RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Sysadm]

Have you ever watched that brilliant sit-com Cheers?

Have a look at the sign that hangs over the door and see if you can work out 
when this particular business was formed.

Regards,
Tom

-Original Message-
From: JV Leavitt [mailto:jleavi...@att.net]
Sent: 07 January 2014 03:27
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

As one of the rest of you, allow me to pipe in here.  I suppose an honest, 
though humorous entry would be guess instead of Estimated, but Estimated 
means the same to me anyway. Moreover, I have come to regard the term about, or 
abt to mean 'guess,' since, most of the time, you find it to have been a (wild) 
guess. Sometimes it is based on an often used formula, but isn't that also a 
guess? I rather like using the term Estimated. I must admit that I've used Est 
as an abbreviation for that, but since I've learned from this list that some of 
you think that Est means Established, I will, in the future, spell it out. 
sigh

Joseph Leavitt



On 1/6/2014 6:46 PM, Bob Austen wrote:

 Hi Jay,

 Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and
 when/how do the rest of you use the term?  I’ve not seen it used for
 another particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you
 understand it and what others are expecting to see by that.  Would you use 
 ‘Est’
  as a guess/fill in date?I also use FTM and the default is to
 change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt.  I want to differentiate between that
 terminology and my guess.

 I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will
 most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an
 estimate/guess) to better sort the individual.

 Bob

 *From:*Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

 Bob,

 You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not
 a calculated date.  Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a
 calculated date.

 However you use the program within your PC. and is
 best for you ..is great.

 But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take
 into consideration that others will never know you changed the
 expected data.

 On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net
 mailto:rgaus...@telus.net wrote:

 If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)
 I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess.  In my file I know that a
 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source.

 Bob


 -Original Message-
 From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com
 mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

 I have now confused myself:

 Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890

 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818

 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
 source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of
 above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth
 dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born
 child

 Any more suggestions please ?

 Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney



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Re: [LegacyUG] Data files

[Robert57P_gmail]

Open the file in legacy 7.  Here are some things you can can try to
figure out where it is and what it is called:
* Look at the top of the Legacy 7 window, it may have the path/filename
(but it may not show the full path  name, depends on length??)
* Click on FILE, and look at the list on the bottom of this menu item.
This contains the full path and name for me.
* Click on OPTIONS, GENERAL, STARTING FAMILY FILE - do you have the name
here?
* Click on OPTIONS, LOCATIONS - your file MIGHT be in the location
specified (but not always, depends on how you opened it).  Plus this may
contain other files you've created, so it may not help.
* File, Save As (but do NOT save it) - this MIGHT show you the location
and name of your file (it works in many programs, but I just tried it in
Legacy 7 and it did NOT work for me . . . )
* When the file is opened, click on HELP, then GENERAL INFO.  Look in
the FILE INFORMATION box
* If all else fails, open your file in Legacy 7, do a backup. Backup
EVERYTHING.  Make a note of where you save the backup and what you named
it.  Include Media files.  Then, in Legacy 8, do a FILE, RESTORE FILE,
and pick that file.  Pay attention to where you save it and what you
call it.

Hopefully one of the above ideas will get you what your old file was
called and where it is.  Now shut down Legacy 7 and start up Legacy 8

Once you've opened it in Legacy 8, it should then show up in your list
for the next go-around.  NOTE - if you picked always create a list for
me to choose from, it will probably always give you a long list since
it scans the hard drive and shows you ALL(?) Legacy files that you have
ever created.  You will probably be better off using the windows dialog
box and manually going to the folder where you know the file is
located.  Change the display to DETAILS and look at the DATE MODIFIED
column.

Note - when you first open it in Legacy 8, it will give you options for
conversion - I'd suggest you do NOT just convert my family file and
open it - instead use one of the other 2 options and pay attention to
what it is called and where it is saved (I think it shows you this . . .
I'm not sure).

Once you've opened each file once, instead of clicking on FILE/OPEN -
instead click on SYSTEM (or the big blue logo in upper left) and look at
the Recent Family Files.

Bob

On 01/06/2014 23:25, Pat Hickin wrote:
 Thanks, Sherry, I found the design button!

 And, Wendy,  You're right, I don't know the name of the file or the
 folder, though I think that with all your help I have now found the file!

 Thanks!

 Pat


 On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Sherry/Support
 she...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 Far top right is the Design button.


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree


 On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Pat Hickin pph...@gmail.com
 mailto:pph...@gmail.com wrote:
  I have the round L button -- but now I don't see the
 DesignStyles -- I
  looked in Help for Design and there is nothing.
 
  Pat
 
 
  On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Sherry/Support
 she...@legacyfamilytree.com mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com
  wrote:
 
  It's the 10 last *viewed*, not modified.
 
  In the upper left corner you'll find either a System button or a
  round L button, depending on the style chosen under Design 
 Styles
  (upper right corner)
 
 
  Sincerely,
  Sherry
  Technical Support
  Legacy Family Tree



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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture

[Jo Poi]

Well at least three of us agree on which is the easiest way...

Jo Poi

On 06 January 2014 at 11:36 PM, CE WOOD  wrote:Also, I have
thousands of pictures for locations, which for me, includes abbeys,
castles, churches, maps (used for old empires, battlefields),
graveyards, etc.  I attach those pictures in the Master Location list.
I can't attach pictures to a location in Picture List, only to a
person. If someone is buried in Tintern Abbey, I do not want a picture
of Tintern Abbey attached to the individual; I want it attached to
Tintern Abbey. Can't do that in Picture List.
CE
-
 From: whbosw...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 18:18:02 -0500
I would only use the Picture Center if I have a lot of images to add
to different people, otherwise I would do it on the Individual page
too.
Bill Boswell
From: CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 4:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
Hmmm I add individuals and their events on the Individual page,
adding the pictures at the same time as I add the events, which is the
easiest way to do it.

CE
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From: whbosw...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 15:51:17 -0500

You can add the picture to persons and their events within the
Picture Center.  I've never had to leave Picture Center to go to an
individual to add pictures.  Generally I add all the information to
the pictures first before attaching them to any people.  In the
Picture List, you will first have to browse to the folder where your
pictures are located then attach them.
Bill Boswell

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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Alex MacPhee]

Like a person who died on Nov. 4, 1975 and his tombstone reads aged 51 Years, 
9 Months 18 days.
And even the date on a tombstone can be wrong, as I'm sure most will be aware. 
The date of death on my father's stone is wrong (it's a long story, but it was 
put there by an aunt without permission or the family's knowledge), and we're 
now having to have it corrected.


Alex

From: rgaus...@telus.net
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 21:49:08 -0800

Many thanks, I see the significance.  From: Jay 1FamilyTree 
[mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 9:43 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt A Calculated date 
would most usually be a date of birth that is calculated from the date of death 
as some times stated on older death records. Like a person who died on Nov. 4, 
1975 and his tombstone reads aged 51 Years, 9 Months 18 days.Since there is no 
birth record to substantiate an exact date, the date should be listed as Cal. 
Jan 22, 1824.Many young infants who have death records and no birth records 
can be found are often using a calculated birth date based upon the age notaded 
in the death register. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Bob Austen 
rgaus...@telus.net wrote:Hi Jay, Help me out here, what is the norm for 
‘calculated date’, and when/how do the rest of you use the term?  I’ve not seen 
it used for another particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you 
understand it and what others are expecting to see by that.  Would you use 
‘Est’  as a guess/fill in date?I also use FTM and the default is to change 
circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt.  I want to differentiate between that terminology and 
my guess.   I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will 
most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an estimate/guess) to 
better sort the individual.   Bob From: Jay 1FamilyTree 
[mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt Bob,  You do the 
rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not a calculated date.  
Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a calculated date.  However you 
use the program within your PC. and is best for you ..is 
great. But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take 
into consideration that others will never know you changed the expected data.   
  On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net wrote:If a 
census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)  I use Cal 
(Calculated) for my best guess.  In my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* 
guess and did not come from any other source.

Bob


-Original Message-
From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

I have now confused myself:

Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890

Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818

Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above 
child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming 
parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child

Any more suggestions please ?

Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney



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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Alex MacPhee]

I've used Est as an abbreviation for that,
 but since I've learned from this list that some of you think that Est
 means Established
That's a good point. I wonder if perhaps Ver(ified) for Est(ablished) could 
avoid the ambiguity.


Alex

 From: jleavi...@att.net
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
 Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 19:27:18 -0800

 As one of the rest of you, allow me to pipe in here.  I suppose an
 honest, though humorous entry would be guess instead of Estimated, but
 Estimated means the same to me anyway. Moreover, I have come to regard
 the term about, or abt to mean 'guess,' since, most of the time, you
 find it to have been a (wild) guess. Sometimes it is based on an often
 used formula, but isn't that also a guess? I rather like using the term
 Estimated. I must admit that I've used Est as an abbreviation for that,
 but since I've learned from this list that some of you think that Est
 means Established, I will, in the future, spell it out. sigh

 Joseph Leavitt



 On 1/6/2014 6:46 PM, Bob Austen wrote:
 
  Hi Jay,
 
  Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and when/how
  do the rest of you use the term?  I’ve not seen it used for another
  particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand
  it and what others are expecting to see by that.  Would you use ‘Est’
   as a guess/fill in date?I also use FTM and the default is to
  change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt.  I want to differentiate between that
  terminology and my guess.
 
  I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will
  most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an
  estimate/guess) to better sort the individual.
 
  Bob
 
  *From:*Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
  *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
  *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
 
  Bob,
 
  You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not
  a calculated date.  Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a
  calculated date.
 
  However you use the program within your PC. and is
  best for you ..is great.
 
  But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take
  into consideration that others will never know you changed the
  expected data.
 
  On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net
  mailto:rgaus...@telus.net wrote:
 
  If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)
   I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess.  In my file I know that a
  'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source.
 
  Bob
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com
  mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
 
  I have now confused myself:
 
  Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890
 
  Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818
 
  Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
  source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of
  above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth
  dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child
 
  Any more suggestions please ?
 
  Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney
 
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[MikeFry]

On 2014/01/07 07:42, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:

 Like a person who died on Nov. 4, 1975 and his tombstone reads aged 51 Years, 
 9
 Months 18 days.
 Since there is no birth record to substantiate an exact date, the date should 
 be
 listed as Cal. Jan 22, 1824.

A common expression found on gravestones in the UK is '... died in the xxth year
of ... age'

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Johannesburg (g)



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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Larry Lee]

On Jan 6, 2014 11:17 PM, grayscot2 graysc...@gmail.com wrote:
That all sounds very responsible, but though our forebears probably were
better at calculating ages for days, months and years, without computers,
how accurate and conscientious were they? No doubt that is allowed for in
the term, calculated, but it's still our guestimate that they had the
information and were rigorous in their calculation.

It's all semantics.

Again using a dictionary definition:
Guesstimate or guestimate - to estimate without substantial basis in facts
or statistics.
Origin: 1935–40,  Americanism; blend of guess and estimate.

On Jan 7, 2014 12:00 AM, Chick Lewis cglewi...@gmail.com wrote:
I created a master source called Guesstimate and use it as the name
implies...

While that is being honest I would name the source WAG, for by definition
without being based on a substantial basis in facts that is all it is. No
disrespect intended.

Since the OP 's original question has been sufficiently answered and we
could continue this thread indefinitely - in the now famous words of
Forrest Gump That's all I gotta say about that.

Larry Lee



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[LegacyUG] hidden window

[Randy Clark]

When a Legacy8 window is behind another one my method of using Alt+Spacebar
no longer seems to help. Any thoughts?



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Re: [LegacyUG] hidden window

[Cathy Pinner]

Try Alt + Tab
This cycles through open programs, when you reach Legacy, the hidden
window will come to the front.

Cathy

At 08:31 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote:
When a Legacy8 window is behind another one my method of using
Alt+Spacebar no longer seems to help. Any thoughts?




