Re: Quest for *nix C/C++ IDE
On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 09:45 -0700, Nzer Zaidenberg wrote: Real developers (like me) use gvim and Makefiles like God intended us to work. Amen to that! vim + ctags. period. We don't use-no-stinking-mouse around here! No sirrie! lesser beings... use slickedit or kdevelop. slickedit cost money but rumers says its worth it. personally i use vi and terminal and debug with dbx natively :-) but i guess this is not what sane people would use. Emacs is also a good choice but was made for people with 6 fingers in every hand (one is always required for the META key :-). --- Michael Sternberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello We're looking for recomendations on *nix IDE. Following virtues are seeked: 1. Multiplatform. We will develop on Linux and SunOS. Maybe AIX and HP in the future. 2. Truly integrated. That is, good editor, source browser and visual debugger in one bottle. Never mind that it will use external utilities like ctags/make/CC/dbx/gcc/gdb/gprof underneath. Even better if it will be able to use multiple external compilers or debuggers. 3. Good multithreading support is a MUST. 4. Reasonably light, does not demand very much resources. 5. Does not demand installing additional heavy packages (like KDE for KDevelop) 6. Not beta version or something - we're looking mature working package 7. Never mind open source or commercial Do you know about something like this ? Thanks. Mishka. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
test via telnet (ignore)
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Shell programing question
Hi all, I have a shell programing question. I want to write a test that runs a certain background program if it doesn't already exist. What I want to test is this: If the pid file doesn't exist or The pid file relates to a non-existing process or The process is not what I'm trying to run then run the program. The two conditions are fairly simple to code in bash: if [ ! -f /var/run/pid -o ! -d /proc/`cat /var/run/pid` ] then /usr/bin/program fi The third one I'm having some difficulties with. It's fairly easy to find out whether it's the right program or not. Something along the lines of: (readlink /proc/`cat /var/run/pid`/exe | grep -q progname) will return 0 if it's the right program and 1 if it's not. In fact, that's exactly my problem. I want the 0 and 1 to be reversed. If I did: if [ ! -f /var/run/pid -o ! -d /proc/`cat /var/run/pid` ] || (readlink /proc/`cat /var/run/pid`/exe | grep -q progname) then ... Then the program would get run if the pid file is gone, and it will get run if the pid file is there but there is no such process, but if there is such a process (but it's not the right one) it will not get run, and if there is such a process and it is the right one, the process will be run again! Any ideas on how to correctly code this piece of code would be greatly appreciated. Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quest for *nix C/C++ IDE
On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 11:44:11AM +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 09:45 -0700, Nzer Zaidenberg wrote: Real developers (like me) use gvim and Makefiles like God intended us to work. Amen to that! vim + ctags. period. We don't use-no-stinking-mouse around here! No sirrie! And debug with ifdef DEBUG and print(f) statments. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (077)-424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Support the growing boycott of Google by radio users and hobbyists. It's starting to work, Yahoo has surpassed Google. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quest for *nix C/C++ IDE
On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 12:29 +0300, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 11:44:11AM +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 09:45 -0700, Nzer Zaidenberg wrote: Real developers (like me) use gvim and Makefiles like God intended us to work. Amen to that! vim + ctags. period. We don't use-no-stinking-mouse around here! No sirrie! And debug with ifdef DEBUG and print(f) statments. Actually, it's debug with printk ;-) Geoff. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
buy ata (voip)
i want to connect both my analog phone and line to asterisk i am looking where i can buy a cheap ata that has both FXS and FXO in it i saw one on the net, was about 80$, but they didn't deliver to israel :-( anyone ? erez. btw: i am sending this mail via telnet to port 25 of my isp for some reson, 3 mails i sent from google to the list didn't arrive. dunno why = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: buy ata (voip)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: btw: i am sending this mail via telnet to port 25 of my isp for some reson, 3 mails i sent from google to the list didn't arrive. dunno why A few comments: 1. I think it's always better to use a mail client software for sending E-mail, and not send directly via telnet to port 25. There are many good mail client programs out there. 2. If you insist in using telnet, at least add the recipient as To header and your own address as From header. Otherwise it looks like just another spam. Best Regards, Uri Even-Chen Speedy Net Raanana, Israel. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +972-9-7715013 Website: www.uri.co.il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quest for *nix C/C++ IDE
On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 12:29:14PM +0300, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 11:44:11AM +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 09:45 -0700, Nzer Zaidenberg wrote: Real developers (like me) use gvim and Makefiles like God intended us to work. Amen to that! vim + ctags. period. We don't use-no-stinking-mouse around here! No sirrie! And debug with ifdef DEBUG and print(f) statments. Debug with your brain, use #ifdef DEBUG, printf() or your favorite debugger to supply it with pertinent data. Silly thread. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Shell programing question
(readlink /proc/`cat /var/run/pid`/exe | grep -q progname) will return 0 if it's the right program and 1 if it's not. In fact, that's exactly my problem. I want the 0 and 1 to be reversed. If I did: You can add -v to the grep command line, it will reverse its function. Or replace grep -q progname with (grep -q progname exit 1; exit 0). --Alex __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Shell programing question
Alex Shnitman wrote: You can add -v to the grep command line, it will reverse its function. It may help this particular case, but -v reverses the search criteria, not the overall result. Take a file that has the two lines: 1 2 Doing grep 1 file will result in 0 (found), while doing grep -v 1 file will also result in 0, as there is a line in the file that does not contain 1. In any case, the same situation may apply to other cases as well. Or replace grep -q progname with (grep -q progname exit 1; exit 0). That will work, but I was really hoping to avoid such a convulted case. If I wanted to do that, I could also do: if ... then (readlink .. | grep -q progname) || runcommand fi Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Setting up a private network behind a firewall.
