March Meeting Tonight
JaxLUG March 2011 Meeting When: Tuesday, Mar 15th 6:30pm Where : Peak 10 Topic : Intro to Linux Kernel Firewall Presented By: William L. Thomson Jr. http://wiki.jaxlug.org http://wiki.jaxlug.org/index.php/Peak_10 - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: Topic and presenter for March
Perhaps someone could set this recording and streaming up to capture one meeting and do a presentation for that meeting on all of the details on how he/she did it? Andrew On Mon, 14 Mar 2011, Laura Hartwell wrote: I would love to attend a meeting but they always conflict with my work schedule. I work 6pm - 12mid every weeknight and Saturday days, but I am able to attend a webcast during working hours. Has it ever been discussed having someone set up a webcam and mic and webcasting the meeting so those of us who are unable to attend can eavesdrop from afar? Laura -- Laura Hartwell Hartwell Enterprises - Professional IT Services http://www.laurahartwell.com Element9 Communications http://www.element9.net Fast, reliable, and economical hosting solutions for personal and business websites On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 17:24 -0500, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: Thus far we still haven't a topic or presenter for March, this month. I had hoped to get someone to do a presentation on firewalling using iptables. Since thats some what of a pre-requisite to the April presentation on Base/Snort. In the event no one steps up to do a presentation on firewalling/iptables. Another topic came to mind that I think anyone can present on, and might be time for another entry level presentation. My thoughts there are a presentation for people that are new to linux. I am new to Linux, what the heck do I do next? Something that would cover, what is a distro, what is GNU and Linux, what is a desktop env( gnome,kde, xfce, enlightenment, etc) and other basic concepts we all consider basic knowledge. But really does not pertain to other OS. You will never deal with a distribution of Windows or OS X, or most any OS. Though you can have a mix of GNU and other software on the other OS. We did a group presentation a while back on various distros. We might look to revisit such in the future. But this presentation would be distro agnostic. Just covering the basics of Linux, that someone knew to Linux will not really know about or understand coming from other OS. But we can go with another topic, really up to what ever someone wants to present on. Since topics can be easy to decide on, but finding presenters, not so easy :) - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: Topic and presenter for March
On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 23:13 -0400, me...@aol.com wrote: That is not bad idea. I too also miss to many meetings and it would nice to have it live or better yet recorded and posted to the wiki. Anyone is welcome to do such, my focus tends to be on making sure we have a meeting, topic, and presenter. However instead of posting any recordings to the wiki, I would prefer to post/host that on YouTube. Which we can then link to/embed on the wiki. Rather use Google's bandwidth :) -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: Topic and presenter for March
On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 23:22 -0400, Michael Potts wrote: It was attempted at a previous meeting, however permission needs to be obtained from the presenter (and the corporate sponsor if any). Due to the late notice at the meeting where this was last attempted, this was unable to be obtained. Which meeting was this? Last attempt I recall at recording was long ago when we were still downtown meeting at the Att tower. I believe a podcast (can't even believe is a word) attempt or two was made. -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: Topic and presenter for March
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 09:45 -0400, Andrew Henderson wrote: Perhaps someone could set this recording and streaming up to capture one meeting and do a presentation for that meeting on all of the details on how he/she did it? Now that I really like! Do it and then present on how you did it! Though doesn't have to be same meeting. We do have 9 more months/meetings to go for this year. Volunteers for presenters and suggestions for topics are wanted! Unless you want me to present at every meeting in addition to spamming your inbox ;) -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
I ended up on the page due to random clicking for no real purpose. Though some what found the humor I wasn't looking for intentionally. I must say I found the following to be quite laughable and entertaining ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter#Tweet_contents Let's also not forget that Twitter and Facebook just helped overthrow a couple of governments, so not all babble is pointless ;) Not really sure what the difference between a conversation and pointless babble is for some, but leave it to Twitter researchers to classify each :) Even funnier they go on to expand on pointless babble; pointless babble is better characterized as social grooming and/or peripheral awareness Not sure what the deal is, it makes sense to me. To me there are some good take aways from those conversational type tweets. I mean, it's possible to learn from a conversation even as a 3rd party, so not all conversations are useless. The obvious contrast is someone who is using Twitter as a slow IM like, Hey are you coming over to my house later?, ... Yes. To me that is pointless. Also, let us not forget about the lulz. On the surface lulz seem pointless but they so brighten the day. The bigger point is that a large majority of people just have nothing interesting to say, so they just say anything in order not to be silent. I just wish people would understand that it's ok not to say anything for a few days on Twitter. The planet will still keep spinning and everyone will still be able to move on. I seriously can't believe people spend time researching, then debating about such things. Then again here I am commenting, when in Rome or Idiocracy, either way. There is far worse research out there. I can see where some company looking at a social network presence may be interested in this type of data. I personally wouldn't do it, but oh well. -- *Nathan Hamiel* http://hexsec.com http://hexsec.comhttp://twitter.com/nathanhamiel blog: www.neohaxor.org
Printer Driver Issue
Group, I have Googled high and low to find an answer to this question with no luck. I am trying to install the drivers for a Dell V313 3-in-1 on a machine running Ubuntu 10.10 x64. The problem is that the installer crashes because of the x64 architecture. Apparently, the installer checks the architecture and then chokes even though I have all the 32-bit libraries installed. The problem is that I can't find a .deb package to install with sudo dpkg --force-architecture; the installer is an binary .sh that I can't do anything with. Any suggestions? Anyone know of a way to trick the installer into thinking it's on a 32-bit system? Maybe a way to extract the .deb package? Thanks. -- Michael A. Knox, BSME, ACTAR President Chief Forensic Consultant Knox Associates, LLC Forensic Consulting P. O. Box 8081 Jacksonville, FL 32239 (904) 619-3063 (Office) (904) 422-6245 (Cell) (904) 619-3073 (Fax) michael.k...@knoxandassociates.com http://www.knoxandassociates.com An Accredited Traffic Accident Reconstructionist ACTAR #1120 Crime Scene Reconstruction · Traffic Accident Reconstruction · Bloodstain Pattern Analysis · Shooting Incident Reconstruction This e-mail is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521 and is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient. This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it contain confidential information intended only for the person(s) to whom this e-mail message is addressed. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message without making a copy. Thank you. - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: Printer Driver Issue
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 11:30 -0400, Michael A. Knox wrote: Maybe a way to extract the .deb package? dpkg --unpack foo_VVV-RRR.deb dpkg-deb --extract foo_VVV-RRR.deb http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkgtools.en.html -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: Printer Driver Issue
Mike, I downloaded and ran the installer - it appears to extract the deb to /tmp: /tmp/selfgz10063/pkg/files/dell-inkjet-09-driver-1.0-1.i386.deb John Patterson http://www.henrygis.com On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Michael A. Knox michael.k...@knoxandassociates.com wrote: Group, I have Googled high and low to find an answer to this question with no luck. I am trying to install the drivers for a Dell V313 3-in-1 on a machine running Ubuntu 10.10 x64. The problem is that the installer crashes because of the x64 architecture. Apparently, the installer checks the architecture and then chokes even though I have all the 32-bit libraries installed. The problem is that I can't find a .deb package to install with sudo dpkg --force-architecture; the installer is an binary .sh that I can't do anything with. Any suggestions? Anyone know of a way to trick the installer into thinking it's on a 32-bit system? Maybe a way to extract the .deb package? Thanks. -- Michael A. Knox, BSME, ACTAR President Chief Forensic Consultant Knox Associates, LLC Forensic Consulting P. O. Box 8081 Jacksonville, FL 32239 (904) 619-3063 (Office) (904) 422-6245 (Cell) (904) 619-3073 (Fax) michael.k...@knoxandassociates.com http://www.knoxandassociates.com An Accredited Traffic Accident Reconstructionist ACTAR #1120 Crime Scene Reconstruction · Traffic Accident Reconstruction · Bloodstain Pattern Analysis · Shooting Incident Reconstruction This e-mail is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521 and is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient. This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it contain confidential information intended only for the person(s) to whom this e-mail message is addressed. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message without making a copy. Thank you. - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 10:26 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: Let's also not forget that Twitter and Facebook just helped overthrow a couple of governments, so not all babble is pointless ;) Pretty sure the concept of coup d'état was well established long before Twitter or Facebook. People just use the tools at their disposal given the times. Back in the day papyrus might have done what Twitter and Facebook are doing in a much more modern and high tech way. At some point in time papyrus was high tech, as many other things. Oh wow, you do live in a bubble. I am not sure why you threw the papyrus reference in there, you have to know that is complete BS. First of all in the days of papyrus most people couldn't read much less have a basic education. Not only that but there wasn't an instant one to many and then shortly after a many to many relationship with written data. That is massively huge and enormously large :) Social networks (love them or hate them) have connected the world it a way not thought possible before. You may be feeling a certain way about the government or your living conditions and have no idea that thousands of people around you also feel the same way. Then you find out that all over your country feel the same way. You may have kept it to yourself. You may not have been aware that the government dragged someone a few blocks away out of their house kicking and screaming never to be seen again. That's the power of socially connecting to people on the Internet. Hell, most news stories are broken on Twitter before you see them on the evening news. These facts are pretty undeniable. I would like to see a papyrus do that ;) Or another contrast, someone using Twitter at all. I am pretty proud that I have never. :) Why does that make you proud? I am always surprised when people say things like this. There is no way to really know the value of a social network until you use it. The value of your social network experience is based on who you are connected