Re: Some thoughts about the linux.org.il Site
It apears like wikipedia has financial troubles and requests donations: http://www.wikimedia.org/letter.html (Also I believe there was a /. discussion on this) Nadav Har'El wrote: While you mentioned this, does anybody know what happened to whatsup? Both whatsup and wikipedia are down - the withdrawal is too painful to bear :( -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/~guybar +--- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Article in Globes
Shaul Karl wrote: In the Israeli there are 2 aspects which are also present else where but might be more noticeable here: 1. Open Source means a switch from the more traditional way of thinking. so ? is new==good ? 2. Hopefully it will divert money that is now spent outside of Israel, for whatever world wide giant, to many small local groups. Which is a good thing because that money is likely to circulate locally. It is true that those world wide giant have local branches. But trying to smoothly balanced the needs of every group in the population is one of the government duties. As such, due to its advantages, open source can not be completely ruled out. The real question should probably be what is the best balance. Conclusion: even if TCO is higher for OS, it is worth it. I think what you're trying to say is that long-term TCO for the _country_ is lower for OS. However, in order for this to be more than an ideological claim, one should back it up with numbers, at least estimates. Example: How much of the GNP comes from MS-il ? What are estimates for this number for the next 10-15 years ? How much would an OSS based industry contribute to Israel's GNP more than a proprietary one ? What is the possible damage MS can do to Israel's economy (what portion of its RD can it relocate? ) ? What are the medium (~10 yrs) and long-term probabilities for survival of MS ? 3. Since software development does not require more then skilled man power, it seems natural for the state of Israel. I agree that this is a tough business because skilled man power can be also found else where. This is a general claim w.r.t. sw-dev: Implications on the free vs proprietary sw debate can be drawn both ways. 4. I assume that the research was done out of Israel. Which research ? OS research ? Most of the research in the world is done outside of israel [Duh ... ;-) ], When and how much should the government/market pay/invest for the open of sw ? Which is one more reason to ask for the raw data and the full calculation which lead the researchers to their end result. and it because of the forking problem it is risky to use OS. Forking also means that some one tries another way. Forking means that each head will merge good results out of the other head. Due to its open nature, forking also let the end user interfere in the end result. It also let other people to maintain the old code. It sais that the Government of Israel should not move from MS an other propriatery solutions to OS. That seems to be going too far. A better conclusion would be the right balance between propriatery solutions and OS. I agree. Let me refine this by the claim* that OSS strong areas are widely-distributed sw, including infra-structure, where user-masses are more important than individual (or team) developper talent. IOW, I would argue that Israel should invest in open commons and proprietary niches. * This is by no means a new claim. In fact, this traditional way of thinking is the summary of the cathedral and bazaar. Being old doesn't make it wrong, though .. :-) -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/~guybar +--- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
layout Vs direction: multilingual users
Gil Freund wrote: Another note, that could be unrelated. I asked before on the list why context switching (LTR - RTL) in OO and CXoffice does not change the language as well. Is this related to the keyboard layout, or am I barking up the wrong tree? I don't know about KB leayouts, but it sounds like such a heuristic may be problematic with multilingual users. e.g., if a user needs hebrew, arabic, english and french, he'll be quite miffed by the software choosing his language for him ... Gil -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/~guybar +--- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla, Internet Banking and Bank Otsar Ha-Hayal: summary
Thanks for the replies. Several people mentioned that Otsar Ha-Hayal is subsidiary of Hapoalim, and the URL is the same. A client of Otsar Ha-Hayal reported the site works with RH9.1 (severn ?) and MDK, Mozilla 1.3.1 and 1.4 -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/~guybar +--- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mozilla, Internet Banking and Bank Otsar Ha-Hayal
Hello. Does anyone have experience with bank Otsar Ha-Hayal online banking service with mozilla under linux ? (Hebrew a very slight plus.) Please send me both pos. and neg. recommendations privately, I'll send a summary to the list in a week or so. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/~guybar +--- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: /Linux/maillists/03/08/threads.html was not found at plasma-gate.
Evgeny is still, AFAIK, the archive maintainer. He is currently on a short vacation, hence the latency. Shaul Karl wrote: Am I the only one who is having problems with the list archive at plasma-gate? Not Found The requested URL /Linux/maillists/03/08/threads.html was not found on this server. _ Apache/1.3.27 Server at plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il Port 80 I have sent a message about it yesterday to whom I think is the operator, but didn't get a reply. Could be that I am impatient. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/~guybar +--- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Patents or copyright ? [was Re: Israeli DMCA looming?]
Actually, although there is a reference to IP in general, from all the types of IP (patents, trademarks, copyrights, trade-secrets, are those I'm aware of), only the first gets mentioned specificly. AFAIK, Patents are largely irrelevant to music-copying (a copyright issue), or to DMCA (again, mainly a copyright-aimed law) Patents, on the other hand, can (and often do) directly affect SW, and especially _new_ SW (as opposed with ripped copies of *.exe or *.wav ) So, any change w.r.t. patent-policy should interest HAMAKOR greatly. In fact, it should, IMHO, be very high on HAMAKOR's agenda. Herouth Maoz wrote: Quoting Eran Tromer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Improvement in protection of patents. Completion and application during 2004. Improvement of Israel's status in regard to money laundering and protection of intellectual property. I'm pretty sure the intention of the above paragraph is to solve the problem of music piracy which is very serious in Israel. I'm not talking about file sharers but about all those counterfeit CD factories and counterfeit cds being available in broad daylight in respectable shopping malls. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/~guybar +--- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SOLVED: Slow Linux response during disk operations
Just out of curiosity: can you run the same test with 2.4.18.3 and preemptive-kernel patch ? IIRC it was incorporated in 2.4.20 (+-1) , which may explain the change from 2.4.18 to 2.4.21. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/~guybar +--- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hamakor finally established!
