Re: [liberationtech] Ostel: encrypted phone calls
Now is a great time to push OStel further out, as clear evidence that the NSA is scooping up all noncontent cellphone data (including domestic-domestic) is hitting the news: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order Michael On Jun 5, 2013 6:03 PM, Nathan of Guardian nat...@guardianproject.info wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/05/2013 02:25 PM, Mark Belinsky wrote: When we initially developed ostel.me it used freeswitch but we've moved away from it to allow for better federation. Ostel.co is a new implementation of the open secure telephony network (ostn) standard If you want to track the open-source project behind OStel, you can find on the project tracker[0] and post questions on the guardian-dev list [1]. As Mark mentioned, this is our second go around at creating an Open Secure/Source/Standards Telephony Network [2] service, this time based on the popular+powerful Kamalio [3] SIP server. Soon, we will have all the information posted on how to run your own instance too. We previously documented how to do this with our v1 Freeswitch-based cookbook [4]. After all, we still believe in things like standards, federation and the ability to run your own servers, because, well, that is what the Internet is made of. +n [0] OStel Project Tracker: https://dev.guardianproject.info/projects/ostel [1] Guardian-dev Mailing List: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/admin/guardian-dev [2] OSTN Project Overview: https://guardianproject.info/wiki/OSTN [3] Kamailio: http://www.kamailio.org/w/ [4] DEPRECATED: Run your own OSTN node: https://guardianproject.info/wiki/OSTN_cookbook -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRr7WdAAoJEKgBGD5ps3qpOswP/RuA6id38QvnUUVxiSpncUxc uwmPo/DtytirKakI+ZZSeAcN0NFTaExIemye/+QLZUBhGr03O3dwG3KlRYt4ztI3 yHk8knWK6CUH3vZqluZdB4dX9EWPET0rh+Makf8Qxhzv7F9zIVMk+2CgoPSex078 MEwXPY7+d7rq3XwwAQHLpjMXxU3J9FXdljRiULr9XyEcTwH7i7T2JzHDx3B9BHE2 5Mqrsaylm9RkkKUuIBLwrOpp8vxGT3Y5qwHQSo0LWIwMi8zm60ScG61eB7xpVmS6 wXrqwb2Gs/ay66yexgJ9A05GYiodE3KDvIUB3Aa9Eu34zzQ0vyS9EGJhKWpEyaqm YsLy9MezpmC3hkVLFHOawoN9BjRivX4KTnyvdPjDV621HoJO5r8qmnbrZKha7jio tNiYLq+bwFabU2DSP4f1k67S2CG0t5IktuLAg2Ckfrg0g3NxfnDT4Q2CANr6h7SC Pryx5+BAebpu4J/Pv1iiBTx7uefrwXYltx2jxF6YoAHnnu6jiJjzvIfAwrvuXNq9 bnsO8TvYFzzPA+i2237WiUvSvOQxjQQQEM4OROJ75VZ9V41ONVy2ndZq8AJmH9dL RhaKJNfr5sXdY3yOSWr3ohUH58hDWR0glaUyt8n6Z47uJVWHJr/whnyAD7YCTvf2 zyJLnld3E5C+/aajioma =NqX3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] Airline Shutdown Because of Loss of Internet Service?
This is probably not a Liberation issue directly but I'm not sure where else to address it... Sunday I was flying (Porter Airlines--small short hop Canadian carrier) from NYC to Ottawa, ON with a plane change in Toronto. When we arrived in Toronto we were informed that because the Internet was down planes were not able to land or depart. The company's service was completely shut down for roughly 4 hours until the Internet service was restored (presumably by their ISP). I understand that other airlines have had similar experiences recently. My question... how exactly is Internet service so intertwined with flight operations that service can function only if the Internet is operational? (And I guess the Liberation angle... if this is now pervasive for all airlines what is the hackable element of all this and where are the points of vulnerability etc.etc.? M -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Airline Shutdown Because of Loss of Internet Service? MICHAEL GURSTEIN AND YOSSEM
I would like to post this on my FB wall Would that be all right? Seems to me to be very important, with all the horrible talk going on in favor of internet voting I await your response Thank you, Sheila At 03:45 AM 6/6/2013, you wrote: This is probably not a Liberation issue directly but I'm not sure where else to address it... Sunday I was flying (Porter Airlines--small short hop Canadian carrier) from NYC to Ottawa, ON with a plane change in Toronto. When we arrived in Toronto we were informed that because the Internet was down planes were not able to land or depart. The company's service was completely shut down for roughly 4 hours until the Internet service was restored (presumably by their ISP). I understand that other airlines have had similar experiences recently. My question... how exactly is Internet service so intertwined with flight operations that service can function only if the Internet is operational? (And I guess the Liberation angle... if this is now pervasive for all airlines what is the hackable element of all this and where are the points of vulnerability etc.etc.? M -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Sheila Parks, Ed.D. Founder Center for Hand-Counted Paper Ballots Watertown, MA 02472 617 744 6020 DEMOCRACY IN OUR HANDS www.handcountedpaperballots.org she...@handcountedpaperballots.org -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Airline Shutdown Because of Loss of Internet Service? MICHAEL GURSTEIN AND YOSSEM
Not a problem Sheila... (good suggestion I'll do it as well :) Best, Mike -Original Message- From: liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu [mailto:liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Sheila Parks Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 4:17 AM To: liberationtech Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Airline Shutdown Because of Loss of Internet Service? MICHAEL GURSTEIN AND YOSSEM Importance: High I would like to post this on my FB wall Would that be all right? Seems to me to be very important, with all the horrible talk going on in favor of internet voting I await your response Thank you, Sheila At 03:45 AM 6/6/2013, you wrote: This is probably not a Liberation issue directly but I'm not sure where else to address it... Sunday I was flying (Porter Airlines--small short hop Canadian carrier) from NYC to Ottawa, ON with a plane change in Toronto. When we arrived in Toronto we were informed that because the Internet was down planes were not able to land or depart. The company's service was completely shut down for roughly 4 hours until the Internet service was restored (presumably by their ISP). I understand that other airlines have had similar experiences recently. My question... how exactly is Internet service so intertwined with flight operations that service can function only if the Internet is operational? (And I guess the Liberation angle... if this is now pervasive for all airlines what is the hackable element of all this and where are the points of vulnerability etc.etc.? M -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Sheila Parks, Ed.D. Founder Center for Hand-Counted Paper Ballots Watertown, MA 02472 617 744 6020 DEMOCRACY IN OUR HANDS www.handcountedpaperballots.org she...@handcountedpaperballots.org -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] Subject: Hoping to learn more about the 2009 Iran Green Movement
Hi Zak, As far as I know, it is hard to have a thorough picture of what was used by whom and when. Also, I am not too sure there is a common acknowledgement of when the Green Movement went dim, or if the current opposition is still somehow it or something that should be called differently. Anyway, I think you will find very interesting bits and pieces in the list below: - The Agonistic Social Media: Cyberspace in the Formation of Dissent and Consolidation of State Power in Postelection Iran (2011), Babak Rahimi http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10714421.2011.597240#preview - Blogistan: The Internet and Politics in Iran, A. Sreberny, G. Khiabany (2010), particularly, Chapter 8, “The Summer of 2009” http://www.amazon.com/Blogistan-Internet-Politics-International-Library/dp/1845116062 - UNESCO's Freedom of Expression, Freedom of Connection, p. 38 Box 4.5b Twitter in the Iranian 2009 Election Protests http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/resources/publications-and-communication-materials/publications/full-list/freedom-of-connection-freedom-of-expression-the-changing-legal-and-regulatory-ecology-shaping-the-internet/ - (probably the most thorough) After the Green Movement, ONI http://opennet.net/blog/2013/02/after-green-movement-internet-controls-iran-2009-2012 - Freedom House's Freedom on the Net 2012 http://www.freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-net/2012/iran#_ftn29 - if you want to look at the current developments of the situation, you should also follow the policy and infrastructure reports from Small Media http://smallmedia.org.uk/content/78 http://smallmedia.org.uk/content/82 http://smallmedia.org.uk/content/88 - and a more up to date picture of the user profiles: Abadpour/Anderson's Fights, Adapts, Accepts: Archetypes of Iranian Internet Use http://iranmediaresearch.com/en/research/pdffile/1287 That's about it at my end :). That might cover more than what you want to look at, but you should find relevant things in these works. Hope that helps. Cheers Laurent -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Ostel: encrypted phone calls
The article mentioned that the order for the dragnet came from the FISA court. Doesn't electronic surveillance of agents that do not belong to foreign entities exceed the legal jurisdiction of the FISA court? On 6 June 2013 00:02, Michael Carbone mich...@accessnow.org wrote: Now is a great time to push OStel further out, as clear evidence that the NSA is scooping up all noncontent cellphone data (including domestic-domestic) is hitting the news: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order Michael On Jun 5, 2013 6:03 PM, Nathan of Guardian nat...@guardianproject.info wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/05/2013 02:25 PM, Mark Belinsky wrote: When we initially developed ostel.me it used freeswitch but we've moved away from it to allow for better federation. Ostel.co is a new implementation of the open secure telephony network (ostn) standard If you want to track the open-source project behind OStel, you can find on the project tracker[0] and post questions on the guardian-dev list [1]. As Mark mentioned, this is our second go around at creating an Open Secure/Source/Standards Telephony Network [2] service, this time based on the popular+powerful Kamalio [3] SIP server. Soon, we will have all the information posted on how to run your own instance too. We previously documented how to do this with our v1 Freeswitch-based cookbook [4]. After all, we still believe in things like standards, federation and the ability to run your own servers, because, well, that is what the Internet is made of. +n [0] OStel Project Tracker: https://dev.guardianproject.info/projects/ostel [1] Guardian-dev Mailing List: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/admin/guardian-dev [2] OSTN Project Overview: https://guardianproject.info/wiki/OSTN [3] Kamailio: http://www.kamailio.org/w/ [4] DEPRECATED: Run your own OSTN node: https://guardianproject.info/wiki/OSTN_cookbook -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRr7WdAAoJEKgBGD5ps3qpOswP/RuA6id38QvnUUVxiSpncUxc uwmPo/DtytirKakI+ZZSeAcN0NFTaExIemye/+QLZUBhGr03O3dwG3KlRYt4ztI3 yHk8knWK6CUH3vZqluZdB4dX9EWPET0rh+Makf8Qxhzv7F9zIVMk+2CgoPSex078 MEwXPY7+d7rq3XwwAQHLpjMXxU3J9FXdljRiULr9XyEcTwH7i7T2JzHDx3B9BHE2 5Mqrsaylm9RkkKUuIBLwrOpp8vxGT3Y5qwHQSo0LWIwMi8zm60ScG61eB7xpVmS6 wXrqwb2Gs/ay66yexgJ9A05GYiodE3KDvIUB3Aa9Eu34zzQ0vyS9EGJhKWpEyaqm YsLy9MezpmC3hkVLFHOawoN9BjRivX4KTnyvdPjDV621HoJO5r8qmnbrZKha7jio tNiYLq+bwFabU2DSP4f1k67S2CG0t5IktuLAg2Ckfrg0g3NxfnDT4Q2CANr6h7SC Pryx5+BAebpu4J/Pv1iiBTx7uefrwXYltx2jxF6YoAHnnu6jiJjzvIfAwrvuXNq9 bnsO8TvYFzzPA+i2237WiUvSvOQxjQQQEM4OROJ75VZ9V41ONVy2ndZq8AJmH9dL RhaKJNfr5sXdY3yOSWr3ohUH58hDWR0glaUyt8n6Z47uJVWHJr/whnyAD7YCTvf2 zyJLnld3E5C+/aajioma =NqX3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Airline Shutdown Because of Loss of Internet Service?
