Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!
That's a business motive for Millennium. I was speaking from the user point of view. On January 11, 2019 3:06:26 PM "John S. Parker" wrote: > The "bells and whistles" are necessary to keep Legacy going, though. No one > is going to buy a new version every couple of years if it's just merely an > update of the the previous one. That's what the updates between versions are > for. > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 7:01 AM Jeff wrote: > Totally agree. We don't need the recent improves > Legacy is genealogy software. Genealogy software is designed to collect your > data and present it in an easy to view way that points out potential errors > or possibility. If you are computer proficient you could make it yourself > with any off the shelf decent relational database, including Microsoft > Access—which is precisely what Legacy is. I own all the latest versions but > still use version 7.5 which provides all my needs without the needless bells > and whistles. > Forums, Facebook, newslists are just different means of sharing information. > It is best not to duplicate them unnecessarily because it just dilutes the > info. I personally would not use FB especially for genealogy data with its > potential for id fraud. > My 2 cents. > > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!
The "bells and whistles" are necessary to keep Legacy going, though. No one is going to buy a new version every couple of years if it's just merely an update of the the previous one. That's what the updates between versions are for. On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 7:01 AM Jeff wrote: > Totally agree. We don't need the recent improves > Legacy is genealogy software. Genealogy software is designed to collect > your data and present it in an easy to view way that points out potential > errors or possibility. If you are computer proficient you could make it > yourself with any off the shelf decent relational database, including > Microsoft Access—which is precisely what Legacy is. I own all the latest > versions but still use version 7.5 which provides all my needs without the > needless bells and whistles. > Forums, Facebook, newslists are just different means of sharing > information. It is best not to duplicate them unnecessarily because it just > dilutes the info. I personally would not use FB especially for genealogy > data with its potential for id fraud. > My 2 cents. > > > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!
Totally agree. We don't need the recent improves Legacy is genealogy software. Genealogy software is designed to collect your data and present it in an easy to view way that points out potential errors or possibility. If you are computer proficient you could make it yourself with any off the shelf decent relational database, including Microsoft Access—which is precisely what Legacy is. I own all the latest versions but still use version 7.5 which provides all my needs without the needless bells and whistles. Forums, Facebook, newslists are just different means of sharing information. It is best not to duplicate them unnecessarily because it just dilutes the info. I personally would not use FB especially for genealogy data with its potential for id fraud. My 2 cents. On January 11, 2019 2:42:26 AM Jennie Matheson wrote: > I am quite happy with the mailing list (with the exception of all the > whinging) and would not use a forum. > > If I was as dissatisfied with Legacy as the whingers seem to be I would have > forsaken the program and gone elsewhere long ago. The program meets my needs > and admittedly I do not use all the bells and whistles that have been added > to more recent versions. > > IMHO it is possibly the bells and whistles that cause many of the problems - > the more features you add the more things that can go wrong, thus more > problems. Firm believer in the motto "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"!!! (as > in if it works fine which according to the whingers it did before the bells > and whistles started getting added then leave it alone. > > Jennie > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 3:22 PM marion wimsett <2wi...@gmail.com> wrote: > What a truly sensible post! > > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 11:28, Joan Powell via LegacyUserGroup > wrote: > Yes! > > -- Joan Powell > > From:Peter Matthews > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:01 PM > To:Legacy User Group > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !! > > > I'm not sure we actually a forum at all. > > Both mailing lists like this and forums have their advantages and > disadvantages. OK, so our mailing list can't show images, but it has > nevertheless been working very successfully, and simply, for many years, as > have many other "Mailman" mailing lists in use today. > > As someone who has administered several forums a few years ago, and Mailman > mailing lists today, I know that forums are a lot trickier and more work to > administer. What would be in it for Millennia? Only more work setting it up, > administering it, and coping with the many extra complaints which would > surely arise. Yes, a forum or forums would provide extra capabilities, but > would it be worth it? I can feel a saying coming on, but I'll resist. > > Unless this mailing list actually becomes not fit for purpose, I feel we > should stick with it, just get on with it, and thank Legacy/Millennia for > hosting it. It has certainly helped solve a lot of our Legacy problems and > queries. > > Peter > > At 22:41 09-01-19 +, Chris Hill wrote: > >> What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled system >> - HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s style >> email mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal with >> linked posts. >> >> This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used by >> game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available >> software to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more >> functionality. >> >> These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your >> users can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. >> Against those posts other users can create additional posts. >> >> Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make or >> read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; some >> can be limited to developers and testers etc.. >> >> And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system. >> >> Chris >> (From my Android) > > > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-a
Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!
