[lfs-support] [OT] CLFS

[rob]

Site seems to have been down for a couple of weeks.

Tried mailing CLFS list but returned Undelivered.

Anybody heard any news?

Rob

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Re: [lfs-support] [OT] CLFS

[rob]

On 05/12/14 00:03, Douglas R. Reno wrote:

They seem to have a backup domain at http://clfs.org. I would try there.

Douglas R. Reno



Thanks.


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[lfs-support] Upgrading Between Versions

[Rob]

Good morning all.
I have built and installed LFS, and a few packages from BLFS 7.7. Now I 
am looking to now upgrade to 7.8. I did not see anything in the book 
specifically geared toward going between LFS versions. Do I have to do 
anything different when doing an upgrade rather than going from scratch?

I hope this made a little sense.
Thank you. 


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Re: [lfs-support] Alsa Drivers Keep loading, even blacklisted

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Thanos Baloukas  wrote:

On 3.19.1 kernel the module name is snd-hda-intel with `-', not `_'
Are you sure you are using the correct module name?
It doesn't matter. Modprobe.d automatically replaces dashes and 
underscores, according to the man page. Just to be sure, however, I 
tried it with both.

Interestingly, modprobe -r snd_hda_intel worked.

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[lfs-support] Alsa Drivers Keep loading, even blacklisted

[Rob]

I ask here because module blacklisting is mentioned in the lfs book.
I have 3 cards on my system: an onboard and two PCI cards. I want the 
onboard one to not load. It is too quiet and I can barely hear it; so it 
is therefore useless for my purposes.

It is an Intel board, so in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf, I put
blacklist snd_hda_intel*
That didn't appear to entirely work, however. Here is  an entry from 
aplay -l:
card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC662 rev1 Analog [ALC662 rev1 
Analog]

 Subdevices: 1/1
 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: ALC662 rev1 Digital [ALC662 rev1 
Digital]

 Subdevices: 1/1
 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
And here is from cat /proc/asound.cards:
0 [Intel  ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
 HDA Intel at 0xfdff8000 irq 28
How can I really stop this card from loading?
Thank you all for your help on both lists. I'm almost upup and running 
to my satisfaction.


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Re: [lfs-support] Flashing message on the console

[Rob]

Marcos Pansani  wrote:
> From time to time on the island, is popping up a message that I believe is a
> log or warning that a certain USB device connects or disconnects ...

You can turn this off by editing
/etc/sysconfig/console
and changing loglevel to 4.
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Re: [lfs-support] Force i386

[Rob]

Ken Moffat <zarniwh...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Building LFS for the first time is hard. Many people have trouble.
> And multilib is harder still (or perhaps just "more tedious", but
> "harder" is probably a better starting assumption).

I wouldn't say harder but tedious definitely. There aren't a lot of 
instructions out there, either. The stuff I found says things like, enable 
multilib repository in xx distribution; or edit your apt sources and install 
these packages. Nothing about enabling a multilib toolchain from source. I'm 
beginning to think I'll have to read C programming books to figure everything 
out.

> Cross-lfs may well be using older packages than LFS - they have even
> fewer developers and builders than we do - but to suggest they are
> "a few years behind" is an overstatement.  

Well it's using kernel 3.14. We're at kernel 4.7.2. I am not sure about the 
security risks of running such old stuff. The copyright date is 2014. That's 
what I meant by a few years behind.


> My suggestion to Rob is that he should build LFS, plus whichever
> parts of BLFS are useful to him.  

This is my third build of LFS/BLFS. The first two times, I built for i686. This 
time, I wanted to build for x86_64, but still be able to run a couple of i686 
binaries and libes on there. Here is where I ran into problems, and which is 
what prompted my questions.
I eventually gave up trying to figure out the multilib/arch stuff, and 
yesterday I just built LFS 7.10 on an i686 machine. As I said earlier, I think 
I'll have to find a good C reference and try to figure everything out. The 
problem I've found with that is a lot of C books figure you already have 
everything installed already--all your toolchains and stuff. So they don't talk 
about it.
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Re: [lfs-support] Force i386

[Rob]

William Harrington  wrote:
> If we get a break in real world prioritized responsibilities, then
> the book may get some excellent updates. Until then, we
> are working at a frivolous pace.

