Re: Various performance problems
guy keren wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I have a (couple of) client(s) that have performance problems across linux distirbutions. That is - they try an operation on a given platform with a given (redhat both cases) distribution, and get a certain performance. Then they try the same operation on the same hardware with a newer distribution, and get considerably lower performance. In one case, the fast distro is RedHat 7.2, and the slow one is 9. In another I'm not sure what the fast one is, but the slow on is AS 3. I suspect that RedHat screwed something up with their newer kernels (perhaps something incorrectly backported from 2.6?). people have such short memories: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg30749.html (summary - nadav harel, checks why hspell on redhat 9 runs several times slower then on redhat 7.something, and finds that changing the LD_LIBRARY_PATH to use the non-tls libraries solves the problem). That's a very interesting thread I'm wondering -- would I gain a performance boost by making my RH9 always use /lib/i686 instead of /lib/tls? And another question, for the uninitiated (that's me) -- when I try to output $LD_LIBRARY_PATH I get nothing. How can I find out what are the default libraries used by the system? Alon. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL, 012, ECI etc
Shaul Karl wrote: Aren't pon* and plog debian specific? Did I miss the original poster mentioning of the distribution he is using or did he in fact haven't mentioned it? In any case, the distribution one is using is yet one more item that is worth mentioning. The distribution is gentoo. They dial and disconnect using the adsl-start and adsl-stop scripts, as provided with rp-pppoe, and there is /etc/init.d/rppoe script which wraps those two. I will be able to post more data when I'll be at home, and I'm afraid it will happen not sooner than tomorrow evening. Thanks, L. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Various performance problems
Alon Weinstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And another question, for the uninitiated (that's me) -- when I try to output $LD_LIBRARY_PATH I get nothing. How can I find out what are the default libraries used by the system? cat /etc/ld.so.conf See also man 8 ldconfig man 8 ld.so -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Various performance problems
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 09:21:27AM +0200, Alon Weinstein wrote: That's a very interesting thread I'm wondering -- would I gain a performance boost by making my RH9 always use /lib/i686 instead of /lib/tls? Possibly, due to a bug in RH 9's NPTL implementation, IIRC. And another question, for the uninitiated (that's me) -- when I try to output $LD_LIBRARY_PATH I get nothing. How can I find out what are the default libraries used by the system? cat /etc/ld.so.conf, assuming it hasn't been changed since the last time someone ran ldconfig. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ the nucleus of linux oscillates my world - [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Various performance problems
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 09:21:27AM +0200, Alon Weinstein wrote: [snip] And another question, for the uninitiated (that's me) -- when I try to output $LD_LIBRARY_PATH I get nothing. How can I find out what are the default libraries used by the system? RTFM - man ld.so . Basically /etc/ld.so.conf, but somethings (ld.so, libc? I don't know) have other means. E.g. /lib/tls is used but not mentioned either in the file of in the manpage. So I would like more informed people to add (or I will search myself eventually). -- Didi Alon. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Various performance problems
Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 09:21:27AM +0200, Alon Weinstein wrote: cat /etc/ld.so.conf, assuming it hasn't been changed since the last time someone ran ldconfig. Looking at /etc/ld.so.conf: /usr/kerberos/lib /usr/X11R6/lib /usr/lib/qt-3.1/lib /opt/opengroupware.org/Libraries/ix86/linux-gnu/gnu-fd-nil /opt/skyrix/system/Libraries/ix86/linux-gnu/gnu-fd-nil /usr/lib/sane /usr/lib/mysql No tls or i686... greping for either 'tls' or 'i686' in etc/sysconfig or etc/rc.d (I'm just reaching here, not really sure where or if I should be looking) got me nothing. And my questions are (drum roll) : How can I tell which is the default library used? (or is it fixed that RH9 uses tls?) How can I change that default? (perhaps using an ugly hack -- ln -s /lib/i686 /lib/tls ? ;) ) Alon. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Various performance problems
