[lace] What would YOU do? Touching laces belonging to others.
In a message dated 2/13/2011 10:16:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tat...@tat-man.net writes: Yes they do touch, but I encourage that sometimes(except when they have food on their hands), because I know what that is like. I have always been a hands-on person and have to touch everything of interest to me. I still am a kid at heart!! ;) When I am not at my pillow I do set it away from onlookers while I go teach someone or show something in more detail(like how to tat or explain further about the lace). My pillow is rarely a foot away from me. None of the pieces I have on display are that precious that I would be going "nutzoid" over. Still would mutter to myself if anything horrible would happen. --- It seems that this would be a good agenda item for local lace guilds, because the responses have come from everywhere, with recognition it can be a problem. Tatman said something in his letter that triggered a memory of mine, more along the lines of good manners. When you see someone wearing lace, whether new or antique, that does not give you license to touch the lace being worn. You would not like it happening to you. Whatever the circumstances, whether on a pillow or on a person, please ask for permission to touch lace before doing so. And, if you own the lace you have the right to say "Please look, but don't touch." At lace conventions, I like to wear lace. My thinking is that everyone in that setting understands *good lace manners* and would benefit from seeing lace being worn in a safe environment. However, at one U.S. event, women were pawing me in a crowded elevator! I tried to back up, and made a face, which clearly spoke volumes. But, I also returned to my room and put the lace away. That denied people who have never seen wonderful lace being worn (especially our newbies) a special opportunity. No, I will never wear a "Do Not Touch" sign, but what is one to do? Sharing in such an environment is part of teaching/learning. In lace sales rooms, some women who wear rings with prongs to hold stones in place, dangling charm bracelets, and bags that are out-of-control and dragging through the merchandise, seem to think it is OK to put lace that is for sale at risk by "digging in" to laces that are far too fragile for such treatment. Once damaged, the lace item loses value and price has to be lowered. Please treat the laces the dealers have brought to your event with more respect. In appreciation of lace makers and lace, Jeri . Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] What would you do?
She probably has a point, but that would vary by locality. In Texas if someone damages my $5 item the court doesn't care that it was worth $5, they care that it was my item. I imagine it would matter if the damage was intentional or accidental. Intentional is criminal, accidental is a civil matter. You can get lackadaisical police who don't want to press charges anywhere. In that case in most cases one can swear out a warrant, sometimes for a small fee. In Texas that's around $15.I once did that back in New York when a housemate had become dangerous and the police didn't want to act. I took him to court and got an order of protection and out went the housemate. I think that often people just don't want to be bothered to go through the process. Swearing out a warrant is the least of it; you also have to come to court, often multiple times. Yours, Villandra Thorsdottir Austin, Texas - Original Message - From: To: "Jean Nathan" Cc: <> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [lace] What would you do? As a criminal defense attorney, I can tell you that the 'crimes' we're discussing are on the very border between criminal behavior and rudeness. There is no crime anywhere of criminal rudeness, or criminal lack of manners. When one approaches this line, in Carol's case, where no one is really hurt, things aren't damaged very much, nothing is taken that can be proved, the police are reticent in pressing charges unless the putative defendant is a character well known to them. Once a possible reason for the damage is pure accident, the likelihood of getting a conviction drops through the basement, and the inevitable happens. A police officer is not going to be convinced by broken threads. We would be, and clearly Carol's emotional damage is deplorable, as she didn't even try to untangle for months. Shouldn't happen, but it does. Sad. No deliverance from evil on that day, no peace. As for the destruction of the vases, I am not a British barrister, but an American criminal defense attorney. In America, if the prosecution cannot prove at least criminal recklessness, (which is a disregard for the substantial likelihood that the damage will happen) beyond a reasonable doubt, they won't win. Period. Here, the man tripped over his own shoelaces. An accident, not a crime. As for a civil case, I'm not as sure, as I don't practice civil law, but I think that they have to prove the defendant breached a duty of care. Tripping over shoelaces probably won't do it. Accidents do happen without fault. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US, where the snow isn't melting fast enough, but it is melting, and no more snow is predicted. -Original Message- From: Jean Nathan Sent: Feb 13, 2011 12:45 PM To: Lace Subject: [lace] What would you do? Liz wrote about the man who broke the vases: "The guy was charged with criminal damage but I can't find out if he was prosecuted or convicted and hubby can't find out from the musuem's grapevine." Yorkshire Post 8th August 2006: "Mr Flynn, of Fowlmere, Cambs, was arrested on suspicion of causing criminal damage in April. But in June police said he would not be charged with any offence." Jean in Poole, Dorset. UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] What would you do?
