Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
On 2012/09/16 19:40, Michele Lewis wrote: If attachments are a no-no and you are supposed to send messages in plain text isn't there some sort of setting on the Legacy end that would prevent attachments and convert HTML/RTF messages to plain text? Didn't it used to be that way at one time? No, that's your responsibility. I use Thunderbird and I can set it so that every message I send to the user group goes as plain text. I can also set it so that for another address messages go as HTML. Any web-based mail program/service (Gmail) wants you to use HTML almost exclusively and makes it awkward to do otherwise. I have a gmail address but I don't use Gmail via any browser. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
On 2012/09/17 17:07, Tessa Keough wrote: Has anyone at Legacy considered simplemachines.org (a free forum software) for use with this forum. The Guild of One-Name Studies recently added this type of forum to its member services/resources. It is a clean system with a topic-based layout. Members of the forum are able to post by topic, attach videos, photos, screen captures, and files. These are on-line so they do not download unless you choose to download them. It may be something to consider as forums evolve over time. Additionally you would not need to have posts in your email - just sign in to the forum and look for the topics that interest you. That is a web-based thing. This is email-based. Different animals. When you go web-based, you almost force the less-knowledgeable users to use a web browser. For those users where their ISP deals are capped by cost or volume, this is not very useful. Yes, some of these open forum engines have an email facility, buts that's only for receiving notifications of messages being posted to topics that the user has previously expressed an interest in. Posting and replying still requires logging on to the forum site, with all the attendant overheads of data traffic. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Very simple to fix! In receivers email program is to go to properties for the addressee (ie the usergroup) and check the box to send only in plain text, seems to work for me! Russ -Original Message- From: Ron Bernier Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 11:30 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text Quite simply, because there are those who refuse to follow rules/requests. I will repeat what others have said previously, if a user refuses to adhere to the rules/requests, they should be given one warning. If the user repeats the violation they should be removed from the list for a predetermined amount of time - I.E. - 1st violation 1 month suspension, 2nd violation 3 month suspension, 3rd violation permanent removal from the list. Unfortunately, the Millennia folks would never implement such a system because they wouldn't want to upset any of their customers. There are several subscribers to this list who have repeatedly made it clear they do not care what the rules of the list are. They insis that they will send their emails to the list in any format that they want to. Apparently the Millennia feel that it is acceptable for the violators to cause potential undue hardship to those who are on dialup and/or risk sending a hidden virus/malware to other subscribers of the list. Ron Bernier, Woonsocket, RI -- Original Message -- From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Sent: 9/17/2012 10:48:26 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text Why should Legacy have to purchase software and increase cost when people should be expected to follow rules/requests. Rich in LA CA --- On Sun, 9/16/12, Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net wrote: From: Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 11:22 AM Michelle, Legacy support has always maintained that there software cannot block attachments. They always relied on users to refrain from sending attachments and/or HTML messages. Finally thy gave up on saying no HTML because some users simply refused to follow the guidelines. At least, they haven't caved on attachments even though some users ignore that also. It would be really nice if they would look into software that can block/reject messages sent to the list in HTML and/or attachments, but it doesn't look like that will ever happen. Ron Bernier Sent from my iPad -- Russell G. Strong P. S. Check out Legacy Family Tree today! This full featured genealogy program can be downloaded FREE at http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/Articles.asp?ID=133Click=1114 Oh so many branches and not enough time to check out all the roots!!!. Check out my Genealogy Pages at http://www.rgstrong-genes.com . Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Might I add to those that use gmail (my genealogy email is from the gmail server) that there are instructions on gmail how to set up your email client to retrieve those emails. My email client is Windows Live Mail and I have no problem setting up this group email to send only plain-text). And may I add that my main email account is on hotmail and also have set up my email client to download those messages also. Russ -Original Message- From: Mike Fry Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 4:05 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text On 2012/09/16 19:40, Michele Lewis wrote: If attachments are a no-no and you are supposed to send messages in plain text isn't there some sort of setting on the Legacy end that would prevent attachments and convert HTML/RTF messages to plain text? Didn't it used to be that way at one time? No, that's your responsibility. I use Thunderbird and I can set it so that every message I send to the user group goes as plain text. I can also set it so that for another address messages go as HTML. Any web-based mail program/service (Gmail) wants you to use HTML almost exclusively and makes it awkward to do otherwise. I have a gmail address but I don't use Gmail via any browser. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) -- Russell G. Strong P. S. Check out Legacy Family Tree today! This full featured genealogy program can be downloaded FREE at http://www.legacyfamilytreestore.com/Articles.asp?ID=133Click=1114 Oh so many branches and not enough time to check out all the roots!!!. Check out my Genealogy Pages at http://www.rgstrong-genes.com . Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Gmail allows you to use plain text. At the upper left of your text box is a link to send in text or 'rich formatting'. Brian No, that's your responsibility. I use Thunderbird and I can set it so that every message I send to the user group goes as plain text. I can also set it so that for another address messages go as HTML. Any web-based mail program/service (Gmail) wants you to use HTML almost exclusively and makes it awkward to do otherwise. I have a gmail address but I don't use Gmail via any browser. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
On 2012/09/18 18:44, Brian Johnson wrote: Gmail allows you to use plain text. At the upper left of your text box is a link to send in text or 'rich formatting'. True. But that's for a single message. The user has to remember to do that every time they post to the User Group. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