One thing that comes to mind right away is that more more companies are replacing private-circuit based WANs by Internet-VPNs, thus, when the Internet is down, their network is down; even more, if they depend on any SaaS (from Salesforce.com for CRM to Maximo for Asset management), or, in general, XaaS (AWS, Rackspace, etc.), for critical business systems, a fast-growing trend, the Internet is their backbone. On Jun 6, 2013 2:45 AM, michael gurstein gurst...@gmail.com wrote: This is probably not a Liberation issue directly but I'm not sure where else to address it... Sunday I was flying (Porter Airlines--small short hop Canadian carrier) from NYC to Ottawa, ON with a plane change in Toronto. When we arrived in Toronto we were informed that because the Internet was down planes were not able to land or depart. The company's service was completely shut down for roughly 4 hours until the Internet service was restored (presumably by their ISP). I understand that other airlines have had similar experiences recently. My question... how exactly is Internet service so intertwined with flight operations that service can function only if the Internet is operational? (And I guess the Liberation angle... if this is now pervasive for all airlines what is the hackable element of all this and where are the points of vulnerability etc.etc.? M -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] NSA, FBI, Verizon caught red handed spying on US citizens in the US
Dear Libtech, We've waited a long time for this kind of FISA court document to leak - we see clearly evidence that there is still dragnet surveillance that is ongoing - the current order leaked is still valid as of today, it will continue to be valid until the middle of July. This specifically includes Americans without any international or even inter-city connections! To quote: wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls It specifically says a lot more: TOP SECRET//SI//NOFORN Declassify on: 12 April 2038 ... IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that, the Custodian of Records shall produce to the National Security Agency (NSA) upon service of this Order, and continue production on an ongoing daily basis thereafter for the duration of this Order, unless otherwise ordered by the Court, an electronic copy of the following tangible things: all call detail records or telephony metadata created by Verizon for communications (i) between the United States and abroad; or (ii) wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls. This Order does not require Verizon to produce telephony metadata for communications wholly originating and terminating in foreign countries. Telephony metadata includes comprehensive communications routing information,. including but not limited to session identifying information (e.g., originating and terminating telephone number, International Mobile Subscriber Identity (IMSI) number, International Mobile station Equipment Identity (IMEI) number, etc.), trunk identifier, telephone calling card numbers, and time and duration of call. Telephony metadata does not include the substantive content of any communication, as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 2510(8), or the name, address, or financial information of a subscriber or customer. The leaked order is here: https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/709012/verizon.pdf The writeup by Glenn Greenwald is worth reading as he broke the story: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order This pretty much settles the dragnet surveillance debate - the FBI, the NSA, the FISA courts are aware of it - all the way to the top. Thus it is likely the DoJ are all in on it. This is madness and it is exactly proof of what we have been saying for years. This time it is undeniable as it is signed by a FISA judge and it is *currently* happening. I look forward to the FISA order for full content or the FISA for targeted based on patterns to leak next! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] NSA, FBI, Verizon caught red handed spying on US citizens in the US
OK, so the US government has no business, or rather no moral authority, chiding other countries about freedom of speech! On Jun 6, 2013 6:10 AM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Dear Libtech, We've waited a long time for this kind of FISA court document to leak - we see clearly evidence that there is still dragnet surveillance that is ongoing - the current order leaked is still valid as of today, it will continue to be valid until the middle of July. This specifically includes Americans without any international or even inter-city connections! To quote: wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls It specifically says a lot more: TOP SECRET//SI//NOFORN Declassify on: 12 April 2038 ... IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that, the Custodian of Records shall produce to the National Security Agency (NSA) upon service of this Order, and continue production on an ongoing daily basis thereafter for the duration of this Order, unless otherwise ordered by the Court, an electronic copy of the following tangible things: all call detail records or telephony metadata created by Verizon for communications (i) between the United States and abroad; or (ii) wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls. This Order does not require Verizon to produce telephony metadata for communications wholly originating and terminating in foreign countries. Telephony metadata includes comprehensive communications routing information,. including but not limited to session identifying information (e.g., originating and terminating telephone number, International Mobile Subscriber Identity (IMSI) number, International Mobile station Equipment Identity (IMEI) number, etc.), trunk identifier, telephone calling card numbers, and time and duration of call. Telephony metadata does not include the substantive content of any communication, as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 2510(8), or the name, address, or financial information of a subscriber or customer. The leaked order is here: https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/709012/verizon.pdf The writeup by Glenn Greenwald is worth reading as he broke the story: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order This pretty much settles the dragnet surveillance debate - the FBI, the NSA, the FISA courts are aware of it - all the way to the top. Thus it is likely the DoJ are all in on it. This is madness and it is exactly proof of what we have been saying for years. This time it is undeniable as it is signed by a FISA judge and it is *currently* happening. I look forward to the FISA order for full content or the FISA for targeted based on patterns to leak next! All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Airline Shutdown Because of Loss of Internet Service?
On 06/06/2013 03:45 AM, michael gurstein wrote: This is probably not a Liberation issue directly but I'm not sure where else to address it... Sunday I was flying (Porter Airlines--small short hop Canadian carrier) from NYC to Ottawa, ON with a plane change in Toronto. When we arrived in Toronto we were informed that because the Internet was down planes were not able to land or depart. The company's service was completely shut down for roughly 4 hours until the Internet service was restored (presumably by their ISP). I understand that other airlines have had similar experiences recently. My question... how exactly is Internet service so intertwined with flight operations that service can function only if the Internet is operational? (And I guess the Liberation angle... if this is now pervasive for all airlines what is the hackable element of all this and where are the points of vulnerability etc.etc.? This one is easy. Logistics. Airlines have enormous optimization routines mapping planes, crews and passengers to flights. This allows them to shave off overhead and make a profit. If the network is down, they won't know who should fly where. M -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Airline Shutdown Because of Loss of Internet Service?
Thanks Richard and this runs on the open Internet? M -Original Message- From: liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu [mailto:liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Brooks Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 10:00 AM To: liberationtech Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Airline Shutdown Because of Loss of Internet Service? On 06/06/2013 03:45 AM, michael gurstein wrote: This is probably not a Liberation issue directly but I'm not sure where else to address it... Sunday I was flying (Porter Airlines--small short hop Canadian carrier) from NYC to Ottawa, ON with a plane change in Toronto. When we arrived in Toronto we were informed that because the Internet was down planes were not able to land or depart. The company's service was completely shut down for roughly 4 hours until the Internet service was restored (presumably by their ISP). I understand that other airlines have had similar experiences recently. My question... how exactly is Internet service so intertwined with flight operations that service can function only if the Internet is operational? (And I guess the Liberation angle... if this is now pervasive for all airlines what is the hackable element of all this and where are the points of vulnerability etc.etc.? This one is easy. Logistics. Airlines have enormous optimization routines mapping planes, crews and passengers to flights. This allows them to shave off overhead and make a profit. If the network is down, they won't know who should fly where. M -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] An interesting (new?) browser behavior this morning
Whever I use my imagination to create a URL in the browser bar, especially those with human names (e.g., jessejames.com, joesdining.com — the latter I *know* exists) I receive a browser error Safari cannot open the page because the server cannot be found. Is this a coincidence due to my odd imagination in URL names? [END] -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Airline Shutdown Because of Loss of Internet Service?