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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture

[Michele/Support]

I just had a major DUH!  moment.   I have never even thought to add a photo to 
a location.  As soon as I read your message all kinds of ideas popped up into 
my head.  I have old maps, old postcards of street views etc. I have added 
photos of cemeteries and churches but I don’t add those to locations.



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From: CE WOOD [mailto:wood...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 6:35 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture



Also, I have thousands of pictures for locations, which for me, includes 
abbeys, castles, churches, maps (used for old empires, battlefields), 
graveyards, etc.  I attach those pictures in the Master Location list. I can't 
attach pictures to a location in Picture List, only to a person. If someone is 
buried in Tintern Abbey, I do not want a picture of Tintern Abbey attached to 
the individual; I want it attached to Tintern Abbey. Can't do that in Picture 
List.


CE





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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Jenny M Benson]

On 06/01/2014 06:52, Valerie B Garton wrote:
 I have now confused myself:

 Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890

 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818

 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
 source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of above
 child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth dates assuming
 parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born child

 Any more suggestions please ?

I would use about when I have reason to believe that the date I am
using is accurate to within a year or two.  So for your examples of an
age given in the Census or on a Death Certificate I would use about
because being 21 on 02 April 1911 means the person was born in either
1889 or 1890, so about 1890 is fine.

I would use est when making a best guess based on information which
gives a suggestion or pointer but no actual numbers, such as your
example of assuming a marriage took place about a year before the birth
of the first child.

(I say I would but in fact I don't actually use est at all.  If I
don't have some sort of figure to work from I don't enter anything!)

--
Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloning settings to 2nd computer

[Jenny M Benson]

On 06/01/2014 06:53, Robert57P_gmail wrote:
 And some of the settings have ff - I'm guessing those are specific to
 the family file I have opened (correct?).  But what in the heck does
 ff stand for?

Look at what you wrote and I think you'll find you've answered your own
question!

--
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[LegacyUG] Curser placement in Source detail

[Laura Johnson]

When I click to add a source.  It opens the Assigned sources window. I
then choose Cite a Master Source (the source is in basic format). After
I choose the master source from the master source list, the ADD THE
SOURCE DETAIL window opens.

I have to physically place the curser in the Detail Information box BUT
it automatically is placed in the Text/Comments and the Overrides box.
Is there a setting I am missing to get the curser to automatically be
placed in the Detail Information box or is this a bug?  In 7.5, it
automatically goes into the box but not in 8





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Re: [LegacyUG] Curser placement in Source detail

[Sherry/Support]

That's a known issue which the programmers have resolved for the next update


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Laura Johnson rngad...@madisontelco.com wrote:
 When I click to add a source.  It opens the Assigned sources window. I
 then choose Cite a Master Source (the source is in basic format). After
 I choose the master source from the master source list, the ADD THE
 SOURCE DETAIL window opens.

 I have to physically place the curser in the Detail Information box BUT
 it automatically is placed in the Text/Comments and the Overrides box.
 Is there a setting I am missing to get the curser to automatically be
 placed in the Detail Information box or is this a bug?  In 7.5, it
 automatically goes into the box but not in 8



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Re: [LegacyUG] hidden window

[Robert57P_gmail]

Or ALT-ESC - that cycles through all windows, including child windows
that might not show up with ALT-TAB.

You can also try minimizing all (show desktop) and the re-expand Legacy
- that will often bring child windows to the front.

If a window moves off your screen, then ALT-SPACE , followed by M and by
an arrow key can be used to pull the window back onto the main screen.
But it is often easier to shift-right-click on the program item in the
task bar and then selecting MOVE (it may even have a move to monitor 1
option show up).  If you are not sure WHERE the window is (and thus do
not know which arrow key to use), click on the item in the task bar
repeatedly a few times and watch the animation to see where it is opening.

Bob

On 01/07/2014 07:35, Cathy Pinner wrote:
 Try Alt + Tab
 This cycles through open programs, when you reach Legacy, the hidden
 window will come to the front.

 Cathy

 At 08:31 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote:
 When a Legacy8 window is behind another one my method of using
 Alt+Spacebar no longer seems to help. Any thoughts?



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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloning settings to 2nd computer

[Robert57P_gmail]

yea - duh - but for some reason my mind just wasn't making the
connection of FF = Family File!  duh!  lol!

Thanks
Bob
On 01/07/2014 09:25, Jenny M Benson wrote:
 On 06/01/2014 06:53, Robert57P_gmail wrote:
 And some of the settings have ff - I'm guessing those are specific to
 the family file I have opened (correct?).  But what in the heck does
 ff stand for?
 Look at what you wrote and I think you'll find you've answered your own
 question!





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Re: [LegacyUG] Curser placement in Source detail

[Brian/Support]

This is a known problem and is recorded in our problem reporting system
so it can be fixed.

Brian
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On 07-Jan-2014 10:02 AM, Laura Johnson wrote:
 When I click to add a source.  It opens the Assigned sources window. I
 then choose Cite a Master Source (the source is in basic format). After
 I choose the master source from the master source list, the ADD THE
 SOURCE DETAIL window opens.

 I have to physically place the curser in the Detail Information box BUT
 it automatically is placed in the Text/Comments and the Overrides box.
 Is there a setting I am missing to get the curser to automatically be
 placed in the Detail Information box or is this a bug?  In 7.5, it
 automatically goes into the box but not in 8



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Re: [LegacyUG] hidden window

[Randy Clark]

Thanks Cathy  Bob.


On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 7:31 AM, Randy Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com wrote:

 When a Legacy8 window is behind another one my method of using
 Alt+Spacebar no longer seems to help. Any thoughts?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Curser placement in Source detail

[Laura Johnson]

thanks Sherry.

On 1/7/2014 9:12 AM, Sherry/Support wrote:
 That's a known issue which the programmers have resolved for the next update


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree


 On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Laura Johnson rngad...@madisontelco.com 
 wrote:
 When I click to add a source.  It opens the Assigned sources window. I
 then choose Cite a Master Source (the source is in basic format). After
 I choose the master source from the master source list, the ADD THE
 SOURCE DETAIL window opens.

 I have to physically place the curser in the Detail Information box BUT
 it automatically is placed in the Text/Comments and the Overrides box.
 Is there a setting I am missing to get the curser to automatically be
 placed in the Detail Information box or is this a bug?  In 7.5, it
 automatically goes into the box but not in 8


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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloning settings to 2nd computer

[Sherry/Support]

Fully explained in the Help file for Options  Customized - click on
the Help button while you're in that window.


Sincerely,
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On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Robert57P_gmail robert...@gmail.com wrote:
 yea - duh - but for some reason my mind just wasn't making the
 connection of FF = Family File!  duh!  lol!

 Thanks
 Bob
 On 01/07/2014 09:25, Jenny M Benson wrote:
 On 06/01/2014 06:53, Robert57P_gmail wrote:
 And some of the settings have ff - I'm guessing those are specific to
 the family file I have opened (correct?).  But what in the heck does
 ff stand for?
 Look at what you wrote and I think you'll find you've answered your own
 question!



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Re: [LegacyUG] Gender colors

[Graham Love]

I must be missing something - while the children are set to gender colours the 
parents are not. I used to have them in different colours in L7.
Graham

Sent from my iPad

 On 6 Jan 2014, at 11:58, Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 Options  Change Colours
 click on any child's name to bring up the gender colour selections.

 Brian
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 On 06-Jan-2014 1:54 AM, Robert57P_gmail wrote:
 Where do I change the color of male, female, unknown?  I can find it in
 ver 7.5, but can not find it in version 8.

 I like to go with the stereotypical colors
 Blue = boy
 pink (or red) = girl
 purple = unknown (combination of blue/red)

 Thanks,
 Bob



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RE: [LegacyUG] Gender colors

[Paul Gray]

That's interesting. In my V7.5, the parents are not 'gender coloured' just as 
in V8. I assume that's because there is a 'male' and 'female' position so the 
gender is already stated.

If and when same sex unions are supported then the colour coding would be 
useful. (Not trying to take a position or start a discussion on supporting/not 
supporting same sex relationships in the software).


Paul Gray






-Original Message-
From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: January-07-14 9:48 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gender colors

I must be missing something - while the children are set to gender colours the 
parents are not. I used to have them in different colours in L7.
Graham

Sent from my iPad

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 Options  Change Colours
 click on any child's name to bring up the gender colour selections.

 Brian
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 On 06-Jan-2014 1:54 AM, Robert57P_gmail wrote:
 Where do I change the color of male, female, unknown?  I can find it
 in ver 7.5, but can not find it in version 8.

 I like to go with the stereotypical colors Blue = boy pink (or red) =
 girl purple = unknown (combination of blue/red)

 Thanks,
 Bob



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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Jay 1FamilyTree]

Gedcom Standards generally use only these terms;

DATE_APPROXIMATED: = {Size=4:35}
[
ABT DATE |
CAL DATE |
EST DATE
]
Where :
ABT =About, meaning the date is not exact.
CAL =Calculated mathematically, for example, from an event date and age.
EST =Estimated based on an algorithm using some other event date.



DATE_PERIOD: = {Size=7:35}
[
FROM DATE |
TO DATE |
FROM DATE TO DATE
]
Where:DATE
FROM =Indicates the beginning of a happening or state.
TO =Indicates the ending of a happening or state.



DATE_PHRASE: = {Size=1:35}
(TEXT)
Any statement offered as a date when the year is not recognizable to a date
parser, but which gives information about when an event occurred. The date
phrase is enclosed in matching parentheses.



DATE_RANGE: = {Size=8:35}
[
BEF DATE |
AFT DATE |
BET DATE AND DATE
]

Where :
AFT =Event happened after the given date.
BEF =Event happened before the given date.
BET =Event happened some time between date 1 AND date 2. For example, bet
1904 and 1915 indicates that the event state (perhaps a single day) existed
somewhere between 1904 and 1915 inclusive.

The date range differs from the date period in that the date range is an
estimate that an event happened on a single date somewhere in the date
range specified.


as per

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pmcbride/gedcom/55gcch2.htm#S1




On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 3:38 AM, Alex MacPhee alex_macp...@outlook.comwrote:

 I've used Est as an abbreviation for that,
  but since I've learned from this list that some of you think that Est
  means Established

 That's a good point. I wonder if perhaps Ver(ified) for Est(ablished)
 could avoid the ambiguity.


 *Alex*


  From: jleavi...@att.net
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
  Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 19:27:18 -0800
 
  As one of the rest of you, allow me to pipe in here. I suppose an
  honest, though humorous entry would be guess instead of Estimated, but
  Estimated means the same to me anyway. Moreover, I have come to regard
  the term about, or abt to mean 'guess,' since, most of the time, you
  find it to have been a (wild) guess. Sometimes it is based on an often
  used formula, but isn't that also a guess? I rather like using the term
  Estimated. I must admit that I've used Est as an abbreviation for that,
  but since I've learned from this list that some of you think that Est
  means Established, I will, in the future, spell it out. sigh
 
  Joseph Leavitt
 
 
 
  On 1/6/2014 6:46 PM, Bob Austen wrote:
  
   Hi Jay,
  
   Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’, and
 when/how
   do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen it used for another
   particular purpose, so I am interested in knowing how you understand
   it and what others are expecting to see by that. Would you use
 ‘Est’
   as a guess/fill in date? I also use FTM and the default is to
   change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate between that
   terminology and my guess.
  
   I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular) and will
   most often put in an estimated date or a range (also an
   estimate/guess) to better sort the individual.
  
   Bob
  
   *From:*Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
   *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
   *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
   *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
  
   Bob,
  
   You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date that is not
   a calculated date. Any data that comes from you will assumed to be a
   calculated date.
  
   However you use the program within your PC. and is
   best for you ..is great.
  
   But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm, please take
   into consideration that others will never know you changed the
   expected data.
  