We are lucky that Millennia keep this list functioning given the ratio of LUG to Facebook LUG users. As a Beta tester, and former Millennia employee I know that they use Mailman mailing lists for support to the Beta testers, translation teams and for other purposes so keeping this list for those who want to stay on this mailing list is not a great "extra" burden. I know for me answering questions on this list is only a small part of my day. The traffic on the Beta test list far outnumbers this list and most of my replies are directed there. Creating a forum for LUG would add an extra support burden to manage it as Peter Matthews wrote. I do not see Millennia creating a forum and accepting that extra workload. Brian Kelly On 10-Jan.-19 10:01 p.m., Peter Matthews wrote: I'm not sure we actually a forum at all. Both mailing lists like this and forums have their advantages and disadvantages. OK, so our mailing list can't show images, but it has nevertheless been working very successfully, and simply, for many years, as have many other "Mailman" mailing lists in use today. As someone who has administered several forums a few years ago, and Mailman mailing lists today, I know that forums are a lot trickier and more work to administer. What would be in it for Millennia? Only more work setting it up, administering it, and coping with the many extra complaints which would surely arise. Yes, a forum or forums would provide extra capabilities, but would it be worth it? I can feel a saying coming on, but I'll resist. Unless this mailing list actually becomes not fit for purpose, I feel we should stick with it, just get on with it, and thank Legacy/Millennia for hosting it. It has certainly helped solve a lot of our Legacy problems and queries. Peter At 22:41 09-01-19 +, Chris Hill wrote: What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled system - HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s style email mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal with linked posts. This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used by game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available software to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more functionality. These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your users can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. Against those posts other users can create additional posts. Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make or read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; some can be limited to developers and testers etc.. And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system. Chris (From my Android) -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!
So true that there are only a handful of them, but at times they seem to dominate this list unfortunately. I think most of us want to use this list to seek and offer assistance in using the program. Jennie On Fri, 11 Jan. 2019, 8:37 pm Ronald Bernier Actually, there are only a handful of whiners/complainers - unfortunately, > that handful are the same people over and over again. Very rarely do you > hear constructive criticism from them. I agree, if they are as > dissasisfied with the program as their constant griping indicates they are, > then the sensible thing to do is either write/create their own program, or > find another commercial program that suits their needs. I seriously doubt > either will happen as there is no program that they will truly be > happy/satisfied with. > > Ronald Bernier > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 2:42 AM Jennie Matheson > wrote: > >> I am quite happy with the mailing list (with the exception of all the >> whinging) and would not use a forum. >> >> If I was as dissatisfied with Legacy as the whingers seem to be I would >> have forsaken the program and gone elsewhere long ago. The program meets my >> needs and admittedly I do not use all the bells and whistles that have been >> added to more recent versions. >> >> IMHO it is possibly the bells and whistles that cause many of the >> problems - the more features you add the more things that can go wrong, >> thus more problems. Firm believer in the motto "if it ain't broke, don't >> fix it"!!! (as in if it works fine which according to the whingers it did >> before the bells and whistles started getting added then leave it alone. >> >> Jennie >> >> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 3:22 PM marion wimsett <2wi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> What a truly sensible post! >>> >>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 11:28, Joan Powell via LegacyUserGroup < >>> legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Yes! >>>> >>>> -- Joan Powell >>>> >>>> *From:* Peter Matthews >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:01 PM >>>> *To:* Legacy User Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !! >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not sure we actually a forum at all. >>>> >>>> Both mailing lists like this and forums have their advantages and >>>> disadvantages. OK, so our mailing list can't show images, but it has >>>> nevertheless been working very successfully, and simply, for many years, as >>>> have many other "Mailman" mailing lists in use today. >>>> >>>> As someone who has administered several forums a few years ago, and >>>> Mailman mailing lists today, I know that forums are a lot trickier and more >>>> work to administer. What would be in it for Millennia? Only more work >>>> setting it up, administering it, and coping with the many extra complaints >>>> which would surely arise. Yes, a forum or forums would provide extra >>>> capabilities, but would it be worth it? I can feel a saying coming on, but >>>> I'll resist. >>>> >>>> Unless this mailing list actually becomes not fit for purpose, I feel >>>> we should stick with it, just get on with it, and thank Legacy/Millennia >>>> for hosting it. It has certainly helped solve a lot of our Legacy problems >>>> and queries. >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> At 22:41 09-01-19 +, Chris Hill wrote: >>>> >>>> What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled >>>> system - HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s >>>> style email mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal >>>> with linked posts. >>>> >>>> This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums >>>> used by game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely >>>> available software to provide these systems, which can be developed to >>>> provide more functionality. >>>> >>>> These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which >>>> your users can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. >>>> Against those posts other users can create additional posts. >>>> >>>> Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can >>>> make or read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to >>>> anyone; some
Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!