Hello all, I looking to create a permanent connection between my home network and the private network I have at work. The setup is as follows: Home - Firewall Cable - Internet - ADSL - Win2K - Workstation - Work. I'm currently using the SSH port forwarding to gain access to my private network from work; However, this solution doesn't give me access to my work network from home. I have no control over the Windows 2K gateway/NAT, and if I bother the admins they might revoke my DSL privileges. In short, I cannot ask him to forward specific ports to my machine. More-ever, both IPs ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] are dynamic, though my private network is resolved using freedns.afraid.org) As far as I could see, OpenVPN might solve my problem; but AFAICS it requires both ends to have static IP and/or resolvable hosts. To reiterate: I need a solution in which, my workstation at work, will establish a secure (semi)-persistent connection between my home firewall creating virtual network between the two, giving me access to my work network from home. Thanks in advance, Gilboa P.S. I should add, the I have a separate network at work, with no direct link to my workplace's LAN; plus, both networks sit behind a fairly strict iptables firewall. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Introduction to Xen
Hi, The Xen Project is gaining a lot of interest lately. I am following it for more than a year now. The Linux Journal had published yesterday an article I wrote, titled Introduction to the Xen Virtual Machine. If anyone is interested in reading it, he can find it in: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8540 Regards, Rami Rosen = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sys / db performance block size
On 9/5/05, Michael Ben-Nes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Im setting up a Postgresql sql server on IBM x345, dual xeon, raid1 ( 2 disks ), raid10 ( 4 disks ). The db data will be stored on the RAID10 and will consist mostly of product table of 5 mil rows and keywords table with 60 mil rows. .. I initialized the partion with reiserfs filesystem with block size of 8192, but couldnt mount it. it kept saying: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/VolGroup01/LV-1-0, or too many mounted file systems Troubleshooting your problem: 1. check dmesg. 2. Have you provided the filesystem type to mount or did you relay on auto-detection? 3. reiserfsck? As for using ReiserFS for a database - I'm pretty sure that I read that ReiserFS is considered excellent for many small files but other filesystems are better with large files. You might want to check around for reocmmandations about PostgresQL tuning (or Linux databases in general). www.postgresql.org is an excellent site. Here is one page there which talks about choice of filesystems: http://tinyurl.com/c4xes and here is another one about taking advantage of multiple disk spindles: http://tinyurl.com/8qjlg Also I think I read conflicting views about the sensibility of using a transactional database like PostgresQL on top of a journaling filesystem, I don't remember all the arguments but it might be that the journaling at both levels might defeat the database's disk-access atomicity. (And before I'll be suspected of bias - I use ReiserFS for my home machine a few years now and thank god for it - it saved me a few times when the power in my apparetment was flaky, not to mention that it generally feels very fast). I'd be interested to know what you came up with eventually (as I suspect many people on this forum). Cheers, --Amos To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Shell programing question
On Mon, Sep 05, 2005, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Shell programing question: will return 0 if it's the right program and 1 if it's not. In fact, that's exactly my problem. I want the 0 and 1 to be reversed. If I did: Is that your only program - reversing the return code? This is easy, just use the ! operator! For example: $ true; echo $? 0 ! true; echo $? 1 Yes, the ! operator works not just in an if statement. Then the program would get run if the pid file is gone, and it will get run if the pid file is there but there is no such process, but if there is such a process (but it's not the right one) it will not get run, and if there is such a process and it is the right one, the process will be run again! I'm not sure what you're saying here. If your if statement doesn't do the correct logic, try to fix its logic. Sometimes you might want to do a couple of ifs, nested, to simlify the logic. -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, Sep 5 2005, 1 Elul 5765 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |If I were two-faced, would I be wearing http://nadav.harel.org.il |this one? Abraham Lincoln = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Shell programing question