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003, Alon Weinstein wrote about Re: Various performance problems: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg30749.html (summary - nadav harel, checks why hspell on redhat 9 runs several times slower then on redhat 7.something, and finds that changing the LD_LIBRARY_PATH to use the non-tls libraries solves the problem). That's a very interesting thread I'm wondering -- would I gain a performance boost by making my RH9 always use /lib/i686 instead of /lib/tls? I am not sure. Some programs I measured did not exhibit any speedup by using /lib/i686. Apparently (but this is just a guess because I unfortunately did not have the time to follow this up) there is a specific library call or several specific library calls that are extraordinary slow in the tls library, and this slows down programs that use them, but doesn't affect programs which only use these functions rarely. Also, I'm guessing that TLS (thread local storage, NOT transport layer security) is not utter garbage, and is used for *something* - maybe it actually speeds up, not slows down, certain types of programs - presumably programs which use threads in some manner (don't ask me how or why...). And another question, for the uninitiated (that's me) -- when I try to output $LD_LIBRARY_PATH I get nothing. How can I find out what are the default libraries used by the system? Check out /etc/ld.so.conf. Unfortunately, this doesn't tell the whole story, because the tls, i686, i386 variant directory don't appear them. That sort of black-magic (choosing the correct variant) is done somehow by the dynamic linker, in a manner I never fully understood (and never saw documented). -- Nadav Har'El| Tuesday, Dec 16 2003, 21 Kislev 5764 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-790466, ICQ 13349191 |echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx] http://nadav.harel.org.il |sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ADSL Monitoring Crontab
Hi, I have implemented the following Crontab record to monitor my ADSL, and bring it up when it comes done: if ! ping -c 1 -n 192.114.47.250 /dev/null ; then killall -KILL pptp ; logger ADSL connection stopped ; /usr/sbin/adsl-up ; logger ADSL connection started; fi It doesn't work well :(, I get a lot of /bin/sh ping... entries in the process list, consuming a lot of memory. Does anyone have a better solution? Thanks Noam Rathaus CTO Beyond Security Ltd. http://www.securiteam.com To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL Monitoring Crontab
Well, here is a little script I use for adsl monitoring. #!/bin/bash ping -c2 192.115.133.185 if [ $? != 0 ]; then poff -a killall pppd killall pptp rm -rf /var/run/pptp rm -rf /var/lock/LCK..pts_0 sleep 5 /usr/sbin/pptp 10.0.0.138 --quirks BEZEQ_ISRAEL user [EMAIL PROTECTED] persist defaultroute noauth fi I execute it via crontab every 15 min and it works without problems. Try it if you want. Oleg. - Original Message - From: Noam Rathaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:43 AM Subject: ADSL Monitoring Crontab Hi, I have implemented the following Crontab record to monitor my ADSL, and bring it up when it comes done: if ! ping -c 1 -n 192.114.47.250 /dev/null ; then killall -KILL pptp ; logger ADSL connection stopped ; /usr/sbin/adsl-up ; logger ADSL connection started; fi It doesn't work well :(, I get a lot of /bin/sh ping... entries in the process list, consuming a lot of memory. Does anyone have a better solution? Thanks Noam Rathaus CTO Beyond Security Ltd. http://www.securiteam.com == To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL Monitoring Crontab
Hello,
I'm taking another approach: I have a process running, which makes sure
the connection is up every minute. The advantage is that if I don't want
ADSL connection for a while, I can kill a process, not crond.
This script has terrible bash syntax, but it has proven to work well for
over a couple of years, including those days when the connection went
down a few times a day. Only my username has been changed.
Eli
#!/bin/bash
while true; do {
/usr/sbin/pptp 10.0.0.138 user [EMAIL PROTECTED] remotename
10.0.0.138 RELAY_PPP1 defaultroute netmask 255.0.0.0 mtu 1452 mru 1452
noauth lcp-echo-interval 60 lcp-echo-failure 3 nobsdcomp usepeerdns
sleep 60; # One minute is enough to connect...
myPID=`ls /var/run/ppp?.pid`; # Check up
if [ $myPID ]; then {
while [ -f $myPID ]; do { sleep 60; } done;
}
fi;
killall -w pptp
rm -f /var/run/pptp/10.0.0.138
}
done;
Noam Rathaus wrote:
Hi,
I have implemented the following Crontab record to monitor my ADSL, and bring it up
when it comes done:
if ! ping -c 1 -n 192.114.47.250 /dev/null ; then killall -KILL pptp ; logger ADSL
connection stopped ; /usr/sbin/adsl-up ; logger ADSL connection started; fi
It doesn't work well :(, I get a lot of /bin/sh ping... entries in the process list, consuming a lot of memory.
Does anyone have a better solution?
Thanks
Noam Rathaus
CTO
Beyond Security Ltd.