Absolutely. I did not mean that as a criticism at all.
In fact, I intend looking at the CLFS roadmap and seeing if I can
apply it on newer versions. Not on a production box, of course,
but I'll build from the book first and then see if I can update it.
Thank you all for the excellent work.
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[lfs-support] Sanity Check Failed in GCC Pass 2

[Rob]

In conducting the sanity check in section 5.10:
echo 'int main(){}' > dummy.c
cc dummy.c
readelf -l a.out | grep ': /tools'
cc dummy.c
got the following output
/usr/bin/ld: 
/mnt/lfs/tools/bin/../lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/6.2.0/../../../crti.o: 
unrecognized relocation (0x2b) in section `.init'
/usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Bad value
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
I am following LFS 7.10 RC1. I do not understand enough of the inner workings 
of linking to debug this issue. The pages on google are seemingly directed at 
experienced programmers--something which I am not.
What went wrong here?
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[lfs-support] Force i386

[Rob]

I can't seem to get multilib GCC to compile properly. It stops haflway through 
compiling with
"checking dynamic linker characteristics... configure: error: Link tests are 
not allowed after GCC_NO_EXECUTABLES."
and won't go any further. Sounds like something went wrong with binutils, but 
I'm not sure how to fix.
So, is there any way to force i686 on a x86_64 system? Perhaps change $LFS_TGT 
to i386-linux-gnu?
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Re: [lfs-support] Sanity Check Failed in GCC Pass 2

[Rob]

Thanos Baloukas  wrote:
> If you don't find something, post some info for the host
> and the output of version-check.sh

I  deleted /tools and started over again. This time, we had no errors. Still 
not sure what steps I might have missed though.
Oh well. As long as it's working.
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[lfs-support] different module directories

[Rob]

Can someone please clarify for me the differences here?
/etc/modules-load.d
/etc/modprobe.d
and the file:
/etc/sysconfig/modules
All these various module dirs are confusing.
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[lfs-support] passwd: Authentication token manipulation error

[Rob]

Building LFS-7.10-Systemd
I installed linux-pam, reinstalled shadow, reinstalled systemd.
However, I must have missed a step somewhere, because it won't
 let me log in when I reboot.
I fired up my rescue system, chrooted into the LFS one. As root
"passwd"
, and got this:
"passwd: Authentication token manipulation error"
"passwd: password unchanged"
What did I miss?
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Re: [lfs-support] passwd: Authentication token manipulation error

[Rob]

Douglas R. Reno  wrote:
> You'll need to run "pwconv" and "grpconv" in the Shadow page in LFS in
> order to get the /etc/shadow file.

Thanks, that fixed it. NOw we're logged in, but with new problems
which I'll post about separately.
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[lfs-support] No Networking in Post Boot

[Rob]

LFS-7.10-Systemd.
In section 7.2.1.2 the book talks about creating
"/etc/systemd/network/10-eth0-dhcp.network"
. Then, in BLFS Chapter 14, - DHCPCD, it talks about disabling
systemd-networkd.service.
So, does the file referenced in LFS 7.2.1.2  still need to be
created if you install dhcpcd? Because I'm getting persistent
messages, when I try running
"systemctl start dhcpcd@eth0"
It says that it fails because of a dependency, but it doesn't say
what the dependency is.
"systemctl status dhcpcd@eth0"
says:
"... / start failed with result 'depencency'.
Again, it doesn't tell you what the dependency is.
"systemctl edit dhcpcd@eth0"
shows an empty file.
I'm a little stuck here. Where do I go next?
Kernel configuration is correct and I'm pretty sure it's loading the
hardware, since LFS 7.8 was running on the same metal, and I
just copied over the 4.2 configuration and did
"make oldconfig"
to build 4.7.2.
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[lfs-support] A question on Multiboot

[Rob]

Here's the situation.
I've got two LFS systems, one on /dev/sda1 and the other on
/dev/sdb1. They each have their kernels in the /boot directories on
those drives. So I don't have a separate /boot partition. A little
bit of an oversight on my part.
I know I could back up things, erase partitions and start over
with a separate /boot, but that's a lot of bother.
So, what would be the proper grub configuration to fix it so that
both systems can be booted? Right now, I have this
# # #
/boot/grub/grub.cfg on /dev/sda1
set default=0
set timeout=-1
insmod ext2
set root=(hd0,1)
menuentry "GNU/Linux, Linux 4.7.2-newbean" {
linux   /boot/vmlinuz-4.7.2 root=/dev/sda1 ro
}
menuentry "GNU/Linux, Linux 4.2-l-bean" {
linux   /boot/vmlinuz-4.2-lfs-7.8 root=/dev/sdb1 ro
}
# # #
That doesn't appear to work, however; I can only boot  the 4.7.2 system.
Does
" vmlinuz-4.2-lfs-7.8 "
need to be in the /boot partition of /dev/sda1 for this to work
 properly, since I have grub installed there?
Thank you all for the help--and the patience.
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Re: [lfs-support] A question on Multiboot

[Rob]

William Harrington  wrote:
> You need to specify the Grub's root for each path to the kernel:

> If recall, that is the way to do it and not use the variable set early for
> "set root="