As a criminal defense attorney, I can tell you that the 'crimes' we're discussing are on the very border between criminal behavior and rudeness. There is no crime anywhere of criminal rudeness, or criminal lack of manners. When one approaches this line, in Carol's case, where no one is really hurt, things aren't damaged very much, nothing is taken that can be proved, the police are reticent in pressing charges unless the putative defendant is a character well known to them. Once a possible reason for the damage is pure accident, the likelihood of getting a conviction drops through the basement, and the inevitable happens. A police officer is not going to be convinced by broken threads. We would be, and clearly Carol's emotional damage is deplorable, as she didn't even try to untangle for months. Shouldn't happen, but it does. Sad. No deliverance from evil on that day, no peace. As for the destruction of the vases, I am not a British barrister, but an American criminal defense attorney. In America, if the prosecution cannot prove at least criminal recklessness, (which is a disregard for the substantial likelihood that the damage will happen) beyond a reasonable doubt, they won't win. Period. Here, the man tripped over his own shoelaces. An accident, not a crime. As for a civil case, I'm not as sure, as I don't practice civil law, but I think that they have to prove the defendant breached a duty of care. Tripping over shoelaces probably won't do it. Accidents do happen without fault. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, US, where the snow isn't melting fast enough, but it is melting, and no more snow is predicted. -Original Message- >From: Jean Nathan >Sent: Feb 13, 2011 12:45 PM >To: Lace >Subject: [lace] What would you do? > >Liz wrote about the man who broke the vases: > >"The guy was charged with criminal damage but I can't find out if he was >prosecuted or convicted and hubby can't find out from the musuem's >grapevine." > >Yorkshire Post 8th August 2006: > >"Mr Flynn, of Fowlmere, Cambs, was arrested on suspicion of causing criminal >damage in April. But in June police said he would not be charged with any >offence." > >Jean in Poole, Dorset. UK > >- >To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: >unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to >arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: >http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
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I always thought that it was a silly place to put the vase, it was on a ledge on the stairway and not protected by anything at all to stop it falling or being knocked off which it subsequently was. I believe it was a very valuable Chinese Vase. I remember the episode well, as they must have cameras that picked up the man falling on the stairs, it was reported on tv at the time. Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
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Or they concluded it was just an accident I suppose. Not something that seems to be acceptable in this day and age though. Claire Kent, UK Claire Allen www.bonitocrafts.co.uk Crafty stuff I want to show off. On 13 Feb 2011, at 19:54, vilan...@austin.rr.com wrote: > EIther no evidence, could be noone saw who did it, even though everyone knew > who did it. Or could be the man was considered looney. > > Yours, > Villandra Thorsdottir > Austin, Texas > - Original Message - From: "Jean Nathan" > > To: "Lace" > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 11:45 AM > Subject: [lace] What would you do? > > >> Liz wrote about the man who broke the vases: >> >> "The guy was charged with criminal damage but I can't find out if he was >> prosecuted or convicted and hubby can't find out from the musuem's >> grapevine." - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
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EIther no evidence, could be noone saw who did it, even though everyone knew who did it. Or could be the man was considered looney. Yours, Villandra Thorsdottir Austin, Texas - Original Message - From: "Jean Nathan" To: "Lace" Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 11:45 AM Subject: [lace] What would you do? Liz wrote about the man who broke the vases: "The guy was charged with criminal damage but I can't find out if he was prosecuted or convicted and hubby can't find out from the musuem's grapevine." Yorkshire Post 8th August 2006: "Mr Flynn, of Fowlmere, Cambs, was arrested on suspicion of causing criminal damage in April. But in June police said he would not be charged with any offence." Jean in Poole, Dorset. UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] What would you do?