   On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen rgaus...@telus.net
   mailto:rgaus...@telus.net wrote:
  
   If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'. (Circa/Cir/c)
   I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In my file I know that a
   'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not come from any other source.
  
   Bob
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com
   mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
   Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
   To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
   mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
   Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
  
   I have now confused myself:
  
   Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890
  
   Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818
  
   Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage est/abt 1866 -
   source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child Parents of
   above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt 1854 - source: birth
   dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22 at time of possible first born
 child
  
   Any more suggestions please ?
  
   Cheers from Valerie in sunny 

Re: [LegacyUG] Cloning settings to 2nd computer

[Robert57P_gmail]

I tried that.  I'm not seeing the explanation in help.  Yes, I did got
to Options  Customized and clicked HELP from there. Depending on which
CUSTOMIZE option is highlighted, it brings me to
Customize - Other
or
Customize - General Settings
etc
But on the ones I looked at, I did not see anything about gbl nor ff.

I did just now FINALLY find it by doing a SEARCH for ff (or gbl) and
found it mentioned in kind-of-a-backwards way under Changing Options
Back to Their Default Settings.  I say backwards simply because it
does not say something like:
ff = Family File Settings - settings unique to each family file you open
gbl = Global Settings - these apply to the program no matter which
family file you have opened
Instead the ff and gbl are simply mentioned as part of an
explanation in another heading.

And via the search I found it way down in the page in the Customize
Options screen.  It is explained better here.

Not sure why I did not find that on my first few attempts - I THOUGHT I
did searches, but maybe I did not get the SEARCH tab highlighted.

Thanks,
Bob

On 01/07/2014 10:38, Sherry/Support wrote:
 Fully explained in the Help file for Options  Customized - click on
 the Help button while you're in that window.


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree


 On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Robert57P_gmail robert...@gmail.com wrote:
 yea - duh - but for some reason my mind just wasn't making the
 connection of FF = Family File!  duh!  lol!

 Thanks
 Bob
 On 01/07/2014 09:25, Jenny M Benson wrote:
 On 06/01/2014 06:53, Robert57P_gmail wrote:
 And some of the settings have ff - I'm guessing those are specific to
 the family file I have opened (correct?).  But what in the heck does
 ff stand for?
 Look at what you wrote and I think you'll find you've answered your own
 question!


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RE: [LegacyUG] Gender colors

[Kurt Kneeland]

Agree.  Gender colors are not being applied to parents or to the husband/wife 
on the Family View.  Also not being applied on the Chronology view.

-Original Message-
From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 10:48 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gender colors

I must be missing something - while the children are set to gender colours the 
parents are not. I used to have them in different colours in L7.
Graham

Sent from my iPad

 On 6 Jan 2014, at 11:58, Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 Options  Change Colours
 click on any child's name to bring up the gender colour selections.

 Brian
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
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 On 06-Jan-2014 1:54 AM, Robert57P_gmail wrote:
 Where do I change the color of male, female, unknown?  I can find it
 in ver 7.5, but can not find it in version 8.

 I like to go with the stereotypical colors Blue = boy pink (or red) =
 girl purple = unknown (combination of blue/red)

 Thanks,
 Bob



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RE: [LegacyUG] No Legacy News? -Update

[Don Hanson]

Suddenly, news is displaying as usual.

Don Hanson



From: Don Hanson [mailto:terra...@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 5:15 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] No Legacy News?



I disabled my anti-malware and my firewall, and still have no retrieved news 
items. Only the red link that goes nowhere. If I click on Legacy News, I go the 
News webpage. A thought…IE 10 is the installed browser on Win7. I have seen 
some unexplainable behavior with one of my sites using IE10.



No, there is more going on here. Looking at the source code, the a 
href=”legacy.link.news.refresh” is the link for the Make sure you are 
connected…message. That link doesn’t load regardless of any (or no) prefix 
used. It is the same in Firefox as IE 10.



Don Hanson



From: Kurt Kneeland [mailto:kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 10:49 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] No Legacy News?



On the Legacy Home tab, there is an Options button in the upper right corner, 
click that and then the Options item on the popup menu.  On the dialog box, 
make sure Allow Legacy to Connect to the Internet is selected.  But this would 
only block the news items from coming up by default, they should still come up 
when you click on the “Retrieve” message.  Only thing I can think of is there 
is something external to Legacy that is blocking that particular function for 
you, possibly a firewall or antivirus function but it seems strange that the 
news retrieval would be blocked and nothing else.  If you click on the Legacy 
News header, does the Legacy Family Tree News webpage open?  If that also fails 
it may be a problem with your ISP’s Domain Name Server not recognizing the 
news.legacyfamilytree.com name (vs www.legacyfamily.com or just 
legacyfamilytree.com).



From: Barbara Thomas [mailto:barb...@sheridanclose.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 4:47 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No Legacy News?



No - you're not alone.  I get the same message

Barbara


On 03/01/2014 22:31, Don Hanson wrote:

I know that there were many entries in Legacy News under the Legacy Home tab 
before the Holidays. Now there is only a red ‘Make sure you are connected to 
the internet and then click her to retrieve the latest news items.’ Clicking 
does nothing. The pointer changes to the finger when I hover the link. All of 
the other internet related help works. When I go to Legacy News on the web, 
there are entries dated during this time. So, am I alone?

Don Hanson



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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Don Hanson]

grin Calculated sounds like you are using pseudoscientific methods to 
arrive at your best guess. Without documenting how that guestimate was arrived 
at, it's misleading to use. Misleading, because it would appear to be somehow 
better than est or abt, when the reality may be that the information used in 
the calculation is less than accurate.
Don Hanson

 -Original Message-
 From: grayscot2 [mailto:graysc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 12:16 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt


   That all sounds very responsible, but though our forebears
 probably were better at calculating ages for days, months and years,
 without computers, how accurate and conscientious were they?  No doubt
 that is allowed for in the term, calculated, but it's still our
 guestimate that they had the information and were rigorous in their
 calculation.

 
 Calculated -  determined or ascertained by mathematical methods.
 Example: A Birth Date determined from a Date of Death and an Age at
 Death given in years, months and days using the date calculator.
 

 arry Lee




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[LegacyUG] User Group list

[Anne Picketts]

I have subscribed to the Legacy User Group but am not receiving any
postings.

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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[singhals]

Why would (age given in document) subtracted from (date of
document) not also give a calculated date?

Perhaps I'm more sick than I think, but it does seem as if
people are making mountains out of goose-bumps over this.


Cheryl

Kurt Kneeland wrote:
 An example of a Calculated Date is a Birth Date determined
 from a Date of Death and an Age at Death given in years,
 months and days.

 *From:*Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net]
 *Sent:* Monday, January 06, 2014 8:47 PM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

 Hi Jay,

 Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’,
 and when/how do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen
 it used for another particular purpose, so I am interested
 in knowing how you understand it and what others are
 expecting to see by that. Would you use ‘Est’ as a
 guess/fill in date? I also use FTM and the default is to
 change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate
 between that terminology and my guess.

 I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular)
 and will most often put in an estimated date or a range
 (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the individual.

 Bob

 *From:*Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

 Bob,

 You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date
 that is not a calculated date. Any data that comes from you
 will assumed to be a calculated date.

 However you use the program within your PC.
 and is best for you ..is great.

 But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm,
 please take into consideration that others will never know
 you changed the expected data.

 On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen
 rgaus...@telus.net mailto:rgaus...@telus.net wrote:

 If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'.
 (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In
 my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not
 come from any other source.

 Bob


 -Original Message-
 From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com
 mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

 I have now confused myself:

 Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890

 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818

 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage
 est/abt 1866 -
 source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child
 Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt
 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22
 at time of possible first born child

 Any more suggestions please ?

 Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney




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Re: [LegacyUG] Short locations and Remove Quoted Given names

[Brian/Support]

Charting does have a general option to use short locations (This does
not work and the problem is recorded). The Appearance  Box Items does
have a working option to use short locations but it is on the screen
where you define the options for items with a location so you have to
tell each item to use a short location.

There is a feature request recorded to add handling of Quoted names to
charting.

Brian
Customer Support
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On 06-Jan-2014 11:13 PM, Boyd Miller wrote:
snip

 However in Legacy Charting there does not appear to be any provision for
 short locations, and this is a situation with limited space where short
 locations would be very useful. This could be one the items under
 Appearance  Box items  Item options.

 In the same vein, Charting has no provision to Remove Quoted Given
 Names, which would tidy up the data presentation and leave a bit more
 space.

 Have I overlooked a setup option somewhere?  Do I have any support to
 make a couple of suggestion to Legacy, or are these items already
 somewhere in the pipeline?

 Boyd



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Re: [LegacyUG] File extensions

[Chris Seens]

gc, I also use SugarSync and my thinking is that you need to start having
SugarSync synch the Legacy Family Trees and the Legacy Charts directories
which you will find in the Documents folder. This is so your family files
will always be in synch.

In respects, to your media files I assume the overall directory is
Genealogy Stuff.  You need to only change your location in Legacy to point
to this directory to look for media items in it or to any of Genealogy
Stuff's sub-folders.  SugarSync will continue as always to synch between
both computers as before.

By the way, *.ldb files are MSAccess logical files which are created and
destroyed when Access files are opened and closed.  These files never need
to be transferred between computers. These files will be destroyed each
time you close Legacy and will not be transferred. Make sure you close
Legacy after each use.

Hope this helps.



On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:41 PM, gcr...@juno.com wrote:

 Sherry,

 Pursuing this a little further...

 I now have the new Legacy 8 installed on my primary desktop and also on a
 laptop - both using Windows 7 (32 bit on the desktop OS; 64 bit on the
 laptop). On my desktop version I have the following folder structure on
 my D drive where the following are stored:

 GENEALOGY STUFF
 Individuals  Tombstone Photos
 Legacy Audio-Video
 Legacy Docs-Obits,Birth,Death,Marriage,Will Info

 This scheme worked fine on the desktop for Legacy 7.5. Legacy 8 links to
 these respective location(s) and contents for individuals.

 My problem is syncing isn't working as it did with Legacy 7.5. I use
 SugarSync2 (Nov 5 2013 version) to sync between my desktop and laptop.  I
 can't seem to get the laptop Legacy 8 directed to the SugarSync2 location
 that contains the information referenced in the above noted structure.
 Unlike Legacy 7.5 where you could specify the path for Picture files;
 Sound files; Video files; Document files; Legacy 8 doesn't accommodate
 this having only the option  6.1 Default location of family files (which
 specifies the path where the photos, video, documents reside on the
 laptop) and 6.2 Default location of media files. Using Legacy 8's
 recommended Media Relinker on the laptop when trying to link to a
 specific file in one of these folders produces a list saying ALL my media
 files are missing!

 In addition, on my desktop I get a notice under the SugarSync2 View File
 Transfer Status that there are 4 files awaiting downloading from the
 laptop with a file extension of 2 each for .ldb and another 2 for
 ~Rc3.ldb. These NEVER get sync'd back to the desktop. Looking at the list
 of file extensions you mentioned in the HELP file I don't see a
 definition of what .ldb files are!

 In Legacy 7.5 there was no issue. I changed something in a Legacy entry
 on the desktop and it was sync'd with the laptop next time I logged on.
 Same going the other direction. A change in a Legacy entry on the laptop
 was sync'd with the desktop when I logged on next time. SugarSync2 took
 care of changes going both directions. This isn't the case with Legacy 8.
 I don't think this is a problem with the SugarSync2 application. It seems
 to be more of a problem of communication to Legacy 8 to recognize where
 the files are.

 Any thoughts?

 gc





 On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 12:38:11 -0800 Sherry/Support
 she...@legacyfamilytree.com writes:
  Gary,
 
  If you go to the Help file in Legacy and look up File extensions you
  can find a list of all the files used in Legacy.
 
  Don't delete anything with your file name. Those files work with the
  data in your Family File.
 