Actually, there are only a handful of whiners/complainers - unfortunately, that handful are the same people over and over again. Very rarely do you hear constructive criticism from them. I agree, if they are as dissasisfied with the program as their constant griping indicates they are, then the sensible thing to do is either write/create their own program, or find another commercial program that suits their needs. I seriously doubt either will happen as there is no program that they will truly be happy/satisfied with. Ronald Bernier On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 2:42 AM Jennie Matheson wrote: > I am quite happy with the mailing list (with the exception of all the > whinging) and would not use a forum. > > If I was as dissatisfied with Legacy as the whingers seem to be I would > have forsaken the program and gone elsewhere long ago. The program meets my > needs and admittedly I do not use all the bells and whistles that have been > added to more recent versions. > > IMHO it is possibly the bells and whistles that cause many of the problems > - the more features you add the more things that can go wrong, thus more > problems. Firm believer in the motto "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"!!! > (as in if it works fine which according to the whingers it did before the > bells and whistles started getting added then leave it alone. > > Jennie > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 3:22 PM marion wimsett <2wi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> What a truly sensible post! >> >> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 11:28, Joan Powell via LegacyUserGroup < >> legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> wrote: >> >>> Yes! >>> >>> -- Joan Powell >>> >>> *From:* Peter Matthews >>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:01 PM >>> *To:* Legacy User Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !! >>> >>> >>> I'm not sure we actually a forum at all. >>> >>> Both mailing lists like this and forums have their advantages and >>> disadvantages. OK, so our mailing list can't show images, but it has >>> nevertheless been working very successfully, and simply, for many years, as >>> have many other "Mailman" mailing lists in use today. >>> >>> As someone who has administered several forums a few years ago, and >>> Mailman mailing lists today, I know that forums are a lot trickier and more >>> work to administer. What would be in it for Millennia? Only more work >>> setting it up, administering it, and coping with the many extra complaints >>> which would surely arise. Yes, a forum or forums would provide extra >>> capabilities, but would it be worth it? I can feel a saying coming on, but >>> I'll resist. >>> >>> Unless this mailing list actually becomes not fit for purpose, I feel we >>> should stick with it, just get on with it, and thank Legacy/Millennia for >>> hosting it. It has certainly helped solve a lot of our Legacy problems and >>> queries. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> At 22:41 09-01-19 +, Chris Hill wrote: >>> >>> What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled >>> system - HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s >>> style email mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal >>> with linked posts. >>> >>> This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums >>> used by game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely >>> available software to provide these systems, which can be developed to >>> provide more functionality. >>> >>> These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your >>> users can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. >>> Against those posts other users can create additional posts. >>> >>> Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can >>> make or read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to >>> anyone; some can be limited to developers and testers etc.. >>> >>> And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system. >>> >>> Chris >>> (From my Android) >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> >>> LegacyUserGroup mailing list >>> LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com >>> To manage your subscription and unsubscribe >>> http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com >>> Archives at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacy
Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!
