Re: [LegacyUG] unknown gender
Thank you On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Jenny M Bensonwrote: > On 15-May-17 09:31 PM, Jenny M Benson wrote: > >> >> I think this is a bug. >> > > ... and I have reported it. > > > -- > Jenny M Benson > http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/ > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman > /listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] unknown gender
On 15-May-17 09:31 PM, Jenny M Benson wrote: I think this is a bug. ... and I have reported it. -- Jenny M Benson http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] unknown gender
On 15-May-17 08:25 PM, Susan Nielsen wrote: Another question: Although I've checked and rechecked that the gender for this child is "Unknown", the Chronology continues to show the child as "son". Can't figure out why... Copied here: "~25Abt 1884Child born (1-#2):Austria. Stark (born about 1884 in Austria - died before 1887) *son *of Peter Stark and Katherine Pesche. " Any ideas why? I think this is a bug. I have just (temporarily!) changed my son's gender to unknown and Chronology continues to show him as his father's son. Changed him to female and Chronology got it right. -- Jenny M Benson http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
[LegacyUG] unknown gender
Another question: Although I've checked and rechecked that the gender for this child is "Unknown", the Chronology continues to show the child as "son". Can't figure out why... Copied here: "~25 Abt 1884 Child born (1-#2): Austria. Stark (born about 1884 in Austria - died before 1887) *son *of Peter Stark and Katherine Pesche. " Any ideas why? Thank you Susan -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown gender
Thanks Brian. I followed your directions and it worked fine. As I thought it may have been both infants were stillbirths and the sex not marked on records. Thank you again. On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Brian Kellywrote: > Search > Find > Detailed Search > Look for Sex Equal to Unknown. > > I have 19 of those in my file. > > Brian Kelly > > > On 27-Apr-17 4:58 PM, Ruth Mohr wrote: > >> I am using Legacy 8 Deluxe with the latest upgrade. I ran a Statistics >> report and it shows that I have 2 people with "Unknown Gender". Is there >> a >> way to find which 2 people they are without going through the Index of >> approximate 10,000 people.? Thank you. >> >> >> >> > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman > /listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown gender
Search > Find > Detailed Search Look for Sex Equal to Unknown. I have 19 of those in my file. Brian Kelly On 27-Apr-17 4:58 PM, Ruth Mohr wrote: I am using Legacy 8 Deluxe with the latest upgrade. I ran a Statistics report and it shows that I have 2 people with "Unknown Gender". Is there a way to find which 2 people they are without going through the Index of approximate 10,000 people.? Thank you. -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
[LegacyUG] Unknown gender
I am using Legacy 8 Deluxe with the latest upgrade. I ran a Statistics report and it shows that I have 2 people with "Unknown Gender". Is there a way to find which 2 people they are without going through the Index of approximate 10,000 people.? Thank you. -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
[LegacyUG] Unknown partner names
My tree has South American as well as European people in it. So the South American's have two surnames. Sometimes the second or even first surname of someone is not remembered, so only one surname can be entered for children and possibly parents. But the correct name should have two. Because it's a mixed tree this absence is not readily apparent if no marker is used. How can you show that one is missing, when Legacy doesn't like you to enter a ? or something like that. I assume this is a problem others have already solved. Thanks Helen Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown partner names
legacy doesn't mind if you use brackets, so you could put in () or [] with not known or something similar. Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 5:27 AM, Helen McCall famh...@skymesh.com.au wrote: My tree has South American as well as European people in it. So the South American's have two surnames. Sometimes the second or even first surname of someone is not remembered, so only one surname can be entered for children and possibly parents. But the correct name should have two. Because it's a mixed tree this absence is not readily apparent if no marker is used. How can you show that one is missing, when Legacy doesn't like you to enter a ? or something like that. I assume this is a problem others have already solved. Thanks Helen Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown partner names
Would privacy brackets help you here? That is, put square brackets [[around anything 'private']] like this. You can see them on the screen when you're in Legacy, but you can choose to not include that data in reports. You could use them to mark the missing portion of the surname, so you can see at a glance that it's missing, but you do not have to include it in reports if you want to withhold it. I often use privacy brackets when I know a person exists, but don't know their name, and once I find out their name enter it as an AKA, and then switch the AKA with the main name, to preserve the path of research (I like to use citation dates, so you can see which data was entered when). Hope this helps. :-) Wendy Helen McCall wrote on 8/08/2015 21:27: My tree has South American as well as European people in it. So the South American's have two surnames. Sometimes the second or even first surname of someone is not remembered, so only one surname can be entered for children and possibly parents. But the correct name should have two. Because it's a mixed tree this absence is not readily apparent if no marker is used. How can you show that one is missing, when Legacy doesn't like you to enter a ? or something like that. I assume this is a problem others have already solved. Thanks Helen Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown partner names
Now that sounds nice and sneaky. I'll give it a go. Thanks Helen On 9/08/2015 8:23 AM, Wendy Howard wrote: Would privacy brackets help you here? That is, put square brackets [[around anything 'private']] like this. You can see them on the screen when you're in Legacy, but you can choose to not include that data in reports. You could use them to mark the missing portion of the surname, so you can see at a glance that it's missing, but you do not have to include it in reports if you want to withhold it. I often use privacy brackets when I know a person exists, but don't know their name, and once I find out their name enter it as an AKA, and then switch the AKA with the main name, to preserve the path of research (I like to use citation dates, so you can see which data was entered when). Hope this helps. :-) Wendy Helen McCall wrote on 8/08/2015 21:27: My tree has South American as well as European people in it. So the South American's have two surnames. Sometimes the second or even first surname of someone is not remembered, so only one surname can be entered for children and possibly parents. But the correct name should have two. Because it's a mixed tree this absence is not readily apparent if no marker is used. How can you show that one is missing, when Legacy doesn't like you to enter a ? or something like that. I assume this is a problem others have already solved. Thanks Helen Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown individuals after update
Have you double checked that the new version is opening up the same database? Maybe after the update the default open changed somehow. On 06/07/2015 10:50, marcie wrote: I just updated Legacy and now have a large amount of unknown individuals not connected to my tree. Have no idea who they are, but there are marriages connected to them. The version not updated on my other computer does not have these individuals. Where did they come from and am I able to go back to my old version of Legacy? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Unknown individuals after update
I just updated Legacy and now have a large amount of unknown individuals not connected to my tree. Have no idea who they are, but there are marriages connected to them. The version not updated on my other computer does not have these individuals. Where did they come from and am I able to go back to my old version of Legacy? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown individuals after update
My only database opened along with lots of new names. I deleted the database and restored from a back up. The new names are gone. On Sun, 6/7/15, Robert57P_gmail robert...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown individuals after update To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Sunday, June 7, 2015, 4:08 PM Have you double checked that the new version is opening up the same database? Maybe after the update the default open changed somehow. On 06/07/2015 10:50, marcie wrote: I just updated Legacy and now have a large amount of unknown individuals not connected to my tree. Have no idea who they are, but there are marriages connected to them. The version not updated on my other computer does not have these individuals. Where did they come from and am I able to go back to my old version of Legacy? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Persons
John, For Gedcom validation I recommed Genealogica Grafica http://www.genealogicagrafica.nl/ or try Tim's Bonkersits GREAT! http://www.mccomberfamily.com/2013/02/bonkers-gedcom-sanity-checker.html These both go much further than Legacy does in validation. On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 9:08 PM, John B. Lisle leg...@johnlisle.com wrote: Jay, Please see below... john. At 06:59 PM 3/27/2015, Jay Wilpolt wrote: John I think we are on the same page some thoughts to add. *As both of us maintain somewhat public research sites online, I decided some time ago that I did not wish to publish dates that I could not support by some type of fact. Yet, as a One Namer, I would find that my family files would have actually 100s of people with more or less the same name. *Again another reason why I had to start adding some date qualifiers as my own distant (5th great) paternal families had names like; Johan Bernard William Whilpholt Bernard Wilhelm Henricis Whilpholt Johann Wilhelm Henricus Whilpholt Henricus Willhelm Bernard Whilpholt Wilhelm Johann Hericus Whilpholt and often not the exact same name would then be used for their marriage or death Or like where 8 families with the same surname all lived close by and they all had a Maria Anna born between 1850-1870 I agree, but I just do not wish to publish data that I know to be guesses. The private dates helps me keep organized without publishing more crap. *I discovered that Legacy has a neat feature that allows you to make a date private. For instance when I enter a marriage record for John Stedman and Mary Smith that took place in May 1816 and have not (yet) discovered them in a census or in other vital records documentation, I will estimate when they were born. For John, say 1790. I enter in Legacy [[est 1790]] {I tie est to the circa date in Legacy}. The privacy brackets around the date mean that index view and name list will sort the person correctly, but when I export the Gedcom, no date will appear for the birth date. *Personal choice not to keep the dates private, since i dont know what genealogy software someone else uses, thaht may not properly handle all the Blank info, whereas I am pretty sure it will handle fields with data. I have never seen a problem, remember, I am always explicitly putting in at least an Unknown death date. Every software product I have looked at handles that. *I have seen too many cases of people (myself included before I set this standard) having a date like you have of bef. 1882 copied down as 1882 and then get perpetuated. Now, I try not to be responsible for introducing too much bogus information into the literature. *I can not control how well other copy down info, If it says bef 1882 they better copy BEFORE 1882. Again, I prefer to take the risk out of the equation. The historical way to deal with such items is to say Joe Smith, son of Alfred Smith and Ellen Jones. Or some other phrase that talks to their genealogy. When I am working a family reconstruction, I am always looking for the names of parents of the spouses of my target family. And, I will research the spouse family more if I start finding surnames that are popping up elsewhere in the family. This is my hidden cousins dynamic. *When you enter a private date that would otherwise trigger the person as being deceased, the person is set to deceased. *That is a good feature * This triggers another rant... :-) I hate to see trees where persons born 400 years ago are listed as living and thus made private. This is often caused by some genealogy program or another not having a data model that properly handles when an undated person is deceased. Consequently, I set a personal standard that anyone whom I believe to be deceased, I will enter the death date of Unknown. Then I do not have to depend on the whim of any genealogy program to set the person as deceased. *AGREED AGREED AGREED  not to mention some basic validation tests. when I see a parent born in 1880 and their child is born in 1792 I know they are not serious about their data Of course. Or when you look at a FamilySearch or Ancestry tree and you see a person father or grandfather in their child list. The L8 PP Alerts system is wonderful for preventing this -- I get a laff out of hearing people talk about turning it off because they are getting too many alerts. I do not add Gedcoms to my research file. If someone contributes a Gedcom, I import the Gedcom into Legacy and then rework each person in the file so that the data complies with my standards and then append it into my main file, merging data where necessary. IE, the Gedcom was only a file of clues. *I have also found that when recording census data, it is helpful, even when I do not have a death date, to record a death date as after 1860 if the 1860 census was last that I found him or her recorded. I will also make
RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown Persons
Wow, who knew … Thank you Jay for sharing these wonderful sites. Barton From: Jay Wilpolt [mailto:jaywilp...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 7:24 PM To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Persons John, For Gedcom validation I recommed Genealogica Grafica http://www.genealogicagrafica.nl/ or try Tim's Bonkersits GREAT! http://www.mccomberfamily.com/2013/02/bonkers-gedcom-sanity-checker.html These both go much further than Legacy does in validation. On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 9:08 PM, John B. Lisle leg...@johnlisle.com mailto:leg...@johnlisle.com wrote: Jay, Please see below... john. At 06:59 PM 3/27/2015, Jay Wilpolt wrote: John I think we are on the same page some thoughts to add. As both of us maintain somewhat public research sites online, I decided some time ago that I did not wish to publish dates that I could not support by some type of fact. Yet, as a One Namer, I would find that my family files would have actually 100s of people with more or less the same name. Again another reason why I had to start adding some date qualifiers as my own distant (5th great) paternal families had names like; Johan Bernard William Whilpholt Bernard Wilhelm Henricis Whilpholt Johann Wilhelm Henricus Whilpholt Henricus Willhelm Bernard Whilpholt Wilhelm Johann Hericus Whilpholt and often not the exact same name would then be used for their marriage or death Or like where 8 families with the same surname all lived close by and they all had a Maria Anna born between 1850-1870 I agree, but I just do not wish to publish data that I know to be guesses. The private dates helps me keep organized without publishing more crap. I discovered that Legacy has a neat feature that allows you to make a date private. For instance when I enter a marriage record for John Stedman and Mary Smith that took place in May 1816 and have not (yet) discovered them in a census or in other vital records documentation, I will estimate when they were born. For John, say 1790. I enter in Legacy [[est 1790]] {I tie est to the circa date in Legacy}. The privacy brackets around the date mean that index view and name list will sort the person correctly, but when I export the Gedcom, no date will appear for the birth date. Personal choice not to keep the dates private, since i dont know what genealogy software someone else uses, thaht may not properly handle all the Blank info, whereas I am pretty sure it will handle fields with data. I have never seen a problem, remember, I am always explicitly putting in at least an Unknown death date. Every software product I have looked at handles that. I have seen too many cases of people (myself included before I set this standard) having a date like you have of bef. 1882 copied down as 1882 and then get perpetuated. Now, I try not to be responsible for introducing too much bogus information into the literature. I can not control how well other copy down info, If it says bef 1882 they better copy BEFORE 1882. Again, I prefer to take the risk out of the equation. The historical way to deal with such items is to say Joe Smith, son of Alfred Smith and Ellen Jones. Or some other phrase that talks to their genealogy. When I am working a family reconstruction, I am always looking for the names of parents of the spouses of my target family. And, I will research the spouse family more if I start finding surnames that are popping up elsewhere in the family. This is my hidden cousins dynamic. When you enter a private date that would otherwise trigger the person as being deceased, the person is set to deceased. That is a good feature This triggers another rant... :-) I hate to see trees where persons born 400 years ago are listed as living and thus made private. This is often caused by some genealogy program or another not having a data model that properly handles when an undated person is deceased. Consequently, I set a personal standard that anyone whom I believe to be deceased, I will enter the death date of Unknown. Then I do not have to depend on the whim of any genealogy program to set the person as deceased. AGREED AGREED AGREED  not to mention some basic validation tests. when I see a parent born in 1880 and their child is born in 1792 I know they are not serious about their data Of course. Or when you look at a FamilySearch or Ancestry tree and you see a person father or grandfather in their child list. The L8 PP Alerts system is wonderful for preventing this -- I get a laff out of hearing people talk about turning it off because they are getting too many alerts. I do not add Gedcoms to my research file. If someone contributes a Gedcom, I import the Gedcom into Legacy and then rework each person in the file so that the data complies with my standards and then append it into my main file, merging data where necessary. IE, the Gedcom was only a file
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Persons
When addressing Mr. Jones or Mr. Smith, I usually say, Excuse me, SUR. Re you Mister Surname? On Mar 28, 2015, at 14:00, Robert57P_gmail robert...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a good hint that I can use to remember that surname = last name and given name = first name? Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Persons
