Re: [leaf-user] Long time ago...
Hello Jeff, Am 08:21 2003-06-20 -0700 hat Jeff Newmiller geschrieben: On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello, I was vor some years on the original LRP-Mailinglists and now I have joined the leaf-project... First I have a problem, because most of older 486 does not support othe FD formats as 1440 kBytes... I dispute your claim of most... Windows95 was originally distributed by Microsoft on 1680k floppies. Do you really think they would have done ;-)) that if any significant number of computers they were targeting (486 was most common then) would not be able to read them? I use LRP/DOF in the east or turkia, iran and syria ;-)) The computers are older then Win95 ;-)) I run for example a VLB-Mainboard with a Cyrix Cx486dx40 and four 4 MB SIM Modules... The Bios and the Floppy drives can not handel more then 1.44 MBytes. (must use LRP 2.9.4 or DOF 2.1) Question: Which Version of FD-Router must/can I use ? I recommend trying a couple. You will need to read the documenation for whichever ones you use, because there are significant differences from LRP in all of them. Bering, Dachstein and Oxygen are all still somewhat floppy-oriented, with Bering having most activity here recently. I have seen the ftp site and they are Dino-Files from Jurasic Parc ;-)) Curently I have no Internet at home... only in an Internet-Cafe, so downloading is not possibel for me... P.S.: I am hacking on my 2.4.19 Router image... And running into trouble because ulibc does not support somthing I need and libc6 is tooo big ! Yes, constraining yourself to one and only one 1440k floppy is bound to be challenging. As for libc6, that covers at least glibc2.0, glibc2.1, and glibc2.2, in order of increasing capability and size. Bering and I use 2.2.5 Dachstein use glibc2.0, same as LRP. I haven't seen much activity on Oh yes, I use the 2.0 on DOF 2.1 without any changes... My kernel has curently 474 kBytes and I call my distri 'Debian On Floppy v3.0' (but v2.1 and v2.2 exist too) Sorry, curently I am very Off-Line and I have no wesite. Welcome back. I think there are many advantages to using a LEAF distro, but I also feel I should point out that you may be closer to your goal using your own distro than you think... once you recognize that one 1440 Hmmm, I have seen, leaf continue to use the *.lrp ;-)) I was switching to *.dof because of Debian On Floppy Oh yes, my root.dof is around 1200 kBytes :-( (the Tyranosaurus Rex) floppy is just too small. Larger formats, flash disks, and even old hard I love my CF-Cards... using an IDE CF-Controller which is connected tirectly to the IDE-Cable and has 16 MBytes... works like the heaven... Around 22 Euro for the CF-Adapter and 8 Euro for the 16 MB CF-Card. (17 Euro for 64 MByte) disks can all be used to reach your goals, and if you scrounge some newer computers, CD-R has been used a lot, and even USB flash disks. This is no solution for me, because the old Computers I MUST USE !!! have a nice Day Michelle --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: INetU Attention Web Developers Consultants: Become An INetU Hosting Partner. Refer Dedicated Servers. We Manage Them. You Get 10% Monthly Commission! INetU Dedicated Managed Hosting http://www.inetu.net/partner/index.php leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] Long time ago...
Hello Matt, Am 12:30 2003-06-21 -0700 hat Matt Schalit geschrieben: Michelle Konzack wrote: Hey Mich, welcome back. You had some wild setups going back then, cutting edge stuff, but now your site is down? Unfortunately yes... In 1999/2000 I was running a 2 MBit Cabel Modem in Strasbourg with LRP 2.9.4. First with the dhcp.lrp and then wit a fixed IP... Since I have very big problems with my health (waiting of a new kidney) my activity was droped... Oh well, hopefully things will work out for you. Certainly complex networking is easier these days. I will try to get an 128kBit ADSL connection to put my Network online... But need to find a dyn-DNS Provider where I can have up to three Domains and very much more HOSTS... If possibel, with my own master-DNS http://www.tzo.com/ offer this Service but it is not free and I have no International VISA Card to pay for it. Like the other guys said. Keep swapping hardware and flashing bios as needed. I really think on trying to get TEAC FD-235HF Drives in Big-Packs or CF-IDE-Controllers wit cheep 16 MByte Cards. Go for Bering w/o uclibc (or with it if you thing it'll help). ??? without or with uclibc ??? Hmmm, thats interesting !!! You might want to poke around WISP-Dist because Vlad has some good wireless action going on there (also part of LEAF). Okey naw, Matt Thanks an a nice day Michelle --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: INetU Attention Web Developers Consultants: Become An INetU Hosting Partner. Refer Dedicated Servers. We Manage Them. You Get 10% Monthly Commission! INetU Dedicated Managed Hosting http://www.inetu.net/partner/index.php leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] Long time ago...