to as well as your contributions back to it. I realize this is hard for you to understand because you haven't participated but I think you would be surprised. Often I see things on twitter days and sometimes weeks before it ends up on something like Slashdot. What about things that would be useful to you that might not make it to something like Slashdot? In some ways by not being a Twitter user you are losing out. In some ways participating in Twitter allows you to directly connect with developers of a project or other experts in your field. Take the security community for instance, you may find out about new tools an techniques long before other people find out about them. You may even find information that his helpful that never gets published to a news aggregator. I turn a lot of security people on to Twitter for these very same reasons. I fail to see how any of this is a drawback. Often people are going through massive amounts of information and giving you the useful highlights. That is a HUGE advantage to someone like me who stays pretty busy. So you are still saying this collaborative community is something that you are proud to not participate in? The bigger point is that a large majority of people just have nothing interesting to say, so they just say anything in order not to be silent. I just wish people would understand that it's ok not to say anything for a few days on Twitter. The planet will still keep spinning and everyone will still be able to move on. The same could be said for blogging, and most of the social media/networking world. Surely some good, amongst all the useless babble and opinions. Once again though, it depends on the people you socially connect with. The people with the useless babble probably wouldn't be the people you would follow every day. For a blog, you just wouldn't read it if it provided no value to you. There is far worse research out there. I can see where some company looking at a social network presence may be interested in this type of data. I personally wouldn't do it, but oh well. Its just ironic considering the companies they are researching or built around have yet to grab a profitable footing and still feeling their way, making their mark on the world. Just wondering if any money is being made from all the wheel spinning. Sure seems like a whole lot of time is being wasted. Not just some money an ass-load of money. This is a huge area of next generation marketing. This is the future so it seems reasonable that people would foot some research in to it. Now, even though I have a Facebook account, I don't like Facebook at all. The only thing I do on Facebook is talk politics and call my friends horrible names, but there are people out there who consider Facebook the Internet. Almost the same way that people used to think of AOL as the Internet back in the day. They get everything they want to do online from Facebook and don't really need to go
Re: Printer Driver Issue
I downloaded and ran the installer - it appears to extract the deb to /tmp: /tmp/selfgz10063/pkg/files/dell-inkjet-09-driver-1.0-1.i386.deb It's extracting to /home/rknox6245/lua_DwLX3M but it cleans itself up when the installer shuts down: rm -rf /home/rknox6245/lua_DwLX3M Is there a way to catch that path before it gets removed? Tried setting alias rm='rm -iv' in .bashrc but no dice. -- Michael A. Knox, BSME, ACTAR President Chief Forensic Consultant Knox Associates, LLC Forensic Consulting P. O. Box 8081 Jacksonville, FL 32239 (904) 619-3063 (Office) (904) 422-6245 (Cell) (904) 619-3073 (Fax) michael.k...@knoxandassociates.com http://www.knoxandassociates.com An Accredited Traffic Accident Reconstructionist ACTAR #1120 Crime Scene Reconstruction · Traffic Accident Reconstruction · Bloodstain Pattern Analysis · Shooting Incident Reconstruction This e-mail is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521 and is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient. This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it contain confidential information intended only for the person(s) to whom this e-mail message is addressed. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message without making a copy. Thank you. - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: Firewalls and choices
On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 09:38 -0400, Neo Taoist Techno Pagan wrote: It's time to rebuild the firewall since I am still running IPCop stable - and no updates since 2008. I have looked at many of the firewall distros and have not really found one that I just want to use immediately. I used to mess with them long ago. I still have a zip disk with a bootable copy of the old LRP[1] on it with a 2.2 kernel. Back when I lived in California used that as a load balancing router with 2 SDSL lines, and a third ADSL for surfing. Can't bring myself to toss out the old box, p100, ran off ramdisk after booting from zip disk. Originally used a floppy, but was to difficult to cram everything into 1.44MB. I gave up on that stuff long ago and just elected to run a full distro. Its been easier to maintain and keep current, but not as cool. Though can't really run a full distro on everything. I still find myself at times using stuff like DD-WRT, Cyanogenmod, etc. Though keeping it all up to date, secure, etc, can be a pita. This is for a home office, nothing too fancy. One thing I think I will need since my kids' net usage is becoming more bandwidth-heavy is something that will let me limit their bandwidth and have proxy caching to same overall bandwidth - plus that should help when I have Windows PCs I need to fix since the updates from Microsoft would be cached too. Something that ships with squid, has it packaged, or similar offerings. The bandwidth stuff you can do with iptables, and they should make the necessary kernel modules available. Worse case recompile kernel with that stuff, etc. I have looked at Untangle, Endian, Astaro, Smoothwall, and a few others. What would some of you recommend? Might want to look at OpenWRT. I have seen a number of documents on running OpenWRT as a Xen domU guest[2]. Back in the day the big ones were Leaf and Coyote Linux, but there are so many now[3]. Coyote seems defunct, and leaf inactive. Seems them being active or not is a primary concern. Maybe second would be if they support like x86 vs just embedded processors, so you can install/run on a full system or vm. Then of course your bandwidth limiting and proxy caching requirements. 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Router_Project 2. http://www.google.com/search?q=openwrt+xen 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_router_or_firewall_distributions -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
It's the ultimate of elitism to say that the reason someone finds no value in something is that they are not doing it right. I at one point had 4 Facebook accounts and 4 Twitter accounts. I canceled most of them due to a lack of value regarding my time. The network as William says is a medium. It's people and connections that matter. And I found it's much more valuable to meet them in person. -- Kyle Gonzales Sent from my mobile On Mar 15, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Nathan Hamiel nham...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 10:26 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: Let's also not forget that Twitter and Facebook just helped overthrow a couple of governments, so not all babble is pointless ;) Pretty sure the concept of coup d'état was well established long before Twitter or Facebook. People just use the tools at their disposal given the times. Back in the day papyrus might have done what Twitter and Facebook are doing in a much more modern and high tech way. At some point in time papyrus was high tech, as many other things. Oh wow, you do live in a bubble. I am not sure why you threw the papyrus reference in there, you have to know that is complete BS. First of all in the days of papyrus most people couldn't read much less have a basic education. Not only that but there wasn't an instant one to many and then shortly after a many to many relationship with written data. That is massively huge and enormously large :) Social networks (love them or hate them) have connected the world it a way not thought possible before. You may be feeling a certain way about the government or your living conditions and have no idea that thousands of people around you also feel the same way. Then you find out that all over your country feel the same way. You may have kept it to yourself. You may not have been aware that the government dragged someone a few blocks away out of their house kicking and screaming never to be seen again. That's the power of socially connecting to people on the Internet. Hell, most news stories are broken on Twitter before you see them on the evening news. These facts are pretty undeniable. I would like to see a papyrus do that ;) Or another contrast, someone using Twitter at all. I am pretty proud that I have never. :) Why does that make you proud? I am always surprised when people say things like this. There is no way to really know the value of a social network until you use it. The value of your social network experience is based on who you are connected to as well as your contributions back to it. I realize this is hard for you to understand because you haven't participated but I think you would be surprised. Often I see things on twitter days and sometimes weeks before it ends up on something like Slashdot. What about things that would be useful to you that might not make it to something like Slashdot? In some ways by not being a Twitter user you are losing out. In some ways participating in Twitter allows you to directly connect with developers of a project or other experts in your field. Take the security community for instance, you may find out about new tools an techniques long before other people find out about them. You may even find information that his helpful that never gets published to a news aggregator. I turn a lot of security people on to Twitter for these very same reasons. I fail to see how any of this is a drawback. Often people are going through massive amounts of information and giving you the useful highlights. That is a HUGE advantage to someone like me who stays pretty busy. So you are still saying this collaborative community is something that you are proud to not participate in? The bigger point is that a large majority of people just have nothing interesting to say, so they just say anything in order not to be silent. I just wish people would understand that it's ok not to say anything for a few days on Twitter. The planet will still keep spinning and everyone will still be able to move on. The same could be said for blogging, and most of the social media/networking world. Surely some good, amongst all the useless babble and opinions. Once again though, it depends on the people you socially connect with. The people with the useless babble probably wouldn't be the people you would follow every day. For a blog, you just wouldn't read it if it provided no value to you. There is far worse research out there. I can see where some company looking at a social network presence may be interested in this type of data. I personally wouldn't do it, but oh well. Its just ironic considering the companies they are researching or built around have yet to grab a profitable footing and still feeling their way, making their mark on the world. Just wondering if any money is being made from all the wheel spinning. Sure seems like a whole lot of time is being wasted. Not just some
Re: Printer Driver Issue
