[lace] Sfilato Siciliano drawn thread

[Jane Bawn]

I have a friend who is trying to find out more information regarding this
type of embroidery.  You are all so knowledgeable that I feel sure that
someone has heard of it and can point me in the right direction.

I have tried googling but not a lot comes up.  I am not sure whether I
should have sent this to Lace Chat as it is not strictly lace however I feel
it is lace related.

 

Thank you for any help you can give me.4

 

Regards

Jane Bawn in the UK

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Re: [lace] ADMIN: Trimming posts

[Jane Bawn]

I apologise to all for not trimming my posts and yes I got a gentle reminder
too.  I don't mind the reminder, I just didn't think, sorry.  I didn't take
it as not being welcome.  For those people on the digest it can be a bit of
a nightmare scrolling through the same message time and time again and also
if ever you have need to consult the archive it helps if messages aren't
repeated.

I believe everyone is welcome providing they have something to say but I
post so rarely I forgot to trim, hence the reminder.
Nuff said.


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Sent: 30 March 2018 06:33
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Subject: **SPAM** Re: [lace] ADMIN: Trimming posts

I am beginning to feel I am not welcome in this group when I get chastised
when once in a blue moon I forget to trim a post. And yes, I am sorry, I
don't find it a 'gentle reminder', to me it feels like being chastised like
a school kid. 

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RE: RE: [lace] Nenia Lovesey-City and Guilds

[Jane Bawn]

Catherine

I have thoroughly enjoyed reading this history of the rebirth of Needle Lace 
and it is so sad that the Needle Lace Guild is disbanding just as I am enjoying 
learning needle lace.  If I wasn't working full time with no sign of retirement 
I might have been tempted to wade in with the offer of my services.  

I love your work and although I am a bit of a purist and have always enjoyed 
looking at white lace/embroidery I have recently been in discussion with a 
friend who has done the same Cabinet of Curiosities course that I have done.  
Her work is full of colour and she has pointed me towards Ros Hills book 
'Colour and Texture in Needlelace'.  This book and Simona's needlelace has 
totally inspired me to be more adventurous in needlelace, something I feel I 
need to do in order to complete my casket.

All (well most) of the original needle lace teachers seem to have disappeared 
or retired and it is difficult to find anyone local.  I have tried to encourage 
people to become as enthusiastic as myself in order to create a self help group 
but it is hard work.  My local embroiderers guild branch  asked me to show them 
lace at one of our taster evenings which was hectic and then I was asked to do 
a Young embroiderers workshop to show them how to make needle lace which I 
still have nightmares about  I am definitely not teacher material!

Jane



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Sent: 29 March 2018 17:16
To: DevonThein ; lace@arachne.com; ec...@cix.co.uk
Subject: Re: RE: [lace] Nenia Lovesey-City and Guilds

Neither Nenia or Ros Hills were responsible for setting up the City & Guilds 
course, it was Margaret Clark of The Lace Guild here in the UK who was the 
driving force behind setting it up.  All the prominent lace teachers in the UK 
were invited to be one of the Guinea Pigs, as they had to start somewhere!  
Nenia was invited to be one of the Assessors to mark/assess the work of the 
Guinea Pigs, having sat their examination and displayed the practical work 
required in the syllabus.  However, she was in poor health at the time and 
unable to take on the responsibility, so I was invited to take her place, being 
the only other person with sufficient knowledge of needlelace to meet the 
requirement, along with Susanne Thompson, and Anne Collier for the bobbin 
laces.  We three assessors were housed in a nearby hotel well away from the 
Guinea Pigs, who sat their written exam at Knuston Hall.  This all took place 
over a weekend and I believe this was in September 1987?

A number of the successful Guinea Pigs then went on to become Assessors 
themselves eg Cynthia Voysey, Barbara Underwood, Gil Dye, Sue Willoughby (I 
think chair of The Lace Guild at that time?), Carol Williamson, Anne Dyer and 
many well known names.  The first C & G 2 year course held at Camberley Adult 
Education Centre is where both Ros Hills & myself taught the class of 18 
students  to make needlelace and Pat Earnshaw taught them how identify the 
various types of lace.  She had an amazing collection of lace and of course had 
written several books on the subject, so what a treat it was to be able to 
examine/handle many of her exquisite laces.  By sheer coincidence my book 
Needlelace Designs & Techniques had just been published and the first three 
types of needlelace, namely Venetian Gros Point, Hollie Point and Point de 
Gaze, were three of the needlelaces that had to be covered in the C & G 
examination.

The Westhope Group was formed shortly after the Guinea Pigs had sat their exam 
with a few f the successful candidates being invited to join the group, numbers 
limited by the number of beds available at the college.  Several well known 
authors/tutors were members and came from North, South, West and East to enjoy 
our weekend get togethers, planning exhibitions etc and picking each other's 
brains.  What a wonderful time it was!  Sadly nothing lasts forever and the C & 
G lacemaking course is no more!  The main reason for setting up the C & G 
Lacemaking course in the first place was to do away with the so called 'cowboy' 
tutors, who having attended a couple of lacemaking courses, considered 
themselves qualified to teach but if they had a C & G qualification that would 
guarantee a higher standard of tuition.

Yes I think the introduction of the C & G course did play a very large part as 
a major drive in the lace movement.

Catherine Barley

Catherine Barley Needlelace
www.catherinebarley.com

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Date : 29/03/2018 - 14:39 (GMTDT)
To : ec...@cix.co.uk, lace@arachne.com
Subject : RE: [lace] Nenia Lovesey-City and Guilds



I am trying to write the catalog for the exhibit. Since Ros Hills is in the 
show, I sat down to reread her books. In Colour and Texture in Needlelace, she 
makes reference to Nenia Lovesay. I was surprised to hear that Nenia made 

[lace] Needlelace on Facebook

[Jane Bawn]

Hi 
I am late to this discussion but I have to jump in at this point and say
that there are most definitely Needlelace sites on Facebook.
i.e. Needlelacetalk
Oya Needle Lace (English)

Although I was a bit put out at the title ' Lace Makers (tatters and
handmade bobbin lace makers, needle lacemakers too)' where needle lace was
considered an afterthought!

There is also ' early period lacemakers' which discusses needle lace quite
often.

Jane




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Marianne Gallant
Sent: 29 March 2018 20:03
Cc: Arachne 
Subject: **SPAM** Re: [lace] Re: Lace, Not Lace Reaction to Needle Lace
Revival Arachne comments 3/28/18

This comment made me go have a search for needle lace on Facebook. Guess
what, there is no group for needle lace. There are several for bobbin lace
and tatting, but not needle lace. I think someone should start one, because
on the other lace groups I see more and more young people wanting to learn
and getting into both bobbin lace and tatting. So if we want to promote the
art of needle lace it should get onto Facebook, especially now that you can
do videos both on Facebook and Youtube, it makes it a lot easier for people
to learn things without having to find a teacher, or attend a guild that may
not anywhere close (like my closest guild is a 6.5 hour drive through the
mountains, you don't do that and back in a day). I know a lot of us don't
like Facebook, and with the recent data controversiesB  people are even more
reluctant, but that is where the young people hang out, and where they get
connected with new arts and crafts. I don't want to be the one to start the
group, I haven't done much in needle lace, so really no experience, though I
am thinking of getting back into doing some, it is a good project to take
with me when I travel.

*Marianne*

Marianne Gallant
Vernon, BC Canada
m...@shaw.ca
http://threadsnminis.blogspot.ca, https://www.facebook.com/GallantCreation/

On 2018-03-29 10:35 AM, Elena Kanagy-Loux wrote:
>
> Additionally, in today's world, there is the issue of social media and 
> marketing. A lot of these younger artists have audiences on social 
> media that have never seen or engaged with lace before, which is great of
course.
> But the general public has a huge knowledge gap about lace history 
> that needs to be remedied, and in doing so give rightful credit to the 
> many lacemakers (like the members of this list) who have devoted their 
> lives to the craft.
>

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RE: [lace] Stumpwork casket

[Jane Bawn]

Janet has a blog where she has posted about the making of the casket.  You
can find it here http://www.janetbrandt.com/p/casket-panels.html
I  was on the Thistle Threads course too but I am still thinking about my
casket. Sigh!