I am quite happy with the mailing list (with the exception of all the whinging) and would not use a forum. If I was as dissatisfied with Legacy as the whingers seem to be I would have forsaken the program and gone elsewhere long ago. The program meets my needs and admittedly I do not use all the bells and whistles that have been added to more recent versions. IMHO it is possibly the bells and whistles that cause many of the problems - the more features you add the more things that can go wrong, thus more problems. Firm believer in the motto "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"!!! (as in if it works fine which according to the whingers it did before the bells and whistles started getting added then leave it alone. Jennie On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 3:22 PM marion wimsett <2wi...@gmail.com> wrote: > What a truly sensible post! > > On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 11:28, Joan Powell via LegacyUserGroup < > legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> wrote: > >> Yes! >> >> -- Joan Powell >> >> *From:* Peter Matthews >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:01 PM >> *To:* Legacy User Group >> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !! >> >> >> I'm not sure we actually a forum at all. >> >> Both mailing lists like this and forums have their advantages and >> disadvantages. OK, so our mailing list can't show images, but it has >> nevertheless been working very successfully, and simply, for many years, as >> have many other "Mailman" mailing lists in use today. >> >> As someone who has administered several forums a few years ago, and >> Mailman mailing lists today, I know that forums are a lot trickier and more >> work to administer. What would be in it for Millennia? Only more work >> setting it up, administering it, and coping with the many extra complaints >> which would surely arise. Yes, a forum or forums would provide extra >> capabilities, but would it be worth it? I can feel a saying coming on, but >> I'll resist. >> >> Unless this mailing list actually becomes not fit for purpose, I feel we >> should stick with it, just get on with it, and thank Legacy/Millennia for >> hosting it. It has certainly helped solve a lot of our Legacy problems and >> queries. >> >> Peter >> >> At 22:41 09-01-19 +, Chris Hill wrote: >> >> What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled >> system - HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s >> style email mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal >> with linked posts. >> >> This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used >> by game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available >> software to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more >> functionality. >> >> These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your >> users can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. >> Against those posts other users can create additional posts. >> >> Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make >> or read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; >> some can be limited to developers and testers etc.. >> >> And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system. >> >> Chris >> (From my Android) >> >> -- >> -- >> >> LegacyUserGroup mailing list >> LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com >> To manage your subscription and unsubscribe >> http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com >> Archives at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >> >> -- >> >> LegacyUserGroup mailing list >> LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com >> To manage your subscription and unsubscribe >> http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com >> Archives at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ >> > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!
> -- Original Message -- > From: yp0uzqxoy...@opayq.com > Date: January 10, 2019 at 6:03 PM > > > We may be happier elsewhere. Do you have any suggestions? > > > > In keeping with your comment, next time your computer slows to a crawl, rather > than buying a new one, build one yourself… I do. > > > > Mark > > > > > > / > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!
What a truly sensible post! On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 11:28, Joan Powell via LegacyUserGroup < legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> wrote: > Yes! > > -- Joan Powell > > *From:* Peter Matthews > *Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:01 PM > *To:* Legacy User Group > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !! > > > I'm not sure we actually a forum at all. > > Both mailing lists like this and forums have their advantages and > disadvantages. OK, so our mailing list can't show images, but it has > nevertheless been working very successfully, and simply, for many years, as > have many other "Mailman" mailing lists in use today. > > As someone who has administered several forums a few years ago, and > Mailman mailing lists today, I know that forums are a lot trickier and more > work to administer. What would be in it for Millennia? Only more work > setting it up, administering it, and coping with the many extra complaints > which would surely arise. Yes, a forum or forums would provide extra > capabilities, but would it be worth it? I can feel a saying coming on, but > I'll resist. > > Unless this mailing list actually becomes not fit for purpose, I feel we > should stick with it, just get on with it, and thank Legacy/Millennia for > hosting it. It has certainly helped solve a lot of our Legacy problems and > queries. > > Peter > > At 22:41 09-01-19 +, Chris Hill wrote: > > What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled > system - HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s > style email mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal > with linked posts. > > This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used > by game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available > software to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more > functionality. > > These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your > users can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. > Against those posts other users can create additional posts. > > Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make > or read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; > some can be limited to developers and testers etc.. > > And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system. > > Chris > (From my Android) > > -- > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!
Yes! -- Joan Powell From: Peter Matthews Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:01 PM To: Legacy User Group Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !! I'm not sure we actually a forum at all. Both mailing lists like this and forums have their advantages and disadvantages. OK, so our mailing list can't show images, but it has nevertheless been working very successfully, and simply, for many years, as have many other "Mailman" mailing lists in use today. As someone who has administered several forums a few years ago, and Mailman mailing lists today, I know that forums are a lot trickier and more work to administer. What would be in it for Millennia? Only more work setting it up, administering it, and coping with the many extra complaints which would surely arise. Yes, a forum or forums would provide extra capabilities, but would it be worth it? I can feel a saying coming on, but I'll resist. Unless this mailing list actually becomes not fit for purpose, I feel we should stick with it, just get on with it, and thank Legacy/Millennia for hosting it. It has certainly helped solve a lot of our Legacy problems and queries. Peter At 22:41 09-01-19 +, Chris Hill wrote: What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled system - HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s style email mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal with linked posts. This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used by game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available software to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more functionality. These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your users can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. Against those posts other users can create additional posts. Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make or read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; some can be limited to developers and testers etc.. And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system. Chris (From my Android) -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!