On 9/5/05, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex Shnitman wrote: You can add -v to the grep command line, it will reverse its function. It may help this particular case, but -v reverses the search criteria, not the overall result. Take a file that has the two lines: 1 2 Doing grep 1 file will result in 0 (found), while doing grep -v 1 file will also result in 0, as there is a line in the file that does not contain 1. In any case, the same situation may apply to other cases as well. But by definition the input contains only one line - so either it matches or not. BTW - I'd suggest using egrep and a very strict regular expression to avoid false positives. Cheers, --Amos To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: sys / db performance block size
First, its better to ask the experts on this matters at pgsql-general@postgresql.org It is not definitive that for postgresql you'd better set 8kb block size since the OS already coalleses the files close together anyway and there is no guarentee the page will be aligned to the hardware block size (which can be very different) so I would be carefull with that assumption. Regarding the FS, I think you'd better use JFS or XFS for better performance with DB files such as postgresql. You cannot just change the postgresql page size (BLCKSZ constant) since (1) its hardwired and you have to recompile and (2) its used all over the code and assumed to be 8192 so I'd be carefull with changing this. If I had to bet on the best performance from what I have been reading the last year on the mailing lists I would go with JFS but also try XFS to see. I would suggest to use the lastest version of the kernel so these FS will be the most stable. This is not the whole story though, you have in the postgresql configuration files ways to allocate memory for sorts, merges, etc... that can be flushed to disk just as with your OS swap files. It also depends on your load. I would suggest you will give speacial attention to that alone and also read the DB optimization section in the manual. Postgresql ver 8 (now 8.1 beta is out) should be better at cleaning up after you. Also remember to vacuum periodically otherwise you disk would be clogged. AND ALSO, do periodical vacuum analyze to get the queries to adapt to statistical changes in your relations for best performance. If you have a lot of entries, think about letting go of indices or droping them and rebuilding them after the inserts, etc... DB performance is often more improved by improving your queries and not the block size of your FS. Regards, tzahi. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Ben-Nes Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:00 AM To: linux-il@linux.org.il Subject: sys / db performance block size Hi Im setting up a Postgresql sql server on IBM x345, dual xeon, raid1 ( 2 disks ), raid10 ( 4 disks ). The db data will be stored on the RAID10 and will consist mostly of product table of 5 mil rows and keywords table with 60 mil rows. Postgres default block size is 8192. Reading over the net I understood that for the best performance the filesystem block size should be the same ( 8192 ). I initialized the partion with reiserfs filesystem with block size of 8192, but couldnt mount it. it kept saying: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/VolGroup01/LV-1-0, or too many mounted file systems Tried it with LVM without. Any Ideas ? I also interested in the list opinion about what should be the DB block size, FS block size, LVM PE Size RAID Strip Size. Cheers -- -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 Cel: 972-52-8555757 Fax: 972-4-6990098 http://www.canaan.net.il -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Quest for *nix C/C++ IDE
I use cscope instead of the regular ctags in gvim. Regards, tzahi. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gilboa Davara Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:44 AM To: IL List Subject: Re: Quest for *nix C/C++ IDE On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 09:45 -0700, Nzer Zaidenberg wrote: Real developers (like me) use gvim and Makefiles like God intended us to work. Amen to that! vim + ctags. period. We don't use-no-stinking-mouse around here! No sirrie! lesser beings... use slickedit or kdevelop. slickedit cost money but rumers says its worth it. personally i use vi and terminal and debug with dbx natively :-) but i guess this is not what sane people would use. Emacs is also a good choice but was made for people with 6 fingers in every hand (one is always required for the META key :-). --- Michael Sternberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello We're looking for recomendations on *nix IDE. Following virtues are seeked: 1. Multiplatform. We will develop on Linux and SunOS. Maybe AIX and HP in the future. 2. Truly integrated. That is, good editor, source browser and visual debugger in one bottle. Never mind that it will use external utilities like ctags/make/CC/dbx/gcc/gdb/gprof underneath. Even better if it will be able to use multiple external compilers or debuggers. 3. Good multithreading support is a MUST. 4. Reasonably light, does not demand very much resources. 5. Does not demand installing additional heavy packages (like KDE for KDevelop) 6. Not beta version or something - we're looking mature working package 7. Never mind open source or commercial Do you know about something like this ? Thanks. Mishka. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up a private network behind a firewall.
