than it once was.
>> I used Aircraft Spruce who has a CDN  store at Brantford airport.
>
>   

KR> Tail Addition

[Wayne]

Thanks Mark,

Nothing beats first hand experience.

Wayne DeLisle Sr.

>
>> What is the height in inches of the tail post for the KR2S? My 2S
>> supplement for some reason doesn't give a measurement for it. I
>> finally found my original KR2 plans package and the tail post is
>> shown as 40" .
>
> Well, the drawing doesn't actually have a scale written on it, but a
> quick measuring job shows that the two 14" dimensions are 7" long, so
> it's a quarter scale.  The tailpost measures 10.5" so it's 42" long.  I
> added something like 4" to it on N56ML and added another two above it in
> the form of a rudder horn, and the slipping capability is phenomenal.
>
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> http://www.n56ml.com

KR> Tail Addition

[Wayne]

Mark,

What is the height in inches of the tail post for the KR2S?
My 2S supplement for some reason doesn't give a measurement for it. I 
finally found my original KR2 plans package and the tail post is shown 
as 40" .

Wayne DeLisle Sr.

> KR> Tail Addition
>
> "Steve" wrote:
>
>  > Mark , how much extra width would you recommend?
>
> The vertical stabilizer and rudder on N891JF (a KR2), could stand some
> lengthening as well, but I'm not sure I'll do that, because it's good to
> have a stock-built KR2 so I can appreciate the KR2S that much more!
>
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> http://www.n56ml.com

KR> VW + Prop

[Wayne]

Hello pierre!

Here is the premier Type-4 engine specialist.

http://type4store.com

Very pricy, but they have it all.

I gave away a nice 2L type-4 because it was to expensive to make it into 
a flight motor. The Raby people do have what you need though and they 
have experience with flight motors. Very nice folks.

Good Luck,

Wayne DeLisle Sr.

-

> KR> VW + Prop
>
> PIERRE pierre at d-toxdebt.co.za
> Wed Dec 23 03:36:28 EST 2015
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> It feels as if I've hit a brick wall. I had a 48(pitch) X 52 prop on my KR2S
> (haven't flown yet). The max revs I got was 2,760rpm static.
> --

KR> [CorvAircraft] Judson Supercharger?

[Wayne]

Wow!  Blast from the past.  It's a vane type air pump. Maybe 4-5 psi 
boost. From the late 50's to mid 60's. Designed and marketed for small 4 
cylinder European cars in the 1.5L to 2.5L engines. I never saw one for 
Corvairs.

Here is some neat history..

http://ofdc.forumactif.org/t86-the-judson-supercharger-history-and-technics

A piece of my "good old days"
-- 
Wayne DeLisle Sr.

> [CorvAircraft] Judson Supercharger?
>
> Patrick Hoyt pwhoyt at yahoo.com
> Thu Nov 5 08:37:19 EST 2015

> What the heck is a Judson Supercharger?
>
> Saw one pop up on Craigslist:
> http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/pts/5292784772.html
> Anybody ever worked with anything like that on a flight Corvair...?
> Patrick HoytN63PZ - FlyingNX### - Building
>

KR> never know what you will find at Craigslist

[Wayne]

I believe that the 0-200 motor is a converted APU.
I wonder if it could be updated with modern cylinders?

Jeff Scott, what do you think?

Woops  It looks like it is stored outside. If so, it's junk...

Wayne DeLisle Sr.

> KR> never know what you will find at Craigslist
>
> CraigW craig at kr2seafury.com
> Sat Oct 31 22:47:18 EDT 2015
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> KR2 for sale
>
> http://morgantown.craigslist.org/for/5284648597.html
>

KR> Turbocharger

[Wayne]

Stephen,

Dan Diel converted his VW powered KR2, N4DD to turbo charging. He 
documented the process over several issues in the KR Newsletter. It is a 
good read. I had copied the info myself, but lost the file in a system 
crash.

Wayne DeLisle Sr.


> KR> Turbocharger
>
> Teate, Stephen STeate at compositecooling.com
> Wed Oct 7 11:14:44 EDT 2015
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> "Is it worth the money?"

-- 

KR> Fiberglass/Carbon Fiber combo

[Wayne]

Trevor and other newbys,  Everything you ever need or want to know can 
be found at one web site.

-- http://www.n56ml.com

Mark Langford's KR2-S has carbon fiber wings! Go there and read. It's 
all there. The site is well written with lots of pics. You can't go wrong.

Wayne DeLisle Sr.

> KR> Fiberglass/Carbon Fiber combo
>
> T. W. Norman Twnorman at msn.com
> Fri Sep 25 21:32:57 EDT 2015
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>
> Good evening,
>
>
>
> I managed to get started on a good chunk of smaller projects to finish the
> larger picture.
>
>
>
> But I do have one question, has anyone combined fiberglass with carbon fiber
> in their projects? For example the instrument panel, leading edge and so on.
>
>
>
>
> I have completed a carbon-fiber front and a fiberglass back to my new
> instrument panel.I'm interested in seeing how it turns out.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Trevor
>

KR> Filling low spots

[Wayne]

Here is the web site for 3M.

  http://3mcollision.com/products/fillers-and-glaze

This is available in the U.S. at most autoparts stores and auto paint 
suppliers.

Amazon has it as well as another brand product.

Wayne

> KR> Filling low spots
>
> stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl
> Sat Aug 15 06:36:10 EDT 2015
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> Hi mark,
> We did the wings and the lower part of the fuselage with micro. In a few 
> weeks we will start to finish everything. Do you have a brand name of the 
> icing, google come up with 3M. Is that the lightweight stuf?
> Monday we will do a weight and balance check To calculate the engine 
> position. En start with the engine mount. So my dad will start sending, I do 
> de mount.
> Stef
-- 
Wayne DeLisle Sr.

KR> Bulkhead fuel fittings

[Wayne]

Paul,

You might consider running the fuel lines outside like ML did.

Picture here:http://www.n56ml.com/corvair/01032023.jpg
-- 
Wayne DeLisle Sr.

> KR> Bulkhead fuel fittings
>
> ppaulvsk ppaulvsk at aol.com
> Fri Aug 7 12:04:40 EDT 2015
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> I'm  looking for a suggestion on how to put a bulkhead fitting for my fuel 
> line though my center spar. All the ones in the book are for thin metal 
> bulkheads. Not two inch wood. I   don't  want to just RTV a piece  of tubing 
> in.
>
> Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705

KR> "Bob Hoover's Blog"

[Wayne]

Here is the link to "Bob Hoover's Blog"

http://bobhooversblog.blogspot.nl/2009_02_06_archive.html

Enjoy.
-- 
Wayne DeLisle Sr.

KR> Mouldless Composite Sandwich 3rd ed

[Wayne]

Gary,

Amazon has the book for $22.95

http://www.amazon.com/Moldless-Composite-Sandwich-Aircraft-Construction/dp/B000BUJP5A/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8=1-1=1433792655

-- 
Wayne DeLisle Sr.

> KR> AS number for Mouldless Composite Sandwich 3rd ed
>
> Gary Ainsworth garyains at kwic.com
> Mon Jun 8 11:30:53 EDT 2015
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> Next message (by thread): KR> AS number for Mouldless Composite Sandwich 3rd 
> ed
> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> What is the Aircraft Spruce number for this book ? (or a dimensioned drawing
> of the work platform)
> Thanks
> Gary - Canada  garyains "at" kwic.com

KR> Mold and part fabrication to make a spinner

[Wayne]

Jeff,

You have created the Rolls-Royce of spinners. It's beautiful and matches 
your prop. Have you looked at Mark L.'s spinner page?