Mike, I was able to grab the .deb out of /tmp with the installer waiting on the Exit screen. the lua_ folder is removed by that point but /tmp is still intact. John On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Michael A. Knox michael.k...@knoxandassociates.com wrote: I downloaded and ran the installer - it appears to extract the deb to /tmp: /tmp/selfgz10063/pkg/files/dell-inkjet-09-driver-1.0-1.i386.deb It's extracting to /home/rknox6245/lua_DwLX3M but it cleans itself up when the installer shuts down: rm -rf /home/rknox6245/lua_DwLX3M Is there a way to catch that path before it gets removed? Tried setting alias rm='rm -iv' in .bashrc but no dice. -- Michael A. Knox, BSME, ACTAR President Chief Forensic Consultant Knox Associates, LLC Forensic Consulting P. O. Box 8081 Jacksonville, FL 32239 (904) 619-3063 (Office) (904) 422-6245 (Cell) (904) 619-3073 (Fax) michael.k...@knoxandassociates.com http://www.knoxandassociates.com An Accredited Traffic Accident Reconstructionist ACTAR #1120 Crime Scene Reconstruction · Traffic Accident Reconstruction · Bloodstain Pattern Analysis · Shooting Incident Reconstruction This e-mail is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521 and is intended solely for the use of the intended recipient. This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it contain confidential information intended only for the person(s) to whom this e-mail message is addressed. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message without making a copy. Thank you. - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 12:19 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: Oh wow, you do live in a bubble. Not sure I would go that far, but we all live in some form of bubble one way or another. I am not sure why you threw the papyrus reference in there, you have to know that is complete BS. First of all in the days of papyrus most people couldn't read much less have a basic education. Not only that but there wasn't an instant one to many and then shortly after a many to many relationship with written data. That is massively huge and enormously large :) Not everyone owns a computer, and some people are still illiterate. More so when you start talking about third world countries. Think about the majority of the populations of the countries who's governments were overthrown :) Social networks (love them or hate them) have connected the world it a way not thought possible before. You may be feeling a certain way about the government or your living conditions and have no idea that thousands of people around you also feel the same way. Then you find out that all over your country feel the same way. You may have kept it to yourself. You may not have been aware that the government dragged someone a few blocks away out of their house kicking and screaming never to be seen again. That's the power of socially connecting to people on the Internet. Hell, most news stories are broken on Twitter before you see them on the evening news. These facts are pretty undeniable. I would like to see a papyrus do that ;) The reference two how news comes about these days is part of what I dislike about the social networks. To be a news person used to involved a process, that now anyone with a means to communicate simulate. Without having to do the work, vet leads, etc. It has also lead to various retractions in legit media. Why does that make you proud? I am always surprised when people say things like this. There is no way to really know the value of a social network until you use it. There is no way to know the long term impacts of socialization being public. That which can help you today, could potentially hurt you tomorrow. The value of your social network experience is based on who you are connected to as well as your contributions back to it. I realize this is hard for you to understand because you haven't participated but I think you would be surprised. Yes, and I know people who have lost their jobs and had other major problems in life they never considered at first. I value what little privacy I have left in this world. Every day there is less and less of that. Often I see things on twitter days and sometimes weeks before it ends up on something like Slashdot. What about things that would be useful to you that might not make it to something like Slashdot? Even prior to the rise of social networks, I did not live on Slashdot. I rarely pay any attention to it, and it has no effect on my world or bubble :) In some ways by not being a Twitter user you are losing out. In some ways participating in Twitter allows you to directly connect with developers of a project or other experts in your field. I have been in the trenches for years, we have a great invention called IRC. I communicate and work with people all over the world. Its how Gentoo operates, and most distros with distributed developer bases. Linus did not need Twitter, or any social network to make Linux into what it is today. Most all that preceded what exists today. Take the security community for instance, you may find out about new tools an techniques long before other people find out about them. You may even find information that his helpful that never gets published to a news aggregator. I turn a lot of security people on to Twitter for these very same reasons. Security stuff has no business being out in the open. Some aspects as mentioned are good, others are not. Most times when a vulnerability is found, till its resolved, that information usually kept private. There are many things that go on in the security world, that is kept private for legitimate reasons. I fail to see how any of this is a drawback. Maybe the drawbacks have not come yet. Its still in infancy. Its not like this stuff has been around for even a decade yet. People really need to keep that in mind. Often people are going through massive amounts of information and giving you the useful highlights. That is a HUGE advantage to someone like me who stays pretty busy. So you are still saying this collaborative community is something that you are proud to not participate in? Well per the charts others have produced, you have to wade through 80% plus unwanted stuff, to get at any tid bits. But same can be said for many things rss feeds, blogs, etc. I used to waste hours with a rss aggregator. That was years before Twitter ever existed. Sure I stayed really informed, but productive I was not ;) Once again though, it depends on the people you
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
It's the ultimate of elitism to say that the reason someone finds no value in something is that they are not doing it right. I at one point had 4 Facebook accounts and 4 Twitter accounts. I canceled most of them due to a lack of value regarding my time. That is not what I said at all. Please, if you are going to quote or paraphrase something I said ensure the message is correct. There is a difference between doing something wrong as you put it and not doing something at all. That was my point. There is nothing elitist about that, it's about understanding. Someone who sits on the outside of something and analyzes it will never have the perspective of someone who has been on the inside. All I did was add evidence to the contrary. I think I made valid points, but whatever. I don't even want to ask why having 4 Facebook accounts and 4 Twitter accounts was even necessary because I don't want to prolong this discussion on a list that probably doesn't care. So i'll leave it at that. The network as William says is a medium. It's people and connections that matter. And I found it's much more valuable to meet them in person. But in our modern world that isn't possible or even necessary in some situations. You can have interactions with people where it may not be possible meet in person. So you are saying there is no value in creating a social connection with someone that you can't meet in person? This is ridiculous, especially in a world driven by technology. My value of a relationship has no bearing on whether I can meet them in person or not. You can also extend the relationship of someone you have met in person through a social network. I go to security conferences every year. I meet people, we talk, etc. Then throughout the rest of the year there is an information exchange through a social network. That is valuable as an augmented communication to where you have met someone in person. -- *Nathan Hamiel* http://hexsec.com http://hexsec.comhttp://twitter.com/nathanhamiel blog: www.neohaxor.org
Re: Topic and presenter for March
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: Though doesn't have to be same meeting. We do have 9 more months/meetings to go for this year. Volunteers for presenters and suggestions for topics are wanted! Unless you want me to present at every meeting in addition to spamming your inbox ;) Well, for what it is worth, I hope to do another presentation sometime within the next few months when I have adequate time to prepare for it. I try to make these things entertaining (video clips, demonstrations, etc.), which usually takes a bit of time to put together. Andrew - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 12:56 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: It's the ultimate of elitism to say that the reason someone finds no value in something is that they are not doing it right. I at one point had 4 Facebook accounts and 4 Twitter accounts. I canceled most of them due to a lack of value regarding my time. There is something to be said for doing things the right way to find value. At the same time, right or wrong, some things people will never see value in, and nothing will change that. Some people do not use a toilet when they go to the bathroom. You can tell them all day long the value in a toilet. Even if used right. They still might prefer going as mother nature intended. Its more green anyway :) That is not what I said at all. Please, if you are going to quote or paraphrase something I said ensure the message is correct. There is a difference between doing something wrong as you put it and not doing something at all. That was my point. There is nothing elitist about that, it's about understanding. Someone who sits on the outside of something and analyzes it will never have the perspective of someone who has been on the inside. All I did was add evidence to the contrary. I think I made valid points, but whatever. I really do not think I need to engage in using Twitter to get an idea of the value. Again I have used similar mediums for many more years than Twitter has even existed. Tell me what Twitter can do for me IRC cannot? I don't even want to ask why having 4 Facebook accounts and 4 Twitter accounts was even necessary because I don't want to prolong this discussion on a list that probably doesn't care. So i'll leave it at that. Nothing wrong with prolonging this discussion. That was some what the intention with my initial post. The network as William says is a medium. It's people and connections that matter. And I found it's much more valuable to meet them in person. The in person aspect has been so lost in technological communication. It might come back with all the devices having cameras now. Though even then, seeing someone and being in their presence is still not the same. But in our modern world that isn't possible or even necessary in some situations. Yes, its really hard to be caring for someone via a web cam. There is only so much technology can do to help us, before it gets in our way and becomes harmful just the same. You can have interactions with people where it may not be possible meet in person. So you are saying there is no value in creating a social connection with someone that you can't meet in person? You can create that connection via many means, doesn't have to be socially, or using social networks. We have been communicating and getting things done in distributed working environments for quite some time now. This is ridiculous, especially in a world driven by technology. My value of a relationship has no bearing on whether I can meet them in person or not. You can also extend the relationship of someone you have met in person through a social network. Yes and people can now go and research social aspects of your life and things that they would only know otherwise. Unless you told them, and/or they were there with you during those events. Now expand that to include everyone you have not met or socially interacted with. They have access to the same public social information. I go to security conferences every year. I meet people, we talk, etc. Then throughout the rest of the year there is an information exchange through a social network. That is valuable as an augmented communication to where you have met someone in person. Interesting, I wonder what the long term repercussion of that might be. Do you think those you are trying to secure things against ignore your presence and activity? For everything we value as good, someone else might value them as bad, or even worse use it for no good :) -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: Topic and presenter for March