Jane

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Sent: 06 September 2017 13:49
To: lace@arachne.com
Subject: [lace] Stumpwork casket

Hello All!  A wonderful video has been posted to
Thistle-threads.blogspot.com.  A profusion of stitches covers the casket &
individual figures, some of which I would like to see in still photos.
There is an alligator playing a violin, a peacock & other fanciful
creatures, people & plants, in addition to architectural elements.  

Thanks to Arlene & Sue for posting links to Agnes & Lenka--Inspirational!
Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA 

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Re: [lace] lace tablecloth?

[Jane Bawn]

If, like me, you don't speak German you can read the Google translated version 
here http://www.tiny.cc/CxgtJ 
it's not brilliant, and some words don't translate at all, but it helps you to 
understand how she created her masterpiece. Unfortunately you won't be able to 
enlarge the photos using this link so go back to the link below to view the 
larger photos.

Hope this helps

Jane
Hampshire UK


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Subject: [lace] lace tablecloth?


 http://www.kloeppeln-am-meer.de/
 
 click on GALLERY
 click on TAGEBUCH EINER DECKE
 
 and marvel at the pictures.
 
 
 Jenny Brandis
 Kununurra, Western Australia
 
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Fw: Re: [lace] Le Pompe laces

[Jane Bawn]

 Are you referring to the Margaret Laton Jacket
 
 http://elizabethancostume.net/va/jacket.html 
 
 this link shows lace attached to a jacket from 1610, it rang bells as soon as
 you mentioned a jacket with metallic lace.
 
 Jane
 Hampshire
 UK
 
 
 
 An example of this
  relates to something very much relevant to Ellen's pioneering - the VA has 
  a
  picture of Amy Latham in an embroidered jacket with metallic lace trim - a
  ninepin type edge with spangles - and a very similar jacket.  Someone, and
 again
  I'm afraid I've forgotten who, copied it and was not too sure how to place 
  the
  spangles, which were not that visible in the picture, and had not all 
  survived
  on the lace.  She found by experiment that the most plausible reconstruction
  could  be made with all the spangles on one bobbin!
   
   
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[lace-chat] Tracking Santa as he travels round the world

[Jane Bawn]

Just in case any wants to track santa on his way  here is a website which
gives continual updates.
http://www.noradsanta.org/en/default.php


Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays*  to everyone and I hope you all have a happy
time.

*delete as applicable :-)

(polically incorrect)Jane
 Portchester UK

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RE: [lace] Lace dye

[Jane Bawn]

Joy Beeson wrote
For information about dyes, the Dharma website 
http://www.dharmatrading.com/  is always the first resort.

Unfortunately they do not ship to the UK


I think the dyes are mainly for bought or machine made lace.  This was
showcased in a quilt called the Colour Purple by Jenny Haskins
http://www.ericas.com/colourpurple.htm

I'm a bit old fashioned.  I don't mind tinkering with bought or machine made
lace but when I have spent hours on a piece of hand made lace I think I
would be too nervous to consider dyeing it.


Jane
Hants
UK

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RE: [lace] Repeated emails

[Jane Bawn]

Thank goodness for that I thought I was going barmy.  Or de ja vue. or
something.

Jane
Hants UK

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Sent: 07 December 2005 08:52
To: Lace
Subject: [lace] Repeated emails


Is anyone else getting emails from lace that they've already
received a few
days previously? I've been experiencing 'groundhog day' on and off for the
past few days.

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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[lace-chat] FW: dearly departed

[Jane Bawn]

Don't think I have seen this here before
hope no one is offended.


 
 After being nearly snowbound for two weeks last
 winter, a Seattle man departed for his vacation in
 Miami Beach, where he was to meet his wife the next
 day at the conclusion of her business trip to
 Minneapolis. They were looking forward to pleasant
 weather and a nice time together. Unfortunately, there
 was some sort of mix up at the boarding gate, and the
 man was told he would have to wait for a later flight.
 He tried to appeal to a supervisor but was told the
 airline was not responsible for the problem and it
 would do no good to complain.
 
 Upon arrival at the hotel the next day, he discovered
 that Miami Beach was having a heat wave, and its
 weather was almost as uncomfortably hot as Seattle's
 was cold. The desk clerk gave him a message that his
 wife would arrive as planned. He could hardly wait to
 get to the pool area to cool off, and quickly sent his
 wife an e-mail, but due to his haste, he made an error
 in the e-mail address.
 
 His message therefore arrived at the home of an
 elderly preacher's wife whose even older husband had
 died only the day before. When the grieving widow
 opened her e-mail, she took one look at the monitor,
 let out an anguished scream, and fell to the floor
 dead. Her family rushed to her room where they saw
 this message on the screen:
 
 Dearest wife,
 
 Departed yesterday as you know. Just now got checked
 in. Some confusion at the gate. Appeal was denied.
 Received confirmation of your arrival tomorrow.
 
 Your loving husband.
 
 P.S. Things are not as we thought. You're going to be
 surprised at how hot it is down here.

Jane
UK

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[lace] Starch

[Jane Bawn]

In case anyone in the UK is interested Sainsbury's are now selling
traditional starch (as opposed to the rubbishy spray stuff) the company has
a website http://www.kershaws-starch.co.uk/.  I don't know what it is like,
I haven't tried it yet but I always preferred to starch my linens and lace
as well as my net curtains with traditional starch and always used to use
the Robin Starch which I haven't seen for years.  This is a 100% natural
product.

 I think there have been discussions before on the fors and against of
starching heirloom linen and lace but can't remember what the final poll
was.

Jane
Portchester UK

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RE: [lace] Belgium trip

[Jane Bawn]

My recommendation would be to make sure you hang on to bags.  We were told
there was a very low to almost non existent crime rate when we went about 10
years ago but I had my handbag stolen.  I had only put it down for a few
seconds while I re balanced the tray i was carrying and when I went to pick
it up again it had gone!  Of course the crime (or lack of) may only reflect
on the residents not the visitors, some of whom fund their travelling around
europe with their ill gotten gains.  I was in Paris last year, we were only
in the hotel 2 nights and at least 3 handbags were stolen.  Now I make sure
that any bags I carry are strapped to me so that I can let go and know they
won't disappear.  I carry a rucksack to contain any purchases but my
passport, money etc is split between a small bag that is strapped around me
and a body belt.

I remember the lace being extremely expensive.  I expect their will be
others who have been more recently who can tell you the best places but
there is plenty to see lace wise and non lace.

Enjoy yourself

Jane
Portchester UK

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 Subject: [lace] Belgium trip


 Hi All -
 I'm planning a trip to Belgium for the end of October/beginning
 of November,
 and would appreciate any recommendations for lace collections or shops I
 should plan to visit, as well as any recommendations you might
 have for places to
 stay, or to avoid.

 Thanks very much!

 Regards,
 Ricki
 Utah

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[lace-chat] Re: coffee and tea preferences

[Jane Bawn]

Tamara wrote:

 I'd meant to ask but forgot when writing my long-winded essay... do
 y'all think there's a correlation between *dedicated* tea/coffee
 drinkers on the one hand and the choice of pets on the other? I don't
 have a pet at the moment (negotiations with DH are slower than
 lacemaking g), but I'm a

 tea and dog lover



Personally I prefer McVities Digestive Biscuits with my tea, great for
dunking :-)))

Jane
Portchester UK

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[lace-chat] Moments in Life

[Jane Bawn]

This was forwarded to me by my best friend. She knows where to hit the spot.
I don't remember seeing it here so I thought it would be good to share.



Moments in Life


There are moments in life when you miss someone so much that you just want
to pick them from your dreams and hug them for real!


When the door of happiness closes, another opens;
but often times we look so long at the
closed door that we don't see the one,
which has been opened for us.