You could do it with leased lines, but (a) given cost pressures on airlines, they might choose other options, and (b) as noted earlier, the information was likely filtered through some non-technical folks and this was their understanding of a slightly different problem (network is down - Internet is down or similar). On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Richard Brooks r...@acm.org wrote: On 06/06/2013 10:50 AM, michael gurstein wrote: Thanks Richard and this runs on the open Internet? M Don't know the details about how they communicate from the end points to the back-end, but it is easy to assume that it relies on Internet infrastructure at some point in some way. I would find it hard to imagine other configurations. -Original Message- From: liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu [mailto:liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Brooks Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 10:00 AM To: liberationtech Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Airline Shutdown Because of Loss of Internet Service? On 06/06/2013 03:45 AM, michael gurstein wrote: This is probably not a Liberation issue directly but I'm not sure where else to address it... Sunday I was flying (Porter Airlines--small short hop Canadian carrier) from NYC to Ottawa, ON with a plane change in Toronto. When we arrived in Toronto we were informed that because the Internet was down planes were not able to land or depart. The company's service was completely shut down for roughly 4 hours until the Internet service was restored (presumably by their ISP). I understand that other airlines have had similar experiences recently. My question... how exactly is Internet service so intertwined with flight operations that service can function only if the Internet is operational? (And I guess the Liberation angle... if this is now pervasive for all airlines what is the hackable element of all this and where are the points of vulnerability etc.etc.? This one is easy. Logistics. Airlines have enormous optimization routines mapping planes, crews and passengers to flights. This allows them to shave off overhead and make a profit. If the network is down, they won't know who should fly where. M -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] An interesting (new?) browser behavior this morning
That sounds more likely to be a bog-standard local DNS or network issue, depending on where you're connecting from. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Albo P. Fossa a...@apfwebs.com wrote: Whever I use my imagination to create a URL in the browser bar, especially those with human names (e.g., jessejames.com, joesdining.com — the latter I *know* exists) I receive a browser error Safari cannot open the page because the server cannot be found. Is this a coincidence due to my odd imagination in URL names? [END] -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] NSA, FBI, Verizon caught red handed spying on US citizens in the US
No, it's really not - there are parts of the US gov (and VZ - I work there and I feel the same way about all this as anyone here) that oppose this type of blanket surveillance of an entire society. And if you think everyone in the government is monolithic about foreign policy, well, then there's a lot more reading you should probably do. I wish it were a little *more* fractured, personally, to avoid some of the more egregious bits we've seen over the last couple of centuries, but just because a side wins doesn't mean everyone is on board. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Well, of course! I couldn't agree more with the underlying beliefs of Shava Nerad. BUT Government IS MONOLITHIC when it comes to FOREIGN POLICY ACTIONS, and INTERNAL SURVEILLANCE OF ITS OWN CITIZENS. There's no grey area in a WAR, there's no grey area in the FISA memo leaked, there's no grey area in the NSA and FBI's Directives from the Executive Branch. The US Buck stops at Obama, Obama is to blame for this crap, in the same fashion, for example, that the Turkish PM is to blame for the repressive atrocities in response to peaceful protests by turkuaz people. That doesn't stop the rest of us to celebrate FESTIVUS and keep on pounding at all those individuals and then some more that Shava Nerad points out. Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Shava Nerad shav...@gmail.com wrote: The US government -- nor most any government, I imagine (certainly any democracy) -- is not monolithic. It represents a great struggle of policy arguments and internally is more like a mass of mating snakes than a monolithic front. To say that because the NSA is spying on citizens invalidates any voice the US may have is a bit odd. Jake and I are US citizens, activists, and I am a former State Democratic Committee member. Jake's day job is partly government funded by parts of .gov that are in fact in open conflict with DHS policies domestically. It's no secret that there are conflicts between the policies set by different branches of the US government. WE ARE NOT A DICTATORSHIP. Yet. Someone last week told me with some heat that my former position as a Democratic Party operative means I am the sort of person (contrary to the evidence of his senses) who does not talk to him because it makes me a right-leaning (!) ruling elite! (My father was a wobbly organizer as a young man, my grandfather a syndicalist -- let's say I am not terribly right wing?) I think I will frame that one... My point being, in a democratic society, we all have power to exert influence into the process at various levels, and I expect everyone here is on this list because they do or aspire to. So the first step might be to abandon the model that the government exists, any more than a school of herring exists. They tend to move as a whole, eh? But there is no solid thing. In fact, government is less whole than a school of fish, because a school of fish is coded in DNA and neurotransmitters and instinct. Not so, government. Government is a slow stubborn thing because it is so large and powerful viewed as the forest -- huge inertia! But the trees are not so hard. Elected officials, staff, policies, laws, courts, communications channels, media, regulations, contractors, bureaucrats, elections, political parties, everywhere there's a place to communicate, exchange influence/money, you can insert yourself into the system. It is not monolithic. In a democracy, by its nature, the citizenry are the rightful rulers. When they aren't cruising kittens on youtube, amiright? ;) So I post this story on G+ and most of my fellow citizens won't give a damn because they've been sold on the idea that: --- Government is monolithic, what could I do anyway? Politics is dirty. Only bad people get involved. I would not want to be a politician, activist, or hactivist, those are all bad, dangerous people. I click on internet petitions. I never have to leave the comfort and safety of my ergonomic chair to save the world. My karma is good and I give money to various liberal or conervative appeals and sleep well at night. People who ask me to be politically active seem frustrated and uncool. They should take more soma. Kittens are kwai! --- Yes, we are working on it here. That these documents are leaked and published is evidence of that, if you think about it, rather than just reacting to it. Yrs, Shava Nerad shav...@gmail.com On Jun 6, 2013 8:36 AM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: OK, so the US government has no business, or rather no moral authority, chiding other countries about freedom of speech! On Jun 6, 2013 6:10 AM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Dear Libtech, We've waited a long time for
Re: [liberationtech] NSA, FBI, Verizon caught red handed spying on US citizens in the US
Is there an online catalog of all those technologies? This is extremely important for anyone contemplating civil disobedience actions, or even just being very vocal about stuff that is wrong with this country and others. I have the feeling that usability experts are needed to make those techs more palatable, fool-proof, and user-friendly to use, just like a Mac! :D (I hate saying that, but what can I say, it's the truth! even though Apple allegedly has 140,000,000,000 in cash (foreign accounts, of course to avoid Uncle Sam's taxation rules) Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Anthony Papillion anth...@cajuntechie.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/06/2013 06:07 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Dear Libtech, We've waited a long time for this kind of FISA court document to leak - we see clearly evidence that there is still dragnet surveillance that is ongoing - the current order leaked is still valid as of today, it will continue to be valid until the middle of July. This specifically includes Americans without any international or even inter-city connections! If anyone was still on the fence about this issue, this document shows that we simply cannot rely on the courts, secret or otherwise, to protect us from an out of control government. It's up to us to protect ourselves and, thankfully, we have the technology to do just that. It's our use of software like Tor, GnuPG, OTR, and various voice conversation encryption technologies that will save us from this kind of surveillance, not a court, president, or congress. It's time we get militant about using technology to defend ourselves. The time for real, concrete, action has long since come. Anthony - -- Anthony Papillion Phone: 1.918.533.9699 SIP: sip:cajuntec...@iptel.org iNum:+883510008360912 XMPP:cypherpun...@jit.si www.cajuntechie.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJRsMpAAAoJEAKK33RTsEsV7s0P/joy0Uh27CZhCTRJWJ+h9X1Z 3hogBfGRdleA5bgABcbR4aO69bAfnSpodbd/WUEryjdSOdGraMgzg+1otqGS4+kr 60q2QwQbVNJ6ELy5sWaIImvlqq1r4F3RctpaEokGeSD2bWfl3lEA3lBHWRX3z/AJ +sDcWpob03o0otuu4zuooMhIoFMe5qBJR6KWP7bSKcWhXuZZSI9cM1PXoc6OZWzT R8tp/SAvHK6YpYj+q0Q0C9N9zBENI/txAq/PiJg7M4+Q4T1xhuwN1XGaD7gjcLfw 7HSz9MHuvLu6dRGXZzdXtcnzVVdnbo0mBt0yWtm4yqOJtDm1n5pynwfTZdSgZwYk CGZJEiyrNg/IDj6nhJbZ6HeOTNHiExmC9vp3b1ST2cdBqWDe0Gdewdbup/NiXw8G GOKfLNlF+WpKN9JlW1npSSrGs5IJreuwvXz1uvKGeXxaliXk9zks2y1gZiOio8e3 iIeCLhF5M2vaz+tMqei1GaLq3PALep1m1C/fz8RcUBlNgu1z1q4KVBTk/VhyHxQK opbsQuVXvyj/7RN0COnOKKKN9nohry5hX4vvVTMKUHv1aVnVKU33pmGPsHYqEZLa kptAkJ5cLGv7c0nUgudqJGy8S3T0gPW/EijIeAzrtKBR/QBTyaB1dIbyUl5GeHrj nCeGmlHHxBwHw+zpUQDD =K8ST -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Why Metadata Matters