I looking to create a permanent connection between my home network and the private network I have at work. The setup is as follows: Home - Firewall Cable - Internet - ADSL - Win2K - Workstation - Work. Faced with almost exactly the same situation a couple of years ago, I used vtun (http://vtun.sf.net/). The home machine was the server and the work machine was the client. The client was configured to retry creating the connection once a minute to a dynamic DNS address, so if any one of the two machines (home/work) is rebooted, the connection is soon restored. It works by sending IP over UDP, so it traverses a NAT firewall that doesn't regulate egress connections. It creates a virtual subnet (e.g. 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2) between the two machines, so as long as it is up, you can ssh from any machine to the other one. The most convoluted demo of this technology was showing a VNC client running on my work machine, connected to a server on the Windows that was running in VMWare on my home Linux computer. :-) --Alex __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up a private network behind a firewall.
On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 02:06:23PM +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: I looking to create a permanent connection between my home network and the private network I have at work. The setup is as follows: Home - Firewall Cable - Internet - ADSL - Win2K - Workstation - Work. If you can ssh to home then you can ppp to it. You don't really need an official VPN, just a way of transparently getting packets from one side to the other and back again. Lets assume that you have the following IP address ranges: home 1.2.3.xxx work 4.5.6.xxx You set up a ppp connection from work over ssh (use dsa or rsa keys, not passwords*) to a machine on the home network, lets say it's ip is 1.2.3.4. The ppp side of the machine would be another interface 1.2.3.5. (make sure you turn OFF peerdns) On the work side, do the same, e.g. 4.5.6.7 would add 4.5.6.8. Then you add the routes, (don't assume the syntax is correct) at home: route add -net 4.5.6.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 -gw 1.2.3.5 metric 1 at work: route add -net 1.2.3.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 -gw 4.5.6.8 metric 1 set up your firewall rules to allow access and packet forwarding on those ports you wish. After a zillion (and unfortunately one sucessfull) attempts to hack my system using ssh and passwords, I turned off the ability to log on with ssh. Now only dsa keys are accepted. I carry my DSA key on a USB key fob. This is not always a good idea, the security of both networks is now reduced to the lesser of the two. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (077)-424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Support the growing boycott of Google by radio users and hobbyists. It's starting to work, Yahoo has surpassed Google. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up a private network behind a firewall.
On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 02:06:23PM +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: Hello all, I looking to create a permanent connection between my home network and the private network I have at work. The setup is as follows: Home - Firewall Cable - Internet - ADSL - Win2K - Workstation - Work. I'm currently using the SSH port forwarding to gain access to my private network from work; However, this solution doesn't give me access to my work network from home. I have no control over the Windows 2K gateway/NAT, and if I bother the admins they might revoke my DSL privileges. In short, I cannot ask him to forward specific ports to my machine. More-ever, both IPs ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] are dynamic, though my private network is resolved using freedns.afraid.org) As far as I could see, OpenVPN might solve my problem; but AFAICS it requires both ends to have static IP and/or resolvable hosts. To reiterate: I need a solution in which, my workstation at work, will establish a secure (semi)-persistent connection between my home firewall creating virtual network between the two, giving me access to my work network from home. You might try pppd over an ssh connection. There is a howto about this as well as a debian package secvpn doing this. Never tried it myself. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up a private network behind a firewall.
On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 14:59 +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 02:06:23PM +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: Hello all, I looking to create a permanent connection between my home network and the private network I have at work. The setup is as follows: Home - Firewall Cable - Internet - ADSL - Win2K - Workstation - Work. I'm currently using the SSH port forwarding to gain access to my private network from work; However, this solution doesn't give me access to my work network from home. I have no control over the Windows 2K gateway/NAT, and if I bother the admins they might revoke my DSL privileges. In short, I cannot ask him to forward specific ports to my machine. More-ever, both IPs ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] are dynamic, though my private network is resolved using freedns.afraid.org) As far as I could see, OpenVPN might solve my problem; but AFAICS it requires both ends to have static IP and/or resolvable hosts. It requires one of the ends to have a resolvable address (IP or name) that is accessible from the outside. The other side will initiate the connection there. So you can give your home computer a dynamic IP address and have the other network connect there. This is the general idea. Have the work machine (re)connect to my firewall and establish a VPN to the my private network. Gilboa = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up a private network behind a firewall.
