Re: Motherboard experiance

2002-04-30 Thread m.w.chang

I could only recommend PCCHips MR830

Harry G wrote:
 I would like to know if anyone has any fairly recent experience with 
 the following motherboards with Linux:
 
 Biostar M7KQ 
 
 PC Chips 817 LR

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Re: Hey Doug, you around..?

2002-04-30 Thread m.w.chang

did you restart /etc/rc.d/init.d/mta?
did you have a .forward file in /home/* or maybe a /etc/procmailrc?
are you sure that you modified the right sendmail.cf?

Bill Day wrote:
 I boobed my sendmail 8.12.3 isntall or something
 
 I don't want to use procmail, just the caldera default I was using on 8.9.x
 Apr 29 16:33:21 linuxbox sendmail[7157]: g3TLNrQ7007005: Warning: 
 program /usr/bin/procmail unsafe: No such file or directory


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Re: OT free mags

2002-04-30 Thread m.w.chang

some of them are not exactly free, at least, not for people who's not 
considered professionals and important by the publishers. :)

Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
 I guess most of us know how to read and dont mind freebies. 
 So.
 http://ideacafe.tradepub.com/cat/Comp.cat.html
 


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cdrtools 1.11alpha

2002-04-30 Thread Tim Wunder

Anybody using CDRtools 1.11alpha?
Looks like the latest xcdroast requires alpha 19 or better. Trying to find out 
if anybody's using it before I get too deep into installing.
Thanks, 
Tim
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Re: OT New kernels... new bugs... new problems... new woes...

2002-04-30 Thread Kurt Wall

Scribbling feverishly on April 27, Jerry McBride managed to emit:
 I just grabbed a copy of kernel version 2.5.10 and thought I'd see how the
 progress has been. Prior to 2.5.10 I was running 2.5.7 on pretty much
 everything I own, aside from my personal lan server.
 
 Anyways... it sucks. 

It being a development kernel, I can't say I'm surprised. You
shouldn't be, either. I follow l.k.m.l. pretty closely, so I know
that there's a good deal of code in flux in 2.5.x.

 I'm sure the efforts put into the new kernel tree are well worth the time.
 I mean after all, this will eventually end up being TNG and all... but
 WOW! There's something wrong when a humble guy, like my self, has to wade
 into the make files with a text editor and fix stupid syntax errors,
 misspellings and left behind garbage, before the damn thing will even
 begin to compile. Then there's those multiple modules that simply refuse
 to compile no matter how much error correcting is done...

This is precisely what I'd expect in a development kernel. Maybe it
works, maybe it doesn't. If it doesn't, fix it, submit a patch
against the latest code, and go back to testing. The FAQ says it so
much better than I can:

2. What is an experimental kernel version?
   + (ADB) Linux kernel versions are divided in two series:
 experimental (odd series e.g. 1.3.xx or 2.1.x) and production
 (even series e.g. 1.2.xx, 2.0.xx or the forthcoming 2.2.x).
 The experimental series are fast moving versions which are
 used to test new features, algorithms, device drivers, etc.
 By their own nature the experimental kernels may behave in
 unpredictable ways, so one may experience data losses, random 
 machine lockups, etc.

 Is this progress?

Yup, but not for end users.

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Re: Ethernet-driver looks for pci-scan.h/kern_compat.h

2002-04-30 Thread Kurt Wall

Scribbling feverishly on April 29, Hermann-Josef Beckers managed to emit:
 
 and I'm looking too. I try to compile a driver for a RE100TX Fast Ethernet 
 Adapter (RTl8129/8139-chips). The file re100tx.c wants to include those files.
 
 rpmfind.net finds nothing. Any hints?

Mmm - the 8139 series is supported in the 8139too driver. The
re100tx.c doesn't exist in the 2.4 krenel, as far as I can see.

Blessed be,

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low end laser printer?

2002-04-30 Thread Marianne Taylor

I am in the market for a low end laser printer.  I am not keen on the Lexmark 
E210 as the toner is almost as expensive as the printer.  I am looking at the 
Brother 1440, which isn't cheap, but it seems to run fine on linux.  I am 
running Linux from scratch so I don't want to use Samsung ml 1250, as it 
seems to only have rpms. 
Any other suggestions?
Any experience with the brother HL1440?
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Re: Motherboard experiance

2002-04-30 Thread Bob Raymond

Harry G wrote:

I would like to know if anyone has any fairly recent experience with 
the following motherboards with Linux:

Biostar M7KQ 

PC Chips 817 LR

ECS K7SEM

Amptron SUS735

Or any related units?  I am about to embark on a new adventure:  
Building a box from scratch, and really don't need any additional 
challenges, so to speak.