I'm not sure we actually a forum at all. Both mailing lists like this and forums have their advantages and disadvantages. OK, so our mailing list can't show images, but it has nevertheless been working very successfully, and simply, for many years, as have many other "Mailman" mailing lists in use today. As someone who has administered several forums a few years ago, and Mailman mailing lists today, I know that forums are a lot trickier and more work to administer. What would be in it for Millennia? Only more work setting it up, administering it, and coping with the many extra complaints which would surely arise. Yes, a forum or forums would provide extra capabilities, but would it be worth it? I can feel a saying coming on, but I'll resist. Unless this mailing list actually becomes not fit for purpose, I feel we should stick with it, just get on with it, and thank Legacy/Millennia for hosting it. It has certainly helped solve a lot of our Legacy problems and queries. Peter At 22:41 09-01-19 +, Chris Hill wrote: What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled system - HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s style email mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal with linked posts. This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used by game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available software to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more functionality. These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your users can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. Against those posts other users can create additional posts. Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make or read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; some can be limited to developers and testers etc.. And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system. Chris (From my Android) -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!
No, I am perfectly happy - I work on the premise of the old saying “ if you don’t like the heat get out of the kitchen”. Why would I bother to build a computer when there are one or two brilliant ones on the market, dogs and barking comes to mind there :) On Fri, 11 Jan 2019 at 7:07 am, wrote: > *We may be happier elsewhere. Do you have any suggestions?* > > > > *In keeping with your comment, next time your computer slows to a crawl, > rather than buying a new one, build one yourself… I do.* > > > > *Mark* > > > > > > / > > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!
We may be happier elsewhere. Do you have any suggestions? In keeping with your comment, next time your computer slows to a crawl, rather than buying a new one, build one yourself… I do. Mark / -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
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Amen Chris! This is so antiquated, it almost reminds me of the old Bulletin Boards Systems. Ugh! Mark What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled system - HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s style email mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal with linked posts. This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used by game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available software to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more functionality. These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your users can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. Against those posts other users can create additional posts. Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make or read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; some can be limited to developers and testers etc.. And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system. Chris (From my Android) -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
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This is not the first time this opinion has been shared. I have been told this over and over. For those of us that truly love(ed) this program and have been with them for awhile, LOATHE the idea of it being changed into some sort of monstrosity. We that complain the most remember the good old days of Legacy, when it truly did what it was supposed to do when you wanted it to. I get the sense that there’s more at play here than what meets the eye. I can also sense the frustration on the other side of the aisle, there’s more going on than what we see. Even the tone of those helping has changed. I think what we are seeing is the evolution of a hybrid that no one saw coming, and now that it’s here, no one knows how to contain it. “let’s take the best from this, add the best from that, mix in a little of this over here, now look what we have”. I could be completely off base here, but when you’re told over an extended period of time, “this is in progress, or this is due to be fixed” and then leave it open ended like that… if the communication is this bad out here, imagine what it must be like behind the doors we are not allowed into. If you yell at a child long enough, you lose your audience, they will either turn away, turn the channel or leave the room. There are better ways to handle it. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: marion wimsett Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 6:17 AM To: Legacy User Group Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !! One is strongly tempted to suggest that those who are complaining about the system would be happier elsewhere, or perhaps they should go off and make their own programme. All of this posted with courtesy and respecting the Internet rules of no words in capitals. On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 3:32 pm, CE WOOD wrote: AMEN! CE From: LegacyUserGroup on behalf of Chris Hill Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 2:41 PM To: Legacy User Group Subject: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !! What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled system - HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s style email mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal with linked posts. This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used by game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available software to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more functionality. These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your users can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. Against those posts other users can create additional posts. Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make or read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; some can be limited to developers and testers etc.. And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system. Chris (From my Android) -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!
One is strongly tempted to suggest that those who are complaining about the system would be happier elsewhere, or perhaps they should go off and make their own programme. All of this posted with courtesy and respecting the Internet rules of no words in capitals. On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 3:32 pm, CE WOOD wrote: > AMEN! > > CE > > > > -- > *From:* LegacyUserGroup on > behalf of Chris Hill > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 9, 2019 2:41 PM > *To:* Legacy User Group > *Subject:* [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !! > > What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled > system - HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s > style email mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal > with linked posts. > > This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used > by game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available > software to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more > functionality. > > These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your > users can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. > Against those posts other users can create additional posts. > > Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make > or read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; > some can be limited to developers and testers etc.. > > And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system. > > Chris > (From my Android) > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!
