Re: [lace] Out of Print Authors
I received my copy of Catherine's book yesterday and it is fabulous! I haven't done any needlelace in ages but it has me inspired and I may just start something... I know that some people aren't keen on the spiral binding because you can't see what the title of the book is, but DH suggested that I write the name of the book on a tie-on label and tie it to the spiral binding. I think this is a great idea and one that I will use with my other spiral bound books. Jill in very foggy, but mild, Milton Keynes - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Out of Print Authors
I'm so glad you managed to do this finally. At least others will now have the opportunity to obtain this wonderful work of art. Karen in Malta On 1 April 2014 09:43, Catherine Barley catherinebar...@btinternet.com wrote: The Lace Guild have kindly offered me a 'Meet The Author' spot at Convention this coming April 11th - April 13th at Worcester. Any authors who have an Out of Print title that they would like to have available once again, can come along and see my own newly released Print On Demand edition of Needlelace Designs Techniques. Alex Stillwell has nursed me through the production of this book and without her help and guidance I wouldn't have known where to start! We are both very keen to help other authors get their books in print once again and it's not quite the daunting experience that perhaps we imagined. If you can't get to Convention and want to see how a Print On Demand copy looks, visit my website www.catherinebarley.com and scroll down to SALES/ORDERS where you will see a photo of my book. Do come along and have a chat. See you there! Catherine Barley UK Catherine Barley Needlelace www.catherinebarley.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I slipped up - sorry for not trimming my earlier post. Blame it on too much theses editing. What a great idea Jill. I will definitely do that. Karen in Malta - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Out of Print Authors
I received Catherine's book in the mail today, and I agree with Jill, it is fabulous. And yes, I also haven't done needlelace in ages, but have hauled out what I started years ago (I can't even remember when), and am trying to find the patterns I was using, but have only found one so far. And I am looking at it and going huh? What am I supposed to be doing here? I guess I'll have to start with a beginner piece just go get it back into my mind how to do things. But it definitely is very inspiring. And I sure hope other lace books will also be republished. There are quite a few I'd like, but am not about to pay hundreds of dollars for each, I'd rather spend my money on thread or bobbins. Marianne Marianne Gallant Vernon, BC threadsnminis.blogspot.ca m...@shaw.ca I received my copy of Catherine's book yesterday and it is fabulous! I haven't done any needlelace in ages but it has me inspired and I may just start something... - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Subject: Re: [lace] out of print books I sympathize at your difficulty, but to say you are being ripped off, isn't fair. You had a contract for the original publication, you were compensated for that. An antique dealer gets his price as having maintained his stock and selling it. A used book store does the same. It is no different. Cindy Comeyne I was not suggesting that I as the author was being 'ripped off', but that a lacemaker wanting to buy a second hand copy of an out of print book was being 'ripped off' by having to pay an extortionate price mark-up for a copy. These books are not antique books and most of the authors are still living, not long deceased. This means that there are literally hundreds of these books still in existence and are not a rare 'one off ' copy that has survived a century or so! Authors receive pennies per copy by way of royalties for their books and they only receive them on a percentage of the sale price, so if a publisher sells for example 500 copies to a book club, which will be at a considerably reduced price, the author receives a percentage of the reduced bulk sale price and not on the full retail price of the book. Lace suppliers are also given a discount (I think Batsford used to give 30%). My frustration is that I would like to see an end to this situation and give both the author who has spent sometimes several years in drafting out lace patterns, working the lace, drawing the diagrams, writing the text, photographing the work etc. only to see someone else selling her book at an outrageously inflated price to someone new to lacemaking. My book originally cost £17.99 ($27.22 USD) and I am now seeing it priced at £132.80 ($200 USD) and even as high as £646.33p ($978USD)! It is the person new to lacemaking who is being 'ripped off'! Any established lacemaker already has a copy of these books, purchased at the original retail price, some even lucky enough to have bought their copy through a book club at a considerably reduced price. However, the lace world at large needs new blood from the younger generation to keep this beautiful craft alive and flourishing for future generations, but they have no chance if they want to purchase a mere four different lace titles at these obscene prices - they simply cannot afford them and as I have already pointed out, they are not 'one off ' rare museum pieces! Believe me, lace tutors and authors are not in it for the money but for the love of lace, and to pass on their skills learnt over many years of dedication to the craft and for the benefit of future generations. Why do so many lacemakers want these books I wonder, because if it were so easy they would design their own patterns and 'get rich quick' too! Catherine Barley www.catherinebarley.