> KR> Mold and part fabrication to make a spinner Jeff Scott
> jscott.planes at gmx.com Mon Apr 13 11:11:20 EDT 2015
>
> Previous message: KR> Fwd: I had a few visitors this weekend Next
> message: KR> Mold and part fabrication to make a spinner Messages
> sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I thought the
> work I've done over the last couple of weeks might be of interest to
> some of you.  5 weeks ago I had yet another aluminum spinner crack.
> This one had lasted several hundred hours, but it seems that the
> stresses left from spin forming and from me making such large cuts
> around the blades on my prop, they are all destined to eventually
> fail.  I really liked this particular spinner in that it turned true,
> so decided rather than spend $150 for another aluminum dome, I
> thought I would pull a mold and make an exact replica of my spinner.
> By the time I was done buying supplies and tooling to making the
> mold, I had spent many times over the cost of a new spinner dome, but
> the new one shouldn't fail, and if it does, I have the mold to
> fabricate another.  Now that the mold is completed, I can produce
> additional spinners for myself for a relatively low cost.
>
> I published this page to demonstrate the process, not to sell
> spinners as I don't have the time to go into production (and you
> wouldn't want to pay my labor rate!).
>
> 
>
> -Jeff Scott

KR> About how much is a 'boat' stage project worth

[Wayne]

Dave,

Those KR 1-2 parts have been for sale for several years. I considered it 
at one time. There are no wing skins. Just one completed wing and one 
partial. It's a day trip from me and was going to take a look, but 
decided to pass on it. Everything looks pretty rough.  YMMV
-- 
Wayne DeLisle Sr.

KR> Radios

[Wayne]

>>>  Are com radios required to have a 8130 for experimental aircraft
>>++
>>  I only found one site that sold them but I'm sure there are
>> others.
>> http://www.acespilotshop.com/pilot-supplies/handheld/jhp-520.htmAircraft
>>Larry Flesner
> ==
>
> I found that site with a search but it doesn't come up when you hit
> the link.  Not sure what their problem is.  If you go with any type
> handheld, make sure is can be plugged to external power and has jacks
> to accept a portable intercom.  My two place portable intercom plugs
> into the top of the radio and, with extension cords, is mounted
> behind the seat so headset cords don't tangle all over my lap.
>
> Try this site. $250
>
> Larry Flesner
>
--
http://www.acespilotshop.com/pilot-supplies/handheld/jhp-520.htmAircraft

Larry, I found this..

Thank you for visiting
Ace's Pilot Shop.
Due to an extended family illness,
  Ace's Pilot Shop is temporarily closed.
  We hope to re-open our pilot shop soon.


-- 
Wayne DeLisle Sr.

KR> Throttle cables

[Wayne]

> KR> Throttle cables
> Flesner flesner at frontier.com
> Tue Mar 3 21:06:30 EST 2015
>
> You might want to check to see if the A working on your airplanes
> actually has a license.  With the proper clamp, properly installed,
> that should never happen.
>
> Larry Flesner

No one was ever blamed, but we did have a new A on the field. In my 
opinion, he was responsible. I never understood why that clamp was 
loose. I was the one who found the problem, I went and opened the cowl 
to see what was wrong. I was working at the time as ground manager for a 
3 aircraft banner towing operation.  This was in 1999. 9/11/01 put us 
and several other operators out of business. Shortly thereafter, I was 
grounded with health issues and haven't flown since.

That situation has stuck in my mind. I have looked closely at a number 
of Experimental aircraft since and without exception, they have been 
better engineered then a certified commercial aircraft.

Wayne DeLisle Sr.

KR> Throttle cables

[Wayne]

Back in the day when I was flying club rentals, we had well used 
C-140's. One day, on final at ~1800rpm, I pull the throttle and nothing, 
still 1800, sawed the throttle back and forth some and it went to idle. 
WTH! A check showed the throttle cable was loose in the clamp at the 
carb. What surprised me was the cable. It was little more then a lawn 
mower cable. Very primitive. A week later a new guy with his really nice 
C-140 had a similar issue at about 2100. Nor realizing the problem, he 
tried to go around and ended up hanging nose down in the tops of 50' 
trees. No injuries  but the plane was a write off.
-- 
Wayne DeLisle Sr.

KR> newsletters - 215-266 now available

[Wayne]

Bob,

I experienced a similar problem on nl3.pdf . I fixed the problem by 
clearing my browser cache and rebooting my pc. What browser are you 
using? I'm using Opera 12, but have others available if needed. I'm 
currently playing with waterfox, a 64 bit version of firefox. I think 
you find the error msg. is misleading, it's probably a cache issue.

Good luck,

Wayne


> BOB (ROBERT) boblal at telus.net
> Thu Nov 6 03:37:30 EST 2014
>
> Previous message: KR> newsletters - 215-266 now available
> Next message: KR> WTB: KR-2S plans
> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> I WAS ABLE TO DOWNLOAD NEWSLETTERS #1 TO#167 WITH NO PROBLEM
> WHE I DID 168 TO 214 IT STOPPED AT6.81MB AND SAID THAT FILE WAS DAMAGED
> 215 TO 266 STOPPED AT 2.62 MB SAME PROLEM
> IS THERE A SOLUTION
> THANKS BOB   SURREY CANADA
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Langford via KRnet" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 7:21 AM
> Subject: KR> newsletters - 215-266 now available
>
>
>> See http://www.krnet.org/newsletter/ .  Numbers 215-266 are now available.

KR> N891JF update

[Wayne]

> KR> N891JF update
> Mark Langford ml at n56ml.com
> Sun Nov 2 22:52:56 EST 2014

>   The  Cessna drivers were awe-struck...
> --
> Mark Langford

I think that says it all..

Wayne

KR> nvaero

[Wayne]

KR> nvaero
Kyle Gonterwitz kgonterwitz at gmail.com
Thu Oct 30 15:47:25 EDT 2014

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I don't know if anyone has noticed, but the nvaero site is down, and the
store is closed.

I exchanged some emails with Steve about my order offline (from this forum)
but have not resolved the order yet or responded to my last couple of
emails.  Have any of you all that are Steve's friends on KRnet heard from
him of late, or the fate of NVaero and potential future KR2 builders?

-- 
Kyle Gonterwitz

Kyle,
Here is Steve's post from Oct. 12
Looks like he has shut down Nvaero

Wayne

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> Steve G. n925sg at gmail.com
> Sun Oct 12 11:18:24 EDT 2014
>
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> I told him the refund was no problem. Interestingly, he said he had kr2 plans 
> so I recently told him
> he probably just needed the supplement. Now he asks if someone would be so 
> kind as to scan and provide
 > the 2S drawings for "review" he will be all set.
>
> It is in fact my goal to sell nothing so I can freely support all KR builders 
> and provide them with
> all our technical info.  Then you all can build all our components.  I'm done 
> with it. I quit.
> Current orders will be filled then doors are closed. Good luck!
>
> Steve Glover
>

KR> Something to think about

[Wayne]

While wandering about on the internet, I stumbled on this.

YMMV

Wayne

From:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-1_Skyraider

Shortly after Heinemann began design of the XBT2D-1, a study was issued 
that showed for every 100 lb (45 kg) of weight reduction the takeoff run 
was decreased by 8 ft (2.4 m), the combat radius increased by 22 mi (35 
km) and the rate-of-climb increased by 18 ft/min (0.091 m/s). Heinemann 
immediately had his design engineers begin a program for finding 
weight-saving on the XBT2D-1 design, no matter how small. Simplifying 
the fuel system resulted in a reduction of 270 lb (120 kg); 200 lb (91 
kg) by eliminating an internal bomb bay and hanging the bombs, drop 
tanks and rockets from the wings or fuselage; 70 lb (32 kg) by using a 
fuselage dive brake; and 100 lb by using an older tailwheel design. In 
the end, Heinemann and his design engineers found over 1,800 lb (820 kg) 
of weight savings on the original XBT2D-1 design.

KR> Annivery Flight

[Wayne]

> KR> Annivery Flight
> Flesner flesner at frontier.com
> Sun Sep 28 18:50:46 EDT 2014
>
> Previous message: KR> Annivery Flight
> Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
> At 05:09 PM 9/28/2014, you wrote:
>>September 28, 1984 to September 28; 2014, thirty years of flying my
>>KR2 N39426.
> +++
>
> Congratulations   Sure would be nice if someone set up a web site
> that we could upload a photo of all the flying KR's out there that we
> never hear about and link it to the KRnet site.  I'm guessing there
> are many, many hundreds that the KR community has never seen or heard
> about. Anybody??

 > Larry Flesner

But we do,Larry,

http://www.krnet.org/

There are many pictures there, including one of N211LF.