AMEN! CE From: LegacyUserGroup on behalf of Chris Hill Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 2:41 PM To: Legacy User Group Subject: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !! What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled system - HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s style email mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal with linked posts. This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used by game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available software to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more functionality. These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your users can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. Against those posts other users can create additional posts. Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make or read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; some can be limited to developers and testers etc.. And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system. Chris (From my Android) -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
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Amen! And I AM shouting! CE From: LegacyUserGroup on behalf of Gene Wheeler Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 4:06 PM To: Legacy User Group Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !! Well said, Chris! We can only hope. Gene On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 5:47 PM Chris Hill mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>> wrote: What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled system - HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s style email mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal with linked posts. This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used by game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available software to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more functionality. These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your users can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. Against those posts other users can create additional posts. Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make or read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; some can be limited to developers and testers etc.. And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system. Chris (From my Android) -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com<mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com> To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flegacyusers.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Flegacyusergroup_legacyusers.com=02%7C01%7C%7C5d8e49e67dfc498dd54a08d676905937%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636826759668734481=2qQigaSlEv5rt7EIJa55JsvF2dzulpuj5y1KDP3hMbY%3D=0> Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/<https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Flegacyusergroup%40legacyusers.com%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C5d8e49e67dfc498dd54a08d676905937%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636826759668734481=%2FLCytx85HHGcTZHoRvkgrIlg4WfsS%2FcIjIdF%2F%2Bs2%2Be0%3D=0> -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
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Well said, Chris! We can only hope. Gene On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 5:47 PM Chris Hill wrote: > What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled > system - HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s > style email mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal > with linked posts. > > This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used > by game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available > software to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more > functionality. > > These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your > users can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. > Against those posts other users can create additional posts. > > Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make > or read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; > some can be limited to developers and testers etc.. > > And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system. > > Chris > (From my Android) > -- > > LegacyUserGroup mailing list > LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com > To manage your subscription and unsubscribe > http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com > Archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ > -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
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While a forum is good for all the reasons stated, I think the restriction on pictures/images/attachments to email posts in the current list is a major limitation – purportedly because some people have limited bandwidth/quota/allowance with their internet contract. I can’t believe that is a real problem with more than a handful of people. Perhaps some of those (very few, I would think) do have Microsoft Outlook or other mail software, in which it is possible to configure so that attachments do NOT automatically download. I think it is a ridiculous requested restriction – the occasional picture saves many words and misunderstandings. Ian Thomas Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
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Hello Chris, Please forgive me but did I miss a notification stating that ownership of the programme, “Legacy (product of Millenia)” had reverted from “My Heritage” back to ownership and control of “Millenia” ?. If not perhaps your remark/s may be better directed to My Heritage as a suggestion. Yours in research & SHARING Reg SHERLOCK (no I am not shouting my surname just how to write it.) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Hill Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2019 8:45 AM To: Legacy User Group Subject: [LegacyUG] We need a Forum !! What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled system - HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s style email mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal with linked posts. This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used by game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available software to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more functionality. These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your users can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. Against those posts other users can create additional posts. Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make or read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; some can be limited to developers and testers etc.. And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system. Chris (From my Android) -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
[LegacyUG] We need a Forum !!
What Legacy and Millennia should be building is a single forum styled system - HTML web based system to replace the current systems of a 1990s style email mail list and a group within Facebook which cannot easily deal with linked posts. This is the way that virtually all other systems use; look at forums used by game developers, vehicle owner groups etc. There is freely available software to provide these systems, which can be developed to provide more functionality. These systems enable you to create multiple sub-forums within which your users can create posts, to include text and embedded files and images. Against those posts other users can create additional posts. Management of users is easy to ensure that only registered users can make or read posts; that some sub-forums or posts can be read-only to anyone; some can be limited to developers and testers etc.. And the existing mail and FB lists can be merged into the new system. Chris (From my Android) -- LegacyUserGroup mailing list LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com To manage your subscription and unsubscribe http://legacyusers.com/mailman/listinfo/legacyusergroup_legacyusers.com Archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/