Or if there are any other brands you would recommend or warn me about?

TIA


Harry G
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Only from scratch board I've used in Linux I won't recommend, not 
because it isn't
a good board, but because it is one of those outdated SDRAM models.  VIA 
really
has come a long way, so if you do want an inexpensive, rock solid, SDRAM 
board,
I could recommend my EPoX 8KTA3Pro (add a plus if you want RAID), but as 
most people
buy DDR now, you may not want one like that.  The board only crashes 
when the CPU
overheats, even in Windows (but also with Linux), and the system has 
only been off
for major upgrades since October. I've had to reboot, but that's only 
because I
dual-boot.

Best advantage of the board is that I've not seen one IRQ conflict yet. 
 I've got stuff
filling the AGP slot, and then slots 1-4, and still no problems.  If you 
need ISA,
it's got that as well.

Only complaint is that I didn't wait for the Athlon XP and didn't get a 
DDR board, and I
guess the temperature monitoring could leave a little to be desired.

My $0.02

Bob Raymond


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Re: Kernel 2.5.11 up for testing... Here's my take.

2002-04-30 Thread Collins

On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:33:03 -0400 Jerry McBride
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Boy it came fast. It looks as though my emails were answered as
 2.5.11 does not crap duing compile where 2.5.10 did. :0)
 
 However, getting the frame buffer protion to compile is... well..
 sticky. I think maybe 2.5.12 will be the fix for that one.
 
 So far, it looks as though my mother was correct in teaching me,
 the squeaky wheel get the grease. It's alive and well. From what I
 can tell, more of the source code was tested for compiling than
 2.5.10. 
 

Even the 2.4.x stable series has some compile failures and data
integrity failures from time to time, but what you're dealing with is
a total crap shoot.  Consider yourself lucky if you don't roll
snakeyes.

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Re: Motherboard experiance

2002-04-30 Thread Marianne Taylor

On April 29, 2002 03:16 pm, you wrote:
 I would like to know if anyone has any fairly recent experience with
 the following motherboards with Linux:

 Biostar M7KQ

 PC Chips 817 LR

 ECS K7SEM

 Amptron SUS735

 Or any related units?  I am about to embark on a new adventure:
 Building a box from scratch, and really don't need any additional
 challenges, so to speak.

 Or if there are any other brands you would recommend or warn me about?

 TIA


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I am running a Microstar board.  I have had two others in the past, and I am 
happy with them.  Currently I have a K7T Turbo-R with AMD thunderbird 1.33 
Ghz.

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Postscript question

2002-04-30 Thread Joel Hammer

I would like to be able to merge two encapsulated postscript documents into
one document, all on one page.  Is there an easy way to do this?

I an generating postscript charts from GNUplot, using epsffit to size the
plot just so, and printing them onto a letter sized page. I would like to be
able to merge a second postscript file into this first document, which would
include comments etc.

I am considering the annoying method of editing the postscript file
generated by GNUplot, but that would be a last resort.

Any insight appreciated,
Thanks
Joel
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Re: Backup medium

2002-04-30 Thread Susan Macchia

I do the same thing for backups.  CDRWs, 4-6 to rotate.  And a couple of
floppies for my pilot data and budget (until they get too big).

Works for me :-)

My machine is used both for @ home business, but mostly personal and is shared
with my spouse.

- Jim Connor wrote:
For just a gig or two, I'd use 2-3 CDRWs(or even 4-6 to rotate) to backup the 
stuff you need.  The cost of a CDRW drive and media is smaller than any tape 
solution that you would find.  I've used tape backups, and if not checked 
regularilly for errors and tape deteriation, you can end up with a bad 
backup.  Then again, I haven't used any DDS3 drives(or better quality), maybe 
they are more reliable.

Jim

On Monday, April 29, 2002 11:29, Harry G wrote:
  Define small users.

 Just one or two users.  If you saw me, you would be hard pressed to
 call me a small user, though  :0)


 Also, some information on what the box is used

  for might help.  How much data do you need to backup, and how often
  do you need to back it up?