Wayne

KR> Sanding Blocks

[Wayne Tokarz via KRnet]

I also build R/C planes and the hobby shops sell sandpaper on the roll for 
about 5 -7$ It has a sticky back and you can stick it to almost anything, angle 
iron/aluminum, edge of 2 X 4, etc. worked great for me.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of ppaulvsk at 
aol.com via KRnet
Sent: May-16-14 8:07 AM
To: via KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Sanding Blocks

That's a good idea and its cheaper than the floor sander paper. 

Paul Visk
Bellev

Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!

- Reply message -
From: "via KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Fri, May 16, 2014 7:21 am
Subject: KR> Sanding Blocks
To: "Adam Tippin" , "KRnet" 

Another suggestion that I used is the stuff they sell to keep you from slipping 
- comes rough and has a sticky back. 
Paul N7970K
- Original Message -

From: "Adam Tippin via KRnet" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2014 10:38:47 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Sanding Blocks 

Little late but just found your email in spam folder. 
Rap the sand paper around three sides and staple the two sides that you don't 
intend to use. 
On Apr 26, 2014 7:01 PM,  wrote: 

> 
> Any suggestions on sanding blocks. I made a 4ft board for my 
> horizontal stabilizer out of a straight 2x4. I'm having problems 
> keeping the sandpaper on
>  the board. I used contact cement and that's not seem to hold and when 
> the edges  peal up it digs into the foam. I'm at the start of a lot of 
> sanding and I figure  there's a LOT of experience out there with 
> sanding.  I could definitely use  some suggestions.
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Paul  Visk 
> Belleville Il. 
> 618-406-4705 
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KR> the value of a punchlist

[Wayne Tokarz via KRnet]

As my kids would say,(text?), ROFLMAO,   I too have  a Piet Oscar, love it,
one of my favorites, er next to the KR that is. I have started a similar
list for my KR build as well as my BD-5 build. Great idea all around.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark Langford
via KRnet
Sent: May-14-14 3:13 PM
To: Oscar Zuniga; KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> the value of a punchlist

OZ wrote:

>> I keep a similar list going on my Piet and other projects.  However, 
>> on the Piet I also have a column on the side where I can indicate 
>> that an item on the list is essential to safety of flight.  You would 
>> be surprised how many items are not, and at some point when you run 
>> down that list you'll realize "there's nothing really keeping me from 
>> flying the plane".<<

I do give it that test every night, and the biggie for me is the flap
installation.  I just got the proper bolts and pins to install it last
night, and won't get the last key part, a new brush pack for the motor,
until Thursday.  Like Larry, landing it without some kind of deployable drag
makes me very uncomfortable on my short and narrow runway.  Of course I
should probably just learn to land slower...


Warning:  This response may contain information that is unsuitable for
overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humor, or
irrational beliefs.  The above was intended to be helpful, rather than
hurtful. Any perceived insults, innuendo, insinuations, belittlement,
offended sensibilities, or questioning of manhood, were purely
unintentional. Any impression that I may think you're dumber than dirt is in
your head, not mine...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com
 


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KR> min hp

[Wayne Tokarz]

More importantly, it's a Hirth put it in a snowmobile or something,
don't fly behind.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert Boyd
Sent: April-07-14 5:26 AM
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Subject: KR> min hp

Hey guys, what is the minimum horse power for the standard KR2S?
Would a 55hp Hirth work ok?
Bob in Frazeysburg Oh
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KR> Two up?

[Wayne]

Mark,
If you look closely, that cutout is below the canopy but in the canopy 
frame. It's covered with a piece of plex that is mounted with a piece of 
piano hinge. Apparently, he could unlatch it and just push it out with 
his elbow.

Here is a better view:http://www.qam.com.au/aircraft/kr-2/VH-XXS-10.htm

Here is the archive:www.qam.com.au/aircraft/kr-2/VH-XXS.htm

Quite interesting.

Wayne (oldmoparguy)


> KR> Two up?
> Mark Langford ml at n56ml.com
> Fri Apr 11 11:54:15 EDT 2014
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> Wayne wrote:
>
>>Checkout this link.  http://www.qam.com.au/aircraft/kr-2/VH-XXS-03.htm
>
> The interesting thing about that photo is that he's cleared out the area
> under the canopy  between canopy and top longeron and apparently put some
> Plexiglas in the hole.  I'm guessing that was so he had better visibility of
> the side of the runway when landing.  That's one of the worst things about
> the original KR2 bubble...limited visibility of that area forward and to the
> left, just in front of and left of the wing.  A good view of that area is
> crucial for landing.  It provides altitude feedback, as well as "am I even
> on the runway" for three-point landings in a taildragger.  I'd like to know
> more about how he did that.  The Dragonfly or KR2S canopy provides a lot
> better visibility, but they are a lot more expensive also.
>
>  I don't think I made that photo.  I'm thinking John Martindale or one of
> the other Aussies sent it to me when I was looking for air-to-air shots for
> KRnet.  I don't mind my name being stuck on it, but whoever really took the
> photo should get credit for it.
>
> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> ML at N56ML.com
> www.N56ML.com

KR> Two up?

[Wayne]

Checkout this link.

http://www.qam.com.au/aircraft/kr-2/VH-XXS-03.htm

Would love to have known Graham Schott...

Wayne (oldmoparguy)


> KR> Two up?
> pk.smith at bigpond.net.au pk.smith at bigpond.net.au
> Thu Apr 10 21:20:27 EDT 2014
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> Had a friend with a standard KR who built an 8" deep cushions for his wife.
 > The cushion was hollowed out in back and could be filled with clothing.
 > They went everywhere in that little bird. Google "VH-XXS" stood for 
eXtra eXtra small :-).
> Paul, Brisbane, Australia.

KR> KR-Super2

[Wayne]

"The KR-Super2 is a Corvair powered, all composite, two seat 
experimental aircraft modeled after the Rand Robinson KR2S."

http://krsuper2.com/

Looks like new engineering of a proven design...

Wayne (oldmoparguy)


> KR> KR-Super2
> Marty Martin martygmartin at gmail.com
> Mon Mar 24 11:17:33 EDT 2014
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> If the super is all composition and very little wood.  Which is lighter.
>  And is it Fiber Glass or Carbon Fiber?
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Adam Tippin  wrote:
>
>> KR Super is all composition. Little to no wood used.
>> On Mar 24, 2014 2:57 AM, "Neville Sutton"  wrote:
>>
>> > Whats he difference between KR2s and the KRSuper2
>> >

KR> Different materials

[Wayne Tokarz]

WOW, some serious mileage on the topic! I have de-bonded and re-bonded the
wing skins on a Grumman Cheetah,  very cool system very similar to hot melt
glue, Aluminum bonding is not black magic, and can be easily learned like
any other process, ( wet lay-up on foam?:)LOL ), it all comes down to
comfort level. I think it is a bad idea for anyone with low
experience/confidence/background, to be re-inventing the wheel. I think it
is great to experiment as many of us do with this great sport, but it should
always be undertaken with a modicum of knowledge of what we are attempting
to do. As said in one of my past posts, I once ran across a stock KR2 that
was all wood, the old guy did an amazing job and it looked perfectly
functional. I will note that the wings were perceived as being heavier than
others I had run across. I think in a situation like this it is best to pick
a design one is comfortable with and go for it. 
  Gary Morgan sure has some neat little planes, did he not once own a KR and
was it not a feature photo on the group site? Red Trim?  Plywood over foam
will yield an identical bond to fiberglass over foam, your peel point will
be the underlying foam in both cases. I would imagine the same would hold
true for most any substrate over foam, the foam itself is the weakest link
and more than adequate for the application as proven over years of KR flying
and abuse.

Just mho

Wayne





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KR> Cockpit EFB's

[Wayne Tokarz]

Just downloaded Fltplan during lunch break. H seems pretty good. Lots of
info, easy to load and seams fairly user friendly, I will be playing with it
over the next couple days and see how it goes.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of
laser147 at juno.com
Sent: February-24-14 11:35 AM
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Subject: KR> Cockpit EFB's

In January Fltplan.com released a new and free (supported by ads) flight
planning, navigation & aeronautical info app for IOS that, from current
raves on AOPA's "Flight Bag" forum, already rivals 

KR> iPad vs. Android tablet for aviation

[Wayne Tokarz]

One thing I did notice is that not all software has Canadian maps eh. A
small problem for those of us on this side of the border. Anyone have a
recommendation on which is best for use in Canada? ADSB is of no use either
as we don't have that system here in Canada. So far I only notice Fore
Flight mentioning Canadian content.