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Re: Various performance problems
guy keren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: people have such short memories: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg30749.html From memory (thanks for reminding, Guy), someone (Mulix?) found this (I just found it on my own, but it does ring a bell) http://kerneltrap.org/comment/reply/1574 Note that Ulrich Drepper says there that Fedora Core 1 and RHEL3 should not have the problem. Shachar says that RHAS3 is slow - question is, whether or not that is the same kernel as RHEL3 uses, and which version Ulrich actually meant (he raises the point of kernel version numbers, then provides benchmarks without any indication of versions...). So in the 7.2 vs 9 case, can the client grab the kernel RPM from Fedora Core 1, rpm -ivh it reboot, and compare again? -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Various performance problems
Perhaps you can try http://www.linuxtested.com/linux_tools.html -EK - Original Message - From: Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Various performance problems Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://kerneltrap.org/comment/reply/1574 Note that Ulrich Drepper says there that Fedora Core 1 and RHEL3 should not have the problem. Shachar says that RHAS3 is slow - question is, whether or not that is the same kernel as RHEL3 uses, and which version Ulrich actually meant (he raises the point of kernel version numbers, then provides benchmarks without any indication of versions...). So in the 7.2 vs 9 case, can the client grab the kernel RPM from Fedora Core 1, rpm -ivh it reboot, and compare again? Eh, it might be more involved. Look at the last posting from Jakub Jelinek in the URL above: Ulrich meant glibc CVS HEAD. Makes sense: NPTL is split between the kernel and glibc. Jakub is, IIRC, the glibc maintainer at Red Hat. The posting is from Nov 5, the latest glibc erratum is from Nov 13, https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-325.html It is not clear from the description if this includes the locking patch. I don't know how dangerous it is to upgrade glibc on RH9 to Fedora's version. I would not do it on a mission-critical machine. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL Monitoring Crontab
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 11:43:53AM +0200, Noam Rathaus wrote: I have implemented the following Crontab record to monitor my ADSL, and bring it up when it comes done: Does anyone have a better solution? I am not using pptp. My point is that with pppoe, persist + maxfail 0 parameters to pppd were suggested here in the past. Works well for me. pptp is on top, or a replacement for pppd, doesn't it? Won't those parameters work for pptp as well? -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. -- George Bernard Shaw (sent by shaulk @ actcom . net . il) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problems with multiplay IP's machine
Hey! I have an IBM xSeries 335 runing redhat 7.3 Till few a days ago all was runing as it cant get better Looks like from it self, a problem started: The machine have many IP's, the main one is configured as eth0 and the others as eth0:0 eth0:1 eth0:2, etc... All the eth0:* won't reply to ping, the main one does reply All the IRC servers runing (even on main IP) after few hours disconnecting the sockets, with the reason "Connection reset by peer" Nothing for the pings when I try to lookup on tcpdump, like they are not getting to the machine BUT process can listen to that IP's and it's posiblle to connect them from the internet No firewall installed\runing Anyone got any idea? Thanks!
Re: ADSL Monitoring Crontab
Shaul Karl wrote: I am not using pptp. My point is that with pppoe, persist + maxfail 0 parameters to pppd were suggested here in the past. Works well for me. I am the one who suggested it, and it seems to work very well for me too. But recently (over the last week) I noticed twice that my ADSL link was flaky at best, and poff/pon (it's a Debian) solved the problem. It might be related to my switch to 2.6test11 (which I did about a month ago, when test9 or so came out), as it (persist + maxfail 0) worked for me for months with 2.4.2x before that, or maybe it's just that Actcom are having a bad week? So I'm following those primitive ping-based monitores to enhance the reliability of my link too. Is anyone aware of issues with ADSL on 2.6test? Cheers, --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Various performance problems
On 16 Dec 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: guy keren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: people have such short memories: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg30749.html From memory (thanks for reminding, Guy), someone (Mulix?) found this (I just found it on my own, but it does ring a bell) http://kerneltrap.org/comment/reply/1574 Note that Ulrich Drepper says there that Fedora Core 1 and RHEL3 should not have the problem. that's not what he was writing. he said that the benchmark should be perfrmed on one of those systems. he didn't say these systems contained the NPTL code from CVS head. get yourself one of those systems, and test. Shachar says that RHAS3 is slow - question is, whether or not that is the same kernel as RHEL3 uses, and which version Ulrich actually meant (he raises the point of kernel version numbers, then provides benchmarks without any indication of versions...). So in the 7.2 vs 9 case, can the client grab the kernel RPM from Fedora Core 1, rpm -ivh it reboot, and compare again? it's not a kernel issue - it's a libraries issue. do read that post again, to see the light ;) and please DON'T suggest that people take binaries frm one distro and install on another - some people on this list will not notice your question mark, thinkthis is the way to go, and find their systems unable to boot any longer. people tend to read what they want see :0 -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Various performance problems