Don't go for looks; they can deceive.
Don't go for wealth; even that fades away.
Go for someone who makes you smile,
because it takes only a smile to
make a dark day seem bright.
Find the one that makes your heart smile.

Dream what you want to dream;
go where you want to go;
be what you want to be,
because you have only one life
and one chance to do all the things
you want to do.

May you have enough happiness to make you sweet,
enough trials to make you strong,
enough sorrow to keep you human and
enough hope to make you happy.

The happiest of people don't necessarily
have the best of everything;
they just make the most of
everything that comes along their way.

The brightest future will always
be based on a forgotten past;
you can't go forward in life until
you let go of your past failures and heartaches.

When you were born, you were crying
and everyone around you was smiling.
Live your life so at the end,
you're the one who is smiling and everyone
around you is crying.


Please send this message
to those who have touched your life in one way or another;
to those who make you smile when you really need it;
to those who make you see the brighter side of things when you are really
down;
to those whose friendship you appreciate;
to those who are so meaningful in your life.


If you don't send it, don't worry,
nothing bad will happen to you; will just miss out on the opportunity
to brighten someone's day with this message!!!

Don't count the years-count the memories...

Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take; but by the moments
that take our breath away!





 Jane
Portchester UK

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[lace-chat] Failure

[Jane Bawn]

Try typing the word *Failure* into your Google search bar and guess who's
name is at the top of the list. :-))

Jane
Portchester UK

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[lace-chat] FW: Some history for you

[Jane Bawn]

 You might have seen this one!!!


This was forwarded to me but not being American or an historian I can't
vouch for these but they seem interesting.  I would be interested to know if
they are correct.



Have a history teacher explain this...if they can


Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.

Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.


Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.
Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.


Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.
Both Presidents were shot in the head.

Now it gets really weird.

Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy.
Kennedy's Secretary was named Lincoln.

Both were assassinated by Southerners.
Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson.

Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.

John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939.

Both assassins were known by their three names.
Both names are composed of fifteen letters.

Now hang on to your seat.

Lincoln was shot at the theater named 'Ford.'
Kennedy was shot in a car called 'Lincoln' made by 'Ford.'

Lincoln was shot in a theater and his assassin ran
and hid in a warehouse.

Kennedy was shot from a warehouse and his assassin ran and hid
in a theater.

Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.

And here's the kicker...

A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe, Maryland
A week before Kennedy was shot, he was with Marilyn Monroe.



Jane
Portchester, UK

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[lace-chat] RE: lace-chat-digest V2005 #133

[Jane Bawn]

Tamara and Weronika

You might be interested in this test.  It takes quite a while to do but is
quite interesting.  There is currently a series running on our BBC regarding
this very thing and this test relates to it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/add_user.shtml

Have fun.

Jane
Portchester UK



 I was uncertain about my orientation at 20:) And, even at 55 (almost
 56), I still think a female form is easier on the eyes than a male one;
 it just doesn't give me as much satisfaction beyond the visual aspect
 g  We grew up being much more relaxed about sex than Americans are -
 Colette and Proust were compulsory reading as early as highschool. And
 we *never* equalled moral and sexual... To us, moral and
 ethical were synonyms, and both extended *waaay past* matters of
 simple sex, which are one of the *components* of morality, but not the
 whole.
   i do girl things too. i love to shop,crochet, knit, crewel, and
  lately bobbin lace.  i also like sewing. quilting, and dance and
  country music,

 Ah, but according to the writer of the article I'd mentioned, most of
 those activities are *not* girly :)

 Shopping is. Or can be.  But that's really the only one which doesn't
 require *systematic* approach... I'm a more masculine shopper than DH
 is... I go (with a list), I see, I conquer, I get the hell outa there.

 He goes, it takes him twice as long, and he comes back with half of the
 stuff I asked him to get, but a bagfull of stuff we don't need (but it
 caught his eye)... It used to drive me up the wall, because it's
 *women* who are supposed to be the nitwits who spend the money without
 thinking (and do everything else without thinking). When I first came
 here, Severn even *warned* me that, coming from a deprived environment,
 I might be tempted to lose my cotton-picking mind and spend, and spend,
 and spend... But I notice that *it's he* - who grew up among all the
 riches - that gets beguiled by non-essentials...


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RE: [lace] Adhesives Blue Vanishing Pen Inks

[Jane Bawn]

It's quite a while since I have made any samplers but I seem to remember the
recommendation was to wash them when they are finished to remove the oils
and perspiration rubbed off from the hands when sewing.  The same would
apply to lace making.  Perspiration can rot fabric overtime, lace is no
different.  Therefore if you are making something that will hopefully become
an heirloom it should be washed when completed.  Unfortunately lace never
seems to look the same once it has been washed and needs something to
crispen it up again and there you have another problem.

Jane
Portchester UK


 Dora Smith
 Sent: 31 July 2005 21:15

 I always wash my samplers in cool water when I'm done, then mild detergent
 (like dish detergent), and the marks always come right out the minute they
 get wet.

 I read somewhere that washing them in detergent sets the ink.   I don't
 remember seeing anything about heat - but who would iron their product
 before washing, blotting, and stretching it?I think possibly some
 packages say all this and some don't.



 From: C. Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 3:09 PM
 
  We forget that an actual washing is truely the finishing of many of the
  textile arts.


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RE: [lace] Waxing thread for bobbin lace

[Jane Bawn]

 Adele Shaak Wrote
 on29 July 2005 01:13
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [lace] Waxing thread for bobbin lace


 If somebody has a piece that was made, say, at least 5-10 years ago,
 that had beeswax on it, it would be interesting to hear from them as to
 the current condition of the piece. I am always very reluctant to put
 *anything* onto my linen threads, since the very first linen doily I
 made turned deep amber brown on the parts where I reinforced my knots
 with fabric glue.

Can you remember what fabric glue you used? I sometime use fray check in
sewing.  My friend uses June Taylors fray stop glue.  I would be interested
to know if any one has any long term experience of either.

Jane
Portchester UK

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RE: [lace] Very very unusual Bobbins on ebay

[Jane Bawn]

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
 Jenny Brandis
 Sent: 29 May 2005 03:27
 To: lace@arachne.com
 Subject: Re: [lace] Very very unusual Bobbins on ebay
 
 
 The only comment I can make is that I like the way this person displays 
 their items. All of their ebay items are nicely displayed with suitable 
 samples eg: tatting shuttle next to some tatting, crochet hook 
 next to some 
 crochet. I like the little bit of thought and time that has gone into 
 displaying the items at their best, in a sympathetic environment. Much 
 nicer than the blurry, too far away shots you can find there.
 



All the better to entice you and lull you into a false sense of security!?


Jane Bawn
Portchester UK

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[lace] Paper bobbins

[Jane Bawn]

For the newbies who are interested there is a description of how to make
paperbobbins on Brenda Paternoster's website.

http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/lace/paperbobbin/paperbobbin.html

Sorry if I am duplicating but don't remember seeing this being posted.




Jane
Portchester UK

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[lace-chat] FW: Dogs and Cats

[Jane Bawn]

 As seen in a dog's diary:

8am - Oh Boy! Dog food! My favourite!

9am - Oh Boy! A car ride! My favourite...

10am - Oh Boy! A walk! My favourite!

11am - Oh Boy! A car ride! My favourite!

Noon - Oh Boy! The kids! Yaaay great fun!

1pm - Oh Boy! The yard! My favourite!

3pm - Oh Boy! More kids! Excellent!

4pm - Oh Boy! Dog food! My favourite!

5pm - Oh Boy! Mum! Brilliant!

7pm - Oh Boy! Playing ball! My favourite!

9pm - Oh Boy! Sleeping in master's bed! Yippee!

As seen in a cat's diary:

Day 183 of my captivity...

My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects.

They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while I am forced to eat dry cereal.

The only thing that keeps me going is the hope of escape, and the mild
satisfaction I get from ruining the occasional piece of furniture.

Tomorrow I may eat another house plant. Today my attempt to kill my captors
by weaving around their feet while they were walking almost succeeded - must
try this at the top of the stairs.

