[LegacyUG] Re: MHT file
Hi Listers Just want to thank everyone that have had some ideas about the file I had received with the MHT extension. My son has come and explained things too about what the file is etc., so have now been intouch with the person who sent it and they had sent me the wrong file as this was one she worked on and she has now send the Gedcom and it has slipped into Legacy with no further dramas. Thanks everyone for your imput. Margaret Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
I had not considered that as a possible reason as to why I am a lumper, Jim, but you may well be right. It certainly is natural way of working for me rather than something which I actually gave consideration to when I first started out. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ - Original Message - From: Jim Walton To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 07 October 2009 00:50 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census information I guess my problem stems from my history with computers. I grew up in the days that if you did something on a computer more than twice, you write a program to automate the task. (This was back in the 70s when most people still didn't believe such a thing as a personal computer was very useful.) When I look at a list of sources, I would much rather see three or four sources that are easy to locate and then add the state, county, and city information in the detail record. I see the census as a single source with a series of volumes, one for each state. Each volume would have a number of chapters, one for each county. Guess I'm a lumper, but that seems much more practical to me. Just one man's opinion... Jim On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: In theory, it seems as if that would be true. But I haven't done much combining of sources, so I can't speak with any authority. g Janis On 10/5/09 4:21 PM, Bruce Jones juicebo...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that it is easier for a Splitter to move toward being a Lumper (by combining Master Sources) than it is for a Lumper to move towards being a Splitter. Do you agree? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
Ron Ferguson wrote I had not considered that as a possible reason as to why I am a lumper, Jim, but you may well be right. It certainly is natural way of working for me rather than something which I actually gave consideration to when I first started out. And in my case it was having had Nomalisation drummed into me when I first trained on PCs! -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
Jim Walton wrote: When I look at a list of sources, I would much rather see three or four sources that are easy to locate and then add the state, county, and city information in the detail record. I see the census as a single source with a series of volumes, one for each state. Each volume would have a number of chapters, one for each county. Guess I'm a lumper, but that seems much more practical to me. Just one man's opinion... I know that I'm a lumper too! Perhaps it's less a matter of personal choice, than one of where one's census sources are kept. In the UK, there is generally a single repository - The National Archives at Kew. In the US, the Federal equivalent is in Washington DC, but actual source documents seem to be kept at a local, county level. Perhaps this is why I see so many Americans opting to 'split' and Europeans opting to 'lump'! If so, then aren't the lumpers confusing Source and Repository? -- Best regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] how to print Event Address Coordinates
I think I know the answer to this, but I want to be sure I'm not missing something. Does anyone know of a way to print a report that shows Event Addresses and their map coordinates? I'm particularly interested in the cemeteries listed in my database. I'd like to know which ones I already have and which ones I need to find and enter. I can't find an option to print this info anywhere. I've looked at three different places and can't find a way to do this. 1. Search - Detailed Search 2. View - Master Lists - Address Lists - Events 3. Reports - Event Reports - doesn't even include burials, since it's not considered an Event. I've printed my event address list as mailing labels, but the only way I can find to get the Lat/Long info is to open each address from the list and see if the info is there or not. If anyone sees a way that I've missed, I'd love to hear from you. If you know for a fact that it can't be done, let me know that also. I've searched the archives, and it seems that I'm going to have to create a Cemetery event for each individual, then include the lat/long for each location. Seems a little redundant since that info is already included in the Burial field, but if that's what I have to do, I'll just dig in and get started. I was only going to do that for the large cemeteries where the coordinates are different for different graves. Most of my cemeteries are very small, rural cemeteries and one set of coordinates works for everyone buried there. Thanks for any help/ideas. Dede Holden Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Gedcom problem
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:33:27 +0800, Stuart Gregory s.w.greg...@gmail.com wrote: Legacy does not open Gedcom files. Actually, you can open a GEDCOM file with legacy. But Legacy will immediately give you the import screen. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
Got a reply from Legacy and their response was basically like it or lump it. Except I can't lump it so I guess it's like it or split it. Too bad because I really think it would make a census much easier to cite. Jin On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.ukwrote: I had not considered that as a possible reason as to why I am a lumper, Jim, but you may well be right. It certainly is natural way of working for me rather than something which I actually gave consideration to when I first started out. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ - Original Message - From: Jim Walton To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 07 October 2009 00:50 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census information I guess my problem stems from my history with computers. I grew up in the days that if you did something on a computer more than twice, you write a program to automate the task. (This was back in the 70s when most people still didn't believe such a thing as a personal computer was very useful.) When I look at a list of sources, I would much rather see three or four sources that are easy to locate and then add the state, county, and city information in the detail record. I see the census as a single source with a series of volumes, one for each state. Each volume would have a number of chapters, one for each county. Guess I'm a lumper, but that seems much more practical to me. Just one man's opinion... Jim On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: In theory, it seems as if that would be true. But I haven't done much combining of sources, so I can't speak with any authority. g Janis On 10/5/09 4:21 PM, Bruce Jones juicebo...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that it is easier for a Splitter to move toward being a Lumper (by combining Master Sources) than it is for a Lumper to move towards being a Splitter. Do you agree? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
Evidence Explained says that a web site should not be used as a repository, so I don't. The only time I would have a repository is if it is a brick and mortar location like a genealogical library or personally owned copy. Web documents are digital images, and most templates have that capability. It's hard to find on some until you realize that a book image on the web is considered a reprint, so select book, reprint, online book, and then all the information goes in the right place. I had asked Legacy about it and never got a straight answer. I found it by accident while reading Ms. Mills and she mentioned the reprint issue. The more I use Legacy the easier it gets, but that's the normal way of things. Sure beats the old paper and pen method I was used to. Jim On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.ukwrote: Mike Fry wrote Perhaps this is why I see so many Americans opting to 'split' and Europeans opting to 'lump'! If so, then aren't the lumpers confusing Source and Repository? I don't make a great deal of use of Repository I must admit. An example of one of my Census Sources (first time citation) reads 1851 census of England; digital images, The Generations Network, Ancestry ( www.ancestry.co.uk); citing PRO HO107; Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, 1851. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1851. Data imaged from the National Archives, London, England. At the moment, all my Census information has come from Ancestry. In due course I will be obtaining some from FindMyPast, at which time I will add additional Master Sources for the Censuses from FMP. By the same token, I have several different Birth/Marriage/Death Index Master Sources because I access the GRO ones from both FreeBMD and Ancestry and Ancestry and have made various changes to their databases over the years and each Master Source relates to one database. So perhaps I'm not as much of a lumper as some database purists would like, but I definitely class myself as a lumper rather than a splitter! -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Legacy unable to lock file
