Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
Eric Spencer writes: [ Mark Post writes:] On 7/22/2010 at 06:19 PM, Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com wrote: Sounds like it will be talking over that private IP network rather than some sort of CP co-processor though, so anything is possible. I didn't see any mention of an IP network, just that it was private. That could mean a lot of things. I think its private as in not visible outside the box(s), its not a part of your ip network in general. it is not proprietary I believe it's using standard ip protocols. The IEDN (intraensemble data network) is a flat, VLAN-aware, 10GbE switched network and you can use IPv4 or IPv6 as you wish. You can, if you want, have the IEDN behind the z196 and bring in all your external network connections into ordinary OSA-Express ports on the z196. In this case, connectivity between the z196 and the IEDN is via OSA-Express ports configured with a special CHPID type (OSX instead of OSD). However, you also have the option to bring your external data network directly into the IEDN via the TOR switch in which case it is the customer's particular responsibility to configure VLANs correctly via the TOR switch and consider firewalling requirements. In case there's any confusion, the other special network is the INMN (intranode management network) and that indeed is private: it connects the HMCs, SEs, zBX (at hardware, firmware and hypervisor level) and CPC (via OSA-Express ports configured as CHPID type OSM) for private chatter of management stuff. It's still IP though (IPv6 link-local, in fact). For more details, see section 7.4 of the IBM zEnterprise System Technical Guide redpiece (SG24-7833). --Malcolm -- Malcolm Beattie Mainframe Systems and Software Business, Europe IBM UK -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
Dave Jones writes: Thanks, Alan, that's what I wanted to knowwe still treat these blades as distributed servers, only they're connected to the z via a secure, fast, internal network. Excellent. But wait, there's more... Once a blade is purchased and entitled to be put in the zBX, as soon as it's put in the zBX it becomes part of the z world. Assuming there's the usual z hardware support in place from IBM, the support immediately changes to 24x7 for the blade, it integrates into the call home mechanism of the box, it's monitored and watched just like any other z component and if anything goes wrong the usual z CE comes out and does the repair/replacement. Similarly, all firmware/hypervisor changes are done via the z HMC in the same way as, for example, channel cards, crypto cards and so on. I've already heard of one customer that's considering adding a zBX to a coupling-facility-only footprint (even though there's going to be no app data connectivity between the z196 and the zBX) purely to get the benefits of moving that level of management of the blade estate into the arena of z technology and z support. Oh, and when the zBX is installed, it doesn't just get dumped at the data centre door by the truck driver (as I'm told some blade chassis arrive)--it counts as z and so the full installation gets done in the same way as other z hardware. --Malcolm -- Malcolm Beattie Mainframe Systems and Software Business, Europe IBM UK -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
I think its private as in not visible outside the box(s), its not a part of your ip network in general. it is not proprietary I believe it's using standard ip protocols. Eric Spencer p:512.241.7313 | f:512.343.9538 Neon Enterprise Software LLC. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:40 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced??? On 7/22/2010 at 06:19 PM, Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com wrote: Sounds like it will be talking over that private IP network rather than some sort of CP co-processor though, so anything is possible. I didn't see any mention of an IP network, just that it was private. That could mean a lot of things. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced
And what's old is new againthere's a water cooled version of the z196. :-) DJ On 07/22/2010 06:38 AM, Jim Elliott wrote: The IBM zEnterprise System has been announced. Check out the web site at http://ibm.com/systems/zenterprise Jim -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
So the biggest announcement of the year, i'm on my second pot of coffee, and there's still only one post about this? Is this a non-event? Dave Jones wrote: And what's old is new againthere's a water cooled version of the z196. :-) DJ On 07/22/2010 06:38 AM, Jim Elliott wrote: The IBM zEnterprise System has been announced. Check out the web site at http://ibm.com/systems/zenterprise Jim -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