In an attempt to disgust and repulse these vile oppressors, I once again
induced myself to vomit on their favourite chair - must try this on their
bed.

Decapitated a mouse and brought them the headless body, in an attempt to
make them aware of what I am capable of, and to try to strike fear into
their hearts. They only cooed and condescended about what a good little Cat
I was. Hmmm, not working according to plan.

There was some sort of gathering of their accomplices. I was placed in
solitary throughout the event. However, I could hear the noise and smell the
food. More importantly I overheard that my confinement was due to MY power
of allergies. Must learn what this is and how to use it to my advantage.

I am convinced the other captives are flunkies and maybe snitches. The dog
is routinely released and seems more than happy to return. He is obviously a
half-wit. The bird on the other hand has got to be an informant, and speaks
with them regularly. I am certain he reports my every move. Due to his
current placement in the metal room, his safety is assured.

But I can wait, it is only a matter of time...




Jane Bawn
Portchester UK

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RE: [lace] Convention-help bookmarks

[Jane Bawn]

And there is always the idea of providing DIY kits providing you can find
some kind soul to offer their pattern copyright free for the purpose.

Jane
Portchester UK

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
 Bev Walker
 Sent: 29 April 2005 06:18
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: re: [lace] Convention-help bookmarks


 Hi Vasna and everyone

 I will try to 'whip up' a couple of bookmarks for you, although I have
 much else to do - and you know that saying, so many laces, so little
 time...At this point, if you are short 200 -my free advice is for you to
 have a Plan B, something you can assemble more quickly than it takes the
 average lacemaker to make a bookmark (whatever that might be - is this
 helping?) that is equal to a handmade bookmark, not too expensive to make
 and will save last minute fretting.

 For instance, colour photocopy some really nice, ambitious bookmarks or
 other laces, paste the colour copies to stiff card, attach a fancy tassel.
 The tassel can mimic the finish to a bookmark; a jazzy passementerie of
 thread and beads; or in the form of a 'spangle' of beads.

 Free idea, use it if you like.
 --
 bye for now
 Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)
 Cdn. floral bobbins
 www.woodhavenbobbins.com

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[lace-chat] Re: Credit Cards.

[Jane Bawn]

 and now, the latest thing is that shops, businesses etc may pass on
 the % fee they are charged by the card company, onto the customer, so
 your goods may cost an extra 3%.

Some of our shops used to do it; sometimes for all purchases, sometimes
only for small-amount purchases. But I haven't seen it done in years;
people were refusing to use the credit card in their stores, but they
had to pay a fee to the issuer anyway.


I can't remember which company it is (either John Lewis or Debenhams) add at
the bottom of their credit card receipts that a portion of the credit card
bill  includes a 3?% credit card charge.  (It is not in addition to but is
part of the original bill). I discovered that this was itemised because VAT
is not charged on credit card fees.  Therefore if you buy something for say
£ 10.00 with your credit card, there is an in built credit card charge of 30
pence.  You still only pay £ 10.00 but they can claw back the VAT element
hidden in the 30 pence credit charge.  Crafty!   Not a lot you might think.
But take that figure and then multiply it by the millions of pounds turnover
they do per year and it adds up to quite a significant sum.  I have noticed
other companies doing it, H Samual (the jewellers), PC World, for example;
probably for the same reasons.   Although I think they may be owned by the
same ultimate company.  I think customs are having a bit of a winge about it
and they are actually challenging it so it may alter in the future.


Incidently at the moment, in this country at any rate, shops are not allowed
to pass on the credit card charges to customers its part of the terms and
conditions of running a credit card facility in your company.




Jane Bawn
Portchester UK

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[lace-chat] RE: [lace] Re: embroidered stamp

[Jane Bawn]

Yippee!  It's arrived!  Thanks ever so much Tamara.  I have wanted this
stamp ever since I have known of its existence.  The decision now is whether
to put it in my stamp album or with all my lace memorabilia.  I'll decide
once I have shown it to everyone. :-)  My mum, who is 79 is constantly
amazed when I tell her about the internet and the people I meet there and
how kind and friendly everyone is.  When I told her I had won a raffle with
someone I had never met, who lived in another country she couldn't quite
comprehend it. g  So she'll be especially pleased to see it.


Best wishes and thanks again



Jane
Portchester UK

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking classes

[Jane Bawn]

 I asked her to explain, as I just could not understand what she
 was saying.
 She got very red and agitated and said she was not allowed to
 give advice, I
 must speak to my line manager. I repeated that I was not asking
 for advice,
 but did not understand, she just said that her time was up and
 scuttled off
 to Dressmaking!

 I have asked my manager to explain it all when she gets her report.
 Apparently I will be graded, but not permitted to know my grade!

 Its like some sort of secret society.

Far be it from me to advise you regarding your job but you might like to
have a read of the Freedom of Information Act which was first introduced in
2000
http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/2036.htm   and which has now been
updated  and fully implemented to include the General Right of Access for
all Information by public authorities which only came into force in January
this year. http://www.cfoi.org.uk/foi311204pr.html


You will have to check the facts but I believe that providing you only want
information about yourself and you submit the request in writing you are
entitled to find out information that is kept on file about yourself and
they must submit it to you within 20 working days.

Non Illegitimi Carborundum
(Don't let the B*ds Grind You)


Best of luck
Jane Bawn
PortchesterUK

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RE: [lace] lace ufo's

[Jane Bawn]

You may or may not have noticed that lace suppliers supply linen thread in
varying shades of white.  I was told by one supplier that eventually
(through age and washing) it will all end up the same colourOmo white.
I love linen and the little bit of research I have done has shown that he is
correct.  Back in the days of yor when they made their own soap (rather than
nipping down to the local supermarket for a packet of best biological), they
would dry their linens on bushes in the sunshine ,  this was so the sun
could bleach it.   All the linen I have had no matter how dingy or
discoloured, just gets whiter the more its washed.  And it loves to be
washed so don't be afraid.  Just one point to note, when you wash it don't
tug it too much to straighten it out, wait until it is nearly dry..linen
is at its weakest when it is wet..ask me how I know g


Jane Bawn
in Snowless Portchester UK




 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
 Jenny Barron
 Sent: 26 February 2005 14:56
 To: lace
 Subject: [lace] lace ufo's


 Hi, I'm slowly progressing with my longest running UFO - pattern
 no 8 from Syllabus Grof (Brugs) Bloemwerk by Sonia
 Vanoosterwijck, that's the Bruges mat on the cover - which I
 started on 1/1/2000. I did a bit of the middle motif that year
 and for one reason or other shelved it but have now finished the
 middle motif and an working the flowers etc that surround it. I'm
 doing it in Bockens 50/2 linen in white. I've just been working
 in daylight for the first time and noticed a difference in the
 lace I made 5 years ago and the flower I just finished. The new
 flower is bright white and the older lace is not, I'd say it has
 a creamier colour now, not yellowish though.

 Would that be an oxidation/natural aging process do you think? It
 was covered well when I wasn't working on it so I'm assuming it's
 not exposure to light. I'm hoping that as I work it -maybe
 finishing it at some pointg all the thread will end up the same
 shade. It's not nearly obvious enough for me to abandon it but
 I'm curious.

 jenny barron
 Scotland

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[lace-chat] FW: Seven Wonders of the World

[Jane Bawn]

Something to make you think



 THE SEVEN WONDERS OF THE WORLD
 
  A group of students were asked to list what 
 they thought were the present
  Seven Wonders of the World. Though there 
 were some disagreements,
  the following received the most votes:
 
 
  1. Egypt's Great Pyramids
 
  2. Taj Mahal
 
  3. Grand Canyon
 
  4. Panama Canal
 
  5. Empire State Building
 
  6. St. Peter's Basilica
 
  7. China's Great Wall
 
  While gathering the votes, the teacher noted 
 that one student
  had not finished her paper yet. So she 
 asked the girl if
  she was having trouble with her list. The 
 girl replied,
  Yes, a little. I couldn't quite make up my 
 mind because there were so many.
 