No, it remains at whatever the last instance was. Mine has always been set to plain text and has never changed. Brian On 18 September 2012 12:47, Mike Fry emjay...@gmail.com wrote: On 2012/09/18 18:44, Brian Johnson wrote: Gmail allows you to use plain text. At the upper left of your text box is a link to send in text or 'rich formatting'. True. But that's for a single message. The user has to remember to do that every time they post to the User Group. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg (g) Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
On 9/18/2012 12:39 PM, Brian Johnson wrote: No, it remains at whatever the last instance was. Mine has always been set to plain text and has never changed. Brian How about this thread be DROPPED ! -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Second the motion! ~Don On Sep 18, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com wrote: On 9/18/2012 12:39 PM, Brian Johnson wrote: No, it remains at whatever the last instance was. Mine has always been set to plain text and has never changed. Brian How about this thread be DROPPED ! -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Michele, I'm very happy that the team is trying to get emails to be only sent in plain text as they are smaller and the security is higher. Sherry sent me a while ago some webpages where one can securly upload images free of charge, which only that person can download. If I remember right you have to send the email address of the recieving the data. I'd have to search for a while to find that email but perhaps Sherry can do that quicker. Bernhard -Original Message- From: Michele Lewis [mailto:ancestor...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text If attachments are a no-no and you are supposed to send messages in plain text isn't there some sort of setting on the Legacy end that would prevent attachments and convert HTML/RTF messages to plain text? Didn't it used to be that way at one time? Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Jackie, thinking of the about the other over 18 million in the states still having your old download problems. Why are you using HTML text instead of plain text as a plain text email can be downloaded faster. Bernhard From: Jackie King [mailto:jskin...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:04 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text Let me make it very easy because I used to be on the other end - There are still some 19 million Internet users (recent survey) in the United States that cannot get high speed internet access. For them, attachments can be a real pain. I remember one night on another list waiting almost a half hour for a message with an attachment to download - and of course, on my service, I had no other way to get to other messages until that downloaded. For many its not just a matter of what we would like to see. For some it is also a matter of fees - there are some people who still get charged for the amount of bandwidth downloaded. For them it can be a pocketbooks issue. It's not a matter of trying to exclude likes - it is a matter of trying to include folks. I now have my high-speed, but only because I moved. Jackie On 9/16/2012 2:46 PM, RHS Consulting wrote: Interesting opinions. Looks like the plain-texters have it. But wait a minute. There are many of us out there that detest plain text in body or attachment, and I happen to be one of them. To force us out of the picture smacks of unilatetral bullyism, and we wouldn't want that, would we? Stick to what you prefer and like best.  Richard / HTML Always   - Original Message - From: Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com mailto:spa...@xmission.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text On 9/16/2012 11:40 AM, Michele Lewis wrote: If attachments are a no-no and you are supposed to send messages in plain text isn't there some sort of setting on the Legacy end that would prevent attachments and convert HTML/RTF messages to plain text? Nope   Didn't it used to be that way at one time? Nope -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree ) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com ). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Richard, just as an example for not using non plain text. Look at your email. If you had used plain text you wouldn't have your formating problem. Two different font sizes in one email. Bernhard _ From: RHS Consulting [mailto:rhsconsult...@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:46 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text Interesting opinions. Looks like the plain-texters have it. But wait a minute. There are many of us out there that detest plain text in body or attachment, and I happen to be one of them. To force us out of the picture smacks of unilatetral bullyism, and we wouldn't want that, would we? Stick to what you prefer and like best. Richard / HTML Always - Original Message - From: Tim Rosenlof mailto:spa...@xmission.com spa...@xmission.com To: mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text On 9/16/2012 11:40 AM, Michele Lewis wrote: If attachments are a no-no and you are supposed to send messages in plain text isn't there some sort of setting on the Legacy end that would prevent attachments and convert HTML/RTF messages to plain text? Nope Didn't it used to be that way at one time? Nope -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
I can't remember which site it was but Dropbox and SkyDrive both allow you to upload files to a Public folder where others can view the files. There are plenty of file sharing sites. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Bernhard Scholz scholz-c...@gmx.de wrote: Michele, I'm very happy that the team is trying to get emails to be only sent in plain text as they are smaller and the security is higher. Sherry sent me a while ago some webpages where one can securly upload images free of charge, which only that person can download. If I remember right you have to send the email address of the recieving the data. I'd have to search for a while to find that email but perhaps Sherry can do that quicker. Bernhard Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Lloyd, the question of plain text or not is not a Legacy problem but of the software one is using to write/answer the email. If this job could/would be done on Legacy's email servers it could mean that an email sent in the wrong format eg., HTML would be rejected and the the sender of that email would get an email that it was rejected due to the wrong format. The time it takes to get this answer could take over one day. Thus the sent information could be outdated. The best is to change the settings in the email tool one is using. As there are too many options I can't give one. I use Outlook 2k3 and have it set to send in plain text. Answering I change the format to plain text. Bernhard -Original Message- From: Lloyd Hite [mailto:lhite3...@juno.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:23 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text On 9/16/2012 4:30 PM, Ron Bernier wrote: forced to have to put our anti-virus software to the test. Unfortunately, every time this discussion arises, there are certain individuals who basically respond that they will post in whatever format that they choose to post in and they display a total lack of concern/regard for everyone else on the list. Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy should make a ruling of one warning and then next time booted off the list for a couple of months. I wonder if these HTML lovers have tried this with the rootsweb lists. Lloyd 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5056513b8101b5139040est02vuc Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