I put in Female or Male. On Mar 27, 2015 10:25 AM, Don Quigley dwquig...@cox.net wrote: Some of the recent messages have prompted this more general question I have about how to enter “names” for unknown persons in Legacy, particularly for persons with no known given or surname. This situation typically arises for a female with no known surname, for whom I have information about her parents that I want to record and have in the database when (if) I find the missing names. I also need parents for siblings to be linked, even if their surnames are unknown. I have always used ??? as the unknown given and/or surname for a person. Legacy warns me against doing so, but allows me to do it. However, if I leave both fields blank, Legacy will prevent me from saving the person. For me, ??? seems to work well, but I’ve often wondered why does Legacy (and other geneaology sources) warn against the use of a questionmark in a name? Are they just referring to the practice of trying to show uncertainty about a name – i.e., John Smith?. I don’t do that. Donald Quigley Escondido, CA Quigley Doyle Family Tree http://www.donquigley.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Persons
I do a slight modification to the below. I use: [---?--] unknown first name (given name) [~--?--] unknown last name (surname) These are usually followed with [[child of xxx]] or [[wife of xxx]] For example: [---?--][[child of Uriah Patton]] Adding the info in double brackets allows me to know where this person came from when I'm looking at the index and such, but it treats it as private info and does not print (normally) in reports/charts. Of course I can add more info here,such as: [---?--][[male child of Uriah Patton]] [~--?--][[son 2 of Pat ??? Jennifer Taylor]] [---?--][[spouse divorcee of Debbie Long]] or whatever I want. So I have the info I want/need, but it does not clutter up reports/charts. And, yes, I do have some people where I don't know EITHER name, so they have this in the first name field: [---?--][[child 1 of Loretta Long]] And this in the last name field: [~--?--][[child 1 of Loretta Long]] Kind of redundant at first glance, and extra typing, but I've found various different situations (which I don't remember now) where having it in both fields was very helpful - such as if I'm looking at a list that only includes last names or something that only includes first names. I use the tilde (~) in last name field just so the first name and last name indicators are slightly different so I don't get confused about which name is missing. I thought about using [uln---?---] [ufn---?---] for unknown last name and unknown first name - but I just did not like the looks of that. On a slightly related note - I'm not heavy into Genealogy, wish I had more time. But since I'm not in it on a regular basis I often get given name and surname confused/reversed in my old feeble mind. Does anyone else have this problem? Anyone have a good hint that I can use to remember that surname = last name and given name = first name? Is there a way to tweak Legacy so it displays field name descriptors such as: Given(first)and Surname(last) Bob On 03/27/2015 15:59, John B. Lisle wrote: Don, One of the your other respondents said whatever floats your boat. I both agree with this sentiment and disagree with such a practice. An important element in treating unknown names is that you are consistent within your own data. I have seen trees where the user used ?, Unknown, Unk, Lnu all within same tree. As I shared in a previous message, I invented [--?--] as my unknown surname almost 20 years ago. I created it to have a consistent unknown surname in my data. I wished it to distinctive enough so that it would stand out in a report as being obviously a placeholder for some unknown (or unknowable or non-existent) surname. I also wished all people with such a surname to sort together at either the top or bottom of the Name List or Index View. I did not wish to use a word like Unknown or Unk or Lnu or NN so there could never be confusion about those words being a real surname. And ? or ??? just visually did not work for me. I began using this and posted some trees using this option in the mid 1990s and then mentioned it in a few RootsWeb posts. About 5 years later, an article was written somewhere analyzing what people were using in the RootsWeb WorldConnect database for unknown surnames and to my surprise the author mentioned that my invention was in the top 5 in use there and that in her opinion, it was technically one of the best choices. That was 10 years ago, and I am slowly seeing other researchers publish articles using [--?--]. It is not a standard, and I doubt that it would ever be, but it is my standard. Further, I set a few other standards for recording data. One was that I would never record a spouseless relationship. All children have to have a Mommy and Daddy, even if Daddy is some anonymous (for now :) ) sperm donor. I decided that I would always create an individual with an unknown name to fill in that position. -- A corollary reason I did this was in part I did not like how Gedcom imports and exports by some vendors treated these relationship and that in some cases the genealogy got screwed up. Making sure that you always have a person in that missing slot eliminates that possibility of error. I also set a personal standard that all people would have a given name and a surname. Gedcom again motivated this. Just last week I received a Gedcom from a person in New Zealand from a family file created with Family Tree Maker. Two wives were only entered with their first names. When the Gedcom was imported into Legacy, those first names became surnames. The fault lay in the way FTM exported the Gedcom. However, I first saw this type of problem in the 1990s so this is not a new problem, but, if a user is not careful, they could be perpetuating errors. Again, to minimize risk of errors, I established my own standard that all individuals would have a given name and a surname. I have already described the unknown surname as [--?--]. What
[LegacyUG] Unknown Persons
Some of the recent messages have prompted this more general question I have about how to enter names for unknown persons in Legacy, particularly for persons with no known given or surname. This situation typically arises for a female with no known surname, for whom I have information about her parents that I want to record and have in the database when (if) I find the missing names. I also need parents for siblings to be linked, even if their surnames are unknown. I have always used ??? as the unknown given and/or surname for a person. Legacy warns me against doing so, but allows me to do it. However, if I leave both fields blank, Legacy will prevent me from saving the person. For me, ??? seems to work well, but I've often wondered why does Legacy (and other geneaology sources) warn against the use of a questionmark in a name? Are they just referring to the practice of trying to show uncertainty about a name - i.e., John Smith?. I don't do that. Donald Quigley Escondido, CA Quigley Doyle Family Tree http://www.donquigley.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Persons
Don, One of the your other respondents said whatever floats your boat. I both agree with this sentiment and disagree with such a practice. An important element in treating unknown names is that you are consistent within your own data. I have seen trees where the user used ?, Unknown, Unk, Lnu all within same tree. As I shared in a previous message, I invented [--?--] as my unknown surname almost 20 years ago. I created it to have a consistent unknown surname in my data. I wished it to distinctive enough so that it would stand out in a report as being obviously a placeholder for some unknown (or unknowable or non-existent) surname. I also wished all people with such a surname to sort together at either the top or bottom of the Name List or Index View. I did not wish to use a word like Unknown or Unk or Lnu or NN so there could never be confusion about those words being a real surname. And ? or ??? just visually did not work for me. I began using this and posted some trees using this option in the mid 1990s and then mentioned it in a few RootsWeb posts. About 5 years later, an article was written somewhere analyzing what people were using in the RootsWeb WorldConnect database for unknown surnames and to my surprise the author mentioned that my invention was in the top 5 in use there and that in her opinion, it was technically one of the best choices. That was 10 years ago, and I am slowly seeing other researchers publish articles using [--?--]. It is not a standard, and I doubt that it would ever be, but it is my standard. Further, I set a few other standards for recording data. One was that I would never record a spouseless relationship. All children have to have a Mommy and Daddy, even if Daddy is some anonymous (for now :) ) sperm donor. I decided that I would always create an individual with an unknown name to fill in that position. -- A corollary reason I did this was in part I did not like how Gedcom imports and exports by some vendors treated these relationship and that in some cases the genealogy got screwed up. Making sure that you always have a person in that missing slot eliminates that possibility of error. I also set a personal standard that all people would have a given name and a surname. Gedcom again motivated this. Just last week I received a Gedcom from a person in New Zealand from a family file created with Family Tree Maker. Two wives were only entered with their first names. When the Gedcom was imported into Legacy, those first names became surnames. The fault lay in the way FTM exported the Gedcom. However, I first saw this type of problem in the 1990s so this is not a new problem, but, if a user is not careful, they could be perpetuating errors. Again, to minimize risk of errors, I established my own standard that all individuals would have a given name and a surname. I have already described the unknown surname as [--?--]. What I did with an unknown given name is best described as a desire to impart as much data in the unknown given name. I could just continue to use [--?--] (as some folks do), but then a viewer seeing the [--?--] would not automatically know it was a surname. I established these standards: First, if I knew the gender of the individual, the unknown given name should reflect that gender. Second, if the given name was unknown but the person was a child of a couple, the name would reflect being a child; if the unknown name was because of a marriage, it would better reflect that. So, I use Mister and Miss for unknown given names for marriage partners and Son and Daughter for children. If the child's gender is not documented, I will use Child or Infant, the latter when I have reasonable evidence the child was stillborn or died very young. Legacy 8, in its great wisdom, created a tool so that when a user has such standards, the PP Alert flag will be able to ignore them. In your My Documents/_AppData folder, you can add a text file called UnknownName.txt. In this you can document what you are using for such unknown names. (See the Help pages on PP Alerts to see how to construct such a file). This is what mine looks like: Miss Mister Daughter Son Child Infant [--?--] OK? john. At 01:23 PM 3/27/2015, Don Quigley wrote: Some of the recent messages have prompted this more general question I have about how to enter names for unknown persons in Legacy, particularly for persons with no known given or surname. This situation typically arises for a female with no known surname, for whom I have information about her parents that I want to record and have in the database when (if) I find the missing names. I also need parents for siblings to be linked, even if their surnames are unknown. I have always used ??? as the unknown given and/or surname for a person. Legacy warns me against doing so, but allows me to do it. However, if I leave both fields blank, Legacy will prevent me from saving the person. For me, ??? seems to work well, but Ive often wondered why
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Don, I cant answer the question as to why Legacy does the things it does as far as name conventions. But I have a large database of almost 250,000. The problems come most often because of exchanging gedcoms where importing and exporting data doesnt always end up in the right place causing errors. Wherever I can I place a name and a date to help define the person I use UnknownM and UnknownF for given names and Unknown as a surname You can tell Legacy to exclude specific names on the potential problems list. I also add in usually some kind of date definer. Say as you mentioned as married females parents and siblings. Let say the lady was born in 1900 and married in 1918. I would add her parents as UnknownM Unknown born Bef 1882 and married Bef 1900 to UnknownF Unknown also born Bef 1882 and under the parents add the siblings like Margaret Unknown born 1915 and John Unknown born 1918 If you were to leave the default Legacy of just no names but a defacto (unknown and unknown) couple that connected to the Margaret and John siblings... because there are no dates for the parents they would export in any gedcom as LIVING persons. With dates added Legacy has a better chance on not selecting them when searching for duplicates (If I didnt have all these (placeholders) my duplicate search would have over 1,000,000 potentials to reviewlol) so my general rules of thumb for date estimations are; abt. (about) is used whenever the date is NOT exact OR complete; Dec 2008 is listed as abt. Dec 2008 aft. (after) is used for birth dates and estimates the birth took place after the marriage of the parents. aft. (after) used in birth dates estimates the birth took place after the parent was 18 years of age. aft. (after) used in marriage dates estimates the couple were married after the eldest spouse was at least 18 years of age. bef. (before) used in marriages dates estimates a couple were married before the date of birth of any children. bef. (before) used in death dates estimates a person died before the age of 100. bet. (between) used in birth dates estimates a person was born between a range of dates when they are not listed on a census and are listed on the next census. bet. (between) used in marriage dates estimates a range of dates from aft 18 years of age of the eldest spouse to some other date information from another source. cir. (circa) used in birth dates estimates a spouses birth date is close to the same year as their spouse and is used only when no other estimated dates can be determined. Yes, there will be people you find that actual date falls outside of these generalizations, (like the 3/10ths of 1 % of persons that live to be over 100 in my datafile) that is an acceptable range for error. Hope this helps Jay On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Don Quigley dwquig...@cox.net wrote: Some of the recent messages have prompted this more general question I have about how to enter “names” for unknown persons in Legacy, particularly for persons with no known given or surname. This situation typically arises for a female with no known surname, for whom I have information about her parents that I want to record and have in the database when (if) I find the missing names. I also need parents for siblings to be linked, even if their surnames are unknown. I have always used ??? as the unknown given and/or surname for a person. Legacy warns me against doing so, but allows me to do it. However, if I leave both fields blank, Legacy will prevent me from saving the person. For me, ??? seems to work well, but I’ve often wondered why does Legacy (and other geneaology sources) warn against the use of a questionmark in a name? Are they just referring to the practice of trying to show uncertainty about a name – i.e., John Smith?. I don’t do that. Donald Quigley Escondido, CA Quigley Doyle Family Tree http://www.donquigley.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog
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Jay, We can agree to disagree about your unknown name naming conventions, but I did wish to respond to some of your date usage. As both of us maintain somewhat public research sites online, I decided some time ago that I did not wish to publish dates that I could not support by some type of fact. Yet, as a One Namer, I would find that my family files would have actually 100s of people with more or less the same name. I discovered that Legacy has a neat feature that allows you to make a date private. For instance when I enter a marriage record for John Stedman and Mary Smith that took place in May 1816 and have not (yet) discovered them in a census or in other vital records documentation, I will estimate when they were born. For John, say 1790. I enter in Legacy [[est 1790]] {I tie est to the circa date in Legacy}. The privacy brackets around the date mean that index view and name list will sort the person correctly, but when I export the Gedcom, no date will appear for the birth date. I have seen too many cases of people (myself included before I set this standard) having a date like you have of bef. 1882 copied down as 1882 and then get perpetuated. Now, I try not to be responsible for introducing too much bogus information into the literature. When you enter a private date that would otherwise trigger the person as being deceased, the person is set to deceased. This triggers another rant... :-) I hate to see trees where persons born 400 years ago are listed as living and thus made private. This is often caused by some genealogy program or another not having a data model that properly handles when an undated person is deceased. Consequently, I set a personal standard that anyone whom I believe to be deceased, I will enter the death date of Unknown. Then I do not have to depend on the whim of any genealogy program to set the person as deceased. I have also found that when recording census data, it is helpful, even when I do not have a death date, to record a death date as after 1860 if the 1860 census was last that I found him or her recorded. I will also make that a between date if, say, I find the person is the 1860 census but I learn in the 1880 or 1900 census or some other record that the person is deceased: bet. 1860 and 1880. I do know this standard sets up the possibility of someone recording the after date as just a date. I am likely to make that a private date as a result. My concern then is that the deceased person does not show a death date ... Since I do not permit Gedcoms to be downloaded from my TNG site, I am not as not as worried about this. But it is a concern. john. At 03:29 PM 3/27/2015, Jay Wilpolt wrote: Don, I cant answer the question as to why Legacy does the things it does as far as name conventions. But I have a large database of almost 250,000. The problems come most often because of exchanging gedcoms where importing and exporting data doesnt always end up in the right place causing errors. Wherever I can I place a name and a date to help define the person I use UnknownMÂ and UnknownF for given names and Unknown as a surname You can tell Legacy to exclude specific names on the potential problems list. I also add in usually some kind of date definer. Say as you mentioned as married females parents and siblings. Let say the lady was born in 1900 and married in 1918. I would add her parents as UnknownM Unknown born Bef 1882 and married Bef 1900 to UnknownF Unknown also born Bef 1882 and under the parents add the siblings like Margaret Unknown born 1915 and John Unknown born 1918 If you were to leave the default Legacy of just no names but a defacto (unknown and unknown) couple that connected to the Margaret and John siblings... because there are no dates for the parents they would export in any gedcom as LIVING persons. With dates added Legacy has a better chance on not selecting them when searching for duplicates (If I didnt have all these (placeholders) my duplicate search would have over 1,000,000 potentials to reviewlol) so my general rules of thumb for date estimations are; abt. (about) is used whenever the date is NOT exact OR complete; Dec 2008 is listed as abt. Dec 2008 aft. (after) is used for birth dates and estimates the birth took place after the marriage of the parents. aft. (after) used in birth dates estimates the birth took place after the parent was 18 years of age. aft. (after) used in marriage dates estimates the couple were married after the eldest spouse was at least 18 years of age. bef. (before) used in marriages dates estimates a couple were married before the date of birth of any children. bef. (before) used in death dates estimates a person died before the age of 100. bet. (between) used in birth dates estimates a person was born between a range of dates when they are not listed on a census and are listed on the next census. bet. (between) used in marriage dates estimates a range of dates from aft 18 years of age of the
RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown Persons
I use the old LNU (last name unknown), which groups them all in the index in alphabetical order by last name/first name. Barton On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 01:23 PM, Don Quigley wrote: Some of the recent messages have prompted this more general question I have about how to enter “names” for unknown persons in Legacy, particularly for persons with no known given or surname. This situation typically arises for a female with no known surname, for whom I have information about her parents that I want to record and have in the database when (if) I find the missing names. I also need parents for siblings to be linked, even if their surnames are unknown. I have always used ??? as the unknown given and/or surname for a person. Legacy warns me against doing so, but allows me to do it. However, if I leave both fields blank, Legacy will prevent me from saving the person. For me, ??? seems to work well, but I’ve often wondered why does Legacy (and other geneaology sources) warn against the use of a questionmark in a name? Are they just referring to the practice of trying to show uncertainty about a name – i.e., John Smith?. I don’t do that. Donald Quigley Escondido, CA Quigley Doyle Family Tree http://www.donquigley.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Persons
On 2015/03/27 19:23 PM, Don Quigley wrote: For me, ??? seems to work well, but I’ve often wondered why does Legacy (and other geneaology sources) warn against the use of a questionmark in a name? Are they just referring to the practice of trying to show uncertainty about a name – i.e., John Smith?. I don’t do that. There is no standard or accepted practice. Whatever floats your boat! -- Regards, Mike Fry (Jhb) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown Persons
Many of my individuals are from the mediaeval and earlier periods when surnames did not exist. They were often invented by historians, such as Plantagenet. Legacy makes it simple to find those without surnames. Godgifu had no surname, but was of Wessex, so I have given name Godgifu of and use her place Wessex as surname. Doing it that way also allows me to find all Wessex individuals (Eadgyth, Eafa, Eoppa, Cynric, et al.) Given names is easy too. To show children as siblings, I have many such as Father of François II Charles de. When it is known that a daughter of a known individual married another known individual, but the name of the daughter is unknown (very common), I have many such as Daughter of Galindo Áznarez I de. Using these names instead of question marks makes it simple to know who the person is in the Index or Name List. And yes, because de means of, it is never part of the surname. There are a few times when, much later, it was incorporated into the surname, for example, de la Warre became Delaware, but that is rare. CE From: dwquig...@cox.net To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Unknown Persons Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:23:43 -0700 Some of the recent messages have prompted this more general question I have about how to enter “names” for unknown persons in Legacy, particularly for persons with no known given or surname. This situation typically arises for a female with no known surname, for whom I have information about her parents that I want to record and have in the database when (if) I find the missing names. I also need parents for siblings to be linked, even if their surnames are unknown. I have always used ??? as the unknown given and/or surname for a person. Legacy warns me against doing so, but allows me to do it. However, if I leave both fields blank, Legacy will prevent me from saving the person. For me, ??? seems to work well, but I’ve often wondered why does Legacy (and other geneaology sources) warn against the use of a questionmark in a name? Are they just referring to the practice of trying to show uncertainty about a name – i.e., John Smith?. I don’t do that. Donald QuigleyEscondido, CAQuigley Doyle Family Treehttp://www.donquigley.net Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://support.legacyfamilytree.com Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Persons
John I think we are on the same page some thoughts to add. *As both of us maintain somewhat public research sites online, I decided some time ago that I did not wish to publish dates that I could not support by some type of fact. Yet, as a One Namer, I would find that my family files would have actually 100s of people with more or less the same name. *Again another reason why I had to start adding some date qualifiers as my own distant (5th great) paternal families had names like; Johan Bernard William Whilpholt Bernard Wilhelm Henricis Whilpholt Johann Wilhelm Henricus Whilpholt Henricus Willhelm Bernard Whilpholt Wilhelm Johann Hericus Whilpholt and often not the exact same name would then be used for their marriage or death Or like where 8 families with the same surname all lived close by and they all had a Maria Anna born between 1850-1870 *I discovered that Legacy has a neat feature that allows you to make a date private. For instance when I enter a marriage record for John Stedman and Mary Smith that took place in May 1816 and have not (yet) discovered them in a census or in other vital records documentation, I will estimate when they were born. For John, say 1790. I enter in Legacy [[est 1790]] {I tie est to the circa date in Legacy}. The privacy brackets around the date mean that index view and name list will sort the person correctly, but when I export the Gedcom, no date will appear for the birth date.* Personal choice not to keep the dates private, since i dont know what genealogy software someone else uses, thaht may not properly handle all the Blank info, whereas I am pretty sure it will handle fields with data. * I have seen too many cases of people (myself included before I set this standard) having a date like you have of bef. 1882 copied down as 1882 and then get perpetuated. Now, I try not to be responsible for introducing too much bogus information into the literature.* I can not control how well other copy down info, If it says bef 1882 they better copy BEFORE 1882. * When you enter a private date that would otherwise trigger the person as being deceased, the person is set to deceased. * That is a good feature * This triggers another rant... :-) I hate to see trees where persons born 400 years ago are listed as living and thus made private. This is often caused by some genealogy program or another not having a data model that properly handles when an undated person is deceased. Consequently, I set a personal standard that anyone whom I believe to be deceased, I will enter the death date of Unknown. Then I do not have to depend on the whim of any genealogy program to set the person as deceased. * AGREED AGREED AGREED not to mention some basic validation tests. when I see a parent born in 1880 and their child is born in 1792 I know they are not serious about their data * I have also found that when recording census data, it is helpful, even when I do not have a death date, to record a death date as after 1860 if the 1860 census was last that I found him or her recorded. I will also make that a between date if, say, I find the person is the 1860 census but I learn in the 1880 or 1900 census or some other record that the person is deceased: bet. 1860 and 1880. I do know this standard sets up the possibility of someone recording the after date as just a date. I am likely to make that a private date as a result. My concern then is that the deceased person does not show a death date .* But as another user stated, the best way is whatever works for YOU.. On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 1:33 PM, John B. Lisle leg...@johnlisle.com wrote: Jay, We can agree to disagree about your unknown name naming conventions, but I did wish to respond to some of your date usage. As both of us maintain somewhat public research sites online, I decided some time ago that I did not wish to publish dates that I could not support by some type of fact. Yet, as a One Namer, I would find that my family files would have actually 100s of people with more or less the same name. I discovered that Legacy has a neat feature that allows you to make a date private. For instance when I enter a marriage record for John Stedman and Mary Smith that took place in May 1816 and have not (yet) discovered them in a census or in other vital records documentation, I will estimate when they were born. For John, say 1790. I enter in Legacy [[est 1790]] {I tie est to the circa date in Legacy}. The privacy brackets around the date mean that index view and name list will sort the person correctly, but when I export the Gedcom, no date will appear for the birth date. I have seen too many cases of people (myself included before I set this standard) having a date like you have of bef. 1882 copied down as 1882 and then get perpetuated. Now, I try not to be responsible for introducing too much bogus information into the literature. When you enter a private date that would otherwise
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Persons
I agree with John about how easily date modifiers get lost. For a start they don't show in many indexes. So I also put dates in privacy brackets. However, in Legacy I don't feel the need to put something in the Death date to trigger that the person has died. I periodically run the Advanced Set Living Tool - especially before exporting a Gedcom to upload to Ancestry. For a Gedcom for Ancestry I also omit Living people altogether. If you really want the living private, don't show them. Cathy Jay Wilpolt wrote: John I think we are on the same page some thoughts to add. /As both of us maintain somewhat public research sites online, I decided some time ago that I did not wish to publish dates that I could not support by some type of fact. Yet, as a One Namer, I would find that my family files would have actually 100s of people with more or less the same name. /Again another reason why I had to start adding some date qualifiers as my own distant (5th great) paternal families had names like; Johan Bernard William Whilpholt Bernard Wilhelm Henricis Whilpholt Johann Wilhelm Henricus Whilpholt Henricus Willhelm Bernard Whilpholt Wilhelm Johann Hericus Whilpholt and often not the exact same name would then be used for their marriage or death/ / Or like where 8 families with the same surname all lived close by and they all had a Maria Anna born between 1850-1870 /I discovered that Legacy has a neat feature that allows you to make a date private. For instance when I enter a marriage record for John Stedman and Mary Smith that took place in May 1816 and have not (yet) discovered them in a census or in other vital records documentation, I will estimate when they were born. For John, say 1790. I enter in Legacy [[est 1790]] {I tie est to the circa date in Legacy}. The privacy brackets around the date mean that index view and name list will sort the person correctly, but when I export the Gedcom, no date will appear for the birth date. / Personal choice not to keep the dates private, since i dont know what genealogy software someone else uses, thaht may not properly handle all the Blank info, whereas I am pretty sure it will handle fields with data. / / / I have seen too many cases of people (myself included before I set this standard) having a date like you have of bef. 1882 copied down as 1882 and then get perpetuated. Now, I try not to be responsible for introducing too much bogus information into the literature. / I can not control how well other copy down info, If it says bef 1882 they better copy BEFORE 1882. / / / When you enter a private date that would otherwise trigger the person as being deceased, the person is set to deceased. / That is a good feature/ / / This triggers another rant... :-) I hate to see trees where persons born 400 years ago are listed as living and thus made private. This is often caused by some genealogy program or another not having a data model that properly handles when an undated person is deceased. Consequently, I set a personal standard that anyone whom I believe to be deceased, I will enter the death date of Unknown. Then I do not have to depend on the whim of any genealogy program to set the person as deceased. / AGREED AGREED AGREED not to mention some basic validation tests. when I see a parent born in 1880 and their child is born in 1792 I know they are not serious about their data/ / / I have also found that when recording census data, it is helpful, even when I do not have a death date, to record a death date as after 1860 if the 1860 census was last that I found him or her recorded. I will also make that a between date if, say, I find the person is the 1860 census but I learn in the 1880 or 1900 census or some other record that the person is deceased: bet. 1860 and 1880. I do know this standard sets up the possibility of someone recording the after date as just a date. I am likely to make that a private date as a result. My concern then is that the deceased person does not show a death date ./ But as another user stated, the best way is whatever works for YOU.. On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 1:33 PM, John B. Lisle leg...@johnlisle.com mailto:leg...@johnlisle.com wrote: Jay, We can agree to disagree about your unknown name naming conventions, but I did wish to respond to some of your date usage. As both of us maintain somewhat public research sites online, I decided some time ago that I did not wish to publish dates that I could not support by some type of fact. Yet, as a One Namer, I would find that my family files would have actually 100s of people with more or less the same name. I discovered that Legacy has a neat feature that allows you to make a date private. For instance when I enter a marriage record for John Stedman and Mary Smith that took place in May 1816 and have not (yet) discovered them in a census or in other vital records documentation,
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Persons
Jay, Please see below... john. At 06:59 PM 3/27/2015, Jay Wilpolt wrote: John I think we are on the same page some thoughts to add. As both of us maintain somewhat public research sites online, I decided some time ago that I did not wish to publish dates that I could not support by some type of fact. Yet, as a One Namer, I would find that my family files would have actually 100s of people with more or less the same name. Again another reason why I had to start adding some date qualifiers as my own distant (5th great) paternal families had names like; Johan Bernard William Whilpholt Bernard Wilhelm Henricis Whilpholt Johann Wilhelm Henricus Whilpholt Henricus Willhelm Bernard Whilpholt Wilhelm Johann Hericus Whilpholt and often not the exact same name would then be used for their marriage or death Or like where 8 families with the same surname all lived close by and they all had a Maria Anna born between 1850-1870 I agree, but I just do not wish to publish data that I know to be guesses. The private dates helps me keep organized without publishing more crap. I discovered that Legacy has a neat feature that allows you to make a date private. For instance when I enter a marriage record for John Stedman and Mary Smith that took place in May 1816 and have not (yet) discovered them in a census or in other vital records documentation, I will estimate when they were born. For John, say 1790. I enter in Legacy [[est 1790]] {I tie est to the circa date in Legacy}. The privacy brackets around the date mean that index view and name list will sort the person correctly, but when I export the Gedcom, no date will appear for the birth date. Personal choice not to keep the dates private, since i dont know what genealogy software someone else uses, thaht may not properly handle all the Blank info, whereas I am pretty sure it will handle fields with data. I have never seen a problem, remember, I am always explicitly putting in at least an Unknown death date. Every software product I have looked at handles that. I have seen too many cases of people (myself included before I set this standard) having a date like you have of bef. 1882 copied down as 1882 and then get perpetuated. Now, I try not to be responsible for introducing too much bogus information into the literature. I can not control how well other copy down info, If it says bef 1882 they better copy BEFORE 1882. Again, I prefer to take the risk out of the equation. The historical way to deal with such items is to say Joe Smith, son of Alfred Smith and Ellen Jones. Or some other phrase that talks to their genealogy. When I am working a family reconstruction, I am always looking for the names of parents of the spouses of my target family. And, I will research the spouse family more if I start finding surnames that are popping up elsewhere in the family. This is my hidden cousins dynamic. When you enter a private date that would otherwise trigger the person as being deceased, the person is set to deceased. That is a good feature This triggers another rant... :-) I hate to see trees where persons born 400 years ago are listed as living and thus made private. This is often caused by some genealogy program or another not having a data model that properly handles when an undated person is deceased. Consequently, I set a personal standard that anyone whom I believe to be deceased, I will enter the death date of Unknown. Then I do not have to depend on the whim of any genealogy program to set the person as deceased. AGREED AGREED AGREED  not to mention some basic validation tests. when I see a parent born in 1880 and their child is born in 1792 I know they are not serious about their data Of course. Or when you look at a FamilySearch or Ancestry tree and you see a person father or grandfather in their child list. The L8 PP Alerts system is wonderful for preventing this -- I get a laff out of hearing people talk about turning it off because they are getting too many alerts. I do not add Gedcoms to my research file. If someone contributes a Gedcom, I import the Gedcom into Legacy and then rework each person in the file so that the data complies with my standards and then append it into my main file, merging data where necessary. IE, the Gedcom was only a file of clues. I have also found that when recording census data, it is helpful, even when I do not have a death date, to record a death date as after 1860 if the 1860 census was last that I found him or her recorded. I will also make that a between date if, say, I find the person is the 1860 census but I learn in the 1880 or 1900 census or some other record that the person is deceased: bet. 1860 and 1880. I do know this standard sets up the possibility of someone recording the after date as just a date. I am likely to make that a private date as a result. My concern then is that the deceased person does not show a death date . But as another user stated, the best way is whatever works for