Hello Ray, Am 09:05 2003-06-20 -0700 hat Ray Olszewski geschrieben: Hi, Michelle. Nice to hear from you again. Specific comments below. nice to hear from you... So I am not alone ;-)) At 05:00 AM 6/19/2003 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: First I have a problem, because most of older 486 does not support othe FD formats as 1440 kBytes... Is this comment based on very much experience? Personally, I've nver run into a 486 that did not support the 1680 KB format that LEAF uses ... As I have written to Jeff bevore, The Computers are much older as Win95 ;-)) and the Manufacturer ??? Do not ask me !!! I think, they are concurs since 10 years ;-)) though I have run into particular floppy drives or floppies that could not handle the format. I admit I don't have any recent experience with 486s ... my junk box now holds old, slow Pentium mobo/CPU combinations ... but I think you should give this another look. Yea, Curently I am looking for around 40-100 486/100 or some K5/75-100 For some month I have send around 40 HP Vectra XA 5/200MMX to Kurdistan ;-)) This HighPerformanc Machines running Debian/WOODY with fvwm2, Mozilla and OpenOffice.org... Oh yes, they have 96 MByte of memory... So I will say, they have no money to spend much more, but they can work... P.S.: I am hacking on my 2.4.19 Router image... And running into trouble because ulibc does not support somthing I need and libc6 is tooo big ! Do you mean uclibc? What is the something? pam for example... But the pam-libs are the HELL !!! Full Distros are too big for the old Computers so I am looking for a very small solution... Running postgresql on a 486/100 and a HD of 210 MB - YES, it Works ;-)) Coming from LRP, you will probably find Dachstein easiest to adjust to. It OK, I will look for it. I think, it will use the 2.0.38 Kernel ? follows Charles' older versions, derived from Matthew Grant's mountain series, pretty closely. It and Bering seem to be the most widely used variants these days, which means, in practical terms, more people on this list able to answer questions about them. The problem is, that unfortunately I need funktionality of 2.4.19. But for any current variant I can think of, you are going to have to address the 1680 KB problem. Or, I suppose, you could reverty to a 2-floppy boot/init process. Never I have used it... I think, I must try it out. Parallel I will ask a distributor of TEAC in Germany to get the FD-235HF in Big-Pack chaper... If I must use two FD I do not like to spend 14 Euros for each drive. My kernel has curently 474 kBytes and I call my distri 'Debian On Floppy v3.0' (but v2.1 and v2.2 exist too) If you want to pursue development of this distro as part of LEAF, it might be worth uploading it ... and image and probably a kernel config file ... to the LEAF site (MIke can get you set up to do this, I'm sure), so some of us can take a look at it and comment. For this I need an Internet-Connection at home, but this is curenly not possibel, because I switch between a Foyer and the Hospital because the Kidneyfall (I am waiting of a new Kidney and sitting around and have much time to work on LRP/DOF/LEAF) Sorry, curently I am very Off-Line and I have no wesite. I'm sorry too. I hope we can help with whatever technical advice you need to get back online. I am thinking abour an 128kBit ADSL at a friend... Then I can put my virtual-Web-Server online... (or the whole Network powerd by LRP 2.9.4 the same Idiot-Image which works since 1999) My the Source be with you _ Michelle\ \ (Does anyone know, where I can get the origional TUX-Yedi-Sticker ???) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: INetU Attention Web Developers Consultants: Become An INetU Hosting Partner. Refer Dedicated Servers. We Manage Them. You Get 10% Monthly Commission! INetU Dedicated Managed Hosting http://www.inetu.net/partner/index.php leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] Long time ago...
Michelle At 03:37 24.06.2003 +0200, you wrote: I will try to get an 128kBit ADSL connection to put my Network online... But need to find a dyn-DNS Provider where I can have up to three Domains and very much more HOSTS... If possibel, with my own master-DNS I use zoneedit, works OK for me, up to 5 domains are free http://www.zoneedit.com HTH Erich THINK Püntenstrasse 39 8143 Stallikon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint: BC9A 25BC 3954 3BC8 C024 8D8A B7D4 FF9D 05B8 0A16 --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: INetU Attention Web Developers Consultants: Become An INetU Hosting Partner. Refer Dedicated Servers. We Manage Them. You Get 10% Monthly Commission! INetU Dedicated Managed Hosting http://www.inetu.net/partner/index.php leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] Long time ago...
Michelle At 03:37 24.06.2003 +0200, you wrote: I will try to get an 128kBit ADSL connection to put my Network online... But need to find a dyn-DNS Provider where I can have up to three Domains and very much more HOSTS... If possibel, with my own master-DNS I use zoneedit, works OK for me, up to 5 domains are free http://www.zoneedit.com HTH Erich THINK Püntenstrasse 39 8143 Stallikon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint: BC9A 25BC 3954 3BC8 C024 8D8A B7D4 FF9D 05B8 0A16 --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: INetU Attention Web Developers Consultants: Become An INetU Hosting Partner. Refer Dedicated Servers. We Manage Them. You Get 10% Monthly Commission! INetU Dedicated Managed Hosting http://www.inetu.net/partner/index.php leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] Long time ago...
Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello, I was vor some years on the original LRP-Mailinglists and now I have joined the leaf-project... Hey Mich, welcome back. You had some wild setups going back then, cutting edge stuff, but now your site is down? Oh well, hopefully things will work out for you. Certainly complex networking is easier these days. First I have a problem, because most of older 486 does not support othe FD formats as 1440 kBytes... Like the other guys said. Keep swapping hardware and flashing bios as needed. Question: Which Version of FD-Router must/can I use ? Go for Bering w/o uclibc (or with it if you thing it'll help). You might want to poke around WISP-Dist because Vlad has some good wireless action going on there (also part of LEAF). Okey naw, Matt --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: INetU Attention Web Developers Consultants: Become An INetU Hosting Partner. Refer Dedicated Servers. We Manage Them. You Get 10% Monthly Commission! INetU Dedicated Managed Hosting http://www.inetu.net/partner/index.php leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] Long time ago...
On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello, I was vor some years on the original LRP-Mailinglists and now I have joined the leaf-project... First I have a problem, because most of older 486 does not support othe FD formats as 1440 kBytes... I dispute your claim of most... Windows95 was originally distributed by Microsoft on 1680k floppies. Do you really think they would have done that if any significant number of computers they were targeting (486 was most common then) would not be able to read them? Question: Which Version of FD-Router must/can I use ? I recommend trying a couple. You will need to read the documenation for whichever ones you use, because there are significant differences from LRP in all of them. Bering, Dachstein and Oxygen are all still somewhat floppy-oriented, with Bering having most activity here recently. P.S.: I am hacking on my 2.4.19 Router image... And running into trouble because ulibc does not support somthing I need and libc6 is tooo big ! Yes, constraining yourself to one and only one 1440k floppy is bound to be challenging. As for libc6, that covers at least glibc2.0, glibc2.1, and glibc2.2, in order of increasing capability and size. Bering and Dachstein use glibc2.0, same as LRP. I haven't seen much activity on Oxygen recently, though the development version reportedly uses glibc2.1. My kernel has curently 474 kBytes and I call my distri 'Debian On Floppy v3.0' (but v2.1 and v2.2 exist too) Sorry, curently I am very Off-Line and I have no wesite. Welcome back. I think there are many advantages to using a LEAF distro, but I also feel I should point out that you may be closer to your goal using your own distro than you think... once you recognize that one 1440 floppy is just too small. Larger formats, flash disks, and even old hard disks can all be used to reach your goals, and if you scrounge some newer computers, CD-R has been used a lot, and even USB flash disks. Thanks Michelle -- Registered Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. +--+ | Michelle's Internet-ServiceInh. Michelle Konzack| | FunkLAN-Providerin | +--+ I do think it odd that an internet service provider has no website, though. ;) --- Jeff NewmillerThe . . Go Live... DCN:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Basics: ##.#. ##.#. Live Go... Live: OO#.. Dead: OO#.. Playing Research Engineer (Solar/BatteriesO.O#. #.O#. with /Software/Embedded Controllers) .OO#. .OO#. rocks...2k --- --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: INetU Attention Web Developers Consultants: Become An INetU Hosting Partner. Refer Dedicated Servers. We Manage Them. You Get 10% Monthly Commission! INetU Dedicated Managed Hosting http://www.inetu.net/partner/index.php leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] Long time ago...
Hi, Michelle. Nice to hear from you again. Specific comments below. At 05:00 AM 6/19/2003 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: Hello, I was vor some years on the original LRP-Mailinglists and now I have joined the leaf-project... First I have a problem, because most of older 486 does not support othe FD formats as 1440 kBytes... Is this comment based on very much experience? Personally, I've nver run into a 486 that did not support the 1680 KB format that LEAF uses ... though I have run into particular floppy drives or floppies that could not handle the format. I admit I don't have any recent experience with 486s ... my junk box now holds old, slow Pentium mobo/CPU combinations ... but I think you should give this another look. Question: Which Version of FD-Router must/can I use ? P.S.: I am hacking on my 2.4.19 Router image... And running into trouble because ulibc does not support somthing I need and libc6 is tooo big ! Do you mean uclibc? What is the something? Coming from LRP, you will probably find Dachstein easiest to adjust to. It follows Charles' older versions, derived from Matthew Grant's mountain series, pretty closely. It and Bering seem to be the most widely used variants these days, which means, in practical terms, more people on this list able to answer questions about them. But for any current variant I can think of, you are going to have to address the 1680 KB problem. Or, I suppose, you could reverty to a 2-floppy boot/init process. My kernel has curently 474 kBytes and I call my distri 'Debian On Floppy v3.0' (but v2.1 and v2.2 exist too) If you want to pursue development of this distro as part of LEAF, it might be worth uploading it ... and image and probably a kernel config file ... to the LEAF site (MIke can get you set up to do this, I'm sure), so some of us can take a look at it and comment. Sorry, curently I am very Off-Line and I have no wesite. I'm sorry too. I hope we can help with whatever technical advice you need to get back online. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: INetU Attention Web Developers Consultants: Become An INetU Hosting Partner. Refer Dedicated Servers. We Manage Them. You Get 10% Monthly Commission! INetU Dedicated Managed Hosting http://www.inetu.net/partner/index.php leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