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: hmm.. how about we start with *you* joining and paying the measly 100 NIS membership fees? Put your money where your shnorr is... :-) OK :-)X Gilad. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: egged.co.il works
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Here is my take for a structured argument: The argument usually presented in regard for making sub-standart sites that only work for a specific browseris that statistics show that the % of users using this product is so big that the economical incentive to make a standart based site that will work with all standart supporting browser is so low. This argument is false because it overlooks the the profile of customers which use these other browsers: These people are sophisticated customers. They are often high tech workers and other high paid white collar proffesionals or students that would be such customers in the future. snipped ... Sorry Gilad, but it seems like you're way out of your depth (no offense, so am I) here: such an argument as you wish to make must be based on market data in order to make an impact on decision makers. You say that this early adopt, high tech segment has high financial activity indices. Regardless of wether this looks justified to me (not completely), the important numbers are the income and spending expectancies; these you must _know_ in order to make a convincing argument, and not a cathedral-bazaar-like manifesto (no disrespect there either, just that it won't convince managers). I believe that the argument for standard-compliance, backed up by papers regarding its ease of maintainance and its long-time savings, still looks more convincing. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.1 (and 3.0.5a) RPMS for Red Hat Mandrake
Hetz Ben-Hamo wrote: Hi, Keep in mind, that the Mandrake RPMS are still in the experimental state, so you might want to save a copy of your ~/.kde* before upgrading.. Keep a seperate .kderc and .kde version for each installed distribution , and automatically symlink in ~/.login the upgrades are not such a problem, but when you switch between distributions and versions regularly, reconfiguring kde is somewhat of a pain. Enjoy, Hetz -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam mail filter
1. Somewhere back on this thread there was a reference to a Bayesian filter. Can someone supply a functional RTFM? (Not on Bayesian statistics please!) 2. The same someone (I think) said that it was enabled in Mozilla 1.3a. How so? RTFM? STFW http://www.mozilla.org/mailnews/spam.html ... Thanks Daniel -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] wikipedia like project in hebrew ?
I've STFW'ed, but could not find anything, so I ask the list, I hope it's not too much of a troll: Is there a free encyclopedia project in hebrew, like wikipedia.org ? If not, does it look like a worth-while project, or is a hebrew translation of wikipedia better ? or perhaps even trying to convince right-owners of hebrew-encyclopedia (which I find very good, but old) to use it as a basis for such a project is feasible ? does such a hypothetical project cuncur with the framework of HAMAKOR ? Can hamakor contact the right-owners (if it is a public institute) of H.E. with such requests ? -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: spam mail filter
IIRC mozilla 1.3a incorporates a bayesian mail filter This will not help you immediately at first, but will quickly improve. STW (or /., or better yet, LWN) for links to theory and discussion. also lookup bogofilter . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi I am looking for a good mail filter to filter all the spam mail i get anyone has experiance with one ? -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Revolution Vs Reform
I think rms and the FSF guys are revolutionaries, while OS guys are reformers. A revolutionary look at the defects of the current system (in this case, potential exploit of proprietary software in terms of human freedom ) and decides to destroy and rebuild (in this case, abolish _ALL_ proprietary information filters). A reformer sees the same issues, but also sees the value in the current system (or the high cost of revolution) and decides to change the system from within. Thus, OS guys try to write open software not just because open standards are better technically, but because of ideology. They, however, do not want to throw away all the great human effort spent on proprietary software RD . But fix the system where it needs it the most. which one is preferable ? it's a matter of a person's temper as well as views. In some cases the system is so bad, the potential difference so great, that a revolution must happen no matter what your temper is. is this such an extreme case ? I'm not convinced that this is the case. I think proposed DRaconian Measures have little chance of succeeding, in the long run. And that even if education does not immediately bear fruit, non-US political powers will stop the legistlation, patenting and hardware-related madness in the short term, after which the djin's out of the bottle. furthermore, I believe proprietary devellopment has its' merits, when functioning as a moderated organ of society and not as an unchecked cancer. so I tend to back the reformers on this one ... -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hebrew sugestion for hacker (was: Re: Academia LeLashon / hackerjargon )
(note, in the following H should be pronounced like hebrew HEIT, or english kh ) I would say something phonetically close to the word hacker. I'd suggest HOKER (from MEHKAR) if it wasn't already taken by researcher. so, perhaps, HAKRAN (pronounced like curious, SAKRAN) ? -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hebrew sugestion for hacker (was: Re: Academia LeLashon / hacker jargon )