It sounds to me like you've run out of virtual memory. In short, the computer has not got enough space to work with the pdf file that is being created. PDF files are notoriously big especially so when u add photo's to it. And if generating a 3500 page file...wow! Its going to be huge, and will take forever to open if u ever get it created. Think of your virtual memory like your desk, and your hard drive like your book shelf. ...when u work on a project you work on your desk and all your supplies are stored on your book shelf. If you don't have enough room on the desk...it makes working on the project extremely hard, or at the very least very time consuming moving stuff on and off the desk. Computers are the same way. That's why you're encouraged to have as much memory as possible. As a rule of thumb, your virtual memory should be at least twice the size of your RAM memory. The computer will automatically set it but generally no where near the proper size. You have the ability to change it, manually...(but you will get warning messages when you do so - don't worry about them) First, check how much space you have available. You said you have 4 GB of RAM. This means your should set your virtual memory to at least 8 GB (I would set mine to 8320 mb...which equates to 8 GB of space plus 128 kb - just to be safe). Make sure you have the available space on your hard drive as this is where your desk is carved out of. Assuming you have the space continue as indicated. My instructions are for XP...I don't use Vista as it is to problematic...even Microsoft is moving away from it. You'll have to make the necessary adjustments in finding the exact location 1) Right click on My Computer 2) Left click on Properties 3) Left click on the Advanced tab 4) Find the Virtual Memory section and click on the change button. 5) Set the Initial Size and the Maximum size to the same number...8320 (you set them both to the same size so the system takes all the room it will need at one time. Otherwise the computer will only take the bare minimum when it starts up and continue trying to take more as needed. It's similar to having to work on 10 or 12 small desks vs. 1 large desk. The large desk is what you want) 6) Click ok until you are backed right out. 7) Restart your computer You will now have enough virtual memory to properly work with your computer. Assuming your have the hard drive space available, I guarantee that ALL your programs will run better, not just Legacy. One word of caution...make sure you have enough disk space...or else you may lock your computer up and not get it to start Best of luck. Dan _ From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Evert van Dijken Sent: October 6, 2009 6:41 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy unable to lock file There could also be something wrong with writing permissions to a folder or drive (cd, dvd, usb?). Evert 2009/10/6 Robert57P_Gmail robert...@gmail.com Pat, How's your hard drive space? It might be having a problem creating some temporary work files on the drive due to lack of space. I'd also look over the drive for any left-over temp files that didn't get deleted after the crash. No, I'm not sure where to look - don't know where the PDF utility might put them. First place I'd look would be: C:\WINDOWS\TEMP C:\Documents and Settings\\My Documents(where is your log-in ID) Note that these locations might vary depending on what version of WIndows you have. Maybe a better method would be to use Microsoft's Disk cleanup utility. Under my XP, it is at: START, ALL PROGRAMS, ACCESSORIES, SYSTEM TOOLS, Disk Cleanup If it isn't there, you may need to install it. When it asks what you want to remove, you would want to check at least: Temporary Internet Files Temporary Files (this should catch both of the above directories) Note that there are some 3rd party utilities available that do the same thing - but their names escape me at the moment. You also may want to run a memory test utility to see if your memory has gone bad, but I suspect a full harddrive. Good luck, Bob Original Message - From: Pat mailto:r...@ntelos.net Hickin To: LEGACY mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 01:14 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy unable to lock file I am trying to create a .pdf (descendant narrative) with LOTS of pictures. Without the pictures I was unable to create the file easily (it was roughly 800 pages long). With the pictures, I get a repeated error message that says: Error opening temporary work file. Error 3050. Could not lock file. [I have no idea what is meant by locking a file.] Would you like to TRY IT AGAIN? I get this message several times, and the number of pages being created advances to c 3500! I have a LOT of pictures but I don't think I have
RE: [LegacyUG] how to print Event Address Coordinates
Hi Dede, there may be other ways to do this but this is what I would do. I would go to search Find Detailed Search enter on the first line the following: Individual, Burial Place, Contains, Cemetery at the bottom of the screen select clear list before search Create list. When the list comes up I would go to the bottom of the page and select Print when the List Report Options opens, under the Options Tab select : Vertical lines between columns, Line Numbers, Wrap long lines down columns; Go to Row 1 tab and select: Surname, Given Names; Click the Customize button, when the Customize Display screen opens go down to Father and click the button with the three dots The Field Name screen will open, about half way up this screen you will see Burial Lat/Long, click on it to highlight it and then click Select at the bottom. Close the Custom Display screen. You are now back to the List Report Options screen, now select Buried and Bur.L/L. Now select Preview to see if this is what you want. If you want more options included, remember that the report will get larger. I hope this helps, Leo Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 06:04:36 -0500 Subject: [LegacyUG] how to print Event Address Coordinates From: deanbuc...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com I think I know the answer to this, but I want to be sure I'm not missing something. Does anyone know of a way to print a report that shows Event Addresses and their map coordinates? I'm particularly interested in the cemeteries listed in my database. I'd like to know which ones I already have and which ones I need to find and enter. I can't find an option to print this info anywhere. I've looked at three different places and can't find a way to do this. 1. Search - Detailed Search 2. View - Master Lists - Address Lists - Events 3. Reports - Event Reports - doesn't even include burials, since it's not considered an Event. I've printed my event address list as mailing labels, but the only way I can find to get the Lat/Long info is to open each address from the list and see if the info is there or not. If anyone sees a way that I've missed, I'd love to hear from you. If you know for a fact that it can't be done, let me know that also. I've searched the archives, and it seems that I'm going to have to create a Cemetery event for each individual, then include the lat/long for each location. Seems a little redundant since that info is already included in the Burial field, but if that's what I have to do, I'll just dig in and get started. I was only going to do that for the large cemeteries where the coordinates are different for different graves. Most of my cemeteries are very small, rural cemeteries and one set of coordinates works for everyone buried there. Thanks for any help/ideas. Dede Holden Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports
The problem / BUG is that when the report is Previewed or in PDF, The Index/Indices is shown/printed. When it is Text or RTF (if allowed) the Index/Indices are NOT! If a report shows something in Preview, it needs to print it in ALL permissible formats! CE From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:08 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports It seems to be designed that way. If you go through each of the reports you will see what printing options are available on the right, under the image of the printer. Family and descendant will do text, html, and pdf. Pedigree will only do pdf. Not sure why they aren't available in rtf because it is certainly capable of doing it. My plan is to do all my writing in Word, and importing a pdf of group sheets, etc. as images into the document. I'm just disappointed that I can't create an rtf of the source report so that I could then create a bibliography and reference that in my text. Jim On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:23 AM, CE Wood wood...@msn.com wrote: I am trying to produce Individual, Family, Ancestor, Descendant, and Lineage Reports. When I choose Text file or HTML (there is no option for RTF), the file is produced without any indices, even though both Name and Location indices have been selected and do appear in Preview and PDF. Also, when using Publishing Center, the HTML report includes only the first chapter of the book even though Preview and PDF include all the chapters. And, in the book, the Name Index for the book includes ONLY the names from the first chapter. CE Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.420 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2409 - Release Date: 10/07/09 05:18:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] how to print Event Address Coordinates
This is what I do. - I put the cemetery name in the Location field instead of the Event Addresses - Since most of my ancestors are buried in one very large cemetery, I have created multiple Locations, one for each section of the cemetery (guess I am a location splitter) - So my locations look like this: - USA, Utah, Salt Lake, Salt Lake City Cemetery (E.8.1) (Sort name Utah, SLC Cemetery (E.8.1)) - USA, Utah, Salt Lake, Salt Lake City Cemetery (Park.36.2) To get a list of all cemeteries (and those in these cemeteries) I do the following: - Tag each desired cemetery location - In the Location Report I select Only Tagged Locations under Include and Include Latitude Longitude under Options For those locations without a Lat/Log (or not correct): - In the Master Location List, I find the correct site on the map and right click to set the Lat/Long Then I can create a map of the cemetery and where my ancestors are located in it. I can also click on any (cemetery) location and the map moves to place that location in the center of the screen. Probably not what you are looking for, but it is another way of approaching the issue. This is what I do. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Dede Holden deanbuc...@gmail.com wrote: I think I know the answer to this, but I want to be sure I'm not missing something. Does anyone know of a way to print a report that shows Event Addresses and their map coordinates? I'm particularly interested in the cemeteries listed in my database. I'd like to know which ones I already have and which ones I need to find and enter. I can't find an option to print this info anywhere. I've looked at three different places and can't find a way to do this. 1. Search - Detailed Search 2. View - Master Lists - Address Lists - Events 3. Reports - Event Reports - doesn't even include burials, since it's not considered an Event. I've printed my event address list as mailing labels, but the only way I can find to get the Lat/Long info is to open each address from the list and see if the info is there or not. If anyone sees a way that I've missed, I'd love to hear from you. If you know for a fact that it can't be done, let me know that also. I've searched the archives, and it seems that I'm going to have to create a Cemetery event for each individual, then include the lat/long for each location. Seems a little redundant since that info is already included in the Burial field, but if that's what I have to do, I'll just dig in and get started. I was only going to do that for the large cemeteries where the coordinates are different for different graves. Most of my cemeteries are very small, rural cemeteries and one set of coordinates works for everyone buried there. Thanks for any help/ideas. Dede Holden Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports
A pdf file is an image, similar to a jpg file. If it is created from a text file it has a text layer that can be indexed and modified, etc. It's quite easy to move a text or rtf file into pdf format, but a totally different matter to go the other way. I think the problem is that Legacy is a genealogical tool, not a reporting tool. The reporting section is very cumbersome and has no real formatting capabilities beyond the bare minimum. It might be better for them to partner with another company/program for the reporting functions. So far the main use I've seen in the report feature is to dump reports to the printer for proofreading and database corrections. I could never conceive of using it to create a document for publication. I did try to create one rtf report and got a single page that told me I could now import into my word processor and create an index because all the headings used heading tags. Very convenient, but the rest of the report was blank. (grin) Jim On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:21 AM, CE Wood wood...@msn.com wrote: The problem / BUG is that when the report is Previewed or in PDF, The Index/Indices is shown/printed. When it is Text or RTF (if allowed) the Index/Indices are NOT! If a report shows something in Preview, it needs to print it in ALL permissible formats! CE From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:08 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports It seems to be designed that way. If you go through each of the reports you will see what printing options are available on the right, under the image of the printer. Family and descendant will do text, html, and pdf. Pedigree will only do pdf. Not sure why they aren't available in rtf because it is certainly capable of doing it. My plan is to do all my writing in Word, and importing a pdf of group sheets, etc. as images into the document. I'm just disappointed that I can't create an rtf of the source report so that I could then create a bibliography and reference that in my text. Jim On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:23 AM, CE Wood wood...@msn.com wrote: I am trying to produce Individual, Family, Ancestor, Descendant, and Lineage Reports. When I choose Text file or HTML (there is no option for RTF), the file is produced without any indices, even though both Name and Location indices have been selected and do appear in Preview and PDF. Also, when using Publishing Center, the HTML report includes only the first chapter of the book even though Preview and PDF include all the chapters. And, in the book, the Name Index for the book includes ONLY the names from the first chapter. CE Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.420 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2409 - Release Date: 10/07/09 05:18:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports
Jim, Whilst I broadly agree with you comments regarding the Legacy reporting (except for the blank page which I have never experienced) as I have said before, it is my belief that those asking for what would amount to a fully fledged word processor as part of the program are asking for far too much. The total size of the package would be far too big for many, and why should Legacy reinvent the wheel when it is there in Word, Open Office and a number of other programs. If it is ever done then let us add onto the list a fully fledged web page designer, after all, why should the web creation section of users be not have an equivalent tool for their chosen method of publication. Naturally, it should have the attributes of Dreamweaver or Front Page in order to meet all the demands which may be required. It shouldn't really be any bigger than a word processor and the total package should come in at not a lot more than 200MB. Pity that this is too big for Africa and the rural areas of many other countries (including the USA) where dial up is on the only access, but those of us with broadband should be fine. Or maybe we should have several different versions with escalating prices in order to meet all the available customisations. Please don't think that I am suggesting for one minute, Jim, that this is your view, I feel sure that it isn't. In one form or an