Maybe everyone is waiting for the webcast. The name is a little weird. Sounds speedy - what do *you* think about it? Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Barton Robinson Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:33 AM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] IBM zEnterprise System announced??? So the biggest announcement of the year, i'm on my second pot of coffee, and there's still only one post about this? Is this a non-event? Dave Jones wrote: And what's old is new againthere's a water cooled version of the z196. :-) DJ On 07/22/2010 06:38 AM, Jim Elliott wrote: The IBM zEnterprise System has been announced. Check out the web site at http://ibm.com/systems/zenterprise Jim -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
Not the webcast, reading the Redbooks. Best regards, Pieter Harder pieter.har...@brabantwater.nl tel +31-73-6837133 / +31-6-47272537 -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] Namens Marcy Cortes Verzonden: donderdag 22 juli 2010 17:37 Aan: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Onderwerp: Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced??? Maybe everyone is waiting for the webcast. The name is a little weird. Sounds speedy - what do *you* think about it? Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Barton Robinson Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:33 AM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] IBM zEnterprise System announced??? So the biggest announcement of the year, i'm on my second pot of coffee, and there's still only one post about this? Is this a non-event? Dave Jones wrote: And what's old is new againthere's a water cooled version of the z196. :-) DJ On 07/22/2010 06:38 AM, Jim Elliott wrote: The IBM zEnterprise System has been announced. Check out the web site at http://ibm.com/systems/zenterprise Jim -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ Brabant Water N.V. Postbus 1068 5200 BC 's-Hertogenbosch http://www.brabantwater.nl Handelsregister: 16005077 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
Ok, i listened to the announcement too. It does solve a lot of problems. The issue with consolidating windows workloads - this would NOT be done with emulators on z, the cost of an intel emulator is so high (as anyone with a EECS degree should know). So the choice is convert to Linux, but that was not always possible, now we have the blade option that is still managed. Same with AIX I think they are making the z/VM opportunities low key (yes, i did listen to their pitch). I think the opportunities for this system are for z/VM, but they still play like they think everything will be z/os and managed that way. (Does that spell opportunity for a VM software company?) Or maybe they haven't figured out how to make all this work - seems easy using z/vm - we already have the GP/IFLs/zaps/ziips in the same LPAR, seems easy to extend the dispatcher to support some x86 and P processors. All very exciting, lots of performance research fun, the more work on a system, the more important performance, chargeback, operational alerts and capacity planning become. The more sophisticated an environment, the more important something like zPRO is needed. I like Marcy Cortes wrote: Maybe everyone is waiting for the webcast. The name is a little weird. Sounds speedy - what do *you* think about it? Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Barton Robinson Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:33 AM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] IBM zEnterprise System announced??? So the biggest announcement of the year, i'm on my second pot of coffee, and there's still only one post about this? Is this a non-event? Dave Jones wrote: And what's old is new againthere's a water cooled version of the z196. :-) DJ On 07/22/2010 06:38 AM, Jim Elliott wrote: The IBM zEnterprise System has been announced. Check out the web site at http://ibm.com/systems/zenterprise Jim -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
I was expecting more in the x86 area (Windoz, specifically servers) as that is a much needed consolidation area. Or did I miss something? -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Barton Robinson Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:45 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced??? Ok, i listened to the announcement too. It does solve a lot of problems. The issue with consolidating windows workloads - this would NOT be done with emulators on z, the cost of an intel emulator is so high (as anyone with a EECS degree should know). So the choice is convert to Linux, but that was not always possible, now we have the blade option that is still managed. Same with AIX I think they are making the z/VM opportunities low key (yes, i did listen to their pitch). I think the opportunities for this system are for z/VM, but they still play like they think everything will be z/os and managed that way. (Does that spell opportunity for a VM software company?) Or maybe they haven't figured out how to make all this work - seems easy using z/vm - we already have the GP/IFLs/zaps/ziips in the same LPAR, seems easy to extend the dispatcher to support some x86 and P processors. All very exciting, lots of performance research fun, the more work on a system, the more important performance, chargeback, operational alerts and capacity planning become. The more sophisticated an environment, the more important something like zPRO is needed. I like Marcy Cortes wrote: Maybe everyone is waiting for the webcast. The name is a little weird. Sounds speedy - what do *you* think about it? Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Barton Robinson Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:33 AM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] IBM zEnterprise System announced??? So the biggest announcement of the year, i'm on my second pot of coffee, and there's still only one post about this? Is this a non-event? Dave Jones wrote: And what's old is new againthere's a water cooled version of the z196. :-) DJ On 07/22/2010 06:38 AM, Jim Elliott wrote: The IBM zEnterprise System has been announced. Check out the web site at http://ibm.com/systems/zenterprise Jim -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
On Thursday, 07/22/2010 at 11:34 EDT, Barton Robinson bar...@vm1.velocity-software.com wrote: So the biggest announcement of the year, i'm on my second pot of coffee, and there's still only one post about this? Is this a non-event? Kind of hard to talk about the enhancements in support of zEnterprise until folks get up to speed on it, but here are the pending z/VM enhancements. Of interest for zEnterprise (6.1 only): - Support of internal management network and internal customer data network - Support for management using the Universal Resource Manager as a member of an ensemble Of interest to everyone (5.4 and 6.1, except as noted): - Guests can now use secure-key CPACF functions - CP can do XRC timestamping of I/O. This includes support of STP for XRC purposes. - Improved HyperSwap capabilities - Uplink support in VSWITCH. A guest can be defined as the uplink instead of an OSA. A powerful enhancement to enable z-resident firewalls in a VSWITCH configuration, and an important component of the support for the zEnterprise System. - Ability to turn off CP memory management 'reorder' processing - Ability to coalescence empty page frames when needed - Improved SSL server performance and capacity (watch for Red Alert - migration required) - SSL upgrade to use z/OS 1.11 version of System SSL (6.1 only) and support for FIPS (not yet certified) Statements of Direction: - Single System Image with Live Linux Guest Relocation - Common Criteria certification of z/VM 6.1 - Withdrawal of VM TCP/IP DNS server - Withdrawal of the RESOURCE option on VMFINS Enhancements will be delivered September through December. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
On Thursday, 07/22/2010 at 02:03 EDT, Gentry, Stephen stephen.gen...@lafayettelife.com wrote: I was expecting more in the x86 area (Windoz, specifically servers) as that is a much needed consolidation area. Or did I miss something? From the FAQ: Q: Will the zEnterprise System support for Microsoft Windows or IBM i OS operating systems? A: No, Windows [and] i OS are not supported at this time. IBM will initially support AIX, Linux on System x (SOD available 1H 2011) and optimizers through the zBX. Support for additional operating systems will be evaluated over time based on demand from our clients. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
I was expecting more in the x86 area (Windoz, specifically servers) as that is a much needed consolidation area. Or did I miss something? Stephen: The management functions in zBX and URM depend heavily on interfaces to the hypervisor and the operating system. With PowerVM and KVM, and AIX and Linux, those interfaces can be added. With MS Windows, this is a more difficult exercise. We are working on it, but don't expect MS Windows in the ` near term. Jim -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced
And what's old is new againthere's a water cooled version of the z196. :-) Dave: zEnterprise is just following x86 and RISC here. Water is much better at cooling that air and this does improve the environmentals over time. There is a higher up front cost however. Jim -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