OK, I accept. It seems that a new hebrew SHORESH (root ?) is needed in any case. since a new shoresh will sound awkward no matter what the choice is, I do indeed suggest Hei.Kav.Reish (and here I'll use non-capital h for Hei like in hELENA) so the HATAYOT will be exactly like in Heit.Kav.Reish : past: hAKART[I|A|_|EM|EN] , hAKAR[_|A|U] present: hOKER[ |ET |IM |OT] future: EhEKOR, TAhAK[OR|RU|ORNA], TAhKERI, YAhAKERU and the noun should therby be either hOKER, hAKRAN, or, my preference, just hAKER ... Omer Zak wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Guy Baruch wrote: But, what would you suggest as Hebrew word for 'hack'? Both hacker and hack should be translated together into a pair of related Hebrew words. --- Omer WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Strange cout behaviour
what does g++ -E say ? Boulgakov Andrei wrote: Hi! I compile and run small application on 2 RH8 gcc3.2 stations and get different behavior of cout: = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Edu in linux
Nadav Har'El wrote: Recently Channel 2 news carried a story about large families (like yours) whose schools demand 500 shekels a year (or more) from each child for school trips. For the school it's much easier and nicer to force everyone to fit this mold and not cause problems. But what does a person earning 4000 shekels and having just 5 kids, do? Treatment of multiple-children families by the state and society is way OT, as well as politically explosive, lets NOT go there. What does the same person do when his kids' school force his children to write homework on their home computer (so one computer is not enough for all the children, just like one desk is not enough for all of them), or to buy specific software that his childrens' teachers demand? The issue you present here is that pupils are required to use a personal computer _at all_, and cannot use public PCs in the school's lab or library. This is not a free standards issue, and to present it as such weakens other, very strong, claims for free standards (vendor independance, information opacity, service opacity, etc.). Should this hypothetic guy be told to pirate commercial software? Is that any better than telling him if you can't afford paying for your kid's school trips, why don't you just rob a bank? This analogue is, IMHO, a bit unconvincing , for several reasons: 1) the previous remark applies here as well. 2) copying software, although wrong morally and by law , is NOT armed robbery, assault with a deadly weapon, or anything remotely like robbing a bank (or _real_ piracy, for that matter ...) . Relating them is too strong a claim. It's like saying everything who is morally questionable and is against the law is just as bad as robbing a bank.. Such Ad Absurdum claims are not, IMHO, very convincing. Not from the MPAA and not from FS advocates. There should not be a digital divide inside schools... As long as you make sure you reduce inequality w/o lowering the average, like our education system is so fond of doing in the bagrut, for example ... I agree with you that using linux dev-env will help do exactly that. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client
Hello, just a good story for a change, hope it's not too OT. Bank Leumi just recently did a face-lift to their Leumi-Ba-Internet site. I have long viewed their site via Mozilla/Linux, which their old site supported. Problem is, the new site did not work with Mozilla (tried several versions) on linux. After some time with their technical support, they: 1) acknowledged the problem as theirs . 2) said they intend to fix it for the new site . 3) provided me with a workaround . (which, TWIMC, is the old site at (note case): https://hb.leumi.co.il/H/Login.html ) So, with all the stories about sites discriminating against non-IE clients, and all the stories about client-service here in the hot, short-tempered Levant, It's good to see some non-IT companies have the sense to treat the linux minority with a professional, clueful manner. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Mila Tova on Bank Leumi site and linux/mozilla client
OK, I don't want to get into website construction techniques (don't know enough). I found this a good story not because the new or old site dazzeled me by its perfection, but because BLL, although originally making a mistake, had the beitzim/iot to admit it to a private costumer (ar least non-formally), and provided me with a workaround, instead of just ignoring me or trying to snow-job me. Unlike the current journalistic frame of mind, I believe that when a person or an organization makes a mistake, and then responds _constructively_ to criticism, this is a good behaviour. In the short term, they responded well. It remains to be seen wether they will actually fix the new site in the long run. Nadav Har'El wrote: Interesting to see you think it is a *good* story... 2. A company which doesn't want to hear complaints, so instead of having an email address, phone number, or even a decent link, they have a non-functioning javascript complaint form.. I wrote a detailed complaint, but the the send button did not work! I couldn't find an alternative avenue of complaint. The phone number for their costumer-service is on the bottom of their initial login page . So now we have #3 3. They knew they had a problem, and yet they didn't return the old site, nor did they at least provide a link to it on their new site (if the new site doesn't work for you, try A HREF=...this/A). Again, what you say amounts to: this should have been done better technically, to which I wholeheartedly agree. But the issue as I see it is wether linux users are constructively supported _at all_ , and the technical level of BLL site design and mechanics is not so relevant to this list. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sizeof(bool)
redefine as:
enum bool {FALSE; TRUE};
then compile with
gcc -fshort-enums
(which will make _all_ your enums short = non-alligned.)
Michael Sternberg wrote:
I'm wondering why sizeof(bool) is 1 byte in Intel platform and 4 bytes on
PPC ? Is it depends on version of gcc (2.95.3 on Intel, 2.96 on PPC) ?
Can I somehow (some compiler flag) make them of same size ?