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 13:03 -0400, Andrew Henderson wrote: Well, for what it is worth, I hope to do another presentation sometime within the next few months when I have adequate time to prepare for it. I try to make these things entertaining (video clips, demonstrations, etc.), which usually takes a bit of time to put together. No problem or worries. Very much appreciate the presentations you have done. Which were very entertaining, despite the presenter wearing a suit... :) Yes presentations can take a while to put together. Mine are not as entertaining, short of colorful comments, which last time were not so politically correct. Along with me running around like a chicken with two heads ;) -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
-Original Message- From: William L. Thomson Jr. [mailto:w...@obsidian-studios.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:54 PM Not everyone owns a computer, and some people are still illiterate. More so when you start talking about third world countries. Think about the majority of the populations of the countries who's governments were overthrown :) Social networking isn't predominantly done on a computer - usually it's done on a mobile device (yes, a computer, but you get the point). I would also hardly classify Egypt as an uneducated third-world country, where the percentage of graduates for 15-29 year olds is comparable to that of the United States. - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 13:20 -0400, Mike Rathburn wrote: Social networking isn't predominantly done on a computer - usually it's done on a mobile device (yes, a computer, but you get the point). Yes, and when it comes to vetting leads for like news purposes, that becomes tremendously harder, as seen countless times. I would also hardly classify Egypt as an uneducated third-world country, where the percentage of graduates for 15-29 year olds is comparable to that of the United States. Might want to check your facts. Literacy rate in Egypt is between 58%[1]-67%[2] of adult population. Now lets talking owning a computer or cell phone. You think electricity is every where there[3]? I surely would not compared Egypt to the US by any means. 1. http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5309.htm 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate 3. http://www.moee.gov.eg/English/elshabaka/stat1b.htm -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
Not everyone owns a computer, and some people are still illiterate. More so when you start talking about third world countries. Think about the majority of the populations of the countries who's governments were overthrown :) Yea, that started because of social networks. People who did have computers got their neighbors who didn't involved. Social networks (love them or hate them) have connected the world it a way not thought possible before. You may be feeling a certain way about the government or your living conditions and have no idea that thousands of people around you also feel the same way. Then you find out that all over your country feel the same way. You may have kept it to yourself. You may not have been aware that the government dragged someone a few blocks away out of their house kicking and screaming never to be seen again. That's the power of socially connecting to people on the Internet. Hell, most news stories are broken on Twitter before you see them on the evening news. These facts are pretty undeniable. I would like to see a papyrus do that ;) The reference two how news comes about these days is part of what I dislike about the social networks. To be a news person used to involved a process, that now anyone with a means to communicate simulate. Without having to do the work, vet leads, etc. It has also lead to various retractions in legit media. News as I was referring to is not reported news or journalistic new, although sometimes that is what it is. It could be that a Tsunami just it or that someone is giving a talk at a certain time. It's all technically news although not all newsworthy, if that makes sense. Just because it isn't newsworthy doesn't mean it isn't news. Why does that make you proud? I am always surprised when people say things like this. There is no way to really know the value of a social network until you use it. There is no way to know the long term impacts of socialization being public. That which can help you today, could potentially hurt you tomorrow. Not all social networking is public. I would almost venture to say that not connecting socially could hurt you tomorrow. So far from all I have seen the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks in many cases. Say for instance in the unlikely event someone loses a job, their connections could open doors for them. Many jobs never get posted out because of referrals. That's just one case in particular. Your social presence could actually benefit people as well as you gaining benefit from them. I know, I know, that's in a perfect world. There are always asshats out there, but still there are many benefits. The value of your social network experience is based on who you are connected to as well as your contributions back to it. I realize this is hard for you to understand because you haven't participated but I think you would be surprised. Yes, and I know people who have lost their jobs and had other major problems in life they never considered at first. I value what little privacy I have left in this world. Every day there is less and less of that. Once again, it's you sharing the data. If you have a bunch of pictures of yourself smoking a bowl on your social network, then yea there may be some repercussions. Often I see things on twitter days and sometimes weeks before it ends up on something like Slashdot. What about things that would be useful to you that might not make it to something like Slashdot? Even prior to the rise of social networks, I did not live on Slashdot. I rarely pay any attention to it, and it has no effect on my world or bubble :) You know, I just thought of something I think it has to do with the speed and delivery of information. In the security world minutes count. Knowing something first can mean you are better protected or better at exploitation. The jobs security people have today probably won't be the jobs we have in 4 or 5 years. Maybe it's that speed and need for adaptation that makes this style of communication so attractive. Not many jobs have that requirement or have things change almost daily. In some ways by not being a Twitter user you are losing out. In some ways participating in Twitter allows you to directly connect with developers of a project or other experts in your field. I have been in the trenches for years, we have a great invention called IRC. I communicate and work with people all over the world. Its how Gentoo operates, and most distros with distributed developer bases. I am going to throw my second Wow of the day in here. You just compared Twitter to IRC. They have two totally different purposes. Otherwise people wouldn't use IRC and also have Twitter accounts. IRC is basically just group chatting. First of all, only a small amount of people even use IRC. Secondly, people are more mobile than they have ever been so they are constantly on their mobile devices. Only a handful of
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
I will say the value of these supposed social connections to someone you can never meet is very low and nearly worthless. You don't really know anyone until you meet them in person. Whether you believe that or not is up to you. In my 17 years of experience with online communities, BBSes, mailing lists, etc. this has been a firm constant. -- Kyle Gonzales Sent from my mobile On Mar 15, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Nathan Hamiel nham...@gmail.com wrote: It's the ultimate of elitism to say that the reason someone finds no value in something is that they are not doing it right. I at one point had 4 Facebook accounts and 4 Twitter accounts. I canceled most of them due to a lack of value regarding my time. That is not what I said at all. Please, if you are going to quote or paraphrase something I said ensure the message is correct. There is a difference between doing something wrong as you put it and not doing something at all. That was my point. There is nothing elitist about that, it's about understanding. Someone who sits on the outside of something and analyzes it will never have the perspective of someone who has been on the inside. All I did was add evidence to the contrary. I think I made valid points, but whatever. I don't even want to ask why having 4 Facebook accounts and 4 Twitter accounts was even necessary because I don't want to prolong this discussion on a list that probably doesn't care. So i'll leave it at that. The network as William says is a medium. It's people and connections that matter. And I found it's much more valuable to meet them in person. But in our modern world that isn't possible or even necessary in some situations. You can have interactions with people where it may not be possible meet in person. So you are saying there is no value in creating a social connection with someone that you can't meet in person? This is ridiculous, especially in a world driven by technology. My value of a relationship has no bearing on whether I can meet them in person or not. You can also extend the relationship of someone you have met in person through a social network. I go to security conferences every year. I meet people, we talk, etc. Then throughout the rest of the year there is an information exchange through a social network. That is valuable as an augmented communication to where you have met someone in person. -- Nathan Hamiel http://hexsec.com http://twitter.com/nathanhamiel blog: www.neohaxor.org
Re: Printer Driver Issue
Exit screen. the lua_ folder is removed by that point but /tmp is still intact. Ahh, I wasn't looking at the /tmp folder while the installer was waiting on the Exit screen, so I didn't see it sitting there. Thanks. That let me get the .deb file, and now the printer works. I still have to get the scanner going, though. Why not just make an x64 driver for Linux? Oh, well. At least there's a Linux driver. - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: Firewalls and choices
On Monday 14 March 2011 09:38:50 Neo Taoist Techno Pagan wrote: It's time to rebuild the firewall since I am still running IPCop stable - and no updates since 2008. I have looked at many of the firewall distros and have not really found one that I just want to use immediately. This is for a home office, nothing too fancy. One thing I think I will need since my kids' net usage is becoming more bandwidth-heavy is something that will let me limit their bandwidth and have proxy caching to same overall bandwidth - plus that should help when I have Windows PCs I need to fix since the updates from Microsoft would be cached too. I have looked at Untangle, Endian, Astaro, Smoothwall, and a few others. What would some of you recommend? I use IPCop right now, but my next firewall will be BSD based. I might go OpenBSD/pf, or a pfsense software appliance somewhat analogous to IPCop. I forwarded your question to the GoLUG list, and got several positive replies about BSD based firewalls. This one from Chad Perrin is very interesting: == I've written some articles that provide some kind of introduction to some of the possibilities with PF: Using PF and ALTQ for QoS management http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=391 Use firewall software like PF to protect your desktop systems http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=4833 The Book of PF is the canonical reference for the PF firewall http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=5030 Filtering PF firewall logs http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=5046 For the more casual user, two firewall distributions based on PF are very popular: m0n0wall http://m0n0.ch/wall/ pfSense http://www.pfsense.org/ == HTH SteveT Steve Litt Recession Relief Package http://www.recession-relief.US Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: Printer Driver Issue