  The teacher said, Well, tell us what you 
 have, and maybe we can help.
 
  The girl hesitated, then read, I think the
  'Seven Wonders of the World' are:
 
 
 
 
 
  1. To See
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  2. To Hear
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  3. To Touch
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  4. To Taste
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  5. To Feel
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  6. To Laugh
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  7. And to Love.
 
 
 
 
  The room was so quiet you could have heard a 
 pin drop.
  The things we overlook as simple and 
 ordinary and that
  we take for granted are truly wondrous!
 
  A gentle reminder --
  that the most precious things in life
  cannot be built by hand or bought by man
 
 
Jane Bawn
in freezing Portchester UK

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FW: [lace] Re: Tracey Emin's bed

[Jane Bawn]

 Stick with me on this one it does have a point.
 
 My boyfriend's ex wife is an artist and while she was studying 
 for her degree in fine art he was dragged to all sorts of so 
 called art exhibitions.  One exhibition he went  to the artist 
 of a particular display invited his comments.  Needless to say he 
 told him exactly what he thought of it (it might have been a 
 display of rotting apple cores, or was that another exhibition, 
 can't remember) anyway the artist turned round and said that was 
 great because he had provoked a response and that was his 
 ultimate aim - to get people to reacte to his art and it didn't 
 matter which way they reacted.
 
 My point being that despite the fact the Tracey Emin's Bed was 
 displayed several years ago, together with the fact it has been 
 destroyed in a fire a couple of years ago, here we are still 
 discussing it. I have been reluctant to voice my comments on this 
 particular subject to avoid giving the artist what she wants but 
 I think it has just about run its course now can we please get 
 back to more interesting subjects like  lace, which even in it's 
 most primitive form AKA bandage it is far more interesting than 
 Tracy's bed will ever be.  Because it the bandage represents 
 the faltering steps a toddler might make when starting to walk, 
 and we all know that once gotten past that stage the world is our 
 oyster regarding lace.  Has anyone ever made a list of all the 
 different types of bobbinlace there are.  I dont mean the main 
 ones like Torchon, Bucks etc. I'm talking about all the off 
 shoots.  There have been so many discussions on laces that I have 
 never heard of it would be interesting to see a list of them all, 
 maybe sectioned in to the areas they most respesent or look familiar to.
 
 Jane in Dull and Wet Portchester UK
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
  Tamara P. Duvall
  Sent: 11 February 2005 03:09
  To: lace Arachne
  Subject: [lace] Re: Tracey Emin's bed
  
  
  On Feb 10, 2005, at 7:57, Mary L. Tod wrote:
  
   At 8:52 AM + 2/10/05, Jean Nathan wrote:
   Nicky wrote:
  
   Oh what a relief, I'm clearly not the only one that thinks this 
   piece of
   trash - take that how you will (didn't it also list on the bed cover 
   all the
   men she'd slept with?) 
  
   She did an embroidery of the names of all the men she'd 
 slept with as 
   a
   separate work of art. A lot of embroidery is wonderful, but this 
   wasn't.
   There's really been some absolute rubbish classed as art, 
   particulatly for
   the Turner Prize - like Damien Hirst's (sp?) half a sheep/cow? in
   formaldehyde (just show how impressed I was with that) or the empty 
   room
   with a light switch for the viewer to turn on.
 

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[lace] Re: progress/thread

[Jane Bawn]

Clay Blackwell wrote:-
Sat, 05 Feb 2005 05:54:25 -0800


When you begin your work, you hang your
bobbins on temporary pins and bring them in as you need them.  After
working a row or two, you remove the temporary pin and snug the threads up.


The trick is remembering to snug the threads up after only working a row or
two instead of remembering when you have done an inch or two by which time
it is too late!Ask me how I know. g


Jane Bawn
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[lace-chat] Memory Lapses Anyone?

[Jane Bawn]

Can't remember if this has been on the list before but if it has put it down
to a mental aberration on my part!


Those of us who occasionally have had lapses of recall gave them the anodyne
title 'Senior Moments'.
That however was seen as ageist and so 'Intellectual Interludes' - was
substituted and we had a short period
of being flattered by an implication of having intellect, albeit subject to
short absences of mind.
But the PC worm has turned and we are now referred to as suffering from the
CRAFT Syndrome.

CRAFT?   Oh yes, it is indeed a mnemonic to help us avoid forgetting it.


It stands for Can't Remember a Flipping Thing!



Jane Bawn ( who has more CRAFT moments than she cares to remember g)
Portchester UK

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RE: [lace] Chair Bodgers

[Jane Bawn]

A chair bodger was someone (at least around the 17th C) who went from
village to village making chairs and other furniture from local wood
recently cut down.  Unfortunately because the wood hadn't been allowed to
season, when the wood dried out the chair legs used to fall out of their
sockets.  Hence the term a bodged job.  Or a makeshift job is termed a bodge
up.

See, I did remember something from my visit to the recreated 17th century
village which is just a few miles from my home.   It 'is' slightly lace
related as they have lace demonstrators there on their open days, and a page
on their website dedicated to lace making.

http://www.portsdown.demon.co.uk/village.htm


Jane Bawn
Portchester UK





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 W  N Lafferty
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 To: Lace
 Subject: [lace] Chair Bodgers


 While browsing through Pamela Nottinghams Technique of
 Torchon Lace I came across this fascinating phrase:

 Of little interest to the collector are the small wooden bobbins
 turned on pole lathes by the chair
 bodgers in the Chiltern Hills.

 Brian, or anyone else who knows, what's a chair bodger?

 Noelene in Cooma
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[lace-chat] Re: 'moly'

[Jane Bawn]

So is this of the same genus as the Holy Moly g


Joy wrote:


 No wonder it wasn't in your dictionaries!  Mine says that moly is
 a mythical
 herb with a black root and milk-white flowers that Hermes gave to
 Odysseus.

 It also says that a European wild garlic that is cultivated for its yellow
 flowers has been named after it.

 ???  Man, English don't make no sense.  At least they are both herbs.
 Though I don't think that a wild garlic would have sprigs to pick
 *or* lick.
 So the characters must have had a source of the mythical plant.



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[lace-chat] Death of a very important person

[Jane Bawn]

With all the sadness and trauma going on in the world at
   the moment, it is worth reflecting on the death of a very
   important person which almost went unnoticed last week.

   Larry La Prise, the man who wrote The Hokey Kokey, died
   peacefully at age 93. The most traumatic part for his family
   was getting him into the coffin. They put his left leg in and
   then the trouble started.



Jane in Portchester UK

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[lace-chat] Top Tips

[Jane Bawn]

Forwarded from a Golf list with a few words deleted!

 1. If a small child is choking on an ice cube, don't
 panic. Simply pour a jug of boiling water down its throat and hey presto!
 The blockage is almost instantly removed.

 2. A mousetrap, placed on top of your alarm clock
 will prevent you from going back to sleep.

 3. Clumsy? Avoid cutting yourself while slicing
 vegetables by getting someone else to hold them while you chop away.

 4. Keep the seat next to you on the train vacant by
 smiling and nodding at people as they walk up the aisle.

 5. Weight watchers. Avoid that devilish temptation to
 nibble at the chocolate bar in the cupboard or fridge by not buying
 any in the first place.

 6. Save on booze by drinking cold tea instead of whisky. The following
morning you can create the effects of a hangover
 by drinking a thimble full of washing up liquid and banging your head
 repeatedly on the wall.

 7. Recreate the fun of a visit to a public swimming
 pool in your own home by filling the bath with cold water, adding two
 bottles of bleach, then urinating into it, before jumping in.

 8. Don't buy expensive 'ribbed' cond*ms, just buy an
 ordinary one and slip a handful of frozen peas inside it before you put
 it on.

 9. X-Files fans. Create the effect of being abducted
 by aliens by drinking two bottles of vodka. You'll invariably wake
 up in a strange place the following morning; having had your memory
 mysteriously 'erased'.