 My personal business box, and I need to keep a gig or so of data in
 safe keeping.

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Re: XFS

2002-04-30 Thread Burns MacDonald

Llama uttered:
 A common misconception is that JFS is based on IBM's AIX filesystem.  But
 in reality, its based on OS/2's filesystem, which makes it a lot less
 impressive (IMO).


FWIW, I don't find AIX as particularly impressive either.

A lot of the drivers are only half-cooked and/or flaky;  it suffers from a
serious lack of 3rd party development (i.e. drivers and applications).
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Re: cdrtools 1.11alpha

2002-04-30 Thread Tim Wunder

On Monday 29 April 2002 10:07 pm, Tim Wunder wrote:
 Anybody using CDRtools 1.11alpha?
 Looks like the latest xcdroast requires alpha 19 or better. Trying to find
 out if anybody's using it before I get too deep into installing.
 Thanks,
 Tim

Well, I installed cdrtools 1.11 alpha21. Had to yank out 5 caldera rpm's, 
cdrecord-1.10-2, cdda2wav-1.10-2, cdfs-1.10-2. mkisofs-1.10-2, 
gcombust-0.1.43-1col (dependancy issues).
Installed xcdroast alpha 10, and...
it's hardly worth the upgrade. eroaster is far better as a GUI. Even gcombust 
(if I could only figger out how to get a good audio burn) is more user 
friendly than xcdroast. The only improvement is that it's easier to set up 
for non-root burning.
It still doesn't have what I really want, the ability to copy an audio disk on 
the fly. Anybody know how to do that from the command line?

Regards,
Tim

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Re: low end laser printer?

2002-04-30 Thread Kurt Wall

Scribbling feverishly on April 29, Marianne Taylor managed to emit:
 I am in the market for a low end laser printer.  I am not keen on the Lexmark 
 E210 as the toner is almost as expensive as the printer.  I am looking at the 
 Brother 1440, which isn't cheap, but it seems to run fine on linux.  I am 
 running Linux from scratch so I don't want to use Samsung ml 1250, as it 
 seems to only have rpms. 
 Any other suggestions?

Have a look at http://www.linuxprinting.org/. The site has a nice
list of printers known to work with Linux. Some Lexmark printers are
included, and Lexmark provides actual Linux drivers (I believe they
are binary only, but I could be mistaken).

 Any experience with the brother HL1440?

None here.

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Re: FW: SCO Foxpro 2.6 for Unix

2002-04-30 Thread Net Llama!

On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, m.w.chang wrote:
 No..He's trying to run SCO FoxPro on linux by tuning the terminal
 parameters properly. He's been doing it for nearly a year and had some
 results. You could donwload the foxpro 2.5 ruintime (initially for for

I could, but i think the more important question is why would i want to?
Foxpro is a joke of a database.

 SCO) from his site and run foxpro programs in linux via the runtime. I
 think he wanted to solve the problem with mouse. Foxpro/DOS 2.5 has
 mouse support.

 Never used SCO myself. Can one use a mouse with the console only in SCO?
 Or is it possible to emulate a DOS-like mouse in linux console via
 /dev/mouse? :)

That would be gpm (general purpose mouse) in linux.  I've no clue if such
a thing exists in SCO.

I'll say it again, whoever this Dennis Allen guy is, it doesn't sound like
he has the first clule of what he's doing.


 Net Llama! wrote:
  Err...last I checked, this was neither a SCO or a UNIX mailing list.
  Hell, its not even a BSD list.
 
  FWIW, whoever this Dennis Allen guy is, it doesn't sound like he has the
  first clue of what he's doing.  What do SCO mouse drivers have to do with
  Linux, if SCO Foxpro (and i can't even fatham why anyone would want to use
  that flaming POS) supposedly runs on a linux kernel?  Also, xterm doesn't
  have a mouse protocl, X has a mouse protocol.


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Re: cdrtools 1.11alpha

2002-04-30 Thread Net Llama!

I'm not using it, but i think a possibly better question is what does the
latest xcdroast or cdrtool-1.11a have that you need?   Why waste time
upgrading if you don't need the features?

On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Tim Wunder wrote:

 Anybody using CDRtools 1.11alpha?
 Looks like the latest xcdroast requires alpha 19 or better. Trying to find out
 if anybody's using it before I get too deep into installing.
 Thanks,
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Re: low end laser printer?