Wayne

KR> New wing skin idea or not so new....

[Wayne Tokarz]

Hi Gary, Many years ago a friend of mine acquired,(in a trade), a "stock" KR
with trike gear and wood wings and turtle decks, even the canopy frame was
wood. As I recall the builder, (completely unknown to me), used about a
3/32" or 3mm birch plywood, over wood ribs, bulkheads, stringers, etc. He
was quite the craftsman. I lost track of it and even tried to find it again
years later, but never did. I recall we did a weight and balance on it and
I'm pretty sure it was fairly good for weight. No reason why it would not
work and be perfectly fine. Lots of work to get all the ribs just right.

Wayne

After looking in the archive, I didn't find results for wood wings.  Has
there been discussion about wood wings similar to that of GP4 or Tailwind?
Has anyone done this?

Gary
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KR> New wing skin idea

[Wayne Tokarz]

  Just remembered this one, did it years ago on a special project. Use any
core you wish for front and back half of wing, and last a foam in the center
area. Cover the spars with a releasable covering, (please don't laugh, but
duct tape works really well for this!), lay up the whole wing as per normal.
Cut the leading edge and slice the trailing edge, remove only the top or
bottom half. Do your backside layups on the two skins and bond it all
together. This is just the basic idea, I'm very sure you are more than
capable working out the details, ( gas cap, lines, baffles, etc.).

Just my humble two cents worth.
Wayne

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Dene
Sent: February-13-14 10:48 PM
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: KR> New wing skin idea

Hi guys
It is my plan to put full length wing tanks inside my wings between the
spars but because it is common practice here to use polystyrene for a core
and we all know what happens to poly foam when it even smells fuel, I have
been trying to come up with a way to get rid of foam all together without
having to produce a set of molds. I think I have a plan.

The cores are hot-wired from foam blocks as usual but the core that we would
normally use is discarded. The "female" form, which is cut with the washout
already set in it laid out on a flat table. A thin sheet of mylar or similar
is cut to the required dimensions and laid inside the foam form. Glass is
then laid up on that with a core material.
The skins can be made in three pieces: D box, centre section and trailing
edge, all with "overlap" for bonding over the spars.
All these can be bonded together over the spars.
This method, if done carefully and accurately should produce a pretty fair
wing skin that is strong, light and need very little fairing. Final washout
can still be tweaked at final bonding.

Any thoughts?

Regards
Dene Collett
Avlec Projects cc
Builders of award winning aircraft
tel:27419560048
cell: 27845805003
Port Elizabeth
South Africa





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KR> The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen

[Wayne Tokarz]

I would not lose one second of sleep, or give this guy one moments thought.
The internet is full of uneducated idiots who will spout off senseless
verbiage. It is very clear that this individual knows very little about
flying. I have been flying for over 32 years with mostly tail wheel time,
his comments about nose wheels is ludicrous. I used to own a 701, and the
nose wheel is a hindrance. I will never own another Zenair . KRs and
Sonnerais are GREAT little airplanes and a lot of bang for the buck.

Wayne

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From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lange
Sent: February-13-14 7:47 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen

Guys, 

I am not one to pick a fight on the internet, but we had a guy join
sonerai.net that was apprehensive about the design based on this comment:
"The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen"

This comment comes from the co-designer of the Sea-Era airplane (a very cool
little bird btw) and was posted on the HBA forum:
http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/aircraft-design-aerodynamics-new-te
chnology/16362-zenith-kr2s-sonerai-safety-record-comparison-4.html#post20620
3

The above link is to the last page of the thread and shows both my comments
to him and his original asinine statement. Anyone else a member over there
and would like to defend our little airplanes?

Jeff Lange
Race 64 - Skye Racer
Blog: http://schmleff.blogspot.com
Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/schmleff

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KR> 2013 KR Gathering Trip - Very Long Story.

[Wayne Tokarz]

Very nice Dan! I have been keeping an eye on this little bird for some time,
it looks like a really good machine.

Wayne

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From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Heath
Sent: February-12-14 10:31 AM
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: Re: KR> 2013 KR Gathering Trip - Very Long Story.

Fools that they are.  LOL...



My Panther Building Documentation at  <http://pantherbuilder.org/>
PantherBuilder Web Site



Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC



But you are OK and will fly again.  I know it sucks not being able to fly
the plane you love so much.  I have been there a few times now with my KR in
the trees, my Clipper blown into our glider club trailer by a microburst or
small tornado, my Pacer ground looped by a friend, and a prop strike causing
a three week engine rebuild.  Can't keep me down and won't keep you down
either.  And for some reason AIG keeps selling me insurance at a good rate.





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Subject: KR> 2013 KR Gathering Trip - Very Long Story.

From: "Dan Heath" < <mailto:danrh at windstream.net> danrh at windstream.net>

List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tue, February 11, 2014 4:13 pm

To: "'KRnet'" < <mailto:krnet at list.krnet.org> krnet at list.krnet.org>



I realize that a lot of time has passed since the Gathering last October. I
have planned on writing about the trip, but could not either bring myself to
do it, or did not think about doing so when I had the time.





After having worked diligently for almost a year, building and installing
wing tanks, removing the header tank, and installing my new Corvair engine,
in 2012, I was ready to head to the Gathering that year only to be sorely
disappointed by the onset of bad weather. Then arriving at Mt. Vernon, to
find that the weather was great for the duration, I was determined to make
the 2013 event.





But, not being able to help myself, I decided to install a new instrument
panel, which resulted in a complete re-wiring of the aircraft. I was able to
complete the task several weeks before Gathering time and just in time to go
to Camden to get my new Dynon Mode S transponder, certified. However, on the
trip back to CUB from Camden, I bounced and landed a little too much nose
down, which unknown to me at the time, caused the prop tip to strike and
severely damaged the prop. In an almost panic, I cried out to the KR Family
for help and it was not long before help arrived in the form of a Sterba
prop from Mark Langford. I could not install the spinner, so had to fly to
the Gathering without one. The important thing is that it got me and the
Black Bird to the annual celebration.





I departed CUB at about 10 am on Thursday morning, intending to fly on auto
pilot at 8500 ft, under ATC control. So, right after takeoff, I contacted
CAE and was set in the system and proceeded to climb to 8500. While
climbing, I tried to activate the Autopilot, which tested perfectly on the
ground, but it would not acquire. I kept getting an error on one of the
servos, so accepted the fact that I would be doing all the flying. 





The flight was un-eventful as I was passed from station to station on the
route to MVN. Not long after I started flying over the Smokey Mountains, I
began to encounter scattered clouds and did not want to get stuck below
them, so called for permission to climb to clear the clouds and permission
was granted to climb and remain VFR. This was repeated several times as I
got closer to the mountain range peak, which on my route was 6000 ft. I
began to see towering clouds in the distance and could tell that they were
thunder storms as confirmed by my Dynon Skyview. It was so cool to watch the
two towers grow, one taller than the other, until the tall one began to
break up at the top and the other stopped growing These towers were 2 or

3

thousand feet apart, and I had my sight set on flying between them. I knew
that once I cleared those, I would be heading down the other side of the
mountain range into the valley to my fuel stop. I had been climbing for
quite some time as I was almost mesmerized by the cloud cover and the two
towers that I was about to travel between. I could not help thinking about
what was happening and how impossible it might seem to some who had never
experienced such an adventure. It was almost like I was not there, like I
was outside of myself, watching a guy who built a box with wings on it,
flying between two towering clouds, a lot like I had experienced when
travelling in an airline. But it was me inside that box and as I was about
to cross over the peak and head down the other side to Upper Cumberland
Regional Airport in Tennessee, when I happened to notice that the Black
Bird's Corvair engine had taken us to almost 14,000 feet. I then realized
that I had been over 10,000 for some time now and began to check my physical
condition to be sure that I was not suffering from any delusion

KR> Other KR SITE

[Wayne Tokarz]

I have been using Yahoo groups for years, has always been a royal pain.
Nearly impossible to sign in , they change their protocols and lock you out,
they only want to pound the advertising into your face by forcing you into
using their accounts.