On 9/18/2012 3:08 PM, Bernhard Scholz wrote: Jackie, thinking of the about the other over 18 million in the states still having your old download problems. Barney, Would you like some cheese to go along with your whine ? -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Ron, the question in the first email was about the possibility to attach an image or to use plain text or not. Thanks for checking RootsWeb. The scrubbing isn't the best sollution as information could be lost. Would you like to rewrite your emails several times until it fit to the filters. I don't. In my opinion it's not Legacy's job to check if something is insulting. That's the problem of the writer and the reader. Why is it Unfortunately Millennia doesn't want to offend customers by having email rejected. If they did it we would be a situation like we have in many countries. As an example I'm thinking of eg. the old GDR. Everybody not thinking like them was rejected. Bernhard -Original Message- From: Ron Bernier [mailto:ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:35 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text Lloyd, It doesn't happen with RootsWeb. Attachments are blocked and the email is rejected. If a message is not plain text, the RootsWeb server attempts to strip out the HTML code and then posts the plain text. If the message can't be scrubbed it is rejected. A very simple solution. You have to remember, RootsWeb lists are a convenience for people to communicate. RootsWeb isn't concerned about insulting anyone for rejecting the person's email. On the other hand, the Legacy list serves two purposes - first, it allows users to exchange ideas. Second, it is also used for users (customers) to communicate with support via the list. Unfortunately Millennia doesn't want to offend customers by having email rejected, so the have made a conscious decision to use email software that cannot be configured to block attachments and HTML messages. Ron Bernier Sent from my iPad On Sep 16, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Lloyd Hite lhite3...@juno.com wrote: On 9/16/2012 4:30 PM, Ron Bernier wrote: forced to have to put our anti-virus software to the test. Unfortunately, every time this discussion arises, there are certain individuals who basically respond that they will post in whatever format that they choose to post in and they display a total lack of concern/regard for everyone else on the list. Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy should make a ruling of one warning and then next time booted off the list for a couple of months. I wonder if these HTML lovers have tried this with the rootsweb lists. Lloyd 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5056513b8101b5139040est02vuc Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Rich, not where I'm living. When was that. It sounds like conditions we had about 10 years ago. If I could afford it I coud have hade about 3 years ago 16Gb DSL. Bernhard From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES [mailto:fourpa...@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 4:59 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text Jackie, the last time we moved from a no internet neighborhood, and had to bypass nice houses without connections. Luckily we looked until we found a place. It is not as universal as some would think. This is in USA. Same problem elsewhere. Rich in LA CA --- On Sun, 9/16/12, Jackie King jskin...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jackie King jskin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 1:04 PM Let me make it very easy because I used to be on the other end - There are still some 19 million Internet users (recent survey) in the United States that cannot get high speed internet access. For them, attachments can be a real pain. I remember one night on another list waiting almost a half hour for a message with an attachment to download - and of course, on my service, I had no other way to get to other messages until that downloaded. For many its not just a matter of what we would like to see. For some it is also a matter of fees - there are some people who still get charged for the amount of bandwidth downloaded. For them it can be a pocketbooks issue. It's not a matter of trying to exclude likes - it is a matter of trying to include folks. I now have my high-speed, but only because I moved. Jackie On 9/16/2012 2:46 PM, RHS Consulting wrote: Interesting opinions. Looks like the plain-texters have it. But wait a minute. There are many of us out there that detest plain text in body or attachment, and I happen to be one of them. To force us out of the picture smacks of unilatetral bullyism, and we wouldn't want that, would we? Stick to what you prefer and like best.  Richard / HTML Always   - Original Message - From: Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com http://us.mc843.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=spa...@xmission.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com http://us.mc843.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text On 9/16/2012 11:40 AM, Michele Lewis wrote: If attachments are a no-no and you are supposed to send messages in plain text isn't there some sort of setting on the Legacy end that would prevent attachments and convert HTML/RTF messages to plain text? Nope   Didn't it used to be that way at one time? Nope -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree ) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/ ). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/ ). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Please! Make it stop! ~Don On Sep 18, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Bernhard Scholz scholz-c...@gmx.de wrote: Ron, the question in the first email was about the possibility to attach an image or to use plain text or not. Thanks for checking RootsWeb. The scrubbing isn't the best sollution as information could be lost. Would you like to rewrite your emails several times until it fit to the filters. I don't. In my opinion it's not Legacy's job to check if something is insulting. That's the problem of the writer and the reader. Why is it Unfortunately Millennia doesn't want to offend customers by having email rejected. If they did it we would be a situation like we have in many countries. As an example I'm thinking of eg. the old GDR. Everybody not thinking like them was rejected. Bernhard -Original Message- From: Ron Bernier [mailto:ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:35 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text Lloyd, It doesn't happen with RootsWeb. Attachments are blocked and the email is rejected. If a message is not plain text, the RootsWeb server attempts to strip out the HTML code and then posts the plain text. If the message can't be scrubbed it is rejected. A very simple solution. You have to remember, RootsWeb lists are a convenience for people to communicate. RootsWeb isn't concerned about insulting anyone for rejecting the person's email. On the other hand, the Legacy list serves two purposes - first, it allows users to exchange ideas. Second, it is also used for users (customers) to communicate with support via the list. Unfortunately Millennia doesn't want to offend customers by having email rejected, so the have made a conscious decision to use email software that cannot be configured to block attachments and HTML messages. Ron Bernier Sent from my iPad On Sep 16, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Lloyd Hite lhite3...@juno.com wrote: On 9/16/2012 4:30 PM, Ron Bernier wrote: forced to have to put our anti-virus software to the test. Unfortunately, every time this discussion arises, there are certain individuals who basically respond that they will post in whatever format that they choose to post in and they display a total lack of concern/regard for everyone else on the list. Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy should make a ruling of one warning and then next time booted off the list for a couple of months. I wonder if these HTML lovers have tried this with the rootsweb lists. Lloyd 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5056513b8101b5139040est02vuc Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Ok you guys - enough with this thread. And PLEASE trim messages - I'm purposefully leaving the junk behind that you guys haven't been trimming off so you can take a look - please look down at the end of the message - and see what a mess it makes. There's no reason to leave the tags that the email program leaves on nor messages that don't directly apply to your response. NO MORE ON THIS THREAD. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Bernhard Scholz scholz-c...@gmx.de wrote: Rich, not where I'm living. When was that. It sounds like conditions we had about 10 years ago. If I could afford it I coud have hade about 3 years ago 16Gb DSL. Bernhard From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES [mailto:fourpa...@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 4:59 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text Jackie, the last time we moved from a no internet neighborhood, and had to bypass nice houses without connections. Luckily we looked until we found a place. It is not as universal as some would think. This is in USA. Same problem elsewhere. Rich in LA CA --- On Sun, 9/16/12, Jackie King jskin...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jackie King jskin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 1:04 PM Let me make it very easy because I used to be on the other end - There are still some 19 million Internet users (recent survey) in the United States that cannot get high speed internet access. For them, attachments can be a real pain. I remember one night on another list waiting almost a half hour for a message with an attachment to download - and of course, on my service, I had no other way to get to other messages until that downloaded. For many its not just a matter of what we would like to see. For some it is also a matter of fees - there are some people who still get charged for the amount of bandwidth downloaded. For them it can be a pocketbooks issue. It's not a matter of trying to exclude likes - it is a matter of trying to include folks. I now have my high-speed, but only because I moved. Jackie On 9/16/2012 2:46 PM, RHS Consulting wrote: Interesting opinions. Looks like the plain-texters have it. But wait a minute. There are many of us out there that detest plain text in body or attachment, and I happen to be one of them. To force us out of the picture smacks of unilatetral bullyism, and we wouldn't want that, would we? Stick to what you prefer and like best.  Richard / HTML Always   - Original Message - From: Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com http://us.mc843.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=spa...@xmission.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com http://us.mc843.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text On 9/16/2012 11:40 AM, Michele Lewis wrote: If attachments are a no-no and you are supposed to send messages in plain text isn't there some sort of setting on the Legacy end that would prevent attachments and convert HTML/RTF messages to plain text? Nope   Didn't it used to be that way at one time? Nope -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree ) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/ ). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
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Tim, that's the other side of living in a country where everthing is possible. We have a law saying the those not securing their WLAN are liable for the misuse. And about those driving around. For the moment they were stoped here. They have to do some homework removing information people don't want published. I bet. The moment they finish the data is outdated. Bernhard -Original Message- From: Tim Rosenlof [mailto:spa...@xmission.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:31 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text On 9/17/2012 8:59 AM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote: the last time we moved from a no internet neighborhood, and had to bypass nice houses without connections. Luckily we looked until we found a place. It really angers me that someone is driving down my street looking for unlocked doors to find a way into their home. My network is secure, however my neighbors may not be, leaving unknowingly there computer open for others to look around and peek/steal. -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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On 9/18/2012 4:11 PM, Sherry/Support wrote: NO MORE ON THIS THREAD. OK. Done -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Why should Legacy have to purchase software and increase cost when people should be expected to follow rules/requests. Rich in LA CA --- On Sun, 9/16/12, Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net wrote: From: Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 11:22 AM Michelle, Legacy support has always maintained that there software cannot block attachments. They always relied on users to refrain from sending attachments and/or HTML messages. Finally thy gave up on saying no HTML because some users simply refused to follow the guidelines. At least, they haven't caved on attachments even though some users ignore that also. It would be really nice if they would look into software that can block/reject messages sent to the list in HTML and/or attachments, but it doesn't look like that will ever happen. Ron Bernier Sent from my iPad On Sep 16, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Michele Lewis ancestor...@gmail.com wrote: If attachments are a no-no and you are supposed to send messages in plain text isn't there some sort of setting on the Legacy end that would prevent attachments and convert HTML/RTF messages to plain text? Didn't it used to be that way at one time? Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Jackie, the last time we moved from a no internet neighborhood, and had to bypass nice houses without connections. Luckily we looked until we found a place. It is not as universal as some would think. This is in USA. Same problem elsewhere. Rich in LA CA --- On Sun, 9/16/12, Jackie King jskin...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jackie King jskin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 1:04 PM Let me make it very easy because I used to be on the other end - There are still some 19 million Internet users (recent survey) in the United States that cannot get high speed internet access. For them, attachments can be a real pain. I remember one night on another list waiting almost a half hour for a message with an attachment to download - and of course, on my service, I had no other way to get to other messages until that downloaded. For many its not just a matter of what we would like to see. For some it is also a matter of fees - there are some people who still get charged for the amount of bandwidth downloaded. For them it can be a pocketbooks issue. It's not a matter of trying to exclude likes - it is a matter of trying to include folks. I now have my high-speed, but only because I moved. Jackie On 9/16/2012 2:46 PM, RHS Consulting wrote: Interesting opinions. Looks like the plain-texters have it. But wait a minute. There are many of us out there that detest plain text in body or attachment, and I happen to be one of them. To force us out of the picture smacks of unilatetral bullyism, and we wouldn't want that, would we? Stick to what you prefer and like best.  