On 16 Dec 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://kerneltrap.org/comment/reply/1574 Note that Ulrich Drepper says there that Fedora Core 1 and RHEL3 should not have the problem. Shachar says that RHAS3 is slow - question is, whether or not that is the same kernel as RHEL3 uses, and which version Ulrich actually meant (he raises the point of kernel version numbers, then provides benchmarks without any indication of versions...). So in the 7.2 vs 9 case, can the client grab the kernel RPM from Fedora Core 1, rpm -ivh it reboot, and compare again? Eh, it might be more involved. Look at the last posting from Jakub Jelinek in the URL above: Ulrich meant glibc CVS HEAD. Makes sense: NPTL is split between the kernel and glibc. Jakub is, IIRC, the glibc maintainer at Red Hat. The posting is from Nov 5, the latest glibc erratum is from Nov 13, https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2003-325.html It is not clear from the description if this includes the locking patch. I don't know how dangerous it is to upgrade glibc on RH9 to Fedora's version. I would not do it on a mission-critical machine. and i would not do it on _any_ system - unless i am realy bored, and want to see what if at work ;) it's fix-able - but what will the user gain from this excersize? -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Various performance problems
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Aaron wrote: I in fact noticed in RH 9.0 hspell and aspell were locking up my system. I was running a lowlatency kernel but found that jack and ardour were slow. I am now running Fedora, in kde and gnome window minimize slowly and maximize slowly. Programs lockup and apt-get takes over to the point where my mouse pointer dissapears for a time. I am wondering if this is just a RH issue or Mandrake and friends also have this problem?? did you _read_ the mentioned post(s)? they give you a direction regarding what to try doing. try running the problematic program using: LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 program parameters... read the posts for the exact command - i might be typing it wrong here, and i have no RH9 to test it on. -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Rss in ps/top
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, moses wrote: Hi all The man page doesn't *really* say what it's .Does anyone know what is the exact meaning of this field - it's hard to belive that rss is the the number if current memory resident in 1024 bytes. I run several examples that show it the man page for rss from http://nscp.upenn.edu/aix4.3html/aixbman/prftungd/memoryuse.htm , which is for AIX, but I guess it might be the same for Linux: RSS Real-memory (resident set) size in kilobytes of the process. This number is equal to the sum of the number of working-segment and code-segment pages in memory times 4. Remember that code-segment pages are shared among all of the currently running instances of the program. If 26 ksh processes are running, only one copy of any given page of the ksh executable would be in memory, but ps would report that code-segment size as part of the RSS of each instance of ksh. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Various performance problems
guy keren wrote: did you _read_ the mentioned post(s)? they give you a direction regarding what to try doing. try running the problematic program using: LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 program parameters... read the posts for the exact command - i might be typing it wrong here, and i have no RH9 to test it on. I think the main part was LD_LIBRARY_PATH=., where . presumably contains the latest compiled CVS of libc. Anyway, it was bleeding-edge developer discussion, not something I'd try with libc on any system unless it was a system I didn't care to reformat and re-install afterwords. --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Rss in ps/top
moses [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi all
The man page doesn't *really* say what it's .Does anyone know what is the exact
meaning of this field - it's hard to belive that rss is the the number if current
memory resident in 1024 bytes. I run several examples that show it
the man page for rss
--
rss the real memory (resident set) size of the process (in 1024 byte
units).
OK, here is *really* what it is ;-)
RSS (resident set size) is the amount of memory mapped in RAM, per
process. There may be unmapped pages, but that is often the first
stage of swapping the page away or discarding it altogether, so this
is not as bad as it sounds.
Neither SIZE nor RSS fields count the page tables or the task_struct
of the process: those occupy at least 12K of memory that is always
resident. SIZE is the virtual size of the process (code+data+stack).
If you are really interested, go to your resident (pun intended)
kernel source tree. The header include/linux/sched.h defines
task_struct and mm_struct that contain the relevant per-process
info. Look at struct task-struct, it contains
struct mm_struct *mm;
and that, in turn, contains
unsigned long rss, total_vm, locked_vm;
Now look at the /proc interface to the per-process memory usage:
/proc/pid/status. Here is my bash:
$ ps
PID TTY TIME CMD
2678 pts/300:00:00 bash
2689 pts/300:00:00 ps
$ egrep ^Vm /proc/2678/status
VmSize: 2580 kB
VmLck: 0 kB
VmRSS: 1400 kB
VmData: 276 kB
VmStk:24 kB
VmExe: 508 kB
VmLib: 1444 kB
This is more detailed than ps or top. VmData is the heap. VmStk is the
stack. VmExe is the statically linked stuff. VmLib is shared
libraries.
All this comes from a function called task_mem() from fs/proc/array.c.
Vm{Size,Lck,RSS} come directly from task_struct-mm as explained
above. Vm{Data,Stk,Exe,Lib} are obtained by traversing the process
vmas that have all the details as flags.