It is quite believable in court, where it really matters! :D Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.com wrote: I see a lot of people wondering why metadata matters. But they don't know *what* you're doing there! So I'll give a short example to illustrate how metadata can be used to not only determine who someone is talking to, but also to invade their privacy and uncover the most intimate details of their life. Jane is at 16th L Street for an hour. Carla is at 16th L Street for four hours. She's had a short visit previously. James is at 16th L Street for twenty minutes. He comes back at the same time every week. Kris is at 16th L Street for ten hours. Rick is at 16th L Street for eight hours every night. Samantha has been there for three days and four hours. 16th L Street is the address of a Planned Parenthood in Washington, DC. Jane is having a physical. Carla is having an abortion. James receives his medication there. By visit time, location, and frequency, he is likely a trans guy. If his appointments were every two weeks, the metadata would indicate that James is a trans woman. Kris is protesting there. Rick works in an office in the same building. Samantha dropped her phone in the Farragut West Metro Station and has been looking for it ever since. And that's just location data. If one calls a physician every day, perhaps they have a major medical problem. If a crime happens on the other side of town, and you suddenly start calling attorneys... did you do it? There are numerous explanations for either of those scenarios, but this kind of metadata in isolation can be used to tell almost any story you want. Stay safe out there. best, Griffin Boyce -- Technical Program Associate, Open Technology Institute #Foucault / PGP: 0xAE792C97 / OTR: sa...@jabber.ccc.de -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] NSA, FBI, Verizon caught red handed spying on US citizens in the US
When I said MONOLITHIC I wasn't referring to all departments or agencies inside government, or even less to individuals working therein, but rather to the effect. If the US government starts a war, it doesn't matter if 49.99% opposed it. It's still going on and people get killed. For those people, and their circles, the US government is MONOLITHIC. If a person residing in the US, Verizon's customer, gets detained by the FBI, and subsequently harrassed and disappears, for all affected the Government is MONOLITHIC. A single shot, and bang: you're dead (or, worse yet, being killed however softly they choose) It's like binary code: either ONE or ZERO. No grey zone. Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes alps6...@gmail.com wrote: Is there an online catalog of all those technologies? This is extremely important for anyone contemplating civil disobedience actions, or even just being very vocal about stuff that is wrong with this country and others. I have the feeling that usability experts are needed to make those techs more palatable, fool-proof, and user-friendly to use, just like a Mac! :D (I hate saying that, but what can I say, it's the truth! even though Apple allegedly has 140,000,000,000 in cash (foreign accounts, of course to avoid Uncle Sam's taxation rules) Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes a...@acm.org +1 (817) 271-9619 On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Anthony Papillion anth...@cajuntechie.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/06/2013 06:07 AM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Dear Libtech, We've waited a long time for this kind of FISA court document to leak - we see clearly evidence that there is still dragnet surveillance that is ongoing - the current order leaked is still valid as of today, it will continue to be valid until the middle of July. This specifically includes Americans without any international or even inter-city connections! If anyone was still on the fence about this issue, this document shows that we simply cannot rely on the courts, secret or otherwise, to protect us from an out of control government. It's up to us to protect ourselves and, thankfully, we have the technology to do just that. It's our use of software like Tor, GnuPG, OTR, and various voice conversation encryption technologies that will save us from this kind of surveillance, not a court, president, or congress. It's time we get militant about using technology to defend ourselves. The time for real, concrete, action has long since come. Anthony - -- Anthony Papillion Phone: 1.918.533.9699 SIP: sip:cajuntec...@iptel.org iNum:+883510008360912 XMPP:cypherpun...@jit.si www.cajuntechie.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJRsMpAAAoJEAKK33RTsEsV7s0P/joy0Uh27CZhCTRJWJ+h9X1Z 3hogBfGRdleA5bgABcbR4aO69bAfnSpodbd/WUEryjdSOdGraMgzg+1otqGS4+kr 60q2QwQbVNJ6ELy5sWaIImvlqq1r4F3RctpaEokGeSD2bWfl3lEA3lBHWRX3z/AJ +sDcWpob03o0otuu4zuooMhIoFMe5qBJR6KWP7bSKcWhXuZZSI9cM1PXoc6OZWzT R8tp/SAvHK6YpYj+q0Q0C9N9zBENI/txAq/PiJg7M4+Q4T1xhuwN1XGaD7gjcLfw 7HSz9MHuvLu6dRGXZzdXtcnzVVdnbo0mBt0yWtm4yqOJtDm1n5pynwfTZdSgZwYk CGZJEiyrNg/IDj6nhJbZ6HeOTNHiExmC9vp3b1ST2cdBqWDe0Gdewdbup/NiXw8G GOKfLNlF+WpKN9JlW1npSSrGs5IJreuwvXz1uvKGeXxaliXk9zks2y1gZiOio8e3 iIeCLhF5M2vaz+tMqei1GaLq3PALep1m1C/fz8RcUBlNgu1z1q4KVBTk/VhyHxQK opbsQuVXvyj/7RN0COnOKKKN9nohry5hX4vvVTMKUHv1aVnVKU33pmGPsHYqEZLa kptAkJ5cLGv7c0nUgudqJGy8S3T0gPW/EijIeAzrtKBR/QBTyaB1dIbyUl5GeHrj nCeGmlHHxBwHw+zpUQDD =K8ST -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Why Metadata Matters
Well if there was no privacy-invading information to be gleaned from the metadata then the NSA would not go to such lengths to obtain it. Inherent in the action of obtaining it, is the admission that the metadata is valuable to the NSA to spy on you. Obvious, innit. G. On 06/06/2013 01:44 PM, Griffin Boyce wrote: I see a lot of people wondering why metadata matters. But they don't know *what* you're doing there! So I'll give a short example to illustrate how metadata can be used to not only determine who someone is talking to, but also to invade their privacy and uncover the most intimate details of their life. Jane is at 16th L Street for an hour. Carla is at 16th L Street for four hours. She's had a short visit previously. James is at 16th L Street for twenty minutes. He comes back at the same time every week. Kris is at 16th L Street for ten hours. Rick is at 16th L Street for eight hours every night. Samantha has been there for three days and four hours. 16th L Street is the address of a Planned Parenthood in Washington, DC. Jane is having a physical. Carla is having an abortion. James receives his medication there. By visit time, location, and frequency, he is likely a trans guy. If his appointments were every two weeks, the metadata would indicate that James is a trans woman. Kris is protesting there. Rick works in an office in the same building. Samantha dropped her phone in the Farragut West Metro Station and has been looking for it ever since. And that's just location data. If one calls a physician every day, perhaps they have a major medical problem. If a crime happens on the other side of town, and you suddenly start calling attorneys... did you do it? There are numerous explanations for either of those scenarios, but this kind of metadata in isolation can be used to tell almost any story you want. Stay safe out there. best, Griffin Boyce -- Gustaf Björksten Technology Director Access Now اكسس ناو تونس https://www.accessnow.org GPG ID: 0xFEB3D12A GPG Fingerprint: C10F FC31 B92A 3A32 40A0 1A72 43AC A427 FEB3 D12A -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
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It is really interesting! However, I have some basic and silly questions? 1. How does metadata work? 2. Is there any connection among location data, metadata and big dada? Thanks, Buddha On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.comwrote: I see a lot of people wondering why metadata matters. But they don't know *what* you're doing there! So I'll give a short example to illustrate how metadata can be used to not only determine who someone is talking to, but also to invade their privacy and uncover the most intimate details of their life. Jane is at 16th L Street for an hour. Carla is at 16th L Street for four hours. She's had a short visit previously. James is at 16th L Street for twenty minutes. He comes back at the same time every week. Kris is at 16th L Street for ten hours. Rick is at 16th L Street for eight hours every night. Samantha has been there for three days and four hours. 16th L Street is the address of a Planned Parenthood in Washington, DC. Jane is having a physical. Carla is having an abortion. James receives his medication there. By visit time, location, and frequency, he is likely a trans guy. If his appointments were every two weeks, the metadata would indicate that James is a trans woman. Kris is protesting there. Rick works in an office in the same building. Samantha dropped her phone in the Farragut West Metro Station and has been looking for it ever since. And that's just location data. If one calls a physician every day, perhaps they have a major medical problem. If a crime happens on the other side of town, and you suddenly start calling attorneys... did you do it? There are numerous explanations for either of those scenarios, but this kind of metadata in isolation can be used to tell almost any story you want. Stay safe out there. best, Griffin Boyce -- Technical Program Associate, Open Technology Institute #Foucault / PGP: 0xAE792C97 / OTR: sa...@jabber.ccc.de -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Why Metadata Matters