2002-04-30 Thread Bill Day

I picked up a Lexmark E312 Optra for about $300.  The toner cartirdige I
have does approx 5000 pages for  a chunk of change($140)..  My folks have a
HP 6L with cartridges around $65 or so, they replace three before I replace
1.  They might be lucky if they get 1000-1200 off a cartridge.

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 On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Marianne Taylor wrote:
  I am in the market for a low end laser printer.  I am not keen on the
Lexmark
  E210 as the toner is almost as expensive as the printer.  I am looking
at the
  Brother 1440, which isn't cheap, but it seems to run fine on linux.  I
am
  running Linux from scratch so I don't want to use Samsung ml 1250, as it
  seems to only have rpms.

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Re: low end laser printer?

2002-04-30 Thread Stuart Biggerstaff

The high toner cost of the Lexmark would be almost matched by any Lexmark, 
Samsung, or HP because the imaging drum is built into the 
cartridge.  Others have a separate drum that must be replaced at intervals, 
and is even closer to the cost of a new printer than the Lexmark 
cartridge.  Their toner cartridges tend to be cheaper than the ones with 
the drum, but except for Okidata not as much less as one would hope.

At 09:29 PM 4/29/02 -0700, Marianne Taylor wrote:
I am in the market for a low end laser printer.  I am not keen on the Lexmark
E210 as the toner is almost as expensive as the printer.  I am looking at the
Brother 1440, which isn't cheap, but it seems to run fine on linux.  I am
running Linux from scratch so I don't want to use Samsung ml 1250, as it
seems to only have rpms.
Any other suggestions?
Any experience with the brother HL1440?
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test

2002-04-30 Thread kurt

Is this thing turned on?
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Re: Motherboard experiance

2002-04-30 Thread Jim Conner

Well, PCChips and Amptron are very close to the same thing.  I'd avoid both.  
Biostar boards are pretty good.  I don't know about ECS.  Stay away from 
boards with integrated sound, video and ethernet.  They might work, might not 
and disabling onboard components can be a bear.  My next board will either be 
an Abit or an Asus.  I currently run a Tyan S1571(socket 7).  It's a great 
board, but dated.  Don't buy a cheap quality mobo.  Not only does it hurt the 
performance of any component plugged into it, but if it fails isolating the 
problem can be time consuming.

Jim

On Monday, April 29, 2002 5:16, Harry G wrote:
 I would like to know if anyone has any fairly recent experience with
 the following motherboards with Linux:

 Biostar M7KQ

 PC Chips 817 LR

 ECS K7SEM

 Amptron SUS735

 Or any related units?  I am about to embark on a new adventure:
 Building a box from scratch, and really don't need any additional
 challenges, so to speak.

 Or if there are any other brands you would recommend or warn me about?

 TIA


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Re: test

2002-04-30 Thread Roger Oberholtzer

On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:38:47 -0400
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 Is this thing turned on?

Depends on what was in the Kool-Aid.

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Re: test

2002-04-30 Thread T. Watkins

Mail received.
Tom

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Re: low end laser printer?

2002-04-30 Thread Aaron Grewell

My LJ6P has been excellent.  I don't even know how much the toner costs.  In 
the four years I've had the printer I haven't had to replace anything.  My 
parents made the mistake of buying an inkjet, and they've paid for it several 
times in cartridges.  I'm not sure about the Brother, though.  I've never 
used one.

On Monday 29 April 2002 09:29 pm, Marianne Taylor wrote:
 I am in the market for a low end laser printer.  I am not keen on the
 Lexmark E210 as the toner is almost as expensive as the printer.  I am
 looking at the Brother 1440, which isn't cheap, but it seems to run fine on
 linux.  I am running Linux from scratch so I don't want to use Samsung ml
 1250, as it seems to only have rpms.
 Any other suggestions?
 Any experience with the brother HL1440?

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Re: OT free mags

2002-04-30 Thread Ronnie Gauthier

So you fill out a form. Do you always tell the truth? Are the form police 
looking over your shoulder?