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Persons
Cathy, 1/ Let me say that I include a death date for people whom I believe to have died out of a personal preference. We have chatted about this in the past, and I think my way is safer. For instance, I get to set people as deceased who died in the 20th century whom I cannot find explicit death information, but know, based on circumstantial evidence, that they are most likely deceased. I am sure that if your work is done entirely within the Legacy Bubble, you are ok. Let us just say that I am not so trusting. 2/ Unlike you and most of the experienced genealogy community, I do display the names of known living people on my web sites. I explicitly state this in my privacy policy: http://www.davidsongenealogy.com/family1/extensions/privacy.php If I am given information about living people from a family member and they ask me to hide the living people, I will comply by making the specific people invisible in Legacy. I figure, if I am getting all of the details of a family, I do not need some new visitor to fill in the details. The US has more explicit data available about living people than some other countries, but I am always surprised about what I can learn about living people, even from several supposedly high privacy countries like Australia. john. At 09:00 PM 3/27/2015, Cathy Pinner wrote: I agree with John about how easily date modifiers get lost. For a start they don't show in many indexes. So I also put dates in privacy brackets. However, in Legacy I don't feel the need to put something in the Death date to trigger that the person has died. I periodically run the Advanced Set Living Tool - especially before exporting a Gedcom to upload to Ancestry. For a Gedcom for Ancestry I also omit Living people altogether. If you really want the living private, don't show them. Cathy Jay Wilpolt wrote: John I think we are on the same page some thoughts to add. /As both of us maintain somewhat public research sites online, I decided some time ago that I did not wish to publish dates that I could not support by some type of fact. Yet, as a One Namer, I would BR find that my family files would have actually 100s of people with more or less the same name. /Again another reason why I had to start adding some date qualifiers as my own distant (5th great) paternal families had names like; Johan Bernard William Whilpholt Bernard Wilhelm Henricis Whilpholt Johann Wilhelm Henricus Whilpholt Henricus Willhelm Bernard Whilpholt Wilhelm Johann Hericus Whilpholt and often not the exact same name would then be used for their marriage or death/ / Or like where 8 families with the same surname all lived close by and they all had a Maria Anna born between 1850-1870 /I discovered that Legacy has a neat feature that allows you to make a date private. For instance when I enter a marriage record for John Stedman and Mary Smith that took place in May 1816 and have not (yet) discovered them in a census or in other vital records documentation, I will estimate when they were born. For John, say 1790. I enter in Legacy [[est 1790]] {I tie est to the circa date in Legacy}. The privacy brackets around the date mean that index view and name list will sort the person correctly, but when I export the Gedcom, no date will appear for the birth date. / Personal choice not to keep the dates private, since i dont know what genealogy software someone else uses, thaht may not properly handle all the Blank info, whereas I am pretty sure it will handle fields with data. / / / I have seen too many cases of people (myself included before I set this standard) having a date like you have of bef. 1882 copied down as 1882 and then get perpetuated. Now, I try not to be responsible for introducing too much bogus information into the literature. / I can not control how well other copy down info, If it says bef 1882 they better copy BEFORE 1882 . / / / When you enter a private date that would otherwise trigger the person as being deceased, the person is set to deceased. / That is a good feature/ / / This triggers another rant... :-) I hate to see trees where persons born 400 years ago are listed as living and thus made private. This is often caused by some genealogy program or another not having a data model that properly handles when an undated person is deceased. Consequently, I set a personal standard that anyone whom I believe to be deceased, I will enter the death date of Unknown. Then I do not have to depend on the whim of any genealogy program to set the person as deceased. / AGREED AGREED AGREED not to mention some basic validation tests. when I see a parent born in 1880 and their child is born in 1792 I know they are not serious about their data/ / / I have also fou nd that when recording census data, it is helpful, even when I do not have a death date, to record a death date as after 1860 if the 1860 census was last that I found him or her recorded. I will also make that a between date if, say, I find the
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Maiden names (Was: When to use est and when to use abt)
Just a further addition to this: If you bracket (outside) on the surname and you generate a (Pedigree) webpage from Legacy for a website it makes the bracket surname a new name in the lists. So my (Firstname box) “Mary (spouse of Henry” (Second name box) “Pickett)” becomes in the lists “Pickett), Mary spouse of Henry” No problem if you don’t do websites. Legacy doesn’t do it in its own name list. I like the idea, so have just put the second bracket outside, in this case, Henry. Bryan Chch NZ Sent from Windows Mail From: David Abernathy Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 6:07 AM To: Legacy I do something that is similar Mary ? (Wife of George Smith) I also use a similar format for unknown husbands and parents ? Smith (Husband of Mary Jones) ? Smith (Father of Mary Smith) Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == From: Karen Blackmore [mailto:stk...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 7:35 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Maiden names (Was: When to use est and when to use abt) Since I nad too many women whose names were Mary, Elizabeth, and Catherine, I came up with this method. With an unknown woman's surname I put her first name in the appropriate place followed by (sp of [husband's first name or initial] and then in the surname box I put [husband's surname]) So, the () are in two different spaces. I believe you'll find that it is then found in the appropriate surname but it's obvious that it's not hers. Perhaps this will show as an example: Mary (sp of George Smith) Good luck. Karen On Monday, January 6, 2014 2:57 AM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote: I use [---?---] for an unknown surname regardless of gender. The beauty of Legacy is that I can have in Index view Show Alternate Names or Show Married Names activated and so my Mary [---?---] will appear in the list under her married name and I don't have to go searching too far for her. On 6 January 2014 19:34, David Newton lugda...@drdavid.plus.com wrote: Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list by searching for suffix spouse On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote: SNIP And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname box. her surname is/was her maiden name. When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their married name entered in the surname box. SNIP Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Maiden names (Was: When to use est and when to use abt)
I use [---?---] for an unknown surname regardless of gender. The beauty of Legacy is that I can have in Index view Show Alternate Names or Show Married Names activated and so my Mary [---?---] will appear in the list under her married name and I don't have to go searching too far for her. On 6 January 2014 19:34, David Newton lugda...@drdavid.plus.com wrote: Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list by searching for suffix spouse On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote: SNIP And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname box. her surname is/was her maiden name. When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their married name entered in the surname box. SNIP Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Maiden names (Was: When to use est and when to use abt)
Since I nad too many women whose names were Mary, Elizabeth, and Catherine, I came up with this method. With an unknown woman's surname I put her first name in the appropriate place followed by (sp of [husband's first name or initial] and then in the surname box I put [husband's surname]) So, the () are in two different spaces. I believe you'll find that it is then found in the appropriate surname but it's obvious that it's not hers. Perhaps this will show as an example: Mary (sp of George Smith) Good luck. Karen On Monday, January 6, 2014 2:57 AM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote: I use [---?---] for an unknown surname regardless of gender. The beauty of Legacy is that I can have in Index view Show Alternate Names or Show Married Names activated and so my Mary [---?---] will appear in the list under her married name and I don't have to go searching too far for her. On 6 January 2014 19:34, David Newton lugda...@drdavid.plus.com wrote: Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list by searching for suffix spouse On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote: SNIP And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname box. her surname is/was her maiden name. When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their married name entered in the surname box. SNIP Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown Maiden names (Was: When to use est and when to use abt)
I do something that is similar Mary ? (Wife of George Smith) I also use a similar format for unknown husbands and parents ? Smith (Husband of Mary Jones) ? Smith (Father of Mary Smith) Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == From: Karen Blackmore [mailto:stk...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 7:35 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Maiden names (Was: When to use est and when to use abt) Since I nad too many women whose names were Mary, Elizabeth, and Catherine, I came up with this method. With an unknown woman's surname I put her first name in the appropriate place followed by (sp of [husband's first name or initial] and then in the surname box I put [husband's surname]) So, the () are in two different spaces. I believe you'll find that it is then found in the appropriate surname but it's obvious that it's not hers. Perhaps this will show as an example: Mary (sp of George Smith) Good luck. Karen On Monday, January 6, 2014 2:57 AM, Kathy Thompson kmthoms...@gmail.com wrote: I use [---?---] for an unknown surname regardless of gender. The beauty of Legacy is that I can have in Index view Show Alternate Names or Show Married Names activated and so my Mary [---?---] will appear in the list under her married name and I don't have to go searching too far for her. On 6 January 2014 19:34, David Newton lugda...@drdavid.plus.com wrote: Agreed but it can be difficult when you don't know the maiden name. I started by leaving it blank and then ended up with a collection of forenames at the front of my index. So I now go with the married surname and a title suffix of spouse. These have the advantage of showing in the index in a more appropriate place and also it is easy to produce a list by searching for suffix spouse On 06/01/2014 09:21, Jay 1FamilyTree wrote: SNIP And everyone PLEASE stop putting a womans married name in the surname box. her surname is/was her maiden name. When gedcoms are passed on or info taken from a source that has done that I diligently verify it only to find 98% are in fact having their married name entered in the surname box. SNIP Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] unknown connections in Legacy
It was this sort of situation which caused me to begin my Ferguson One-name Study, now registered with The Guild of One-Name Studies. I have this study in a separate Legacy file which contains only my Ferguson ancestors from my Family File, together with all the other Fergusons which I have found. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ GOONS #5307 From: SHIRLEY ANDERSON Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 7:58 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] unknown connections in Legacy Preparing to do a one-name search for Yorks in Long Buckby (England), I created a separate family file for the York surname. I copied the Yorks in my main family file that were connected to England, and then used the York file to accumulate information on new people. When I had ones that I was sure were connected to mine, I copied them to the main file. I used a unique UserID for the ones in my main file. Then I made a rule that I updated those people in the main file. If I felt the update was critical to my search for Yorks, I would have updated that file also. It was a little clumsy to move back and forth between files, but I avoided the confusion of many John Yorks etc in my main file that weren't mine. ~~ Shirley York Anderson yor...@prodigy.net ~~ My web site: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~syafam/ http://myfamilybrickwalls.blogspot.com/ From: Syble Glasscock syble_...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Fri, January 18, 2013 1:36:28 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] unknown connections in Legacy I have multiple records on people with the surnames I'm researching in the areas of my lines. I'd like suggestions as to how to make better use of what I have by adding them someway into Legacy. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, Syble Glasscock Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] unknown connections in Legacy
Thanks to both of you for responding. I can see how a separate one-name Legacy file would help me. My main objective is to get notes, e-mails and computer files with the corresponding name in one place, so I can discard duplicate information and also readily find a particular person. As the years have gone by, with more data collected, it gets more difficult to go back through the files. Thanks Again, Syble From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] unknown connections in Legacy It was this sort of situation which caused me to begin my Ferguson One-name Study, now registered with The Guild of One-Name Studies. I have this study in a separate Legacy file which contains only my Ferguson ancestors from my Family File, together with all the other Fergusons which I have found. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ GOONS #5307 From: SHIRLEY ANDERSON Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 7:58 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] unknown connections in Legacy Preparing to do a one-name search for Yorks in Long Buckby (England), I created a separate family file for the York surname. I copied the Yorks in my main family file that were connected to England, and then used the York file to accumulate information on new people. When I had ones that I was sure were connected to mine, I copied them to the main file. I used a unique UserID for the ones in my main file. Then I made a rule that I updated those people in the main file. If I felt the update was critical to my search for Yorks, I would have updated that file also. It was a little clumsy to move back and forth between files, but I avoided the confusion of many John Yorks etc in my main file that weren't mine. ~~ Shirley York Anderson yor...@prodigy.net ~~ My web site: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~syafam/ http://myfamilybrickwalls.blogspot.com/ From: Syble Glasscock syble_...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Fri, January 18, 2013 1:36:28 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] unknown connections in Legacy I have multiple records on people with the surnames I'm researching in the areas of my lines. I'd like suggestions as to how to make better use of what I have by adding them someway into Legacy. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, Syble Glasscock Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] unknown connections in Legacy
I have multiple records on people with the surnames I'm researching in the areas of my lines. I'd like suggestions as to how to make better use of what I have by adding them someway into Legacy. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, Syble Glasscock Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] unknown connections in Legacy
Just add them as unlinked individuals ( Add New Unlinked Individual) and make a To-Do item to research them further to see where they fit in. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Syble Glasscock syble_...@yahoo.com wrote: I have multiple records on people with the surnames I'm researching in the areas of my lines. I'd like suggestions as to how to make better use of what I have by adding them someway into Legacy. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, Syble Glasscock Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] unknown connections in Legacy
I have multiple records on people with the surnames I'm researching in the areas of my lines. I'd like suggestions as to how to make better use of what I have by adding them someway into Legacy. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, Syble Glasscock Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] unknown connections in Legacy
Preparing to do a one-name search for Yorks in Long Buckby (England), I created a separate family file for the York surname. I copied the Yorks in my main family file that were connected to England, and then used the York file to accumulate information on new people. When I had ones that I was sure were connected to mine, I copied them to the main file. I used a unique UserID for the ones in my main file. Then I made a rule that I updated those people in the main file. If I felt the update was critical to my search for Yorks, I would have updated that file also. It was a little clumsy to move back and forth between files, but I avoided the confusion of many John Yorks etc in my main file that weren't mine. ~~ Shirley York Anderson yor...@prodigy.net ~~ My web site: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~syafam/ http://myfamilybrickwalls.blogspot.com/ From: Syble Glasscock syble_...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Fri, January 18, 2013 1:36:28 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] unknown connections in Legacy I have multiple records on people with the surnames I'm researching in the areas of my lines. I'd like suggestions as to how to make better use of what I have by adding them someway into Legacy. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, Syble Glasscock Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown
Anne, The usual way of getting them is to accidently go to the Marriage Screen, realise it's an error and X out - you should use Cancel. In my previous post on ghost marriages I should have said unlink rather than delete. This may well leave the above unknown which you will need to delete separately. It should be noted that in Legacy exiting a page using the X **does NOT mean Cancel**. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Anne Hollingshead Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 5:28 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Yes I have unlinked them. How did I get them ??? I have many unknowns in my data base. How did they get there when I have checked just leave it blank and how do I get rid of them altogether ? Anne On 10/12/2012 2:41 PM, Pat Hickin wrote: Have you tried unlinking them? Pat On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Anne Hollingshead holl...@melbpc.org.au wrote: I have three instances in my data base (marriage list) where unknown is married to unknown. The Rin numbers refer to other individuals. I can find no way of deleting these entries. I have just leave it blank checked. Anne Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown
Once you have got them unlinked, they are orphans in your tree. I think that you can get rid of them completely by one of the File Maintenance procedures -- perhaps Check/Repair, or Compact Family File. Doug. On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:04:49 - Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Anne, The usual way of getting them is to accidently go to the Marriage Screen, realise it's an error and X out - you should use Cancel. In my previous post on ghost marriages I should have said unlink rather than delete. This may well leave the above unknown which you will need to delete separately. It should be noted that in Legacy exiting a page using the X **does NOT mean Cancel**. Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ From: Anne Hollingshead Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 5:28 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Yes I have unlinked them. How did I get them ??? I have many unknowns in my data base. How did they get there when I have checked just leave it blank and how do I get rid of them altogether ? Anne On 10/12/2012 2:41 PM, Pat Hickin wrote: Have you tried unlinking them? Pat On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Anne Hollingshead holl...@melbpc.org.au wrote: I have three instances in my data base (marriage list) where unknown is married to unknown. The Rin numbers refer to other individuals. I can find no way of deleting these entries. I have just leave it blank checked. Anne Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp !DSPAM:50c5d0df84561024292468! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown
Try looking at View/Tree Finder. Hit the Refresh button and then go examine the various trees. Maybe the unlinked Unknowns will show up there and you can remove them. --- JL Beeken JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ On 12/9/2012 9:28 PM, Anne Hollingshead wrote: Yes I have unlinked them. How did I get them ??? I have many unknowns in my data base. How did they get there when I have checked just leave it blank and how do I get rid of them altogether ? Anne On 10/12/2012 2:41 PM, Pat Hickin wrote: Have you tried unlinking them? Pat On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Anne Hollingshead holl...@melbpc.org.au mailto:holl...@melbpc.org.au wrote: I have three instances in my data base (marriage list) where unknown is married to unknown. The Rin numbers refer to other individuals. I can find no way of deleting these entries. I have just leave it blank checked. Anne Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown
Neither Check/Repair nor Compact Family File will remove the ghost marriage records. Those are marriage records which do not contain RINs pointing to either of the spouses. You can find them by sorting the Marr List on Husband or Wife and then look at the top of the sorted list for Unknown in the Husband or Wife column. If both columns show Unknown, you can highlight that marriage and then click Options and then Remove the Marriage Link It is important to realize that siblings are connected to each other because they point to a marriage record of their parents. If you remove a marriage record, that will break the connection between siblings. You may wish to Select the marriage record to see if there is more than one child connected to it. If it is a ghost marriage record with multiple children, then you probably want to add one or both of the parents to it. If you know the parents for a single child, then likewise add one or both of the parents so the marriage record will no longer be a ghost marriage. Ron Ferguson gave a good explanation of what creates some of these ghost records. I have also seem them as a result of importing files. Note that the Marr List will still show the word Unknown even if you have OptionsCustomizeData FormatWord for Blank Records(Just leave it blank) for individual spouse records that do not exist. If you have the following settings in OptionsCustomizeViewDisplay Numbers on Names On all Name Lists box checked On Family View and Pedigree View box checked RINs radio button set Then if you have an individual record with the word Unknown typed in the name field, it will appear with the RIN next to it whereas the Unknown that is supposed to be left blank will show without a RIN next to it. Individuals that do not exist will not show in the Name List. Ron Taylor Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown
Yes I have unlinked them. How did I get them ??? I think the ones I have came from imports and merges. I don’t accidently open a person then close it. Carl Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown
I was more interested in how to remove them than how they got there, because that was more helpful. Anne was saying that nothing she could do would remove them. You have confirmed something else I was thinking: siblings without named parents will need a marriage record to hold them together, and that marriage is between Unknowns. Doug. On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 08:37:41 -0800 (PST) Ron Taylor doit4...@yahoo.com wrote: Neither Check/Repair nor Compact Family File will remove the ghost marriage records. Those are marriage records which do not contain RINs pointing to either of the spouses. You can find them by sorting the Marr List on Husband or Wife and then look at the top of the sorted list for Unknown in the Husband or Wife column. If both columns show Unknown, you can highlight that marriage and then click Options and then Remove the Marriage Link It is important to realize that siblings are connected to each other because they point to a marriage record of their parents. If you remove a marriage record, that will break the connection between siblings. You may wish to Select the marriage record to see if there is more than one child connected to it. If it is a ghost marriage record with multiple children, then you probably want to add one or both of the parents to it. If you know the parents for a single child, then likewise add one or both of the parents so the marriage record will no longer be a ghost marriage. Ron Ferguson gave a good explanation of what creates some of these ghost records. I have also seem them as a result of importing files. Note that the Marr List will still show the word Unknown even if you have OptionsCustomizeData FormatWord for Blank Records(Just leave it blank) for individual spouse records that do not exist. If you have the following settings in OptionsCustomizeViewDisplay Numbers on Names On all Name Lists box checked On Family View and Pedigree View box checked RINs radio button set Then if you have an individual record with the word Unknown typed in the name field, it will appear with the RIN next to it whereas the Unknown that is supposed to be left blank will show without a RIN next to it. Individuals that do not exist will not show in the Name List. Ron Taylor Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Unknown
I have three instances in my data base (marriage list) where unknown is married to unknown. The Rin numbers refer to other individuals. I can find no way of deleting these entries. I have just leave it blank checked. Anne Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown
Have you tried unlinking them? Pat On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Anne Hollingshead holl...@melbpc.org.auwrote: I have three instances in my data base (marriage list) where unknown is married to unknown. The Rin numbers refer to other individuals. I can find no way of deleting these entries. I have just leave it blank checked. Anne Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown
Yes I have unlinked them. How did I get them ??? I have many unknowns in my data base. How did they get there when I have checked just leave it blank and how do I get rid of them altogether ? Anne On 10/12/2012 2:41 PM, Pat Hickin wrote: Have you tried unlinking them? Pat On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Anne Hollingshead holl...@melbpc.org.au mailto:holl...@melbpc.org.au wrote: I have three instances in my data base (marriage list) where unknown is married to unknown. The Rin numbers refer to other individuals. I can find no way of deleting these entries. I have just leave it blank checked. Anne Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown
Sorry, I haven't the foggiest idea!! Pat On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 12:28 AM, Anne Hollingshead holl...@melbpc.org.auwrote: Yes I have unlinked them. How did I get them ??? I have many unknowns in my data base. How did they get there when I have checked just leave it blank and how do I get rid of them altogether ? Anne On 10/12/2012 2:41 PM, Pat Hickin wrote: Have you tried unlinking them? Pat On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Anne Hollingshead holl...@melbpc.org.auwrote: I have three instances in my data base (marriage list) where unknown is married to unknown. The Rin numbers refer to other individuals. I can find no way of deleting these entries. I have just leave it blank checked. Anne Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown sex of person
Has anyone else been frustrated that when adding multiple entries from a book that there isn't a Add unknown sex child with the other Add's. A little, now that you come to mention it Scott. I like to use the keyboard shortcuts, and there is one for add daughter and for add son, but not one for add child of unknown sex, so I find myself in the same situation as you. It means I have to add a son or daughter as usual, and then reach for the cursor (whether by mouse or touchpad, depending on which computer I'm using at the time) and shift it to that field to make the change to unknown, when I may have already placed it strategically for another use in Legacy where there's no keyboard option, or in another window. There is a link in Legacy (in the Legacy Home tab) to suggest a new feature. You may like to use it, Scott, to add your good idea. Kind Regards, Wendy Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown sex of person
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Wendy Howard wendy.how...@gmail.comwrote: Has anyone else been frustrated that when adding multiple entries from a book that there isn't a Add unknown sex child with the other Add's. Have you used the '?' on the edit screen? Works well for my unknown sex children. Anne -- Anne PICKETTS Waipu, NZ NZSG #5331; KFHS #6151 Also at: a...@waipumuseum.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown sex of person
On 2011/10/31 23:30, Jenny M Benson wrote: The problem is having to use the ? after having entered either a male or female, rather than being able to enter the new person as of undetermined gender. Well... you're in the screen already, so what's one click and one keypress more? It's not as if data entry is overly time dependent :-) -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown father
If I have several sibs of unknown parents, I just put the parents in as 'Mr Linnell' 'Mrs Linnell' - or whatever the surname is. This binds the family unit together works perfectly well; it is particularly useful if the siblings have partners/offspring! Joan On 14/07/2011 11:55, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote: I like that! michele -Original Message- From: La Nell Shores Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:03 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown father When I have that situation I add into the notes of the unknown father this phrase: Nothing is known of this person at this time. He is only a space holder for two siblings. Further research is needed. La Nell Shores Sent from my iPhone Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown father
I have this situation in my database. All I did was enter one of the brothers as an individual then click on the Father field in the Family Page. This presents the family page showing the first individual as a son with no parents. You can then simply add another son. I would add an event against each (Census in my case) showing the details and source. Alan From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv [mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv] Sent: 13 July 2011 23:37 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Unknown father Let’s say I have two men that I know are brothers but I don’t know who their father is. For me to get them linked as brothers I have to put in a father. James Doe and Jason Doe are brothers. I have to put just the surname Doe as a father so that they will show as brothers, does that make sense? The problem is, Mr. Doe is showing as a person with no sources at all. I am a little OCD about making sure everyone has sources Smile Smile Smile Is there anyway else to link the two brothers? michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp image001.png
RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown father
You could use basic source to write up a "source" that Unknown Doe is unidentified at this time, but research has shown that John and Jake Doe are brothers from the same yet-unidentified brother.Having a source does not necessarily mean it has to be a document, it can be just an explanation of you're reasoning.Just my 2 cents, hope this idea helps.--- On Thu, 7/14/11, Alan Pereira alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:From: Alan Pereira alanpere...@tiscali.co.ukSubject: RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown fatherTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.comDate: Thursday, July 14, 2011, 5:19 AMI have this situation in my database. All I did was enter one of the brothers as an individual then click on the Father field in the Family Page. This presents the family page showing the first individual as a son with no parents. You can then simply add another son.I would add an event against each (Census in my case) showing the details and source.Alan From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv [mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv] Sent: 13 July 2011 23:37To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.comSubject: [LegacyUG] Unknown father Let’s say I have two men that I know are brothers but I don’t know who their father is. For me to get them linked as brothers I have to put in a father. James Doe and Jason Doe are brothers. I have to put just the surname Doe as a father so that they will show as brothers, does that make sense? The problem is, Mr. Doe is showing as a person with no sources at all. I am a little OCD about making sure everyone has sources Is there anyway else to link the two brothers?micheleLegacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspFollow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com).To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspFollow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com).To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines:http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages after Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009:http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspFollow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com).To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown father
On 2011/07/14 00:37, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote: Let’s say I have two men that I know are brothers but I don’t know who their father is. For me to get them linked as brothers I have to put in a father. James Doe and Jason Doe are brothers. I have to put just the surname Doe as a father so that they will show as brothers, does that make sense? The problem is, Mr. Doe is showing as a person with no sources at all. I am a little OCD about making sure everyone has sources Smile Smile Smile Is there anyway else to link the two brothers? Enter the first man as an unlinked individual. Now, in the Family tab, double-click on the empty father above the man. Now, enter the second man as a brother by right-clicking on his name in the children's list. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown father
I like that! michele -Original Message- From: La Nell Shores Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:03 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown father When I have that situation I add into the notes of the unknown father this phrase: Nothing is known of this person at this time. He is only a space holder for two siblings. Further research is needed. La Nell Shores Sent from my iPhone Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown father
I had thought of that, John. That might be the best options. michele From: John S. Adams Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 11:00 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown father How do you know they're brothers? I would use that source for the father. John S. Adams Hermosa Beach, CA Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown father
Mike, I didn't think that would work but it does! I can't see them as siblings but when I click on the empty father box above then both siblings show up and I don't have to add a father. You are brilliant :) michele -Original Message- From: Mike Fry Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:38 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown father On 2011/07/14 00:37, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote: Let’s say I have two men that I know are brothers but I don’t know who their father is. For me to get them linked as brothers I have to put in a father. James Doe and Jason Doe are brothers. I have to put just the surname Doe as a father so that they will show as brothers, does that make sense? The problem is, Mr. Doe is showing as a person with no sources at all. I am a little OCD about making sure everyone has sources Smile Smile Smile Is there anyway else to link the two brothers? Enter the first man as an unlinked individual. Now, in the Family tab, double-click on the empty father above the man. Now, enter the second man as a brother by right-clicking on his name in the children's list. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown father