Liz wrote about the man who broke the vases: "The guy was charged with criminal damage but I can't find out if he was prosecuted or convicted and hubby can't find out from the musuem's grapevine." Yorkshire Post 8th August 2006: "Mr Flynn, of Fowlmere, Cambs, was arrested on suspicion of causing criminal damage in April. But in June police said he would not be charged with any offence." Jean in Poole, Dorset. UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
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This topic has still got my husband insensed by the women's behaviour. He is head of security at one of the museums in Oxford and wanted to share this particular tale with you of something that happened recently. They have a very beautiful, simple chair in one of the collections. It dates from the mid 17th Century and has a woven rush seat. All over the chair are signs saying 'do not sit' and 'please don't touch'. They were watching the collections from the CCTV room and saw a woman pick up her young child and put the child onto the chair to sit down. By the time they had rushed one of the security guards down (and it's not their job to prevent touching that's what the docents do) the seat was broken through and the chair damaged. The woman could not or would not accept a part in what had happened. The whole of the seat had to be removed and replaced from scratch. Hubby says that this unneccesary restoration took that particular department over 70 hours of work - put in a minimum cost of £15 an hour for the labour alone the damage was over £1,000. I think the biggest story of this type comes from 2006 and the rival musuem in Cambrige to hubbys. The Fitzwilliam. If any of you missed the story then there is a link to the BBC website. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4708494.stm The guy was charged with criminal damage but I can't find out if he was prosecuted or convicted and hubby can't find out from the musuem's grapevine. L Kind Regards Liz Baker thelace...@btinternet.com My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website: http://thelacebee.weebly.com/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
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-Original Message- From: On Behalf Of Adele Shaak she made him sit down and watch as she fixed the entire pillow. I believe she said it took about two and a half hours I love it ! Jenny Brandis Kununurra, Western Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] What would YOU do?
You said, in the original message, that the lady said the girl did a lot of handcrafts - Well, I wonder about that! If she had done so much, she should have known that things take a lot of time to finish, and therefore should have been even more aware of the fine work you were doing on the pillow. That makes the whole thing even Worse, to my mind. If she never did any handcrafts, then perhaps there was an excuse for fiddling with the pretty bobbins, - but if she was as knowledgeable as the lady with her said, - then even more reason that she should have known better. I do hope you have got it sorted out now, but that will cast a bit of a shadow over the whole piece. I am so sorry. That Milanese pendant is beautiful. Well done. Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz. lizl...@bigpond.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
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Lord, what a pair! People are just getting more and more spoiled, and typically, the adults are more badly spoiled than the kids! Yours, Villandra Thorsdottir Austin, Texas - Original Message - From: "Carol" To: Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 4:12 AM Subject: [lace] What would YOU do? Hi All, I am just looking at the lace pillow I spent all yesterday afternoon/evening attempting to untangle - I haven't touched it for several months since the 'accident' happened., but will have to sit and work at it again today, and until it is OK again. To explain.I was demonstrating with several 'Have-a-Go' pillows, and others on display, and with this one displayed, but with elastic across the bobbins, so that it couldn't be disturbed. However, I was sitting with one little girl, with the snake, when I noticed that another girl - probably about 14/15 - had undone the elastic, and was fiddling with the bobbins. I asked her not to touch, when the accompanying lady told me that the girl was very accomplished, had won prizes at school for handwork, and could only help me to finish the lace. I again asked her not to touch it, as it was quite special to me.I was very restrained, and polite, as I again told them it was a special piece, being a chalice cover I was making in memory of my late husband, but the lady took offence, as did the girl, and, as they turned away making impolite remarks, the woman 'accidentally' knocked the pillow and table, whereupon the pillow fell. The resulting tangle is what I am still attempting to remedy. In all the years I have demonstrated, I have never before had such an experience!Which explains the subject line - I was (and still am ) horrified that anyone could do such a thing, and although it has never happened before, it does make me wonder whether I will ever take pillows with complicated work, and many beautiful bobbins, to a display again. As I said - what woud you do? Carol - in Suffolk UK 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