Richard / HTML Always   - Original Message - From: Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text On 9/16/2012 11:40 AM, Michele Lewis wrote: If attachments are a no-no and you are supposed to send messages in plain text isn't there some sort of setting on the Legacy end that would prevent attachments and convert HTML/RTF messages to plain text? Nope   Didn't it used to be that way at one time? Nope -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Has anyone at Legacy considered simplemachines.org (a free forum software) for use with this forum. The Guild of One-Name Studies recently added this type of forum to its member services/resources. It is a clean system with a topic-based layout. Members of the forum are able to post by topic, attach videos, photos, screen captures, and files. These are on-line so they do not download unless you choose to download them. It may be something to consider as forums evolve over time. Additionally you would not need to have posts in your email - just sign in to the forum and look for the topics that interest you. Tessa Keough Guild of One-Name Studies, No. 5089 Legacy Virtual Users' Group One Place Studies - Plate Cove, Newfoundland Surnames - Keough, Murphy, Aylward, Kocevar, Lidman, Zagradisnik On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:59 AM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net wrote: Jackie, the last time we moved from a no internet neighborhood, and had to bypass nice houses without connections. Luckily we looked until we found a place. It is not as universal as some would think. This is in USA. Same problem elsewhere. Rich in LA CA --- On Sun, 9/16/12, Jackie King jskin...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jackie King jskin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 1:04 PM Let me make it very easy because I used to be on the other end - There are still some 19 million Internet users (recent survey) in the United States that cannot get high speed internet access. For them, attachments can be a real pain. I remember one night on another list waiting almost a half hour for a message with an attachment to download - and of course, on my service, I had no other way to get to other messages until that downloaded. For many its not just a matter of what we would like to see. For some it is also a matter of fees - there are some people who still get charged for the amount of bandwidth downloaded. For them it can be a pocketbooks issue. It's not a matter of trying to exclude likes - it is a matter of trying to include folks. I now have my high-speed, but only because I moved. Jackie On 9/16/2012 2:46 PM, RHS Consulting wrote: Interesting opinions. Looks like the plain-texters have it. But wait a minute. There are many of us out there that detest plain text in body or attachment, and I happen to be one of them. To force us out of the picture smacks of unilatetral bullyism, and we wouldn't want that, would we? Stick to what you prefer and like best.  Richard / HTML Always   - Original Message - From: Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text On 9/16/2012 11:40 AM, Michele Lewis wrote: If attachments are a no-no and you are supposed to send messages in plain text isn't there some sort of setting on the Legacy end that would prevent attachments and convert HTML/RTF messages to plain text? Nope   Didn't it used to be that way at one time? Nope -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
If you look at the LUG archives, you'll see this has been discussed many times. A mailing list is by far the favorite choice of our users. We have a site on GenealogyWise http://www.genealogywise.com/group/legacyfamilytreefans as well as Facebook, Google+ and Twitter. They're not used nearly as much as the mailing list. Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:07 AM, Tessa Keough murke...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone at Legacy considered simplemachines.org (a free forum software) for use with this forum. The Guild of One-Name Studies recently added this type of forum to its member services/resources. It is a clean system with a topic-based layout. Members of the forum are able to post by topic, attach videos, photos, screen captures, and files. These are on-line so they do not download unless you choose to download them. It may be something to consider as forums evolve over time. Additionally you would not need to have posts in your email - just sign in to the forum and look for the topics that interest you. Tessa Keough Guild of One-Name Studies, No. 5089 Legacy Virtual Users' Group One Place Studies - Plate Cove, Newfoundland Surnames - Keough, Murphy, Aylward, Kocevar, Lidman, Zagradisnik Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re[2]: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Quite simply, because there are those who refuse to follow rules/requests. I will repeat what others have said previously, if a user refuses to adhere to the rules/requests, they should be given one warning. If the user repeats the violation they should be removed from the list for a predetermined amount of time - I.E. - 1st violation 1 month suspension, 2nd violation 3 month suspension, 3rd violation permanent removal from the list. Unfortunately, the Millennia folks would never implement such a system because they wouldn't want to upset any of their customers. There are several subscribers to this list who have repeatedly made it clear they do not care what the rules of the list are. They insis that they will send their emails to the list in any format that they want to. Apparently the Millennia feel that it is acceptable for the violators to cause potential undue hardship to those who are on dialup and/or risk sending a hidden virus/malware to other subscribers of the list. Ron Bernier, Woonsocket, RI -- Original Message -- From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Sent: 9/17/2012 10:48:26 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text Why should Legacy have to purchase software and increase cost when people should be expected to follow rules/requests. Rich in LA CA --- On Sun, 9/16/12, Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net wrote: From: Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 11:22 AM Michelle, Legacy support has always maintained that there software cannot block attachments. They always relied on users to refrain from sending attachments and/or HTML messages. Finally thy gave up on saying no HTML because some users simply refused to follow the guidelines. At least, they haven't caved on attachments even though some users ignore that also. It would be really nice if they would look into software that can block/reject messages sent to the list in HTML and/or attachments, but it doesn't look like that will ever happen. Ron Bernier Sent from my iPad Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
On 9/17/2012 8:59 AM, RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote: the last time we moved from a no internet neighborhood, and had to bypass nice houses without connections. Luckily we looked until we found a place. It really angers me that someone is driving down my street looking for unlocked doors to find a way into their home. My network is secure, however my neighbors may not be, leaving unknowingly there computer open for others to look around and peek/steal. -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