while it is literally true that the data accessed by the NSA is formally metadata--that is, informational data about the calls rather than the conversations themselves--the distinction is becoming more and more obfuscatory. The whole direction of so-called big data analytics is to see through the metadata into what would, until very recently, have been understood as data. metadata today is both far more informationally rich, and far more analytically useful, than the data/metadata distinction suggests. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.comwrote: I see a lot of people wondering why metadata matters. But they don't know *what* you're doing there! So I'll give a short example to illustrate how metadata can be used to not only determine who someone is talking to, but also to invade their privacy and uncover the most intimate details of their life. Jane is at 16th L Street for an hour. Carla is at 16th L Street for four hours. She's had a short visit previously. James is at 16th L Street for twenty minutes. He comes back at the same time every week. Kris is at 16th L Street for ten hours. Rick is at 16th L Street for eight hours every night. Samantha has been there for three days and four hours. 16th L Street is the address of a Planned Parenthood in Washington, DC. Jane is having a physical. Carla is having an abortion. James receives his medication there. By visit time, location, and frequency, he is likely a trans guy. If his appointments were every two weeks, the metadata would indicate that James is a trans woman. Kris is protesting there. Rick works in an office in the same building. Samantha dropped her phone in the Farragut West Metro Station and has been looking for it ever since. And that's just location data. If one calls a physician every day, perhaps they have a major medical problem. If a crime happens on the other side of town, and you suddenly start calling attorneys... did you do it? There are numerous explanations for either of those scenarios, but this kind of metadata in isolation can be used to tell almost any story you want. Stay safe out there. best, Griffin Boyce -- Technical Program Associate, Open Technology Institute #Foucault / PGP: 0xAE792C97 / OTR: sa...@jabber.ccc.de -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- David Golumbia dgolum...@gmail.com -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Why Metadata Matters
On 06/06/2013 01:39 PM, Buddhadeb Halder wrote: It is really interesting! However, I have some basic and silly questions? 1. How does metadata work? 2. Is there any connection among location data, metadata and big dada? Buddha: 1. Metadata is the information associated with, say, a call, a tweet, a post, whatever. It includes location data, IP address, network names, etc. It's information 'about' the communication but not the contents 'of' the communication. 2. Yes. Government can use metadata to build relationship models, track peoples whereabouts, confirm locations, and a variety of other things. HTH, Anthony -- Anthony Papillion Phone: 1.918.533.9699 SIP: sip:cajuntec...@iptel.org iNum:+883510008360912 XMPP:cypherpun...@jit.si www.cajuntechie.org -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Why Metadata Matters
Even the UN Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Expression made clear why metadata matters in his latest report. Here is my take on his report. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/internet-and-surveillance-UN-makes-the-connection The report is cited in the article http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/RegularSession/Session23/A.HRC.23.40_EN.pdf On 6/6/13 1:44 PM, Griffin Boyce wrote: I see a lot of people wondering why metadata matters. But they don't know *what* you're doing there! So I'll give a short example to illustrate how metadata can be used to not only determine who someone is talking to, but also to invade their privacy and uncover the most intimate details of their life. Jane is at 16th L Street for an hour. Carla is at 16th L Street for four hours. She's had a short visit previously. James is at 16th L Street for twenty minutes. He comes back at the same time every week. Kris is at 16th L Street for ten hours. Rick is at 16th L Street for eight hours every night. Samantha has been there for three days and four hours. 16th L Street is the address of a Planned Parenthood in Washington, DC. Jane is having a physical. Carla is having an abortion. James receives his medication there. By visit time, location, and frequency, he is likely a trans guy. If his appointments were every two weeks, the metadata would indicate that James is a trans woman. Kris is protesting there. Rick works in an office in the same building. Samantha dropped her phone in the Farragut West Metro Station and has been looking for it ever since. And that's just location data. If one calls a physician every day, perhaps they have a major medical problem. If a crime happens on the other side of town, and you suddenly start calling attorneys... did you do it? There are numerous explanations for either of those scenarios, but this kind of metadata in isolation can be used to tell almost any story you want. Stay safe out there. best, Griffin Boyce -- Katitza Rodriguez International Rights Director Electronic Frontier Foundation kati...@eff.org kati...@datos-personales.org (personal email) Please support EFF - Working to protect your digital rights and freedom of speech since 1990 -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Why Metadata Matters
The other point worth keeping in mind is that NSA can keep this data forever (hence the humoungous cyber farm NSA is building in Utah) -- So a decade from now they can check the metadata to see if it fits some theory a paranoid analyst thinks might have happened half a lifetime ago. bp On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.com wrote: I see a lot of people wondering why metadata matters. But they don't know *what* you're doing there! So I'll give a short example to illustrate how metadata can be used to not only determine who someone is talking to, but also to invade their privacy and uncover the most intimate details of their life. Jane is at 16th L Street for an hour. Carla is at 16th L Street for four hours. She's had a short visit previously. James is at 16th L Street for twenty minutes. He comes back at the same time every week. Kris is at 16th L Street for ten hours. Rick is at 16th L Street for eight hours every night. Samantha has been there for three days and four hours. 16th L Street is the address of a Planned Parenthood in Washington, DC. Jane is having a physical. Carla is having an abortion. James receives his medication there. By visit time, location, and frequency, he is likely a trans guy. If his appointments were every two weeks, the metadata would indicate that James is a trans woman. Kris is protesting there. Rick works in an office in the same building. Samantha dropped her phone in the Farragut West Metro Station and has been looking for it ever since. And that's just location data. If one calls a physician every day, perhaps they have a major medical problem. If a crime happens on the other side of town, and you suddenly start calling attorneys... did you do it? There are numerous explanations for either of those scenarios, but this kind of metadata in isolation can be used to tell almost any story you want. Stay safe out there. best, Griffin Boyce -- Technical Program Associate, Open Technology Institute #Foucault / PGP: 0xAE792C97 / OTR: sa...@jabber.ccc.de -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator atcompa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings athttps://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Why Metadata Matters
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm glad someone brought up the NSA datacentre. I was thinking is there any connection to this? How far is it to being finished? Is that public knowledge/possible to find out? It wouldn't warrant this amount of data, which I would expect is pretty small in comparison to the capabilities of this NSA datacentre? Probably too far fetched an idea... On 6 Jun 2013, at 22:27, Bruce Potter at IRF wrote: The other point worth keeping in mind is that NSA can keep this data forever (hence the humoungous cyber farm NSA is building in Utah) -- So a decade from now they can check the metadata to see if it fits some theory a paranoid analyst thinks might have happened half a lifetime ago. bp On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.com wrote: I see a lot of people wondering why metadata matters. But they don't know *what* you're doing there! So I'll give a short example to illustrate how metadata can be used to not only determine who someone is talking to, but also to invade their privacy and uncover the most intimate details of their life. Jane is at 16th L Street for an hour. Carla is at 16th L Street for four hours. She's had a short visit previously. James is at 16th L Street for twenty minutes. He comes back at the same time every week. Kris is at 16th L Street for ten hours. Rick is at 16th L Street for eight hours every night. Samantha has been there for three days and four hours. 16th L Street is the address of a Planned Parenthood in Washington, DC. Jane is having a physical. Carla is having an abortion. James receives his medication there. By visit time, location, and frequency, he is likely a trans guy. If his appointments were every two weeks, the metadata would indicate that James is a trans woman. Kris is protesting there. Rick works in an office in the same building. Samantha dropped her phone in the Farragut West Metro Station and has been looking for it ever since. And that's just location data. If one calls a physician every day, perhaps they have a major medical problem. If a crime happens on the other side of town, and you suddenly start calling attorneys... did you do it? There are numerous explanations for either of those scenarios, but this kind of metadata in isolation can be used to tell almost any story you want. Stay safe out there. best, Griffin Boyce -- Technical Program Associate, Open Technology Institute #Foucault / PGP: 0xAE792C97 / OTR: sa...@jabber.ccc.de -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator atcompa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings athttps://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech - -- Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb IO91XM / www.ei8fdb.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRsQByAAoJENsz1IO7MIrrtAoIAM1H67FVvGHcrlw4PyLXf98z gYr67C3tvIsN1N8knasQjwdeJ7zLtGaoLUYjgQ7JdhdZfaJwWL4ashgBO+KCMbyZ o239wW/m61A3DkhOdq0GLTEGKTBL70EKwX0mAHWrbYkI1hhRfGsGj7QiNqNl1G6f 9IPj8av0IHSMp5VuCKNX4zPuBBgpx/gs+Kiw4Na4JhFcdYIcko2BFa8NgxLYVHiZ FXesc14gWtmbY8tLgjy6k0QzHg6LXmqbpNlKJ5d5rvQYvx6ZoL055lIaLAEI+8JT 0xkuaClw37dUW/63tNjD1LxgsCJQFj0Otuuj+k4CWuB5dssHwN1VMvp07N7txb4= =ojaX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Airline Shutdown Because of Loss of Internet Service?