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Carol I'd have been yelling and swearing and using all sorts of animal epithets on the two of them. The kind of spite you describe is way beyond the category of "normal" behavior. Possibly the real motive was envy. They knew they couldn't match you so spite made them destroy something they couldn't equal. Possibly it is a good idea not to take something so special as your chalice cover to a demonstration. Non-lacemakers will be impressed even by a 12 pair lace in torchon. For reasons other than spiteful visitors (which you probably will not encounter again in your lifetime) it might be good to leave the really special ones home. I remember doing an outdoor demonstration with my local guild many years ago. When I got home I worked on the Cluny piece some more. After I had 2 more repeats done I noticed that the lace I had just made was not the same color as what I had done during the outdoor demo. The demo portion was definitely gray in color. Outdoor dust had blown onto my pillow and dirtied the lace. There was a steady breeze than day, but not high winds. The one time I had to untangle a mess that somebody else made of my pillow, it was my cat. I had left the pillow on the top of a bookcase where my cats never went. So I thought it was safe. It was a Bucks point workshop piece that I was finishing up, and used lots of fragile Bucks bobbins with glass beads. I came home from work and found it upside down on the floor, with a few broken bobbins and several broken beads. And, of course, a huge tangle. I rounded the corner from the living room into the dinning room, saw the catastrophe, stopped dead in my tracks, and started yelling. Since it was several hours since the disaster had happened, it was gone from their memories and they had no idea why I was yelling. It took me 2-3 hours to untangle the mess, put the threads onto unbroken bobbins. I can report that my cats remained unstrangled, but it was a near thing. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
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I think you showed great restraint. I think that to take beautiful lace for people to see and marvel at is good, but I think this particular piece is just too precious and priceless to be allowed near people without a real appreciation of the work skill and love that goes into that piece. I hope it is coming right for you, I only had to do this once and through my own fault in not making sure the pillow was completely flat on the table before I let go, so I have some idea of what you have to do. Good luck and please let us know when its all untangled and then maybe we can see a picture when its finished. Sue T Dorset UK Hi All, to me.I was very restrained, and polite, as I again told them it was a special piece, being a chalice cover I was making in memory of my late husband, but the lady took offence, as did the girl, and, as they turned away making impolite remarks, the woman 'accidentally' knocked the pillow and table, whereupon the pillow fell. The resulting tangle is what I am still attempting to remedy. In all the years I have demonstrated, I have never before had such an experience!Which explains the subject line - I was (and still am ) horrified that anyone could do such a thing, and although it has never happened before, it does make me wonder whether I will ever take pillows with complicated work, and many beautiful bobbins, to a display again. As I said - what woud you do? Carol - in Suffolk UK 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
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Good for you! Brenda On 12 Feb 2011, at 14:51, Clay Blackwell wrote: > I asked the woman to please take the children out of the display area until > they had finished their ice cream and had had a good wash of hands and face. Brenda in Allhallows www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
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Whereas when I asked my hubby the same question the answer was you'd have called them everything from a pig to a dog and told them how long it had taken you to get that far!! If she had been a lacemaker she a. wouldn't have fiddled with it, and b. would have appreciated what she'd done!! Sue in East Yorks On 12 Feb 2011, at 13:09, The Lace Bee wrote: > > > BTW hubby has just come back and is still muttering about 'don't they > understand the amount of work that goes into it ' - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