  They have an older date because you may not have used the applicable
  feature for awhile (RGD = Research Guidance, CAL = calculated
  relationships, FG = focus group you've created)
 
  In fact, we don't recommend that you delete *anything* in the  Legacy
  folders unless you *know* what it is (saved documents, etc) without
  direction from Support.
 
  Sincerely,
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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[singhals]

David Abernathy wrote:
 One could also use the term SWAG.
 Scientific, Wild, Ars, Guess

I prefer the simple WEG (Wild Eyed Guess).
Heck, I like that so much, I have it as a source, too.
;)



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Re: [LegacyUG] User Group list

[Brian/Support]

First check your spam filtering to make sure that messages from the list
are not being sent to the spam folder. If that is not the case then send
a message to supp...@legacyfamilytree.com so someone from our support
staff can reset your subscription.

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On 07-Jan-2014 1:54 PM, Anne Picketts wrote:
 I have subscribed to the Legacy User Group but am not receiving any
 postings.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Gender colors

[Brian/Support]

Position in the Parents and husband/wife areas are defined by gender why
would you want colours also?

Chronology View has its own colour settings for what is happening but no
options for gender based colours. See the Include tab of the Chronology
View Options

Brian
Customer Support
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On 07-Jan-2014 12:24 PM, Kurt Kneeland wrote:
 Agree.  Gender colors are not being applied to parents or to the husband/wife 
 on the Family View.  Also not being applied on the Chronology view.

 -Original Message-
 From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 10:48 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gender colors

 I must be missing something - while the children are set to gender colours 
 the parents are not. I used to have them in different colours in L7.
 Graham

 Sent from my iPad

 On 6 Jan 2014, at 11:58, Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 Options  Change Colours
 click on any child's name to bring up the gender colour selections.

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 On 06-Jan-2014 1:54 AM, Robert57P_gmail wrote:
 Where do I change the color of male, female, unknown?  I can find it
 in ver 7.5, but can not find it in version 8.

 I like to go with the stereotypical colors Blue = boy pink (or red) =
 girl purple = unknown (combination of blue/red)

 Thanks,
 Bob



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Re: [LegacyUG] Is it possible to switch from IE to Firefox?

[Brian/Support]

Since Legacy only issues a system call to Windows to open the default
browser and passes a URL to visit as part of that call there should be
no problem with any browser.

I use Firefox and all those places where Legacy uses an external browser
(which is not the Legacy Home Tab so opening a link there will always
use IE) the link is opened in Firefox.

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On 06-Jan-2014 3:26 PM, grayscot2 wrote:

 Does Legacy 8 have any problem with using Chrome or Opera 12.16 as default 
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Re: [LegacyUG] no issue in preferred marriage

[Brian/Support]

Where are you trying to mark the tick? There are two, one on the
individual which is locked once they are married and one on the marriage
information screen for the couple. You should be able to tick the This
couple had no children box on the marriage screen.

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On 06-Jan-2014 12:09 PM, Bernd Hornung wrote:
 I have come across a situation where the family member (wife) is the
 family member and the second wife of the husband.  Accordingly I would
 set this as the preferred marriage.  They had no children but I cannot
 enter this option by way of the tick box.  Is this an issue with others?

 Thanks

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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Jay 1FamilyTree]

Calculated date is normally only used when a full month, day and year will
be the result of the calculation.

you asked
Why would (age given in document) subtracted from (date of document) not
also give a calculated date?

 If the age is only the year, then you cannot calculate the date
Jan 1, 1900  date of Document for person age 25 = birth in 1875



On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote:

 Why would (age given in document) subtracted from (date of
 document) not also give a calculated date?

 Perhaps I'm more sick than I think, but it does seem as if
 people are making mountains out of goose-bumps over this.


 Cheryl

 Kurt Kneeland wrote:
  An example of a Calculated Date is a Birth Date determined
  from a Date of Death and an Age at Death given in years,
  months and days.
 
  *From:*Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net]
  *Sent:* Monday, January 06, 2014 8:47 PM
  *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
 
  Hi Jay,
 
  Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’,
  and when/how do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen
  it used for another particular purpose, so I am interested
  in knowing how you understand it and what others are
  expecting to see by that. Would you use ‘Est’ as a
  guess/fill in date? I also use FTM and the default is to
  change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate
  between that terminology and my guess.
 
  I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular)
  and will most often put in an estimated date or a range
  (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the individual.
 
  Bob
 
  *From:*Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
  *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
  *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
 
  Bob,
 
  You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date
  that is not a calculated date. Any data that comes from you
  will assumed to be a calculated date.
 
  However you use the program within your PC.
  and is best for you ..is great.
 
  But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm,
  please take into consideration that others will never know
  you changed the expected data.
 
  On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen
  rgaus...@telus.net mailto:rgaus...@telus.net wrote:
 
  If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'.
  (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In
  my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not
  come from any other source.
 
  Bob
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com
  mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
 
  I have now confused myself:
 
  Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890
 
  Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818
 
  Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage
  est/abt 1866 -
  source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child
  Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt
  1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22
  at time of possible first born child
 
  Any more suggestions please ?
 
  Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney




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Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture

[Rick Bowden]

Why not use the Media Gallery Clipboard ? That will copy the link for any
file , picture or not , together with the Date , Caption and Notes. You can
copy one or all the items from a gallery , or Copy Append , selecting items
from different galleries. The paste function allows you to paste to
Individual, Location , Source , Repository , in fact any Media Gallery.

Right mouse click on the icon in the required gallery for the copy dropdown
, select the copy option required , then go to the target gallery and right
mouse click in a blank space and select the paste option.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Sorting individual reports

[Brian/Support]

There is no sorting option at this time however I found a suggestion to
provide a sort order for Family Group
Records when they are printed in a group.

I have created a similar suggestion to add a sort option to the
Individual Reports.

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On 04-Jan-2014 5:32 AM, Willy Schwarz wrote:
 I there a way to sort the individual reports according to the user-ID?
 At the initial setting the reports are sorted first by name, second by
 first name.
 This is unusable for pdf and html listing.
 Thanks and a Happy New Year
 Willy
 PS: I am new on this UserGroup



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Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Report Settings

[Mary Young]

Hi Jay
Thanks for your reply - but it's not the *generation indent that's the
problem to me, it's the indent used for the *Noted Events sections - 2.75
*from the left margin*, whether the person is e.g. Generation 1 or
Generation 6.   So for people in Generation 1, this creates a large patch
of wasted white space for each person who has Noted Events.
In V7.5, Noted Events are not indented at all.  I've posted example
images at http://www.flickr.com/photos/mary-young/11824534006/
Mary


On 6 January 2014 22:41, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.com wrote:

 Mary,

 Open the Descendant Narrative Report menu.

 under Options

 Indent each gen.   (input your preference here)   inches

 I use 0.3





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 V8 8.0.0.367 -Descendant Narrative Report has Noted Events indented
 2.75, nearly half-way across the page, for every generation.
 I don't like to waste paper when printing Reports. My preference for each
 generation indent is 0.3, and I'd like to indent Noted Events by 0.3
 within each person's entry. Can this be selected somewhere?
 Thanks
 Mary Young




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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[JV Leavitt]

Don,

I presumed that we would all know that the source might not be accurate,
but the fact that a calculation is used to arrive at a date does make a
difference, and using the Cal term provides information that other terms
do not.

In the following, when I say calculated date, it usually comes down to
only a calculated year.

I sometimes have one preferred calculated date, and a couple of
alternate event records with calculated dates, and I have, and include,
a separate source citation for each one. I don't do this for calculated
dates that are only a year apart - that should go without saying.

I should mention too, that if I find a record of an event that gives a
complete date, such as on a birth record, and it lines up properly with
one of the sources that has a calculated date, I will probably feel
better about the credibility of that source. (I know, that the birth
record could be inaccurate, but surely we are all aware of that.)

Now, let's say I found a complete or preferred date after already
entering a calculated one in the birth data field. With Legacy8, I can
add a new Alternate Birth record, enter this preferred data and source
citation there, save it, and then use the Option to: Swap with birth
information. Thankfully, the source citation goes with it.

There are, evidently, those who feel that the Cal term should only be
used when a full month, day and year can be used in the calculation. I
respectfully disagree, but when I have a calculated date such as that,
it will still be entered with the term Cal preceding it -- like this,
for example: Cal 29 Jun 1889.

I sincerely hope I am making a case for using the term Cal or calculated
when appropriate, and that the time will come that when we see it used
in online databases, that we will have a common understanding of it's
intent.

Please, Cheryl and everyone, forgive me for seeming to make a mountain
out of this (as you say -- goose bump) issue.

Joseph Leavitt


On 1/7/2014 10:17 AM, Don Hanson wrote:
 grin Calculated sounds like you are using pseudoscientific methods to 
 arrive at your best guess. Without documenting how that guestimate was 
 arrived at, it's misleading to use. Misleading, because it would appear to be 
 somehow better than est or abt, when the reality may be that the 
 information used in the calculation is less than accurate.
 Don Hanson

 -Original Message-
 From: grayscot2 [mailto:graysc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 12:16 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt


  That all sounds very responsible, but though our forebears
 probably were better at calculating ages for days, months and years,
 without computers, how accurate and conscientious were they?  No doubt
 that is allowed for in the term, calculated, but it's still our
 guestimate that they had the information and were rigorous in their
 calculation.

 
 Calculated -  determined or ascertained by mathematical methods.
 Example: A Birth Date determined from a Date of Death and an Age at
 Death given in years, months and days using the date calculator.
 
 Larry Lee




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RE: [LegacyUG] Gender colors

[Kurt Kneeland]

In my opinion, it's primarily a question of consistency.  However, as someone 
else pointed out, it will become more important if/when same-sex marriages are 
supported.

-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 1:18 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gender colors

Position in the Parents and husband/wife areas are defined by gender why would 
you want colours also?

Chronology View has its own colour settings for what is happening but no 
options for gender based colours. See the Include tab of the Chronology View 
Options

Brian
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On 07-Jan-2014 12:24 PM, Kurt Kneeland wrote:
 Agree.  Gender colors are not being applied to parents or to the husband/wife 
 on the Family View.  Also not being applied on the Chronology view.

 -Original Message-
 From: Graham Love [mailto:love-fam...@blueyonder.co.uk]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 10:48 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Gender colors

 I must be missing something - while the children are set to gender colours 
 the parents are not. I used to have them in different colours in L7.
 Graham

 Sent from my iPad

 On 6 Jan 2014, at 11:58, Brian/Support br...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 Options  Change Colours
 click on any child's name to bring up the gender colour selections.

 Brian
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 On 06-Jan-2014 1:54 AM, Robert57P_gmail wrote:
 Where do I change the color of male, female, unknown?  I can find it
 in ver 7.5, but can not find it in version 8.

 I like to go with the stereotypical colors Blue = boy pink (or red)
 = girl purple = unknown (combination of blue/red)

 Thanks,
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Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Report Settings

[Jay 1FamilyTree]

Mary,

In Legacy Ver 8  when you open the Desc Narrative Report
Click on Page Layout and adjust the notes indent from there.

If it doesnt work, you may need to reset the defaults and the reenter your
preference for the indent.




On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk wrote:

 Hi Jay
 Thanks for your reply - but it's not the *generation indent that's the
 problem to me, it's the indent used for the *Noted Events sections - 2.75
 *from the left margin*, whether the person is e.g. Generation 1 or
 Generation 6.   So for people in Generation 1, this creates a large patch
 of wasted white space for each person who has Noted Events.
 In V7.5, Noted Events are not indented at all.  I've posted example
 images at http://www.flickr.com/photos/mary-young/11824534006/
 Mary


 On 6 January 2014 22:41, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.comwrote:

 Mary,

 Open the Descendant Narrative Report menu.

 under Options

 Indent each gen.   (input your preference here)   inches

 I use 0.3





 On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk wrote:

 V8 8.0.0.367 -Descendant Narrative Report has Noted Events indented
 2.75, nearly half-way across the page, for every generation.
 I don't like to waste paper when printing Reports. My preference for
 each generation indent is 0.3, and I'd like to indent Noted Events by 0.3
 within each person's entry. Can this be selected somewhere?
 Thanks
 Mary Young




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Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture

[JV Leavitt]

Thank you Rick! I see this now in the Help file, by the term Hint:

I wondered how many other hints I missed along the way, so I went back
to the Help file, and, using the Search tab, searched on the word Hint.
Four hits come up -- all quite interesting.