On Tuesday 30 April 2002 09:21, m.w.chang wrote:
 some of them are not exactly free, at least, not for people who's not
 considered professionals and important by the publishers. :)

 Ronnie Gauthier wrote:
  I guess most of us know how to read and dont mind freebies.
  So.
  http://ideacafe.tradepub.com/cat/Comp.cat.html

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Re: test

2002-04-30 Thread Andrew Mathews

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Date:Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:38:47 -0400
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 Is this thing turned on?
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Question

2002-04-30 Thread Richard R. Sivernell

List

  I am connecting to a school server and need to upload project. I
login ok with ssh. How do I upload in secure mode ftp is rejected.

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libxslt install

2002-04-30 Thread edj


On install attempt  of libxslt 1.0.16, it failed because libxml had to be 
= 2.4.17.  I had libxml 2.4.1.  So, I installed libxml2-2.4.20.  Still, 
libxslt stopped with the same error - it still finds libxml 2.4.1.  I have 
the following on my system (WS 3.1):

libxml-devel 2.2.10-4
libxml-devel-static 2.2.10-4
libxmlkde-devel 2.4.1-2
libxml 2.4.10-4
libxmlkde 2.4.1-2
libxml2 2.4.20-1

Should some of these be deleted?  Any advice appreciated.  Thanks.

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Re: test

2002-04-30 Thread Kurt Wall

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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Is this thing turned on?
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 Usually. Either your clock's off or it took 12 hours for the message to
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You guessed right. I sent it last night from linux-sxs.org...

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Re: test

2002-04-30 Thread Douglas J Hunley

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 You guessed right. I sent it last night from linux-sxs.org...

seems that mimedefang went 'run-away' last night and the OOM killer waxed it. 
unfortunately, the parent process wasn't notified, so it just sat there

fixed.
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And now...., from our unlimited /hutzpah/ department

2002-04-30 Thread Michael Scottaline

Look at what Microsoft now has the effrontery to suggest:


http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25085.html

Mike

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linux for macusers

2002-04-30 Thread a.b. regis



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Asunto: OT free mags
Fecha: lun., 29 abri 2002 12:48


 I guess most of us know how to read and dont mind freebies.
 So.
 http://ideacafe.tradepub.com/cat/Comp.cat.html

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Re: Postscript question

2002-04-30 Thread a.b. regis



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I need a tutorial for linux// mac users mac os 8.6

thanks,

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Re: linux for macusers

2002-04-30 Thread Net Llama!

Linux is an operating system.  It doesn't run inside of Mac OS, it runs on
its own.  You might want to check out YellowDog Linux
http://yellowdoglinux.com
for a PPC based Linux distro.

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Re: Postscript question

2002-04-30 Thread Net Llama!

Actually, what i think you need is stop spamming the list.  Posting the
same request 7 times isn't going to get you help any faster.

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Re: linux for macusers

2002-04-30 Thread Ronnie Gauthier

http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=linux+on+mac

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Re: And now...., from our unlimited /hutzpah/ department

2002-04-30 Thread David A. Bandel

On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:38:38 -0400
begin  Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth:

 Look at what Microsoft now has the effrontery to suggest:
 
 
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25085.html
 


Well, _all_ my non-laptop PCs were built by me.  Never came with an OS
(most disk drives you just buy off the shelf don't).  I don't have
anything to prove and neither does whoever takes my Linux PC (unless they
install Windoze on it).  The M$ slugs (that includes their BSA lackeys),
avoid me, and will probably avoid my clients if they just call me like
I've told them to.

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Re: And now...., from our unlimited /hutzpah/ department

2002-04-30 Thread Kurt Wall

Scribbling feverishly on April 30, Michael Scottaline managed to emit:
 Look at what Microsoft now has the effrontery to suggest:
 
 
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25085.html

Fer cryin' out loud! I want a large quantity of whatever substance
Microsoft's lawyers are drinking/smoking/snorting/taking. No, wait,
never mind. I have enough trouble with arrogance and self-centeredness
as it is.

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Re: libxslt install

2002-04-30 Thread Kurt Wall

Scribbling feverishly on April 30, edj managed to emit:
 
 On install attempt  of libxslt 1.0.16, it failed because libxml had to be 
 = 2.4.17.  I had libxml 2.4.1.  So, I installed libxml2-2.4.20.  Still, 
 libxslt stopped with the same error - it still finds libxml 2.4.1.  I have 
 the following on my system (WS 3.1):

Well, libxml2 is not the same thing as libxml, which is the problem.
So, just taking a wild guess, I would install a version of *libxml* =
2.4.17, not *libxml2* = 2.4.17.