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Although I don't dispute that there are a lot of people out there that are so rude as to take your breath away, there are also people who are mentally ill, autistic, or have attention deficit disorder. Sometimes the people who are with them, rather than disclosing this information (and that can be risky if the disabled person is prone to anger) try to cover for them. I have to wonder if something like this is happening when the situation is that weird. And yes, what can you do to protect yourself from these situations, except leave things home. Devon who once visited a museum in Spain with someone who was having a schizophrenic break - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
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Now THAT is a hubby to treasure!! From: The Lace Bee To: lace@arachne.com; Carol Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 8:09:38 AM Subject: Re: [lace] What would YOU do? BTW hubby has just come back and is still muttering about 'don't they understand the amount of work that goes into it ' Kind Regards Liz Baker thelace...@btinternet.com My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website: http://thelacebee.weebly.com/ Here is my husband's horrified reply to your question. Actually you'd do nothing because you are too nice (believe me he's wrong - it would have ended with blood but ...). You would not have said anything but I would have. I know how much time and effort goes into your work and for them to have done that (and in muttering as he left room to get lunch . muttering continues as he comes back ) I'd have told them in no uncertain terms (muttering continues as he goes out back door). ... - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
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I am s sorry to hear about your experience. Look at it this way: once you have untangled the mess and finished the lace, it will represent even more than a memorial to your late husband. It will also represent your ability to rise above the obstacles that you meet in a gracious and successful way - you are a true lady! I, on the other hand, know that I would have responded differently. I would have immediately gone over to the pillow and told the brat not to touch. If her mother didn't "get it", I would have stopped the girl and moved the pillow away from her. I would have asked them both to leave if they couldn't respect the property of others. And, in so doing, I would have given lacemakers a black eye, perhaps. When I demo, if I take a "nice" project (and I have been known to do that), I put it on a display table slightly out of reach to the public, but within my own reach and eyesight (just so my bobbins don't become souvenirs!). I was demonstrating once with a large pillow filled with beautiful bobbins (although the project was quite simple), and a woman came over with two brats who were eating dripping ice cream cones. The little girl reached into my pillow with a grubby hand and tried to pick up a bobbin. I caught her by the wrist (gently) and moved her hand away. She started screaming and throwing a tantrum, and her mother said, "Oh why can't she have one? You have so many!". I asked the woman to please take the children out of the display area until they had finished their ice cream and had had a good wash of hands and face. She looked stunned, but did as I asked and left. They did not come back. Clay On 2/12/2011 5:12 AM, Carol wrote: As I said - what woud you do? Carol - in Suffolk UK 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
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Carol - what a shame that happened to you. I hope you can get the rest of the 'mess' sorted out with no broken threads etc. I had an incident, but with no malicious intent, when I was making lace at an old heritage farm - 1850's houses with earth and straw floors. I had temporarily put my pillow on my chair while I stretched and had turned away to look at someone else's lace. There were no visitors in the farmhouse at the time. While my back was turned, a little boy of about 6 came in and walked over to look at my pillow. He put his hands on the front corners of the pillow and leaned over. Of course, the pillow flipped over and landed face down in the straw. The look on the kidlet's face was a picture of horror and alarm, especially as his mum came in just at that moment. I did Jacquie's trick of holding the pillow upside down while the bobbins untangle themselves and then carefully tipped it flat again. Luckily there were no broken bobbins or threads. Malvary in Ottawa where it is only -5c with windchill of -12c today. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] What would YOU do?