Joseph Leavitt


On 1/7/2014 11:46 AM, Rick Bowden wrote:
 Why not use the Media Gallery Clipboard ? That will copy the link for
 any file , picture or not , together with the Date , Caption and
 Notes. You can copy one or all the items from a gallery , or Copy
 Append , selecting items from different galleries. The paste function
 allows you to paste to Individual, Location , Source , Repository , in
 fact any Media Gallery.

 Right mouse click on the icon in the required gallery for the copy
 dropdown , select the copy option required , then go to the target
 gallery and right mouse click in a blank space and select the paste
 option.

 Rick



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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Kurt Kneeland]

You can have cases where a current date and just number of years can be used to 
calculate an exact date.  An example would be a 50th Wedding Anniversary 
announcement in a newspaper saying that the couple celebrated their anniversary 
on specific date, but does not give the date of the wedding.



From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 1:35 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt



Calculated date is normally only used when a full month, day and year will be 
the result of the calculation.



you asked

Why would (age given in document) subtracted from (date of document) not also 
give a calculated date?



 If the age is only the year, then you cannot calculate the date

Jan 1, 1900  date of Document for person age 25 = birth in 1875





On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote:

Why would (age given in document) subtracted from (date of
document) not also give a calculated date?

Perhaps I'm more sick than I think, but it does seem as if
people are making mountains out of goose-bumps over this.


Cheryl

Kurt Kneeland wrote:
 An example of a Calculated Date is a Birth Date determined
 from a Date of Death and an Age at Death given in years,
 months and days.

 *From:*Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net]
 *Sent:* Monday, January 06, 2014 8:47 PM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

 Hi Jay,

 Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’,
 and when/how do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen
 it used for another particular purpose, so I am interested
 in knowing how you understand it and what others are
 expecting to see by that. Would you use ‘Est’ as a
 guess/fill in date? I also use FTM and the default is to
 change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate
 between that terminology and my guess.

 I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular)
 and will most often put in an estimated date or a range
 (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the individual.

 Bob

 *From:*Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

 Bob,

 You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date
 that is not a calculated date. Any data that comes from you
 will assumed to be a calculated date.

 However you use the program within your PC.
 and is best for you ..is great.

 But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm,
 please take into consideration that others will never know
 you changed the expected data.

 On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen
 rgaus...@telus.net mailto:rgaus...@telus.net wrote:

 If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'.
 (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In
 my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not
 come from any other source.

 Bob


 -Original Message-
 From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com
 mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

 I have now confused myself:

 Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890

 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818

 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage
 est/abt 1866 -
 source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child
 Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt
 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22
 at time of possible first born child

 Any more suggestions please ?

 Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney




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Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Report Settings

[Mary Young]

Hi Jay
Well in V.8, Desc.Narrative ReportPage Layout gives me a near-empty screen
with a tickbox for Print Names in Bold, and a Button for Custom Report
Spacings (i.e. line spacings). These are for *line* spacings, I can see
nothing for indenting notes.
Mary

On 7 January 2014 20:28, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.com wrote:

 Mary,

 In Legacy Ver 8  when you open the Desc Narrative Report
 Click on Page Layout and adjust the notes indent from there.




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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[singhals]

Given the number of different algorithms available for use
in doing darn near any genealogical calculation (anyone
wanna revisit the notorious Calendar discussions?) seems to
me that making a distinction between CAL EST and ABT is of
the order of arguing whether the dinosaur was three million
680,234 years 10 months and eight days old or three million
680,234 years 11 months and eight days old ...

It was a nice change from I subbed but aren't gettting
messages, though. :)

Cheryl


JV Leavitt wrote:
 Don,

 I presumed that we would all know that the source might not be accurate,
 but the fact that a calculation is used to arrive at a date does make a
 difference, and using the Cal term provides information that other terms
 do not.

 In the following, when I say calculated date, it usually comes down to
 only a calculated year.

 I sometimes have one preferred calculated date, and a couple of
 alternate event records with calculated dates, and I have, and include,
 a separate source citation for each one. I don't do this for calculated
 dates that are only a year apart - that should go without saying.

 I should mention too, that if I find a record of an event that gives a
 complete date, such as on a birth record, and it lines up properly with
 one of the sources that has a calculated date, I will probably feel
 better about the credibility of that source. (I know, that the birth
 record could be inaccurate, but surely we are all aware of that.)

 Now, let's say I found a complete or preferred date after already
 entering a calculated one in the birth data field. With Legacy8, I can
 add a new Alternate Birth record, enter this preferred data and source
 citation there, save it, and then use the Option to: Swap with birth
 information. Thankfully, the source citation goes with it.

 There are, evidently, those who feel that the Cal term should only be
 used when a full month, day and year can be used in the calculation. I
 respectfully disagree, but when I have a calculated date such as that,
 it will still be entered with the term Cal preceding it -- like this,
 for example: Cal 29 Jun 1889.

 I sincerely hope I am making a case for using the term Cal or calculated
 when appropriate, and that the time will come that when we see it used
 in online databases, that we will have a common understanding of it's
 intent.

 Please, Cheryl and everyone, forgive me for seeming to make a mountain
 out of this (as you say -- goose bump) issue.

 Joseph Leavitt


 On 1/7/2014 10:17 AM, Don Hanson wrote:
 grin  Calculated sounds like you are using pseudoscientific methods to 
 arrive at your best guess. Without documenting how that guestimate was 
 arrived at, it's misleading to use. Misleading, because it would appear to 
 be somehow better than est or abt, when the reality may be that the 
 information used in the calculation is less than accurate.
 Don Hanson

 -Original Message-
 From: grayscot2 [mailto:graysc...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 12:16 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt


 That all sounds very responsible, but though our forebears
 probably were better at calculating ages for days, months and years,
 without computers, how accurate and conscientious were they?  No doubt
 that is allowed for in the term, calculated, but it's still our
 guestimate that they had the information and were rigorous in their
 calculation.

 
 Calculated -  determined or ascertained by mathematical methods.
 Example: A Birth Date determined from a Date of Death and an Age at
 Deathgivenin years, months and days using the date calculator.
 
 Larry Lee



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[LegacyUG] Click / double click in Legacy 7.5 / In Legacy 8?

[Arnold Sprague]

A wonderful feature in Legacy 7.5 was, in Family view, to be able to:
1. Single click on a parent and be taken to the Individual's Information page
2. Double click on a parent and have that person now be in main box.
In Legacy 7.5, this was achieved via Options/Customize/To Move Names
in Family View.

I have looked and looked, but do not see where to do this in Legacy 8.
Help and thank you.




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Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[MikeFry]

On 2014/01/07 21:07, singhals wrote:

 Perhaps I'm more sick than I think, but it does seem as if
 people are making mountains out of goose-bumps over this.

No. I agree. Whatever makes sense to you - consistently - is the way to go.

--
Regards,
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Johannesburg (g)



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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Don Hanson]

Uh, I must be thick, too. If I have someone who died Jan 1, 1900 at age 80, 
wouldn’t it be more precise to use CAL 1820 than EST 1820? I would only use EST 
if I assumed a date such as a marriage  date estimated from the birth date of 
their first child. ABT would fit, but infers that it is an imprecise date, when 
in fact, the year might have a high degree of confidence.

Don Hanson



From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 1:35 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt



Calculated date is normally only used when a full month, day and year will be 
the result of the calculation.



you asked

Why would (age given in document) subtracted from (date of document) not also 
give a calculated date?



 If the age is only the year, then you cannot calculate the date

Jan 1, 1900  date of Document for person age 25 = birth in 1875





On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:07 AM, singhals singh...@erols.com wrote:

Why would (age given in document) subtracted from (date of
document) not also give a calculated date?

Perhaps I'm more sick than I think, but it does seem as if
people are making mountains out of goose-bumps over this.


Cheryl

Kurt Kneeland wrote:
 An example of a Calculated Date is a Birth Date determined
 from a Date of Death and an Age at Death given in years,
 months and days.

 *From:*Bob Austen [mailto:rgaus...@telus.net]
 *Sent:* Monday, January 06, 2014 8:47 PM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

 Hi Jay,

 Help me out here, what is the norm for ‘calculated date’,
 and when/how do the rest of you use the term? I’ve not seen
 it used for another particular purpose, so I am interested
 in knowing how you understand it and what others are
 expecting to see by that. Would you use ‘Est’ as a
 guess/fill in date? I also use FTM and the default is to
 change circa/cir/c/Est/ to Abt. I want to differentiate
 between that terminology and my guess.

 I don’t like to leave missing birth dates (in particular)
 and will most often put in an estimated date or a range
 (also an estimate/guess) to better sort the individual.

 Bob

 *From:*Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, 6 January, 2014 2:39 PM
 *To:* LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

 Bob,

 You do the rest of us a disservice by using Cal for a date
 that is not a calculated date. Any data that comes from you
 will assumed to be a calculated date.

 However you use the program within your PC.
 and is best for you ..is great.

 But if you are going to stray from the expected or norm,
 please take into consideration that others will never know
 you changed the expected data.

 On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Bob Austen
 rgaus...@telus.net mailto:rgaus...@telus.net wrote:

 If a census shows age 21 in 1911 I would use 'c 1890'.
 (Circa/Cir/c) I use Cal (Calculated) for my best guess. In
 my file I know that a 'Cal' date was *my* guess and did not
 come from any other source.

 Bob


 -Original Message-
 From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com
 mailto:vbgar...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Sunday, 5 January, 2014 10:53 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

 I have now confused myself:

 Age 21 in 1911 census born abt/est 1890

 Died age 47 in 1865 born abt/est 1818

 Child born 1867 with no marriage for parents - marriage
 est/abt 1866 -
 source: marriage date assuming this is the first born child
 Parents of above child F born est/abt 1841 M born est/abt
 1854 - source: birth dates assuming parents aged 26 and 22
 at time of possible first born child

 Any more suggestions please ?

 Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney




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Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Report Settings

[Jenny M Benson]

On 07/01/2014 20:07, Mary Young wrote:
 Thanks for your reply - but it's not the *generation indent that's the
 problem to me, it's the indent used for the *Noted Events sections -
 2.75 *from the left margin*, whether the person is e.g. Generation 1 or
 Generation 6.   So for people in Generation 1, this creates a large
 patch of wasted white space for each person who has Noted Events.
 In V7.5, Noted Events are not indented at all.  I've posted example
 images at http://www.flickr.com/photos/mary-young/11824534006/

When I created a Descendent Narrative Report with numbered Noted Events
it is not indented like that.  My indents are about 4 or 5 characters in
width.

--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Click / double click in Legacy 7.5 / In Legacy 8?

[MikeFry]

On 2014/01/07 23:11, Arnold Sprague wrote:

 I have looked and looked, but do not see where to do this in Legacy 8.
 Help and thank you.

Answer: You don't. Check the message archives. It's been done to death.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Report Settings

[Mary Young]

Hmm ... I had only altered the page margins ... but anyway, I've reset
everything to Default and still getting this huge indent ...

On 7 January 2014 21:52, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote:

 On 07/01/2014 20:07, Mary Young wrote:
  Thanks for your reply - but it's not the *generation indent that's the
  problem to me, it's the indent used for the *Noted Events sections -
  2.75 *from the left margin*, whether the person is e.g. Generation 1 or
  Generation 6.   So for people in Generation 1, this creates a large
  patch of wasted white space for each person who has Noted Events.
  In V7.5, Noted Events are not indented at all.  I've posted example
  images at http://www.flickr.com/photos/mary-young/11824534006/

 When I created a Descendent Narrative Report with numbered Noted Events
 it is not indented like that.  My indents are about 4 or 5 characters in
 width.