 10. Don't waste money buying expensive binoculars.
 Simply stand closer to what you want to look at.

 11. Putting just the right amount of gin in your
 goldfish bowl makes the fishes' eyes bulge and cause them to swim in an
 amusing manner.

 12. Save time when crossing a one-way street by only
 looking in the direction of oncoming traffic.

 13. Thicken up runny low-fat yoghurt by stirring in a
 spoonful of lard.

 14. Anorexics, when your knees become fatter than your
 legs, start eating cakes again.

 15. A next door neighbour's car aerial, carefully
 folded, makes an ideal coat hanger in an emergency.

 16. Hijackers. Avoid a long stressful siege and the
 risk of arrest, imprisonment or death by simply making sure you book a
 flight to your intended destination in the first place.

 17. An empty aluminium cigar tube filled with angry
 wasps makes an inexpensive vibrator.

 18. Olympic athletes. Disguise the fact that you've
 taken anabolic steroids by running a bit slower.

 19. Avoid arguments with the missus about lifting the
 loo seat by simply p*ssing in the sink.

 20. Vegetarians coming to dinner? Simply serve them a
 nice bit of steak or veal. Since they're always going on about how tofu,
 Quorn, meat substitute etc 'tastes exactly like the real thing',
 they won't know any difference.

 21. Invited by vegetarians for dinner? Point out that
 since you'd no doubt be made aware of their special dietary
 requirements, tell them about yours, and ask for a nice steak.

 22. Spice up your sex life by trying a bit of 'rodeo
 s*x'. Take your missus from behind and, holding on tightly to her
 jugs, call her by the wrong name. See how long you can 'stay mounted' for.

 23. Before attempting to remove stubborn stains from a
 garment always circle the stain in permanent pen so that when you
 remove the garment from the washing machine you can easily locate the
 area of the stain and check that it has gone.

 24. Have all your dumps at work. Not only will you
 save money on toilet paper, but you'll also be getting paid for it

Jane Bawn
Portchester UK

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[lace-chat] ANSWERING MACHINE IN A PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL

[Jane Bawn]

Have you ever telephoned a company and got a computerised voice telling you
which number to press?  This was sent to me by my DB (dear boyfriend) from a
golf list.

ANSWERING MACHINE IN A PSYCHIATRIC HOSPITAL


“Hello and welcome to the Mental Health Hot Line.

If you are obsessive-compulsive, press 1 repeatedly

If you are co-dependent, please ask someone to press 2 for you.

If you have multiple personalities, please press 4,5 and 6.

If you are paranoid, we know who you are and what you want.  Stay on the
line so we can trace the call.

If you are delusional, press 7 and your call will be transferred to the
mother ship.

If you are schizophrenic, listen carefully and a small voice will tell you
which number to press.

If you are a manic-depressive, it doesn’t matter which number you press, no
one will answer.

If you have bipolar disorder, please leave a message after the beep or
before the beep, or after the beep.  Please wait for the beep.

If you have short term memory loss, please press 9.  If you have short term
memory loss, please press 9.  If you have short term memory loss, please
press 9.  If you have short term memory loss, please press 9.

If you have low self esteem, please hang up.  All operators are too busy to
talk to you.

If you are menopausal, hang up, turn on the fan, lie down and cry.  You won’
t be crazy for ever.


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RE: [lace] Intent of copyright law

[Jane Bawn]

So are you saying we will be seeing fewer and fewer websites of other
arachneans completed lace pieces, to inspire and spur us to create our own
masterpieces, simply because the owners of said websites are unable (or
can't be bothered/no time) to track down the authors of the books the lace
came fromto ask their permission.  If those websites had not been created I
doubt very much that those same people would have published a booklet due to
the complexities of book publishing not to mention cost. Publishing to the
web in this way may be considered mass-production, it could also be
considered free advertising.  I am sure there are people who have seen
websites with completed pieces displayed who have then gone out and bought
the book in order to create the design themselves. i.e I, having looked at
all the Milanese lace I went out and bought a Milanese book.  I have still
yet to make any, but at least I have got the book ready for when I get round
to itg.  Likewise I quite liked the chrysanthemum lace I saw a while ago,
I haven't bought *that* book simply because I thought I had enough on my
plate to cope with, but as and when I get time I will probably buy a book on
that as well.

This particular part of this topic is something of interest to me as I had
been considering creating a website to put my little bits and pieces on,
none of which were created out of my head and some pieces were created so
long ago I can't remember where I got them from without going through all
the books and booklets I have collected over the years and borrowed from the
library.  So maybe I won't bother.  Who are the winners then!  If I do
create a website I won't actually gain anything from it apart from the
experience of creating a website,  and maybe one or two acknowledgements,
any authors I named might possibly get some benefit..  If I don't create a
website then nothing happens and no one gets anything. I think I'm rambling.
Its late so I'll shut up.  Just hit the delete key.




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 Panza, Robin
 Sent: 26 August 2004 15:05
 To: Arachne (E-mail)
 Subject: RE: [lace] Intent of copyright law


 As the one who has been most vocal on this point, I have to say
 again--there's never been any claim that you can't show your work to your
 friends.  However, publishing to the web is mass-production and
 comes under
 copyright restrictions.  If someone published a book of their work, with
 detailed photos of the pieces they did from others' patterns,
 would that not
 be infringement?  Do you really think the publisher would accept the job
 without permission from the designers?  Do you really think the
 author could
 win in court using the argument, I was just showing my work to
 my friends?


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RE: [lace] political statements

[Jane Bawn]

I couldn't make sense of this email.  In fact I was so concerned I had
missed some emails that I went to the lace archives and couldn't find
anything there either.

Jane
Portchester UK

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 Yes, this one didn't make sense to me either!!   So either I'm
 also missing
 emails, or different people have differing ideas of what
 constitutes political
 comment.

 Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia)

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RE: [lace] re mooring the corners of lace patterns

[Jane Bawn]

Hi Sally

I thought your idea was very good and certainly not laughable and your lace
is beautiful.   I was very interested though at what you were making at the
Kancentrum.  I went there as a visitor some years back but have never been
for a course.  Tell us more about the course, what you were making, the
teachers, value for money compared to other courses you may have been on,
etc etc

Jane
Portchester UK

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 Subject: [lace] re mooring the corners of lace patterns


 My drawing of anchoring the corners of a lace pattern with
 threads is on my
 web site:
 http://home.gci.net/~sally/  Click on Sally's lace at the bottom of the
 list.  I think this is going to be the day of The Laugh That
 Travelled Round
 the Lace World in 80 Seconds.  So I'm not Leonardo Da Vinci!

 Sally Schoenberg
 Anchorage Alaska

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RE: [lace] Straw vs ethafoam

[Jane Bawn]

I have read this thread with interest and noted that no one has yet
mentioned one draw back of the straw pillows and that is the little visitors
that sometimes appear when using them.  I personally have not experienced
this but know of a couple of people who have had to throw theirs out because
they (the pillows) became infested with insects that had hatched? in the
warmth of their homes.  I seem to remember some years ago there being a
mention of it in Lace magazine.  I think the article suggested it was
possible to bake the pillow in the oven at a certain temperature to kill the
bugs but you would have to be very careful to avoid spontaneous combustion,
alternatively you could put it in the freezer inside a plastic bag for a
week or two.  The only problem then is that you would have a pillow with
loads of little dead bodies in it. Yuk!  I have probably still got the
article if anyone is particularly interested but it would take a while to
find it.   Anyone who has a straw pillow and not looked at it lately would
be advised to check it.  If you have had it for a few years without problems
then you are probably OK.  I think the problem only arises when the straw in
its original state is contaminated with eggs at source.

Having said that I have a straw roller pillow, cookie pillow and honiton
pillow all of which I love but don't get to use very often.  The weight of
the honiton pillow means it stays in place when working on it.  I would
imagine a polystyrene pillow would have a tendency to move around. JMHO.
There is also a slight dried grass smell that eminates from them which I
like but could possibly cause problems if anyone was allergic.  And to add
to the other thread on pillows I also have 2 block polystyrene pillows which
I made and 2 cookie polystyrene pillows.