Unfortunately there do exist incredibly egregious people in the world. There are also axe and serial murderers. Fortunately we don't usually meet up with such people, they are, thank God, rare. Shame the woman didn't 'trip' over things. This pair, and what a pair they were, deserve our sympathy for not having been taught better. You were making a chalice cover. An appropriate prayer would involve a request that they they gain the ability to learn common decency and basic consideration for others. Fortunately, lacemaking does not attract such barbarians, and the likelihood of encountering their like is so small as to be non-existent. Just don't bring the chalice cover to demos. I am so sorry this happened to you. You certainly don't deserve it. But as we know, bad things do happen to good people. lrb -Original Message- >From: Carol >Sent: Feb 12, 2011 5:12 AM >To: lace@arachne.com >Subject: [lace] What would YOU do? > >Hi All, > >I am just looking at the lace pillow I spent all yesterday afternoon/evening >attempting to untangle - I haven't touched it for several months since the >'accident' happened., but will have to sit and work at it again today, and >until it is OK again. > >To explain.I was demonstrating with several 'Have-a-Go' pillows, and >others on display, and with this one displayed, but with elastic across the >bobbins, so that it couldn't be disturbed. However, I was sitting with one >little girl, with the snake, when I noticed that another girl - probably about >14/15 - had undone the elastic, and was fiddling with the bobbins. I asked >her not to touch, when the accompanying lady told me that the girl was very >accomplished, had won prizes at school for handwork, and could only help me to >finish the lace. I again asked her not to touch it, as it was quite special >to me.I was very restrained, and polite, as I again told them it was a >special piece, being a chalice cover I was making in memory of my late >husband, but the lady took offence, as did the girl, and, as they turned away >making impolite remarks, the woman 'accidentally' knocked the pillow and >table, whereupon the pillow fell. The resulting tangle is what I am still >attempting to remedy. > >In all the years I have demonstrated, I have never before had such an >experience!Which explains the subject line - I was (and still am ) >horrified that anyone could do such a thing, and although it has never >happened before, it does make me wonder whether I will ever take pillows with >complicated work, and many beautiful bobbins, to a display again. As I said >- what woud you do? > >Carol - in Suffolk UK >'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' > >- >To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: >unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to >arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: >http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] What would YOU do?
You asked what we would do. Here is my husband's horrified reply to your question. Actually you'd do nothing because you are too nice (believe me he's wrong - it would have ended with blood but ...). You would not have said anything but I would have. I know how much time and effort goes into your work and for them to have done that (and in muttering as he left room to get lunch . muttering continues as he comes back ) I'd have told them in no uncertain terms (muttering continues as he goes out back door). He has also suggested that you should name and shame the event and it's a pity you don't know who the people are to name and shame them. I am very loathed to take out any of my good bobbins to shows these days after a friend had her bobbins cut from her pillow at a large open lace day some 10 years back. I have 40 or so pairs of cheap (ok relatively cheap) bobbins with unsentimental spangles on them that I use for demo. We were looking at the pillow I'm working on at the moment which has over 70 pairs on it and the average cost of each bobbin and spangle is £18. This pillow goes out to our group evenings but I wouldn't take it to a big event as when I worked out the cost of that pillow it was staggering. The pillow is exceptionally wide block pillow from SMP plus the bobbins (all Chris Parsons ebony and pewter, Stuart Johnson bone and Sarah Jones painted with a few Janet Retter and others) the cost of that pillow with the bobbins is just a little over £2,600. Yes, you are talking about a collection of bobbins built up over 20 years and these aren't all my most expensive! You could just spit blood couldn't you. BTW hubby has just come back and is still muttering about 'don't they understand the amount of work that goes into it ' Kind Regards Liz Baker thelace...@btinternet.com My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website: http://thelacebee.weebly.com/ --- On Sat, 12/2/11, Carol wrote: I asked her not to touch, when the accompanying lady told me that the girl was very accomplished, had won prizes at school for handwork, and could only help me to finish the lace. Carol - in Suffolk UK 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] What would YOU do?