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Re: sizeof(bool)
man gcc gives : -- -fshort-enums Allocate to an enum type only as many bytes as it needs for the declared range of possible values. Specifically, the enum type will be equivalent to the smallest integer type which has enough room. -- if on PPC char is 8-bit, then gcc should produce 8-bit enums. else AFAIUnderstand this is a bug. But by all means, please try and report. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pretty sure that you're mistaken. My PPC box is at home so I can't test this, but I'm pretty sure that it will make all the enums equal to type short, and there is NO connection between being a short and being 16-bit. The only restriction on short is that sizeof(short)=sizeof(int)=sizeof(long). Herouth -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Payed Linux installers wanted
I may be a bit paranoid here, but I think there may be implications you're not aware of. what is some criminal element takes advantage of this list ? (wether sex or property crime, or even terrorists; remember the poor 16-yr old who got seduced to ramalla thru the internet, and then murdered.) Apart from the damage to the victim, this could black-image the whole community, and perhaps also involve you personally in police enquiries or even civil lawsuits. Also, do you really want to start dealing with the IRS (mas-hachnasa) ? cause something tells me you will, eventually ... my suggestion is: keep the installations public and non-commercial, as in insta-parties. If anyone wants to make non-formal buisness, there's always mouth to ear. -- just FUD for thought from the amature paranoid. Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi all, During last Linux instaparty, one of the (only) people who came took the RedHat 8.0 CDs, but did not have a computer ready. She asked whether we could come over and install the computer for her on a later date (for a fee). I said /I/ couldn't, but I was willing to be a go-between and find out for her. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Payed Linux installers wanted
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Also, do you really want to start dealing with the IRS (mas-hachnasa) ? cause something tells me you will, eventually ... I can see mas-hachnasa supina-ing his records, or interogating him. I certainly do not see how Shachar or the list (which is not a legal entity as far as I can tell) can be held responsible for financial transactions that occur as a consequence of a posting. This is no different from me telling you - by email, personally, or on the phone - that I know a good plumber who can fix your sink. yes, but if you introduce yourself as a member of the plumbers' organization in Israel that means you're introducing yourself as an expert and that may put some responsibility on you. Especially if this is a database given as a part of linux-il activities. Now, please note that there is a Consultants database of IGLU. If it is out of date no one but ourselves is to blame. The rest of the thread has grown way off-topic. not off-topic, perhaps far-fetched. IIUC Sh.Sh. is proposing this as a part of linux-il activity. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ever wanted to have a lawyer at your mercy?
1) regarding liability: arrange with some company to sell HDs _on localation_ and give them the option of installing on existing HD (potentially dangerous etc.) or buy a second, cheap HD (safer). 2) regarding apps attractive to lawyers: gnucash (though I have problems with it on RH 8.0 ). gnupg and encryption. I suggest demonstrating : email signing email encryption. whole file-system encryption. perhaps gnu-keyring ? 3) I vaguely recall something about Prof. L. Lessig participating in some kind of legal commons initiative of sorts. I'm not sure How it was called and what happened to it since, but a knowledgeable person (pref. lawyer ...) giving a lecture seems appropriate. Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: When: December 2nd, 15:30. that's cutting it a bit close, no ? -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: on lasers
the CDROMs and burners I saw are class one devices: --- _Class 1:_ Class 1 lasers are the lowest powered lasers and considered harmless unless tampering with the device has occurred. An example of a Class 1 laser product is a CD-ROM player. (from http://www.weizmann.ac.il/safety/laserTC.html ) --- one should look at the label for each device ... Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: I don't know the parameters, but my guess is that its power is not all that great (though I do want to be careful). If that is right, it can only damage the eye if it is UV (I doubt). wrong. UV will burn the lens or cornea and cause photo-chemical damage. This kind of physical damage is nasty, but not always irreperable (in the extreme one can implant a lens or cornea) (I saw in a previous job a man who actually shot his own eye with an air-gun. His CT looked to my untrained eyes as quite a mess, but the retina wasn't hurt, so the technitian said the doctors will probably fix it, which they eventually did.) visible and IR-A pass thru the lens like a hot knife thru butter, they can then cause retinal (neuronal) damage. This is AFAIK irreperable blindness. As in blind for life. AFAIK cd-drives are red wavelength, but their power is small. However, I wouldn't bet my eyes on it. Even that is not too bad since I am wearing glasses... Looking at the light of a Xerox machine is probably worse. 1) glasses are no reliable protection against visible-light laser. 2) glasses are reflective. If a hazardous laser bounces of from them it can hurt someone else . ;-) Tartei Mashma ... -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: right or wrong to copy proprietary software
1) IANAL, but I'm not sure the legal term is indeed theft. If you're planing a serious pro-bono article I'd suggest contacting attorney Ravia for legal advice. 2) Although (AFAIK) copying current comercial software is indeed, and IMHO should be, a fellony, (whatever it's called), please STW for discussions on abandonware and about impacts of copy protection (legal and technical) on tomorrow's librarians. Tal Achituv wrote: I need to write an essay about is it right or wrong to copy proprietary software Can some of you please point me to good resources on the subject? Thanks, Tal. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html --- The subspace W inherits the other 8 properties of V. And there aren't even any property taxes. -- J. MacKay, Mathematics 134b --- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: THE MOVEMENT!
I'd call Official_Flamer(Official_Flamer) but does it stop ? Nadav Har'El wrote: On Tue, Nov 19, 2002, Marc A. Volovic wrote about THE MOVEMENT!: http://www.britmandate.com/ And this is relevant to Linux because -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html --- The subspace W inherits the other 8 properties of V. And there aren't even any property taxes. -- J. MacKay, Mathematics 134b --- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux article (fwd) ronny@pcon.co.il
for academic supercomputers in israel, try: http://www.machba.ac.il/ then click on the last item, HCPU . in it, you'll find: The machine installed at Tel-Aviv University - Or - has 56 nodes (112 R12000 400Mhz Processors) and 512MB memory, allowing for a maximum of 28Gb RAM and 600Gb of local (internal) disk space with 72 gigaflops peak performance. Peak performance of each processor: 800Mflops. (I haven't worked with them myself) Ehud Karni wrote: I have another related question: are there bigger dedicated number cruncher in TAU (possibly SGI or CRAY) ? Ehud. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT, NDA (was: Looking for a Job : Shlomi Fish' Bio)
I hope this is not too OT for this list, but why not sign an NDA ? I understand not signing total relinquishment of one's past, present or future IP to one's (prospective) employer. (I refused signing such an agreement for a previous employer) I very much agree with not signing anything you have not read before. (ask prospective employer to fax NDA before interview and review it) but not to sign an NDA at all ? why not ? the prospective employer entrusts me with delicate information, I agree to keep his secrets anyway (to the limits of law), why not agree in writing ? One's idea(l)s on OS and open standards does not mean one shouldn't keep secrets. Unless you believe there shouldn't be any comercial secrets _at all_ ? correct me if I'm missing something ... Shlomi Fish wrote: 1. I will not sign an NDA. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:guybar;plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
interlaced awk ?