Wayne

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From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Doran Jaffas
Sent: February-10-14 2:46 AM
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Subject: KR> Other KR SITE

Maybe I am too technically challenged... But I want to the other site to try
to sign up required Yahoo address. I tried to set up an email and I get to
the create an account part and nothing happens. The only thing a question
passwords keep coming up red but tried several times no luck.
Thought it might be interesting getting a couple of different websites and
share information crossline. Anyway guys and gals all is good this website!
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KR> Ercoup flying

[Wayne Tokarz]

I owned my ercoupe for quite a number of years and put hundreds of hours in it. 
The limited elevator was but apart of it. The controls were another very big 
part of it. Also there were no springs between them. There was a mixing 
bellcrank under the baggage bag. It was all hard connected with rod end 
bearings and had a very specific rigging procedure. I completely rebuilt mine 
in about 1986. It had a lot of dihedral and was capable of a lot of crosswind. 
Very easy to land, but still a lot of fun. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 31, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Larry Flesner  
wrote:

> At 01:03 PM 1/31/2014, you wrote:
>> but the 'coupe had spring-mediated control linkage between the rudder and 
>> ailerons which provided automatic control coordination. This worked very 
>> well to prevent the cross-control stall problem, but made crabbing into a 
>> cross wind and slipping more difficult...not impossible.
> 
> 
> The cross-control stall was eliminated by limiting elevator travel so you 
> could not stall the main wing, not through interconnected controls.  The 
> Tripacer has interconnected aileron and rudder also but it will stall because 
> of greater elevator limits.  The Tripacer controls are spring connected so 
> you can override either control with the other.   Because you have no 
> independent rudder in an Ercoupe, you can't slip and must land in a crab in a 
> crosswind landing.  The gear is beefed up to handle greater side loads.  
> Because it has tricycle gear, it straightens itself out from a crabbed 
> touchdown.  Nice ideas for safety but basically makes it a mini van for sport 
> flying. :-)  It really seams "unnatural" to drive an Ercoupe down the taxi 
> way using the control wheel, just like in a car.  It just ain't 
> right...
> 
> Larry Flesner
> P.S. I seem to recall that if you got your license in a two control Ercoupe, 
> you were not licensed to fly a three control without further training / sign 
> off / etc.
> 
> 
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KR> KR1/KR100?????whats the difference?

[Wayne]

Stan,

What Mark L. said. Your 1800cc bus engine is probably a type 4. They are 
a little heaver then the usual type 1 VW. It will need a force 1 front 
bearing the same as the type 1. You can find everything you need know 
about VW conversions at Great Plains Aircraft. Good people.

For the Corvair, definitely get WW's manual.
  http://flycorvair.com/products.html

Also, check out: 
http://list.corvaircraft.org/mailman/private/corvaircraft_list.corvaircraft.org/2014/date.html

Don't know where you are located, I have a good 1976 2000 cc VW type 4 
you can have for the price of shipping. I'm in Charlotte, NC.

Some have built a KR2 with a narrow fuselage, called a KR1 1/2.

E-mail me with a ph# and time if you want to talk.

Wayne

> KR> KR1/KR100?whats the difference?
> Global Solutions smcdonal at kos.net
> Sat Jan 11 16:47:27 EST 2014
>
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> On 2014-01-11 4:27 PM, Mark Langford wrote:
> With handicap of the 84 HP and close to the same weight that in mind i
> have two 110 hp engines but was going to keep them for a KR2. Il Keep
> the 84 for parts
> Nice how plans can change with the experience and wisdom of others.
> Thanks Mark!
> If you where making a KR1 would you use a hopped up VW or the 110 hp
> Corvair?
> Thanks
> Stan
>


> Mark Langford wrote:
>
> The bus engine is the same storyit's too easy to increase the
> displacement with larger cylinders to use the stockers and limit the power.
> Great Plains Aircraft is the place to look further into that.  See
> http://greatplainsas.com/index.html

KR> gathering forum idea

[Wayne Tokarz]

Having owned a body shop  and built many paint booths over the years, I have
developed an excellent design for one offs and "back-yard" types.  While
still using a used furnace motor and fan. The principle is very easy, DON'T
draw out the overspray and fumes, rather "blow" them out. It's a positive
pressure design. I will try to post some pics this weekend. I mount the fan
inside a box with two HEPA furnace filters on the sides. This is mounted to
the ceiling and outside wall of the paint booth and blow air into a wooden
plenum, (~ 4' X 8' X 2') that is also mounted on the ceiling but inside the
paint booth. The plenum has cut outs on one face and the bottom for 4
furnace filters. The entire booth is made out of sticks and poly. At the far
end of the booth is my "door" and it has along the bottom edge 3 furnace
filters. For those that are mathematically inclined, the number of filters
"blowing" air into the booth exceeds those "exhausting" out, there for you
get a pressure differential or positive pressure inside the booth vice
ambient air outside. You will have a combination of cross flow and
downdraught at the same time! The real benefit is that the positive pressure
in the booth will not just blow out the exhaust but will serve to blow out
every crack, crevice, joint, etc. in the booth, vice sucking in air, (dirty
unfiltered air) from those same areas. I control the quality of air going in
and the thus have a cleaner safer paint booth. 
  "Sucking" the over spray and fumes out means having a potentially
dangerous situation where the flammable fumes are drawn across an open
electric motor as well as gumming up the fan blades very quickly. Mine is
permanently mounted in a corner of my hanger and has folding walls that
swing out of the way when not in use. Takes 5 minutes to set up when I need,
of course that is not including moving everything out of the way first! LOL!
Over the years this system has served me very well and produced some pretty
darn good work. 

Wayne


I am more than happy to share any knowledge or experience I have with
painting and finishing and leave that up to Larry. I am currently getting
ready to paint my SCCA sports race car and will try to take plenty of
pictures of the process and my home made paint booth. The booth is a pretty
simple design with a down flow (air) idea. The idea is to basically pull air
in from the top and filter exhaust air our of the bottom back side. Its a
simple erector set style idea using ?2 X 3 lumber and polyethylene clear
sheeting, a few dense micron furnace filters to draw air in from the top and
push them out with a squirrel cage fan out of a used furnace to both filter
and exhaust air out of the bottom. ?Its all put together using screws so
that I can take it apart to store in my hanger. I have thought about re
doing it with PVC pipes and PVC elbows to allow putting it together and
taking it apart without using screws. Simply slip it together.?

Jeff York
KR2

KR> Krnet posts

[Wayne]

 >> craneman11 at juno.com wrote,
>> I have one more question if anybody can help me out.
> How is it that before I ever even see my question on the forum
> it's already answered? Is this posted somewhere else before I get the
> emails?
>> Thanks for all your help.
>>
>> Tom
>>

  Tom,
  I edit the archive file at

http://list.krnet.org/mailman/private/krnet_list.krnet.org/2013/date.html with 

  my browser. This gives me nearly instantaneous access to new posts, I
  also subscribe to the digest as a backup. I agree with Larry about you
  emails.

  Wayne

KR> Project for sale

[Wayne]

Bob, that is beautiful! Are you a cabinet maker?

IMO, your project is well worth the asking price. I just wish I could do 
it myself.

BTW, some of your pics are upside down, I downloaded and corrected them. 
If you like I can zip them and send them to you. You will need 
broadband, it's 51.9mb.
Good luck,

Wayne



 > KR> Project for sale
 > Robert Boyd iflyexp at gmail.com
 > Wed Jul 10 07:16:13 EDT 2013
 >
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 > I put some pics and info about my KR2-S project on a web site.
 > If interested please let me know.
 > https://sites.google.com/site/bobskr2s/home
 >
 > Bob

KR> Something to amuse

[Wayne Tokarz]

Thanks Dene, that was a blast. Those guys were having a lot of good spirited
fun with their machines. 