Alan, are you trying to make this announcement so totally boring on purpose? Just business as usual? nothing really new and exciting? Is there anything here you could make exciting and explain why someone would care? (faster is just expected, no longer exciting, more memory? no support by z/vm announced) Alan Altmark wrote: On Thursday, 07/22/2010 at 11:34 EDT, Barton Robinson bar...@vm1.velocity-software.com wrote: So the biggest announcement of the year, i'm on my second pot of coffee, and there's still only one post about this? Is this a non-event? Kind of hard to talk about the enhancements in support of zEnterprise until folks get up to speed on it, but here are the pending z/VM enhancements. Of interest for zEnterprise (6.1 only): - Support of internal management network and internal customer data network - Support for management using the Universal Resource Manager as a member of an ensemble Of interest to everyone (5.4 and 6.1, except as noted): - Guests can now use secure-key CPACF functions - CP can do XRC timestamping of I/O. This includes support of STP for XRC purposes. - Improved HyperSwap capabilities - Uplink support in VSWITCH. A guest can be defined as the uplink instead of an OSA. A powerful enhancement to enable z-resident firewalls in a VSWITCH configuration, and an important component of the support for the zEnterprise System. - Ability to turn off CP memory management 'reorder' processing - Ability to coalescence empty page frames when needed - Improved SSL server performance and capacity (watch for Red Alert - migration required) - SSL upgrade to use z/OS 1.11 version of System SSL (6.1 only) and support for FIPS (not yet certified) Statements of Direction: - Single System Image with Live Linux Guest Relocation - Common Criteria certification of z/VM 6.1 - Withdrawal of VM TCP/IP DNS server - Withdrawal of the RESOURCE option on VMFINS Enhancements will be delivered September through December. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 03:11:03PM -0400, Jim Elliott wrote: And what's old is new againthere's a water cooled version of the z196. :-) Dave: zEnterprise is just following x86 and RISC here. Water is much better at cooling that air and this does improve the environmentals over time. There is a higher up front cost however. It's so commonplace I've been looking at a water-cooling system to make my games PC run quieter 8). -- Rodger Donaldsonrodg...@diaspora.gen.nz -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
So true, Barton.nothing to see here...move along :-) I'd like more technical details on how workloads running on zLinux can be integrated with supporting processes running on the blade Linux. can a zLinux process control a blade server Linux process directly and if so, how? Nonetheless, an intriguing announcement for sureit will be interesting to see how the mainstream IT press plays it out. DJ On 07/22/2010 02:26 PM, Barton Robinson wrote: Alan, are you trying to make this announcement so totally boring on purpose? Just business as usual? nothing really new and exciting? Is there anything here you could make exciting and explain why someone would care? (faster is just expected, no longer exciting, more memory? no support by z/vm announced) Alan Altmark wrote: On Thursday, 07/22/2010 at 11:34 EDT, Barton Robinson bar...@vm1.velocity-software.com wrote: So the biggest announcement of the year, i'm on my second pot of coffee, and there's still only one post about this? Is this a non-event? Kind of hard to talk about the enhancements in support of zEnterprise until folks get up to speed on it, but here are the pending z/VM enhancements. Of interest for zEnterprise (6.1 only): - Support of internal management network and internal customer data network - Support for management using the Universal Resource Manager as a member of an ensemble Of interest to everyone (5.4 and 6.1, except as noted): - Guests can now use secure-key CPACF functions - CP can do XRC timestamping of I/O. This includes support of STP for XRC purposes. - Improved HyperSwap capabilities - Uplink support in VSWITCH. A guest can be defined as the uplink instead of an OSA. A powerful enhancement to enable z-resident firewalls in a VSWITCH configuration, and an important component of the support for the zEnterprise System. - Ability to turn off CP memory management 'reorder' processing - Ability to coalescence empty page frames when needed - Improved SSL server performance and capacity (watch for Red Alert - migration required) - SSL upgrade to use z/OS 1.11 version of System SSL (6.1 only) and support for FIPS (not yet certified) Statements of Direction: - Single System Image with Live Linux Guest Relocation - Common Criteria certification of z/VM 6.1 - Withdrawal of VM TCP/IP DNS server - Withdrawal of the RESOURCE option on VMFINS Enhancements will be delivered September through December. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced
On 07/22/2010 02:11 PM, Jim Elliott wrote: And what's old is new againthere's a water cooled version of the z196. :-) Dave: zEnterprise is just following x86 and RISC here. Water is much Which in turn followed the S/370.:-) LOL better at cooling that air and this does improve the environmentals over time. There is a higher up front cost however. Of course water is a better heat conductorit's 800 times denser than air. Jim -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