Thanks. That did the trick.
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Re: [lfs-support] Another Question on Dual Boot

[Rob]

Bruce Dubbs  wrote: 

That's too hard. Just mount the formatted /dev/sda2 as e.g.
/media.
cp -a /root/tmp/* /media


I gave that a try just to see what would happen. It led to some
unpredictable results. I got a bunch of messages about how preserving
permissions of various files in /var/log was
unsupported. In addition, some of the binaries were whining about
not being owned by root and wouldn't execute. for example
/usr/bin/sudo
Another example was /run. Screen wouldn't execute, giving me
a message like
/run/screen: permission denied.
So I'll just stick with my method since I know it works.
Anyway, I did get the system migrated successfully in the end.

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Re: [lfs-support] Can Regular Users Contribute?

[Rob]

lf...@cruziero.com (akhiezer) wrote:
> (Top-posting as I gather that can be useful re accessibility stuff:
is that correct?)

It doesn't matter to me personally. A lot of lists for vi folks do top post 
though.
I strike a compromise between the ones that do and the ones like this which 
bottom post by quoting.
Anyway, as for hardware, I'm afraid I'm not much of an expert on that 
particular topic. In order to get hardware synthesizers to work in newer 
kernels, though, we have to patch them (which I'll mention in my hint when I 
write it.)
I don't currently have such a synthesizer, but it's worth mentioning in case 
someone who has such a thing wants to try LFS one day.
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[lfs-support] B- and LFS Roadmap

[Rob]

Do we have something like a milestone tracker that shows the
status/progress of B and LFS development?

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[lfs-support] the new Linux Subsystem in Win 10

[Rob]

Last year I heard that M$ was including a Ubuntu-based subsystem in its Windows 
10 product. I wasn't sure this was actually going to work very well, but 
apparently it does.
Can this be used to build LFS? I'm not sure it can because of the ext* file 
systems you would need, but i'm curious nonetheless.
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[lfs-support] Only one esata interface at a time

[Rob]

This problem is distro independent, and seems to be a kernel issue.
I have two MediaSonic esata enclosures, each with four drives.
They are connected via a two port Esata PCIE card, listed as:
01:00.0 SATA controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE9128 PCIe
SATA 6 Gb/s RAID controller (rev 20)
The problem is that only one box shows up in Linux at a time.
I changed cables. I swapped PCIE slots. I tried turning one box on
before boot, and turning the other one after login. Still, only one
showed up at a time in
fdisk -l
I googled around, and I found a lot of old forum threads talking about
how transfer speeds were slow with the card. Or how the esata interface didn't
show up at all. Nothing about this particular issue.
What else can I try? The boxes also have USB interfaces but
the computer to which they are connected has USB2.0, which isn't fun
for what I want to do with these drive arrays.
The kernel in use during this experiment is 4.15.
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[lfs-support] Install LFS while running from USB

[Rob]

I got my hands on a HP Z220 workstation. I was going to install LFS
and make it a raid box for network storage.
I only want one OS on the internal drive. Is it possible to install
LFS while running off a live USB stick?
My thought was to use arch linux as the temporary host. Any caveats?
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[lfs-support] A Question about EFI Partition

[Rob]

I just want to make sure this partition layout is correct before
doing grub.
fdisk -l /dev/sdb
Disk /dev/sdb: 37.3 GiB, 400 bytes, 78125000 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: gpt
Disk identifier: 3423800A-F837-4BAA-9B7A-416EE111C386

DeviceStart  End  Sectors  Size Type
/dev/sdb1  2048  1050623  1048576  512M EFI System
/dev/sdb2   1050624 32507903 31457280   15G Linux filesystem
/dev/sdb3  32507904 66062335 33554432   16G Linux swap

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Re: [lfs-support] A Question about EFI Partition

[Rob]

Xi Ruoyao  wrote:
LFS book does *not* support EFI.  If you followed the book, you should
use "legacy boot" instead of EFI.  And, since the partition table is
GPT, you should create a "BIOS boot partition" (in section 2.4.1.3 of
LFS book) for it.

There is no such thing as legacy boot on this machine.
So I have to follow the UEFI hint and hope it actually works.

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Re: [lfs-support] A Question about EFI Partition

[Rob]

Ken Moffat  wrote:
You are ignoring one important fact from Rob's original post - the
disk is only 37.3GB.  To be honest, to me that looks barely usable
for storage (even with only one, probably never updated, system).