Wayne

Corsair Enterprises Ltd.
Wayne & Kathy
office: 780-594-3456
fax: 780-594-4176
#1 5401 56 Ave
Mailing address:
P.O. Box 8166
Cold Lake, AB
T9M 1N1



-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Dene Collett
Sent: June-10-13 1:42 PM
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: Re: KR> Something to amuse

Damn I forgot to attach the link to the video taken today and now I'v lost
it!
Sorry guys
This is another video taken in the same spot in January this year.
Here it is: http://vimeo.com/58364692


Regards
Dene Collett
Avlec Projects cc
Port Elizabeth
South Africa



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> >From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Dene
Collett
> >Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 8:54 PM
> >To: 'KRnet'
> >Subject: KR> Something to amuse
> >
> >Hi guys
> >I though tthis short video would totally amuse you guys.
> >These guys get together just down the road from my house at the coast and
> >have a ball regularly.
> >I am planning on joining them with a model KR soon.
> >I have already built my son a P51 and almost completed a MIG-7.
> >Enjoy and apologies for it not being totally KR!
> >
> >
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Dene Collett
> >
> >Avlec Projects cc
> >
> >Port Elizabeth
> >
> >South Africa
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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KR> Weight.

[Wayne Tokarz]

COOL! Thanks guys, some very useful information. I'm a bit of a minimalist,
however, safety, reasonable upgrades and modifications will all add-up. I
will now have to make my list, and live with the results.

Wayne T.

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From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert7721
Sent: May-22-13 8:42 PM
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Subject: Re: KR> Weight.

My original KR2S weight was 600 pounds at inspection in 2006. I was pretty
happy with that. Probably up to about 625 pounds by now. Max weight is 1100
pounds - that was calculated to keep the C.G. from going aft of the limit -
no other reason. VW Revmaster 2100 engine, just a header tank, no flaps or
belly board. Just basic VFR instruments at 1st flight. Since then I've added
lights, Dynon D6, Transponder, and MGL V6 radio. Over 480 hours flight on it
since 2006. 

Rob Schmitt
N1852Z
www.robert7721.com






-Original Message-


781 lbs! is that  not a bit on the heavy side? What do other planes
"typically" come in at? 


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KR> Warning! -mail hacked!

[Wayne]

Folks,

Someone using a cox.net account got hacked recently. Pretty sure it's 
not mine, but I'm changing my passwords anyway. A family member has 
received emails with my name and a cox.net account. I have no email 
accounts other then what is listed in my krnet userid. I have not sent 
any emails in the last 10 days, If anyone receives an email with my name 
on it, please forward it to me, I will be following up on this.

Thanks,
Wayne

KR> Weight & Balance

[Wayne Tokarz]

781 lbs! is that  not a bit on the heavy side? What do other planes
"typically" come in at? The spread sheet on the net is a bit dated and not
very complete. Not criticizing, just curious.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Sid Wood
Sent: May-21-13 8:33 PM
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Subject: KR> Weight & Balance

Empty weight is
781 pounds; FAA calculated gross is 1178 pounds for a useful load of 397
pounds.
With my tender body onboard the CG ranges from 12.4" full fuel to 11.2" 
Empty.
Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA




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KR> new panel for N891JF

[Wayne Tokarz]

WOW! What a dramatic change, very nice work.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark Langford
Sent: April-21-13 7:39 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> new panel for N891JF

The new panel for N891JF is finally coming together.  See
http://www.n56ml.com/n891jf/panel/panel_trial_fit for a trial fit of the big
stuff mounted and almost ready to wire some stuff.  Details are at
http://www.n56ml.com/n891jf/panel .  I'm also working to change the canopy
from side-hinged to front-hinged.  Simple to do, I think.  More to come in
the next few weeks, I hope.  When I'm done I'll have a website that details
how I did all of this stuff...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com


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KR> prop sticking to hub

[Wayne Tokarz]

Sorry about the windshield...but it is done, safety glass cannot be buffed,
polished or anything. A single edge razor, (with care) is very good for
removing stuck or caked on debris from both the windshield and the hub. Care
must be exercised not to scratch anything. Using ANY product that requires a
"sanding motion" will invariably have an abrasive component to it and this
is to be avoided unless you are goal is to use abrasives to accomplish the
task, ie: sanding or polishing, not cleaning. Use a bar of soap and rub a
little on the back of the prop, polish lightly to smooth it out, use your
finger to get a little in the holes or on the drive dogs. Any automotive
paste wax will do the same thing, more IS NOT better. 

Wayne 

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark Jones
Sent: April-20-13 6:38 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> prop sticking to hub

- Original Message -
From: "Randy Powell" 

> Make it stainless steel steel wool.   But I would still use a fine 
> scotchbrite pad on the hub and not steel wool.

Scotchbrite pads contain fine particles of steel that will embed themselves
in your wood prop and will scratch your hub. I did not know Scotchbrite pads
contained steel particles. I had just replaced a cracked windshield in my
car and somehow got a real hard substance like sap right in my drivers field
of view. Regular glass cleaner would not get it off and I just happened to
see my box of Scotchbrite pads and grabbed one thinking it would get it off
easily. Well it pretty much did and it also scratched my windshield and now
I have a very annoying spot right in my line of sight. I know this is off KR
now but if anyone knows a remedy to get the scratches out of my new
windshield I would appreciate you letting mme know. Thanks


Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
E-mail: flykr2s at charter.net
Web: www.flykr2s.com




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KR> test

[Wayne]

Is this the new list?

KR> web site

[Wayne]

Dave,

You have been back stabbed by google.

"This site has been disabled for violations of our Terms of Service. If 
you feel this disabling was in error, please fill out our appeal form."

You would be better off just putting your photos on photobucket...

Google discriminates against some browsers and is generally unfriendly 
to use.

Wayne
Charlotte, NC

> Date: Jan 17, 2012 12:00 AM
>
> From: Dave_A <dave.a.kr...@gmail.com>
>
> Subject: KR> Website for my project & the work I did in FL
>
> https://sites.google.com/site/daveakr2/


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KR> Regulator/rectifier to electric system hookup

[Wayne]

Dave,

I found this, http://syncrocorp.com/index.php

Don.t know if it's relevant..

In your picture, I see a voltage rectifier on the left and the voltage 
regulator on the right. Are there any part numbers on those things?

A P/N would help to search on for info.

Wayne



> Date: Jan 11, 2012 11:34 AM
>
> From: Dave Acklam <dave.a.kr...@gmail.com>
>
> Subject: KR> Regulator/rectifier to electric system hookup
>
> Need a little help figuring this out
>
> Photo shows wires out of older diehl case (2 black, 1 red) going
> seperate 'synchro' regulatot and rectifier (reg is the closer one to
> me)...
>
> 2 white wires one from rect, 1 from the black out of the reg) are
> connected to nothing (the plane *had* an electrical sys until someone
> cut it out)...
>
> How do I get 12v out (which wire) and where do the 2 whites go?
>
> Photo at http://i187.photobucket.c/x198/dcacklam/2

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KR> "Paul W. Bittengle Jr." <kr1pi...@aol.com>

[Wayne]

> Date: Jan 11, 2012 9:28 PM
>
> From: "Paul W. Bittengle Jr." <kr1pi...@aol.com>
>
> Subject: KR> (no subject)
>
> http://jessesiegel.com/simpleviewer/tmp/search.php?how128.png
>
> ___

DO NOT click on this link!!

It is some sort of trojan.
don't know what it does, but it can't be good.
My AVG anti-virus blocked it so it must be a known baddie..

I suspect that Paul W. had nothing to do with this and his login has 
been hijacked.

Wayne D.
Charotte,NC

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KR> Certificated engines

[Wayne]

Ohh Jeff,

Thats a keeper!

Thanks

Wayne DeLisle Sr.
Charlotte, NC

> Date: Jan 9, 2012 1:03 PM
>
> From: Jeff Scott <jscott.pla...@gmx.com>
>
> Subject: KR> Certificated engines
>
> KR builders,


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Subject: Re: KR> First day working with N86DK..... - Cumulative replies.

[Wayne]

Hi Dave,

Sounds like you have a standard KR2.

I have a new, unused, complete plans set, purchased from Stu Robinson at 
Oshkosh 1n 1975. Shoot me your mailing address and it's yours, no charge.

Good luck,

Wayne DeLisle Sr.
Charlotte, NC

(oldmoparguy)
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KR> Chilling demonstration of focus induced blindness

[Wayne]

Message 2 of 17

List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Dec 14, 2011 6:00 AM

From: Eric j Pitts <eric.pi...@starband.net>

Subject: KR> Fwd: Chilling demonstration of focus induced blindness

Fliars,

 >From Mark O...

Check out this web site demo of a natural phenomenon.  It is fascinating.