Is this kind of event an argument against net neutrality? M From: liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu [mailto:liberationtech-boun...@lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 6:05 AM To: liberationtech Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Airline Shutdown Because of Loss of Internet Service? One thing that comes to mind right away is that more more companies are replacing private-circuit based WANs by Internet-VPNs, thus, when the Internet is down, their network is down; even more, if they depend on any SaaS (from Salesforce.com for CRM to Maximo for Asset management), or, in general, XaaS (AWS, Rackspace, etc.), for critical business systems, a fast-growing trend, the Internet is their backbone. On Jun 6, 2013 2:45 AM, michael gurstein gurst...@gmail.com wrote: This is probably not a Liberation issue directly but I'm not sure where else to address it... Sunday I was flying (Porter Airlines--small short hop Canadian carrier) from NYC to Ottawa, ON with a plane change in Toronto. When we arrived in Toronto we were informed that because the Internet was down planes were not able to land or depart. The company's service was completely shut down for roughly 4 hours until the Internet service was restored (presumably by their ISP). I understand that other airlines have had similar experiences recently. My question... how exactly is Internet service so intertwined with flight operations that service can function only if the Internet is operational? (And I guess the Liberation angle... if this is now pervasive for all airlines what is the hackable element of all this and where are the points of vulnerability etc.etc.? M -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Why Metadata Matters
let's just presume that there are parallel arrangements with every other major provider of not just telephony but other forms of electronic communication. and a Google-like persistent shadow copy of whatever parts of the web can be reached. and some neat layers of indexing and categorization metadata of their own. that should bring the disks up to at least 5% full. which definitely leaves no room for a copy of the Bill of Rights (or, for that matter, the Constitution itself). On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb ei8...@ei8fdb.orgwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm glad someone brought up the NSA datacentre. I was thinking is there any connection to this? How far is it to being finished? Is that public knowledge/possible to find out? It wouldn't warrant this amount of data, which I would expect is pretty small in comparison to the capabilities of this NSA datacentre? Probably too far fetched an idea... On 6 Jun 2013, at 22:27, Bruce Potter at IRF wrote: The other point worth keeping in mind is that NSA can keep this data forever (hence the humoungous cyber farm NSA is building in Utah) -- So a decade from now they can check the metadata to see if it fits some theory a paranoid analyst thinks might have happened half a lifetime ago. bp On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.com wrote: I see a lot of people wondering why metadata matters. But they don't know *what* you're doing there! So I'll give a short example to illustrate how metadata can be used to not only determine who someone is talking to, but also to invade their privacy and uncover the most intimate details of their life. Jane is at 16th L Street for an hour. Carla is at 16th L Street for four hours. She's had a short visit previously. James is at 16th L Street for twenty minutes. He comes back at the same time every week. Kris is at 16th L Street for ten hours. Rick is at 16th L Street for eight hours every night. Samantha has been there for three days and four hours. 16th L Street is the address of a Planned Parenthood in Washington, DC. Jane is having a physical. Carla is having an abortion. James receives his medication there. By visit time, location, and frequency, he is likely a trans guy. If his appointments were every two weeks, the metadata would indicate that James is a trans woman. Kris is protesting there. Rick works in an office in the same building. Samantha dropped her phone in the Farragut West Metro Station and has been looking for it ever since. And that's just location data. If one calls a physician every day, perhaps they have a major medical problem. If a crime happens on the other side of town, and you suddenly start calling attorneys... did you do it? There are numerous explanations for either of those scenarios, but this kind of metadata in isolation can be used to tell almost any story you want. Stay safe out there. best, Griffin Boyce -- Technical Program Associate, Open Technology Institute #Foucault / PGP: 0xAE792C97 / OTR: sa...@jabber.ccc.de -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator atcompa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings athttps://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech - -- Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb IO91XM / www.ei8fdb.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRsQByAAoJENsz1IO7MIrrtAoIAM1H67FVvGHcrlw4PyLXf98z gYr67C3tvIsN1N8knasQjwdeJ7zLtGaoLUYjgQ7JdhdZfaJwWL4ashgBO+KCMbyZ o239wW/m61A3DkhOdq0GLTEGKTBL70EKwX0mAHWrbYkI1hhRfGsGj7QiNqNl1G6f 9IPj8av0IHSMp5VuCKNX4zPuBBgpx/gs+Kiw4Na4JhFcdYIcko2BFa8NgxLYVHiZ FXesc14gWtmbY8tLgjy6k0QzHg6LXmqbpNlKJ5d5rvQYvx6ZoL055lIaLAEI+8JT 0xkuaClw37dUW/63tNjD1LxgsCJQFj0Otuuj+k4CWuB5dssHwN1VMvp07N7txb4= =ojaX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- David Golumbia dgolum...@gmail.com -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] Question about otr.js
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I'm thinking about working on a web app that would use otr.js to enable OTR chat via the way (probably similar to Cryptocat). Does anyone know what the security status of otr.js is? Has it been vetted? If not, what is the recommended (vetted) Javascript way of doing OTR? Thanks, Anthony - -- Anthony Papillion Phone: 1.918.533.9699 SIP: sip:cajuntec...@iptel.org iNum:+883510008360912 XMPP:cypherpun...@jit.si www.cajuntechie.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJRsQnEAAoJEAKK33RTsEsVnRgP/j/P7dHAN6zprpsuvv6AiDJs owUWlfaJVT5Iv6IKjUBnG7OcOLImn0yXKv5yUWLpLSSlM3ToozookZCVwQCEOUlS BQ0/r+mvLPXBx86D6tJrhYlrNJP4xmOxG4Mh5Wposf7NphvSo2maoBUxo1attrVo xVulvcHpKWUbdA2oTqn+rhsjX4FvQSUAWEBUHldClIoK2PPL4nfV2OeQAAqBhFj+ uONLMhiMJwqvQSVYSKTtyjnxWJ9dlPEr1VZ9jpKiBNRakY4n0l9DE6wkBWGD4nWw OJDaJcnUegVEXR99jY8jgY0uhUx2wbdGCSIsJppJswGdvgJO1BNjm2/FzcnfHmFs 9+ZVcNuJ7nbPkrJE53/Yyk8TA6qymmGBYIBJ/ocWG9PfaZU2naELs39iSc3qpP2x 0oHxn7pNaEORgLmOF722ufmuvJqC84GsE8QWCdGmicJbJr16jnrv0a/n8lBSysSs aSJ0I4IurK29jnyAIKYYrFBOOcuKKEdaz5Wl4qdlFQ2c0+vAoZU1kXBFV71ZU55a eKfeARw5agwCXhU1iWVdM+63toymnfoC4I8lQQ493EDMgdji4aRbmr8G0zhxqrOx xcA4HipkXfZK7V1s13iI06K7qWYfrFKQdUNvTvzLTdOUZaWL4gHLPheub6WuUzR6 PYJsR6pz5Us7qAs2J7Rp =dBbm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secret ppt reveals
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data WaPo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story_1.html some of the slides (haven't seen the full ppt drop): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/ Participating companies in chronological order: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, YouTube, Skype, AOL, Apple. Dropbox apparently next up. - -- Michael Carbone Manager of Tech Policy Programs Access | https://www.accessnow.org mich...@accessnow.org | PGP: 0x81B7A13E PGP Fingerprint: 25EC 1D0F 2D44 C4F4 5BEF EF83 C471 AD94 81B7 A13E -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRsQujAAoJEDH9usG3Jz33lFoP/1vRZ6qTJhlvShNtfktlSB9x qxlHoFJBu4DV6YzEGPNnshb+hRiTk4iC+bksmBIIvZ5WZVVUUR3japU7QtOMhKtr +YAkxlStumySUBPEyx2t83VDv2d2yYhKxPDELVhs4lxeY+IS1pxN7wv3SulkI5qM 1UciTdL1ok4t9jerWQf/g9wxmWm5GNF7hVHMQu3uI7lYgCIIupoWggj43nGu2dYR CUQ6j+e6H7KpusabNx8DlDujCw1/Pfxb/kkvz5tT9tJfZucZ26sMpjJZTDKWHCfs TITJAUQg0g7eAoh5ehzxGBamjiPwKwXdfomg2QP9f6Rq4WCh2EBsBL0grbMA6K2e Y83J+2oInCdnpxDTvQfk41uFdh2awg7QPrndt9s9XwOY5ShUj+BH4L/6dkGtZG4r iadK/JD7YU5cgI+m4HQab7+b/CSB2P4a+57XP4Hfz7aNYfe+jPjBJbEl46Srnbg2 5xCcgYGJQSoGGvxCDJYLwjZdFo/t7XFspCrfcuIMvKr9njVJgffeW+5qS0czqC9D vaNhS5TQ4O6pXsA2jTpbDyqNN/HbLXCupgLyUq9Kh+dYYUeaavwGQj/CwsMD0SKe CRykJUW1VTtu0BXbT86et47yAldsdYc/fuhnoONWDCP5WOu9he/SXDfQELeyH/KG FRpkJRX7ijLlTySwbbpD =NvtB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Question about otr.js
The status is: [otr.js] hasn't been properly vetted by security researchers. Do not use in life and death situations! https://github.com/arlolra/otr#warning On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Anthony Papillion anth...@cajuntechie.org wrote: I'm thinking about working on a web app that would use otr.js to enable OTR chat via the way (probably similar to Cryptocat). Does anyone know what the security status of otr.js is? Has it been vetted? If not, what is the recommended (vetted) Javascript way of doing OTR? -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Why Metadata Matters
Kate Krauss ka...@critpath.org wrote: Thanks for writing this. Can you quickly post this somewhere I can link to? Or I can post it on the APP blog and link to that-- This is released under a creative commons license, so everyone can feel free to copy it to their blog or mailing list as long as attribution is given. The link to this post on libtech is: https://mailman.stanford.edu/pipermail/liberationtech/2013-June/008647.html (the format is pretty plain though) best, Griffin -- Just another hacker in the City of Spies. #Foucault / PGP: 0xAE792C97 / OTR: sa...@jabber.ccc.de My posts, while frequently amusing, are not representative of the thoughts of my employer. -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Question about otr.js