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Re: And now...., from our unlimited /hutzpah/ department

2002-04-30 Thread Michael Scottaline

On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:38:55 -0400
Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled intuitively:

Scribbling feverishly on April 30, Michael Scottaline managed to emit:
 Look at what Microsoft now has the effrontery to suggest:
 
 
 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25085.html

Fer cryin' out loud! I want a large quantity of whatever substance
Microsoft's lawyers are drinking/smoking/snorting/taking. No, wait,
never mind. I have enough trouble with arrogance and self-centeredness
as it is.
==
Sorry, Kurt;  I have tremendous respect for your knowledge and your
contributions to the community (I, for one, have benefitted much from your
sharing).  But compared to these vipers, when it comes to arrogance and
self-centeredness you're totally *amateur hour!!  ;o)

Mike


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Re: OT Re: test

2002-04-30 Thread Douglas J Hunley

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Net Llama! spewed electrons into the ether that resembled:
 How often does this occur?

which part? first time I've had it happen to me. the mimedefang list has had 
this come up from time to time. the OOM thing seems to a hot-button on lkml 
from every couple months
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Re: libxslt install

2002-04-30 Thread Tim Wunder

On Tuesday 30 April 2002 08:48 pm, Kurt Wall wrote:
 Scribbling feverishly on April 30, edj managed to emit:
  On install attempt  of libxslt 1.0.16, it failed because libxml had to be
 
  = 2.4.17.  I had libxml 2.4.1.  So, I installed libxml2-2.4.20.  Still,
 
  libxslt stopped with the same error - it still finds libxml 2.4.1.  I
  have the following on my system (WS 3.1):

 Well, libxml2 is not the same thing as libxml, which is the problem.
 So, just taking a wild guess, I would install a version of *libxml* =
 2.4.17, not *libxml2* = 2.4.17.


Yeah, I was gonna tell him that... But it doesn't look like libxml = 2.4.17 
exists, at least not according to  ftp://xmlsoft.org/
The highest libxml version it shows is 1.8.17.
libxml2 has version numbers starting at 2.x.x, and the most current version of 
libxml2 is 2.4.21

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Re: OT Re: test

2002-04-30 Thread Net Llama!

Douglas J Hunley wrote:
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 Net Llama! spewed electrons into the ether that resembled:
 
How often does this occur?
 
 
 which part? first time I've had it happen to me. the mimedefang list has had 
 this come up from time to time. the OOM thing seems to a hot-button on lkml 
 from every couple months

I thought that this happened a few days ago with my email too?


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Re: libxslt install

2002-04-30 Thread edj

On Tue 30 April 2002 08:48 pm, Kurt Wall wrote:
 Scribbling feverishly on April 30, edj managed to emit:
  On install attempt  of libxslt 1.0.16, it failed because libxml had to
  be
 
  = 2.4.17.  I had libxml 2.4.1.  So, I installed libxml2-2.4.20. 
   Still,
 
  libxslt stopped with the same error - it still finds libxml 2.4.1.  I
  have the following on my system (WS 3.1):

 Well, libxml2 is not the same thing as libxml, which is the problem.
 So, just taking a wild guess, I would install a version of *libxml* =
 2.4.17, not *libxml2* = 2.4.17.

Thanks, but don't think there is a libxml 2.4.17.  I looked at Freshmeat 
and elsewhere.  I did find libxml-2.4.17-20020308.src.rpm, but it 
generates libxml2-2.4.17.tar.gz, which I already installed.  Library 
dependencies are a real mess, or there's something basic which I just 
don't begin to understand.  I'm sure it's the latter, but in the meantime, 
I'm still stuck. 

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Re: libxslt install

2002-04-30 Thread Net Llama!

Just curious, what are you trying to install that requires libxslt?

edj wrote:
 On Tue 30 April 2002 08:48 pm, Kurt Wall wrote:
 
Scribbling feverishly on April 30, edj managed to emit:

On install attempt  of libxslt 1.0.16, it failed because libxml had to
be


= 2.4.17.  I had libxml 2.4.1.  So, I installed libxml2-2.4.20. 
Still,

libxslt stopped with the same error - it still finds libxml 2.4.1.  I
have the following on my system (WS 3.1):

Well, libxml2 is not the same thing as libxml, which is the problem.
So, just taking a wild guess, I would install a version of *libxml* =
2.4.17, not *libxml2* = 2.4.17.
 