Jane,
Portchester UK

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 Sent: 17 July 2004 18:54
 To: Clare Settle; Lace list
 Subject: [lace] Straw vs ethafoam


 As a total novice, I notice that many intermediate and experts have a
 mixture of both ethafoam and straw pillows.

 I'm wondering which pillows you prefer, and why.  I know that the ethafoam
 can become worn easier after much use with the pins.  Is it the same with
 the straw, or does the straw tend to 'regroup' better after being
 used over
 and over with the pins.




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RE: [lace] Website translation OT

[Jane Bawn]

I must apologise.  It would appear that my emails are going round the world
about 10 times before finally landing in the arachne postbox.  I am
receiving my sent emails back approximately 10days after sending them and
are therefore now off topic and probably not making an awful lot of sense.
Sorry. Just hit the delete button.This link was originally meant to help
you in deciphering the foreign websites i.e. www.athdentelle.be

Jane
Portchester UK

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 Sent: 16 May 2004 18:30
 To: Lace (Arachne)
 Subject: [lace] Website translation


 Sorry try this one http://world.altavista.com/  for other languages


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RE: [lace] lace-exhibition and new website

[Jane Bawn]

If you go to http://world.altavista.com/babelfish/tr
and type the website in the section where it says Translate a web page and
then click which language from and to which in this case is French to
English you will be able to read it all in English (mostly).  You can do
this for any foreign website providing they have the translation.  (They
dont translate Danish so I wasn't able to read about the wedding.)

Unfortunately you will still be none the wiser as it translates The strange
instrument of Domenica.  but at least you will be able to read the
other text contained within the website.

I too would be interested in what it is as it sparked my curiosty when I saw
it.  The lace on the site is very beautiful.  I especially like the musical
instruments and I'm not musical.

Jane
Portchester UK



Lorri wrote:

 Can you tell us what the lacer is doing in the picture:
 L'etrange instrument de Dominique  in the section 'Dentellieres'.

 The site is beautiful, and very well done.  I wish I could read the
 captions.

 Lorri



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[lace] RE: Check out Cathleen Belleville for chrysanthemum lace

[Jane Bawn]

Thanks to all who pointed me to Cathleen's website.  the lace is really
pretty another book to add to my list of wants methinks.

Jane Bawn
Portchester UK
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  Subject: Check out Cathleen Belleville for chrysanthemum lace


  Try this to find out about it.  You can order her book if you are
interested from the site, and she doesn't charge postage even from the
States as she says she still makes more on the ones she sells direct than
through suppliers or Amazon.I can recommend her book as I have it and
use it, and so do some of my students (have their own copies and use them, I
mean).  I think the last ones I got cost about £16 but it depends on the
exchange rate.

  She has also got another new lace, details on the site.
  Click here: Cathleen Belleville

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[lace-chat] Smile

[Jane Bawn]

I've not seen this one before, it appeared on another list I am on and I
thought my Arachne friends might find it amusing.

One day, a seamstress was sewing while sitting close to a river when her
thimble fell into the river. When she cried out, the Lord appeared and
asked, Why are you crying?

The seamstress replied that her thimble had fallen into the water, and she
needed the thimble to make her living.

The Lord went down into the water and reappeared with a golden thimble. Is
this your thimble? the Lord asked.

The seamstress replied, No.

The Lord again went down and came up with a wooden thimble. Is this your
thimble? the Lord asked.

Again, the seamstress replied, No.

The Lord went down again and came up with a silver thimble. Is this your
thimble? the Lord asked.

The seamstress replied, Yes.

The Lord was pleased with the woman's honesty and gave her all three
thimbles to keep, and the seamstress went home happy.

Some time later, the seamstress was walking with her husband along the
riverbank, and her husband fell into the river. When she cried out, the Lord
again appeared and asked her, Why are you crying?

Oh, Lord, my husband has fallen into the water!

The Lord went down into the water and came up with Mel Gibson. Is this your
husband? the Lord asked.

Yes! cried the seamstress.

The Lord was furious. You lied! That is an untruth!

The seamstress replied, Oh, forgive me, my Lord. It is a misunderstanding.
You see, if I had said 'no' to Mel Gibson, you would have come up with Tom
Cruise. Then if I said 'no' to him, you would have come up with my husband.
Had I then said 'yes,' you would have given me all three. Lord, I am a poor
woman and am not able to take care of all three husbands, so that's why I
said 'yes' to Mel Gibson.

The moral of this story is: Whenever a woman lies, it is for a good and
honorable reason, and for the benefit of others.



Jane Bawn
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[lace-chat] Re: Pictures (was Heather's Phone Call)

[Jane Bawn]

On May 8, 2004, at 16:43, H. Muth (Heather) wrote:

 I like having the voice and the photo to go along with the letters
 from Arachnids.  I 'hear' them when I read their writings.  I have a
 picture of Bev Walker in my mind whenever she writes.  And any others
 I have met or heard or of whom I have seen pictures.  It just adds to
 the daily Arachne dose.

I know what you mean Heather having been to www.lacefairy.com and seen a lot
of the faces attached to the most familiar names on this list I find I have
the face in mind when I read their messages it must be nice to be able to
attach the voice also.

I'm born and bred Portsmouth but English speaking foreigners tend to think I
come from London.  Huh! an me that speaks the Queen's English don't you
know. NOT! LOL

Jane Bawn
Portchester, UK
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[lace-chat] RE: Lace Guild Magazine

[Jane Bawn]

Liz wrote:

Am I wrong in thinking that there should have been an April UK Lace Guild
Magazine?  If so, did anyone get one?


Mine came this morning but I wanted to see what all my arachne friends were
saying first :-) so haven't read it yet.

Jane Bawn
Portchester UK

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[lace-chat] RE: St Georges Day

[Jane Bawn]

Also,  I don't know about other countries but in this country to fly the
Union Jack or just the England flag we have to have local planning
permission.  the only time this rule was relaxed was during the Queens
jubilee when so many people were flying the Union Jack it would have been
impossible to police, so the authorities turned a blind eye!!!

Jane Bawn
Portchester UK


 Nicky wrote:

 question is who are the ones being racist?  why one rule for one and
 another for the home country?


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RE: [lace] New Pictures - Other lace - Tatting

[Jane Bawn]

Hi Steph,

I have been to your site and have bookmarked the page and intend to go back
and have a go later on when I have finished my piece of lace.  I have too
many projects on the go at the moment to concentrate on it properly.  It
never ceases to amaze me just how much information is collectively held by
the arachneans on this list.

Best Regards

Jane Bawn
Portchester UK



Yes, my website has a section about the tatted Cluny leaves, including how
to make them and a beginners project to use them.
http://www.sandbenders.demon.co.uk/tatting/clintro.htm
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RE: [lace] Re: lace scissors

[Jane Bawn]

You could try Tim Parker http://www.cyberlink.co.uk/timparker/sundries.html
they're called carrickmacross scissors ?3.75   I've got a pair and they have
a little lip/bump at the end of one blade to enable you to lift the
cordonnet? so that you can get at the thread that attaches it to the backing
to cut it.  I don't get on with them very well and prefer my curved
scissors.  But I expect they will come in useful if I do any more
Carrickmacross g



On Apr 12, 2004, at 11:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Liz Beecher) wrote:

 Somewhere in the move my lace scissors have gone west - they are the
 type
 with the bump on one end of one of the blades.

 Does anyone know where I can get a pair in the UK either by mail or
 from a
 shop?