William Thompson wrote: You can always move binaries out of the path and then they cannot be executed by anything. The only problem there is that the installer writes it and then removes it so fast you'd have to be really quick to get it moved in time! - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
-Original Message- From: William L. Thomson Jr. [mailto:w...@obsidian-studios.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:33 PM To: list@jaxlug.org Subject: RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter I would also hardly classify Egypt as an uneducated third-world country, where the percentage of graduates for 15-29 year olds is comparable to that of the United States. Might want to check your facts. Literacy rate in Egypt is between 58%[1]- 67%[2] of adult population. Now lets talking owning a computer or cell phone. You think electricity is every where there[3]? I surely would not compared Egypt to the US by any means. Nothing was said about the literacy rate. Their 15-29 year olds are graduating from a secondary educational institution at about the same rate that are graduating here in the United States. But since you mention literacy rate, you'll find that right here at home in Northwest Jacksonville the literacy rate to be not that far off of what you found in Egypt's population as a whole. As hard it may be to believe, there actually is a world outside of the U.S. border (bubble) that is not as dumb as we may want them to be. Egypt was educating their people long long long before the U.S. even existed. - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
I will say the value of these supposed social connections to someone you can never meet is very low and nearly worthless. You don't really know anyone until you meet them in person. Whether you believe that or not is up to you. In my 17 years of experience with online communities, BBSes, mailing lists, etc. this has been a firm constant. You really don't know people you are meeting them in person either. There were some people who lived in communities with Dennis Rader, worked with him, and even let their children stay the night at his house. They would swear up and down they knew him and that he was a good man. WRONG. Technically you don't really know your teachers or professors either. What if you take an online class? It doesn't mean because you never meet them in person that they don't have something to offer you. It's the same with your other social connections as well. You don't need to truly know them in order to benefit from them. None of the previous stated technologies you mentioned had the impact then that social networks have today. We live in a rapidly changing technology driven world. We have to concede that some of the changes aren't like previous experiences we have had. We can embrace the technology and learn to use it to our advantage or we can become irrelevant technology dinosars and tell kids how computers used to use punch cards :) -- *Nathan Hamiel* http://hexsec.com http://hexsec.comhttp://twitter.com/nathanhamiel blog: www.neohaxor.org
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 13:37 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: Yea, that started because of social networks. People who did have computers got their neighbors who didn't involved. They tried to start the same in Iran a few years back, and what was the outcome of that? Again they just used resources available at the time. If there was no Twitter or social networks. Its very likely Egypt would have had a revolt at some point, if not sooner than later. Its all speculative. News as I was referring to is not reported news or journalistic new, although sometimes that is what it is. It could be that a Tsunami just it or that someone is giving a talk at a certain time. It's all technically news although not all newsworthy, if that makes sense. Just because it isn't newsworthy doesn't mean it isn't news. Sure, but even if you use it in broad terms. You see the stats/facts coming out of Twitter. Even if they are way off, its still a small amount of good information, in the midst of a tremendous amount of information that may be of no relevance, value, or use. Not all social networking is public. The aspects that are private concern me even more. What are these companies doing with the data they have access to. I would not assume they ignore it ;) I would almost venture to say that not connecting socially could hurt you tomorrow. Why? I can always start, and then what disadvantage am I at? So far from all I have seen the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks in many cases. What drawbacks? Again we haven't even had a decade of social networking yet. The consequences are still way off in the future. Considering how much of the net gets archived, snap shots. You have no idea what might come back to haunt you down the line. We are still in the beginning. Say for instance in the unlikely event someone loses a job, their connections could open doors for them. People have lost their jobs, and that was not the outcome for them. It made it much more difficult to move forward. I have had it happen to people I know, both men and women. Challenges afterward were the same. Heck didn't a senator just resign for taking/sending a topless pic of himself. That was a form of social interaction, if not part of some network. Perfect case in point, information that would not do you any good if faced with public scrutiny. Many jobs never get posted out because of referrals. That's just one case in particular. Your social presence could actually benefit people as well as you gaining benefit from them. I know, I know, that's in a perfect world. There are always asshats out there, but still there are many benefits. I never said there weren't any benefits. But no one is talking about the potential drawbacks. Which I think are some what considerable, and unforeseen by most these days. Once again, it's you sharing the data. If you have a bunch of pictures of yourself smoking a bowl on your social network, then yea there may be some repercussions. Its not even illegal activities. Long ago my uncle owned Shades Night Club in Orange Park. One night the camera person took a picture of a state trooper having a few drinks. He was not drunk, nor committing a crime. Those pictures got posted to the website, and his boss saw them and it was not a good day. The pictures came down, and the trooper kept his job ;) That was before Twitter, and I think a few years before Facebook was publicly available. Given the club closed in 2006, I think these events took place in 2005. You know, I just thought of something I think it has to do with the speed and delivery of information. In the security world minutes count. Knowing something first can mean you are better protected or better at exploitation. The jobs security people have today probably won't be the jobs we have in 4 or 5 years. Maybe it's that speed and need for adaptation that makes this style of communication so attractive. Not many jobs have that requirement or have things change almost daily. A private IRC channel can do the same and even more. Not limited to 150 characters. But yes speed is of the essence with certain types of communication. Just the same if its social hype, that rumor can spread ridiculously fast, and do damage, before anyone even finds out its not legit. That has happened as well to a few people I recall reading about. I am going to throw my second Wow of the day in here. You just compared Twitter to IRC. They have two totally different purposes. Otherwise people wouldn't use IRC and also have Twitter accounts. Or just stick to IRC and never have a Twitter account, as a quite many I work with ;) IRC is basically just group chatting. First of all, only a small amount of people even use IRC. Wow talk about bubbles, you really think that is the case? Do you realize how most Linux distributions come about these days? Might want to research their #1 form of communication, and thats for just about any distro. Secondly, people
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
Nathan's arguments prompted me to create a twitter account. I am so far behind on everything it isn't even funny. I do not see a win in my immediate future. You better get back to work Nathan. On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 13:37 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: Not everyone owns a computer, and some people are still illiterate. More so when you start talking about third world countries. Think about the majority of the populations of the countries who's governments were overthrown :) Yea, that started because of social networks. People who did have computers got their neighbors who didn't involved. Social networks (love them or hate them) have connected the world it a way not thought possible before. You may be feeling a certain way about the government or your living conditions and have no idea that thousands of people around you also feel the same way. Then you find out that all over your country feel the same way. You may have kept it to yourself. You may not have been aware that the government dragged someone a few blocks away out of their house kicking and screaming never to be seen again. That's the power of socially connecting to people on the Internet. Hell, most news stories are broken on Twitter before you see them on the evening news. These facts are pretty undeniable. I would like to see a papyrus do that ;) The reference two how news comes about these days is part of what I dislike about the social networks. To be a news person used to involved a process, that now anyone with a means to communicate simulate. Without having to do the work, vet leads, etc. It has also lead to various retractions in legit media. News as I was referring to is not reported news or journalistic new, although sometimes that is what it is. It could be that a Tsunami just it or that someone is giving a talk at a certain time. It's all technically news although not all newsworthy, if that makes sense. Just because it isn't newsworthy doesn't mean it isn't news. Why does that make you proud? I am always surprised when people say things like this. There is no way to really know the value of a social network until you use it. There is no way to know the long term impacts of socialization being public. That which can help you today, could potentially hurt you tomorrow. Not all social networking is public. I would almost venture to say that not connecting socially could hurt you tomorrow. So far from all I have seen the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks in many cases. Say for instance in the unlikely event someone loses a job, their connections could open doors for them. Many jobs never get posted out because of referrals. That's just one case in particular. Your social presence could actually benefit people as well as you gaining benefit from them. I know, I know, that's in a perfect world. There are always asshats out there, but still there are many benefits. The value of your social network experience is based on who you are connected to as well as your contributions back to it. I realize this is hard for you to understand because you haven't participated but I think you would be surprised. Yes, and I know people who have lost their jobs and had other major problems in life they never considered at first. I value what little privacy I have left in this world. Every day there is less and less of that. Once again, it's you sharing the data. If you have a bunch of pictures of yourself smoking a bowl on your social network, then yea there may be some repercussions. Often I see things on twitter days and sometimes weeks before it ends up on something like Slashdot. What about things that would be useful to you that might not make it to something like Slashdot? Even prior to the rise of social networks, I did not live on Slashdot. I rarely pay any attention to it, and it has no effect on my world or bubble :) You know, I just thought of something I think it has to do with the speed and delivery of information. In the security world minutes count. Knowing something first can mean you are better protected or better at exploitation. The jobs security people have today probably won't be the jobs we have in 4 or 5 years. Maybe it's that speed and need for adaptation that makes this style of communication so attractive. Not many jobs have that requirement or have things change almost daily. In some ways by not being a Twitter user you are losing out. In some ways participating in Twitter allows you to directly connect with developers of a project or other experts in your field. I have been in the trenches for years, we have a great invention called IRC. I communicate and work with people all over the world. Its how Gentoo operates, and most distros with distributed developer bases. I am going to throw my second Wow of the day in here. You just