Speaking as the lead developer for Cryptocat: OTR.js actually has had some vetting. We're keeping it experimental simply due to the experimental nature of web cryptography as a whole. It's a handy library that has had a lot of consideration put into it, but it really depends on your use case and threat model. If you want to use it to keep conversations private in moderate situations, go ahead. If you want to use it to keep conversations private against an authoritarian regime/sprawling surveillance mechanism, think twice. Overall I find it really hard to tell whether it's safe enough without knowing your threat model. For example, if your threat model includes a likelihood of someone backdooring your hardware, pretty much nothing can help you. If you're considering building your own app and using OTR.js as a library, I beseech you to be careful regarding code delivery mechanisms and XSS considerations. Specifically, please use signed browser plugins as a code delivery mechanism and make sure the rest of your app, including outside of OTR.js, is audited against XSS, code injection, and so on. Those kind of threats tend to be far more common than library bugs. NK On 2013-06-06, at 7:49 PM, Steve Weis stevew...@gmail.com wrote: The status is: [otr.js] hasn't been properly vetted by security researchers. Do not use in life and death situations! https://github.com/arlolra/otr#warning On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Anthony Papillion anth...@cajuntechie.org wrote: I'm thinking about working on a web app that would use otr.js to enable OTR chat via the way (probably similar to Cryptocat). Does anyone know what the security status of otr.js is? Has it been vetted? If not, what is the recommended (vetted) Javascript way of doing OTR? -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] NSA, FBI, Verizon caught red handed spying on US citizens in the US
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 12:56:33PM -0500, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: If the US government starts a war, it doesn't matter if 49.99% opposed it. It's still going on and people get killed. For those people, and their circles, the US government is MONOLITHIC. https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/942400_478286445573487_2110837671_n.jpg -- ___ [wil...@trip.sk] [http://trip.sk/wilder/] [talker: ttt.sk 5678] -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secret ppt reveals
On Jun 6, 2013 7:28 PM, Eduardo Robles Elvira edu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello NSA just $20M of budget? The same NSA that is building a data center (for processing what? =) for 869 million USD$ in Maryland? http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/06/06/2129249/nsa-building-860-million-data-center-in-maryland The $20 million figure refers to the budget for the Prism program, not the whole NSA. -tom -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secret ppt reveals
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Still that figures seems awfully small. For whats involved. I've seen telco projects of a fraction the size of something like this costing £10M. Unless they've managed to get the companies to foot the majority of the bill? In that case, why would the companies accept the majority of the costs? Too many questions and too many possibilities for conspiracy theories.. On 7 Jun 2013, at 01:14, Tom Ritter wrote: On Jun 6, 2013 7:28 PM, Eduardo Robles Elvira edu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello NSA just $20M of budget? The same NSA that is building a data center (for processing what? =) for 869 million USD$ in Maryland? http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/06/06/2129249/nsa-building-860-million-data-center-in-maryland The $20 million figure refers to the budget for the Prism program, not the whole NSA. -tom -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech - -- Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb IO91XM / www.ei8fdb.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRsSbLAAoJENsz1IO7MIrrOHgIALc4QgXsSOiUlJeB1YTHDAdI IH1dITgo8Oo2WzWpTg6ky3zG+G0TykJyFvhWRVJdLH7rBEZocL1/tRHX+p3FuiA5 vTWHiDqy1dgUgXuew7OvTpNVaYtWM8aLOkSLGhPVbtVx2N/hGFQbWY+E5NNoYkm6 VIZHjK03ZTcviUQkiXiQxWfWjr/u8MJdMjgNyd8/Sz3pSMdEztQP986G99WGJQ/u 9Pcl6jqWC5rD7XDOull/erknUglq1IVmz7VH/l1GsC/9Xmi1WdQHvKvPgJqebUWv 0jw3wM+eVe17MZuLmtKf6v9NnMid8WkOXybL7C3HgXhbJmPAMWamr3FgC2Zx9N4= =BMwp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secret ppt reveals
It might be that PRISM is merely the end user tool for use by analysts at the NSA, and that the actual gathering of info falls under another program designation, with a much larger budget. PRISM isn't really even that illegal, as long as they discard communications considered to be American. The NSA has been listening to radio signals from all over the world for years, from military bases strategically positioned to pickup radio signals of interest, amongst other types of communication data. This is really just the extension of similar ideas, to a new form of communications, the novel part of the whole thing is that it leverages the fact that so many tech companies are located in the US and that a ton of the internet backbone is run through America. -Andrew On Jun 7, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb ei8...@ei8fdb.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Still that figures seems awfully small. For whats involved. I've seen telco projects of a fraction the size of something like this costing £10M. Unless they've managed to get the companies to foot the majority of the bill? In that case, why would the companies accept the majority of the costs? Too many questions and too many possibilities for conspiracy theories.. On 7 Jun 2013, at 01:14, Tom Ritter wrote: On Jun 6, 2013 7:28 PM, Eduardo Robles Elvira edu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello NSA just $20M of budget? The same NSA that is building a data center (for processing what? =) for 869 million USD$ in Maryland? http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/06/06/2129249/nsa-building-860-million-data-center-in-maryland The $20 million figure refers to the budget for the Prism program, not the whole NSA. -tom -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech - -- Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb IO91XM / www.ei8fdb.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRsSbLAAoJENsz1IO7MIrrOHgIALc4QgXsSOiUlJeB1YTHDAdI IH1dITgo8Oo2WzWpTg6ky3zG+G0TykJyFvhWRVJdLH7rBEZocL1/tRHX+p3FuiA5 vTWHiDqy1dgUgXuew7OvTpNVaYtWM8aLOkSLGhPVbtVx2N/hGFQbWY+E5NNoYkm6 VIZHjK03ZTcviUQkiXiQxWfWjr/u8MJdMjgNyd8/Sz3pSMdEztQP986G99WGJQ/u 9Pcl6jqWC5rD7XDOull/erknUglq1IVmz7VH/l1GsC/9Xmi1WdQHvKvPgJqebUWv 0jw3wM+eVe17MZuLmtKf6v9NnMid8WkOXybL7C3HgXhbJmPAMWamr3FgC2Zx9N4= =BMwp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secret ppt reveals
Of course, I was reading to fast and leaning to heavily on control+f. Anyway, 20 million annually seems like a very low number by the usual standards of efficiency in Department of Defense programs. But the NSA might already have a data storage, processing and query architecture in place that is either not included in this budget or only included on a marginal cost basis. On 6 June 2013 16:45, Peter Eckersley peter.eckers...@gmail.com wrote: Where did you get the $20m budget number from? I can't find it in any of the stories or attached materials. But I could be missing something. On 6 June 2013 16:14, x z xhzh...@gmail.com wrote: doesn't seem real to me. especially the part *direct access to servers*of firms ..., and with an annual budget of measly $20m. 2013/6/6 Michael Carbone mich...@accessnow.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data WaPo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story_1.html some of the slides (haven't seen the full ppt drop): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/ Participating companies in chronological order: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, YouTube, Skype, AOL, Apple. Dropbox apparently next up. - -- Michael Carbone Manager of Tech Policy Programs Access | https://www.accessnow.org mich...@accessnow.org | PGP: 0x81B7A13E PGP Fingerprint: 25EC 1D0F 2D44 C4F4 5BEF EF83 C471 AD94 81B7 A13E -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRsQujAAoJEDH9usG3Jz33lFoP/1vRZ6qTJhlvShNtfktlSB9x qxlHoFJBu4DV6YzEGPNnshb+hRiTk4iC+bksmBIIvZ5WZVVUUR3japU7QtOMhKtr +YAkxlStumySUBPEyx2t83VDv2d2yYhKxPDELVhs4lxeY+IS1pxN7wv3SulkI5qM 1UciTdL1ok4t9jerWQf/g9wxmWm5GNF7hVHMQu3uI7lYgCIIupoWggj43nGu2dYR CUQ6j+e6H7KpusabNx8DlDujCw1/Pfxb/kkvz5tT9tJfZucZ26sMpjJZTDKWHCfs TITJAUQg0g7eAoh5ehzxGBamjiPwKwXdfomg2QP9f6Rq4WCh2EBsBL0grbMA6K2e Y83J+2oInCdnpxDTvQfk41uFdh2awg7QPrndt9s9XwOY5ShUj+BH4L/6dkGtZG4r iadK/JD7YU5cgI+m4HQab7+b/CSB2P4a+57XP4Hfz7aNYfe+jPjBJbEl46Srnbg2 5xCcgYGJQSoGGvxCDJYLwjZdFo/t7XFspCrfcuIMvKr9njVJgffeW+5qS0czqC9D vaNhS5TQ4O6pXsA2jTpbDyqNN/HbLXCupgLyUq9Kh+dYYUeaavwGQj/CwsMD0SKe CRykJUW1VTtu0BXbT86et47yAldsdYc/fuhnoONWDCP5WOu9he/SXDfQELeyH/KG FRpkJRX7ijLlTySwbbpD =NvtB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Peter -- Peter -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secret ppt reveals