If the hw+sw combo is cheaper than nehalem intel as the webcast suggested, that is huge. Too many people only look at HW/SW and think that that is TCO because the rest is too difficult to calculate (or they are politically motivated not to count the other stuff). I would think the increased memory and lower costs would make it a great place to consolidate all of your distributed DB2 for example, which probably isn't the best thing to run on VMWARE due to the i/o intensiveness. The zBX stuff is interesting, although I can't think of much we'd do with it at the moment. Of course, it isn't fully baked with a date farther out in the future that the z196 itself. Too bad that SSI couldn't have been a GA anno instead of a SoD :( Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Barton Robinson Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:27 PM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] IBM zEnterprise System announced??? Alan, are you trying to make this announcement so totally boring on purpose? Just business as usual? nothing really new and exciting? Is there anything here you could make exciting and explain why someone would care? (faster is just expected, no longer exciting, more memory? no support by z/vm announced) Alan Altmark wrote: On Thursday, 07/22/2010 at 11:34 EDT, Barton Robinson bar...@vm1.velocity-software.com wrote: So the biggest announcement of the year, i'm on my second pot of coffee, and there's still only one post about this? Is this a non-event? Kind of hard to talk about the enhancements in support of zEnterprise until folks get up to speed on it, but here are the pending z/VM enhancements. Of interest for zEnterprise (6.1 only): - Support of internal management network and internal customer data network - Support for management using the Universal Resource Manager as a member of an ensemble Of interest to everyone (5.4 and 6.1, except as noted): - Guests can now use secure-key CPACF functions - CP can do XRC timestamping of I/O. This includes support of STP for XRC purposes. - Improved HyperSwap capabilities - Uplink support in VSWITCH. A guest can be defined as the uplink instead of an OSA. A powerful enhancement to enable z-resident firewalls in a VSWITCH configuration, and an important component of the support for the zEnterprise System. - Ability to turn off CP memory management 'reorder' processing - Ability to coalescence empty page frames when needed - Improved SSL server performance and capacity (watch for Red Alert - migration required) - SSL upgrade to use z/OS 1.11 version of System SSL (6.1 only) and support for FIPS (not yet certified) Statements of Direction: - Single System Image with Live Linux Guest Relocation - Common Criteria certification of z/VM 6.1 - Withdrawal of VM TCP/IP DNS server - Withdrawal of the RESOURCE option on VMFINS Enhancements will be delivered September through December. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
Oh, by we I meant the linux-390 community. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:26 PM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] IBM zEnterprise System announced??? If the hw+sw combo is cheaper than nehalem intel as the webcast suggested, that is huge. Too many people only look at HW/SW and think that that is TCO because the rest is too difficult to calculate (or they are politically motivated not to count the other stuff). I would think the increased memory and lower costs would make it a great place to consolidate all of your distributed DB2 for example, which probably isn't the best thing to run on VMWARE due to the i/o intensiveness. The zBX stuff is interesting, although I can't think of much we'd do with it at the moment. Of course, it isn't fully baked with a date farther out in the future that the z196 itself. Too bad that SSI couldn't have been a GA anno instead of a SoD :( Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Barton Robinson Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:27 PM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] IBM zEnterprise System announced??? Alan, are you trying to make this announcement so totally boring on purpose? Just business as usual? nothing really new and exciting? Is there anything here you could make exciting and explain why someone would care? (faster is just expected, no longer exciting, more memory? no support by z/vm announced) Alan Altmark wrote: On Thursday, 07/22/2010 at 11:34 EDT, Barton Robinson bar...