On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 02:06:23PM +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: Hello all, I looking to create a permanent connection between my home network and the private network I have at work. The setup is as follows: Home - Firewall Cable - Internet - ADSL - Win2K - Workstation - Work. I'm currently using the SSH port forwarding to gain access to my private network from work; However, this solution doesn't give me access to my work network from home. I have no control over the Windows 2K gateway/NAT, and if I bother the admins they might revoke my DSL privileges. In short, I cannot ask him to forward specific ports to my machine. More-ever, both IPs ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] are dynamic, though my private network is resolved using freedns.afraid.org) As far as I could see, OpenVPN might solve my problem; but AFAICS it requires both ends to have static IP and/or resolvable hosts. It requires one of the ends to have a resolvable address (IP or name) that is accessible from the outside. The other side will initiate the connection there. So you can give your home computer a dynamic IP address and have the other network connect there. -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | best ICQ# 16849755 | | friend = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up a private network behind a firewall.
Thanks. Vtun works great. The only thing that concerns me is the password issue (that sits inside the /etc/vtund.conf) I assume that the password is being exchange encrypted, right? Beside creating the vtun connection over SSH, is there any other way to secure vtun? Gilboa On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 04:52 -0700, Alex Shnitman wrote: I looking to create a permanent connection between my home network and the private network I have at work. The setup is as follows: Home - Firewall Cable - Internet - ADSL - Win2K - Workstation - Work. Faced with almost exactly the same situation a couple of years ago, I used vtun (http://vtun.sf.net/). The home machine was the server and the work machine was the client. The client was configured to retry creating the connection once a minute to a dynamic DNS address, so if any one of the two machines (home/work) is rebooted, the connection is soon restored. It works by sending IP over UDP, so it traverses a NAT firewall that doesn't regulate egress connections. It creates a virtual subnet (e.g. 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2) between the two machines, so as long as it is up, you can ssh from any machine to the other one. The most convoluted demo of this technology was showing a VNC client running on my work machine, connected to a server on the Windows that was running in VMWare on my home Linux computer. :-) --Alex __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
devfs - gone
Hi all, The new kernel (2.6.13) has removed support for devfs. While I certainly understand why devfs is not on by default, it seems that removing it altogether is a bit harsh. Devfs has been a great way to quickly (say - inside an initrd) get a clear picture of what hardware is available, as well as get the relevant devices required to run said hardware. With devfs gone, installers, some embedded configurations, and possibly others, may find their time much harder. My main question is - does anyone know of a good alternative? Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up a private network behind a firewall.
Vtun works great. Glad to hear that. The only thing that concerns me is the password issue (that sits inside the /etc/vtund.conf) I assume that the password is being exchange encrypted, right? Beside creating the vtun connection over SSH, is there any other way to secure vtun? Hey, it's right there in the FAQ, dude: 1.19 How secure is VTun ? Well. VTun doesn't try to be the MOST secure tunneling software in the world, it tries to be fast, stable, rich of features, easy to use and secure enough instead. VTun uses Challenge Based Authentication and doesn't transfer passwords in clear text. Encryption module uses MD5 for 128 bits key generation and BlowFish algorithm for actual data encryption. There could be some weaknesses in key generation method, we will try to address them in future releases. --Alex __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: devfs - gone
On Mon, Sep 05, 2005, Shachar Shemesh wrote about devfs - gone: Devfs has been a great way to quickly (say - inside an initrd) get a .. My main question is - does anyone know of a good alternative? I believe what you're looking for is udev, isn't it? Check out http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, Sep 5 2005, 1 Elul 5765 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |A bird in the hand is safer than one http://nadav.harel.org.il |overhead. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: devfs - gone
On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 04:24:34PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi all, The new kernel (2.6.13) has removed support for devfs. While I certainly understand why devfs is not on by default, it seems that removing it altogether is a bit harsh. Devfs has been a great way to quickly (say - inside an initrd) get a clear picture of what hardware is available, as well as get the relevant devices required to run said hardware. With devfs gone, installers, some embedded configurations, and possibly others, may find their time much harder. This was discussed quite thoroughly on lkml and summarized on one of the last kerneltraffic issues (which are very recommended BTW), here http://www.kernel-traffic.org/kernel-traffic/kt20050827_318.html My main question is - does anyone know of a good alternative? The recommended alternative is udev. I used it quite successfully, although I know that it's still not a complete replacement. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up a private network behind a firewall.