Hope it helps,
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Re: Various performance problems
guy keren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: that's not what he was writing. he said that the benchmark should be perfrmed on one of those systems. he didn't say these systems contained the NPTL code from CVS head. get yourself one of those systems, and test. Sorry, misattributed. Linus did test Fedora and responded to Ulrich ;-) So in the 7.2 vs 9 case, can the client grab the kernel RPM from Fedora Core 1, rpm -ivh it reboot, and compare again? it's not a kernel issue - it's a libraries issue. do read that post again, to see the light ;) I did correct myself in a followup, didn't I? ;-) and please DON'T suggest that people take binaries frm one distro and install on another - some people on this list will not notice your question mark, thinkthis is the way to go, and find their systems unable to boot any longer. people tend to read what they want see :0 The rpm -ivh kernel*.i686.rpm procedure on redhat usually works for me. There is little danger that the system won't boot any longer - the old kernel stays there. Note (you did, this is for the benefit of some people on this list only) that I merely asked if it was feasible in one case out of Shachar's two: the one that does not involve an enterprize-class server. Glibc is trickier, as I mentioned in a followup to myself. Don't try that at work... -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ADSL Monitoring Crontab
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 05:08:36PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might be related to my switch to 2.6test11 (which I did about a month ago, when test9 or so came out), as it (persist + maxfail 0) worked for me for months with 2.4.2x before that, or maybe it's just that Actcom are having a bad week? So I'm following those primitive ping-based monitores to enhance the reliability of my link too. Is anyone aware of issues with ADSL on 2.6test? I am running the 2.6 series for weeks now, perhaps even months. persist + maxfail 0 works fine. Whenever there was a problem, persist + maxfail 0 did their job and tried to reconnect again and again. Calling the support desks of either Bezeq or Actcom revealed that at least one of them is having problems. Yet currently I am only at test9. -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. -- George Bernard Shaw (sent by shaulk @ actcom . net . il) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Various performance problems
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 11:42:49AM +0200, Nadav Har'El wrote: I'm guessing that TLS (thread local storage, NOT transport layer security) Is there any work to remove this name clash? -- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. -- George Bernard Shaw (sent by shaulk @ actcom . net . il) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Various performance problems
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003, Shaul Karl wrote about Re: Various performance problems: On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 11:42:49AM +0200, Nadav Har'El wrote: I'm guessing that TLS (thread local storage, NOT transport layer security) Is there any work to remove this name clash? Yes, the Thread-Local-Storage people were annoyed by this clash, and decided to change their name. The new name they came up was Storing Stuff Locally, or SSL for short. An no, if any one was wondering, the previous paragraph was NOT serious. But the question didn't sound very serious either :) -- Nadav Har'El| Tuesday, Dec 16 2003, 22 Kislev 5764 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Strike not only while the iron is hot, http://nadav.harel.org.il |make the iron hot by striking it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Document managment and workflow
Yishay Mor wrote: wow. not that I have any ideas (other than CVS), but just out of curiosity, what is this for? CVS would be nice if I could get people to use normal editors with normal formats (read *ML) Mainly for myself, and some startups I work with. If you don't find anything existing, I would consider developing it over Zope / Plone. Thats content management. Different ballgame. - Yishay Gil Freund wrote: Hi, I am looking for the following type of system (or components thereof) to run on a Linux or BSD server: 1. Document library a. check in / check out b. versions c. bibliographic data import from sources such as pubmed 2. Workflow a. document revision cycle b. LDAP user identification / authentication Preferably on Apache/PHP/MySQL. Pointers to any system of this type (or part thereof) welcome. -- = Gil Freund Sysnet consulting - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sysnet.co.il voice: +972-52-676906 Fax: +972-8-9356026 = = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Document managment and workflow
Maybe http://subversion.tigris.org/ ? I'm not sure it answers all you requests. You may also want to check this: http://horde.org/chora/ Regards, Lior Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Guides.co.il Come to write at the forums: http://www.guides.co.il/forums - Original Message - From: Gil Freund [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Yishay Mor [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Linux-IL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Document managment and workflow Yishay Mor wrote: wow. not that I have any ideas (other than CVS), but just out of curiosity, what is this for? CVS would be nice if I could get people to use normal editors with normal formats (read *ML) Mainly for myself, and some startups I work with. If you don't find anything existing, I would consider developing it over Zope / Plone. Thats content management. Different ballgame. - Yishay Gil Freund wrote: Hi, I am looking for the following type of system (or components thereof) to run on a Linux or BSD server: 1. Document library a. check in / check out b. versions c. bibliographic data import from sources such as pubmed 2. Workflow a. document revision cycle b. LDAP user identification / authentication Preferably on Apache/PHP/MySQL. Pointers to any system of this type (or part thereof) welcome. -- = Gil Freund Sysnet consulting - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sysnet.co.il voice: +972-52-676906 Fax: +972-8-9356026 = = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Printing hebrew with mozilla