@vm1.velocity-software.com wrote: So the biggest announcement of the year, i'm on my second pot of coffee, and there's still only one post about this? Is this a non-event? Kind of hard to talk about the enhancements in support of zEnterprise until folks get up to speed on it, but here are the pending z/VM enhancements. Of interest for zEnterprise (6.1 only): - Support of internal management network and internal customer data network - Support for management using the Universal Resource Manager as a member of an ensemble Of interest to everyone (5.4 and 6.1, except as noted): - Guests can now use secure-key CPACF functions - CP can do XRC timestamping of I/O. This includes support of STP for XRC purposes. - Improved HyperSwap capabilities - Uplink support in VSWITCH. A guest can be defined as the uplink instead of an OSA. A powerful enhancement to enable z-resident firewalls in a VSWITCH configuration, and an important component of the support for the zEnterprise System. - Ability to turn off CP memory management 'reorder' processing - Ability to coalescence empty page frames when needed - Improved SSL server performance and capacity (watch for Red Alert - migration required) - SSL upgrade to use z/OS 1.11 version of System SSL (6.1 only) and support for FIPS (not yet certified) Statements of Direction: - Single System Image with Live Linux Guest Relocation - Common Criteria certification of z/VM 6.1 - Withdrawal of VM TCP/IP DNS server - Withdrawal of the RESOURCE option on VMFINS Enhancements will be delivered September through December. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
On 7/22/2010 at 05:29 PM, Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com wrote: Oh, by we I meant the linux-390 community. And here I thought you were going all Royal on us. :) Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
LOL. I was trying to say that to me it seems like the zBX will (at least initially) be directed at adding some functionality (or maybe even offload because of that pesky sw bill issue that ziips and zaaps try to fix) to z/OS only. The Smart Analytics Optimizer is an example of that. One could think of other appliances that might be of use to z/OS. Sounds like it will be talking over that private IP network rather than some sort of CP co-processor though, so anything is possible. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:48 PM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] IBM zEnterprise System announced??? On 7/22/2010 at 05:29 PM, Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com wrote: Oh, by we I meant the linux-390 community. And here I thought you were going all Royal on us. :) Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
On Thursday, 07/22/2010 at 04:58 EDT, Dave Jones d...@vsoft-software.com wrote: So true, Barton.nothing to see here...move along :-) I'd like more technical details on how workloads running on zLinux can be integrated with supporting processes running on the blade Linux. can a zLinux process control a blade server Linux process directly and if so, how? Nonetheless, an intriguing announcement for sureit will be interesting to see how the mainstream IT press plays it out. Marcy is right. Don't think of the zBX as an attached processor - it isn't. It's a BladeCenter with network connections (via internal top of rack switches) to the z196. The Unified Resource Manager controls virtual server [z, p, or x] access to the internal data network. You assign a Linux guest and an AIX image to VLAN 500 are they are now talking to each other. So from a technical point of view, it's hard to tell this from distributed. But from an IT management point of view, the world is vastly different: - A single UI to manage common tasks. - An in-the-box network could eliminate encryption requirements, improving response time and reducing CPU consumption. - Politics. A way different definition of turf. When is Distributed not Distributed? When it's part of zEnterprise. Just some food for thought, even if it is boring. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
Alan wrote: - Politics. A way different definition of turf. When is Distributed not Distributed? When it's part of zEnterprise. What's with the French accent Alan? I thought Altmark was German or Danish or something? But zee Enterprise sounds a lot better than zed Enterprise for sure. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:29 PM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] IBM zEnterprise System announced??? On Thursday, 07/22/2010 at 04:58 EDT, Dave Jones d...@vsoft-software.com wrote: So true, Barton.nothing to see here...move along :-) I'd like more technical details on how workloads running on zLinux can be integrated with supporting processes running on the blade Linux. can a zLinux process control a blade server Linux process directly and if so, how? Nonetheless, an intriguing announcement for sureit will be interesting to see how the mainstream IT press plays it out. Marcy is right. Don't think of the zBX as an attached processor - it isn't. It's a BladeCenter with network connections (via internal top of rack switches) to the z196. The Unified Resource Manager controls virtual server [z, p, or x] access to the internal data network. You assign a Linux guest and an AIX image to VLAN 500 are they are now talking to each other. So from a technical point of view, it's hard to tell this from distributed. But from an IT management point of view, the world is vastly different: - A single UI to manage common tasks. - An in-the-box network could eliminate encryption requirements, improving response time and reducing CPU consumption. - Politics. A way different definition of turf. When is Distributed not Distributed? When it's part of zEnterprise. Just some food for thought, even if it is boring. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