 
 Thanks, but don't think there is a libxml 2.4.17.  I looked at Freshmeat 
 and elsewhere.  I did find libxml-2.4.17-20020308.src.rpm, but it 
 generates libxml2-2.4.17.tar.gz, which I already installed.  Library 
 dependencies are a real mess, or there's something basic which I just 
 don't begin to understand.  I'm sure it's the latter, but in the meantime, 
 I'm still stuck. 
 


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Re: libxslt install

2002-04-30 Thread edj

On Tue 30 April 2002 09:26 pm, Net Llama! wrote:
 Just curious, what are you trying to install that requires libxslt?

From the Linux SxS, KDE 2.x Doug's Way:
=
I'm also going to assume you already have the following libraries 
installed:
* libfreetype 2.x
* libjpeg
* libmng
* libpng
* libxslt
* libungif
* libxml2
* openssl
* libpcre
* libz
=

I'm also missing linungif - what a mess!!
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Re: FW: SCO Foxpro 2.6 for Unix

2002-04-30 Thread =?x-user-defined?q?toylet=2Elinux=5B=A4p=AA=B1=B7N=5D?=

It's definitely not a full-fledged one. but good enough for small to
medium projects. My compnay (over 200 employees) is still using a
10-year-old foxpro/dos app, execuse me. :)

 I could, but i think the more important question is why would i want to?
 Foxpro is a joke of a database.

 That would be gpm (general purpose mouse) in linux.  I've no clue if such
 a thing exists in SCO.

yes, coz it's NOT a linux guy. He is a foxpro expert. 
 
 I'll say it again, whoever this Dennis Allen guy is, it doesn't sound like
 he has the first clule of what he's doing.

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Re: libxslt install

2002-04-30 Thread Tim Wunder

You have eW3.1, why not install the KDE2.2.1 RPMs?
They're part of 3.1.1 and can be found here:
ftp://ftp.caldera.com/pub/OpenLinux3.1.1/Workstation/RPMS/
RPMs for any dependencies you'll have can be had from there, too.

HTH, 
Tim

On Tuesday 30 April 2002 09:50 pm, edj wrote:
 On Tue 30 April 2002 09:26 pm, Net Llama! wrote:
  Just curious, what are you trying to install that requires libxslt?

 From the Linux SxS, KDE 2.x Doug's Way:
 =
 I'm also going to assume you already have the following libraries
 installed:
 * libfreetype 2.x
 * libjpeg
 * libmng
 * libpng
 * libxslt
 * libungif
 * libxml2
 * openssl
 * libpcre
 * libz
 =

 I'm also missing linungif - what a mess!!

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Re: libxslt install

2002-04-30 Thread Kurt Wall

Scribbling feverishly on April 30, edj managed to emit:
 On Tue 30 April 2002 08:48 pm, Kurt Wall wrote:
 
  Well, libxml2 is not the same thing as libxml, which is the problem.
  So, just taking a wild guess, I would install a version of *libxml* =
  2.4.17, not *libxml2* = 2.4.17.
 
 Thanks, but don't think there is a libxml 2.4.17.  I looked at Freshmeat 
 and elsewhere.  I did find libxml-2.4.17-20020308.src.rpm, but it 
 generates libxml2-2.4.17.tar.gz, which I already installed.  Library 
 dependencies are a real mess, or there's something basic which I just 
 don't begin to understand.  I'm sure it's the latter, but in the meantime, 
 I'm still stuck. 

Right. I was shooting from the hip. I'm so out of touch with what's
happening in Caldera's world that I should probably be ignored when
commenting on it. ;-) 

I'd suggest deleting the v.1 libxml stuff, but I don't want to break
anything on your system.

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Re: libxslt install

2002-04-30 Thread Net Llama!

Kurt Wall wrote:
 Scribbling feverishly on April 30, edj managed to emit:
 
On Tue 30 April 2002 08:48 pm, Kurt Wall wrote:

Well, libxml2 is not the same thing as libxml, which is the problem.
So, just taking a wild guess, I would install a version of *libxml* =
2.4.17, not *libxml2* = 2.4.17.