When I am running Mozilla 1.3.1 or 1.4.0 on my Mandrake-9.2 or RH 9-Enterprise WS Partitions, I can print Hebrew pages on any one of my CUPS configured printers, selected from the Mozilla printer selection window: LocalHP930C@:33 [HP930C connected to parallel port 0] SMB-Printer@:33 [HP930C connected to A win95 PC via samba] Tp0@:33 [Hp9330C local, configured with TurboPrint- free] When I run, mozilla 1.4.0 or 1.4.1 on my Fedora-core1 or Debian (Knoppix 3.3 with added Debian applications) partitions, all I can see in the mozilla printer selection window, is: PostScript/default , and the printers output only English. This happens when the printers configuration is the same as on mandrake 9.2. Konqueror, anyway, is printing Hebrew on all partitions, with any of the 3 printers. After reading may papers and mozilla configuration files, I can not find the reason for this behavior. Please help! -- == Pinchas Rosenfeld P.O.Box 307, Ness-ziona, 74103 ISRAEL Phone: +(972) 8 9402910 Fax:+(972) 8 9402081 Mobile: +(972) 54 910537 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printing hebrew with mozilla
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003, Pinchas Rosenfeld wrote about Printing hebrew with mozilla: Please do not send HTML mail to mailing lists. -- Nadav Har'El| Tuesday, Dec 16 2003, 22 Kislev 5764 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Diplomat: A man who always remembers a http://nadav.harel.org.il |woman's birthday but never her age. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Document managment and workflow
Lior Kaplan wrote: Maybe http://subversion.tigris.org/ ? Looks really nice, but is a source code management system (in general) as a document management system? Considering that many documents (MS Office files, PDF and Images) are in binary format, wouldn't that create an unnecessary load in diffing files? Also, CVS (and subversion) seem very good at conflict handling. While this would be a real neat function of a document management system, I doubt that a useful OSS solution exists that can handle propriety binary formats (such as word). We could, for the sake of argument, use RTF, but this format is bloated, and is only slightly more open then word DOCs. I'm not sure it answers all you requests. You may also want to check this: http://horde.org/chora/ Regards, Lior Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Guides.co.il Come to write at the forums: http://www.guides.co.il/forums - Original Message - From: Gil Freund [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Yishay Mor [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Linux-IL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Document managment and workflow Yishay Mor wrote: wow. not that I have any ideas (other than CVS), but just out of curiosity, what is this for? CVS would be nice if I could get people to use normal editors with normal formats (read *ML) Mainly for myself, and some startups I work with. If you don't find anything existing, I would consider developing it over Zope / Plone. Thats content management. Different ballgame. - Yishay Gil Freund wrote: Hi, I am looking for the following type of system (or components thereof) to run on a Linux or BSD server: 1. Document library a. check in / check out b. versions c. bibliographic data import from sources such as pubmed 2. Workflow a. document revision cycle b. LDAP user identification / authentication Preferably on Apache/PHP/MySQL. Pointers to any system of this type (or part thereof) welcome. -- = Gil Freund Sysnet consulting - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sysnet.co.il voice: +972-52-676906 Fax: +972-8-9356026 = = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- = Gil Freund Sysnet consulting - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sysnet.co.il voice: +972-52-676906 Fax: +972-8-9356026 = = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Various performance problems
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: guy keren wrote: did you _read_ the mentioned post(s)? they give you a direction regarding what to try doing. try running the problematic program using: LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 program parameters... read the posts for the exact command - i might be typing it wrong here, and i have no RH9 to test it on. I think the main part was LD_LIBRARY_PATH=., where . presumably contains the latest compiled CVS of libc. for those who did not yet get the clue, please look at the following page: http://www.talkaboutprogramming.com/group/comp.programming.threads/messages/39627.html look at this question, and the first immediate answer (http://www.talkaboutprogramming.com/group/comp.programming.threads/messages/39634.html) Anyway, it was bleeding-edge developer discussion, not something I'd try with libc on any system unless it was a system I didn't care to reformat and re-install afterwords. which is precisely why LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 will _avoid_ using the NPTL threading library (= bleeding edge, very bloody), and cause the dynamic-loader to use the linux-threads library (=older, safer, better tested, good for the user). do yourself a favour, and re-read that page. you _will_ see the light ;) -- guy refusal to thoroughly read information, is futile For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Various performance problems