Barton yanking Alans chain ... Where have I seen that before ?. Shane ... On Fri, Jul 23rd, 2010 at 5:26 AM, Barton Robinson wrote: Alan, are you trying to make this announcement so totally boring on purpose? Just business as usual? nothing really new and exciting? Is there anything here you could make exciting and explain why someone would care? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
On 7/22/2010 at 06:19 PM, Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com wrote: Sounds like it will be talking over that private IP network rather than some sort of CP co-processor though, so anything is possible. I didn't see any mention of an IP network, just that it was private. That could mean a lot of things. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
Argh, not SNA I hope! What else could it be? Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:40 PM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] IBM zEnterprise System announced??? On 7/22/2010 at 06:19 PM, Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com wrote: Sounds like it will be talking over that private IP network rather than some sort of CP co-processor though, so anything is possible. I didn't see any mention of an IP network, just that it was private. That could mean a lot of things. Mark Post -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
it's a marketing thing.. we wouldn't understand ;-) Scott Rohling On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Shane G ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote: Barton yanking Alans chain ... Where have I seen that before ?. Shane ... On Fri, Jul 23rd, 2010 at 5:26 AM, Barton Robinson wrote: Alan, are you trying to make this announcement so totally boring on purpose? Just business as usual? nothing really new and exciting? Is there anything here you could make exciting and explain why someone would care? -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
All the bits are now to be OSA connected. Shane ... On Fri, Jul 23rd, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Mark Post wrote: I didn't see any mention of an IP network, just that it was private. That could mean a lot of things. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
Thanks, Alan, that's what I wanted to knowwe still treat these blades as distributed servers, only they're connected to the z via a secure, fast, internal network. Excellent. DJ On 07/22/2010 05:29 PM, Alan Altmark wrote: On Thursday, 07/22/2010 at 04:58 EDT, Dave Jonesd...@vsoft-software.com wrote: So true, Barton.nothing to see here...move along :-) I'd like more technical details on how workloads running on zLinux can be integrated with supporting processes running on the blade Linux. can a zLinux process control a blade server Linux process directly and if so, how? Nonetheless, an intriguing announcement for sureit will be interesting to see how the mainstream IT press plays it out. Marcy is right. Don't think of the zBX as an attached processor - it isn't. It's a BladeCenter with network connections (via internal top of rack switches) to the z196. The Unified Resource Manager controls virtual server [z, p, or x] access to the internal data network. You assign a Linux guest and an AIX image to VLAN 500 are they are now talking to each other. So from a technical point of view, it's hard to tell this from distributed. But from an IT management point of view, the world is vastly different: - A single UI to manage common tasks. - An in-the-box network could eliminate encryption requirements, improving response time and reducing CPU consumption. - Politics. A way different definition of turf. When is Distributed not Distributed? When it's part of zEnterprise. Just some food for thought, even if it is boring. :-) Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/ -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
Nothing new about automated failover/DR? Something GDPS-like running on a beefed-up HMC or on something smaller than another mainframe? Some of us don't have z/OS and would be reluctant to put more eggs in the same basket... -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
Re: IBM zEnterprise System announced???
Argh, not SNA I hope! Well, we *were* consulted... 8-) What else could it be? They wouldn't let me do MOP or DECnet phase IV, so I went home. Boo hoo. -- db PS -- *grin* -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