Thanks, but don't think there is a libxml 2.4.17.  I looked at Freshmeat 
and elsewhere.  I did find libxml-2.4.17-20020308.src.rpm, but it 
generates libxml2-2.4.17.tar.gz, which I already installed.  Library 
dependencies are a real mess, or there's something basic which I just 
don't begin to understand.  I'm sure it's the latter, but in the meantime, 
I'm still stuck. 
 
 
 Right. I was shooting from the hip. I'm so out of touch with what's
 happening in Caldera's world that I should probably be ignored when
 commenting on it. ;-) 
 
 I'd suggest deleting the v.1 libxml stuff, but I don't want to break
 anything on your system.

If something really needs it, you'll see complaints and it won't let you 
remove it without using --nodeps.



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linux for macusers

2002-04-30 Thread a.b. regis

hei friend,

I would like to use rpm version of WEBMIN do you know it??

thanks for knews,

strob
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Re: linux for macusers

2002-04-30 Thread Net Llama!

http://rpmfind.net

Learn it, use it, make it your friend.

a.b. regis wrote:
 hei friend,
 
 I would like to use rpm version of WEBMIN do you know it??
 
 thanks for knews,
 
 strob
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Re: Question

2002-04-30 Thread Richard R. Sivernell

On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 13:24:45 -0400
Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Richard R. Sivernell wrote:
  List
  
I am connecting to a school server and need to upload project. I
  login ok with ssh. How do I upload in secure mode ftp is rejected.
  
  cheers
  
 
 man scp
 
 Logging in via ssh first is not necessary.
 
 To copy from local to remote, from the local machine:
 scp path/to/source/filename 
 user@remoteserver:path/to/destination/filename
 
 To copy from local to remote, from an ssh login on the remote machine:
 scp user@localserver:path/to/source/filename 
 path/to/destination/filename
 provided that you have sshd running on the source 
 computer/workstation/server
 
 HTH,
 Tim
 
 
 
 
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Re: And now...., from our unlimited /hutzpah/ department

2002-04-30 Thread Bill Campbell

On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 07:23:38PM -0500, David A. Bandel wrote:
...

Well, _all_ my non-laptop PCs were built by me.  Never came with an OS
(most disk drives you just buy off the shelf don't).  I don't have
anything to prove and neither does whoever takes my Linux PC (unless they
install Windoze on it).  The M$ slugs (that includes their BSA lackeys),
avoid me, and will probably avoid my clients if they just call me like
I've told them to.

Sounds like me and most of my customers.  I would love for the
BSA goons to come by my place.  Perhaps they will give me money
for the unused Microsoft packages that are sitting on the shelf.

How do they deal with my desktop machine that has Win4Lin on it,
but no native Windows partition (the copy of Windows under
win4lin was on the machine when I bought it)?

Bill
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Re: libxslt install

2002-04-30 Thread Marianne Taylor

On April 30, 2002 06:22 pm, you wrote:
 On Tue 30 April 2002 08:48 pm, Kurt Wall wrote:
  Scribbling feverishly on April 30, edj managed to emit:
   On install attempt  of libxslt 1.0.16, it failed because libxml had to
   be
  
   = 2.4.17.  I had libxml 2.4.1.  So, I installed libxml2-2.4.20.
Still,
  
   libxslt stopped with the same error - it still finds libxml 2.4.1.  I
   have the following on my system (WS 3.1):
 
  Well, libxml2 is not the same thing as libxml, which is the problem.
  So, just taking a wild guess, I would install a version of *libxml* =
  2.4.17, not *libxml2* = 2.4.17.

 Thanks, but don't think there is a libxml 2.4.17.  I looked at Freshmeat
 and elsewhere.  I did find libxml-2.4.17-20020308.src.rpm, but it
 generates libxml2-2.4.17.tar.gz, which I already installed.  Library
 dependencies are a real mess, or there's something basic which I just
 don't begin to understand.  I'm sure it's the latter, but in the meantime,
 I'm still stuck.

KDE, at least 2.2.x  doesn't require libxml but uses libxml2.  Perhaps you 
could send the exact error to the list, and see if we can sort out what it is 
looking for?

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Re: linux for macusers

2002-04-30 Thread Andrew Mathews

a.b. regis wrote:

 hei friend,
 
 I would like to use rpm version of WEBMIN do you know it??
 
 thanks for knews,
 
 strob

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