Hi Carol, I always take a simple piece with me when I am in any situation where I am likely to have people watch me work (i.e. lace fairs or lace days), although I make it a point that at least it is Maltese lace, especially for fairs abroad. It's true that a complicated piece will mean lots more "Oohs" and "Aahs", but in those situations I won't be able to work much at all. I also feel that if anyone is in any way inclined to try our art, it would be far more beneficial for him/her to see a "normal" piece because a piece that is very complicated may put them off. The only time I worked in public on a complicated piece was when I wanted to impress because we were being filmed for local TV and it was an old Maltese pattern that I was working. Karen in Malta. -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Carol Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:12 AM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] What would YOU do? Hi All, I am just looking at the lace pillow I spent all yesterday afternoon/evening attempting to untangle - I haven't touched it for several months since the 'accident' happened., but will have to sit and work at it again today, and until it is OK again. To explain.I was demonstrating with several 'Have-a-Go' pillows, and others on display, and with this one displayed, but with elastic across the bobbins, so that it couldn't be disturbed. However, I was sitting with one little girl, with the snake, when I noticed that another girl - probably about 14/15 - had undone the elastic, and was fiddling with the bobbins. I asked her not to touch, when the accompanying lady told me that the girl was very accomplished, had won prizes at school for handwork, and could only help me to finish the lace. I again asked her not to touch it, as it was quite special to me.I was very restrained, and polite, as I again told them it was a special piece, being a chalice cover I was making in memory of my late husband, but the lady took offence, as did the girl, and, as they turned away making impolite remarks, the woman 'accidentally' knocked the pillow and table, whereupon the pillow fell. The resulting tangle is what I am still attempting to remedy. In all the years I have demonstrated, I have never before had such an experience!Which explains the subject line - I was (and still am ) horrified that anyone could do such a thing, and although it has never happened before, it does make me wonder whether I will ever take pillows with complicated work, and many beautiful bobbins, to a display again. As I said - what woud you do? Carol - in Suffolk UK 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] What would YOU do?
In all the years I have demonstrated, I have never before had such an experience! Carol, I think the answer lies in that sentence. If you add to that all the years all the rest of us have demonstrated without having met such vile people, then you were extremely unlucky, and lightning rarely strikes twice. Yes, share your beautiful lace and bobbins with the world, but at the same time take a few more precautions. As you say "many beautiful bobbins" I assume they were spangled Midlands. How about using some invisible thread/fishing line through the spangles, knotted around a pin through every 10 or so pairs, so that first of all it is not obvious how they are held, and secondly it would be not so easy or quick for them to be released. They can then be spread out as if in work. Another thing is to make sure that it is not in a place where it could possibly be "accidently" knocked over, such as at the back of a larger display table that should solve that, as well as making it harder for it to be interfered with. Put it down to experience, and we have all learnt that if we should ever meet such unpleasant people, we need to be up on our feet quickly, quietly moving nearer to intervene. Jacquie in Lincolnshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] What would YOU do?
Hi All, I am just looking at the lace pillow I spent all yesterday afternoon/evening attempting to untangle - I haven't touched it for several months since the 'accident' happened., but will have to sit and work at it again today, and until it is OK again. To explain.I was demonstrating with several 'Have-a-Go' pillows, and others on display, and with this one displayed, but with elastic across the bobbins, so that it couldn't be disturbed. However, I was sitting with one little girl, with the snake, when I noticed that another girl - probably about 14/15 - had undone the elastic, and was fiddling with the bobbins. I asked her not to touch, when the accompanying lady told me that the girl was very accomplished, had won prizes at school for handwork, and could only help me to finish the lace. I again asked her not to touch it, as it was quite special to me.I was very restrained, and polite, as I again told them it was a special piece, being a chalice cover I was making in memory of my late husband, but the lady took offence, as did the girl, and, as they turned away making impolite remarks, the woman 'accidentally' knocked the pillow and table, whereupon the pillow fell. The resulting tangle is what I am still attempting to remedy. In all the years I have demonstrated, I have never before had such an experience!Which explains the subject line - I was (and still am ) horrified that anyone could do such a thing, and although it has never happened before, it does make me wonder whether I will ever take pillows with complicated work, and many beautiful bobbins, to a display again. As I said - what woud you do? Carol - in Suffolk UK 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