I guess this is why the US Navy lookout training handbook teaches observers
to scan using 5 degree eye location shifts every 5 seconds.  A good thing
to remember when we are scanning for VFR traffic.

SOB

http://www.msf-usa.org/motion.html

---
Interesting, but doesn't seem to be much of a problem for me.

I spent about 5 minutes fooling with it, but I didn't see more then an 
occasional drop out on the bottom dot, then only for an instant.
I never saw any drop outs with 2 top dots until I doubled the speed and 
reduced the dot size to about 1/16", then only the right dot, I never 
lost the left one.

Maybe that's why when we were flying traffic watch over dntn Charlotte I 
could spot other acft way sooner then the pilots.

Wayne D.
Charlotte, NC
aka:oldmoparguy

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KR> Brian/ epoxy

[Wayne Tokarz]

Hi guys, I don't say much but here is my two cents worth. Brian, this flying
thing is a serious endeavor and fraught with pitfalls. Best not to cause
yourself more grief than needed. This little bird is a very frugal way to
get some good flying in, but like everything else, has limitations. Certain
epoxies are more sensitive than others to mixing ratios, it is critical to
follow manufactories directions in this respect. You said "Dynel" in one
post. I would very strongly recommend that you re-skin those area as you
will only have trouble over the long period and I don't know of any KRs
still flying with it as it is prone to cracking. When it comes to safety and
doing things right, this group is a pretty amazing bunch and will truly work
hard to help you have the most rewarding experience possible on this
wonderful adventure. I'm working on my second KR and plan to keep it super
simple and super light, like it was intended to be. I currently own/work
on/fly a KR-2, Pietenpol, Barracuda, Emeraude, and a Renegade, well most of
them are wood!



Wayne





Corsair Enterprises Ltd.

Wayne & Kathy

office: 780-594-3456

fax: 780-594-4176

#1 5401 56 Ave

Mailing address:

P.O. Box 8166

Cold Lake, AB

T9M 1N1

KR> Cooling ducts

[Wayne & Kathy Tokarz]

Very nice work Sid, did you make the ducts as well? They look very
professional.



Wayne and Kathy Tokarz

Corsair Enterprises Ltd.

Cold Lake,  Alberta,

780-812-8163

780-639-3023

KR> Progress

[Wayne & Kathy Tokarz]

I think the reason that your pistons are overextending into the barrels is
that you have the wrong crankshaft. Check out Harry Fenton's excellent web
site on Continentals.

http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm

He explains all the ins and outs of modifying Continentals. At our field we
had a Continental with a mix of parts, C-85, C-90, O-200 and that baby made
around 130hp! Never saw a Luscombe perform so well !



Wayne and Kathy Tokarz

Corsair Enterprises Ltd.

Cold Lake,  Alberta,

780-812-8163

780-639-3023

KR> Screws in spars

[Wayne & Kathy Tokarz]

I just saw on Darren Compton's site that he appeared to actually "screw" 2 X
4s to the spars. Would this not be damaging to the spars? Weaken them or set
up a stress riser?



Wayne and Kathy Tokarz

Corsair Enterprises Ltd.

Cold Lake,  Alberta,

780-812-8163

780-639-3023

KR> Poll - KRnet email list or new forum?

[Wayne Williams]

Mark, I have tried three times to register for the forum but I guess i'm not 
smart enough to do it. It asks for information for which I have no clue. 
Thanks
Wayne Williams, Grenada,Ms 

KR> stick and rudder

[Wayne & Kathy Tokarz]

I have had the misfortune of being caught in clouds in a Pietenpol and having 
to do a let down and turn while in cloud. In level flight you can keep the 
wings level by cross referencing the compass and slip ball.This will work 
regardless of direction of flight. If the compass is swinging and the ball is 
centered and the compass is level you are turning. If the ball is checked, 
compass tilted, no or little swing, then you are not wings level. Remember that 
when turning that the compass will lead or lag depending on which way you turn. 
The old diddy of east is least and west is best woud apply here.

Wayne

KR> Removing Email relpys

[Wayne Williams]

Thanks Phil for the information about replying to messages. There are too 
many hidden ways to do this crap on computers. I don't have the time to try 
to figure out all of them. Again Thanks. I have un checked my box in case I 
ever want to reply. Wayne Williams, Grenada,MS. 

KR> Satisfaction

[Wayne Williams]

Congradulations bill.   Wayne Williams
- Original Message - 
From: "countryhomeprint" <countryhomepr...@bellsouth.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:46 PM
Subject: KR> Satisfaction


> KR Netters: I now have 23 hours on 880AB and I want you to know that I 
> have not flown as pleasurable an aircraft in my life as this little KR. It 
> is very responsive with very little movenent of the stick which after a 
> while becomes conditioned, it is fast. I have had it to 210 mph ( that's 
> my limit) and yesterday I did a low fly-by at 190 mph verified by police 
> radar. You guys building, hurry up. You do not know what you are missing.
>
> Presently, cruise is 145 mph at 2800 rpm. The engine just hums and runs so 
> smoothly. At 3100 rpm I am approaching 160 mph. Yes, this is verified by 
> gps. I am so pleased with the performance of this aircraft. I have ordered 
> a spinner, maybe this will give me a little more speed at the above 
> settings. My engine is a 2180 cc Volkswagen with a Sterba 54X54 prop. 
> Also, I am burning about 3.2 gallons per hour. All of this sounds 
> impossible, it wasn't planned, it just turned out this way, therefore, I 
> can't tell you what I did differently to get this performance.
> Landings, This is probably the easiest plane to land that I have ever had 
> experience with. My insurance required me to have 2 hours dual in a like 
> craft. Beginning with solo I have not had a landing less than near 
> perfect. (Tomorrow, I will probably end this streak.)
>
>
> Bill Page
> bp...@bellsouth.net
>
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KR> Inspection on Saturday

[Wayne Williams]

Sounds good Bill. Let me know how you come out on your inspection. Wayne 
Williams-Grenada, MS
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From: "countryhomeprint" <countryhomepr...@bellsouth.net>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:25 PM
Subject: KR> Inspection on Saturday


> Just a note to say that my KR2 is scheduled to be inspected for 
> airworthyness this Saturday. I am finally complete after 14 years. Yea! 
> She weighs in at 623 lbs. I will be at Mt. Vernon for the next gathering 
> weather permitting.
>
> Bill Page
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KR> Gas availability for travel to Mt. Vernon

[Wayne Williams]

Thanks for the information. Wayne Williams-Grenda,MS
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From: "pole shed" <ps...@yahoo.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Gas availability for travel to Mt. Vernon


> Last night,the Cape Girardeau, MO, TV station showed
> several stations in the Missouri Bootheel, along I-55,
> that were limiting gas purchases to 10 gallons, in
> some cases $40 total.  Apparently, there is some gas
> available in our area, Southern Illinois and Southeast
> Missouri.  A few stations have run out temporarily,
> but the resupplies seem to be coming in.  I haven't
> seen any station in the Carbondale and Marion area
> closed due to no gas in my commute from my
> girlfriend's house to my farm. Marion is about 40
> miles south of Mt Vernon, on I-57.
> 
> --- Dan Heath <da...@alltel.net> wrote:
> 
>> We need a little help down south, for our plans to
>> travel to Mt. Vernon.
>> Please see the message from Wayne, below. It is
>> "ifey" here right now, but
>> we expect it to get better in a few days.
>> 
>> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering
>> 
>> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
>> the pics 
>> 
>> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING
>> and the time for building
>> has expired.
>> 
>> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
>> 
> 
> Larry Lipe
> Carbondale,IL
> MSGT USMC(Ret)
> 
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KR> Gas availability for travel to Mt. Vernon

[Wayne Williams]

Thanks for the information Larry. Wayne Williams-Grenada,MS.
- Original Message - 
From: "larry flesner" <fles...@midwest.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 10:33 PM
Subject: KR> Gas availability for travel to Mt. Vernon


> 
> 
>>We need a little help down south, for our plans to travel to Mt. Vernon.
>>Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
> 
> 
> Gas in southern Illinois spiked to $3.69 for a day or two but now
> seems to be in the $3.15 to $3.39 range.  I've only seen one
> station with "out of gas" signs but that was a small independent
> station.  
> 
> I called the Mt.Vernon FBO this evening and they said they should
> have plenty of 100LL through next weekend.  Price was $3.63
> as I recall.
> 
> Gas prices will add a few bucks to the cost of the trip but for
> now it looks to be available.
> 
> I'll keep you posted if I get more info...
> 
> Larry Flesner
> 
> 
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Re: Réf. : RE: KR> 4130 steel