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Another point, too, does the seller really have this book at that price in stock. Out of interest, I've pretended to buy a lace book listed at a high price with no intention of checking out - to find it is actually listed as out of stock, or even as out of print and I can't buy it from this seller anyway. This was the case for several sellers. On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Jean Nathan j...@nathan54.freeserve.co.ukwrote: Catherine mentioned the extortionate prices some secondhand booksellers are asking. They might be asking those prices, but does anyone in their right mind actually pay ... -- Bev in warm rainy Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada putting away the lace pillow to work on a knitted lace shawl for a while. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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If lace authors are only getting pence for their books, and their books are now out of print so are not getting any further recompense, and they have a pdf file (and the right to publish more copies themselves) would it not be a good idea for them to burn and sell CDs with their book in pdf form, charging whatever they feel is reasonable for the CD? All of us on Arachne have access to computers, and a pdf copy of a book is better than not being able to get the book, plus we can easily print patterns and working diagrams as needed. IN America it would be easy for us to go to Kinkos or Staples etc. and get the whole book printed and spiral bound (which means you can open it flat, which is always advantageous for a textbook you want to work from) Sue Babbs (near Chicago, USA) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hi All, I hadn't thought about the seller not even having the book! I've wondered if there is some kind of tax advantage to having a huge inventory. Some of the prices are so ridiculous! Jane in Vermont, USA where the SUN is out! jvik...@sover.net Another point, too, does the seller really have this book at that price in stock. Out of interest, I've pretended to buy a lace book listed at a high price with no intention of checking out - to find it is actually listed as out of stock, or even as out of print and I can't buy it from this seller anyway. This was the case for several sellers. On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Jean Nathan j...@nathan54.freeserve.co.ukwrote: Catherine mentioned the extortionate prices some secondhand booksellers are asking. They might be asking those prices, but does anyone in their right mind actually pay ... - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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- Original Message - From: Alex Stillwell alexstillw...@talktalk.net Subject: [lace] out of print book I have persued Print-on demand but they were definitely not interested. Their requirements for the format of the pdfs was so unusual that none of my computer expert friends could make them and the only person they suggested who might do them was unable to open my word files because she has a mac. I tried for over a year but was unsuccessful and have abandoned the idea. If anyone works for a Print on demand company and they would be interested please contact me. Good morning Alex I read with interest your email about re-printing your Torchon book and the fact that you have abandoned the idea having tried for over a year etc. I too have been looking once again into the possibility of re-printing my book on Needlelace as I am appalled and horrified at the exorbitant prices being asked for second-hand copies by out of print booksellers, whilst I sit here and watch them do it! Clearly there is a demand for it and I hate to see lacemakers being 'ripped off ' by these sellers whilst there is nothing I can do about it! I appreciate that they provide an invaluable service but these prices are obscene! The problem we are faced with is the cost involved, which of course will be high due to the small number of copies required. A large print run is far cheaper per copy than the small number that we would require. Both our books will be re-prints, so the demand will be small compared to that of a new book and how many copies could we expect to sell? I'm sure that like myself, you would not wish to withdraw a substantial sum of money from our savings, only to find that we have ordered too many in an attempt to lower the cost per book and be left with a stack of books that nobody wants! It would be a huge gamble on our part and times are hard for all of us at the moment, but I would dearly love to put a stop to the outrageous profiteering being made from the sale of second-hand copies of my book, and whilst I'm still alive sitting at my laptop, helplessly watching it happen. I would be very interested to hear from you when you have seen your printer next week and maybe you could ask him about colour reproduction, as my book does have a few colour plates. I would also be interested to know which is the preferred format to save my files for re-printing? I shall be anxiously waiting to hear news of your meeting. Many thanks Cathy Catherine Barley Needlelace www.catherinebarley.