I was aware in the past of some users who were apparently escorted off permanently, but do not remember details. I have not noticed many 'refusers' since most stop before the third time. I don't police the list. There are others who do, hooray for them. Rich in LA CA --- On Mon, 9/17/12, Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net wrote: From: Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net Subject: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Monday, September 17, 2012, 8:30 AM Quite simply, because there are those who refuse to follow rules/requests. I will repeat what others have said previously, if a user refuses to adhere to the rules/requests, they should be given one warning. If the user repeats the violation they should be removed from the list for a predetermined amount of time - I.E. - 1st violation 1 month suspension, 2nd violation 3 month suspension, 3rd violation permanent removal from the list. Unfortunately, the Millennia folks would never implement such a system because they wouldn't want to upset any of their customers. There are several subscribers to this list who have repeatedly made it clear they do not care what the rules of the list are. They insis that they will send their emails to the list in any format that they want to. Apparently the Millennia feel that it is acceptable for the violators to cause potential undue hardship to those who are on dialup and/or risk sending a hidden virus/malware to other subscribers of the list. Ron Bernier, Woonsocket, RI -- Original Message -- From: RICHARD SCHULTHIES fourpa...@verizon.net To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Sent: 9/17/2012 10:48:26 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text Why should Legacy have to purchase software and increase cost when people should be expected to follow rules/requests. Rich in LA CA --- On Sun, 9/16/12, Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net wrote: From: Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Sunday, September 16, 2012, 11:22 AM Michelle, Legacy support has always maintained that there software cannot block attachments. They always relied on users to refrain from sending attachments and/or HTML messages. Finally thy gave up on saying no HTML because some users simply refused to follow the guidelines. At least, they haven't caved on attachments even though some users ignore that also. It would be really nice if they would look into software that can block/reject messages sent to the list in HTML and/or attachments, but it doesn't look like that will ever happen. Ron Bernier Sent from my iPad Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Ron, it's really not that many people who post attachments and it's probably only because they didn't read the guidelines before posting. And they generally respond in a positive manner when it's brought to their attention. We just don't have time to keep track of offenders like you suggest. What bugs me most are those who don't trim previous posts nor the tags that the list software adds to the messages. That's a heck of a lot of junk to scroll through to get to the next message when they're threaded messages in Gmail! Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Ron Bernier ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net wrote: Quite simply, because there are those who refuse to follow rules/requests. I will repeat what others have said previously, if a user refuses to adhere to the rules/requests, they should be given one warning. If the user repeats the violation they should be removed from the list for a predetermined amount of time - I.E. - 1st violation 1 month suspension, 2nd violation 3 month suspension, 3rd violation permanent removal from the list. Unfortunately, the Millennia folks would never implement such a system because they wouldn't want to upset any of their customers. There are several subscribers to this list who have repeatedly made it clear they do not care what the rules of the list are. They insis that they will send their emails to the list in any format that they want to. Apparently the Millennia feel that it is acceptable for the violators to cause potential undue hardship to those who are on dialup and/or risk sending a hidden virus/malware to other subscribers of the list. Ron Bernier, Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
The problem with saying that the 'rules are the rules' is that one accepts the status quo forever. Change, positive change, can only come when people lobby for it. There are situations, such as including screenshots in messages, where a picture is worth a thousand words. This kind of controversy (often flames, not polite reminders) does turn off customers. And, dissatisfied customers usually just leave quietly and don't post about it, but they do pass on negative comments to their friends and acquaintances. Although this list is still very valuable in its current form with its current rules, the internet is increasingly a graphics rich medium, and this list (or some other technical incarnation of it) would be better if some way to include graphics could be found. (By the way, telling is to go the Ancestry Legacy board isn't a solution, by default you are admitting they have a better technology). Paul Gray -Original Message- From: Ron Bernier [mailto:ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net] Sent: September-17-12 9:31 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text Quite simply, because there are those who refuse to follow rules/requests. I will repeat what others have said previously, if a user refuses to adhere to the rules/requests, they should be given one warning. If the user repeats the violation they should be removed from the list for a predetermined amount of time - I.E. - 1st violation 1 month suspension, 2nd violation 3 month suspension, 3rd violation permanent removal from the list. Unfortunately, the Millennia folks would never implement such a system because they wouldn't want to upset any of their customers. There are several subscribers to this list who have repeatedly made it clear they do not care what the rules of the list are. They insis that they will send their emails to the list in any format that they want to. Apparently the Millennia feel that it is acceptable for the violators to cause potential undue hardship to those who are on dialup and/or risk sending a hidden virus/malware to other subscribers of the list. Ron Bernier, Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