Gilboa Davara wrote: Thanks. Vtun works great. The only thing that concerns me is the password issue (that sits inside the /etc/vtund.conf) I assume that the password is being exchange encrypted, right? Beside creating the vtun connection over SSH, is there any other way to secure vtun? Gilboa Personally, I use OpenVPN. It's the same basic principle as vtun (I think, I have never actually used vtun), uses public keys for the actual authentication, is encrypted, and even has HTTP tunneling mode. Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quest for *nix C/C++ IDE
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, Gilboa Davara wrote: On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 09:45 -0700, Nzer Zaidenberg wrote: Real developers (like me) use gvim and Makefiles like God intended us to work. Amen to that! vim + ctags. period. We don't use-no-stinking-mouse around here! No sirrie! Actually you can use a mouse with vim (and vim is competing with emacs wrt extensions and scripts). It even has a functional gui. vi(m) is good because if you have to edit something over a bad or slow serial link, there is no replacement for it. And nothing beats using ctags+vim and then :make make args here and land directly in the error list of the compiler output, with ctags providing the support for jumping around. This works for anything written in C (and anything that vim's regular expressions can be scripted for - such as assembly for embedded). Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quest for *nix C/C++ IDE
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OT: how do i get an ulta-small PC?
hi, the background to my question, is that i find myself going to various places to give lectures, and i need to be able to run a linux environment with a given configuration. too often i have to rely on other people bringing their laptops (and i personally hate laptops). then i thought that there should be no problem putting an entire PC in a very very small box (by small i mean something like a 1-2 cigarette packs in size, and a few hundread grams in weight). i don't need it to have an internal batery, but it should be easy to attach a power supply. it does not need too much cooling, since it'll be turned on for a few hours at a time, and be off most of the time. it does need to have a connector for a PS/2 keyboard, a PS/2 mouse, and 2-4 USB entries (one for a disk-on-key, 2 for USB mouse/keyboard) and a monitor output. having a sound-card + earphones outlet would be nice too. i started scanning the web, and i saw small things that were yet too large, or small PDAs that seem to be too limited (e.g. i want this system to have a laptop-size hard-disk, so i can install a real system on it). does anyone know if there are such things for sale, either in israel or via the internet? i imagine such a thing might cost several hundreads of dollars, and i'd rather buy something pre-built, then build my own - since it should be able to sustain movement shocks (after all, i'll be taking it in a car and drive with it all around, so i don't want to have loose wires due to a bump on the road, etc). thanks, -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: how do i get an ulta-small PC?
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 12:13:34AM +0300, guy keren wrote: hi, the background to my question, is that i find myself going to various places to give lectures, and i need to be able to run a linux environment with a given configuration. too often i have to rely on other people bringing their laptops (and i personally hate laptops). then i thought that there should be no problem putting an entire PC in a very very small box (by small i mean something like a 1-2 cigarette packs in size, and a few hundread grams in weight). i don't need it to have an internal batery, but it should be easy to attach a power supply. it does not need too much cooling, since it'll be turned on for a few hours at a time, and be off most of the time. it does need to have a connector for a PS/2 keyboard, a PS/2 mouse, and 2-4 USB entries (one for a disk-on-key, 2 for USB mouse/keyboard) and a monitor output. having a sound-card + earphones outlet would be nice too. This is basically a laptop. Why not a disk-on-key? Actually it would probably be a bit too small and limited. But you can get a case for a 2.5 HD with a USB connector. Fits in your pocket and can store some 40GB. Enough for several partiions for several OSes. And maybe even several versions of qemu. A laptop is basically limited by the size of a decent screen and a decent keyboard. -- Tzafrir Cohen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il | | a Mutt's [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | best ICQ# 16849755 | | friend = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: how do i get an ulta-small PC?