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I have been away and therefore not followed all of this conversation. Can I ask a question please? Is it not possible to put these books into pdf format and accept payment sending them via the internet and then the individual lacemaker could print off as much or as little as they like. That way you have control of the book matter and the prices without having to individually print out and bind each book or all of the other options mentioned. Or am I simplifying this too much? Sue T - Original Message - From: Alex Stillwell alexstillw...@talktalk.net Subject: [lace] out of print book I have persued Print-on demand but they were definitely not interested. Their requirements for the format of the pdfs was so unusual that none of my works for a Print on demand company and they would be interested please contact me. Good morning Alex I read with interest your email about re-printing your Torchon book and the fact that you have abandoned the idea having tried for over a year etc. I too have been looking once again into the possibility of re-printing my book on Needlelace as I am appalled and horrified at the exorbitant prices being asked for second-hand copies by out of print booksellers, whilst I sit here and watch them do it! Clearly there is a demand for it and I hate to see lacemakers being 'ripped off ' by these sellers whilst there is nothing I can do about it! I appreciate that they provide an invaluable service but these prices are obscene! Many thanks Cathy - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] out of print books
Subject: Re: [lace] out of print book Is it not possible to put these books into pdf format and accept payment sending them via the internet and then the individual lacemaker could print off as much or as little as they like. That way you have control of the book matter and the prices without having to individually print out and bind each book or all of the other options mentioned. Or am I simplifying this too much? Sue T An interesting thought Sue. Payment could be made by PayPal so there would be no financial risk to either party? Catherine Barley Catherine Barley Needlelace www.catherinebarley.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Although it would still involve posting, it might be easier to download the PDFs onto a CD/DVD or even a memory stick of some sort because as was mentioned, the complete books are large files to send and download. There is always the risk of people sharing them whether in book or electronic form; as I said recently in another thread, when I was in Spain I was offered a memory stick containing about 20 lace books which had been illegally scanned, but most people will be prepared to buy a legitimate version if it is available at a sensible price. On the whole lacemakers are honest people. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Paypal would be an excellent solution to payment. The problem is the unscrupulous. We want the author to be paid the royalty, at least. Copying of books and prickings has been around since Xerox was first a company, but having a pdf file opens up to putting the book in the public domain, and that is not what is wanted, usually. Anyone who wants to put their hard work in the public domain can send the pdf file to the professor in Arizona. This is all about fair payment for work. Lyn in Lancaster where it is at least 15-20 degrees F too cold for Memorial Day weekend. 52F 15C at 10 a.m. Gorgeous sunshine though, but too windy. Sue wrote: Is it not possible to put these books into pdf format and accept payment sending them via the internet and then the individual lacemaker could print off as much or as little as they like. That way you have control of the book matter and the prices without having to individually print out and bind each book or all of the other options mentioned. Or am I simplifying this too much? Catherine Barley wrote: An interesting thought Sue. Payment could be made by PayPal so there would be no financial risk to either party? My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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On the whole lacemakers are honest people. Quite true. But no group is free of dishonest members. See the unscrupulous vendor of a memory stick with 20 scanned books on it. In this situation it only takes one. lrb My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I've got the Aussies iphone and it isnt behaving hence the reply which just sent itself before id finished or removed the original post (sorry Avital). i was trying to say that studies that i have recently been reading for work have shown that whilst people download illegally they often then buy more than. it also brings up the moral issue of second hand book where the author doesn't benefit from the resale. regarding locking pdfs. pass wording prevents copying and printing. flip books can prevent copying and printing. and if you make lace you want to print the pricking which becomes the issue. read only CDs don't prevent copying. and if i view a pdf on my ipad i can screen print and then paper print any page as a jpg. in the end an ebook is as fallible as a paper book. however, if a book is sort after but out if print surely ebook would allow it back into circulation which could be a good thing. Kind Regards Liz On 25 May 2013, at 17:48, The Lacebee thelace...