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
Egypt was educating their people long long long before the U.S. even existed. That would be called a touché :) -- *Nathan Hamiel* http://hexsec.com http://hexsec.comhttp://twitter.com/nathanhamiel blog: www.neohaxor.org
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 13:44 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: Its also classified as a developing country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country For someone who gets hung up on vetting and such you sure do refer to Wikipedia a lot ;) Yes because you can see the vetting process in full effect. If you question it, then change it, and if others question you, debate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Developing_country Its why they have talk pages. Also areas where they mark stuff as disputed, current events etc. Its a great resource because anyone can contribute, and anyone can challenge the contributions just the same. Also Wikipedia tends to be some what of an aggregator, they just pull information from else where. One can gather the same stuff on their own. Or just go to Wikipedia which likely someone gathered it there already. Most any opinion on there has a reference to back it up factually. If its something that needs a reference they will say it needs a citation. I would say of the social networking world. A live, world wide, encyclopedia is likely at the top of the value and useful list. -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
Nathan's arguments prompted me to create a twitter account. I'm glad to hear it. Nothing wrong with at least giving it a try. I am so far behind on everything it isn't even funny. I do not see a win in my immediate future. Ha, yes. Having an open Twitter account means that someone can throw something you posted back in your face ;) You better get back to work Nathan. You are right, that is exactly what I should be doing I just can't help myself. -- *Nathan Hamiel* http://hexsec.com http://hexsec.comhttp://twitter.com/nathanhamiel blog: www.neohaxor.org
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 14:04 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: Egypt was educating their people long long long before the U.S. even existed. That would be called a touché :) Not really I am half Arabic. While there has been many things that came out of the Arab world, including education. It has not been what it was for some time. In fact of most of the Arab countries, guess where the rich or royalty send their kids to be educated? :) Have we forgot which country discovered electricity, both AC and DC, created the light bulb, much less the microprocessor, and all the rest? Yet you really want to compare the educational background of this country to another. Even more so, roads, modern day cities, etc. The list of what other countries do to take after things we have done in the US, or US technology is endless. Only in a few cases have others improved upon our concepts. Most depend on them and are still trying to find a way to implement. Like making sure the entire country has electricity :) -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: Printer Driver Issue
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 13:56 -0400, Michael A. Knox wrote: William Thompson wrote: You can always move binaries out of the path and then they cannot be executed by anything. The only problem there is that the installer writes it and then removes it so fast you'd have to be really quick to get it moved in time! Move it before you run the installer. It might fail at other points if its trying to remove stuff prior to that. Then again could always write a script call it rm, and have that do nothing but return 0. To trick the installer into thinking rm returned success vs failure. -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
Nathan Hamiel wrote: I will say the value of these supposed social connections to someone you can never meet is very low and nearly worthless. You don't really know anyone until you meet them in person. Whether you believe that or not is up to you. In my 17 years of experience with online communities, BBSes, mailing lists, etc. this has been a firm constant. You really don't know people you are meeting them in person either. There were some people who lived in communities with Dennis Rader, worked with him, and even let their children stay the night at his house. They would swear up and down they knew him and that he was a good man. WRONG. There is nothing in your statement that will change my own experience. Technically you don't really know your teachers or professors either. What if you take an online class? It doesn't mean because you never meet them in person that they don't have something to offer you. It's the same with your other social connections as well. You don't need to truly know them in order to benefit from them. None of the previous stated technologies you mentioned had the impact then that social networks have today. We live in a rapidly changing technology driven world. We have to concede that some of the changes aren't like previous experiences we have had. We can embrace the technology and learn to use it to our advantage or we can become irrelevant technology dinosars and tell kids how computers used to use punch cards :) So abandon things that work just because something new comes along? Certain fundamentals don't change when you hit the Friend or Follow buttons. -- Kyle Gonzales kyle.gonza...@gmail.com GPG Key #0x566B435B Read My Tech Blog: http://techiebloggiethingie.blogspot.com/ - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: Printer Driver Issue
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 13:54 -0400, Michael A. Knox wrote: Exit screen. the lua_ folder is removed by that point but /tmp is still intact. Ahh, I wasn't looking at the /tmp folder while the installer was waiting on the Exit screen, so I didn't see it sitting there. Thanks. That let me get the .deb file, and now the printer works. I still have to get the scanner going, though. Why not just make an x64 driver for Linux? Oh, well. At least there's a Linux driver. Porting stuff from 32bit to 64bit is not as straight forward as one might think or assume. Not to mention most any 32bit stuff should run in 64bit, providing the necessary libraries are there. -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: Printer Driver Issue
Mike, I think William means that you would actually move the 'rm' executable. That way when the installer tries to run rm -rf the command fails. Things would get wacky if it didn't get put back though. John On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:16 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. w...@obsidian-studios.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 13:56 -0400, Michael A. Knox wrote: William Thompson wrote: You can always move binaries out of the path and then they cannot be executed by anything. The only problem there is that the installer writes it and then removes it so fast you'd have to be really quick to get it moved in time! Move it before you run the installer. It might fail at other points if its trying to remove stuff prior to that. Then again could always write a script call it rm, and have that do nothing but return 0. To trick the installer into thinking rm returned success vs failure. -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
Not really I am half Arabic. While there has been many things that came out of the Arab world, including education. It has not been what it was for some time. In fact of most of the Arab countries, guess where the rich or royalty send their kids to be educated? :) So being half Arabic gives you a unique view in to ancient history? Maybe you can help me out a bit, I am a little fuzzy on where the Library of Alexandria was :) This great store of ancient information. Have we forgot which country discovered electricity, both AC and DC, created the light bulb, much less the microprocessor, and all the rest? Yet you really want to compare the educational background of this country to another. Nope, not correct. This country did not discover electricity. Haven't you ever heard of the Baghdad battery? It was around long before the Vikings even voyaged this way. The AC motor was invented by Nikola Tesla who was Serbian although, he did live in the US. Also, we didn't invent the computer either. You might want to look in to the Antikythera mechanism believed to have been around from around 100 BC. We have ancients who knew more than many in our country today. Obviously overall more people have a general education, but we should be learning from previous advancements in history. Even more so, roads, modern day cities, etc. The list of what other countries do to take after things we have done in the US, or US technology is endless. Only in a few cases have others improved upon our concepts. Most depend on them and are still trying to find a way to implement. Like making sure the entire country has electricity :) This is not the case either. Our infrastructure is horrible in this country. Have you ever traveled outside of the country? I travel fairly often and many other countries in the world take much better care and have much more modern infrastructure. You have high speed rail in other countries, you have bridges that aren't falling apart, and you have an electrical grid that isn't ancient. We have serious problems in this country that need to be addressed. I don't know of any other countries that are using what we have done in any kind of template, unless it's what not to do. Our infrastructure is a stack of dominoes and if they start falling we are in trouble. -- *Nathan Hamiel* http://hexsec.com http://hexsec.comhttp://twitter.com/nathanhamiel blog: www.neohaxor.org
RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