Hello scriptics and text filtering gurus. I need to filter information from several text files. Is there an awk-like tool which takes as input several files and filters them in an interlaced manner ? or a tool which interlaces text files line by line ? Of course one can write such, but my guess this is such a basic capability someone already had. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:guybar;plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: interlaced awk ? = paste | awk
Thanks Tzafrir, the answer is using paste: paste [...] | awk and making the awk script treat odd and even (for 2 files) differently. actually that may be generated automagically for more files ... Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 04:31:48PM +0200, Guy Baruch wrote: Can you filter them one at a time, or do you need to cross reference them? no, filtering one at a time is simply calling: awk [options] file1 file2 ... which is equivalent to calling: cat file1 file2 ... | awk [options] this I would have found myself with man awk . Could you define what you mean by 'interlaced' here? are the files cross referential? interlaced as in paste. Taking a line from each file in order. The files are not cross referential, However they have identical formats and I need to rearange the information of several files into a new file. (to exchange parameter--variable in some numeric data) -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:guybar;plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fwd: Where'd the cpu cycles go ?
3.5 orders of magnitude suggests he went from ram access (perhaps cache) to disk access. my guess is your configuration of 8.0 takes more memory = he's thrashing. what does free tells him in each case ? Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Be careful with RH 8. 0 if you plan to use it on some heavy workload with some scripts... Thanks, Hetz -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:guybar;plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gnucash translation
was there any work done on translating gnucash ? and if so, by whom ? -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:guybar;plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
no space left on device false positive
Hello. I'm trying to create an internal freedb server on my home machine. this DB has very large directories with a lot of small entries. I have it on a default ext3 partition, and it takes 2.4GB on the HD. The reason being that most the files are ~1K files. Since I had some space left, I created a 4GB partition and formated it with mkfs -t ext3 -b 1024 this went fine. however, when trying to copy the DB to the new partition, I have recieved no space left on device error repeatedly. The copying reduces 2GB into ~700MB before it exits, and trying to copy the remainder fails on the same error. df reports this partition has ~700M occupied, ~3.2GB free, so there really is space left on device. this happens both on redhat 7.3 and 8.0, default kernels. any ideas ? -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: why not reiserfs
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Just a comment: You create a special partition for this, and it is supposed to have large directories with lots of small files. Did you consider use reiserfs? yes, I know ext2/3 is not a good choice, (quadratic behaviour on copy). reiserfs would have been my first choice, however: man mkreiserfs gives: BUGS No other blocksizes but 4k are available. so using reiserfs will not save space. ext2/3 do have 1K block-size. I do the copy once. Since this is a home-server (no more than 2-3 queries a day), saving 1.6GB storage is more important than freedb server performance or initial copy time. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A disturbing article...
Guy Cohen wrote: Thats a good example. I'm starting to learn auto mechanics tomorrow. It will take me a while to learn, but next time my car brakes, I won't have to spend all that money at the shop. There is a point of diminishing return when trying to study _everything_ , while it may be good to study all the time, the phrase jack of all trades, master of none does have a point. IMHO some sort of annealing-like approach is best. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Technical Question
since It is probably a good idea to backup all your data before doing anything so drastic, why not just back-up, repartition and reformat ? Orr Dunkelman wrote: Does Anybody happen to know whether MDK 9.0/RH 8.0 installations can resize NTFS partitions? Assume that the NTFS partition is defraged and everything. If this is not the case, could you please recomend a tool (the free-er the better) which does the job? TIA, -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. -- English folk poem, circa 1764 http://bostonreview.mit.edu/BR27.3/bollier.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Qtext
There's something in this thread I may be a bit too simple to understand.
I assume bidi support is really better than in current products, are the
algorithms
patented ?
if so, I'm not really sure what good will releasing _the source_ to public
domain will do, at least for law-abiding entities ( {persons} \subset
{entities} ... :) ).
If , OTOH, there are no patents, than wouldn't releasing the source be
beneficial to other projects regardless of the porting effort ?
To summarize, it seems to me the porting effort, requires that
the source be released, but IMHO its' feasibility should not hinder efforts
to release the source.
I, for one, am willing to donate a modest amount (~100 shekels) for the
explicit
purpose of releasing the source (unburdened by patents) to public domain.
Moshe Kaminsky wrote:
Hi,
When I was a kid, I used a word processor called Qtext on my dos
machine. It was a freeware written by an Israeli guy, and had a better
(by far) bidi support than any alternative I knew.
Yesterday, I discovered that I work with the guy who wrote it in the
same room. He told me that Qtext still exists, it is no longer a
freeware (it belongs to his kibutz) and that it still has the best bidi
support (they have only a window$ version). He also told me that the
developement of Qtext has stopped, since people seem to prefer M$ word
(apparently for the same obscure reasons they prefer other M$
software :). Anyway, he told me that they might be willing to sell the
source. Since they ceased developing it, I guess the price won't be very
high, and if it is possible to port it to linux, this might be the best
bidi word processor we have (it also supports Arabic and nikud).