@btinternet.com wrote: it is interesting that reports on illegal downloads of music tend to show the baby boomer generation as the worst culprits. they are also the highest spenders on legal downloads. Kind because as was // - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I would like to share with you my own experience on the subject. When in 2004 I first published the first of 3 books on Hinojosa Lace (Witch Stitch lace) I found myself facing this same problem: self publishing or publisher. I inclined to self publishing, which let me controlling the quantity of books according with demand in every moment as well as prices. Lacemaking is a minority market and I understand that the cost of the book have to be balanced for lacemakers. At the same time I was not depending of third parties. The disadvantage is that I have to take charge of distributing the books and contact directly with buyers. But to contact with buyers on the other hand, gives the opportunity to know the acceptance of the book. So on the following years I self published the second and third book in the same way. I have to say that I am glad of the results, and I would do the same if in a next future I will write a book again. Carolina. Barcelona. Spain Carolina de la Guardia http://www.carolgallego.com Alex Stillwell wrote: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 18:36:37 +0100 From: Jean Nathan j...@nathan54.freeserve.co.uk Subject: [lace] A suggestion for authors I don't know what the contracts of other published authors are, but I've an already had of 3 books (not lace) published, the first in 1983 and the last around 2000 - before the ability to self-publish in it's present form existed. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Out of Print Books
I remember purchasing a book with a similar name, maybe if I get hard up for cash it could be a quick money spinner - Not likely, I find it hard to part with anything. Jaqui Melbourne, at the end of winter at last - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 9:46 AM Subject: [lace] Out of Print Books I was just wandering through the lace books on Amazon making up my birthday wish list for the Aussie and had a bit of a shock - I have a copy of Lace: Australian Wild Flowers in Point Ground by Elwyn Kenn which I bought when it first came out. There is a copy for sale on Amazon which is being offered by an American seller at ... ... take a deep breath and sit down . 150 pounds sterling I mean it's a lovely book and all but I'm off to lock my copy away quickly Regards Liz in London I'm back blogging my latest lace piece - have a look by clicking on the link or going to http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 19:46:42 EDT, Liz in London wrote: I was just wandering through the lace books on Amazon making up my birthday wish list for the Aussie and had a bit of a shock - I have a copy of Lace: Australian Wild Flowers in Point Ground by Elwyn Kenn which I bought when it first came out. There is a copy for sale on Amazon which is being offered by an American seller at ... ... take a deep breath and sit down . 150 pounds sterling I mean it's a lovely book and all but I'm off to lock my copy away quickly I still carry a small stock of this book - it's available in the US from Robin and Russ. They still have quite a large list of lace books for sale - check out their web page, then call them - quite a few on the list are no longer available, but lots are still. http://www.robinandruss.com Don't get ripped off by this seller. ttfn Jacqui Jacqui Southworth, Fleetwood, Lancs, England [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Larkholme Lace - Bobbin Lace Supplies, painted bobbins and tools,books www.larkholmelace.co.uk ***New lower prices for 'Jewel' and 'Precious Metal' bobbins *** - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Out of print?
On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:59:51 -0500, you wrote: At Guild last night, two of our new members reported that they had tried to find copies of Cook's Practical Skills in Bobbin Lace and after several unsuccessful attempts, learned that the book is out of print! Can this be true!? According to my supplier the book is 'RUC' - Reprint under consideration, with no date yet. I still have a few in stock, but I suggest that writing to Batsford will make them consider re-printing sooner rather than later. They do respond to demand! ttfn Jacqui Jacqui Southworth, Fleetwood, Lancs, England [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Larkholme Lace - Bobbin Lace Supplies, painted bobbins and tools,books www.larkholmelace.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At Guild last night, two of our new members reported that they had tried to find copies of Cook's Practical Skills in Bobbin Lace and after several unsuccessful attempts, learned that the book is out of print! Can this be true!? hello Clay, yes that could be so. Sad but true Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Clay writes: At Guild last night, two of our new members reported that they had tried to find copies of Cook's Practical Skills in Bobbin Lace and after several unsuccessful attempts, learned that the book is out of print! Can this be true!? Oz spiders, I'm pretty sure Needlecraft Bookservice of Melbourne (mail order books) had this in stock only a couple of months ago, (they sell under list price) and could still have some in stock. Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