I significantly disagree with Tsafrir. What you want and can use is a vortex86 machine/box. They are very small, have a very light power footprint, easy to add bits and pieces to, are a full i386 machine. They ARE very underpowered ;-). Have a look at the board that fits your every requirement except for audio (and that can be added quite easily). http://www.icop.com.tw/products_detail.asp?ProductID=119 If you decide to go that way - I am sure we can assemble a few good people to buy a few of these and play ball ;-). I would like one or two, for purposes VERY similar to yours. The one minus is that all the ready-made units bring all the available I/O to the outside, increasing the form-factor significantly. So - if you want a small project - here you have the brick to tie it to ;-). M On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 00:13 +0300, guy keren wrote: then i thought that there should be no problem putting an entire PC in a very very small box (by small i mean something like a 1-2 cigarette packs in size, and a few hundread grams in weight). i don't need it to have an it does need to have a connector for a PS/2 keyboard, a PS/2 mouse, and 2-4 USB entries (one for a disk-on-key, 2 for USB mouse/keyboard) and a monitor output. having a sound-card + earphones outlet would be nice too. does anyone know if there are such things for sale, either in israel or via the internet? i imagine such a thing might cost several hundreads of dollars, and i'd rather buy something pre-built, then build my own - since it should be able to sustain movement shocks (after all, i'll be taking it in a car and drive with it all around, so i don't want to have loose wires due to a bump on the road, etc). = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: how do i get an ulta-small PC?
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 12:13:34AM +0300, guy keren wrote: the background to my question, is that i find myself going to various places to give lectures, and i need to be able to run a linux environment with a given configuration. too often i have to rely on other people bringing their laptops (and i personally hate laptops). Are you X86 centric? You can get a Macintosh mini from Yeda for about $700+VAT. It has a 1.4gHz PPC processor, 256m of RAM (may be up to 512 now) and an 80 gig hard drive, 2 USB 2 ports, firewire, ethernet and a DVI video port that comes with a VGA adaptor. A 1.2gHz version with a 40gig drive is about $100 less. It comes with an open source BSD UNIX operating system with a closed source GUI, and can also run YellowDog or FC4 Linux. It is not designed to run on batteries, but AFIK it has a standard power connector and only takes one DC voltage and people do it. All you need to use it is an outlet, VGA monitor and USB keyboard and mouse, Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (077)-424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Support the growing boycott of Google by radio users and hobbyists. It's starting to work, Yahoo has surpassed Google. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quest for *nix C/C++ IDE
On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 02:05:49AM +0300, guy keren wrote: [stuff deleted] p.s. you will _realy_ want to make sure you're using Makefiles, and not some proprietary project file format, in order to build your software, and so you'll want to make sure that any IDE you choose does not lock you in - it could get quite nasty if you need to port to some platforms that your IDE-of-choice does not support. You may want to investigate some of the more advanced make replacements though. Personally I have switched to using scons (http://www.scons.org/) after having used makefile for more than 10 years, and believe me it that it does feel good. :-) Dov = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: how do i get an ulta-small PC?
On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 00:13 +0300, guy keren wrote:
hi,
the background to my question, is that i find myself going to various
places to give lectures, and i need to be able to run a linux environment
with a given configuration. too often i have to rely on other people
bringing their laptops (and i personally hate laptops).
Hi Guy !
Other stuff you can check:
- The Crusoe (RIP) based mini-handtop (A5 size) Dialogue's flybook.
Note it's available in Israel ( http://www.etkes.com/ )
If you are not x86 centric, you should consider also:
- If you want to DIY, check LART ( http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/ )
And the PDA family:
- iPAQ (with Linux of course)
Lastly, the pearls
- Sharp Zaurus (specially the Clamshell forms). These are originally for
the Japanese market, but converted to English by several providers.
- The beautiful Debian-based Nokia 770.
Enjoy !
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Re: devfs - gone
On 9/5/05, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, The new kernel (2.6.13) has removed support for devfs. While I certainly Hi Shachar, Look in one of the latest kernel-traffick issues: 1. Devfs wasn't removed completly, only the option to configure it. I believe it will be easy for you to find the right flags to enable it and add them manually. 2. In the same kernel-traffic issue where the disablement was discussed (again?), the author of udev (I think) provided a 300-line module to supply very similar functionality to devfs on top of udev. This patch was mentioned/provided in response to someone talking about lack of devfs breaking his embedded setups, and that same someone was happy with the udev-based solution. I think this is the item: http://www.kernel-traffic.org/kernel-traffic/kt20050827_318.html#2 it might be worth digging the rest of the kernel-traffic archives for more info about where it's going. Cheers, --Amos To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: devfs - gone
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 07:43:57AM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: 1. Devfs wasn't removed completly, only the option to configure it. I believe it will be easy for you to find the right flags to enable it and add them manually. CONFIG_DEVFS, naturally. That would be the wrong thing to do, as devfs is really going away. It's best to migrate to udev in one of its variants. 2. In the same kernel-traffic issue where the disablement was discussed (again?), For the umpteenth time. the author of udev (I think) Yes. Greg KH. provided a 300-line module to supply very similar functionality to devfs on top of udev. ndevfs. This patch was mentioned/provided in response to someone talking about lack of devfs breaking his embedded setups, and that same someone was happy with the udev-based solution. .. as a proof of concept, that will never be integrated. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: how do i get an ulta-small PC?