 --
 Jenny M Benson





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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Don Hanson]

Thanks Joseph,
I would agree that using Calculated SHOULD inspire greater credibility, but 
only if how the date was calculated is included as a note. Without it, the 
accuracy cannot be validated. For example, my wife often makes errors when 
calculating anything. An unnotated calculated date that she entered would be 
far less credible than would be inferred by using calculated before a date. 
grin
Don

 -Original Message-
 From: JV Leavitt [mailto:jleavi...@att.net]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 2:12 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

 Don,

 I presumed that we would all know that the source might not be
 accurate, but the fact that a calculation is used to arrive at a date
 does make a difference, and using the Cal term provides information
 that other terms do not.

 In the following, when I say calculated date, it usually comes down to
 only a calculated year.

 I sometimes have one preferred calculated date, and a couple of
 alternate event records with calculated dates, and I have, and include,
 a separate source citation for each one. I don't do this for calculated
 dates that are only a year apart - that should go without saying.

 I should mention too, that if I find a record of an event that gives a
 complete date, such as on a birth record, and it lines up properly with
 one of the sources that has a calculated date, I will probably feel
 better about the credibility of that source. (I know, that the birth
 record could be inaccurate, but surely we are all aware of that.)

 Now, let's say I found a complete or preferred date after already
 entering a calculated one in the birth data field. With Legacy8, I can
 add a new Alternate Birth record, enter this preferred data and source
 citation there, save it, and then use the Option to: Swap with birth
 information. Thankfully, the source citation goes with it.

 There are, evidently, those who feel that the Cal term should only be
 used when a full month, day and year can be used in the calculation. I
 respectfully disagree, but when I have a calculated date such as that,
 it will still be entered with the term Cal preceding it -- like this,
 for example: Cal 29 Jun 1889.

 I sincerely hope I am making a case for using the term Cal or
 calculated when appropriate, and that the time will come that when we
 see it used in online databases, that we will have a common
 understanding of it's intent.

 Please, Cheryl and everyone, forgive me for seeming to make a mountain
 out of this (as you say -- goose bump) issue.

 Joseph Leavitt


 On 1/7/2014 10:17 AM, Don Hanson wrote:
  grin Calculated sounds like you are using pseudoscientific
 methods to arrive at your best guess. Without documenting how that
 guestimate was arrived at, it's misleading to use. Misleading, because
 it would appear to be somehow better than est or abt, when the
 reality may be that the information used in the calculation is less
 than accurate.
  Don Hanson
 
  -Original Message-
  From: grayscot2 [mailto:graysc...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 12:16 AM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt
 
 
 That all sounds very responsible, but though our forebears
 probably
  were better at calculating ages for days, months and years,
 without
  computers, how accurate and conscientious were they?  No doubt that
  is allowed for in the term, calculated, but it's still our
 guestimate
  that they had the information and were rigorous in their
 calculation.
 
  
  Calculated -  determined or ascertained by mathematical methods.
  Example: A Birth Date determined from a Date of Death and an Age at
  Death given in years, months and days using the date calculator.
  
  Larry Lee




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RE: [LegacyUG] Clear Imported Tags

[Alan Thompson]

Thanks Mike - that answers my first question.

Am I right in assuming from your silence on questions 2 and 3 that there is no 
way within the Legacy application itself to clear the imported tag for specific 
or selected individuals and that if I want to do this I will need to edit 
records directly within the .fdb database using Microsoft Access?

Regards
Alan Thompson



-Original Message-
From: MikeFry [mailto:emjay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, 4 January 2014 7:03 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Clear Imported Tags

On 2014/01/04 00:09, Alan Thompson wrote:

 As I can find no explanation in Legacy Help or the LUG archives about
 “imported tags” can someone please tell me:

 1.how I can either view the imported tag for an individual or produce
 a list (either by report or search query) of those individuals tagged as 
 imported.

 2.Whether it is possible to clear the imported tag for specific or
 selected individuals rather than for all individuals, and

 3.how best to make use of the “Clear Imported Tags” tool, ie when it
 is appropriate to clear imported tags for all individuals

The Imported Tag is a marker on an Individual that identifies that the 
Individual was created by importing the details into the family file. This 
distinguishes those individuals from the rest who were no doubt created 
directly by you using Add New Individual (of one variety or other).

If you want to find them all, use the Search function.

Look for: Individual
Where to look: Imported
How to look: Equal to
What to look for: YES

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
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RE: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Report Settings

[Kurt Kneeland]

There are a bunch of options, including the Event Indent option that appear on 
the Page Layout tab for the Descendant Book Report that are missing on the 
Descendant Narrative Book Report.  This looks to be a Bug.





From: Jay 1FamilyTree [mailto:1familytree@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 2:29 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Report Settings



Mary,



In Legacy Ver 8  when you open the Desc Narrative Report

Click on Page Layout and adjust the notes indent from there.



If it doesnt work, you may need to reset the defaults and the reenter your 
preference for the indent.







On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk wrote:

Hi Jay

Thanks for your reply - but it's not the *generation indent that's the problem 
to me, it's the indent used for the *Noted Events sections - 2.75 *from the 
left margin*, whether the person is e.g. Generation 1 or Generation 6.   So for 
people in Generation 1, this creates a large patch of wasted white space for 
each person who has Noted Events.

In V7.5, Noted Events are not indented at all.  I've posted example images at 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mary-young/11824534006/

Mary



On 6 January 2014 22:41, Jay 1FamilyTree 1familytree@gmail.com wrote:

Mary,



Open the Descendant Narrative Report menu.



under Options



Indent each gen.   (input your preference here)   inches



I use 0.3









On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Mary Young m...@cmy.org.uk wrote:

V8 8.0.0.367 -Descendant Narrative Report has Noted Events indented 2.75, 
nearly half-way across the page, for every generation.

I don't like to waste paper when printing Reports. My preference for each 
generation indent is 0.3, and I'd like to indent Noted Events by 0.3 within 
each person's entry. Can this be selected somewhere?

Thanks

Mary Young







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Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Report Settings

[Mary Young]

Thanks Kurt.
I too think it looks to be a Bug.  I'll report it.
Mary

On 7 January 2014 22:09, Kurt Kneeland kurt-kneel...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 There are a bunch of options, including the Event Indent option that
 appear on the Page Layout tab for the Descendant Book Report that are
 missing on the Descendant Narrative Book Report.  This looks to be a Bug.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Descendant Narrative Report Settings

[Mary Young]

Just realised, those Event Indent options were missing in the Descendant
Narrative Book Report even in V.7.5!
Still, my 7.5 DNBR Events don't indent at all, whereas and 8.0 Events
indent by 2.75.
 I will ask Support.
Cheers
Mary



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RE: [LegacyUG] When to use est and when to use abt

[Alan Thompson]

Without wishing to flog a dead horse, I humbly suggest that this whole brouhaha 
stems from a failure to distinguish between HOW a particular date for an event 
determined and the LEVEL OF PRECISION of the event date. For me:

CAL(culated) and EST(imated) and the like would seem to indicate HOW (the 
method by which) a date was determined and on their own indicate nothing about 
the LEVEL OF PRECISION of that date.
AB(ou)T, CIR(ca), and the like indicate the LEVEL OF PRECISION of a given date 
and on their own indicate nothing about HOW that date was determined.

Thus 15-Mar-1931, Mar-1931, 1931, ABT 15-Mar-1931, ABT Mar-1931, ABT 1931 
represent dates with different levels of precision, but each and all of those 
dates could have been determined by calculation, estimation, direct evidence 
based on one or more sources of information, etc.

Accordingly, I only enter dates into the date field that show the level of 
precision of the event date. I use ABT, BEF(ore), AFT(er), etc if my method of 
determining the date does not allow me to be more precise. I would never enter 
CAL or EST or anything that indicated how a date was determined into the date 
field itself. I record how that date and its level of precision was derived 
(calculated, estimated, guessed, directly sourced or otherwise) in the event 
notes and source detail comments and also indicate the surety level thereof, as 
appropriate.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture

[CE WOOD]

I do not have a Media Gallery. Although this list has been dominated by those 
who have the time, willingness to be gammatesters as Legacy 8 gets rid of its 
numerous bugs, there are many Legacy users who use earlier versions, even 
versions as far back as 4.

I would hope that Legacy will continue to address the problems of version 7, 
especially since many of those were not fixed in version 8, and are, therefore, 
still needing to be addressed.

What we are asking re pictures, is to be able to add info to the picture at the 
appropriate page, and have it carry over to the central area, be it called 
Picture Center or Media Gallery, or whatever. When we enter a location, 
individual, or event, that is when we enter the picture and info. One step, no 
copying. And then, in the central area, that info appears so that when we add 
the same picture to another location, individual, or event, we do not have to 
re-enter the info again.

Simple, unconvoluted, no copying, no leaving the Location List, Individual 
Page, Marriage Page, etc., no having to use Media Gallery or Picture Center.

CE

 From: jleavi...@att.net
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 12:35:03 -0800

 Thank you Rick! I see this now in the Help file, by the term Hint:

 I wondered how many other hints I missed along the way, so I went back
 to the Help file, and, using the Search tab, searched on the word Hint.
 Four hits come up -- all quite interesting.

 Joseph Leavitt


 On 1/7/2014 11:46 AM, Rick Bowden wrote:
  Why not use the Media Gallery Clipboard ? That will copy the link for
  any file , picture or not , together with the Date , Caption and
  Notes. You can copy one or all the items from a gallery , or Copy
  Append , selecting items from different galleries. The paste function
  allows you to paste to Individual, Location , Source , Repository , in
  fact any Media Gallery.
 
  Right mouse click on the icon in the required gallery for the copy
  dropdown , select the copy option required , then go to the target
  gallery and right mouse click in a blank space and select the paste
  option.
 
  Rick


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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloning settings to 2nd computer

[Boyd Miller]

These notes from my own personal help file may a bit off the question,
but may answer your problem. I use the terms desktop and laptop to
distinguish between first and second   computers.

Copy Customise settings, desktop to laptop

On your desktop, under Options - Customize (any section of Customise),
at the bottom of the screen click on Options for Default Settings 
Save ALL current settings as User-Defaults.

Now on the desktop, copy all the .usr files in your My Documents/Legacy
Family Tree/_AppData/Usr folder to the matching folder on your laptop.

Now in Legacy on the laptop, go to Options  Customize  Options for
Default Settings  Reset to User-Defaults


To save just the settings in the current section (General Settings, Data
Entry, Data Format, etc.), click on the section title at the top of the
screen and choose Save settings as User-Defaults from the popup menu.
This saves any global settings and any family file settings to the
relevant file user-defaults.

To save just the settings in a specific sub-section, click on the
sub-section title and choose Save settings as User-Defaults from the
popup menu.  The settings will be saved to the appropriate type of
user-defaults (either global or family file).

Boyd
On 8/01/2014 6:16 a.m., Robert57P_gmail wrote:
 I tried that.  I'm not seeing the explanation in help.  Yes, I did got
 to Options  Customized and clicked HELP from there. Depending on which
 CUSTOMIZE option is highlighted, it brings me to
 Customize - Other
 or
 Customize - General Settings
 etc
 But on the ones I looked at, I did not see anything about gbl nor ff.

 I did just now FINALLY find it by doing a SEARCH for ff (or gbl) and
 found it mentioned in kind-of-a-backwards way under Changing Options
 Back to Their Default Settings.  I say backwards simply because it
 does not say something like:
 ff = Family File Settings - settings unique to each family file you open
 gbl = Global Settings - these apply to the program no matter which
 family file you have opened
 Instead the ff and gbl are simply mentioned as part of an
 explanation in another heading.