[Wayne Williams]

Serge,bought 1/2" strips from Wicks Aircraft. I think they cut them for me 
for a very nominal cost.
Wayne Williams  Grenada,Mississippi,USA
- Original Message - 
From: "Serge VIDAL" <serge.vi...@sagem.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:52 AM
Subject: Réf. : RE: KR> 4130 steel


> That's exactly what I had in mind. Besides, I will have that shipped  to
> France, so sheets would be a silly option anyway.
> It's a pity there are no strips aailable in 1/2" width, to make rear WAFs.
>
> Serge Vidal
> KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
> Paris, France
>
>
>
>
>
> "Brian Kraut" <brian.kr...@engalt.com>
>
> Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
> 2005-06-07 06:06
> Veuillez répondre à KRnet
> Remis le : 2005-06-07 06:06
>
>
>Pour :  "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
>cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
>Objet : RE: KR> 4130 steel
>
>
>
> The 4130 from Spruce is all normalized.  I do have one suggestion.  Buy
> the
> strips, not the sheet.  The strips are cold rolled so they have a nice
> smooth finish.  1/8" sheet stock in 4130 is no longer available anywhere
> in
> the U.S. in cold rolled, only hot rolled so they have mill scale on them.
> Unless you were going to water jet them or something and wanted to cut out
> of a sheet you would want strips cut to width anyway.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt@mylist.net
> [mailto:krnet-bounces+brian.kraut=engalt@mylist.net]On Behalf Of
> Mark Langford
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:19 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> 4130 steel
>
>
> Serge wrote:
>
>> >If I buy strips of 4130 steel of the correct thickness from Aircraft
>> >Spruce, can I use them as they are to make WAFs, or is there any
>> >treatment (other that surface treatment) that I must apply?
>
> The heat treatment is "condition N".  You can either start there or end
> there, but that's the way it needs to be when you're finished.  I think
> when
> you buy it from AS, that's the way it is, but I'd check to make sure.
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
> see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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>
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KR> the heartbreak of Spraylat

[Wayne Israelsen]

MArk most commercial paint stores in ca hav espeay lat on the shelf, or
another comany's version. Try your local Sherwin williams or Benjamine
Moore, they may have it there.HTH

Thanks
Wayne
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From: "Mark Langford" <n5...@hiwaay.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 3:57 PM
Subject: KR> the heartbreak of Spraylat


> NetHeads,
>
> I've spent 4 or 5 hours so far, and expect to spend many more, peeling the
> Spraylat off my canopy.

somewhere that the
> cure was to spray a new layer of Spraylat on top of the original, but
> unfortunately I didn't have the good sense to order any yet.

. 
>
  I'll order some Spraylat tonight and see how it goes, but
> for now, I'm warning you guys not to get primer, especially Smooth Prime,
on
> your Spraylat.  The easiest way to avoid this it to use several widths of
> electrical tape to make sure that the Spraylat never sees any primer of
any
> kind.  Electrical tape is THE ticket, as I learned from Don Reid several
> years ago.  Masking tape will become a permanent part of your canopy if
you
> use it.  If you have masking tape (or duct tape) on your canopy, remove it
> right now to prevent further damage.
>
> Anybody with good ideas as to how to make this bearable is welcome to
> enlighten me, but right now I'm waiting 'till Tuesday when UPS can bring
me
> some Spraylat to put on top of this mess...
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
> N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
> see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
>
>
>
>
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KR> banquet

[Wayne Williams]

What is the dress for the banquet saturday night?
Wayne Williams--Grenada,Ms.

KR> banquet

[Wayne Williams]

Thanks Mark
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: KR> banquet


>
>
> > What is the dress for the banquet saturday night?
>
> Mostly KR T-shirts, or close to it.  See
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/redoak2003/030913260.jpg for a clue.
Just
> don't bring any dogs with you and you'll be OK...
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
> N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
> see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
>
>
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KR> yet another AS debacle...

[Wayne Israelsen]

Hey Mark
I drive right by the AS in corona Ca every day almost. I buy from there
some times but never have any thing shipped because I don't need to. I'm not
a shipping service but if you need me to go by and get something that you've
just got to have to get that work of art in the air I'd be happy to go by
AS pick it up and get it shipped. At least then you could know it was
actually in the mail so to speak. Like I said I'm not a shipping  expert but
if it helps you it would be a pleasure to say thanks for all your KRNet
work.
Thanks
Wayne
- Original Message -
From: Mark Langford <n5...@hiwaay.net>
To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: KR> yet another AS debacle...


> The saga continues.  If you don't want to hear it, hit the DEL key now!
>
> Shortly after my last diatribe, a couple of people emailed me privately to
> assure me that screwups from AS were "isolated incidents" and that
they'd
> never had any problems.  I wish I could say that too!
>
> Saturday I recieved a cryptic notice in the mail from AS  It had
"please
> return this portion with your remittance" stamped at the top in red ink,
but
> after a few minutes of studying the thing, I deduced that I didn't
actually
> owe them any money, they were just informing me that indeed they were
going
> to send me one of the ten things I'd ordered.  Whew...that's a relief!  I
> wonder about the rest?
>
> Today I came home to a message from AS asking me to please call them and
> talk to their customer service folks.  Apparently somebody forwarded them
my
> email message, and they wanted to smooth things over.  I'm not sure what
> they plan to say, but I assure you that no words will help convince me of
> anything other than the place is in total chaos, and it's a miracle that
> people ever actually recieve things they order from them.  I called,
waited
> 8 minutes for a human to answer (I'll bet I've never had to wait more than
8
> SECONDS for people at Wicks to answer), and was told she was "unavailable,
> call back later".  I called back an hour later, and she's "stepped out to
> the warehouse".  I'm still waiting on her to return my call.
>
> So I find a UPS box on the back porch, along with a Priority Mail
envelope.
> N56ML stickers are in the envelope, some other stuff in the box.  I'm
> clueless as to why they couldn't have both come in the same box, but then
> I'm not a logistics expert.  A careful examination of the box shows that
the
> position sensor (the thing that forced me to order from them in the first
> place) WASN'T EVEN IN THE BOX!  Why does that not surprise me?  Because
the
> guy in CA told me he had one, but they didn't have one in GA, but the next
> week they told me that everything I wanted was in GA, and they'd ship it.
> Not only was it not in the box, it wasn't even on the invoice.   And  two
> trim indicator labels that WERE on the invoice, and I was charged for,
were
> also NOT in the box.  Hmm, another isolated incident I guess, but for me,
> this is typical of any order I've placed with AS  I just can't fathom
how
> flawlessly Wicks does their job, never skipping a beat, after several
> hundred orders from me, and when I place one order a year with AS, it
> invaribly turns into some kind of fiasco.
>
> So AS just called, explaining that there must have been a computer
glitch
> or something, but that they were sure it was just an isolated incident.
To
> me, that's about four or five "isolated incidents" in one order, so I'm
not
> convinced!  Supposedly they will now ship my position sensor from CA,
along
> with the two missing labels.  We'll see.
>
> So let's recap:
>
> -it took them 20 minutes to tell me that they had something in stock
> -they made me "confirm" by email or fax something that I'd ordered, like
> maybe I wasn't sure?
> -they told me it was all in stock, but on Monday they called to say the
> switches were backordered
> -they were supposed to ship it all on Monday, 3 day UPS red, but simply
> forgot to EVER ship it
> -they sent me an invoice telling me the thing I'd confirmed, was actually
> going to ship
> -the one thing I REALLY wanted, they left out of the box, and off the
> invoice
> -two more items were also not in the box, but I was charged for them
anyway
> -a three day order has now turned into a THIRTEEN day order
>
> Yep, I knowI'm just a malcontent.  Sorry for ventilating in your
> direction.  Whoever forwarded that last one to Jim Irwin is welcome to do
> that again.  It's been a while since I talked to him about this kind of
> stuff anyway, and it looks like he could use another ear full...
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
> N56ML "at"  hiwaay.net
> see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford
>
>
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