My question is, is there someone who might want to fund it?
Moshe
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Re: OpenSSL benchmark and my computer
Oded Arbel wrote: Hi list. ... First I've run the OpenSSL speed test on several machines I have access to, and summerized the 512b and 4096b keys verifys/sec. to make a long story short, the AMD Duron 700MHz I'm running at home had 7202,202 respectivly, while the P4 1.5GHz I'm running at work showed 6910,191 respectivly. what is sample size ? what is standard deviation ? what are significant digits ? I was thinking to myself - I know that Pentium 4 uses a radicly different processor architecture then P3 and other x86 compatibles and needs to have programs recompiled to it for the best performance (IIRC I've read it somewhere). I tried to recompile OpenSSL for my Penitum 4 - apparently it wasn't that easy. what compiler version ? did you try intel's compiler ? I just went ahead and ran 'openssl speed' on the binary produced in the build directory. interestingly enough, the results were even lower (!) then the previous benchmark on the same machine. again, could be measurement error . BTW - It's a P4 with SDRAM, while the Duron is sporting DDRs. not that I think it matters, as the OpenSSL speedtest is about raw processing power and not memory bandwidth - a lowley 72pin DRAM can handle the memory requirements of that benchmark. compile it statically, send it to a friend with RDRAM P4 , test hypothesis ... (also IIRC there are utilities to measure cache miss ratio, STW for one) -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. --English folk poem, circa 1764 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LWN: The end of the road
http://lwn.net/Articles/5409/ -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- If you've got something in your pocket that says, In God We Trust on it, please send it to your local church where it belongs, before it's too late! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost
Eliran wrote: Quake 1-3 and Unreal works there even better than on win machines, games are available to purchase from locki. sorry to point the obvious here, but loki went down in a mantle of flames (have I gotten my mythologies mixed up ? o:-) ) so no, there are no serious new games for linux, even the extensions to Heroes-III were never done (which I'm sure would have been quite easy for 3do to do, once they had the original port.) (by serious I mean commercially serious, so lets not start a game-quality flame-war anyone) -- a href=http://www.rootshell.be/~eg;Eliran G./a -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- If you've got something in your pocket that says, In God We Trust on it, please send it to your local church where it belongs, before it's too late! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mozilla mailer bug ? (was Re: Machba and Hebrew)
thanks to all that responded, and specific thanks for Eran which dilligently located the problem. it is not a Mozilla bug but a bug in weizmann's firewall. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- If you've got something in your pocket that says, In God We Trust on it, please send it to your local church where it belongs, before it's too late! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mozilla mailer bug ? (was Re: Machba and Hebrew)
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Re: where has free software gone? (was Re: knesset meeting on opensource)
Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: The solution to your problem is of course to release your software under the GPL in the first place and sell it at reasonable prices. That or write software that 10th graders can't implement. If you intended to make money on such software in the first place, you were clearly kidding yourself. but for hard problems the problem is much worse: just by being a sophisticated user of a non-trivial software project you can deduct major portions of the solutions being used, and perhaps more importantly, the questions asked in the original RD process. real RD , i.e. solving problems nobody has solved before, and projecting on future needs is much, much harder than following in someones footsteps. there is real innovation done in the technological world (SW or other) , and no, not all of it is done in the academia or by dedicated volunteers, much of it is in the industry by people getting paid from investors seeking to profit on their investments. as said elsewhere many times, it is desirable to give investors the opportunity to profit on their investment, like contributing organs in the body, but not to enable them to act like a cancerous-cell, maximizing profit by all means, and choking society via monopoles and cartels (which is the situation today) to summarize: just saying do real RD and you will not suffer from copycats seems naive in my oppinion, real RD will get hit the worst from copycats. but the situation today is too tilted in the investors' and lawyers' favour. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- If you've got something in your pocket that says, In God We Trust on it, please send it to your local church where it belongs, before it's too late! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where has free software gone? (was Re: knesset meeting on opensource)
but taking exactly your example, if AIDS was not a disease affecting rich people (and , the horror, heterosexual white males at that) there would have been almost no AIDS research at all (in the academia as well), so that people would die not only for 5 more years but for 50. (and don't tell me the altruistic doctors of the world would have develloped the cure on their own, since the process of devellopment and QA of a cure is so work intensive it could not be done at present scales and speeds by volunteers or indipendant researchers) Greedy people can be used to the overwhole benefit at a cost. the cost may sometimes (as in your case) be very immoral, but unless you have a better method, we still need (balanced) greed. Tzahi Fadida wrote: Lets see if I understand you correctly. A company created an AIDS cocktail. now, because it was so expensive for them to create, they want a return in the short term, i.e.: 3-5 years. Taking your perspective, would also mean that 1 third from the third world can just stick their heads in the sand and hope some miracle dust will cure them. This method is ridiculous, and should be prohibited. Greedy profiteers always existed throughout history enjoying the suffering of the weak and helpless. Thank you for clearing that out. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- If you've got something in your pocket that says, In God We Trust on it, please send it to your local church where it belongs, before it's too late! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where has free software gone? (was Re: knesset meeting on opensource)