-Original Message- From: William L. Thomson Jr. [mailto:w...@obsidian-studios.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 2:13 PM To: Jax-LUG Subject: Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter Even more so, roads, modern day cities, etc. The list of what other countries do to take after things we have done in the US, or US technology is endless. Only in a few cases have others improved upon our concepts. Most depend on them and are still trying to find a way to implement. Like making sure the entire country has electricity :) Egypt has roads and electricity where the vast majority of people are, just like in America. Go to the middle of Death Valley, California and you'll find about as much electricity as you'll find in the middle of the Sahara desert. Egypt is roughly the same size as California, but 90% is terrain comparable to Death Valley. - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 14:32 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: So being half Arabic gives you a unique view in to ancient history? No but the educational things the Arab world did for the rest art part of ancient history. Which anyone can go and learn about, history of taking a bath, algebra, distilling, etc. Maybe you can help me out a bit, I am a little fuzzy on where the Library of Alexandria was :) This great store of ancient information. Even the Egyptian people, who are so educated, have no clue :) Nope, not correct. This country did not discover electricity. Haven't you ever heard of the Baghdad battery? It was around long before the Vikings even voyaged this way. You might want to go research the Baghdad batter, and the amount of electricity it was capable of producing. They did not know it as such, and uses were very different. You can interpret things how ever you like, but what we know as modern day electricity, the concept of such, turning on a light etc, came from the US. The AC motor was invented by Nikola Tesla who was Serbian although, he did live in the US. Who was Tesla working for in the US? :) Also, we didn't invent the computer either. You might want to look in to the Antikythera mechanism believed to have been around from around 100 BC. I am talking about electronic computer. Which again there was no electricity back then. At least not to our present knowledge, and surely not from the Bahgdad battery. Which you can go make one now, and see what kind of charge you get from what. What all you can power and do with that :) We have ancients who knew more than many in our country today. Obviously overall more people have a general education, but we should be learning from previous advancements in history. An advancement in history is something that lives on and we continue to use to this day. Like taking a bath, distilling beverages and other things, using algebra, and many other things. If something exists and has a one off use, not practical or worth acknowledging. Like curing cancer or aids in one person. Would you turn around and say we have the cure now? If it doesn't apply to all, or the majority in a case scenario, then its one off. This is not the case either. Our infrastructure is horrible in this country. At least we have infrastructure. Our problem is its age, but its there. Others are starting from scratch. Ever heard of the black outs in India. Have you ever traveled outside of the country? Yes, but I can't travel to some places I would like to do for other reasons. I travel fairly often and many other countries in the world take much better care and have much more modern infrastructure. They took after things we did here and improved upon them. They also do not have the amount of land to cover, or other issues we face. There are places with better infrastructure than the US, but there are many more with less and worse infrastructure. Think our neighbor to the south Mexico. Or Islands to the south of Florida. Funny that the literacy rate in Haiti is not to far off that in Egypt. You have high speed rail in other countries, you have bridges that aren't falling apart, and you have an electrical grid that isn't ancient. You are talking about a very small minority of countries. There are quite many more with major power issues, and infrastructure that never existed and is also falling apart. Take a hard look at India, they have it all. Technology, and things falling apart, along with black outs and all sorts of problems. China is not to far behind or along. Sure in their cities, but go into the rural country lands, and very different scenario. We have serious problems in this country that need to be addressed. As do most all countries. I don't know of any other countries that are using what we have done in any kind of template, unless it's what not to do. Um any country with a road system or freeway system took after the US. Any country with big modern cities took after the US. Those high speed rails you love so much. Where were the first trains? Our infrastructure is a stack of dominoes and if they start falling we are in trouble. Again its because we are on our second or third generation. We have had infrastructure long enough for it to fall apart. That right there says quite allot ;) Also I guess your not aware of the building collapses in other countries. Sure they have modern building, but do not have our codes or standards of building. I am not even talking Haiti, but Asian countries. They have on idea how to maintain things, etc. We are not perfect, and perfect does not exist. But does it get any better than the US? Who gives more aid than the US? Who drives technology world wide, post WWII :) Lots of negatives sure, but the list of positives goes on and on. Heck we are the country that created Facebook and Twitter! -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com
Re: Printer Driver Issue
William Thompson wrote: Porting stuff from 32bit to 64bit is not as straight forward as one might think or assume. Not to mention most any 32bit stuff should run in 64bit, providing the necessary libraries are there. True, but the problem here isn't porting the drivers to x64, but simply correcting the installer's inability to allow the installation to proceed when it detects an x64 OS. That's just a few lines of code. Of course, this discussion has me wondering if I could replace the dpkg binary with a script that would run dpkg with --force-architecture set, although I'm not sure that the catch routine is in dpkg or within the script itself. Installing the .deb by itself worked, sort of, but the scanner is dead and the printer is monochrome only even when set for color, which tells me that I need to figure out to get the installer to run without choking on the x64 architecture. - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 14:41 -0400, Mike Rathburn wrote: Egypt has roads and electricity where the vast majority of people are, just like in America. Go to the middle of Death Valley, California and you'll find about as much electricity as you'll find in the middle of the Sahara desert. Egypt is roughly the same size as California, but 90% is terrain comparable to Death Valley. So misleading, Egypt is so far behind the US. Even in Cairo their poverty rate is higher than in most US cities. I would invite you to go there, and will likely be a very different experience than you expect. You think they just overthrew the government because all is so great in Egypt? Think about that for a bit :) -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: Printer Driver Issue
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 14:50 -0400, Michael A. Knox wrote: William Thompson wrote: Porting stuff from 32bit to 64bit is not as straight forward as one might think or assume. Not to mention most any 32bit stuff should run in 64bit, providing the necessary libraries are there. True, but the problem here isn't porting the drivers to x64, but simply correcting the installer's inability to allow the installation to proceed when it detects an x64 OS. That's just a few lines of code. Very likely the case, you should comment to Dell on that. I would say file a bug with upstream, but not sure what you can or can't do when it comes to manufactures like Dell. Of course, this discussion has me wondering if I could replace the dpkg binary with a script that would run dpkg with --force-architecture set, Sure why not, just call your script dpkg. Make sure the real dpkg is not in the path anywhere, and have an absolutely reference to that in your script. although I'm not sure that the catch routine is in dpkg or within the script itself. Probably within their script. I don't think you can manipulate the environment variable wise to fake out the script. If its doing like uname or other to get the architecture. Not sure how you would go about that. I guess you could keep replacing binaries with scripts. But chances of making a mess increases. You won't hose anything, as a live cd and replacing some binaries will get you back up and running. Just a nasty, hacky, process. Installing the .deb by itself worked, sort of, but the scanner is dead and the printer is monochrome only even when set for color, which tells me that I need to figure out to get the installer to run without choking on the x64 architecture. There could also be known reasons why it won't work on x64, and thats why the script won't let you proceed. I would check with Dell if you have not already. -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
-Original Message- From: William L. Thomson Jr. [mailto:w...@obsidian-studios.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 2:52 PM To: Jax-LUG Subject: RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter So misleading, Egypt is so far behind the US. Even in Cairo their poverty rate is higher than in most US cities. I would invite you to go there, and will likely be a very different experience than you expect. You think they just overthrew the government because all is so great in Egypt? Think about that for a bit :) Been there twice. Loved it, and can't wait to see what it's like in 5 years. They overthrew their government for the same reasons we did here in America 250 years ago - taxation without representation. It never works and will always fail eventually. If society has evolved from riding a horse through town screaming the British are coming into tweets from a cell phone, then so be it. The message is still the same. - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
Getting way off topic now even from Twitter ;) On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 15:08 -0400, Mike Rathburn wrote: Been there twice. As a tourist, or were you visiting and staying with family and/or friends? Quite different experiences depending. How were the roads? How did you travel, rent a car, taxi, bus? Where there any animals on the road? Were all the roads paved? Did you visit rural and non-tourist areas with nothing to see, but the avg every day life of Egyptians? The tourist spots are nice, but that is not a reflection of the country as a whole. Not saying Egypt is a horrible place, but its still pretty far from being considered a modern country by many different standards. Loved it, and can't wait to see what it's like in 5 years. They overthrew their government for the same reasons we did here in America 250 years ago - taxation without representation. Similar reasons but not the same at all. Colonists were not suffering or poor as most of Egypt's society is still. Not to mention we were a colony, being taxed by a remote entity with no representation. Not our own local government driving and living around us in luxury as the average citizen struggles to be above poverty level. Colonists were not considered citizens of England. Thus they are quite different. There are some similarities but many more differences. England was not necessarily oppressing the colonists. Taxing with representation is quite different from oppression. Which more relates to our civil rights issues/movements and other things. The real oppression people in the US faced, never came from England but within, which is worse. It never works and will always fail eventually. If society has evolved from riding a horse through town screaming the British are coming into tweets from a cell phone, then so be it. The message is still the same. First off that story is a popular poem/myth from a famous author, Henry Longfellow[1]. Not to be mistaken with factual history. Henry used the story and Paul's catchy name for pop culture purposes, maybe for profit, that is all. Paul was not the only one, and while he was alive wasn't known for such deeds[2][3]. But where does that leave say Libya? Where are all the Tweets from there? Is it technology thats helping to overthrow the Libyan government? A one off case and scenario is not a de facto for them all. How many countries have had their governments overthrown? Just the US and Egypt? 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Revere 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Revere%27s_Ride_%28poem%29 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Dawes -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Data Center in a Box
Who needs some goodies to play with? http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/sys/2267217382.html I've completed my move over to Amazon Web Services, so this behemoth isn't needed any longer. Interestingly AWS has created their own little flavor of Linux (Amazon AMI Linux), which looks to be nothing more than CentOS. - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