 And via the search I found it way down in the page in the Customize
 Options screen.  It is explained better here.

 Not sure why I did not find that on my first few attempts - I THOUGHT I
 did searches, but maybe I did not get the SEARCH tab highlighted.

 Thanks,
 Bob

 On 01/07/2014 10:38, Sherry/Support wrote:
 Fully explained in the Help file for Options  Customized - click on
 the Help button while you're in that window.


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree


 On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Robert57P_gmail robert...@gmail.com wrote:
 yea - duh - but for some reason my mind just wasn't making the
 connection of FF = Family File!  duh!  lol!

 Thanks
 Bob
 On 01/07/2014 09:25, Jenny M Benson wrote:
 On 06/01/2014 06:53, Robert57P_gmail wrote:
 And some of the settings have ff - I'm guessing those are specific to
 the family file I have opened (correct?).  But what in the heck does
 ff stand for?
 Look at what you wrote and I think you'll find you've answered your own
 question!

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[LegacyUG] Timelines

[Robert57P_gmail]

How do I control where Legacy looks for timelines?  I don't see it under
CUSTOMIZATION.

I just discovered that version8 on my desktop is looking for them in the
old version 7 folder.  Not a major problem until I eventually delete the
version 7 folders.

The laptop (that never had version 7) can not find the timelines because
I did not copy the version 7 folders over to the laptop.

The Help file says they are located at:
*[My Documents]\Legacy Family Tree\_AppData\Timeslines\[Language]*.
But this is not the case for me.

I should mention that I installed Legacy 8 at C:\winprog\Legacy8
And legacy 7 program is installed at: C:\winprog\Legacy

Bob



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Re: [LegacyUG] Clear Imported Tags

[MikeFry]

On 2014/01/08 00:04, Alan Thompson wrote:

 Am I right in assuming from your silence on questions 2 and 3 that there is
 no way within the Legacy application itself to clear the imported tag for
 specific or selected individuals and that if I want to do this I will need to
 edit records directly within the .fdb database using Microsoft Access?

As far as I can see, the function Clear Imported Tags works on all records in
the file. So, to do it individually, you'd have to resort to using Access.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Maiden names (Was: When to use est and when to use abt)

[Bryan Pratt]

Just a further addition to this: If you bracket (outside) on the surname and 
you generate a (Pedigree) webpage from Legacy for a website it makes the 
bracket surname a new name in the lists.

So my (Firstname box) “Mary (spouse of Henry” (Second name box) “Pickett)”

becomes in the lists “Pickett), Mary spouse of Henry”

No problem if you don’t do websites. Legacy doesn’t do it in its own name list.

I like the idea, so have just put the second bracket outside, in this case, 
Henry.




Bryan

Chch NZ


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From: David Abernathy
Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎January‎ ‎7‎, ‎2014 ‎6‎:‎07‎ ‎AM
To: Legacy






I do something that is similar

Mary ? (Wife of George Smith)

I also use a similar format for unknown husbands and parents

? Smith (Husband of Mary Jones)

? Smith (Father of Mary Smith)






Thanks,

David C Abernathy

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From: Karen Blackmore [mailto:stk...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 7:35 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Maiden names (Was: When to use est and when to 
use abt)





Since I nad too many women whose names were Mary, Elizabeth, and Catherine, I 
came up with this method.





With an unknown woman's surname I put her first name in the appropriate place 
followed by


(sp of [husband's first name or initial] and then in the surname  box I put 
[husband's surname])


So, the () are in two different spaces.  I believe you'll find that it is then 
found in the appropriate surname but it's obvious that it's not hers.





Perhaps this will show as an example:


Mary (sp of George


Smith)





Good luck.


Karen










On Monday, January 6, 2014 2:57 AM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote:





I use [---?---] for an unknown surname regardless of gender.


The beauty of Legacy is that I can have in Index view Show Alternate Names or 
Show Married Names activated and so my Mary [---?---] will appear in the 
list under her married name and I don't have to go searching too far for her.





On 6 January 2014 19:34, David Newton lugda...@drdavid.plus.com wrote:

Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I
started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of
forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname
and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the
index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list
by searching for suffix spouse

On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote:
 SNIP
 And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname
 box. her surname is/was her maiden name.
 When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done
 that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their
 married name entered in the surname box.
SNIP

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Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture

[JV Leavitt]

When you click on the Icon for adding a picture to an individual in your
db, you get a window that says at the top, Media Gallery for That
designation does seem to imply that it is a central place for all media
information, but the central place has been given the name Picture
Center.  These are the same as it is in Legacy 7. If I understood
correctly, that this was part of the issue for you, please know that my
response is intended to be a friendly one.

Joseph Leavitt


On 1/7/2014 3:09 PM, CE WOOD wrote:
 I do not have a Media Gallery. Although this list has been dominated
 by those who have the time, willingness to be gammatesters as
 Legacy 8 gets rid of its numerous bugs, there are many Legacy users
 who use earlier versions, even versions as far back as 4.

 I would hope that Legacy will continue to address the problems of
 version 7, especially since many of those were not fixed in version 8,
 and are, therefore, still needing to be addressed.

 What we are asking re pictures, is to be able to add info to the
 picture at the appropriate page, and have it carry over to the central
 area, be it called Picture Center or Media Gallery, or whatever. When
 we enter a location, individual, or event, that is when we enter the
 picture and info. One step, no copying. And then, in the central area,
 that info appears so that when we add the same picture to another
 location, individual, or event, we do not have to re-enter the info again.

 Simple, unconvoluted, no copying, no leaving the Location List,
 Individual Page, Marriage Page, etc., no having to use Media Gallery
 or Picture Center.


 CE

  From: jleavi...@att.net
  To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
  Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 12:35:03 -0800
 
  Thank you Rick! I see this now in the Help file, by the term Hint:
 
  I wondered how many other hints I missed along the way, so I went back
  to the Help file, and, using the Search tab, searched on the word Hint.
  Four hits come up -- all quite interesting.
 
  Joseph Leavitt
 
 
  On 1/7/2014 11:46 AM, Rick Bowden wrote:
   Why not use the Media Gallery Clipboard ? That will copy the link for
   any file , picture or not , together with the Date , Caption and
   Notes. You can copy one or all the items from a gallery , or Copy
   Append , selecting items from different galleries. The paste function
   allows you to paste to Individual, Location , Source , Repository
 , in
   fact any Media Gallery.
  
   Right mouse click on the icon in the required gallery for the copy
   dropdown , select the copy option required , then go to the target
   gallery and right mouse click in a blank space and select the paste
   option.
  
   Rick


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Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture

[Cathy Pinner]

Hi all,

The Picture Centre in Legacy 7 and 8 only handles graphics.
True it is fairly good at remembering the captions etc you add to the
picture. However if you move computer or folder and don't take the
right piclist.dbm with you, you have lost them. It's not intended to
be permanent.

The Media Gallery handles all file types you might want to attach to
something in Legacy. In Legacy 7 this was called the Picture Gallery
for some time but Media Gallery in the latest builds.

You can copy pictures from one Gallery to another or to another place
in the same Gallery (from individual pic to event pic for example)
When you copy and paste a pic, it takes the caption etc with it.
Right click on a thumbnail in the gallery to initiate.

Is Media handling perfect? No. But it's a lot better in Legacy 8.

Cathy

At 10:42 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote:
When you click on the Icon for adding a picture to an individual in your
db, you get a window that says at the top, Media Gallery for That
designation does seem to imply that it is a central place for all media
information, but the central place has been given the name Picture
Center.  These are the same as it is in Legacy 7. If I understood
correctly, that this was part of the issue for you, please know that my
response is intended to be a friendly one.

Joseph Leavitt


On 1/7/2014 3:09 PM, CE WOOD wrote:
  I do not have a Media Gallery. Although this list has been dominated
  by those who have the time, willingness to be gammatesters as
  Legacy 8 gets rid of its numerous bugs, there are many Legacy users
  who use earlier versions, even versions as far back as 4.
 
  I would hope that Legacy will continue to address the problems of
  version 7, especially since many of those were not fixed in version 8,
  and are, therefore, still needing to be addressed.
 
  What we are asking re pictures, is to be able to add info to the
  picture at the appropriate page, and have it carry over to the central
  area, be it called Picture Center or Media Gallery, or whatever. When
  we enter a location, individual, or event, that is when we enter the
  picture and info. One step, no copying. And then, in the central area,
  that info appears so that when we add the same picture to another
  location, individual, or event, we do not have to re-enter the info again.
 
  Simple, unconvoluted, no copying, no leaving the Location List,
  Individual Page, Marriage Page, etc., no having to use Media Gallery
  or Picture Center.
 
 
  CE
 
   From: jleavi...@att.net
   To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
   Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Attaching a picture
   Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 12:35:03 -0800
  
   Thank you Rick! I see this now in the Help file, by the term Hint:
  
   I wondered how many other hints I missed along the way, so I went back
   to the Help file, and, using the Search tab, searched on the word Hint.
   Four hits come up -- all quite interesting.
  
   Joseph Leavitt
  
  
   On 1/7/2014 11:46 AM, Rick Bowden wrote:
Why not use the Media Gallery Clipboard ? That will copy the link for
any file , picture or not , together with the Date , Caption and
Notes. You can copy one or all the items from a gallery , or Copy
Append , selecting items from different galleries. The paste function
allows you to paste to Individual, Location , Source , Repository
  , in
fact any Media Gallery.
   
Right mouse click on the icon in the required gallery for the copy
dropdown , select the copy option required , then go to the target
gallery and right mouse click in a blank space and select the paste
option.
   
Rick




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Re: [LegacyUG] Data files

[Pat Hickin]

Thanks, Robert, for your help.  I think I have it figured out, saved, etc.

Pat


On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 3:44 AM, Robert57P_gmail robert...@gmail.com wrote:

  Open the file in legacy 7.  Here are some things you can can try to
 figure out where it is and what it is called:
 * Look at the top of the Legacy 7 window, it may have the path/filename
 (but it may not show the full path  name, depends on length??)
 * Click on FILE, and look at the list on the bottom of this menu item.Â
 This contains the full path and name for me.
 * Click on OPTIONS, GENERAL, STARTING FAMILY FILE - do you have the name
 here?
 * Click on OPTIONS, LOCATIONS - your file MIGHT be in the location
 specified (but not always, depends on how you opened it).  Plus this may
 contain other files you've created, so it may not help.Â
 * File, Save As (but do NOT save it) - this MIGHT show you the location
 and name of your file (it works in many programs, but I just tried it in
 Legacy 7 and it did NOT work for me . . . )
 * When the file is opened, click on HELP, then GENERAL INFO.  Look in the
 FILE INFORMATION box
 * If all else fails, open your file in Legacy 7, do a backup.  Backup
 EVERYTHING.  Make a note of where you save the backup and what you named
 it.  Include Media files.  Then, in Legacy 8, do a FILE, RESTORE FILE,
 and pick that file.  Pay attention to where you save it and what you call
 it.

 Hopefully one of the above ideas will get you what your old file was
 called and where it is.  Now shut down Legacy 7 and start up Legacy 8

 Once you've opened it in Legacy 8, it should then show up in your list for
 the next go-around.  NOTE - if you picked always create a list for me to
 choose from, it will probably always give you a long list since it scans
 the hard drive and shows you ALL(?) Legacy files that you have ever
 created.  You will probably be better off using the windows dialog box
 and manually going to the folder where you know the file is located.Â
 Change the display to DETAILS and look at the DATE MODIFIED column.

 Note - when you first open it in Legacy 8, it will give you options for
 conversion - I'd suggest you do NOT just convert my family file and open
 it - instead use one of the other 2 options and pay attention to what it
 is called and where it is saved (I think it shows you this . . . I'm not
 sure).

 Once you've opened each file once, instead of clicking on FILE/OPEN -
 instead click on SYSTEM (or the big blue logo in upper left) and look at
 the Recent Family Files.