other this argument has been going on for years, so please excuse the rant :-) Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ - Original Message - From: Jim Walton To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 07 October 2009 20:42 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports A pdf file is an image, similar to a jpg file. If it is created from a text file it has a text layer that can be indexed and modified, etc. It's quite easy to move a text or rtf file into pdf format, but a totally different matter to go the other way. I think the problem is that Legacy is a genealogical tool, not a reporting tool. The reporting section is very cumbersome and has no real formatting capabilities beyond the bare minimum. It might be better for them to partner with another company/program for the reporting functions. So far the main use I've seen in the report feature is to dump reports to the printer for proofreading and database corrections. I could never conceive of using it to create a document for publication. I did try to create one rtf report and got a single page that told me I could now import into my word processor and create an index because all the headings used heading tags. Very convenient, but the rest of the report was blank. (grin) Jim On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:21 AM, CE Wood wood...@msn.com wrote: The problem / BUG is that when the report is Previewed or in PDF, The Index/Indices is shown/printed. When it is Text or RTF (if allowed) the Index/Indices are NOT! If a report shows something in Preview, it needs to print it in ALL permissible formats! CE From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:08 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports It seems to be designed that way. If you go through each of the reports you will see what printing options are available on the right, under the image of the printer. Family and descendant will do text, html, and pdf. Pedigree will only do pdf. Not sure why they aren't available in rtf because it is certainly capable of doing it. My plan is to do all my writing in Word, and importing a pdf of group sheets, etc. as images into the document. I'm just disappointed that I can't create an rtf of the source report so that I could then create a bibliography and reference that in my text. Jim On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:23 AM, CE Wood wood...@msn.com wrote: I am trying to produce Individual, Family, Ancestor, Descendant, and Lineage Reports. When I choose Text file or HTML (there is no option for RTF), the file is produced without any indices, even though both Name and Location indices have been selected and do appear in Preview and PDF. Also, when using Publishing Center, the HTML report includes only the first chapter of the book even though Preview and PDF include all the chapters. And, in the book, the Name Index for the book includes ONLY the names from the first chapter. CE Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical
RE: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports
I am not asking Legacy to be a word processor. I am asking that, when a report is Previewed and there are check boxes for printing various types of files, that those options be produced in whatever format which has a checkbox. The simplest would be a text file because then you could format the file in your word processor. When the opening page allows you to choose Index Options, you assume that the indices will be produced in whatever format is allowed, i.e. Screen/Printer, Text file, HTML, RTF, PDF. When the Preview shows you a report that includes indices, you assume that when produced in one of the formats with a check box, that the indices will be produced when you choose one of those formats. This does not happen! The indices are missing!!! THAT is what the problem is. CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:19 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports Jim, Whilst I broadly agree with you comments regarding the Legacy reporting (except for the blank page which I have never experienced) as I have said before, it is my belief that those asking for what would amount to a fully fledged word processor as part of the program are asking for far too much. The total size of the package would be far too big for many, and why should Legacy reinvent the wheel when it is there in Word, Open Office and a number of other programs. If it is ever done then let us add onto the list a fully fledged web page designer, after all, why should the web creation section of users be not have an equivalent tool for their chosen method of publication. Naturally, it should have the attributes of Dreamweaver or Front Page in order to meet all the demands which may be required. It shouldn't really be any bigger than a word processor and the total package should come in at not a lot more than 200MB. Pity that this is too big for Africa and the rural areas of many other countries (including the USA) where dial up is on the only access, but those of us with broadband should be fine. Or maybe we should have several different versions with escalating prices in order to meet all the available customisations. Please don't think that I am suggesting for one minute, Jim, that this is your view, I feel sure that it isn't. In one form or an other this argument has been going on for years, so please excuse the rant :-) Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ - Original Message - From: Jim Walton To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 07 October 2009 20:42 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports A pdf file is an image, similar to a jpg file. If it is created from a text file it has a text layer that can be indexed and modified, etc. It's quite easy to move a text or rtf file into pdf format, but a totally different matter to go the other way. I think the problem is that Legacy is a genealogical tool, not a reporting tool. The reporting section is very cumbersome and has no real formatting capabilities beyond the bare minimum. It might be better for them to partner with another company/program for the reporting functions. So far the main use I've seen in the report feature is to dump reports to the printer for proofreading and database corrections. I could never conceive of using it to create a document for publication. I did try to create one rtf report and got a single page that told me I could now import into my word processor and create an index because all the headings used heading tags. Very convenient, but the rest of the report was blank. (grin) Jim On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:21 AM, CE Wood wood...@msn.com wrote: The problem / BUG is that when the report is Previewed or in PDF, The Index/Indices is shown/printed. When it is Text or RTF (if allowed) the Index/Indices are NOT! If a report shows something in Preview, it needs to print it in ALL permissible formats! CE From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:08 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports It seems to be designed that way. If you go through each of the reports you will see what printing options are available on the right, under the image of the printer. Family and descendant will do text, html, and pdf. Pedigree will only do pdf. Not sure why they aren't available in rtf because it is certainly
Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports
I agree totally. I think the report tool should be used for personal reports for either archiving or editing purposes, and a totally separate program needs to be used for publishing. Naturally users of the program would like an all-in-one solution, but Microsoft can't even get their suite of office apps to play nice together. I think the Legacy programmers should stick to what they do best, creating the best genealogy program available. That's why I suggested a partnership with another group whose specialty is publishing. A good team would be unbeatable. All that needs to be done is to create hooks between the two so that there is a seamless interface between what Legacy produces and what the document writer needs. I think that for Millennia to get wrapped around the documentation axle would detract from what they need to be doing, keeping the best program as the best. Jim On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.ukwrote: Jim, Whilst I broadly agree with you comments regarding the Legacy reporting (except for the blank page which I have never experienced) as I have said before, it is my belief that those asking for what would amount to a fully fledged word processor as part of the program are asking for far too much. The total size of the package would be far too big for many, and why should Legacy reinvent the wheel when it is there in Word, Open Office and a number of other programs. If it is ever done then let us add onto the list a fully fledged web page designer, after all, why should the web creation section of users be not have an equivalent tool for their chosen method of publication. Naturally, it should have the attributes of Dreamweaver or Front Page in order to meet all the demands which may be required. It shouldn't really be any bigger than a word processor and the total package should come in at not a lot more than 200MB. Pity that this is too big for Africa and the rural areas of many other countries (including the USA) where dial up is on the only access, but those of us with broadband should be fine. Or maybe we should have several different versions with escalating prices in order to meet all the available customisations. Please don't think that I am suggesting for one minute, Jim, that this is your view, I feel sure that it isn't. In one form or an other this argument has been going on for years, so please excuse the rant :-) Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ - Original Message - From: Jim Walton To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 07 October 2009 20:42 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports A pdf file is an image, similar to a jpg file. If it is created from a text file it has a text layer that can be indexed and modified, etc. It's quite easy to move a text or rtf file into pdf format, but a totally different matter to go the other way. I think the problem is that Legacy is a genealogical tool, not a reporting tool. The reporting section is very cumbersome and has no real formatting capabilities beyond the bare minimum. It might be better for them to partner with another company/program for the reporting functions. So far the main use I've seen in the report feature is to dump reports to the printer for proofreading and database corrections. I could never conceive of using it to create a document for publication. I did try to create one rtf report and got a single page that told me I could now import into my word processor and create an index because all the headings used heading tags. Very convenient, but the rest of the report was blank. (grin) Jim On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 1:21 AM, CE Wood wood...@msn.com wrote: The problem / BUG is that when the report is Previewed or in PDF, The Index/Indices is shown/printed. When it is Text or RTF (if allowed) the Index/Indices are NOT! If a report shows something in Preview, it needs to print it in ALL permissible formats! CE From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:08 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports It seems to be designed that way. If you go through each of the reports you will see what printing options are available on the right, under the image of the printer. Family and descendant will do text, html, and pdf. Pedigree will only do pdf. Not sure why they aren't available in rtf because it is certainly capable of doing it. My plan is to do all my writing in Word, and importing
Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports
All programs, whether genealogy ones or otherwise, can only produce what is allowed by software specifications. For examaple it is not possible to have indices in a .txt file, the number itself will appear, but not superscripted. Nor will such a file allow diagrams. In general, and I am not saying always it is restrictions such as these which limit the form of the output. I do not suggest that is the sole reason only mostly! I imagine some are not available because nobody thought that someone might wish to produce something in a format which is never used for that purpose (can't think of an example at present though). RTFs are a constant problem as different programs seem to have different interpretations of the specification, so there is a lack of consistency between programs - about the only thing which is constant with RTFs :-). As someone else observed wrt to PDFs the one in question could simply have been to big for the PC no matter how much RAM was available. I've never had a problem with them, but I am never likely to have 400 pages either. HTML does allow indices and have yet to find them not appearing as superscripts, and I produce many thousands of Legacy generated HTML pages each month. There were problems with Sources when V7 was first released but apart from an odd unusual one which crops up occasionally, I would say they have now been resolved. All software has their own idiocincracies which to someone used to another similar product (and that is not a comment directed at yourself, as I have no idea as to your experience with other software) might be regarded as a bug. I did not, btw, suggest that you were asking for a wordprocessor, simply that the discussion was yet again drifting in that well documented direction. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ CE Wood wrote: I am not asking Legacy to be a word processor. I am asking that, when a report is Previewed and there are check boxes for printing various types of files, that those options be produced in whatever format which has a checkbox. The simplest would be a text file because then you could format the file in your word processor. When the opening page allows you to choose Index Options, you assume that the indices will be produced in whatever format is allowed, i.e. Screen/Printer, Text file, HTML, RTF, PDF. When the Preview shows you a report that includes indices, you assume that when produced in one of the formats with a check box, that the indices will be produced when you choose one of those formats. This does not happen! The indices are missing!!! THAT is what the problem is. CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:19 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports Jim, Whilst I broadly agree with you comments regarding the Legacy reporting (except for the blank page which I have never experienced) as I have said before, it is my belief that those asking for what would amount to a fully fledged word processor as part of the program are asking for far too much. The total size of the package would be far too big for many, and why should Legacy reinvent the wheel when it is there in Word, Open Office and a number of other programs. If it is ever done then let us add onto the list a fully fledged web page designer, after all, why should the web creation section of users be not have an equivalent tool for their chosen method of publication. Naturally, it should have the attributes of Dreamweaver or Front Page in order to meet all the demands which may be required. It shouldn't really be any bigger than a word processor and the total package should come in at not a lot more than 200MB. Pity that this is too big for Africa and the rural areas of many other countries (including the USA) where dial up is on the only access, but those of us with broadband should be fine. Or maybe we should have several different versions with escalating prices in order to meet all the available customisations. Please don't think that I am suggesting for one minute, Jim, that this is your view, I feel sure that it isn't. In one form or an other this argument has been going on for years, so please excuse the rant :-) Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England
RE: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports
You said: HTML does allow indices and have yet to find them not appearing as superscripts, and I produce many thousands of Legacy generated HTML pages each month. Individual Report, Family Group Records, Descendant Chart, Ancestor Chart, and Lineage Chart, all of which have the check box for HTML, and which do produce Indices in Preview and PDF, do NOT produce Indices in either text or HTML. Individual Report and Family Group Records, which allow sources, DO produce Sources in both HTML and Text. CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:51 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports All programs, whether genealogy ones or otherwise, can only produce what is allowed by software specifications. For examaple it is not possible to have indices in a .txt file, the number itself will appear, but not superscripted. Nor will such a file allow diagrams. In general, and I am not saying always it is restrictions such as these which limit the form of the output. I do not suggest that is the sole reason only mostly! I imagine some are not available because nobody thought that someone might wish to produce something in a format which is never used for that purpose (can't think of an example at present though). RTFs are a constant problem as different programs seem to have different interpretations of the specification, so there is a lack of consistency between programs - about the only thing which is constant with RTFs :-). As someone else observed wrt to PDFs the one in question could simply have been to big for the PC no matter how much RAM was available. I've never had a problem with them, but I am never likely to have 400 pages either. HTML does allow indices and have yet to find them not appearing as superscripts, and I produce many thousands of Legacy generated HTML pages each month. There were problems with Sources when V7 was first released but apart from an odd unusual one which crops up occasionally, I would say they have now been resolved. All software has their own idiocincracies which to someone used to another similar product (and that is not a comment directed at yourself, as I have no idea as to your experience with other software) might be regarded as a bug. I did not, btw, suggest that you were asking for a wordprocessor, simply that the discussion was yet again drifting in that well documented direction. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ CE Wood wrote: I am not asking Legacy to be a word processor. I am asking that, when a report is Previewed and there are check boxes for printing various types of files, that those options be produced in whatever format which has a checkbox. The simplest would be a text file because then you could format the file in your word processor. When the opening page allows you to choose Index Options, you assume that the indices will be produced in whatever format is allowed, i.e. Screen/Printer, Text file, HTML, RTF, PDF. When the Preview shows you a report that includes indices, you assume that when produced in one of the formats with a check box, that the indices will be produced when you choose one of those formats. This does not happen! The indices are missing!!! THAT is what the problem is. CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:19 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports Jim, Whilst I broadly agree with you comments regarding the Legacy reporting (except for the blank page which I have never experienced) as I have said before, it is my belief that those asking for what would amount to a fully fledged word processor as part of the program are asking for far too much. The total size of the package would be far too big for many, and why should Legacy reinvent the wheel when it is there in Word, Open Office and a number of other programs. If it is ever done then let us add onto the list a fully fledged web page designer, after all, why should the web creation section of users be not have an equivalent tool for their chosen method of publication. Naturally, it should have the attributes of Dreamweaver or Front Page in order to meet all the demands which may be required. It shouldn't really be any bigger than a word processor and the total package should come in at not a lot
Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports
Of course the Individual Report, Family Group Records, Descendant Chart, Ancestor Chart amd Lineage Chart do not have sources - why should they when they don't have Sources, where would they be used? I have already said in a previous post that .txt files do *not* allow superscripts. That is to do with the text format itself. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ CE Wood wrote: You said: HTML does allow indices and have yet to find them not appearing as superscripts, and I produce many thousands of Legacy generated HTML pages each month. Individual Report, Family Group Records, Descendant Chart, Ancestor Chart, and Lineage Chart, all of which have the check box for HTML, and which do produce Indices in Preview and PDF, do NOT produce Indices in either text or HTML. Individual Report and Family Group Records, which allow sources, DO produce Sources in both HTML and Text. CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:51 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports All programs, whether genealogy ones or otherwise, can only produce what is allowed by software specifications. For examaple it is not possible to have indices in a .txt file, the number itself will appear, but not superscripted. Nor will such a file allow diagrams. In general, and I am not saying always it is restrictions such as these which limit the form of the output. I do not suggest that is the sole reason only mostly! I imagine some are not available because nobody thought that someone might wish to produce something in a format which is never used for that purpose (can't think of an example at present though). RTFs are a constant problem as different programs seem to have different interpretations of the specification, so there is a lack of consistency between programs - about the only thing which is constant with RTFs :-). As someone else observed wrt to PDFs the one in question could simply have been to big for the PC no matter how much RAM was available. I've never had a problem with them, but I am never likely to have 400 pages either. HTML does allow indices and have yet to find them not appearing as superscripts, and I produce many thousands of Legacy generated HTML pages each month. There were problems with Sources when V7 was first released but apart from an odd unusual one which crops up occasionally, I would say they have now been resolved. All software has their own idiocincracies which to someone used to another similar product (and that is not a comment directed at yourself, as I have no idea as to your experience with other software) might be regarded as a bug. I did not, btw, suggest that you were asking for a wordprocessor, simply that the discussion was yet again drifting in that well documented direction. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ CE Wood wrote: I am not asking Legacy to be a word processor. I am asking that, when a report is Previewed and there are check boxes for printing various types of files, that those options be produced in whatever format which has a checkbox. The simplest would be a text file because then you could format the file in your word processor. When the opening page allows you to choose Index Options, you assume that the indices will be produced in whatever format is allowed, i.e. Screen/Printer, Text file, HTML, RTF, PDF. When the Preview shows you a report that includes indices, you assume that when produced in one of the formats with a check box, that the indices will be produced when you choose one of those formats. This does not happen! The indices are missing!!! THAT is what the problem is. CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:19 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports Jim, Whilst I broadly agree with you comments regarding the Legacy reporting (except for the blank page which I have never experienced) as I have said before, it is my belief that those asking for what would amount to a fully fledged word processor as part of the program are
Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:23:04 -0700, CE Wood wood...@msn.com wrote: I am trying to produce Individual, Family, Ancestor, Descendant, and Lineage Reports. When I choose Text file or HTML (there is no option for RTF), the file is produced without any indices, even though both Name and Location indices have been selected and do appear in Preview and PDF. Also, when using Publishing Center, the HTML report includes only the first chapter of the book even though Preview and PDF include all the chapters. And, in the book, the Name Index for the book includes ONLY the names from the first chapter. Enter a suggestion at... http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/suggest.asp -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports
Correction, My last post should, of course, have said .do not have indices - why should they when they don't have Sources Sorry. Ron Ferguson Ron Ferguson wrote: Of course the Individual Report, Family Group Records, Descendant Chart, Ancestor Chart amd Lineage Chart do not have sources - why should they when they don't have Sources, where would they be used? I have already said in a previous post that .txt files do *not* allow superscripts. That is to do with the text format itself. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ CE Wood wrote: You said: HTML does allow indices and have yet to find them not appearing as superscripts, and I produce many thousands of Legacy generated HTML pages each month. Individual Report, Family Group Records, Descendant Chart, Ancestor Chart, and Lineage Chart, all of which have the check box for HTML, and which do produce Indices in Preview and PDF, do NOT produce Indices in either text or HTML. Individual Report and Family Group Records, which allow sources, DO produce Sources in both HTML and Text. CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:51 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports All programs, whether genealogy ones or otherwise, can only produce what is allowed by software specifications. For examaple it is not possible to have indices in a .txt file, the number itself will appear, but not superscripted. Nor will such a file allow diagrams. In general, and I am not saying always it is restrictions such as these which limit the form of the output. I do not suggest that is the sole reason only mostly! I imagine some are not available because nobody thought that someone might wish to produce something in a format which is never used for that purpose (can't think of an example at present though). RTFs are a constant problem as different programs seem to have different interpretations of the specification, so there is a lack of consistency between programs - about the only thing which is constant with RTFs :-). As someone else observed wrt to PDFs the one in question could simply have been to big for the PC no matter how much RAM was available. I've never had a problem with them, but I am never likely to have 400 pages either. HTML does allow indices and have yet to find them not appearing as superscripts, and I produce many thousands of Legacy generated HTML pages each month. There were problems with Sources when V7 was first released but apart from an odd unusual one which crops up occasionally, I would say they have now been resolved. All software has their own idiocincracies which to someone used to another similar product (and that is not a comment directed at yourself, as I have no idea as to your experience with other software) might be regarded as a bug. I did not, btw, suggest that you were asking for a wordprocessor, simply that the discussion was yet again drifting in that well documented direction. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ CE Wood wrote: I am not asking Legacy to be a word processor. I am asking that, when a report is Previewed and there are check boxes for printing various types of files, that those options be produced in whatever format which has a checkbox. The simplest would be a text file because then you could format the file in your word processor. When the opening page allows you to choose Index Options, you assume that the indices will be produced in whatever format is allowed, i.e. Screen/Printer, Text file, HTML, RTF, PDF. When the Preview shows you a report that includes indices, you assume that when produced in one of the formats with a check box, that the indices will be produced when you choose one of those formats. This does not happen! The indices are missing!!! THAT is what the problem is. CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:19 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports Jim, Whilst I broadly agree with you comments regarding the Legacy reporting (except for the blank page
RE: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports
This thread is NOT ABOUT SOURCES!!! You mentioned that Sources WERE in your HTML files, so I responded to that. This thread is about INDICES - Name Index and Location Index. Reached from the pages Individual Report, Family Group Records, etc., included in your report or chart by checking the box Index Options Clicking on Index Options... takes you to the Name Index tab and the Location Index tab where you can make choices about what each Index will include. Checking the box marked Index Options... means you want one or both Indices (depending what you chose) to be included in your report or chart. NO Indices appear in either HTML or Text file, but DO appear in Preview and PDF. That is the problem CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:30 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports Of course the Individual Report, Family Group Records, Descendant Chart, Ancestor Chart amd Lineage Chart do not have sources - why should they when they don't have Sources, where would they be used? I have already said in a previous post that .txt files do *not* allow superscripts. That is to do with the text format itself. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ CE Wood wrote: You said: HTML does allow indices and have yet to find them not appearing as superscripts, and I produce many thousands of Legacy generated HTML pages each month. Individual Report, Family Group Records, Descendant Chart, Ancestor Chart, and Lineage Chart, all of which have the check box for HTML, and which do produce Indices in Preview and PDF, do NOT produce Indices in either text or HTML. Individual Report and Family Group Records, which allow sources, DO produce Sources in both HTML and Text. CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:51 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports All programs, whether genealogy ones or otherwise, can only produce what is allowed by software specifications. For examaple it is not possible to have indices in a .txt file, the number itself will appear, but not superscripted. Nor will such a file allow diagrams. In general, and I am not saying always it is restrictions such as these which limit the form of the output. I do not suggest that is the sole reason only mostly! I imagine some are not available because nobody thought that someone might wish to produce something in a format which is never used for that purpose (can't think of an example at present though). RTFs are a constant problem as different programs seem to have different interpretations of the specification, so there is a lack of consistency between programs - about the only thing which is constant with RTFs :-). As someone else observed wrt to PDFs the one in question could simply have been to big for the PC no matter how much RAM was available. I've never had a problem with them, but I am never likely to have 400 pages either. HTML does allow indices and have yet to find them not appearing as superscripts, and I produce many thousands of Legacy generated HTML pages each month. There were problems with Sources when V7 was first released but apart from an odd unusual one which crops up occasionally, I would say they have now been resolved. All software has their own idiocincracies which to someone used to another similar product (and that is not a comment directed at yourself, as I have no idea as to your experience with other software) might be regarded as a bug. I did not, btw, suggest that you were asking for a wordprocessor, simply that the discussion was yet again drifting in that well documented direction. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ CE Wood wrote: I am not asking Legacy to be a word processor. I am asking that, when a report is Previewed and there are check boxes for printing various types of files, that those options be produced in whatever format which has a checkbox. The simplest would be a text file because then you could format
Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports
Dennis M. Kowallek wrote: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:23:04 -0700, CE Wood wood...@msn.com wrote: I am trying to produce Individual, Family, Ancestor, Descendant, and Lineage Reports. When I choose Text file or HTML (there is no option for RTF), the file is produced without any indices, even though both Name and Location indices have been selected and do appear in Preview and PDF. Also, when using Publishing Center, the HTML report includes only the first chapter of the book even though Preview and PDF include all the chapters. And, in the book, the Name Index for the book includes ONLY the names from the first chapter. Enter a suggestion at... http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/suggest.asp It was only when I read your post, Dennis, that I realised I had a translation problem, and the OP was concerned indexes! I will have to check whether that is true or otherwise. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports
Dennis M. Kowallek wrote: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:23:04 -0700, CE Wood wood...@msn.com wrote: I am trying to produce Individual, Family, Ancestor, Descendant, and Lineage Reports. When I choose Text file or HTML (there is no option for RTF), the file is produced without any indices, even though both Name and Location indices have been selected and do appear in Preview and PDF. Also, when using Publishing Center, the HTML report includes only the first chapter of the book even though Preview and PDF include all the chapters. And, in the book, the Name Index for the book includes ONLY the names from the first chapter. Enter a suggestion at... http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/suggest.asp Ok, I can now confirm the first paragraph, I have not looked at the other two, but since two pages of both the txt and html files will be required to have an index I suspect that the answer will be not to offer an index with these two format - I can't really see the use for one really. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports
Please see my comment in response to Dennis - an INDICES over here is used as a superscripted number referencing another place, or a power to which a number may be raised. x squared would have an indices of 2. The superscripted number referencing a source is an indices. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ CE Wood wrote: This thread is NOT ABOUT SOURCES!!! You mentioned that Sources WERE in your HTML files, so I responded to that. This thread is about INDICES - Name Index and Location Index. Reached from the pages Individual Report, Family Group Records, etc., included in your report or chart by checking the box Index Options Clicking on Index Options... takes you to the Name Index tab and the Location Index tab where you can make choices about what each Index will include. Checking the box marked Index Options... means you want one or both Indices (depending what you chose) to be included in your report or chart. NO Indices appear in either HTML or Text file, but DO appear in Preview and PDF. That is the problem CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:30 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports Of course the Individual Report, Family Group Records, Descendant Chart, Ancestor Chart amd Lineage Chart do not have sources - why should they when they don't have Sources, where would they be used? I have already said in a previous post that .txt files do *not* allow superscripts. That is to do with the text format itself. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ CE Wood wrote: You said: HTML does allow indices and have yet to find them not appearing as superscripts, and I produce many thousands of Legacy generated HTML pages each month. Individual Report, Family Group Records, Descendant Chart, Ancestor Chart, and Lineage Chart, all of which have the check box for HTML, and which do produce Indices in Preview and PDF, do NOT produce Indices in either text or HTML. Individual Report and Family Group Records, which allow sources, DO produce Sources in both HTML and Text. CE -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Ron Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:51 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports All programs, whether genealogy ones or otherwise, can only produce what is allowed by software specifications. For examaple it is not possible to have indices in a .txt file, the number itself will appear, but not superscripted. Nor will such a file allow diagrams. In general, and I am not saying always it is restrictions such as these which limit the form of the output. I do not suggest that is the sole reason only mostly! I imagine some are not available because nobody thought that someone might wish to produce something in a format which is never used for that purpose (can't think of an example at present though). RTFs are a constant problem as different programs seem to have different interpretations of the specification, so there is a lack of consistency between programs - about the only thing which is constant with RTFs :-). As someone else observed wrt to PDFs the one in question could simply have been to big for the PC no matter how much RAM was available. I've never had a problem with them, but I am never likely to have 400 pages either. HTML does allow indices and have yet to find them not appearing as superscripts, and I produce many thousands of Legacy generated HTML pages each month. There were problems with Sources when V7 was first released but apart from an odd unusual one which crops up occasionally, I would say they have now been resolved. All software has their own idiocincracies which to someone used to another similar product (and that is not a comment directed at yourself, as I have no idea as to your experience with other software) might be regarded as a bug. I did not, btw, suggest that you were asking for a wordprocessor, simply that the discussion was yet again drifting in that well documented direction. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial:
Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 23:58:35 +0100, Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: It was only when I read your post, Dennis, that I realised I had a translation problem, and the OP was concerned indexes! Yeah, I thought you might have been thinking of superscripts. If true (I have no reason to doubt the OP), the OP should make the suggestion to the programmers and move on. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports
You people drive on the wrong side of the street anyhow. :-) Brian in CA -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:rnldfe...@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 4:32 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports Please see my comment in response to Dennis - an INDICES over here is used as a superscripted number referencing another place, or a power to which a number may be raised. x squared would have an indices of 2. The superscripted number referencing a source is an indices. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports
CE, I believe the limitations you are experiencing are part and parcel of the type of output you are requesting, rather than a limitation of Legacy. Asking for a text file will automatically strip / not pick up the coding which allows for the creation of an index - just as it strips / does not pick up any coding relating to font, bold, italics etc. It produces a text document only. With the .rtf document it includes something like the following [ Note: Using your word processor, generate an Index here. ] [ All names have been marked as index entries in this document. ] [ Erase these three lines. ] at the end of the document so you can use your word processor to create the index. I find this invaluable, because I don't create the index until I have edited the .rtf which may put people onto different pages as I move things, change the size of photos etc. So the .rtf version retains the index markings, but allows you to still create an index once you have finished editing. The other versions you cannot edit (unless you have a fully fledged PDF creator / editor) so there is no need to hold off creating the index. Cheers Jan -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of CE Wood Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2009 8:07 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] No report indices in text format, other bugs in reports I am not asking Legacy to be a word processor. I am asking that, when a report is Previewed and there are check boxes for printing various types of files, that those options be produced in whatever format which has a checkbox. The simplest would be a text file because then you could format the file in your word processor. When the opening page allows you to choose Index Options, you assume that the indices will be produced in whatever format is allowed, i.e. Screen/Printer, Text file, HTML, RTF, PDF. When the Preview shows you a report that includes indices, you assume that when produced in one of the formats with a check box, that the indices will be produced when you choose one of those formats. This does not happen! The indices are missing!!! THAT is what the problem is. CE Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Some report problems
In trying to test some report behaviour in order to respond to the index problems experienced by CE I discovered a couple of other problems in .rtf reports. After the lines giving instructions about creating your own index I get a short second set of source citations, numbered from 1. again. There is plenty or room for these citations to fit on the last page of the long list of citations. The second problem is that if a direct descendant is married their picture doesn't appear - only that of their spouse. If the direct descendant is unmarried their picture appears. I have options set for show pictures of husband and wife, show all preferred. They have always shown in other reports, specifically the Descendant Narrative. Can anyone reproduce? Cheers Jan Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