I don't understand the sense in your answer at all. I said that balanced capitalism (a symbiotic approach) produces medicines to everyone faster , and ultimately saves more lives for the develloped countries as well. you reply was making an analouge to genocide in order to produce living space: an ultra-parasitic approach. basicly you used an ad-absurdum analogy to give destructive critics of the current situation: from this you imply we should not leave matters of life death to greedy profiteers and I reply we should not leave matters of life and death to UNCONSTRAINED greedy profiteers. because if greedy profiteers can save lives, why NOT use them ? but put some constraints on them, make sure their greed will not be the ONLY driving force in your system, so that you'll have symbiosys instead of parasicity. so that, e.g., hiding drugs will be an offense for which the company will be fined, say, 20% of it's market worth and it's managers will go to jail for a long time. there are other such constraints you can put on capitalism, but just nationalizing every drug (which is what you suggest) is IMHO like spilling the baby with the water. Tzahi Fadida wrote: Yeah I know, lets kill a few homeless guys to create a new WTC, hmm... on the other hand, if we will kill all Jews there would be enough space to build a city. Nah, lets just go with Nigerians or some other minority. the cost may sometimes (as in your case) be very immoral. Enough sarcasm. Its not just me, most countries are beginning to see the point I am talking about, and allowing third world countries to copy some of the drugs to get them by for now. The software, copyright, patents are not just issues to talk about but do nothing or talking up high from ivory towers. There are lives at stake here, we should not leave it to the good will of the drug companies who enjoys benefits, and many returns other than these drugs. * - * - * Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My Cool Site: HTTP://WWW.My2Nis.Com * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * WARNING TO SPAMMERS: see at http://members.lycos.co.uk/my2nis/spamwarning.html -Original Message- From: Guy Baruch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 4:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; linux-il Subject: Re: where has free software gone? (was Re: knesset meeting on open source) but taking exactly your example, if AIDS was not a disease affecting rich people (and , the horror, heterosexual white males at that) there would have been almost no AIDS research at all (in the academia as well), so that people would die not only for 5 more years but for 50. (and don't tell me the altruistic doctors of the world would have develloped the cure on their own, since the process of devellopment and QA of a cure is so work intensive it could not be done at present scales and speeds by volunteers or indipendant researchers) Greedy people can be used to the overwhole benefit at a cost. the cost may sometimes (as in your case) be very immoral, but unless you have a better method, we still need (balanced) greed. Tzahi Fadida wrote: Lets see if I understand you correctly. A company created an AIDS cocktail. now, because it was so expensive for them to create, they want a return in the short term, i.e.: 3-5 years. Taking your perspective, would also mean that 1 third from the third world can just stick their heads in the sand and hope some miracle dust will cure them. This method is ridiculous, and should be prohibited. Greedy profiteers always existed throughout history enjoying the suffering of the weak and helpless. Thank you for clearing that out. -- -- regards +- -- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +- -- If you've got something in your pocket that says, In God We Trust on it, please send it to your local church where it belongs, before it's too late! To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- If you've got something in your pocket that says, In God We Trust on it, please send it to your local church where it belongs, before it's too late! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: knesset meeting on open source
Nadav Har'El wrote: spent in a different manner. Even if $3 million of that $5 million is still spent on commercial software, you could do wonders with that extra $2 million - such as hiring 20 top-notch programmers (for $100,000 a year) for writing open-source software for the government, or giving 200 people (!) a 50,000 shekel grant to work on open-source software of their preference. or giving 2000 third-year C.S. / engineering undergraduates 5000 sheqels discount on tuition if they choose an israelly-related OS project as their final workshop. or treating some goverment-directed OS projects as MECHOYAVUT HEVRATIT that entitles you to PERACH (this actually may cost very little) -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- If you've got something in your pocket that says, In God We Trust on it, please send it to your local church where it belongs, before it's too late! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (OFF TOPIC) mickey mice :)
of course this is a trivial calculation to do, but it has to be done many times, by many people, that's why I think Shaul's idea of publishing it is a nice idea. in other words: a mickey mouse calculation repeated by 10^5 people 10^2 times each adds up to a whole lot of cuteish mice. Nadav Har'El wrote: Sorry then, I have no use for your mickey mouse interest-rate calculation programs, because I'm going with the pros, and they are giving me the best possible interest rate! And before people start asking me: no, this posting is NOT serious. Please don't flame me :) -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any other invention, with the possible exceptions of handguns and Tequilla. -- Mitch Ratcliffe = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.0.2 is out, but...