 Bob


 On 01/06/2014 23:25, Pat Hickin wrote:

 Thanks, Sherry, I found the design button!

  And, Wendy, Â You're right, I don't know the name of the file or the
 folder, though I think that with all your help I have now found the file!

  Thanks!

  Pat


 On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Sherry/Support 
 she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 Far top right is the Design button.


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree


  On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Pat Hickin pph...@gmail.com wrote:
  I have the round L button -- but now I don't see the DesignStyles
 -- I
  looked in Help for Design and there is nothing.
 
  Pat
 
 
  On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Sherry/Support 
 she...@legacyfamilytree.com
  wrote:
 
   It's the 10 last *viewed*, not modified.
 
  In the upper left corner you'll find either a System button or a
  round L button, depending on the style chosen under Design  Styles
  (upper right corner)
 
 
  Sincerely,
  Sherry
  Technical Support
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[LegacyUG] Generating Pedigree Webpage from L8

[Bryan Pratt]

I have had some trouble updating my website after Legacy 8, using the Pedigree 
style. I’ve not published it yet.

None of the

1. major headings are centred,

2. nor are the individual page pictures,

3. nor the box links with the arrows to proceed to the next generation.


I’ve just done an update on another family and his Laptop using L7.5, no 
problem, using Windows XP.


I’m running W8.1.


As much as I know about HTML the script seems to be saying ‘center’ but it’s 
certainly not.


Any other experiences or answers would be of assistance.


Regards

Bryan

Chch, NZ






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Re: [LegacyUG] Cloning settings to 2nd computer

[Robert57P_gmail]

Thanks to Boyd and others that have replied.

Unfortunately that did not work for me.  But that could be because I
install in a non-standard folder (I don't like the restrictions Windows
puts on the my documents and program files folders).  It also may be
because on one computer it was under my name and on the laptop it was
under my wife's name.
On the desktop:
Program installed at:  C:\winprog\Legacy8
Data at: C:\windata\Legacy-v8\Patton-master\Data
I found the USR files in:  C:\Users\Bob\Documents\Legacy Family
Tree\_AppData\Usr

On wife's laptop, logged in as ADMINISTRATOR (for the install), set up
under:
Program installed at:  C:\winprog\Legacy8
Data at: C:\windata\Legacy-v8\Patton-master\Data
Started up Legacy and shut it down.
Then I logged in as my wife and started up and shut down Legacy.
I found the USR files in: C:\Users\Linda\Documents\Legacy Family
Tree\_AppData\Usr

I did the Save ALL current settings as User-Defaults on my computer.
I exited Legacy on both computers.  I copied the USR files from
C:\Users\Bob\Documents\Legacy Family Tree\_AppData\Usr  (on my PC)
to
C:\Users\Linda\Documents\Legacy Family Tree\_AppData\Usr (on wife's laptop)
I restarted Legacy on laptop and did the:  Options  Customize  Options
for Default Settings  Reset to User-Defaults
But not everything made it over.  For example, the gender colors did
not.  The multi-colored tabs did not, and some of the other items under
Options  Customize did not match.

I ended up putting the laptop next to the desktop and manually changed
the settings to match.  Wasn't really that difficult.

I did not bother matching the settings under the admin account.  The
admin's user files were, of course, at:
C:\Users\Administrator\Documents\Legacy Family Tree\_AppData\Usr

NOTE FOR DEVELOPERS:
On the laptop I installed Legacy while logged in as the administrator,
and I put my customer number.
Then when I logged in under my wife's name, I had to put in the customer
number again.
I expected the customer number to apply for all users on the PC. Not a
big deal, just wanted to let you know what I ran into.

Bob

On 01/07/2014 18:44, Boyd Miller wrote:
 These notes from my own personal help file may a bit off the question,
 but may answer your problem. I use the terms desktop and laptop to
 distinguish between first and second   computers.

 Copy Customise settings, desktop to laptop

 On your desktop, under Options - Customize (any section of
 Customise), at the bottom of the screen click on Options for Default
 Settings  Save ALL current settings as User-Defaults.

 Now on the desktop, copy all the .usr files in your My
 Documents/Legacy Family Tree/_AppData/Usr folder to the matching
 folder on your laptop.

 Now in Legacy on the laptop, go to Options  Customize  Options for
 Default Settings  Reset to User-Defaults


 To save just the settings in the current section (General Settings,
 Data Entry, Data Format, etc.), click on the section title at the top
 of the screen and choose Save settings as User-Defaults from the popup
 menu.  This saves any global settings and any family file settings to
 the relevant file user-defaults.

 To save just the settings in a specific sub-section, click on the
 sub-section title and choose Save settings as User-Defaults from the
 popup menu.  The settings will be saved to the appropriate type of
 user-defaults (either global or family file).

 Boyd
 On 8/01/2014 6:16 a.m., Robert57P_gmail wrote:
 I tried that.  I'm not seeing the explanation in help.  Yes, I did got
 to Options  Customized and clicked HELP from there. Depending on which
 CUSTOMIZE option is highlighted, it brings me to
 Customize - Other
 or
 Customize - General Settings
 etc
 But on the ones I looked at, I did not see anything about gbl nor ff.

 I did just now FINALLY find it by doing a SEARCH for ff (or gbl) and
 found it mentioned in kind-of-a-backwards way under Changing Options
 Back to Their Default Settings.  I say backwards simply because it
 does not say something like:
 ff = Family File Settings - settings unique to each family file you open
 gbl = Global Settings - these apply to the program no matter which
 family file you have opened
 Instead the ff and gbl are simply mentioned as part of an
 explanation in another heading.

 And via the search I found it way down in the page in the Customize
 Options screen.  It is explained better here.

 Not sure why I did not find that on my first few attempts - I THOUGHT I
 did searches, but maybe I did not get the SEARCH tab highlighted.

 Thanks,
 Bob

 On 01/07/2014 10:38, Sherry/Support wrote:
 Fully explained in the Help file for Options  Customized - click on
 the Help button while you're in that window.


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree


 On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Robert57P_gmailrobert...@gmail.com  wrote:
 yea - duh - but for some reason my mind just wasn't making the
 connection of FF = Family File!  duh!  lol!

 Thanks
 Bob
 On 01/07/2014 

[LegacyUG] New location

[John Groome]

I am using version 8.0.0.367 on Windows 7

I am having difficulty adding a new location one of my family files.

For example I type in orange, virginia, usa and when I press enter the
field is displayed as Orange, ViUSAia, Usa. I am expecting the result of
Orange, Virginia, USA.

I have two family files and this issue does not happen in my main file.

Is it possible I have a setting wrong?

Any help/advice appreciated.

John
Upper Hutt, NZ



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Re: [LegacyUG] New location

[Robert57P_gmail]

Check your master location list.  I suspect that at one time a fat
finger entry made it into your master list.

On menu, select VIEW, then MASTER LIST, then LOCATION
In the FIND box, start typingorange
and I bet you will see the bad entry there.  Double click on the bad
entry to fix it.

Bob

On 01/08/2014 01:50, John Groome wrote:
 I am using version 8.0.0.367 on Windows 7

 I am having difficulty adding a new location one of my family files.

 For example I type in orange, virginia, usa and when I press enter
 the field is displayed as Orange, ViUSAia, Usa. I am expecting the
 result of Orange, Virginia, USA.

 I have two family files and this issue does not happen in my main file.

 Is it possible I have a setting wrong?

 Any help/advice appreciated.

 John
 Upper Hutt, NZ




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[LegacyUG] Which SourceWriter Template

[Kathy Thompson]

I know there are thousands of SourceWriter templates, and I know there is a
list of them all, but I can't recall ever seeing what fields each source
template contains.
As such, I have trouble in trying to work out which source template to use
for a new source.

For example, I need to (more) correctly source Australian based Births
Deaths  Marriages.
The indexes that can be searched typically have for Births and Deaths :
Registration Number, Year, Given Names, Surname, Father's Name, Mother's
Name, Age
For marriages they typically have : Registration Number, Year, Groom's
Surname, Grooms Given Names, Bride's Surname, Bride's Given Names (Groom /
Bride are also seen as Person 1 / Person 2)

To pick a source, create a template and then go to add the source only to
find it isn't anywhere near right is a waste of time.

Is there somewhere where I can actually see what fields the difference
Source Writer Templates have?
I'm comfortable enough with Access to know what to look for (and how) if
someone can tell me which table to look at in there, if that's the only way
to see.

Otherwise, can I please have suggestions for the above examples, knowing
that
Birth Records  Birth Certificate  All countries, except those listed
below...  Created at State level  Basic Format / Online Database
and corresponding marriage  death, are not suitable for my needs?

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Re: [LegacyUG] New location

[John Groome]

Thanks for the help Bob, however the master list location seems to be OK.

As mentioned it only happens when I try to *add* a new location.

I have run a repair and clean up but the same issue arises.

John


On 8 January 2014 20:15, Robert57P_gmail robert...@gmail.com wrote:

 Check your master location list.  I suspect that at one time a fat
 finger entry made it into your master list.

 On menu, select VIEW, then MASTER LIST, then LOCATION
 In the FIND box, start typingorange
 and I bet you will see the bad entry there.  Double click on the bad
 entry to fix it.

 Bob

 On 01/08/2014 01:50, John Groome wrote:
  I am using version 8.0.0.367 on Windows 7
 
  I am having difficulty adding a new location one of my family files.
 
  For example I type in orange, virginia, usa and when I press enter
  the field is displayed as Orange, ViUSAia, Usa. I am expecting the
  result of Orange, Virginia, USA.
 
  I have two family files and this issue does not happen in my main file.
 
  Is it possible I have a setting wrong?
 
  Any help/advice appreciated.
 
  John
  Upper Hutt, NZ
 
 
 
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Which SourceWriter Template

[Cathy Pinner]

Hi Kathy,

No you have to choose one and then take a look as you're doing.

Re the Australian BDMs. I wouldn't put all the information in the
actual Source Citation but transcribe it into the Source Text.
In the Source Detail I'd just have eg 1908 birth entry for John Doe
citing 16/1908 or whatever the reference is.
You don't need a template with fields for each item given in the transcription.

Are you talking about the actual certificates or the index entries online?
For NSW BDMs online I've use the template
Birth Records - Birth Register - created at State level - online database.
I have a separate source for NSW births, NSW deaths and NSW marriages
but have used the same template as there aren't or weren't the
equivalent under Death Records etc.

I've ended up with sources like this: NSW Registry of Births, Deaths
and Marriages, Birth Index 1788-1908, online database, NSW Registry
of Births, Deaths and
Marriages(http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm :
accessed 2 Oct 2011), entry for Charlotte L. Bennett; citing Reg. No.
7709/1894.

Cathy

At 03:28 PM 8/01/2014, you wrote:
I know there are thousands of SourceWriter templates, and I know
there is a list of them all, but I can't recall ever seeing what
fields each source template contains.
As such, I have trouble in trying to work out which source template
to use for a new source.

For example, I need to (more) correctly source Australian based
Births Deaths  Marriages.
The indexes that can be searched typically have for Births and
Deaths : Registration Number, Year, Given Names, Surname, Father's
Name, Mother's Name, Age
For marriages they typically have : Registration Number, Year,
Groom's Surname, Grooms Given Names, Bride's Surname, Bride's Given
Names (Groom / Bride are also seen as Person 1 / Person 2)

To pick a source, create a template and then go to add the source
only to find it isn't anywhere near right is a waste of time.

Is there somewhere where I can actually see what fields the
difference Source Writer Templates have?
I'm comfortable enough with Access to know what to look for (and
how) if someone can tell me which table to look at in there, if
that's the only way to see.

Otherwise, can I please have suggestions for the above examples, knowing that
Birth Records  Birth Certificate  All countries, except those
listed below...  Created at State level  Basic Format / Online Database
and corresponding marriage  death, are not suitable for my needs?

Thanks




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