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[lace] New Pictures - Other lace - Tatting

[Jane Bawn]

Loved all the new pictures.  I have dabbled in needlelaces so can appreciate
the work involved.  I was particularly interested in the tatting showing the
oval leaves imitating the leaf tally common in Cluny bobbin lace.   I have
never seen this before in tatting and would be interested in knowing how it
is done.  I have several books on the subject but they don't show this
technique. Are there any websites that show this technique in more detail?
Jane Bawn
Portchester UK


Hi everybody!
I've posted some new pictures on my website on the pages
http://www.loreleihalley.com/needlelace.htm  and

http://www.loreleihalley.com/otherlace.htm

There are needlelaces by Alix Hengen of Luxembourg, Hardanger by Maxine
Diffey of New Zealand and Janet Bingle of Illinois, and filet lacis by June
Swinford.   Have a LOOK SEE!
Lorelei

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Subject: [lace-chat] Programmers or killers?

[Jane Bawn]

I got seven out of ten too, but wrongly convicted two programmers (erring on
the side of caution) and would only have been dead once (which is all you
need to be)  :-)

I have found this a really interesting test and have sent this to several
people I know.  Thanks for the linkTamara.

Jane Bawn
Portchester UK
 



Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:55:56 -
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Subject: [lace-chat] Programmers or killers?

I'd have been dead twice, and wrongly convicted one programmer.

Seven out of ten isn't too bad for something like this, but doesn't this
stray into the realms of the lady juror who, without considering any
evidence, pronounced, He's obviously guilty of rape. Just look at the width
of his shoulders. And Of course, he's guilty. His eyebrows meet in the
middle.



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[lace-chat] Why you don't have to work your backside off

[Jane Bawn]

Received this in my mail today and thought it would be a good one to share.
Hope it's appropriate from here.




From a strictly mathematical viewpoint it goes like this:

What makes 100%? What does it mean to give more than a 100%?

Ever wonder about those people who say they are giving more than 100%?

We have all been to those meetings where someone wants you to give more than
100%.

How about achieving 103%?

Well, here's a little mathematical formula that might help you answer these
questions:

If the letters of the alphabet A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W
X Y Z

were represented as: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26, then:

H - A - R - D - - W - O - R - K would be:
8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98%

and,

K - N - O - W - L - E - D - G - E
11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 = 96%

but,

A - T - T - I - T - U - D - E
1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100%

however - -

B - U - L - L - S - H - I - T
2+21+12+12+19+8+9+20 = 103%

And, look how far ass kissing will take you:

A - S - S - - K - I - S - S - I - N - G
1+19+19+11+9+19+19+9+14+7 = 118%.

So, one can then conclude with mathematical certainty that:

While, hard work and knowledge will get you close, and, attitude will get
you there, it's...
Bullshit  Ass Kissing that will put you over the top!
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RE: [lace] RE:Casper Netscher's lacemaker

[Jane Bawn]

I don't think you're sad at all.   I think you are amazing.  I would love to
see a picture of the outfit you have made if you have one, can you post it
somewhere where we can all see.  I think the the idea of recreating the old
costumes absolutely fascinating.  It is probably what brought me into
lacemaking.

 At a lace day some years ago a lady gave us a talk on the old clothes, she
had loads of victorian, edwardian and earlier outfits (can't remember all
the outfits she had), but after the talk where she described the outfits and
their histories she allowed us to handle the outfits and my friend and I
immediately turned them inside out to discover how they were constructed.
Sewing is my other hobby and I like to combine the two wherever possible :-)

Jane
Portchester
UK


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Subject: Re: [lace] RE:Casper Netscher's lacemaker


This is how sad I am.

The picture is early 1660s but the clothing is ok for UK English Civil War
(ECW) so I have made an authentic copy of the clothing and am working on
making the pillow next.

When I first saw the skirt I choked as it is cartridge pleated and requires
you to pleat an entire length of material (about 12 - 15 foot) into 1
pleats and run a thread through it about 1 from the selvage edge.  You then
herringbone stich it to a waist band.

However, when I got going I was able to do this in just under an afternoon
and hand sew the virtical seem as well.

The results are spectacular - the fabric sits out from the waist band and
gives exactly the same effect as the picture.

If you look at the bodice, that too is cartidge pleated along where the
sleeves meet the main body but with 1/2 pleats.  I was luck enough to
already have a bodice that matched the picture.

Over all, with the correct corset and shoes, I have taken people by surprise
when they walk into a room and see me making lace - one lady told me I
looked like a living picture.  Next I'm working on the coif - the
embroidered head covering.

Liz


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I have her on a needlepoint canvas I'm working on.  I hope it does
 justice to her (and Capser's work) :-)  Her skirt's a dark
 blue on my
 canvas, though.

 Cheers,
 Helen, Aussie in Denver


Regards

Liz Beecher
I'm A HREF=http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee;blogging/A
now - see what it's all about

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[lace] Re: IOLI Membership (OT) Thanks

[Jane Bawn]

Thanks for everyone's help I will be sending off my memberships dues as soon
as I can get to the post office.

Jane Bawn
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[lace] Subscribing to IOLI (OT)

[Jane Bawn]

I know this sounds really dumb but I am trying to email the treasurer of the
IOLI as I want to subscribe to it but wanted to know if they accept credit
cards as I have never sent money abroad before except by credit card.  Well
having scoured their website I can't seem to find the Treasurers email
address and yet on the form it says if there are any problems email the
treasurer!  It's probably there somewhere but I'm blowed if I can see it but
then it took me about 10 minutes to figure out how to send to the list (sure
I've done it before?!)  think I must be having a senior moment.  Your help
would be appreciated.

Jane Bawn
Portchester UK

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[lace-chat] RE: spider pillow

[Jane Bawn]

Hi Tamara,

This was going to be my next question. As it will be about next October by
the time I finish my hearts lace edging I shall be just in time to hunt
round the stores for some material  to match. :-)

BTW congratulations on achieving BL Editor of IOLI I'm sure as a result
the membership will increase (by at least one from this neck of the woods at
any rate) :-)

Jane Bawn
Portchester UK


Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:36:51 -0500
From: Tamara P. Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [lace-chat] Re: spider pillow

On Feb 5, 2004, at 20:34, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lynn) wrote:

 I have just recently started to learn bobbin lace, how or where do you
 get
 the spider material to make the pincushion, I would love to try it.

It's a long -- 18 months? 24? -- story... :) Pauline (Norris?), in UK,
came accross very tacky -- red satin, with black spiderwebs and spiders
- -- fabric... Bought all the store had, and offered to make and send
pincushions -- filled with lavender grown in her own garden -- to
anyone on Arachne who was willing to make a lace edging for it... Ended
up making, I think, a hundred or two of them :) The earlier efforts can
be seen on Lori-the-lace-fairy's website:

http://lace.lacefairy.com/Arachne/Pincushions.html

(this is the first page of 4, BTW)

Lori then made a matching bobbin -- painted bright red, with black
spiderweb and spider, and spangled with black and gold beads, with a
red heart as the bottom bead...

Typical -- to me -- of Arachne generosity, and the spontaneous
interplay of ideas... My own -- duly edged -- pincushion, with Lori's
bobbin, skewered to it by a gold spider (pushing the concept of tacky
to the outmost limit g) is hanging off the dining room chandelier,
except at Christmastime (when it's on my textile tree).

But you can't get *the* pincushion anymore -- all that fabric is gone
now. For fabric with spiderwebs (to make your own pincushion or a cover
cloth), go to your nearest fabric store (for me, it's WalMart) sometime
in September-October; that's when they're gearing up for Halloween...

 It has finally stopped snowing, now it's raining ice.  Lovely...:)

Our spell of freezing rain seems to be over for the day, and they are
promising melting weather for tomorrow (or the day after, at the
latest), but the film scheduled for tonight (Roman Polanski festival,
at the U film-club) has been cancelled all the same... It's been the
bleakest winter of my 31 experience of the South

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Tamara P Duvall
Lexington, Virginia,  USA
Formerly of Warsaw, Poland
http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/

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[lace] Website and picots

[Jane Bawn]

I'm coming out of lurkdom to say I've just found a useful british website
for learners of picots etc.  I apologise if this site has already been
mentioned.  I haven't been a member very long, although I have been making
lace for a few years.  I would be interested to hear how others make their
picots as my current project has picots and I seem to do them differently
each time I do one :-)


http://www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/picot.htm



Jane Bawn in Portchester UK

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