IIRC output of gcc-3.1 is not binary compatible with output of gcc-2.9x (I'm not sure if it's just for C++ or also for C as well) Shaul Karl wrote: What sense of not binary-compatible do you refer to? -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any other invention, with the possible exceptions of handguns and Tequilla. -- Mitch Ratcliffe = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [gnubies-il] The Knesset will discuss Open Source! (fwd)
you can (in my oppinion should) mention the american NSA's secure linux: http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/index.html a technical part of the american inteligence community choose a free dev-model and linux as a platform devellop a secure system. this will probably interest most MKs better than scientific papers, since it is a decision, not an academic list of recommendations and criteria. Subject: [gnubies-il] The Knesset will discuss Open Source! Shalom, I was invited to a hearing, which will take place next Sunday (14-7-2002) in the Science committee of the Knesset, regarding Open Source Systems in the Israeli Government. ... -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any other invention, with the possible exceptions of handguns and Tequilla. -- Mitch Ratcliffe = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(OFF TOPIC) Re: Mortage/Saving analisys script
this is OT for linux-il, but anyone trying the script should consider some of the following. 1) this is a very nice idea, thanks for the effort. 2) 1% saving interest as default is way too low, today even without bargaining you can get 2.25% for a bi-yearly program (and still be shafted), 2.5% seems a more realistic value (though investing in bonds may give much higher yield). 3) for the mortgage interest you need to split for misrad-hashikun (~4% IIRC) and bank's mortgage. 4) saving in a bi-yearly plan can give you ribit de ribit i.e. exponential growth e.g. using 10 by-yearly programs, at a measly 2.5% a year, gives: 1.05+1.05^2+...+1.05^10 - 32% profit instead of 2.5% linear interest: 1.05 + 1.1 + ... + 1.5 - 27.5% profit ( of course exponential growth gives better results for higher interest rates) such an option should be added to the script. 5) note this script gives the result for a simple arithmethic series (or geometric, using above saving method), no need to calculate saving for each year. (if you want I'll send you the calculations, you can add them to the project) 6) regarding the script: the yearly printouts are also not needed. disclaimer: IANA financial expert of any kind ... Lior Kesos wrote: I wrote a little python script that analyzes the rent VS buying a house conflict in Israel ... I'm aware of it's naiveness - with changing $ rates,changing prime and changing moods silvan klein but I've found it to be usefull when making financial descssions. Please feel free to send me and ideas,bugs,rants flames. It resides in http://whybuy.sourceforge.net -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any other invention, with the possible exceptions of handguns and Tequilla. -- Mitch Ratcliffe = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
read problem when having both DVD and CDRW drives on same ide
Hello, I don't think this is a newbie question, as I've already RTFM'ed and STFW'ed. my appology to anyone who does. synopsis: attempting to use both dvd-drive and CDRW on same ide causes the first (DVD) to be able to read only the TOC of a disk (i.e. I can see the contents but copying to the HD fails) system: -- cpu: athlon XP 1700+ mother board: asus A7V266-E-sound HD: WD800BB 80 GB 7200 RPM UATA 100 2 MB Cache as primary master /dev/hda DVD: asus E616 DVD-ROM as secondary master /dev/hdc CDRW: yamaha CRW4416EZ as secondary slave /dev/hdd mouse and keyboard are PS/2 ones. OS: win 98 and RH 7.2 descriprion: --- I bought a new machine (full description bellow) with an asus DVD reader , and installed both linux and win 98. I later tried to install my old yamaha CDRW drive on the same ide. the BIOS recognizes both my DVD and the CDRW, but lets me use only PIO (3) for the old CDRW drive. then , when I try to read a disk from my DVD drive, I can see the contents (both in win98 explorer and with linux ls command) but cannot read/copy the contents of the disk. any word of wisdom will be appreciated. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- to Copy Protect is to rob the future... http://www.bricklin.com/robfuture.htm = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
read problem when having both an asus DVD and yamaha CDRW on same IDE
Hello, I don't think this is a newbie question, as I've allready RTFM'ed and STFW'ed. my appology to anyone who does. synopsis: attempting to use both dvd-drive and CDRW on same ide causes the first (DVD) to be able to read only the TOC of a disk (i.e. I can see the contents but copying to the HD fails) system: -- cpu: athlon XP 1700+ mother board: asus A7V266-E-sound HD: WD800BB 80 GB 7200 RPM UATA 100 2 MB Cache as primary master /dev/hda DVD: asus E616 DVD-ROM as secondary master /dev/hdc CDRW: yamaha CRW4416EZ as secondary slave /dev/hdd mouse and keyboard are PS/2 ones. OS: win 98 and RH 7.2 descriprion: --- I bought a new machine (full description above) with an asus DVD drive, and installed both linux and win 98. I later tried to install my old yamaha CDRW drive on the same ide. the BIOS recognizes both my DVD and the CDRW, but lets me use only PIO (3) for the old CDRW drive. then , when I try to read a disk from my DVD drive, I can see the contents (both in win98 explorer and with linux ls command) but cannot read/copy the contents of the disk. since the CDRW was bought before the current system I cannot approach plonter for support. any help or words of wisdom will be appreciated. -- -- regards +--- + Guy Baruch , Plasma Laboratory, Weizmann Institue. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + phone: 972-8-934-2211 +--- to Copy Protect is to rob the future... http://www.bricklin.com/robfuture.htm = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: A version of tar using bzip2
Is there one including bzip2 ? (Yes I know I can use tar and then bzip2, Its just that gtar cfz is shorter and nicer) -- regards +-- + Guy Baruch , physics student , hebrew university jerusalem. + mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] + Tel: 02-6420253 mobile: 053-308133 work: 03-9004031 +-- Quantum Mechanics is a lovely introduction to Hilbert Spaces! -- Overheard at last year's Archimedeans' Garden Party = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
licenses. [was: Re: M$ IL latest craze]
leaving aside questions of intelectual property, morals Vs law etc. let me point a future direction, which looks like the most probable to me: 1) unique CPU IDs will become the norm. 2) software companies, M$ included, will have license managers inside their software, which will make it impractical to activate it outside the liscence boundaries (to "pirate" it.) I think this is the most probable scheme because: 1) I think this is the scheme intel and M$ (corporate partners) are ploting together with P-III, and they do control the market. (sigh) 2) It is in the interest of other (commercial) software developpers, and they'll make it the norm. The implications are: This will return the software buisness to the normal market scheme: If you want IT (say, windows) badly enough - you'll pay for it, otherwise you'll look for alternatives (say, linux...) for another price. This is actually GOOD for linux, I think, because it will enable both non-free and free software on the PC in general, and on linux in particular. Actually it may even be profitable to M$ to lower the prices then ... my 2 agorot ...