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: guy keren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: that's not what he was writing. he said that the benchmark should be perfrmed on one of those systems. he didn't say these systems contained the NPTL code from CVS head. get yourself one of those systems, and test. Sorry, misattributed. Linus did test Fedora and responded to Ulrich ;-) what linus did test, was that on the system he was using, _avoiding_ the use of NPTL (via the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 hack) solved the problem. linus was merely interested in making sure this was NOT a linux kernel problem - beacause the linux kernel is his concern, while the NPTL code is somebody else's concern. after he isolated the problem and showed it was not a kernel issue, his work was done. So in the 7.2 vs 9 case, can the client grab the kernel RPM from Fedora Core 1, rpm -ivh it reboot, and compare again? it's not a kernel issue - it's a libraries issue. do read that post again, to see the light ;) I did correct myself in a followup, didn't I? ;-) indeed, but it was important to make sure people don't try doing what your first post suggested, which is why i sent two replies - one for each letter. and please DON'T suggest that people take binaries frm one distro and install on another - some people on this list will notnotice your question mark, thinkthis is the way to go, and find their systems unable to boot any longer. people tend to read what they want see :0 The rpm -ivh kernel*.i686.rpm procedure on redhat usually works for me. ofcourse, when you take the kernel for the same distro for which it is intended, then it should be ok. but taking a kernel that was meant for a _different_ distro, is a bad idea. There is little danger that the system won't boot any longer - the old kernel stays there. unless the new kernel is so incompatible, that it could break the disk's contents, in which case it could cause unfixable problems (that is, unfixable, unless you make a re-install). Glibc is trickier, as I mentioned in a followup to myself. Don't try that at work... but do try the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 method. it causes the system to switch to an _older_ version of the threading library, which does work. -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mozilla Printing
Sorry for mailing this mail in HTML! When I am running Mozilla 1.3.1 or 1.4.0 on my Mandrake-9.2 or RH 9-Enterprise WS Partitions, I can print Hebrew pages on any one of my CUPS configured printers, selected from the Mozilla printer selection window: LocalHP930C@:33 [HP930C connected to parallel port 0] SMB-Printer@:33 [HP930C connected to a win95 PC via samba] Tp0@:33 [Hp9330C local, configured with TurboPrint-free] When I run, mozilla 1.4.0 or 1.4.1 on Fedora-core1 or Knoppix 3.3 with added Debian applications partitions, all I can see in the mozilla printer selection window, is: PostScript/default , and the printers output only English. This happens when the printers configuration is the same as on mandrake 9.2. Konqueror, anyway, is printing Hebrew on all partitions, with any of the 3 printers. After reading may papers and mozilla configuration files, I can not find the reason for this behavior. Please help! Pinchas -- == Pinchas Rosenfeld P.O.Box 307, Ness-ziona, 74103 ISRAEL Phone: +(972) 8 9402910 Fax:+(972) 8 9402081 Mobile: +(972) 54 910537 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Various performance problems
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Alon Weinstein wrote: Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 09:21:27AM +0200, Alon Weinstein wrote: cat /etc/ld.so.conf, assuming it hasn't been changed since the last time someone ran ldconfig. Looking at /etc/ld.so.conf: /usr/kerberos/lib /usr/X11R6/lib /usr/lib/qt-3.1/lib /opt/opengroupware.org/Libraries/ix86/linux-gnu/gnu-fd-nil /opt/skyrix/system/Libraries/ix86/linux-gnu/gnu-fd-nil /usr/lib/sane /usr/lib/mysql No tls or i686... greping for either 'tls' or 'i686' in etc/sysconfig or etc/rc.d (I'm just reaching here, not really sure where or if I should be looking) got me nothing. and in case you missed the previous posts for some reason: you can not know. they made some stupid(?!!?) hacks in glibc, makint it imposible for you to know, as a user, which version of the library is actually in use, other then by writing test programs, stracing programs, etc. so do try running your program with: LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 program parameters... and see what you come up with. How can Ichange that default? (perhaps using an ugly hack -- ln -s /lib/i686 /lib/tls ? ;) ) not sure if this will work - it _could_ be that the dynamic loader expects to find certain symbols (=functions, variables) in the tls libraries, which it does not expect to find in the non-tls libraries, causing your system to break fully and completely (until a rescue operation is performed). you will need to set the 'LD_ASSUME_KERNEL' variable very early during system boot - that will make _most_ processes launched with the non-tls libraries. however, the 'init' process, is launched before any of the system's initialization scripts are launched - and the 'init' process is the process that launches the terminal handler processes (getty, mgetty or similar), and those launch your login shells, etc. and if i were you, i wouldn't have messed up with the launching of the 'init' process, unless i had: 1. a very good idea how to restore the original state, in case of problems. 2. a few hours to spare. 3. the will to write a small C program, that will be launched _in place of_ the regular init program, set the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL environment variable, export it, and then launch the original init program. -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with multiplay IP's machine