http://openbrick.org/ there are others. The smaller you want, the less likely it will be to have a x86 cpu and the more likely it will be a mips or other risc unit. Then you will have to switch to netbsd to use it ;-) Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: how do i get an ulta-small PC?
On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 04:17 +0300, guy keren wrote:
- The beautiful Debian-based Nokia 770.
did i mention that i don't need a cellphone? apparently i forgot ;)
Hmmm...
Is IBM doing stuff other than Mainframes ? ... And Apple other than
Aquariums ? ;)
Actually, the *one* function missing in the 770 is a cellphone...
Still, I guess it will be too PDAish for you...
My $0.02 anyway,
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Re: OT: how do i get an ulta-small PC?
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 12:13:34AM +0300, guy keren wrote: the background to my question, is that i find myself going to various places to give lectures, and i need to be able to run a linux environment with a given configuration. too often i have to rely on other people bringing their laptops (and i personally hate laptops). Are you X86 centric? You can get a Macintosh mini from Yeda for about $700+VAT. It has a 1.4gHz PPC processor, 256m of RAM (may be up to 512 now) and an 80 gig hard drive, 2 USB 2 ports, firewire, ethernet and a DVI video port that comes with a VGA adaptor. and it weighs 2.9 pounds (6.4 kg) - much too heavy. it also has no PS/2 entries - i normally get to places where there are PCs, sometimes old PCs, and i can nick a local mouse+keyboard, so i can't rely on local USB devices. it does, however, remind me that i'll need an ethernet controller (this also solves the issue of installation - it can be done as a networked installation - ofcourse, i'll still need to be able to have an initial boot, and for that i guess i could connect an external floppy or CD drive, that won't be needed during travels). -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: how do i get an ulta-small PC?
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 04:17:26AM +0300, guy keren wrote: if they had this without the screen and without the keyboard, and with two PS/2 outlets - i'd be a happy camper ;) How about a PC-104 system. It's a single board about 4x6 inches. The ones I've used have an x86 processor (various speeds and performance), a graphics chip, sound chip, ethernet. 2 serial, 1 parallel, 2 USB and a PS/2 keyboard and mouse port. Depending upon the board you get, you can get LCD support, VGA support, or composite video in varying resolution and color depth. They usually have one or two IDE interfaces and a floppy interface. They also come in ARM, PPC and MIPS processors. Some have built in memory, some take SODIMMs, etc. When I was in the hardware business we built our proof of concept units in 4x6 inch boxes with a laptop hard drive and an external 5 volt supply. We also had a screen and keyboard of sorts on them, but obviously you would not need them. We were building handheld gaming machines and ran Linux with X windows and WINE on them. If you get the correct processor, you don't need a fan if you use a semiconductor hard drive instead of a laptop one. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (077)-424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Support the growing boycott of Google by radio users and hobbyists. It's starting to work, Yahoo has surpassed Google. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: how do i get an ulta-small PC?
Sorry but: 2.9 pounds = 1.31541787 kilograms Regarding PS/2 entries - I bought from the local Cosmos supermarket a USB small cable which has 2 PS/2 female connectors (mouse, keyboard). Cost: 31.90 NIS it does, however, remind me that i'll need an ethernet controller (this also solves the issue of installation - it can be done as a networked installation - ofcourse, i'll still need to be able to have an initial boot, and for that i guess i could connect an external floppy or CD drive, that won't be needed during travels). Mac Mini has: Modem connector, network controller, built in CDRW/DVD drive, and if you buy the new models, a bluetooth (which should be running nice with Linux's Bluez). At least from what I heard, YDL Linux is running very nicely on top of it. Thanks, Hetz To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Telux: Network Programming by Eddie Aronovich on 21/August
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Re: Telux: Network Programming by Eddie Aronovich on 21/August
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