Where did you get the $20m budget number from? I can't find it in any of the stories or attached materials. But I could be missing something. On 6 June 2013 16:14, x z xhzh...@gmail.com wrote: doesn't seem real to me. especially the part *direct access to servers*of firms ..., and with an annual budget of measly $20m. 2013/6/6 Michael Carbone mich...@accessnow.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data WaPo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story_1.html some of the slides (haven't seen the full ppt drop): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/ Participating companies in chronological order: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, YouTube, Skype, AOL, Apple. Dropbox apparently next up. - -- Michael Carbone Manager of Tech Policy Programs Access | https://www.accessnow.org mich...@accessnow.org | PGP: 0x81B7A13E PGP Fingerprint: 25EC 1D0F 2D44 C4F4 5BEF EF83 C471 AD94 81B7 A13E -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRsQujAAoJEDH9usG3Jz33lFoP/1vRZ6qTJhlvShNtfktlSB9x qxlHoFJBu4DV6YzEGPNnshb+hRiTk4iC+bksmBIIvZ5WZVVUUR3japU7QtOMhKtr +YAkxlStumySUBPEyx2t83VDv2d2yYhKxPDELVhs4lxeY+IS1pxN7wv3SulkI5qM 1UciTdL1ok4t9jerWQf/g9wxmWm5GNF7hVHMQu3uI7lYgCIIupoWggj43nGu2dYR CUQ6j+e6H7KpusabNx8DlDujCw1/Pfxb/kkvz5tT9tJfZucZ26sMpjJZTDKWHCfs TITJAUQg0g7eAoh5ehzxGBamjiPwKwXdfomg2QP9f6Rq4WCh2EBsBL0grbMA6K2e Y83J+2oInCdnpxDTvQfk41uFdh2awg7QPrndt9s9XwOY5ShUj+BH4L/6dkGtZG4r iadK/JD7YU5cgI+m4HQab7+b/CSB2P4a+57XP4Hfz7aNYfe+jPjBJbEl46Srnbg2 5xCcgYGJQSoGGvxCDJYLwjZdFo/t7XFspCrfcuIMvKr9njVJgffeW+5qS0czqC9D vaNhS5TQ4O6pXsA2jTpbDyqNN/HbLXCupgLyUq9Kh+dYYUeaavwGQj/CwsMD0SKe CRykJUW1VTtu0BXbT86et47yAldsdYc/fuhnoONWDCP5WOu9he/SXDfQELeyH/KG FRpkJRX7ijLlTySwbbpD =NvtB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Peter -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] Why Metadata Matters
Griffen, your example is flawed. The data being reported by Verizon is call duration, not how long someone is at a particular place. So someone with that data could say that Jane made a call from 16th L, but not how she stayed there after the call ended. -- Matt On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Griffin Boyce griffinbo...@gmail.com wrote: I see a lot of people wondering why metadata matters. But they don't know *what* you're doing there! So I'll give a short example to illustrate how metadata can be used to not only determine who someone is talking to, but also to invade their privacy and uncover the most intimate details of their life. Jane is at 16th L Street for an hour. Carla is at 16th L Street for four hours. She's had a short visit previously. James is at 16th L Street for twenty minutes. He comes back at the same time every week. Kris is at 16th L Street for ten hours. Rick is at 16th L Street for eight hours every night. Samantha has been there for three days and four hours. 16th L Street is the address of a Planned Parenthood in Washington, DC. Jane is having a physical. Carla is having an abortion. James receives his medication there. By visit time, location, and frequency, he is likely a trans guy. If his appointments were every two weeks, the metadata would indicate that James is a trans woman. Kris is protesting there. Rick works in an office in the same building. Samantha dropped her phone in the Farragut West Metro Station and has been looking for it ever since. And that's just location data. If one calls a physician every day, perhaps they have a major medical problem. If a crime happens on the other side of town, and you suddenly start calling attorneys... did you do it? There are numerous explanations for either of those scenarios, but this kind of metadata in isolation can be used to tell almost any story you want. Stay safe out there. best, Griffin Boyce -- Technical Program Associate, Open Technology Institute #Foucault / PGP: 0xAE792C97 / OTR: sa...@jabber.ccc.de -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
[liberationtech] Montreal Journalists: Privacy and Security Workshop
Dear LibTech, In case there are any Montreal-based journalists on the list: I just wanted to quickly share that I'm hosting a privacy and operational security workshop for journalists here in Montreal, sponsored by The Link newspaper. https://www.facebook.com/events/167915566718007/ It's all for free, I'm just doing it in light of the insane surveillance news storm this week. Please share if you know someone in Montreal who can benefit! NK -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secret ppt reveals
What surprised me is how Guardian and Washington Post cover this story. The Power Point slides looks laughable to me. Maybe I should interpret direct access to servers of firms as like when I'm typing this email I am also having *a direct access* to Gmail's servers. This either a ploy by some pro-privacy extremist or a prank by somebody who's tired of these hyperbole privacy outcries. 2013/6/6 Peter Eckersley peter.eckers...@gmail.com Of course, I was reading to fast and leaning to heavily on control+f. Anyway, 20 million annually seems like a very low number by the usual standards of efficiency in Department of Defense programs. But the NSA might already have a data storage, processing and query architecture in place that is either not included in this budget or only included on a marginal cost basis. On 6 June 2013 16:45, Peter Eckersley peter.eckers...@gmail.com wrote: Where did you get the $20m budget number from? I can't find it in any of the stories or attached materials. But I could be missing something. On 6 June 2013 16:14, x z xhzh...@gmail.com wrote: doesn't seem real to me. especially the part *direct access to servers * of firms ..., and with an annual budget of measly $20m. 2013/6/6 Michael Carbone mich...@accessnow.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data WaPo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story_1.html some of the slides (haven't seen the full ppt drop): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/ Participating companies in chronological order: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, YouTube, Skype, AOL, Apple. Dropbox apparently next up. - -- Michael Carbone Manager of Tech Policy Programs Access | https://www.accessnow.org mich...@accessnow.org | PGP: 0x81B7A13E PGP Fingerprint: 25EC 1D0F 2D44 C4F4 5BEF EF83 C471 AD94 81B7 A13E -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRsQujAAoJEDH9usG3Jz33lFoP/1vRZ6qTJhlvShNtfktlSB9x qxlHoFJBu4DV6YzEGPNnshb+hRiTk4iC+bksmBIIvZ5WZVVUUR3japU7QtOMhKtr +YAkxlStumySUBPEyx2t83VDv2d2yYhKxPDELVhs4lxeY+IS1pxN7wv3SulkI5qM 1UciTdL1ok4t9jerWQf/g9wxmWm5GNF7hVHMQu3uI7lYgCIIupoWggj43nGu2dYR CUQ6j+e6H7KpusabNx8DlDujCw1/Pfxb/kkvz5tT9tJfZucZ26sMpjJZTDKWHCfs TITJAUQg0g7eAoh5ehzxGBamjiPwKwXdfomg2QP9f6Rq4WCh2EBsBL0grbMA6K2e Y83J+2oInCdnpxDTvQfk41uFdh2awg7QPrndt9s9XwOY5ShUj+BH4L/6dkGtZG4r iadK/JD7YU5cgI+m4HQab7+b/CSB2P4a+57XP4Hfz7aNYfe+jPjBJbEl46Srnbg2 5xCcgYGJQSoGGvxCDJYLwjZdFo/t7XFspCrfcuIMvKr9njVJgffeW+5qS0czqC9D vaNhS5TQ4O6pXsA2jTpbDyqNN/HbLXCupgLyUq9Kh+dYYUeaavwGQj/CwsMD0SKe CRykJUW1VTtu0BXbT86et47yAldsdYc/fuhnoONWDCP5WOu9he/SXDfQELeyH/KG FRpkJRX7ijLlTySwbbpD =NvtB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Peter -- Peter -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
Re: [liberationtech] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secret ppt reveals
There seems to be some confirmation via this statement from the DNI: http://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/191-press-releases-2013/869-dni-statement-on-activities-authorized-under-section-702-of-fisa On Jun 7, 2013, at 4:23 PM, x z xhzh...@gmail.com wrote: What surprised me is how Guardian and Washington Post cover this story. The Power Point slides looks laughable to me. Maybe I should interpret direct access to servers of firms as like when I'm typing this email I am also having a direct access to Gmail's servers. This either a ploy by some pro-privacy extremist or a prank by somebody who's tired of these hyperbole privacy outcries. 2013/6/6 Peter Eckersley peter.eckers...@gmail.com Of course, I was reading to fast and leaning to heavily on control+f. Anyway, 20 million annually seems like a very low number by the usual standards of efficiency in Department of Defense programs. But the NSA might already have a data storage, processing and query architecture in place that is either not included in this budget or only included on a marginal cost basis. On 6 June 2013 16:45, Peter Eckersley peter.eckers...@gmail.com wrote: Where did you get the $20m budget number from? I can't find it in any of the stories or attached materials. But I could be missing something. On 6 June 2013 16:14, x z xhzh...@gmail.com wrote: doesn't seem real to me. especially the part direct access to servers of firms ..., and with an annual budget of measly $20m. 2013/6/6 Michael Carbone mich...@accessnow.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data WaPo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story_1.html some of the slides (haven't seen the full ppt drop): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/ Participating companies in chronological order: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, YouTube, Skype, AOL, Apple. Dropbox apparently next up. - -- Michael Carbone Manager of Tech Policy Programs Access | https://www.accessnow.org mich...@accessnow.org | PGP: 0x81B7A13E PGP Fingerprint: 25EC 1D0F 2D44 C4F4 5BEF EF83 C471 AD94 81B7 A13E -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRsQujAAoJEDH9usG3Jz33lFoP/1vRZ6qTJhlvShNtfktlSB9x qxlHoFJBu4DV6YzEGPNnshb+hRiTk4iC+bksmBIIvZ5WZVVUUR3japU7QtOMhKtr +YAkxlStumySUBPEyx2t83VDv2d2yYhKxPDELVhs4lxeY+IS1pxN7wv3SulkI5qM 1UciTdL1ok4t9jerWQf/g9wxmWm5GNF7hVHMQu3uI7lYgCIIupoWggj43nGu2dYR CUQ6j+e6H7KpusabNx8DlDujCw1/Pfxb/kkvz5tT9tJfZucZ26sMpjJZTDKWHCfs TITJAUQg0g7eAoh5ehzxGBamjiPwKwXdfomg2QP9f6Rq4WCh2EBsBL0grbMA6K2e Y83J+2oInCdnpxDTvQfk41uFdh2awg7QPrndt9s9XwOY5ShUj+BH4L/6dkGtZG4r iadK/JD7YU5cgI+m4HQab7+b/CSB2P4a+57XP4Hfz7aNYfe+jPjBJbEl46Srnbg2 5xCcgYGJQSoGGvxCDJYLwjZdFo/t7XFspCrfcuIMvKr9njVJgffeW+5qS0czqC9D vaNhS5TQ4O6pXsA2jTpbDyqNN/HbLXCupgLyUq9Kh+dYYUeaavwGQj/CwsMD0SKe CRykJUW1VTtu0BXbT86et47yAldsdYc/fuhnoONWDCP5WOu9he/SXDfQELeyH/KG FRpkJRX7ijLlTySwbbpD =NvtB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Peter -- Peter -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