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Elad Almadoi wrote: Hey! I have an IBM xSeries 335 runing redhat 7.3 Till few a days ago all was runing as it cant get better Looks like from it self, a problem started: The machine have many IP's, the main one is configured as eth0 and the others as eth0:0 eth0:1 eth0:2, etc... All the eth0:* won't reply to ping, the main one does reply here is an idea: 1. stop using the old way of defining additional IP addresses (i.e. the eth0:* devices). instead, start using the 'ip' command to add addresses (i.e. 'ip addr add AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD/24 dev eth0', change '24' to the proper number of bits that compose your network's netmask). 2. problems don't just start to happen out of the blue. something is causing them. now, drop this saint peter attitude, and try to genuinely think - what _did_ change in the machine's configuration? was it rebooted on the day where the problem started happening? perhaps someone changed a config file a month ago, without checking that it works, and only after a recent reboot or 'service network restart' or a similar operation, the new config file came into effect? 3. All the IRC servers runing (even on main IP) after few hours disconnecting the sockets, with the reason Connection reset by peer Nothing for the pings when I try to lookup on tcpdump, like they are not getting to the machine BUT process can listen to that IP's and it's posiblle to connect them from the internet No firewall installed\runing Anyone got any idea? Thanks! did you try to reboot the machine? did you try to go over the config files and checking for their correctness? even if you think nothing changed at all - check. saying but i didn't change anything, is usually a good way to avoid solving problems. you change soemthing. or someone else with root access changed something. or some process that you are running accepted a change from other devices on the network (i'm not talking about break-ins, rather about a miss-configuration), etc. -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla Printing
maybe mozilla is not compiled with cups support in fedora/debian? When I run, mozilla 1.4.0 or 1.4.1 on Fedora-core1 or Knoppix 3.3 with added Debian applications partitions, all I can see in the mozilla printer selection window, is: PostScript/default , and the printers output only English. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printing hebrew with mozilla
On linux mailing lists you would have a much better chance of getting a reply if you avoid the html mail (don't know about the policy on this list but on most lists its considered offensive). Most (all?) text mail agents don't handle html mails natively and even when I used graphical ones I disabled it for security reasons. I have no idea what you wrote, but guessing from the title you can try using xprint (the version from xprint.org). Worked for me last time I bothered with it. Otherwise there are some scripts that fix the font data in the postscript file. Never managed to get these to work though (never tried very hard either ;-) On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 11:39:33PM +0200, Pinchas Rosenfeld wrote: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN html head meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1 title/title /head body text=#00 bgcolor=#ff p align=left style=margin-bottom: 0in;When I am running Mozilla 1.3.1 or 1.4.0 on my Mandrake-9.2 or RH 9-Enterprise WSbr Partitions, I can print Hebrew pages on any one of my CUPS configured printers,br selected from the Mozilla printer selection window:/p p align=left style=margin-bottom: 0in; font color=#ffua href=mailto:LocalHP930C@:033;LocalHP930C@:33/a/u/fontnbsp; [HP930C connected to parallel port 0] /p p align=left style=margin-bottom: 0in; font color=#ffua href=mailto:SMP-Printer@:033;SMB-Printer@:33/a/u/fontnbsp;nbsp;nbsp; [HP930C connected to A win95 PC via samba]/p p align=left style=margin-bottom: 0in; font color=#ffua href=mailto:Tp0@:033;Tp0@:33/a/u/fontnbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; [Hp9330C local, configured with TurboPrint- free]/p p align=left style=margin-bottom: 0in;br /p p align=left style=margin-bottom: 0in;When I run, mozilla 1.4.0 or 1.4.1 on my Fedora-core1 or Debian (Knoppix 3.3 br with added Debian applications) partitions, all I can see in the mozilla printerbr nbsp;selection window, is: #8220;PostScript/default#8221; , and the printers output only English./p p align=left style=margin-bottom: 0in;This happens when the printers configuration is the same as on mandrake 9.2./p p align=left style=margin-bottom: 0in;Konqueror, anyway, is printing Hebrew on all partitions, with any of the 3 printers./p p align=left style=margin-bottom: 0in;After reading may papers and mozilla configuration files, I can not find the reasonbr for this behavior./p p align=left style=margin-bottom: 0in;Please help!br br /p p align=left style=margin-bottom: 0in;br /p br pre class=moz-signature cols=72-- == Pinchas Rosenfeld P.O.Box 307, Ness-ziona, 74103 ISRAEL Phone: +(972) 8 9402910 Fax:+(972) 8 9402081 Mobile: +(972) 54 910537 Email: a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/a /pre /body /html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Various performance problems
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 02:23:45AM +0200, guy keren wrote: you will need to set the 'LD_ASSUME_KERNEL' variable very early during system boot - that will make _most_ processes launched with the non-tls libraries. however, the 'init' process, is launched before any of the system's initialization scripts are launched - and the 'init' process is the process that launches the terminal handler processes (getty, mgetty or similar), and those launch your login shells, etc. and if i were you, i wouldn't have messed up with the launching of the 'init' process, unless i had: 1. a very good idea how to restore the original state, in case of problems. 2. a few hours to spare. 3. the will to write a small C program, that will be launched _in place of_ the regular init program, set the LD_ASSUME_KERNEL environment variable, export it, and then launch the original init program. 1. add the following boot parameter (in lilo.conf: append, or in grub.conf: in the command-line): INIT=/bin/init.test.sh /bin/init.test.sh should be: #!/bin/sh export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 exec /sbin/init But then again, there is a simpler way: Add the following to your boot parameters: LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 lilo/grub won't catch it. The kernel won't catch it (right?), and thus it will be passed to the environment of the init process. -- Tzafrir Cohen +---+ http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/ |vim is a mutt's best friend| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