-Original Message- From: William L. Thomson Jr. [mailto:w...@obsidian-studios.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:50 PM To: list@jaxlug.org Subject: RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter Yeah but as you very well know the molecular structure of a monkey cannot possibly interact cohesively with the data, minus the aggregate. There's a reason why intelligent life hasn't been found yet at the bottom of the ocean. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_biology http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=monkey%20balls - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 16:59 -0400, Mike Rathburn wrote: Yeah but as you very well know the molecular structure of a monkey cannot possibly interact cohesively with the data, minus the aggregate. We know nothing about everything, we just think we do :) There's a reason why intelligent life hasn't been found yet at the bottom of the ocean. Given that its a known fact we know more about outer space and our own moon than we do about our oceans. Not to mention we humans love to underestimate the intelligence of things that have been on this planet likely longer than we have. To think there is not intelligence at the bottom of the ocean, just speaks to the arrogance and ignorance of us humans as a whole. If I was intelligent in the ocean, I would simply avoid stupid humans :) I have a fish who has held eggs in her mouth for over a month. She is not even a year old, and with no instruction as to how to deal with the pregnancy, etc. Just 100% instinct and mother nature. Contrast that to how many books and things we do to try to teach humans to be good parents etc. We have much to learn from the animal world. Like harmony with nature and balance, be it on land or in the oceans. -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
-Original Message- From: William L. Thomson Jr. [mailto:w...@obsidian-studios.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 5:07 PM To: list@jaxlug.org Subject: RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter We know nothing about everything, we just think we do :) Given that its a known fact we know more about outer space and our own moon than we do about our oceans. Not to mention we humans love to underestimate the intelligence of things that have been on this planet likely longer than we have. To think there is not intelligence at the bottom of the ocean, just speaks to the arrogance and ignorance of us humans as a whole. If I was intelligent in the ocean, I would simply avoid stupid humans :) I have a fish who has held eggs in her mouth for over a month. She is not even a year old, and with no instruction as to how to deal with the pregnancy, etc. Just 100% instinct and mother nature. Contrast that to how many books and things we do to try to teach humans to be good parents etc. We have much to learn from the animal world. Like harmony with nature and balance, be it on land or in the oceans. Is that your final answer? Wink. I was just testing to see if there's an end to this, since there's obviously no one else on the face of the planet with as much knowledge, intellect, and unparalleled experience as you in pretty much all subject matter - even that babble about monkey balls. Smiley face. - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 17:15 -0400, Mike Rathburn wrote: We have much to learn from the animal world. Like harmony with nature and balance, be it on land or in the oceans. Is that your final answer? Wink. I was just testing to see if there's an end to this, Is there a reason it needs to come to an end? Keep in mind I never jumped topics to Egypt, monkeys, or ocean life. Though I am picking up the bandwidth bill for it all, much less my time to keep the list, wiki, etc alive. No offense but if I want to ramble on, I think I have earned that right, no? At the same time you don't see me stopping anyone else from topic jumping or pointless babble :) I look at it all as allot of good keywords for the bayesian filter. Which should reduce the frequency of legit email being rejected as spam. since there's obviously no one else on the face of the planet with as much knowledge, intellect, and unparalleled experience as you in pretty much all subject matter - even that babble about monkey balls. Smiley face. Who ever said I know it all? I think my comment above, with the reference of we, as well as the others to humans I snipped, includes myself. Otherwise I would have said everyone but me I have no idea how you read into what I typed as me knowing one way or another. Considering I concluded with a statement saying we have much to learn. If you know something, you need not bothering to learn it, right? :) The one thing I do know is the more I learn, the more I realize I do not know anything. If you see me suggesting things most times, I will say I think vs I know, bit of a difference there. I have been wrong many times before, and will be wrong many times again. I rather be wrong than right most times. You tend to learn more, and being wrong doesn't boost your ego, it humbles you. -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
RE: Geek propaganda: was Usefulness of Twitter
-Original Message- From: Steve Litt [mailto:sl...@troubleshooters.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 5:40 PM To: list@jaxlug.org Subject: Geek propaganda: was Usefulness of Twitter Nice propaganda Mike, but these two websites reveal much more urgent causes of the Egyptian revolution than taxes, and in fact don't mention taxes at all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Egyptian_revolution http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/30/egypt-revolution- 2011_n_816026.html Hey, I know we Geeks are all Libertarian, believe in ever lowering taxes, believe our marketplace is a meritocracy and believe the invisible hand of Adam Smith will cure all ills, but could we at least get the facts right when backing up these assertions on LUG lists? Taxation comes in many forms, only one of which is monetary. - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: March Meeting Tonight
Wish I could be there, friend coming in from out of town. You guys have fun On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:40 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. ad...@jaxlug.org wrote: JaxLUG March 2011 Meeting When : Tuesday, Mar 15th 6:30pm Where : Peak 10 Topic : Intro to Linux Kernel Firewall Presented By : William L. Thomson Jr. http://wiki.jaxlug.org http://wiki.jaxlug.org/index.php/Peak_10 - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter
This topic would go under the category of pointless babble? lol I haven't gotten to read all of this yet (lord knows, my reading skill has increased by 2 already and I'm not even half way through) but wanted to say that addiction to social media is a real thing. It becomes evident in conversations similar to these (this does not mean this particular conversation does or does not apply). People will mindlessly protect something such as this they love to the death if they are addicted and truly believe it's a wonderful thing... even if the usefulness isn't really justified. Just like playing an MMORPG. People get a sense of duty playing it and feel they are accomplishing things when they earn gold etc thinking it has actual value like real world money. Though part of that is true, the real reason most people play is out of pure addiction. If the bees nest wasn't stirred before now, surely I've done it. This is how I feel about the topic though. Facebook, twitter, and even cell phones are modern day conveniences that aren't necessary. We've effectively established ten fold more methods of communication than we had 20 years ago, yet we the amount of heart felt conversations has dropped. On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 5:33 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. w...@obsidian-studios.com wrote: On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 17:15 -0400, Mike Rathburn wrote: We have much to learn from the animal world. Like harmony with nature and balance, be it on land or in the oceans. Is that your final answer? Wink. I was just testing to see if there's an end to this, Is there a reason it needs to come to an end? Keep in mind I never jumped topics to Egypt, monkeys, or ocean life. Though I am picking up the bandwidth bill for it all, much less my time to keep the list, wiki, etc alive. No offense but if I want to ramble on, I think I have earned that right, no? At the same time you don't see me stopping anyone else from topic jumping or pointless babble :) I look at it all as allot of good keywords for the bayesian filter. Which should reduce the frequency of legit email being rejected as spam. since there's obviously no one else on the face of the planet with as much knowledge, intellect, and unparalleled experience as you in pretty much all subject matter - even that babble about monkey balls. Smiley face. Who ever said I know it all? I think my comment above, with the reference of we, as well as the others to humans I snipped, includes myself. Otherwise I would have said everyone but me I have no idea how you read into what I typed as me knowing one way or another. Considering I concluded with a statement saying we have much to learn. If you know something, you need not bothering to learn it, right? :) The one thing I do know is the more I learn, the more I realize I do not know anything. If you see me suggesting things most times, I will say I think vs I know, bit of a difference there. I have been wrong many times before, and will be wrong many times again. I rather be wrong than right most times. You tend to learn more, and being wrong doesn't boost your ego, it humbles you. -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
To test distcc compile kernel using distcc
Tonight I received a few questions about using distcc. Which once you have things setup, if you want to see distcc in action. A good way to test it out is by compiling a kernel. make -j5 CC=distcc bzImage or for Xen kernels make -j5 CC=distcc That will definitely use distcc, and it will let you know on command line if it can't. It will spit out fail to distribute to running locally. From there you can use distccmon, and/or htop/top to monitor and see distcc/cc process on the other machines/distcc nodes. The one thing I have not done with distcc thats been on my list for years is cross compiling. So my x86 machines can use my amd64 machines to compile and vice versa :) Unfortunately not to many packages build systems support parallel compiling or make file invocations. Which if thats the case usually the Gentoo ebuild will have the make options hard set to -j1. But same applies to any package you build from source manually. Now I am not sure about using distcc only as your compiler. I am not sure if an entire package can be compiled using a remote compiler and not using the local one at all. Need to run some tests/experiments and find out. -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc. http://www.obsidian-studios.com - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
Re: Printer Driver Issue
Michael, Probably not a help but I run AMD64 Debian Wheezy and also besides having the 64 libs running, I installed the ia32-libs and ia32-libs for GTK for any items which need the i386 libraries. Don't know if this will help or not but worth looking into if you already haven't. HTH Whit On 03/15/2011 02:50 PM, Michael A. Knox wrote: William Thompson wrote: Porting stuff from 32bit to 64bit is not as straight forward as one might think or assume. Not to mention most any 32bit stuff should run in 64bit, providing the necessary libraries are there. True, but the problem here isn't porting the drivers to x64, but simply correcting the installer's inability to allow the installation to proceed when it detects an x64 OS. That's just a few lines of code. Of course, this discussion has me wondering if I could replace the dpkg binary with a script that would run dpkg with --force-architecture set, although I'm not sure that the catch routine is in dpkg or within the script itself. Installing the .deb by itself worked, sort of, but the scanner is dead and the printer is monochrome only even when set for color, which tells me that I need to figure out to get the installer to run without choking on the x64 architecture. - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org - Archive http://marc.info/?l=jaxlug-listr=1w=2 RSS Feed http://www.mail-archive.com/list@jaxlug.org/maillist.xml Unsubscribe list-unsubscr...@jaxlug.org