It works fine to run the system. And the system is CLI only.
The /home is on a different disk so it can be migrated around.
And, all of my important data storage is in esata boxes.
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[lfs-support] LFS-8.2-RC1: 5.12

[Rob]

When trying to compile expect, I got this:
config.status: WARNING:  'Makefile.in' seems to ignore the --datarootdir setting
chmod: cannot access './install-sh': No such file or directory
Here is my command line:
./configure -q --prefix=/tools   \
--with-tcl=/tools/lib \
--with-tclinclude=/tools/include
The host is LFS-7.8.
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[lfs-support] Kernel Config, SSD

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Does anything special need to be done with the kernel for optimal use
of solid state drives?
I recall something about turning on something called trimming, but
I don't remember much more than that.
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[lfs-support] Kernel Compilation for Headless Server

[Rob]

I'm working on building a storage server, where I'm going to cram in
as many drives as I can. I currently have 10.
As such, I need to get rid of the video card to make room.
I'll be administering the server over ssh.
Can I build a linux version that requires no video support? And how?
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Re: [lfs-support] Kernel Compilation for Headless Server

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Dave  wrote:
How about a USB video dongle

Oh, didn't know such things existed. I'll look into that.
Thanks.
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[lfs-support] DBus-Broker

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Are we considering switching from traditional DBus to this
implementation? I'm told many distros are switching over, that this one
is faster and more efficient.
What says LFS?
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Re: [lfs-support] DBus-Broker

[Rob]

Ken Moffat  wrote:
Do you have links to whatever speed or other efficiency this package
provides ?  As a user of the sysvinit books I've never found DBus to
be an obvious cause of pain or "ooh, this is so slow!" thoughts.


All I have is word on the street.  I'm no kind of analyst or 
benchmark expert.
I know Fedora is using it
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DbusBrokerAsTheDefaultDbusImplementation
which is my main source without branching into the wilds of Reddit.
People I talk to on other lists say some services are faster.
Just wondered if this project had been given consideration for inclusion.
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Re: [lfs-support] build time comparison

[Rob]

Ken Moffat  wrote:
But for your SSD I'm guessing that you might not be using fstrim
(either manually, or the ',discard' option in the fstab), and
therefore writing a new block means it has sufficiently filled up
that it needs to shuffle things about.


I thought that trim stuff was all handled automagically by kernels now.
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[lfs-support] Building LFS for Headless Server

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As I mentioned before, I'm working at building LFS for a headless
server whose primary purpose is for data storage.
Thanks, by the way, for the serial console suggestion. I'll be doing that.
As such, I'm wondering if any special consideration needs to be taken
particularly for kernel builds when attempting to run linux offa USB
stick.
I know the NAS distributions are designed to run as such. However
I don't want to go that route; too much junk is included which I
don't need.
Any tips appreciated.
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[lfs-support] CoreUtils warnings

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This with LFS stable on Debian 10 host
Chapter 5.19, coreutils-8.31

configure: WARNING: libacl development library was not found or not usable.
configure: WARNING: GNU coreutils will be built without ACL support.
configure: WARNING: libattr development library was not found or not usable.
configure: WARNING: GNU coreutils will be built without xattr support.
configure: WARNING: libcap library was not found or not usable.
configure: WARNING: GNU coreutils will be built without capability support.
configure: WARNING: libgmp development library was not found or not usable.
configure: WARNING: GNU coreutils will be built without GMP support.

Are these things I need to worry about?
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[lfs-support] GCC atomic test failure

[Rob]

In Chapter 6.25, GCC-9.2.0
We're in chroot. All else went ok, and then we have:
Running /sources/gcc-9.2.0/gcc/testsuite/gcc.dg/atomic/atomic.exp ...
WARNING: program timed out.
FAIL: gcc.dg/atomic/c11-atomic-exec-5.c   -O1  execution test
WARNING: program timed out.
FAIL: gcc.dg/atomic/c11-atomic-exec-5.c   -O2  execution test
A search seemed to indicate this has something to do with some kind of C
syntax problem. I am not clear, however, if this is something I should be 
worried
about.
The discussions kind of went over my head.
What do you all think?
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Re: [lfs-support] GCC atomic test failure

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Bruce Dubbs  wrote:
I don't recall seeing this.  Are you on a relatively older system?  A 
timeout in a test would indicate that to me.  If that is the only 
problem you see in gcc, then you are probably OK to continue.

Hardware in this thing is about five years old. It's an I5 something.
After this failure, things proceeded normally with only the failures
listed in the book. It's still going, though. This takes the longest.
If there's another problem i'll post again; otherwise, looks ok so far.
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Re: [lfs-support] LFS translation to Ancient Greek completed

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Tim Tassonis  wrote:
It took me a while, but I now finally completed my translation of the 
LFS book into Ancient Greek. It is based on LFS 10.0, and only the sysv 
version is done yet, Systemd is still pending due to ancient greek only 
having capital letters.


Ha. Very good.
You actually did have me going there, for a while.
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