When I have been asked to allow a large poating to ME (not group) I do so. I will help anyone I can. It is not hard to ask permission for one on one contact. Sending 'large' may hurt someone inadvertantly, and never get mentioned, because they permenantly stay away. Easier to follow the rules Rich in LA CA . --- On Mon, 9/17/12, Paul Gray grayp...@telus.net wrote: From: Paul Gray grayp...@telus.net Subject: RE: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Date: Monday, September 17, 2012, 9:05 AM The problem with saying that the 'rules are the rules' is that one accepts the status quo forever. Change, positive change, can only come when people lobby for it. There are situations, such as including screenshots in messages, where a picture is worth a thousand words. This kind of controversy (often flames, not polite reminders) does turn off customers. And, dissatisfied customers usually just leave quietly and don't post about it, but they do pass on negative comments to their friends and acquaintances. Although this list is still very valuable in its current form with its current rules, the internet is increasingly a graphics rich medium, and this list (or some other technical incarnation of it) would be better if some way to include graphics could be found. (By the way, telling is to go the Ancestry Legacy board isn't a solution, by default you are admitting they have a better technology). Paul Gray -Original Message- From: Ron Bernier [mailto:ronaldbern...@bernfrin.net] Sent: September-17-12 9:31 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text Quite simply, because there are those who refuse to follow rules/requests. I will repeat what others have said previously, if a user refuses to adhere to the rules/requests, they should be given one warning. If the user repeats the violation they should be removed from the list for a predetermined amount of time - I.E. - 1st violation 1 month suspension, 2nd violation 3 month suspension, 3rd violation permanent removal from the list. Unfortunately, the Millennia folks would never implement such a system because they wouldn't want to upset any of their customers. There are several subscribers to this list who have repeatedly made it clear they do not care what the rules of the list are. They insis that they will send their emails to the list in any format that they want to. Apparently the Millennia feel that it is acceptable for the violators to cause potential undue hardship to those who are on dialup and/or risk sending a hidden virus/malware to other subscribers of the list. Ron Bernier, Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Sherry (and others) Saw your response and I took a quick look at Legacy's Google+ Page and Facebook Page. Both seem to be used to advertise the Legacy product and webinars (nothing wrong with that). Just saying it does not appear to be set up for or include the give and take that a forum has. Not sure why as several other Google+ pages have lots of interaction. If it is because anyone going to the site only sees posts about webinars, they might consider that this method of communication is a one-way street. I get that a company only has so much time to invest in social media and user forums. I was simply suggesting a method that allowed for attachments and topic headers without clogging up someone's email account and/or what some might consider an updated version of a forum. I also took a look at the site you referenced - Genealogywise. It appears to be a website with lots of ads and requires membership. That is not really the same thing as a users' forum. But I did get the gist of your response - previous discussions have been had, change is not in the offing. Got it. Appreciate the webinars and the product. Thanks Tessa Keough Guild of One-Name Studies, No. 5089 Legacy Virtual Users' Group One Place Studies - Plate Cove, Newfoundland On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote: If you look at the LUG archives, you'll see this has been discussed many times. SNIP Sincerely, Sherry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
[LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
If attachments are a no-no and you are supposed to send messages in plain text isn't there some sort of setting on the Legacy end that would prevent attachments and convert HTML/RTF messages to plain text? Didn't it used to be that way at one time? Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
On 9/16/2012 11:40 AM, Michele Lewis wrote: If attachments are a no-no and you are supposed to send messages in plain text isn't there some sort of setting on the Legacy end that would prevent attachments and convert HTML/RTF messages to plain text? Nope Didn't it used to be that way at one time? Nope -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
On 9/16/2012 12:07 PM, bgsu1...@gmail.com wrote: Michele Lewisancestor...@gmail.com proclaimed: isn't there some sort of setting on the Legacy end that would prevent attachments and convert HTML/RTF messages to plain text? Some of the notes screens have a Strip HTML button. The OP is referring to this mailing list. -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Michelle, Legacy support has always maintained that there software cannot block attachments. They always relied on users to refrain from sending attachments and/or HTML messages. Finally thy gave up on saying no HTML because some users simply refused to follow the guidelines. At least, they haven't caved on attachments even though some users ignore that also. It would be really nice if they would look into software that can block/reject messages sent to the list in HTML and/or attachments, but it doesn't look like that will ever happen. Ron Bernier Sent from my iPad On Sep 16, 2012, at 1:42 PM, Michele Lewis ancestor...@gmail.com wrote: If attachments are a no-no and you are supposed to send messages in plain text isn't there some sort of setting on the Legacy end that would prevent attachments and convert HTML/RTF messages to plain text? Didn't it used to be that way at one time? Michele Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com proclaimed: On 9/16/2012 12:07 PM, bgsu1...@gmail.com wrote: Michele Lewisancestor...@gmail.com proclaimed: isn't there some sort of setting on the Legacy end that would prevent attachments and convert HTML/RTF messages to plain text? Some of the notes screens have a Strip HTML button. The OP is referring to this mailing list. Oh, I see. I would call that the server (or server-side), not the Legacy end. -- bgsu Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Interesting opinions. Looks like the plain-texters have it. But wait a minute. There are many of us out there that detest plain text in body or attachment, and I happen to be one of them. To force us out of the picture smacks of unilatetral bullyism, and we wouldn't want that, would we? Stick to what you prefer and like best. Richard / HTML Always - Original Message - From: Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text On 9/16/2012 11:40 AM, Michele Lewis wrote: If attachments are a no-no and you are supposed to send messages in plain text isn't there some sort of setting on the Legacy end that would prevent attachments and convert HTML/RTF messages to plain text? Nope Didn't it used to be that way at one time? Nope -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Let me make it very easy because I used to be on the other end - There are still some 19 million Internet users (recent survey) in the United States that cannot get high speed internet access. For them, attachments can be a real pain. I remember one night on another list waiting almost a half hour for a message with an attachment to download - and of course, on my service, I had no other way to get to other messages until that downloaded. For many its not just a matter of what we would like to see. For some it is also a matter of fees - there are some people who still get charged for the amount of bandwidth downloaded. For them it can be a pocketbooks issue. It's not a matter of trying to exclude likes - it is a matter of trying to include folks. I now have my high-speed, but only because I moved. Jackie On 9/16/2012 2:46 PM, RHS Consulting wrote: Interesting opinions. Looks like the plain-texters have it. But wait a minute. There are many of us out there that detest plain text in body or attachment, and I happen to be one of them. To force us out of the picture smacks of unilatetral bullyism, and we wouldn't want that, would we? Stick to what you prefer and like best. Richard / HTML Always - Original Message - From: Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com mailto:spa...@xmission.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com mailto:LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text On 9/16/2012 11:40 AM, Michele Lewis wrote: If attachments are a no-no and you are supposed to send messages in plain text isn't there some sort of setting on the Legacy end that would prevent attachments and convert HTML/RTF messages to plain text? Nope Didn't it used to be that way at one time? Nope -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re[2]: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Jackie, Unfortunately this is a discussion that arises on a fairly regular basis. Two main issues with HTML and attachements is the fact that this is an international list and there are still many subscribers who access the internet via dialup (for some there is no choice, for others it is a financial situation). Second, it is a well known fact that HTML and attachments have the potential for harboring a virus hidden within the message. Although the majority of us do have excellent anti-virus software installed on our computers, we should not be forced to have to put our anti-virus software to the test. Unfortunately, every time this discussion arises, there are certain individuals who basically respond that they will post in whatever format that they choose to post in and they display a total lack of concern/regard for everyone else on the list. Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI From: Jackie King jskin...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com Sent: 9/16/2012 4:04:12 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text Let me make it very easy because I used to be on the other end - There are still some 19 million Internet users (recent survey) in the United States that cannot get high speed internet access. For them, attachments can be a real pain. I remember one night on another list waiting almost a half hour for a message with an attachment to download - and of course, on my service, I had no other way to get to other messages until that downloaded. For many its not just a matter of what we would like to see. For some it is also a matter of fees - there are some people who still get charged for the amount of bandwidth downloaded. For them it can be a pocketbooks issue. It's not a matter of trying to exclude likes - it is a matter of trying to include folks. I now have my high-speed, but only because I moved. Jackie On 9/16/2012 2:46 PM, RHS Consulting wrote: Interesting opinions. Looks like the plain-texters have it. But wait a minute. There are many of us out there that detest plain text in body or attachment, and I happen to be one of them. To force us out of the picture smacks of unilatetral bullyism, and we wouldn't want that, would we? Stick to what you prefer and like best. Richard / HTML Always Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: Re[2]: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
I agree: This is a list and lists have rules, just follow the rules! -Original Message- Unfortunately this is a discussion that arises on a fairly regular basis. Two main issues with HTML and attachements is the fact that this is an international list and there are still many subscribers who access the internet via dialup (for some there is no choice, for others it is a financial situation). Second, it is a well known fact that HTML and attachments have the potential for harboring a virus hidden within the message. Although the majority of us do have excellent anti-virus software installed on our computers, we should not be forced to have to put our anti-virus software to the test. Unfortunately, every time this discussion arises, there are certain individuals who basically respond that they will post in whatever format that they choose to post in and they display a total lack of concern/regard for everyone else on the list. Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Richard, Don't you think it is a little hypocritical for you to force HTML on those who do not wish it, and then label those same people with unilateral bullyism for asking you to use plain text. Charles From: RHS Consulting [mailto:rhsconsult...@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:46 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text Interesting opinions. Looks like the plain-texters have it. But wait a minute. There are many of us out there that detest plain text in body or attachment, and I happen to be one of them. To force us out of the picture smacks of unilatetral bullyism, and we wouldn't want that, would we? Stick to what you prefer and like best. Richard / HTML Always - Original Message - From: Tim Rosenlof spa...@xmission.com To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text On 9/16/2012 11:40 AM, Michele Lewis wrote: If attachments are a no-no and you are supposed to send messages in plain text isn't there some sort of setting on the Legacy end that would prevent attachments and convert HTML/RTF messages to plain text? Nope Didn't it used to be that way at one time? Nope -- Tim Rosenlof Utah, USA Swedish Research Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
On 9/16/2012 4:30 PM, Ron Bernier wrote: forced to have to put our anti-virus software to the test. Unfortunately, every time this discussion arises, there are certain individuals who basically respond that they will post in whatever format that they choose to post in and they display a total lack of concern/regard for everyone else on the list. Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy should make a ruling of one warning and then next time booted off the list for a couple of months. I wonder if these HTML lovers have tried this with the rootsweb lists. Lloyd 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5056513b8101b5139040est02vuc Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] attachements, plain text
Lloyd, It doesn't happen with RootsWeb. Attachments are blocked and the email is rejected. If a message is not plain text, the RootsWeb server attempts to strip out the HTML code and then posts the plain text. If the message can't be scrubbed it is rejected. A very simple solution. You have to remember, RootsWeb lists are a convenience for people to communicate. RootsWeb isn't concerned about insulting anyone for rejecting the person's email. On the other hand, the Legacy list serves two purposes - first, it allows users to exchange ideas. Second, it is also used for users (customers) to communicate with support via the list. Unfortunately Millennia doesn't want to offend customers by having email rejected, so the have made a conscious decision to use email software that cannot be configured to block attachments and HTML messages. Ron Bernier Sent from my iPad On Sep 16, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Lloyd Hite lhite3...@juno.com wrote: On 9/16/2012 4:30 PM, Ron Bernier wrote: forced to have to put our anti-virus software to the test. Unfortunately, every time this discussion arises, there are certain individuals who basically respond that they will post in whatever format that they choose to post in and they display a total lack of concern/regard for everyone else on the list. Ron Bernier Woonsocket, RI Legacy should make a ruling of one warning and then next time booted off the list for a couple of months. I wonder if these HTML lovers have tried this with the rootsweb lists. Lloyd 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5056513b8101b5139040est02vuc Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