That's great. I didn't realize that would work like that. Jerry Alan Pereira alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: I have this situation in my database. All I did was enter one of the brothers as an individual then click on the Father field in the Family Page. This presents the family page showing the first individual as a son with no parents. You can then simply add another son. I would add an event against each (Census in my case) showing the details and source. Alan From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv [mailto:cranberryf...@cobridge.tv] Sent: 13 July 2011 23:37 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Unknown father Let’s say I have two men that I know are brothers but I don’t know who their father is. For me to get them linked as brothers I have to put in a father. James Doe and Jason Doe are brothers. I have to put just the surname Doe as a father so that they will show as brothers, does that make sense? The problem is, Mr. Doe is showing as a person with no sources at all. I am a little OCD about making sure everyone has sources Smile Smile Smile Is there anyway else to link the two brothers? michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown father
If I know the son is John Doe, I assume the father's last name is Doe. So I enter his last name, but leave the first name blank. Will that work for you? OTOH, if the person is a daughter, and I don't know if I have the daughter's maiden name or married name, I just put in father name unknown. When I discover his name, I change it. Thanks. Robert On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:37 PM, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote: Let’s say I have two men that I know are brothers but I don’t know who their father is. For me to get them linked as brothers I have to put in a father. James Doe and Jason Doe are brothers. I have to put just the surname Doe as a father so that they will show as brothers, does that make sense? The problem is, Mr. Doe is showing as a person with no sources at all. I am a little OCD about making sure everyone has sources Is there anyway else to link the two brothers? michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown father
On 13/07/2011 23:37, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote: Let’s say I have two men that I know are brothers but I don’t know who their father is. For me to get them linked as brothers I have to put in a father. James Doe and Jason Doe are brothers. I have to put just the surname Doe as a father so that they will show as brothers, does that make sense? The problem is, Mr. Doe is showing as a person with no sources at all. I am a little OCD about making sure everyone has sources Smile Smile Smile Is there anyway else to link the two brothers? I have at least 2 similar cases - well actually in my cases I do know who the father is but because of my minimal interest in the people concerned I do not want a full entry in my database for their father. All I have is the father's surname, just in order to show the children as siblings. It doesn't bother me (and I normally quite fanatical about sources too) that I have no Source for Daddy because he will never have any information added or appear in any Report. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown father
When I have that situation I add into the notes of the unknown father this phrase: Nothing is known of this person at this time. He is only a space holder for two siblings. Further research is needed. La Nell Shores Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2011, at 6:08 PM, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote: On 13/07/2011 23:37, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote: Let’s say I have two men that I know are brothers but I don’t know who their father is. For me to get them linked as brothers I have to put in a father. James Doe and Jason Doe are brothers. I have to put just the surname Doe as a father so that they will show as brothers, does that make sense? The problem is, Mr. Doe is showing as a person with no sources at all. I am a little OCD about making sure everyone has sources Smile Smile Smile Is there anyway else to link the two brothers? I have at least 2 similar cases - well actually in my cases I do know who the father is but because of my minimal interest in the people concerned I do not want a full entry in my database for their father. All I have is the father's surname, just in order to show the children as siblings. It doesn't bother me (and I normally quite fanatical about sources too) that I have no Source for Daddy because he will never have any information added or appear in any Report. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown father
How do you know they're brothers? I would use that source for the father. John S. AdamsHermosa Beach, CA From: cranberryf...@cobridge.tv To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Unknown father Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:37:26 -0400 Let’s say I have two men that I know are brothers but I don’t know who their father is. For me to get them linked as brothers I have to put in a father. James Doe and Jason Doe are brothers. I have to put just the surname Doe as a father so that they will show as brothers, does that make sense? The problem is, Mr. Doe is showing as a person with no sources at all. I am a little OCD about making sure everyone has sources Is there anyway else to link the two brothers? michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp attachment: wlEmoticon-smile[1].png
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution
I, also have done this for several years. I took the time to change my 20,000 plus database and changed everyone that I didn't know the name of to husband of or wife of or child of. Then when I find two mary's without last names I know exactly which one to link. So, I do it even when I have a first but no last name or if I just have a last name but no first name. The brackets around them keep these things from printing when sharing information. To me it is the perfect solution! Darlene A DAY HEMMED WITH PRAYER IS LESS LIKELY TO UNRAVEL! “The time to guard against corruption and tyranny is before they shall have gotten a hold of us.” - Thomas Jefferson 1782 The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. – Thomas Jefferson You are never too old to set another goal or to dream a new dream. ~ C.S. Lewis, 1898-1963 Energy and persistence conquer all things. ~ Benjamin Franklin, 1706-1790 If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave. - John Adams, On the Rights of the Colonists, 1772 --- On Fri, 3/25/11, D MG dmg.familyt...@gmail.com wrote: From: D MG dmg.familyt...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Friday, March 25, 2011, 12:26 PM Kathy, That's the method I use, except for one extra addition. When I find a person without knowing their first name in put for e.g., [[husband of John Doe]] The double square brackets indicate that it's private, and won't normally be transferred via GEDCOM or when printing any family sheets, Etc. This then means I can see on screen when I don;t have full details for someone, but I'm not passing on any erroneous to anyone else. Regards, Dermot. -- http://about.me/TheQ47/bio Try out Legacy Family Tree Software today! It's FREE!! http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/?Click=1440 On 25 March 2011 17:00, Kathy Meyer kmeyer2...@gmail.com wrote: I like that method. I think I may use that in the future. I think the description is the point I like. For instance, I might put 'father of John Jones' in the blank, indicating all I know is that John Jones has a father. If I put 'husband of Mary Smith' that would indicate that I know she has a husband. Just because I know one relationship doesn't necessarily mean I know the other relationship and that seems very helpful to me. As it is now, I am having to check notes etc to see why I entered that. I think many of my unknowns are children that are unidentified and 'unknown' might make sense on the parents' family view but on the individual view, it would be better to see 'child of John Mary Jones'. I am reading this thread with interest. Thanks for all of the comments; they are helping me to consider all of the possible advantages and consequences. Kathy On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 2:36 PM, John Carter a...@wizardanswers.com wrote: If I know anything about an individual (i.e, Sarah Jones married Mr. Smith's son) unknown given name is likely to be a relationship. Mr. Smith's given name would be husband of Sarah Jones. I like this for 4 reasons. 1. The field isn't blank. 2. The relationship is obvious in name lists, etc. 3. It's not likely to be misinterpreted by a non-English speaker. 4. It serves as a reminder that I have research to do. I don't like it for 2 reasons. 1. It's ugly 2. It's potentially a space hog in reports. The likes outnumber the don't likes, so it's my current choice. John I would NEVER us a Mr. or Mrs. and a surname. I just use a “?†for either, and if Legacy keeps screaming at me for using it I will use another program. How any of you done a search on “Unknown†, I think I even find one in a censes? Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com http://www.schmeckabernathy.com/ == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == From: William Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:09 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution I always just put Mr. or Mrs. then the surname of the husband for names. For dates, I don’t like putting Unknown for anything especially death dates because when I did it before, having something in that field showed the person was dead and I later discovered they were still living
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution
I like that method. I think I may use that in the future. I think the description is the point I like. For instance, I might put 'father of John Jones' in the blank, indicating all I know is that John Jones has a father. If I put 'husband of Mary Smith' that would indicate that I know she has a husband. Just because I know one relationship doesn't necessarily mean I know the other relationship and that seems very helpful to me. As it is now, I am having to check notes etc to see why I entered that. I think many of my unknowns are children that are unidentified and 'unknown' might make sense on the parents' family view but on the individual view, it would be better to see 'child of John Mary Jones'. I am reading this thread with interest. Thanks for all of the comments; they are helping me to consider all of the possible advantages and consequences. Kathy On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 2:36 PM, John Carter a...@wizardanswers.com wrote: If I know anything about an individual (i.e, Sarah Jones married Mr. Smith's son) unknown given name is likely to be a relationship. Mr. Smith's given name would be husband of Sarah Jones. I like this for 4 reasons. 1. The field isn't blank. 2. The relationship is obvious in name lists, etc. 3. It's not likely to be misinterpreted by a non-English speaker. 4. It serves as a reminder that I have research to do. I don't like it for 2 reasons. 1. It's ugly 2. It's potentially a space hog in reports. The likes outnumber the don't likes, so it's my current choice. John I would NEVER us a Mr. or Mrs. and a surname. I just use a “?†for either, and if Legacy keeps screaming at me for using it I will use another program. How any of you done a search on “Unknown†, I think I even find one in a censes? Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com http://www.schmeckabernathy.com/ http://www.schmeckabernathy.com/ == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == From: William Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:09 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution I always just put Mr. or Mrs. then the surname of the husband for names. For dates, I don’t like putting Unknown for anything especially death dates because when I did it before, having something in that field showed the person was dead and I later discovered they were still living and in their early 100’s. Then when I was posting to my website, this living person’s information went online. I think a blank field sufficiently suggests that I don’t know what it is. Too many Unknowns looks junky to me. Besides, as someone else pointed out, later on a researcher who gets your information will think their surname is Unknown. This could be a surname somewhere. I have some “Awkwards†in my tree so anything is possible. Bill Boswell From: Gene Hutson [mailto:fish...@q.com] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:06 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution If it were me, I’d leave a ‘dummy’ in there, say “Unknown†“Unknown†married abt to preserve the marriage, this also gives me a visual cue that more work is needed. my 2 cents worth. Gene Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution
Kathy, That's the method I use, except for one extra addition. When I find a person without knowing their first name in put for e.g., [[husband of John Doe]] The double square brackets indicate that it's private, and won't normally be transferred via GEDCOM or when printing any family sheets, Etc. This then means I can see on screen when I don;t have full details for someone, but I'm not passing on any erroneous to anyone else. Regards, Dermot. -- http://about.me/TheQ47/bio Try out Legacy Family Tree Software today! It's FREE!! http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/?Click=1440 On 25 March 2011 17:00, Kathy Meyer kmeyer2...@gmail.com wrote: I like that method. I think I may use that in the future. I think the description is the point I like. For instance, I might put 'father of John Jones' in the blank, indicating all I know is that John Jones has a father. If I put 'husband of Mary Smith' that would indicate that I know she has a husband. Just because I know one relationship doesn't necessarily mean I know the other relationship and that seems very helpful to me. As it is now, I am having to check notes etc to see why I entered that. I think many of my unknowns are children that are unidentified and 'unknown' might make sense on the parents' family view but on the individual view, it would be better to see 'child of John Mary Jones'. I am reading this thread with interest. Thanks for all of the comments; they are helping me to consider all of the possible advantages and consequences. Kathy On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 2:36 PM, John Carter a...@wizardanswers.comwrote: If I know anything about an individual (i.e, Sarah Jones married Mr. Smith's son) unknown given name is likely to be a relationship. Mr. Smith's given name would be husband of Sarah Jones. I like this for 4 reasons. 1. The field isn't blank. 2. The relationship is obvious in name lists, etc. 3. It's not likely to be misinterpreted by a non-English speaker. 4. It serves as a reminder that I have research to do. I don't like it for 2 reasons. 1. It's ugly 2. It's potentially a space hog in reports. The likes outnumber the don't likes, so it's my current choice. John I would NEVER us a Mr. or Mrs. and a surname. I just use a “?†for either, and if Legacy keeps screaming at me for using it I will use another program. How any of you done a search on “Unknown†, I think I even find one in a censes? Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com http://www.schmeckabernathy.com/ http://www.schmeckabernathy.com/ == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == From: William Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:09 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution I always just put Mr. or Mrs. then the surname of the husband for names. For dates, I don’t like putting Unknown for anything especially death dates because when I did it before, having something in that field showed the person was dead and I later discovered they were still living and in their early 100’s. Then when I was posting to my website, this living person’s information went online. I think a blank field sufficiently suggests that I don’t know what it is. Too many Unknowns looks junky to me. Besides, as someone else pointed out, later on a researcher who gets your information will think their surname is Unknown. This could be a surname somewhere. I have some “Awkwards†in my tree so anything is possible. Bill Boswell From: Gene Hutson [mailto:fish...@q.com] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:06 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution If it were me, I’d leave a ‘dummy’ in there, say “Unknown†“Unknown†married abt to preserve the marriage, this also gives me a visual cue that more work is needed. my 2 cents worth. Gene Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution
Marge, It is not that descriptive terms are not allowed by Legacy. There is a setting however that warns you when things like that are used. To turn off these standardization warning messages: Go to Options Customize Other Click the Turn on or off Optional Reminder Messages Select the Messages Tab Remove the check mark in the Message to always show Standardization Tips With this turned off you will never be nagged about the entries in your data where you have violated the standardization tips. You can also turn off selected standardization tips To select the standardization tips you do not want to be bothered by: Go to Tools Potential Problems Select the Standardization Tab Here you can select or deselect specific standardization suggestions such as the one about descriptive words in the name field. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. On 24/03/2011 9:03 AM, Marge Counterman wrote: Thank you. Food for thought. But, is not known descriptive? Legacy will not allow Unknown because it is descriptive!! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution
If it were me, I’d leave a ‘dummy’ in there, say “Unknown” “Unknown” married abt to preserve the marriage, this also gives me a visual cue that more work is needed. my 2 cents worth. Gene From: Marge Counterman Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:35 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution Ok, I think I will leave the given name blank as others suggested. But what happens if you know there were two marriages and you only have given data on the second marriage? When I went to remove the undesired Unknown given name of first wife there was no marriage at all for the first marriage. How do you keep the first marriage with no name and no date of marriage and no children? Marge Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution
My approach is this. You have . a second marriage but you don't know who the other spouse was - put not known (all lower case) as a given name . siblings but don't know either of the parents - put surname (same as siblings) for father only, leave mother blank . mother and children but don't know the father - put not known as father's given name so as not to compromise the children's surname . father and children but no mother - put not known as a mother's given name. In the absence of a name Legacy sometimes introduces Unknown, so to distinguish from this my choice is usually not known in the given name field, You can always find these not known people from a given name sort of the name list. Boyd -Original Message- From: Gene Hutson [mailto:fish...@q.com] Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2011 8:06 p.m. To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution If it were me, I'd leave a 'dummy' in there, say Unknown Unknown married abt to preserve the marriage, this also gives me a visual cue that more work is needed. my 2 cents worth. Gene From: Marge Counterman mailto:margecounter...@frontier.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:35 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution Ok, I think I will leave the given name blank as others suggested. But what happens if you know there were two marriages and you only have given data on the second marriage? When I went to remove the undesired Unknown given name of first wife there was no marriage at all for the first marriage. How do you keep the first marriage with no name and no date of marriage and no children? Marge Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution
MessageThank you. Food for thought. But, is not known discriptive? Legacy will not allow Unknown because it is discriptive!! - Original Message - From: Boyd Miller To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:19 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution My approach is this. You have · a second marriage but you don’t know who the other spouse was - put “not known” (all lower case) as a given name · siblings but don’t know either of the parents - put surname (same as siblings) for father only, leave mother blank · mother and children but don’t know the father - put “not known” as father’s given name so as not to compromise the children’s surname · father and children but no mother - put “not known” as a mother’s given name. In the absence of a name Legacy sometimes introduces “Unknown”, so to distinguish from this my choice is usually “not known“ in the given name field, You can always find these not known people from a given name sort of the name list. Boyd -Original Message- From: Gene Hutson [mailto:fish...@q.com] Sent: Thursday, 24 March 2011 8:06 p.m. To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution If it were me, I’d leave a ‘dummy’ in there, say “Unknown” “Unknown” married abt to preserve the marriage, this also gives me a visual cue that more work is needed. my 2 cents worth. Gene From: Marge Counterman Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:35 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution Ok, I think I will leave the given name blank as others suggested. But what happens if you know there were two marriages and you only have given data on the second marriage? When I went to remove the undesired Unknown given name of first wife there was no marriage at all for the first marriage. How do you keep the first marriage with no name and no date of marriage and no children? Marge Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution
I dunno, been doing it that way for years. Gene From: Marge Counterman Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 8:00 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution Legacy won't accept Unknown!! - Original Message - From: Gene Hutson To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:05 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution If it were me, I’d leave a ‘dummy’ in there, say “Unknown” “Unknown” married abt to preserve the marriage, this also gives me a visual cue that more work is needed. my 2 cents worth. Gene From: Marge Counterman Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 1:35 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution Ok, I think I will leave the given name blank as others suggested. But what happens if you know there were two marriages and you only have given data on the second marriage? When I went to remove the undesired Unknown given name of first wife there was no marriage at all for the first marriage. How do you keep the first marriage with no name and no date of marriage and no children? Marge Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution
On 24/03/2011 13:03, Marge Counterman wrote: */Thank you. Food for thought. But, is not known discriptive? Legacy will not allow Unknown because it is discriptive!!/* Legacy certain allows descriptive terms. My database has lots of Unknown as forename and/or surname. Legacy doesn't *like* it at first, but I just tell it to ignore my little foibles and it happily gets on with things and doesn't bother me again. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution
I always just put Mr. or Mrs. then the surname of the husband for names. For dates, I don’t like putting Unknown for anything especially death dates because when I did it before, having something in that field showed the person was dead and I later discovered they were still living and in their early 100’s. Then when I was posting to my website, this living person’s information went online. I think a blank field sufficiently suggests that I don’t know what it is. Too many Unknowns looks junky to me. Besides, as someone else pointed out, later on a researcher who gets your information will think their surname is Unknown. This could be a surname somewhere. I have some “Awkwards” in my tree so anything is possible. Bill Boswell From: Gene Hutson [mailto:fish...@q.com] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:06 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution If it were me, I’d leave a ‘dummy’ in there, say “Unknown” “Unknown” married abt to preserve the marriage, this also gives me a visual cue that more work is needed. my 2 cents worth. Gene Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution
If I know anything about an individual (i.e, Sarah Jones married Mr. Smith's son) unknown given name is likely to be a relationship. Mr. Smith's given name would be husband of Sarah Jones. I like this for 4 reasons. 1. The field isn't blank. 2. The relationship is obvious in name lists, etc. 3. It's not likely to be misinterpreted by a non-English speaker. 4. It serves as a reminder that I have research to do. I don't like it for 2 reasons. 1. It's ugly 2. It's potentially a space hog in reports. The likes outnumber the don't likes, so it's my current choice. John I would NEVER us a Mr. or Mrs. and a surname. I just use a “?†for either, and if Legacy keeps screaming at me for using it I will use another program. How any of you done a search on “Unknownâ€, I think I even find one in a censes? Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com http://www.schmeckabernathy.com/ == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == From: William Boswell [mailto:whbosw...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:09 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution I always just put Mr. or Mrs. then the surname of the husband for names. For dates, I don’t like putting Unknown for anything especially death dates because when I did it before, having something in that field showed the person was dead and I later discovered they were still living and in their early 100’s. Then when I was posting to my website, this living person’s information went online. I think a blank field sufficiently suggests that I don’t know what it is. Too many Unknowns looks junky to me. Besides, as someone else pointed out, later on a researcher who gets your information will think their surname is Unknown. This could be a surname somewhere. I have some “Awkwards†in my tree so anything is possible. Bill Boswell From: Gene Hutson [mailto:fish...@q.com] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:06 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown given name solution If it were me, I’d leave a ‘dummy’ in there, say “Unknown†“Unknown†married abt to preserve the marriage, this also gives me a visual cue that more work is needed. my 2 cents worth. Gene Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Names in Legacy
The easiest way, and it requires no entry of fillers such as ? or firstname lastname, is to use one of the options in the reports. You can choose to have surnames surrounded with /surname/ or have surnames in ALLCAPS. That will quickly differentiate between people with only first names and those with only surnames. To find those options, open any report then click on the report options button. The surname options are on the Format tab of the report options screen. Brian Customer Support Millennia Corporation br...@legacyfamilytree.com http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com We are changing the world of genealogy! When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence. Thanks. On 21/03/2011 11:20 AM, Joshua Crump wrote: I currently have people in my family tree with unknown first names and other people with unknown surnames. When I print a report I can't tell if some names are first names or surnames. What is the best way to enter names in Legacy? Should I put questions marks in the unknown fields or is there an option in Legacy I can turn on to display the names right? Thanks for the help, Joshua Crump j...@joshuacrump.com MCTS Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown Names in Legacy
There are many painfully humorous stories of people spending years searching for their Unk line, when it was actually an abbreviation for Unknown. What if you had an ancestor from Italy, for example, who filled out a tree and used the word sconosciuto for the last name? Few Americans would know that it was the Italian word for unknown. We hope our distant relatives in other countries will someday help us with our common tree. Let's be sure we don't inadvertently throw up a roadblock. Dee -Original Message- From: Bob Bashford [mailto:older...@rochester.rr.com] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 12:02 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Names in Legacy You can try using FirstName or LastName ... makes them searchable, too ... Or UFN and ULN ... Bob On 3/21/2011 11:20 AM, Joshua Crump wrote: I currently have people in my family tree with unknown first names and other people with unknown surnames. When I print a report I can't tell if some names are first names or surnames. What is the best way to enter names in Legacy? Should I put questions marks in the unknown fields or is there an option in Legacy I can turn on to display the names right? Thanks for the help, Joshua Crump j...@joshuacrump.com MCTS Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Unknown Names in Legacy
I currently have people in my family tree with unknown first names and other people with unknown surnames. When I print a report I can't tell if some names are first names or surnames. What is the best way to enter names in Legacy? Should I put questions marks in the unknown fields or is there an option in Legacy I can turn on to display the names right? Thanks for the help, Joshua Crump j...@joshuacrump.com MCTS Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Names in Legacy
Best to leave the names blank. Why? you ask. 1. You can search on missing names by clicking on Search and selecting the Missing Information tab. If you enter *anything* in a data field, then the search won't recognize the information as missing. 2. In Descendant and Ancestor book reports, you can Insert Underlines for Missing: given/surnames or dates/places. Again, if anything is entered in one of those fields, then the program won't recognize the data as missing. Generally it's pretty obvious if a name is a given or surname, although there are some names which could be either. If you go to the Format tab of Report Options, you can select to put slashes around surnames or have the surnames show in uppercase. Either one of those options (I prefer the uppercase surname) will make the surname stand out. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:20 AM, Joshua Crump j...@joshuacrump.com wrote: I currently have people in my family tree with unknown first names and other people with unknown surnames. When I print a report I can't tell if some names are first names or surnames. What is the best way to enter names in Legacy? Should I put questions marks in the unknown fields or is there an option in Legacy I can turn on to display the names right? Thanks for the help, Joshua Crump j...@joshuacrump.com MCTS Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown Names in Legacy
I use ? for all unknown name first names or surnames. This even helps when viewing them in the Name list within the program. Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == -Original Message- From: Joshua Crump [mailto:j...@joshuacrump.com] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 8:21 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Unknown Names in Legacy I currently have people in my family tree with unknown first names and other people with unknown surnames. When I print a report I can't tell if some names are first names or surnames. What is the best way to enter names in Legacy? Should I put questions marks in the unknown fields or is there an option in Legacy I can turn on to display the names right? Thanks for the help, Joshua Crump j...@joshuacrump.com MCTS Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Names in Legacy
You can try using FirstName or LastName ... makes them searchable, too ... Or UFN and ULN ... Bob On 3/21/2011 11:20 AM, Joshua Crump wrote: I currently have people in my family tree with unknown first names and other people with unknown surnames. When I print a report I can't tell if some names are first names or surnames. What is the best way to enter names in Legacy? Should I put questions marks in the unknown fields or is there an option in Legacy I can turn on to display the names right? Thanks for the help, Joshua Crump j...@joshuacrump.com MCTS Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren
Jerry: My approach is to put any identifying information that I use in place of a surname or given name inside [[]]that way it is always visible to me but can be toggled so that it does not print...At 04:58 PM 2/28/2011, you wrote: --- I've seen the references to unknown names and lots of question marks that genealogists have used for years, but I don't know if there is a standard for unknown names Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren
If I don't know a surname I put _ surname. That way if I send it to another researcher they can fill in the blank if they know the information. Melanie Armstrong --- On Tue, 3/1/11, Kathy Shiell-Stokes familyt...@wightman.ca wrote: From: Kathy Shiell-Stokes familyt...@wightman.ca Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 8:46 AM Jerry: My approach is to put any identifying information that I use in place of a surname or given name inside [[]]that way it is always visible to me but can be toggled so that it does not print...At 04:58 PM 2/28/2011, you wrote: --- I've seen the references to unknown names and lots of question marks that genealogists have used for years, but I don't know if there is a standard for unknown names Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren
You have all given me some great ideas on how to handle this. I'm going to play around with your suggestions and see which will work the best for me. I do use the to-do list and research notes quite a bit and for the majority of the tasks this works well for me, but in this particular instance, these unknown's seem to fall in the cracks. Maybe it's the way I use these features. My research time is so limited, sometimes I just need that information to be right where I can see it, or 'slap me in the face', when I look at a family. Again my hats off to all of you on your skills and expert knowledge. Thank you! Sheri Harris Georgia Researching the families of West, Harris, Trimmer, McDonald, Prater, Moose, and more www.westharrisfamily.com _ From: Sheri Harris [mailto:sharr...@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 5:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren Would like your advice on how to handle the following situations. For example, 1) an obituary lists 10 grandchildren and 5 great-grandchildren as survivors, but does not list names. Or, 2) it lists the names of these grandchildren, but it's not obvious as to who their parents are. So far I've just put this information in my notes section referencing my source and adding that to my to-do list but this is not working for me. I want to keep as much information in Legacy as possible so I'm thinking about creating an event called Grandchildren, Survivors or something similar, and listing those named. If I enter these as an event, I can attach certain research files, etc., to that particular event, and notes in the note section not to mention searching for these entries would be easier using events at least for me at the moment. I'm by no means a professional, just an intermediate family researcher, so before I start this, would like to know what other options are out there. Thank you for any help you have. I learn so much from this group! Sheri Harris Georgia Researching the families of West, Harris, Trimmer, McDonald, Prater, Moose, Stockburger, Daugherty, Elliott, Atchley and Haney www.westharrisfamily.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3471 - Release Date: 02/27/11 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 17:40:31 -0500, Sheri Harris sharr...@comcast.net wrote: So far I've just put this information in my notes section referencing my source and adding that to my to-do list but this is not working for me. I essentially do what you are doing. But I don't think you explained why it isn't working. -- Dennis Kowallek (LTools) http://zippersoftware.com/ltools/index.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ltools P.S. Post in plain text if you want me to read it... Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren
On 02/28/2011 11:53 AM, Dennis M. Kowallek wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 17:40:31 -0500, Sheri Harris sharr...@comcast.net wrote: So far I've just put this information in my notes section referencing my source and adding that to my to-do list but this is not working for me. I essentially do what you are doing. But I don't think you explained why it isn't working. --- I've seen the references to unknown names and lots of question marks that genealogists have used for years, but I don't know if there is a standard for unknown names. If there is, I'd like to know what is the standard and why. But I dislike the idea intensely of putting Lastname ?, Unknown Name ? or the many other ways that you see out there, so we developed our own method, which I think has some merit because it can give a hint to find that unknown name because of his/her relationship to another person. For example, on our website, you will see things like: BEEMER, Edna ? (Wife of William) - that means we don't have Edna's last name, but we know she was married to William BEEMER. BEADLE, Given Name ? (Husband of Sarah Ann MADILL) - that means we don't have Mr. Beadle's first name, but we know he was married to Sarah Ann Madill). DOE, Given Name ? (Son #1 of Paul) - that means we don't have a first name for a son of Paul DOE. It might be irregular, but it is a means of putting information about that person directly in the name field, and therefore, it appears in the master name index as a ready-reference for everyone using the site. I just thought I'd share that and see what some of your ideas are. Regards, Jerry / http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren
Jerry: The recommended standard (_Getting It Right_ by Mary H. Slawson) is to leave the field blank if you don't have the data. That, however, is unacceptable to many (most?) researchers so everyone seems to develop their own method--and none of these are universally accepted. The only thing that is strongly discouraged is the use of abbreviations such as Unk, LNU, NMI (Unknown, Last Name Unknown, No Middle Initial) etc. Kirsten -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:59 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren On 02/28/2011 11:53 AM, Dennis M. Kowallek wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 17:40:31 -0500, Sheri Harris sharr...@comcast.net wrote: So far I've just put this information in my notes section referencing my source and adding that to my to-do list but this is not working for me. I essentially do what you are doing. But I don't think you explained why it isn't working. --- I've seen the references to unknown names and lots of question marks that genealogists have used for years, but I don't know if there is a standard for unknown names. If there is, I'd like to know what is the standard and why. But I dislike the idea intensely of putting Lastname ?, Unknown Name ? or the many other ways that you see out there, so we developed our own method, which I think has some merit because it can give a hint to find that unknown name because of his/her relationship to another person. For example, on our website, you will see things like: BEEMER, Edna ? (Wife of William) - that means we don't have Edna's last name, but we know she was married to William BEEMER. BEADLE, Given Name ? (Husband of Sarah Ann MADILL) - that means we don't have Mr. Beadle's first name, but we know he was married to Sarah Ann Madill). DOE, Given Name ? (Son #1 of Paul) - that means we don't have a first name for a son of Paul DOE. It might be irregular, but it is a means of putting information about that person directly in the name field, and therefore, it appears in the master name index as a ready-reference for everyone using the site. I just thought I'd share that and see what some of your ideas are. Regards, Jerry / http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren
I tend to use unknown to me and know only from census it reminds me to look for the information fairly regularly G Eliz On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: Jerry: The recommended standard (_Getting It Right_ by Mary H. Slawson) is to leave the field blank if you don't have the data. That, however, is unacceptable to many (most?) researchers so everyone seems to develop their own method--and none of these are universally accepted. The only thing that is strongly discouraged is the use of abbreviations such as Unk, LNU, NMI (Unknown, Last Name Unknown, No Middle Initial) etc. Kirsten -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:59 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren On 02/28/2011 11:53 AM, Dennis M. Kowallek wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 17:40:31 -0500, Sheri Harris sharr...@comcast.net wrote: So far I've just put this information in my notes section referencing my source and adding that to my to-do list but this is not working for me. I essentially do what you are doing. But I don't think you explained why it isn't working. --- I've seen the references to unknown names and lots of question marks that genealogists have used for years, but I don't know if there is a standard for unknown names. If there is, I'd like to know what is the standard and why. But I dislike the idea intensely of putting Lastname ?, Unknown Name ? or the many other ways that you see out there, so we developed our own method, which I think has some merit because it can give a hint to find that unknown name because of his/her relationship to another person. For example, on our website, you will see things like: BEEMER, Edna ? (Wife of William) - that means we don't have Edna's last name, but we know she was married to William BEEMER. BEADLE, Given Name ? (Husband of Sarah Ann MADILL) - that means we don't have Mr. Beadle's first name, but we know he was married to Sarah Ann Madill). DOE, Given Name ? (Son #1 of Paul) - that means we don't have a first name for a son of Paul DOE. It might be irregular, but it is a means of putting information about that person directly in the name field, and therefore, it appears in the master name index as a ready-reference for everyone using the site. I just thought I'd share that and see what some of your ideas are. Regards, Jerry / http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren
Kirsten, I'm amazed; nay, shocked, to find that for once I am in agreement with 'a standard'! Albeit one that I had never heard of!! Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Kirsten Bowman Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:32 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren Jerry: The recommended standard (_Getting It Right_ by Mary H. Slawson) is to leave the field blank if you don't have the data. That, however, is unacceptable to many (most?) researchers so everyone seems to develop their own method--and none of these are universally accepted. The only thing that is strongly discouraged is the use of abbreviations such as Unk, LNU, NMI (Unknown, Last Name Unknown, No Middle Initial) etc. Kirsten -Original Message- From: Jerry [mailto:jerrysemailgro...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 1:59 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren On 02/28/2011 11:53 AM, Dennis M. Kowallek wrote: On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 17:40:31 -0500, Sheri Harris sharr...@comcast.net wrote: So far I've just put this information in my notes section referencing my source and adding that to my to-do list but this is not working for me. I essentially do what you are doing. But I don't think you explained why it isn't working. --- I've seen the references to unknown names and lots of question marks that genealogists have used for years, but I don't know if there is a standard for unknown names. If there is, I'd like to know what is the standard and why. But I dislike the idea intensely of putting Lastname ?, Unknown Name ? or the many other ways that you see out there, so we developed our own method, which I think has some merit because it can give a hint to find that unknown name because of his/her relationship to another person. For example, on our website, you will see things like: BEEMER, Edna ? (Wife of William) - that means we don't have Edna's last name, but we know she was married to William BEEMER. BEADLE, Given Name ? (Husband of Sarah Ann MADILL) - that means we don't have Mr. Beadle's first name, but we know he was married to Sarah Ann Madill). DOE, Given Name ? (Son #1 of Paul) - that means we don't have a first name for a son of Paul DOE. It might be irregular, but it is a means of putting information about that person directly in the name field, and therefore, it appears in the master name index as a ready-reference for everyone using the site. I just thought I'd share that and see what some of your ideas are. Regards, Jerry / http://www.MerriamFamilyTree.org Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren
Ron: It's truly a red letter day! Kirsten -Original Message- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:17 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren Kirsten, I'm amazed; nay, shocked, to find that for once I am in agreement with 'a standard'! Albeit one that I had never heard of!! Ron Ferguson http://www.fergys.co.uk/ -Original Message- From: Kirsten Bowman Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 11:32 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren Jerry: The recommended standard (_Getting It Right_ by Mary H. Slawson) is to leave the field blank if you don't have the data. That, however, is unacceptable to many (most?) researchers so everyone seems to develop their own method--and none of these are universally accepted. The only thing that is strongly discouraged is the use of abbreviations such as Unk, LNU, NMI (Unknown, Last Name Unknown, No Middle Initial) etc. Kirsten Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren
Would like your advice on how to handle the following situations. For example, 1) an obituary lists 10 grandchildren and 5 great-grandchildren as survivors, but does not list names. Or, 2) it lists the names of these grandchildren, but it's not obvious as to who their parents are. So far I've just put this information in my notes section referencing my source and adding that to my to-do list but this is not working for me. I want to keep as much information in Legacy as possible so I'm thinking about creating an event called Grandchildren, Survivors or something similar, and listing those named. If I enter these as an event, I can attach certain research files, etc., to that particular event, and notes in the note section not to mention searching for these entries would be easier using events at least for me at the moment. I'm by no means a professional, just an intermediate family researcher, so before I start this, would like to know what other options are out there. Thank you for any help you have. I learn so much from this group! Sheri Harris Georgia Researching the families of West, Harris, Trimmer, McDonald, Prater, Moose, Stockburger, Daugherty, Elliott, Atchley and Haney www.westharrisfamily.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren
Would like your advice on how to handle the following situations. For example, 1) an obituary lists 10 grandchildren and 5 great-grandchildren as survivors, but does not list names. Or, 2) it lists the names of these grandchildren, but it's not obvious as to who their parents are. So far I've just put this information in my notes section referencing my source and adding that to my to-do list but this is not working for me. I want to keep as much information in Legacy as possible so I'm thinking about creating an event called Grandchildren, Survivors or something similar, and listing those named. If I enter these as an event, I can attach certain research files, etc., to that particular event, and notes in the note section not to mention searching for these entries would be easier using events at least for me at the moment. I'm by no means a professional, just an intermediate family researcher, so before I start this, would like to know what other options are out there. Thank you for any help you have. I learn so much from this group! Sheri Harris Georgia Researching the families of West, Harris, Trimmer, McDonald, Prater, Moose, Stockburger, Daugherty, Elliott, Atchley and Haney www.westharrisfamily.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren
Sherri - The way I have handle it when I have names (would work without names but I haven't faced that yet) is to enter a child to the grandparents whose first name is Placeholder and is of ? sex, ie, neither male nor female. I then list all the grand children/great grandchildren as appropriate. That way I can continue to see them in a proper place, add data to them as I find it. When I can confirm their parents I just unlink from Placeholder and link to proper parents. When there are no more children under Placeholder, I just delete that one. Works for me. John On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Sheri Harris sharr...@comcast.net wrote: Would like your advice on how to handle the following situations. For example, 1) an obituary lists 10 grandchildren and 5 great-grandchildren as survivors, but does not list names. Or, 2) it lists the names of these grandchildren, but it's not obvious as to who their parents are. So far I've just put this information in my notes section referencing my source and adding that to my to-do list but this is not working for me. I want to keep as much information in Legacy as possible so I'm thinking about creating an event called Grandchildren, Survivors or something similar, and listing those named. If I enter these as an event, I can attach certain research files, etc., to that particular event, and notes in the note section not to mention searching for these entries would be easier using events at least for me at the moment. I'm by no means a professional, just an intermediate family researcher, so before I start this, would like to know what other options are out there. Thank you for any help you have. I learn so much from this group! Sheri Harris Georgia Researching the families of West, Harris, Trimmer, McDonald, Prater, Moose, Stockburger, Daugherty, Elliott, Atchley and Haney www.westharrisfamily.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Genealogy - - - - - it's in my blood! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren
Oh I like that, you can see at a glance that you know nothing G I use place holders a lot but usually don't enter a first name. As of now they will be place holder (surname) Eliz On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 5:52 PM, John Roose jbro...@gmail.com wrote: Sherri - The way I have handle it when I have names (would work without names but I haven't faced that yet) is to enter a child to the grandparents whose first name is Placeholder and is of ? sex, ie, neither male nor female. I then list all the grand children/great grandchildren as appropriate. That way I can continue to see them in a proper place, add data to them as I find it. When I can confirm their parents I just unlink from Placeholder and link to proper parents. When there are no more children under Placeholder, I just delete that one. Works for me. John On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Sheri Harris sharr...@comcast.net wrote: Would like your advice on how to handle the following situations. For example, 1) an obituary lists 10 grandchildren and 5 great-grandchildren as survivors, but does not list names. Or, 2) it lists the names of these grandchildren, but it's not obvious as to who their parents are. So far I've just put this information in my notes section referencing my source and adding that to my to-do list but this is not working for me. I want to keep as much information in Legacy as possible so I'm thinking about creating an event called Grandchildren, Survivors or something similar, and listing those named. If I enter these as an event, I can attach certain research files, etc., to that particular event, and notes in the note section not to mention searching for these entries would be easier using events at least for me at the moment. I'm by no means a professional, just an intermediate family researcher, so before I start this, would like to know what other options are out there. Thank you for any help you have. I learn so much from this group! Sheri Harris Georgia Researching the families of West, Harris, Trimmer, McDonald, Prater, Moose, Stockburger, Daugherty, Elliott, Atchley and Haney www.westharrisfamily.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Genealogy - - - - - it's in my blood! Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren
I create an event for my obituaries and paste the entire obituary in the Notes section of that event. I then enter all of the info from obituary that is certain. The rest, such as the number of grandchildren or great-grandchildren or anything that I cannot figure out due to missing surnames or surnames that don't match the prior generation, I put in the Research Notes to work on as I find the info. You could make a To Do instead of using the Research Notes. There is no way to make up the ratio of grandchildren who were born to which children or which great-grandchildren were born to which grandchildren. To me it's better to have it in the notes (or maybe the To Do) in order to not look back later and try to make the numbers fit in some presumed manner. God bless, Ellen - Original Message - From: Sheri Harris sharr...@comcast.net To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 5:41:00 PM Subject: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren Would like your advice on how to handle the following situations. For example, 1) an obituary lists 10 grandchildren and 5 great-grandchildren as survivors, but does not list names. Or, 2) it lists the names of these grandchildren, but it's not obvious as to who their parents are. So far I've just put this information in my notes section referencing my source and adding that to my to-do list but this is not working for me. I want to keep as much information in Legacy as possible so I'm thinking about creating an event called Grandchildren, Survivors or something similar, and listing those named. If I enter these as an event, I can attach certain research files, etc., to that particular event, and notes in the note section not to mention searching for these entries would be easier using events at least for me at the moment. I'm by no means a professional, just an intermediate family researcher, so before I start this, would like to know what other options are out there. Thank you for any help you have. I learn so much from this group! Sheri Harris Georgia Researching the families of West, Harris, Trimmer, McDonald, Prater, Moose, Stockburger, Daugherty, Elliott, Atchley and Haney www.westharrisfamily.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown Grandchildren/G-Grandchildren
Sheri, Personally, I like your idea of creating an event...and will be going through my files during the coming weeks...decided on Unknown Grandchildren, etc. Since the event will allow me to note the place and date of death, I will be able to pull up all users of that event and note the locations. That way when I find new sources for any given area, it will be easy to see what families to search for... Thanks, Virginia want to keep as much information in Legacy as possible so I'm thinking about creating an event called Grandchildren, Survivors or something similar, and listing those named. If I enter these as an event, I can attach certain research files, etc., to that particular event, and notes in the note section not to mention searching for these entries would be easier using events at least for me at the moment. Sheri Harris Georgia Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] Unknown spouse
I can't remember how to remove an unknown spouse and just leave it blank. I have a woman who had three children to three different men and two of the men's names are known but not the third. How do I link a child to the mother without having an unknown father with a RIN? Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown spouse
There are a few ways. One, if you have a mother with no father attached, and simply create a child, no RIN will be assigned to the unknown father. An MRIN will be, which is unavoidable. Two, if you create a unlinked child and then link it to a mother only, the child will attach to the mother only. Again, if the mother has no existing husband, none wil be created and thus no RIN, but as above, an MRIN will be (mother + unknown). Scott On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Jennifer Crockett jcrock...@optusnet.com.au wrote: I can't remember how to remove an unknown spouse and just leave it blank. I have a woman who had three children to three different men and two of the men's names are known but not the third. How do I link a child to the mother without having an unknown father with a RIN? Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Unknown spouse
After I hit send, I thought of something else you might want to know. Because the children were from different fathers, you may wish to show them as half siblings. To do this you'll have to temporarily create fathers, then delete them. Create father #1 (call him anything) and create child #1. Create father #2 (same deal) and create child #2. Delete each of the fathers. You'll note that the mother will still list two spouses (both unknown) and have two MRINs, but no RINs will be assigned to the non-existant fathers. Depending on which MRIN you show, the other children will appear as ½ siblings. Scott On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Jennifer Crockett jcrock...@optusnet.com.au wrote: I can't remember how to remove an unknown spouse and just leave it blank. I have a woman who had three children to three different men and two of the men's names are known but not the third. How do I link a child to the mother without having an unknown father with a RIN? Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp