Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp can't reboot/power off

2017-05-14 Thread Mauro Tollardo
I tried Mate 14.04 today and all works fine!!
Thanks a lot!
Mauro

Il 12/Mag/2017 21:17, "richard kweskin"  ha scritto:

On 2017-05-11 09:52, Mauro Tollardo wrote:
> Hi all,
> my name is Mauro, new entry in the list.
> I'm trying to build up a classroom with a server and 20 clients (7
> fat,
> 13 thin). My clients are old and very old laptops.
> With some of them I can't reboot or reach the power-off step. The
> shutdown starts and all seems ok but then I get a black screen and I
> have to unplug the power to boot again.
>
> I'm using Lubuntu 16.04. Here some infos about my server:
>
> Linux shalomhome 4.4.0-75-generic #96-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 20 09:55:15
> UTC
> 2017 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
>
> ltsp-info
> server information:
> No LSB modules are available.
> Distributor ID:Ubuntu
> Description:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
> Release:16.04
> Codename:xenial
>
> server packages:
> ii ldm 2:2.2.18-1
> ii ldm-server 2:2.2.18-1
> un ldm-themes 
> ii ldm-ubuntu-theme 2:2.0.47
> un ldm-ubuntu-themes 
> ii ltsp-client 5.5.7-1
> ii ltsp-client-core 5.5.7-1
> ii ltsp-docs 1.2-1
> ii ltsp-server 5.5.7-1
> ii ltsp-server-standalone 5.5.7-1
> un ltsp-utils 
> ii ltspfs 1.4-2
> ii ltspfsd 1.4-2
> ii ltspfsd-core 1.4-2
>
> found image: /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
>
> Thanks a lot for your help!
> Mauro

The desktop environment lxde is very light and may lack something that
results in this way. I'm not aware of anything particular but have you
tried mate instead? You can experiment with a virtual system or even a
live cd and see if it makes a difference.

Richard


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp can't reboot/power off

2017-05-12 Thread richard kweskin
On 2017-05-11 09:52, Mauro Tollardo wrote:
> Hi all,
> my name is Mauro, new entry in the list.
> I'm trying to build up a classroom with a server and 20 clients (7 
> fat,
> 13 thin). My clients are old and very old laptops.
> With some of them I can't reboot or reach the power-off step. The
> shutdown starts and all seems ok but then I get a black screen and I
> have to unplug the power to boot again.
>
> I'm using Lubuntu 16.04. Here some infos about my server:
>
> Linux shalomhome 4.4.0-75-generic #96-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 20 09:55:15 
> UTC
> 2017 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
>
> ltsp-info
> server information:
> No LSB modules are available.
> Distributor ID:Ubuntu
> Description:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
> Release:16.04
> Codename:xenial
>
> server packages:
> ii ldm 2:2.2.18-1
> ii ldm-server 2:2.2.18-1
> un ldm-themes 
> ii ldm-ubuntu-theme 2:2.0.47
> un ldm-ubuntu-themes 
> ii ltsp-client 5.5.7-1
> ii ltsp-client-core 5.5.7-1
> ii ltsp-docs 1.2-1
> ii ltsp-server 5.5.7-1
> ii ltsp-server-standalone 5.5.7-1
> un ltsp-utils 
> ii ltspfs 1.4-2
> ii ltspfsd 1.4-2
> ii ltspfsd-core 1.4-2
>
> found image: /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
>
> Thanks a lot for your help!
> Mauro

The desktop environment lxde is very light and may lack something that 
results in this way. I'm not aware of anything particular but have you 
tried mate instead? You can experiment with a virtual system or even a 
live cd and see if it makes a difference.

Richard

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[Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp can't reboot/power off

2017-05-10 Thread Mauro Tollardo
Hi all,
my name is Mauro, new entry in the list.
I'm trying to build up a classroom with a server and 20 clients (7 fat, 
13 thin). My clients are old and very old laptops.
With some of them I can't reboot or reach the power-off step. The 
shutdown starts and all seems ok but then I get a black screen and I 
have to unplug the power to boot again.

I'm using Lubuntu 16.04. Here some infos about my server:

Linux shalomhome 4.4.0-75-generic #96-Ubuntu SMP Thu Apr 20 09:55:15 UTC 
2017 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux

ltsp-info
server information:
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID:Ubuntu
Description:Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
Release:16.04
Codename:xenial

server packages:
ii ldm 2:2.2.18-1
ii ldm-server 2:2.2.18-1
un ldm-themes 
ii ldm-ubuntu-theme 2:2.0.47
un ldm-ubuntu-themes 
ii ltsp-client 5.5.7-1
ii ltsp-client-core 5.5.7-1
ii ltsp-docs 1.2-1
ii ltsp-server 5.5.7-1
ii ltsp-server-standalone 5.5.7-1
un ltsp-utils 
ii ltspfs 1.4-2
ii ltspfsd 1.4-2
ii ltspfsd-core 1.4-2

found image: /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img

Thanks a lot for your help!
Mauro

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp: No overlayfs or aufs support detected

2016-01-24 Thread Truth
I have to correct my last statement about  LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS
which works fine if this parameter is within the default section [Default].
(see http://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/message/34791176/)

> Now, I moved the mount-point (from /mnt/home2) to /home2
> and add the following line in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.excludes:
> home2/*
>
> The good news is that the mount-point is now visible also at the client
> side.
> However, the symlinks still do not work because nothing is mounted to
> /home2 yet.
>
> I've tried to get more information about the parameter
> LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS=/home2
>
> ...and found a link which explains that the extra mount (=/home2)  will
> be mounted (to the client) only if the mountpoint in the chroot
> (=server) is empty ... which means that the idea of the parameter
> LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS  is to share the same (empty) folder to several
> clients (e.g. for file exchange ...?)
> (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients)
>
> Since my folder /home2 contains subfolders of all users (containing
> their Virtualbox stuff) the above mentioned approach will not help.
> For that reason I will try to implement Helmuts idea, which might take
> some time.
>
> Further comments are welcome ...
> Truth
>
>
>
>
> On 21.01.2016 16:24, Truth wrote:
>> to  Vlaltteri:
>> --
>> As you can see from the previous post I see the home directory mounted
>> via sshfs.
>>
>> The server has multiple users which I want to distribute to several clients.
>> The login screen on the client shows a prompt for user-name (and later
>> for the password).
>> (I'm not sure if this is what you want to know.)
>> However, I'm able to login for different users.
>>
>> I've tried   LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS=/mnt/home2
>> which sounds really promising.
>> Unfortunately, the additional mount-point is not visible after a reboot
>> of the client (and the server).
>> Do I have to rebuilt the image first?
>>
>> The symlinks within /home/truth are visible also on the client side.
>> However, the symlinks point to a mount-point which does not exist, e.g.:
>>  VirtualBox VMs -> /mnt/home2/truth/
>>
>> Any further suggestions?
>>
>>
>> to Helmut:
>> -
>> As far as I understand LTSP is able to use nbd or nfs - however, running
>> LTSP-PNP on kernel 4.3 seems to allows only nbd
>> (seehttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=786925)
>>
>> Nevertheless, even if nfs would be possible I would prefer to not mix to
>> many filesystems.
>> For that reason I would prefer to first follow Vlatteris approach ...
>>
>>
>> Truth
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21.01.2016 13:56, Valtteri Suojanen wrote:
>>> can you see any home directory ( most of it) after logging in to the
>>> desktop session? session is served default from the boot/ltsp server.
>>> you should get the home/user mounted from ltsp server without changing
>>> anything. home directory is mounted with sshfs
>>>
>>> how do you use this ltsp server? is the setup built for multiple users
>>> or just one user/you?
>>>
>>> keep in mind that consideration how your server is used and
>>> Check lts.conf manpaged and try:
>>>
>>> a)  LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS=/mnt/home2
>>> or
>>> b)just create the symlinks in the home directory and test login from
>>> client (check from manpage SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS)
>>>
>>> or if nfs mount sounds ok
>>> c) check NFS_HOME (is it depricated?). maybe search here in
>>> ltsp-discuss how FSTAB has been used to do nfs mounts
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Valtteri Suojanen
>>>
>>> 21.1.2016 13.09 "Truth" mailto:tru...@gmx.de>> kirjoitti:
>>>
>>>   On 21.01.2016 11:16, Truth wrote:
>>>   > On 21.01.2016 05:15, Vagrant Cascadian wrote:
>>>   >> On 2016-01-20, Truth wrote:
>>>   >>> While everything was fine with my test-setup using Debian 8.2
>>>   (i386,
>>>   >>> linux-3.16) ...
>>>   >>> I tried to install the same ltsp-pnp server on Debian 8.2 (using
>>>   >>> linux-4.3 from the backports).
>>>   >> You'll need the backported LTSP packages from jessie-backports,
>>>   and may
>>>   >> as well get updated LDM packages while you're at it.
>>>   >>
>>>   >>
>>>   >>> I tried to create an image with the command
>>>   >>>  ltsp-update-image --cleanup /
>>>   >>>
>>>   >>> and get the following error message:
>>>   >>>  modprobe: FATAL: Module overlayfs not found.
>>>   >>>  modprobe: FATAL: Module aufs not found.
>>>   >>>  No overlayfs or aufs support detected
>>>   >>>
>>>   >>> (I did not have this problem with linux-3.16.)
>>>   >>>
>>>   >>> Does someone has an idea what's wrong?
>>>   >> The issue is that 4.x kernels in jessie-backports don't have aufs
>>>   >> support, and the version of LTSP you are using doesn't have
>>>   support for
>>>   >> the overlay fs included in the 4.x kernels (not to be confused with
>>>   >> overlayfs, which was shipped with ubuntu, but behaved somewhat
>

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp: No overlayfs or aufs support detected

2016-01-21 Thread Truth

Now, I moved the mount-point (from /mnt/home2) to /home2
and add the following line in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.excludes:
   home2/*

The good news is that the mount-point is now visible also at the client 
side.
However, the symlinks still do not work because nothing is mounted to 
/home2 yet.

I've tried to get more information about the parameter
   LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS=/home2

...and found a link which explains that the extra mount (=/home2)  will 
be mounted (to the client) only if the mountpoint in the chroot 
(=server) is empty ... which means that the idea of the parameter 
LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS  is to share the same (empty) folder to several 
clients (e.g. for file exchange ...?)
(see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients)

Since my folder /home2 contains subfolders of all users (containing 
their Virtualbox stuff) the above mentioned approach will not help.
For that reason I will try to implement Helmuts idea, which might take 
some time.

Further comments are welcome ...
Truth




On 21.01.2016 16:24, Truth wrote:
> to  Vlaltteri:
> --
> As you can see from the previous post I see the home directory mounted
> via sshfs.
>
> The server has multiple users which I want to distribute to several clients.
> The login screen on the client shows a prompt for user-name (and later
> for the password).
> (I'm not sure if this is what you want to know.)
> However, I'm able to login for different users.
>
> I've tried   LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS=/mnt/home2
> which sounds really promising.
> Unfortunately, the additional mount-point is not visible after a reboot
> of the client (and the server).
> Do I have to rebuilt the image first?
>
> The symlinks within /home/truth are visible also on the client side.
> However, the symlinks point to a mount-point which does not exist, e.g.:
> VirtualBox VMs -> /mnt/home2/truth/
>
> Any further suggestions?
>
>
> to Helmut:
> -
> As far as I understand LTSP is able to use nbd or nfs - however, running
> LTSP-PNP on kernel 4.3 seems to allows only nbd
> (seehttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=786925)
>
> Nevertheless, even if nfs would be possible I would prefer to not mix to
> many filesystems.
> For that reason I would prefer to first follow Vlatteris approach ...
>
>
> Truth
>
>
>
> On 21.01.2016 13:56, Valtteri Suojanen wrote:
>> can you see any home directory ( most of it) after logging in to the
>> desktop session? session is served default from the boot/ltsp server.
>> you should get the home/user mounted from ltsp server without changing
>> anything. home directory is mounted with sshfs
>>
>> how do you use this ltsp server? is the setup built for multiple users
>> or just one user/you?
>>
>> keep in mind that consideration how your server is used and
>> Check lts.conf manpaged and try:
>>
>> a)  LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS=/mnt/home2
>> or
>> b)just create the symlinks in the home directory and test login from
>> client (check from manpage SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS)
>>
>> or if nfs mount sounds ok
>> c) check NFS_HOME (is it depricated?). maybe search here in
>> ltsp-discuss how FSTAB has been used to do nfs mounts
>>
>> Best regards
>> Valtteri Suojanen
>>
>> 21.1.2016 13.09 "Truth" mailto:tru...@gmx.de>> kirjoitti:
>>
>>  On 21.01.2016 11:16, Truth wrote:
>>  > On 21.01.2016 05:15, Vagrant Cascadian wrote:
>>  >> On 2016-01-20, Truth wrote:
>>  >>> While everything was fine with my test-setup using Debian 8.2
>>  (i386,
>>  >>> linux-3.16) ...
>>  >>> I tried to install the same ltsp-pnp server on Debian 8.2 (using
>>  >>> linux-4.3 from the backports).
>>  >> You'll need the backported LTSP packages from jessie-backports,
>>  and may
>>  >> as well get updated LDM packages while you're at it.
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>> I tried to create an image with the command
>>  >>>  ltsp-update-image --cleanup /
>>  >>>
>>  >>> and get the following error message:
>>  >>>  modprobe: FATAL: Module overlayfs not found.
>>  >>>  modprobe: FATAL: Module aufs not found.
>>  >>>  No overlayfs or aufs support detected
>>  >>>
>>  >>> (I did not have this problem with linux-3.16.)
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Does someone has an idea what's wrong?
>>  >> The issue is that 4.x kernels in jessie-backports don't have aufs
>>  >> support, and the version of LTSP you are using doesn't have
>>  support for
>>  >> the overlay fs included in the 4.x kernels (not to be confused with
>>  >> overlayfs, which was shipped with ubuntu, but behaved somewhat
>>  >> differently).
>>  >>
>>  >> The newer versions of LTSP fix this issue, although required
>>  switching
>>  >> to NBD rather than NFS, as overlay fs is incompatible:
>>  >>
>>  >>https://bugs.debian.org/786925
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> live well,
>>  >> vagrant
>>  > Thanks for your input.
>>  > I've installed  ltsp-serve

Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp: No overlayfs or aufs support detected

2016-01-21 Thread Truth
to  Vlaltteri:
--
As you can see from the previous post I see the home directory mounted 
via sshfs.

The server has multiple users which I want to distribute to several clients.
The login screen on the client shows a prompt for user-name (and later 
for the password).
(I'm not sure if this is what you want to know.)
However, I'm able to login for different users.

I've tried   LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS=/mnt/home2
which sounds really promising.
Unfortunately, the additional mount-point is not visible after a reboot 
of the client (and the server).
Do I have to rebuilt the image first?

The symlinks within /home/truth are visible also on the client side.
However, the symlinks point to a mount-point which does not exist, e.g.:
   VirtualBox VMs -> /mnt/home2/truth/

Any further suggestions?


to Helmut:
-
As far as I understand LTSP is able to use nbd or nfs - however, running 
LTSP-PNP on kernel 4.3 seems to allows only nbd
(see https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=786925)

Nevertheless, even if nfs would be possible I would prefer to not mix to 
many filesystems.
For that reason I would prefer to first follow Vlatteris approach ...


Truth



On 21.01.2016 13:56, Valtteri Suojanen wrote:
>
> can you see any home directory ( most of it) after logging in to the 
> desktop session? session is served default from the boot/ltsp server. 
> you should get the home/user mounted from ltsp server without changing 
> anything. home directory is mounted with sshfs
>
> how do you use this ltsp server? is the setup built for multiple users 
> or just one user/you?
>
> keep in mind that consideration how your server is used and
> Check lts.conf manpaged and try:
>
> a)  LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS=/mnt/home2
> or
> b)just create the symlinks in the home directory and test login from 
> client (check from manpage SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS)
>
> or if nfs mount sounds ok
> c) check NFS_HOME (is it depricated?). maybe search here in 
> ltsp-discuss how FSTAB has been used to do nfs mounts
>
> Best regards
> Valtteri Suojanen
>
> 21.1.2016 13.09 "Truth" mailto:tru...@gmx.de>> kirjoitti:
>
> On 21.01.2016 11:16, Truth wrote:
> > On 21.01.2016 05:15, Vagrant Cascadian wrote:
> >> On 2016-01-20, Truth wrote:
> >>> While everything was fine with my test-setup using Debian 8.2
> (i386,
> >>> linux-3.16) ...
> >>> I tried to install the same ltsp-pnp server on Debian 8.2 (using
> >>> linux-4.3 from the backports).
> >> You'll need the backported LTSP packages from jessie-backports,
> and may
> >> as well get updated LDM packages while you're at it.
> >>
> >>
> >>> I tried to create an image with the command
> >>>  ltsp-update-image --cleanup /
> >>>
> >>> and get the following error message:
> >>>  modprobe: FATAL: Module overlayfs not found.
> >>>  modprobe: FATAL: Module aufs not found.
> >>>  No overlayfs or aufs support detected
> >>>
> >>> (I did not have this problem with linux-3.16.)
> >>>
> >>> Does someone has an idea what's wrong?
> >> The issue is that 4.x kernels in jessie-backports don't have aufs
> >> support, and the version of LTSP you are using doesn't have
> support for
> >> the overlay fs included in the 4.x kernels (not to be confused with
> >> overlayfs, which was shipped with ubuntu, but behaved somewhat
> >> differently).
> >>
> >> The newer versions of LTSP fix this issue, although required
> switching
> >> to NBD rather than NFS, as overlay fs is incompatible:
> >>
> >> https://bugs.debian.org/786925
> >>
> >>
> >> live well,
> >> vagrant
> > Thanks for your input.
> > I've installed  ltsp-server-standalone  and  ltsp-client from the
> > backports (ldm was already the latest version).
> > Nevertheless, on a first try I've got the same error message.
> >
> > I've tried several things and finally ltsp was running.
> > I'm not quite sure what exactly made the difference but it could
> be that
> > apt-get -t jessie-backports upgrade
> >
> > ... solved the problem.
> >
> > Now, when runningltsp-update-image --cleanup /
> > I get a nice image and (almost) everything is fine.
> >
> > However, is there a way to make an image including symlinks?
> > Some  parts of my home-directory (e.g. some virtualbox stuff) is
> located
> > in a separate partition which is mounted to /mnt/home2 and I use
> > symlinks to connect to this mount.
> >
> > Many thanks in advance.
> > Truth
>
> I've just realized that the home-directory can not be part of the
> image.
> However, I guess that I need to modify a config-file (how?) to
> solve my
> problem ...
>
> Truth
>
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp: No overlayfs or aufs support detected

2016-01-21 Thread Helmut Lichtenberg
Truth schrieb am 21.01.2016 15:03:
> On 21.01.2016 12:52, Helmut Lichtenberg wrote:
> > Truth schrieb am 21.01.2016 12:05:
> >> I've just realized that the home-directory can not be part of the image.
> >> However, I guess that I need to modify a config-file (how?) to solve my
> >> problem ...
> > What about automounting?
> >
> > If you use Debian jessie there is systemd. Try an entry in /etc/fstab in the
> > image:
> >
> > :/myhome  /myhome nfs vers=3,tcp,comment=systemd.automount 0 0
> 
> However, what I do not quit understand is why I can/should use nfs here 
> while the client uses fuse.sshfs to connect to the ltsp-server?

NFS is the traditional protocol to connect remote storage and it is easy to
handle.

> E.g. typing the command mount on the client results in something like:
>server:/home/truth on /home/truth type fuse.sshfs 
> (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,allow_other)

I don't know which command you issued. Anyway, you wrote:

> However, is there a way to make an image including symlinks?
> Some  parts of my home-directory (e.g. some virtualbox stuff) is located
> in a separate partition which is mounted to /mnt/home2  and I use
> symlinks to connect to this mount.

This appeared to me as a request, to mount some storage besides the common
home from a fileserver.

For NFS, you have to install the package nfs-kernel-server (Debian) on the
file server and create a file (or add an entry to) /etc/exports:

/home2  10.1.1.0/255.255.255.0(rw,async,no_subtree_check)

10.1.1.0/255.255.255.0 might be the subnet for your thin clients, please
adapt to your needs.

This gives the client the right to mount your /home2
With an appropriate entry (see above) in your thin clients /etc/fstab, this
directory is mounted automatically when needed.

In the thin client image, you have to install the package nfs-common.

Regards
Helmut

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp: No overlayfs or aufs support detected

2016-01-21 Thread Truth
On 21.01.2016 12:52, Helmut Lichtenberg wrote:
> Truth schrieb am 21.01.2016 12:05:
>> I've just realized that the home-directory can not be part of the image.
>> However, I guess that I need to modify a config-file (how?) to solve my
>> problem ...
> What about automounting?
>
> If you use Debian jessie there is systemd. Try an entry in /etc/fstab in the
> image:
>
> :/myhome  /myhome nfs vers=3,tcp,comment=systemd.automount 0 0
>
> Regards
> Helmut

In order to find out what you mean I've read some man pages
   http://linux.die.net/man/5/fstab
   http://linux.die.net/man/5/fs

and finally found the syntax within: http://linux.die.net/man/5/nfs

However, what I do not quit understand is why I can/should use nfs here 
while the client uses fuse.sshfs to connect to the ltsp-server?

E.g. typing the command mount on the client results in something like:
   server:/home/truth on /home/truth type fuse.sshfs 
(rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,allow_other)

Truth

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp: No overlayfs or aufs support detected

2016-01-21 Thread Valtteri Suojanen
can you see any home directory ( most of it) after logging in to the
desktop session? session is served default from the boot/ltsp server. you
should get the home/user mounted from ltsp server without changing
anything. home directory is mounted with sshfs

how do you use this ltsp server? is the setup built for multiple users or
just one user/you?

keep in mind that consideration how your server is used and
Check lts.conf manpaged and try:

a)  LOCAL_APPS_EXTRAMOUNTS=/mnt/home2
or
b)just create the symlinks in the home directory and test login from client
(check from manpage SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS)

or if nfs mount sounds ok
c) check NFS_HOME (is it depricated?). maybe search here in ltsp-discuss
how FSTAB has been used to do nfs mounts

Best regards
Valtteri Suojanen
21.1.2016 13.09 "Truth"  kirjoitti:

> On 21.01.2016 11:16, Truth wrote:
> > On 21.01.2016 05:15, Vagrant Cascadian wrote:
> >> On 2016-01-20, Truth wrote:
> >>> While everything was fine with my test-setup using Debian 8.2 (i386,
> >>> linux-3.16) ...
> >>> I tried to install the same ltsp-pnp server on Debian 8.2 (using
> >>> linux-4.3 from the backports).
> >> You'll need the backported LTSP packages from jessie-backports, and may
> >> as well get updated LDM packages while you're at it.
> >>
> >>
> >>> I tried to create an image with the command
> >>>  ltsp-update-image --cleanup /
> >>>
> >>> and get the following error message:
> >>>  modprobe: FATAL: Module overlayfs not found.
> >>>  modprobe: FATAL: Module aufs not found.
> >>>  No overlayfs or aufs support detected
> >>>
> >>> (I did not have this problem with linux-3.16.)
> >>>
> >>> Does someone has an idea what's wrong?
> >> The issue is that 4.x kernels in jessie-backports don't have aufs
> >> support, and the version of LTSP you are using doesn't have support for
> >> the overlay fs included in the 4.x kernels (not to be confused with
> >> overlayfs, which was shipped with ubuntu, but behaved somewhat
> >> differently).
> >>
> >> The newer versions of LTSP fix this issue, although required switching
> >> to NBD rather than NFS, as overlay fs is incompatible:
> >>
> >> https://bugs.debian.org/786925
> >>
> >>
> >> live well,
> >> vagrant
> > Thanks for your input.
> > I've installed  ltsp-server-standalone  and  ltsp-client  from the
> > backports (ldm was already the latest version).
> > Nevertheless, on a first try I've got the same error message.
> >
> > I've tried several things and finally ltsp was running.
> > I'm not quite sure what exactly made the difference but it could be that
> > apt-get -t jessie-backports upgrade
> >
> > ... solved the problem.
> >
> > Now, when runningltsp-update-image --cleanup /
> > I get a nice image and (almost) everything is fine.
> >
> > However, is there a way to make an image including symlinks?
> > Some  parts of my home-directory (e.g. some virtualbox stuff) is located
> > in a separate partition which is mounted to /mnt/home2  and I use
> > symlinks to connect to this mount.
> >
> > Many thanks in advance.
> > Truth
>
> I've just realized that the home-directory can not be part of the image.
> However, I guess that I need to modify a config-file (how?) to solve my
> problem ...
>
> Truth
>
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp: No overlayfs or aufs support detected

2016-01-21 Thread Helmut Lichtenberg
Truth schrieb am 21.01.2016 12:05:
> I've just realized that the home-directory can not be part of the image.
> However, I guess that I need to modify a config-file (how?) to solve my 
> problem ...

What about automounting?

If you use Debian jessie there is systemd. Try an entry in /etc/fstab in the
image:

:/myhome  /myhome nfs vers=3,tcp,comment=systemd.automount 0 0

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp: No overlayfs or aufs support detected

2016-01-21 Thread Truth
On 21.01.2016 11:16, Truth wrote:
> On 21.01.2016 05:15, Vagrant Cascadian wrote:
>> On 2016-01-20, Truth wrote:
>>> While everything was fine with my test-setup using Debian 8.2 (i386,
>>> linux-3.16) ...
>>> I tried to install the same ltsp-pnp server on Debian 8.2 (using
>>> linux-4.3 from the backports).
>> You'll need the backported LTSP packages from jessie-backports, and may
>> as well get updated LDM packages while you're at it.
>>
>>
>>> I tried to create an image with the command
>>>  ltsp-update-image --cleanup /
>>>
>>> and get the following error message:
>>>  modprobe: FATAL: Module overlayfs not found.
>>>  modprobe: FATAL: Module aufs not found.
>>>  No overlayfs or aufs support detected
>>>
>>> (I did not have this problem with linux-3.16.)
>>>
>>> Does someone has an idea what's wrong?
>> The issue is that 4.x kernels in jessie-backports don't have aufs
>> support, and the version of LTSP you are using doesn't have support for
>> the overlay fs included in the 4.x kernels (not to be confused with
>> overlayfs, which was shipped with ubuntu, but behaved somewhat
>> differently).
>>
>> The newer versions of LTSP fix this issue, although required switching
>> to NBD rather than NFS, as overlay fs is incompatible:
>>
>> https://bugs.debian.org/786925
>>
>>
>> live well,
>> vagrant
> Thanks for your input.
> I've installed  ltsp-server-standalone  and  ltsp-client  from the
> backports (ldm was already the latest version).
> Nevertheless, on a first try I've got the same error message.
>
> I've tried several things and finally ltsp was running.
> I'm not quite sure what exactly made the difference but it could be that
> apt-get -t jessie-backports upgrade
>
> ... solved the problem.
>
> Now, when runningltsp-update-image --cleanup /
> I get a nice image and (almost) everything is fine.
>
> However, is there a way to make an image including symlinks?
> Some  parts of my home-directory (e.g. some virtualbox stuff) is located
> in a separate partition which is mounted to /mnt/home2  and I use
> symlinks to connect to this mount.
>
> Many thanks in advance.
> Truth

I've just realized that the home-directory can not be part of the image.
However, I guess that I need to modify a config-file (how?) to solve my 
problem ...

Truth

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp: No overlayfs or aufs support detected

2016-01-21 Thread Truth
On 21.01.2016 05:15, Vagrant Cascadian wrote:
> On 2016-01-20, Truth wrote:
>> While everything was fine with my test-setup using Debian 8.2 (i386,
>> linux-3.16) ...
>> I tried to install the same ltsp-pnp server on Debian 8.2 (using
>> linux-4.3 from the backports).
> You'll need the backported LTSP packages from jessie-backports, and may
> as well get updated LDM packages while you're at it.
>
>
>> I tried to create an image with the command
>> ltsp-update-image --cleanup /
>>
>> and get the following error message:
>> modprobe: FATAL: Module overlayfs not found.
>> modprobe: FATAL: Module aufs not found.
>> No overlayfs or aufs support detected
>>
>> (I did not have this problem with linux-3.16.)
>>
>> Does someone has an idea what's wrong?
> The issue is that 4.x kernels in jessie-backports don't have aufs
> support, and the version of LTSP you are using doesn't have support for
> the overlay fs included in the 4.x kernels (not to be confused with
> overlayfs, which was shipped with ubuntu, but behaved somewhat
> differently).
>
> The newer versions of LTSP fix this issue, although required switching
> to NBD rather than NFS, as overlay fs is incompatible:
>
>https://bugs.debian.org/786925
>
>
> live well,
>vagrant

Thanks for your input.
I've installed  ltsp-server-standalone  and  ltsp-client  from the 
backports (ldm was already the latest version).
Nevertheless, on a first try I've got the same error message.

I've tried several things and finally ltsp was running.
I'm not quite sure what exactly made the difference but it could be that
   apt-get -t jessie-backports upgrade

... solved the problem.

Now, when runningltsp-update-image --cleanup /
I get a nice image and (almost) everything is fine.

However, is there a way to make an image including symlinks?
Some  parts of my home-directory (e.g. some virtualbox stuff) is located 
in a separate partition which is mounted to /mnt/home2  and I use 
symlinks to connect to this mount.

Many thanks in advance.
Truth


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp: No overlayfs or aufs support detected

2016-01-20 Thread Vagrant Cascadian
On 2016-01-20, Truth wrote:
> While everything was fine with my test-setup using Debian 8.2 (i386, 
> linux-3.16) ...
> I tried to install the same ltsp-pnp server on Debian 8.2 (using 
> linux-4.3 from the backports).

You'll need the backported LTSP packages from jessie-backports, and may
as well get updated LDM packages while you're at it.


> I tried to create an image with the command
>ltsp-update-image --cleanup /
>
> and get the following error message:
>modprobe: FATAL: Module overlayfs not found.
>modprobe: FATAL: Module aufs not found.
>No overlayfs or aufs support detected
>
> (I did not have this problem with linux-3.16.)
>
> Does someone has an idea what's wrong?

The issue is that 4.x kernels in jessie-backports don't have aufs
support, and the version of LTSP you are using doesn't have support for
the overlay fs included in the 4.x kernels (not to be confused with
overlayfs, which was shipped with ubuntu, but behaved somewhat
differently).

The newer versions of LTSP fix this issue, although required switching
to NBD rather than NFS, as overlay fs is incompatible:

  https://bugs.debian.org/786925


live well,
  vagrant


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[Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp: No overlayfs or aufs support detected

2016-01-20 Thread Truth
Hi,

I'm back again with a new problem.

While everything was fine with my test-setup using Debian 8.2 (i386, 
linux-3.16) ...
I tried to install the same ltsp-pnp server on Debian 8.2 (using 
linux-4.3 from the backports).

After reconfig the initramfs with ...
   dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-4.3.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae

I tried to create an image with the command
   ltsp-update-image --cleanup /

and get the following error message:
   modprobe: FATAL: Module overlayfs not found.
   modprobe: FATAL: Module aufs not found.
   No overlayfs or aufs support detected

(I did not have this problem with linux-3.16.)

Does someone has an idea what's wrong?

Many thanks in advance,
Truth



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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP and pam_group.so behaviour in thin clients, fat clients and ltsp-localapps

2015-07-23 Thread Robert Mavrinac
My apologies.


Setting SUID bit for /usr/bin/dumpcap works in all cases.


Also, getcap fails on the fat client and the thin client console, but works on 
the application server itself. I'm still curious about setting capabilities on 
the fat or thin client.



From: Robert Mavrinac 
Sent: July 23, 2015 3:25 PM
To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP and pam_group.so behaviour in thin clients, 
fat clients and ltsp-localapps


I am currently setting up a new cluster of LTSP-PNP servers running Debian 8.


I have the appropriate settings for adding all authenticated users to various 
groups automatically using pam_group.so,  modelled after settings in the 
debian-edu-config package and documentation at 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication.


The group membership is correct for the user logged into a thin client, even at 
the console (Ctrl-Alt-F1).


Take wireshark, for example. It works fine on the thin client because the user 
is in the wireshark group, but I would like it to work on as an LTSP_LOCALAPP. 
If it is run as a localapp, it complains about permissions even though the user 
is in the wireshark group.


https://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/CapturePrivileges#Other_Linux_based_systems_or_other_installation_methods
 offers some suggestions:


1. Additional capabilities are suggested to get dumpcap to work, but this 
doesn't work for ltsp-localapps or fat clients.


setcap 'CAP_NET_RAW+eip CAP_NET_ADMIN+eip' /usr/bin/dumpcap


On the fat client getcap /usr/bin/dumpcap yields "Failed to get capabilities of 
file `/usr/bin/dumpcap' (Operation not supported)".


2. Setting SUID bit on for /usr/bin/dumpcap works for fat clients, but still 
doesn't fix the problem for wireshark as a localapp.


chmod u+s /usr/bin/dumpcap




Any ideas?

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[Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP and pam_group.so behaviour in thin clients, fat clients and ltsp-localapps

2015-07-23 Thread Robert Mavrinac
I am currently setting up a new cluster of LTSP-PNP servers running Debian 8.


I have the appropriate settings for adding all authenticated users to various 
groups automatically using pam_group.so,  modelled after settings in the 
debian-edu-config package and documentation at 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LDAPClientAuthentication.


The group membership is correct for the user logged into a thin client, even at 
the console (Ctrl-Alt-F1).


Take wireshark, for example. It works fine on the thin client because the user 
is in the wireshark group, but I would like it to work on as an LTSP_LOCALAPP. 
If it is run as a localapp, it complains about permissions even though the user 
is in the wireshark group.


https://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/CapturePrivileges#Other_Linux_based_systems_or_other_installation_methods
 offers some suggestions:


1. Additional capabilities are suggested to get dumpcap to work, but this 
doesn't work for ltsp-localapps or fat clients.


setcap 'CAP_NET_RAW+eip CAP_NET_ADMIN+eip' /usr/bin/dumpcap


On the fat client getcap /usr/bin/dumpcap yields "Failed to get capabilities of 
file `/usr/bin/dumpcap' (Operation not supported)".


2. Setting SUID bit on for /usr/bin/dumpcap works for fat clients, but still 
doesn't fix the problem for wireshark as a localapp.


chmod u+s /usr/bin/dumpcap




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[Ltsp-discuss] Ltsp-pnp desktop recommendation for Ubuntu 14.04

2015-05-01 Thread gordon
Hello,

I am attempting to implement an LTSP-pnp setup with Ubuntu 14.04.  Looking
for suggestions / help with desktop selection.

I wanted to use the Unity desktop because it is standard with the
distribution.  However, turns out the thin client performance makes it not
usable.  Although the fat client performance is good.  I've also
encountered some other strange issues like the desktop failing to load
except for the background.  I fixed that part but I cannot get the system
indicators on the top panel to show up.

If I ended up sticking with Unity, I would need to figure out how to
prevent it from auto configuring the client monitors.  Some of the clients
need specific xrandr commands set in the lts.conf and Unity desktop is
overriding them incorrectly on login.  Is it possible to make Unity respect
the xrandr commands set in lts.conf?

I think I have decided to try a different desktop.  I am currently looking
at MATE.  Is this a good choice with LTSP?  Are there any others I should
look at or any that would be a better fit taking the problems I mentioned
above into consideration?

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP and iTALC

2014-09-18 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
On 19/09/2014 09:26 πμ, Funke, Martin wrote:
> Hello,
>
> is there a special ltsp-pnp howto or just an apt-get install epoptes?
>

Just an: apt-get install epoptes
and: ltsp-update-image -c /


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP and iTALC

2014-09-18 Thread Funke, Martin
Hello,

is there a special ltsp-pnp howto or just an apt-get install epoptes?

Best regards

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: richard kweskin [mailto:rkwesk_l...@hellug.gr]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. September 2014 23:57
An: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
Betreff: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP and iTALC

On 2014-09-16 15:24, Emmanuel Le Normand wrote:
> Hello,
>
> -
>
>> DE: "Martin Funke" 
>> À: "LTSP (ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net)"
>> 
>> ENVOYÉ: Mardi 16 Septembre 2014 07:22:06
>> OBJET: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP and iTALC
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> im running xubuntu 12.04 LTSP-PNP. Did someone already tried to run
>> italc on the ltsp-pnp?
>>
>> Or do you run something else to watch and control the other clients?
>
> You can use Epoptes (http://www.epoptes.org/ [1]) it's like italc for
> LTSP
>
> Regards
>
> Manu
>
>>
>
>
>
> Links:
> --
> [1] http://www.epoptes.org/

Yes, Epoptes is a much updated project that has been developed to work very 
well with ltsp whereas italc still has many issues that make it less usable.

Richard

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP and iTALC

2014-09-18 Thread richard kweskin
On 2014-09-16 15:24, Emmanuel Le Normand wrote:
> Hello,
>
> -
>
>> DE: "Martin Funke" 
>> À: "LTSP (ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net)"
>> 
>> ENVOYÉ: Mardi 16 Septembre 2014 07:22:06
>> OBJET: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP and iTALC
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> im running xubuntu 12.04 LTSP-PNP. Did someone already tried to run
>> italc on the ltsp-pnp?
>>
>> Or do you run something else to watch and control the other clients?
>
> You can use Epoptes (http://www.epoptes.org/ [1]) it's like italc for
> LTSP
>
> Regards
>
> Manu
>
>>
>
>
>
> Links:
> --
> [1] http://www.epoptes.org/

Yes, Epoptes is a much updated project that has been developed to work 
very well with ltsp whereas italc still has many issues that make it 
less usable.

Richard

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP and iTALC

2014-09-16 Thread Emmanuel Le Normand
Hello, 

- Mail original -

> De: "Martin Funke" 
> À: "LTSP (ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net)"
> 
> Envoyé: Mardi 16 Septembre 2014 07:22:06
> Objet: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP and iTALC

> Hello everyone,

> im running xubuntu 12.04 LTSP-PNP. Did someone already tried to run italc on
> the ltsp-pnp?

> Or do you run something else to watch and control the other clients?

You can use Epoptes ( http://www.epoptes.org/ ) it's like italc for LTSP 

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[Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP and iTALC

2014-09-15 Thread Funke, Martin
Hello everyone,

im running xubuntu  12.04 LTSP-PNP. Did someone already tried to run italc on 
the ltsp-pnp?

Or do you run something else to watch and control the other clients?

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP fat client routing issue

2014-08-13 Thread Michael Pope
On 13/08/14 14:38, Vagrant Cascadian wrote:
> On 2014-08-12, Michael Pope wrote:
>> I've setup LTSP-PNP on a Xubuntu 14.04 system and I'm up to the last
>> issue, which is my fat client cannot access the internet. What I mean by
>> that is I cannot ping an external IP address on a fat client.
> ...
>> Here are the routing tables
>> LTSP Server routing table
>> Destination  Gteway  Genmask  Flags  Metric  Ref  Use  Iface
>> default  10.1.1.10.0.0.0  UG  000  eth0
>> 10.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0  U   000  eth0
>>
>> LTSP fat client routing table
>> Destination  Gteway  Genmask  Flags  Metric  Ref  Use  Iface
>> default  server0.0.0.0  UG  000  eth0
>> 10.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0  U   000  eth0
> 
> Your fat client is configured to route through the server, rather than
> your router, which is the default in dnsmasq if you don't specify the
> router.
> 
> So, you either need to set up routing on your LTSP server, or better,
> configure DHCP to hand out 10.1.1.1 as the gateway.
> 
> The dnsmasq man page reads:
> 
> --dhcp-option=[tag:,[tag:,]]...
>   Specify different or extra options to DHCP clients. By default,
>   dnsmasq sends some standard options to DHCP clients, the netmask and
>   broadcast address are set to the same as the host running dnsmasq, and
>   the DNS server and default route are set to the address of the machine
>   running dnsmasq.
> 
> So, I think you want in /etc/dnsmasq.d/*.conf:
> 
>   dhcp-option=3,10.1.1.1
> 
> (dhcp option 3 is gateway)
> 
> 
> live well,
>   vagrant
> 

Thank you vagrant for all your help, that did the trick. Now my whole
system is working nicely.

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP fat client routing issue

2014-08-12 Thread Vagrant Cascadian
On 2014-08-12, Michael Pope wrote:
> I've setup LTSP-PNP on a Xubuntu 14.04 system and I'm up to the last
> issue, which is my fat client cannot access the internet. What I mean by
> that is I cannot ping an external IP address on a fat client.
...
> Here are the routing tables
> LTSP Server routing table
> Destination  Gteway  Genmask  Flags  Metric  Ref  Use  Iface
> default  10.1.1.10.0.0.0  UG  000  eth0
> 10.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0  U   000  eth0
>
> LTSP fat client routing table
> Destination  Gteway  Genmask  Flags  Metric  Ref  Use  Iface
> default  server0.0.0.0  UG  000  eth0
> 10.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0  U   000  eth0

Your fat client is configured to route through the server, rather than
your router, which is the default in dnsmasq if you don't specify the
router.

So, you either need to set up routing on your LTSP server, or better,
configure DHCP to hand out 10.1.1.1 as the gateway.

The dnsmasq man page reads:

--dhcp-option=[tag:,[tag:,]]...
  Specify different or extra options to DHCP clients. By default,
  dnsmasq sends some standard options to DHCP clients, the netmask and
  broadcast address are set to the same as the host running dnsmasq, and
  the DNS server and default route are set to the address of the machine
  running dnsmasq.

So, I think you want in /etc/dnsmasq.d/*.conf:

  dhcp-option=3,10.1.1.1

(dhcp option 3 is gateway)


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP fat client routing issue

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Pope

On Wed 13 Aug 2014 13:56:21 EST, Michael Pope wrote:
> I've setup LTSP-PNP on a Xubuntu 14.04 system and I'm up to the last
> issue, which is my fat client cannot access the internet. What I mean by
> that is I cannot ping an external IP address on a fat client.
>
> I'm using dnsmasq as my DNS, DHCP & TFTP server on the LTSP machine
> which has one network cable and is on IP 10.1.1.11. I have a ADSL2+
> modem/router on 10.1.1.1 (with it's DHCP disabled) on the network as well.
>
> If I boot a machine on the network which is not the LTSP server or fat
> client, that machine gets it's DHCP info from the LTSP server and can
> successfully ping an external address and browse the internet.
>
> Here are my configuration files
> /etc/dnsmasq.d/ltsp-server-dnsmasq.conf http://pastie.org/9468560
> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf file: http://pastie.org/9468562
>
> Tests
> I can do a 'dig debian.org' on both the server & the fat client.
>
> I can 'ping debian.org' on the server, but not the fat client.
>
> If I do a 'traceroute -n 8.8.8.8' on my ltsp server it works, but on the
> fat client it does not work.
>
> Here are the routing tables
> LTSP Server routing table
> Destination  Gteway  Genmask  Flags  Metric  Ref  Use  Iface
> default  10.1.1.10.0.0.0  UG  000  eth0
> 10.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0  U   000  eth0
>
> LTSP fat client routing table
> Destination  Gteway  Genmask  Flags  Metric  Ref  Use  Iface
> default  server0.0.0.0  UG  000  eth0
> 10.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0  U   000  eth0
>

I just changed the DNS settings to 127.0.0.1 8.8.8.8 208.67.222.222 and 
back again and now the 'dig debian.org' command times out on the fat 
client.



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[Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP fat client routing issue

2014-08-12 Thread Michael Pope
I've setup LTSP-PNP on a Xubuntu 14.04 system and I'm up to the last
issue, which is my fat client cannot access the internet. What I mean by
that is I cannot ping an external IP address on a fat client.

I'm using dnsmasq as my DNS, DHCP & TFTP server on the LTSP machine
which has one network cable and is on IP 10.1.1.11. I have a ADSL2+
modem/router on 10.1.1.1 (with it's DHCP disabled) on the network as well.

If I boot a machine on the network which is not the LTSP server or fat
client, that machine gets it's DHCP info from the LTSP server and can
successfully ping an external address and browse the internet.

Here are my configuration files
/etc/dnsmasq.d/ltsp-server-dnsmasq.conf http://pastie.org/9468560
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf file: http://pastie.org/9468562

Tests
I can do a 'dig debian.org' on both the server & the fat client.

I can 'ping debian.org' on the server, but not the fat client.

If I do a 'traceroute -n 8.8.8.8' on my ltsp server it works, but on the
fat client it does not work.

Here are the routing tables
LTSP Server routing table
Destination  Gteway  Genmask  Flags  Metric  Ref  Use  Iface
default  10.1.1.10.0.0.0  UG  000  eth0
10.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0  U   000  eth0

LTSP fat client routing table
Destination  Gteway  Genmask  Flags  Metric  Ref  Use  Iface
default  server0.0.0.0  UG  000  eth0
10.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0  U   000  eth0



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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP under Xubuntu 14.04

2014-08-04 Thread Vagrant Cascadian
On 2014-08-03, rkwesk_ltsp wrote:
> I am not sure of this and so did not speak to this previously. However, 
> I believe that in order to populate the pxe boot with a kernel the 
> script
>
>   /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels

This shouldn't be necessary using "ltsp-update-image --cleanup /" or
"ltsp-update-image -c /", as it is called from
/usr/share/ltsp/cleanup.d/50-update-kernels.


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[Ltsp-discuss] Ltsp-pnp 14.04 Unity desktop.

2014-08-04 Thread Takala Tuomas
Hello


I have installed ltsp-pbp Ubuntu 14.04 whit Unity desktop. I Have one problem. 
At the top right of the screen does not show the any buttons. It's empty. 
For example, volume button would be the most important.

Here is picture also.
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP under Xubuntu 14.04

2014-08-03 Thread rkwesk_ltsp
On 2014-08-02 05:41, michael pope wrote:
> On Fri 01 Aug 2014 19:08:35 EST, rkwesk_ltsp wrote:
>> On 2014-08-01 02:48, Michael Pope wrote:
>>> I've got a fresh install of Xubuntu 14.04 64bit and I would like to
>>> configure it to be a LTSP-PNP server,
>>
>> snip
>>
>>> I'm used to working with
>>> LTSP thin clients and have never done a LTSP-PNP install, how do I
>>> get
>>> the vmlinuz file in there?
>>>
>>> from
>>> Michael
>>

snip

> Richard,
>
> All my clients are 64bit, I take your point though I should just use
> the 32bit version it's not like I'm going to put over 64GB Memory in 
> my
> server.

In that case use whichever suits you, of course.

> I found the problem was a bug in ltsp-update-image which doesn't copy
> my boot files over as they are in a different partition. I did a 
> dirty
> hack just to prove that this was the problem
>
> I first mounted my root partition which is in the LVM
> : mount /dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-root /mnt
>
> Copied over my boot files to that drive and unmounted it
> : cp /boot/* /mnt/boot
> : umount /mnt
>
> Update the image
> : ltsp-update-image -c /
>
> Now my thin clients boot. I'll file a bug for this.
>
> from
> Michael

Michael

I am not sure of this and so did not speak to this previously. However, 
I believe that in order to populate the pxe boot with a kernel the 
script

  /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels

needs to be invoked.

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP under Xubuntu 14.04

2014-08-01 Thread michael pope

On Fri 01 Aug 2014 19:08:35 EST, rkwesk_ltsp wrote:
> On 2014-08-01 02:48, Michael Pope wrote:
>> I've got a fresh install of Xubuntu 14.04 64bit and I would like to
>> configure it to be a LTSP-PNP server,
>
> snip
>
>> I'm used to working with
>> LTSP thin clients and have never done a LTSP-PNP install, how do I
>> get
>> the vmlinuz file in there?
>>
>> from
>> Michael
>
> Michael.
>
> If your clients cannot run 64bit (or you don't wish them to) be aware
> that a major difference with LTSP-PNP is that there is no seperate
> chroot so that clients run a different arch from the server.
>
> Many of us running LTSP-PNP run the 32 bit version on our server just
> so that the clients may also.
>
> Richard

Richard,

All my clients are 64bit, I take your point though I should just use 
the 32bit version it's not like I'm going to put over 64GB Memory in my 
server.

I found the problem was a bug in ltsp-update-image which doesn't copy 
my boot files over as they are in a different partition. I did a dirty 
hack just to prove that this was the problem

I first mounted my root partition which is in the LVM
: mount /dev/mapper/xubuntu--vg-root /mnt

Copied over my boot files to that drive and unmounted it
: cp /boot/* /mnt/boot
: umount /mnt

Update the image
: ltsp-update-image -c /

Now my thin clients boot. I'll file a bug for this.

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP under Xubuntu 14.04

2014-08-01 Thread rkwesk_ltsp
On 2014-08-01 02:48, Michael Pope wrote:
> I've got a fresh install of Xubuntu 14.04 64bit and I would like to
> configure it to be a LTSP-PNP server,

snip

> I'm used to working with
> LTSP thin clients and have never done a LTSP-PNP install, how do I 
> get
> the vmlinuz file in there?
>
> from
> Michael

Michael.

If your clients cannot run 64bit (or you don't wish them to) be aware 
that a major difference with LTSP-PNP is that there is no seperate 
chroot so that clients run a different arch from the server.

Many of us running LTSP-PNP run the 32 bit version on our server just 
so that the clients may also.

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[Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP under Xubuntu 14.04

2014-07-31 Thread Michael Pope
I've got a fresh install of Xubuntu 14.04 64bit and I would like to 
configure it to be a LTSP-PNP server, I've following the tutorial from 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp doing the 
following commands

Ran the following to install LTSP-PNP on Xubuntu 14.04
: sudo -i
: apt-get --yes install dnsmasq ltsp-server-standalone ltsp-client 
ldm-ubuntu-theme
: ltsp-config dnsmasq
: echo 'IPAPPEND=3' >> /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
: /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels

Build image
: ltsp-update-image --cleanup /

Generate LTS config
: ltsp-config lts.conf

Update kernels
: ltsp-update-kernels

I've got a separate DHCP server and I configured it like so
# Internal subnet
subnet 10.1.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
 allow booting;
 allow bootp;
 range 10.1.1.100 10.1.1.200;
 option domain-name-servers 10.1.1.1;
 option domain-name "lan";
 option routers 10.1.1.1;
 option broadcast-address 10.1.1.255;
 default-lease-time 72000;
 max-lease-time 72000;
}

ddns-update-style none;

# (PXE Boot lines)
authoritative;
option domain-name-servers 10.1.1.1;
option broadcast-address 10.1.1.255;
option routers 10.1.1.1;
option root-path "/opt/ltsp/amd64";
next-server 10.1.1.150;

if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {
 filename "/ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.0";
} else {
 filename "/ltsp/amd64/nbi.img";
}


When I boot up my thin client, it finds the DHCP server which redirects 
successfully to the PXE server then I get the error
Could not find kernel image: vmlinuz

If I look into the var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64 directory I have the 
following files
gpxelinux.0  lts.conf  pxelinux.0  pxelinux.cfg

So it looks like I'm missing a few files here. I'm used to working with 
LTSP thin clients and have never done a LTSP-PNP install, how do I get 
the vmlinuz file in there?

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[Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP under Xubuntu 14.04

2014-07-31 Thread Michael Pope
I've got a fresh install of Xubuntu 14.04 64bit and I would like to 
configure it to be a LTSP-PNP server, I've following the tutorial from 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp doing the 
following commands

Ran the following to install LTSP-PNP on Xubuntu 14.04
: sudo -i
: apt-get --yes install dnsmasq ltsp-server-standalone ltsp-client 
ldm-ubuntu-theme
: ltsp-config dnsmasq
: echo 'IPAPPEND=3' >> /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
: /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels

Build image
: ltsp-update-image --cleanup /

Generate LTS config
: ltsp-config lts.conf

Update kernels
: ltsp-update-kernels

I've got a separate DHCP server and I configured it like so
# Internal subnet
subnet 10.1.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
 allow booting;
 allow bootp;
 range 10.1.1.100 10.1.1.200;
 option domain-name-servers 10.1.1.1;
 option domain-name "lan";
 option routers 10.1.1.1;
 option broadcast-address 10.1.1.255;
 default-lease-time 72000;
 max-lease-time 72000;
}

ddns-update-style none;

# (PXE Boot lines)
authoritative;
option domain-name-servers 10.1.1.1;
option broadcast-address 10.1.1.255;
option routers 10.1.1.1;
option root-path "/opt/ltsp/amd64";
next-server 10.1.1.150;

if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {
 filename "/ltsp/amd64/pxelinux.0";
} else {
 filename "/ltsp/amd64/nbi.img";
}


When I boot up my thin client, it finds the DHCP server which redirects 
successfully to the PXE server then I get the error
Could not find kernel image: vmlinuz

If I look into the var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64 directory I have the 
following files
gpxelinux.0  lts.conf  pxelinux.0  pxelinux.cfg

So it looks like I'm missing a few files here. I'm used to working with 
LTSP thin clients and have never done a LTSP-PNP install, how do I get 
the vmlinuz file in there?

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP What directories get mounted ?

2013-06-20 Thread Peter D Knight
Hello Again :)
Just started playing again.
I have 3 setups on 3 different disks. All under 12.04
The one that works has a default in pxelinux.cfg that only mentions nbd in
any of the lines.
The  others have entirely different instructions. Both the failing systems
allow the client to get as far as initramfs, which says to me nbd-server is
not exporting the correct file system .
If I run /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels, the default file does not change.
How does one recreate the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386  directory from
scratch ?
If I move ltsp to ltsp.org, update-kernels does not recreate anything.
 Peter
Later on this morning.
removed /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
and re-ran ltsp-update-image ---cleanup /
This time it regenerated the ltsp directory and looks good.
Will have to test
I have answered my own question.!!
Peter


On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:12 AM,  wrote:

> > I've just started with ltsp-pnp on 12.04 Ubuntu. If I create a directory
> > say /usr/local/music on the server it does not show up on the client.
> > Can someone tell me what I am missing ?
> > Peter
>
> I think this: "If you need to, you can exclude some of your server files
> or directories from the generated image from
> /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.excludes."
>
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp#Generating_the_client_image
>
> Check that 'usr/*' is not excluded. And remember to make image every time
> you change something (add/remove apps, files etc) in server side, ltsp-pnp
> is little bit different that way.
>
> I also use nfs for /home. Maybe you can use nfs for media files, too?
>
> ltsp@Ltsp-pnp:~$ cat /etc/exports
> #
> /home   *(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
>
> ltsp@Ltsp-pnp:~$ cat fstab.txt
> # Dynamically generated by LTSP.
> #
> #
> proc/proc   procnodev,noexec,nosuid 0   0
> 192.168.100.10:/home /home nfs defaults0   0
>
> Best Regards Asmo Koskinen
>
>
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP What directories get mounted ?

2013-06-14 Thread Peter D Knight
Many thanks Asmo.
I haven't checked the excludes yet , but it makes sense to say I need to
run an update after adding extra directories. Home takes care of itself.
Peter


On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:12 AM,  wrote:

> > I've just started with ltsp-pnp on 12.04 Ubuntu. If I create a directory
> > say /usr/local/music on the server it does not show up on the client.
> > Can someone tell me what I am missing ?
> > Peter
>
> I think this: "If you need to, you can exclude some of your server files
> or directories from the generated image from
> /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.excludes."
>
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp#Generating_the_client_image
>
> Check that 'usr/*' is not excluded. And remember to make image every time
> you change something (add/remove apps, files etc) in server side, ltsp-pnp
> is little bit different that way.
>
> I also use nfs for /home. Maybe you can use nfs for media files, too?
>
> ltsp@Ltsp-pnp:~$ cat /etc/exports
> #
> /home   *(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
>
> ltsp@Ltsp-pnp:~$ cat fstab.txt
> # Dynamically generated by LTSP.
> #
> #
> proc/proc   procnodev,noexec,nosuid 0   0
> 192.168.100.10:/home /home nfs defaults0   0
>
> Best Regards Asmo Koskinen
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP What directories get mounted ?

2013-06-14 Thread asmo . koskinen
> I've just started with ltsp-pnp on 12.04 Ubuntu. If I create a directory
> say /usr/local/music on the server it does not show up on the client.
> Can someone tell me what I am missing ?
> Peter

I think this: "If you need to, you can exclude some of your server files
or directories from the generated image from
/etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.excludes."

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp#Generating_the_client_image

Check that 'usr/*' is not excluded. And remember to make image every time
you change something (add/remove apps, files etc) in server side, ltsp-pnp
is little bit different that way.

I also use nfs for /home. Maybe you can use nfs for media files, too?

ltsp@Ltsp-pnp:~$ cat /etc/exports
#
/home   *(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)

ltsp@Ltsp-pnp:~$ cat fstab.txt
# Dynamically generated by LTSP.
#
#
proc/proc   procnodev,noexec,nosuid 0   0
192.168.100.10:/home /home nfs defaults0   0

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[Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP What directories get mounted ?

2013-06-14 Thread Peter D Knight
I've just started with ltsp-pnp on 12.04 Ubuntu. If I create a directory
say /usr/local/music on the server it does not show up on the client.
Can someone tell me what I am missing ?
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP on Lubuntu: Chromium ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED

2012-11-13 Thread asmo . koskinen

> In Stéphane Graber's article at his web site about DNS in Ubuntu 12.04
> (http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/) he says, "On a
> desktop install, your DNS server is going to be '127.0.0.1' which points
> to a NetworkManager-managed dnsmasq server."

I think this one is good to read, too.

http://askubuntu.com/questions/130452/how-do-i-add-a-dns-server-via-resolv-conf

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP on Lubuntu: Chromium ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED

2012-11-12 Thread John Hupp


On 11/12/2012 11:06 AM, John Hupp wrote:


On 11/11/2012 11:01 PM, Alkis Georgopoulos wrote:

 11/11/2012 11:29 ??, ?/? John Hupp ??:

Setting the nameservers via tail rather than base worked -- for both
LTSP server and client.

Thanks!


My notes on installing LTSP-PNP on Lubuntu 12.10, using your 
instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp


*sudo -i**
**add-apt-repository --yes ppa:ts.sch.gr**
**apt-get update*

/Update fails for ts.sch.gr -- so it uses the existing index/

*apt-get --yes install dnsmasq ltsp-server-standalone ltsp-client 
ldm-ubuntu-theme*


/For my Lub//untu installation I substituted for the last package:
//apt-get --yes install dnsmasq ltsp-server-standalone ltsp-client 
ldm-lubuntu-theme//

/
/The installations include an important//text dialog//that says 
something like "//Disconnect all NBD devices at stop?//"  I chose No./


*ltsp-config dnsmasq**
**echo 'IPAPPEND=3' >> /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf**
**/usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels**
**
**ltsp-update-image --cleanup /**
**
**ltsp-config lts.conf**
*
(/Initial installation complete/.)



I tried to rely on network manager for the network interface 
configuration, but the client would not boot.  Failure messages included:

Boot Server IP: 192.168.1.102
PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout
TFTP ... (blinking cursor)

So I resorted to a variant of what worked for standard LTSP 5 with 
that kind of problem, except that I kept DHCP configuration instead of 
going to static:


gksudo leafpad /etc/network/interfaces
Add:
auto eth1
iface eth1 inet dhcp
This resulted in a clean client boot.

-

However, though Chromium on the server worked after the initial 
Lubuntu installation, something in Lubuntu Software Updates, in the 
LTSP installation, or in the use of /etc/network/interfaces resulting 
in DNS-related breakage, resulting in the error (on server and client):/

/
*Chromium Cannot Display Page**
**
**Error 137 (net::ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED): Unknown error.**

*TROUBLESHOOTING:*
*
I set DNS_SERVER="8.8.8.8 208.67.222.222" in lts.conf, which did not 
resolve this.


Then I edited the empty /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base file to add
nameserver 8.8.8.8
nameserver 208.67.222.222

Still no joy.

Then I created /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail file and added:
nameserver 8.8.8.8
nameserver 208.67.222.222

This fixed the problem on the server and client.

I removed DNS_SERVER="8.8.8.8 208.67.222.222" from lts.conf, and DNS 
still worked properly.


--

I don't see anything in my case that warrants a write-up in 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/StaticIP, since though I 
ended up not using network manager for the interface configuration, I 
did not resort to static IP.


It's not clear to me what triggered the DNS problem, but in lieu of 
better information I suggest another paragraph in the "DNS Issues" 
section.


My other notes above may suggest some other additions to the page.

*[**!! And thanks again to you and the rest of the Greek team for 
crafting the code and documentation for LTSP-PNP.  It feels just as 
fast as standard LTSP5, and it makes maintaining the image easy enough 
for end-users who don't have administrator skills. **!!]*



More light dawns:

In Stéphane Graber's article at his web site about DNS in Ubuntu 12.04 
(http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/) he says, "On a 
desktop install, your DNS server is going to be '127.0.0.1' which points 
to a NetworkManager-managed dnsmasq server."


So I now conclude that my DNS problem arose when -- to solve the LTSP 
client boot error -- I reverted to /etc/network/interfaces to manage the 
network interface configuration instead of allowing NetworkManager to do so.


Now your earlier words about whether this was a problem that "affects 
all Ubuntu users that don't use network-manager" make sense to me.


I would be happy to allow Network-Manager to configure the network 
interface if there were a reasonable way of resolving the timing problem 
(or whatever it is) that it introduces in the boot process which results 
in the client boot error I experienced.
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP on Lubuntu: Chromium ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED

2012-11-12 Thread John Hupp


On 11/11/2012 11:01 PM, Alkis Georgopoulos wrote:

 11/11/2012 11:29 ??, ?/? John Hupp ??:

Setting the nameservers via tail rather than base worked -- for both
LTSP server and client.

Thanks!


My notes on installing LTSP-PNP on Lubuntu 12.10, using your 
instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp


*sudo -i**
**add-apt-repository --yes ppa:ts.sch.gr**
**apt-get update*

/Update fails for ts.sch.gr -- so it uses the existing index/

*apt-get --yes install dnsmasq ltsp-server-standalone ltsp-client 
ldm-ubuntu-theme*


/For my Lub//untu installation I substituted for the last package:
//apt-get --yes install dnsmasq ltsp-server-standalone ltsp-client 
ldm-lubuntu-theme//

/
/The installations include an important//text dialog//that says 
something like "//Disconnect all NBD devices at stop?//"  I chose No./


*ltsp-config dnsmasq**
**echo 'IPAPPEND=3' >> /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf**
**/usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels**
**
**ltsp-update-image --cleanup /**
**
**ltsp-config lts.conf**
*
(/Initial installation complete/.)



I tried to rely on network manager for the network interface 
configuration, but the client would not boot.  Failure messages included:

Boot Server IP: 192.168.1.102
PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout
TFTP ... (blinking cursor)

So I resorted to a variant of what worked for standard LTSP 5 with that 
kind of problem, except that I kept DHCP configuration instead of going 
to static:


gksudo leafpad /etc/network/interfaces
Add:
auto eth1
iface eth1 inet dhcp
This resulted in a clean client boot.

-

However, though Chromium on the server worked after the initial Lubuntu 
installation, something in Lubuntu Software Updates, in the LTSP 
installation, or in the use of /etc/network/interfaces resulting in 
DNS-related breakage, resulting in the error (on server and client):/

/
*Chromium Cannot Display Page**
**
**Error 137 (net::ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED): Unknown error.**

*TROUBLESHOOTING:*
*
I set DNS_SERVER="8.8.8.8 208.67.222.222" in lts.conf, which did not 
resolve this.


Then I edited the empty /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base file to add
nameserver 8.8.8.8
nameserver 208.67.222.222

Still no joy.

Then I created /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail file and added:
nameserver 8.8.8.8
nameserver 208.67.222.222

This fixed the problem on the server and client.

I removed DNS_SERVER="8.8.8.8 208.67.222.222" from lts.conf, and DNS 
still worked properly.


--

I don't see anything in my case that warrants a write-up in 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/StaticIP, since though I 
ended up not using network manager for the interface configuration, I 
did not resort to static IP.


It's not clear to me what triggered the DNS problem, but in lieu of 
better information I suggest another paragraph in the "DNS Issues" section.


My other notes above may suggest some other additions to the page.

*[**!! And thanks again to you and the rest of the Greek team for 
crafting the code and documentation for LTSP-PNP.  It feels just as fast 
as standard LTSP5, and it makes maintaining the image easy enough for 
end-users who don't have administrator skills. **!!]*
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP on Lubuntu: Chromium ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED

2012-11-12 Thread asmo . koskinen

> Hi guys, so, is this problem related to ltsp-pnp at all, should it be
> written in its installation page, or it affects all Ubuntu users that
> don't use network-manager and it should be written in
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/StaticIP ?

I think (I use this setup in laptop, too) it should go the StaticIP page,
then linked from LTSP-PNP page.

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP on Lubuntu: Chromium ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED

2012-11-11 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
Στις 11/11/2012 11:29 μμ, ο/η John Hupp έγραψε:
> Setting the nameservers via tail rather than base worked -- for both
> LTSP server and client.
> 
> Thanks!


Hi guys, so, is this problem related to ltsp-pnp at all, should it be
written in its installation page, or it affects all Ubuntu users that
don't use network-manager and it should be written in
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/StaticIP ?


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP on Lubuntu: Chromium ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED

2012-11-11 Thread John Hupp
Setting the nameservers via tail rather than base worked -- for both 
LTSP server and client.


Thanks!

On 11/11/2012 3:31 PM, asmo.koski...@arkki.info wrote:

This works for LTSP-PNP. I use Lubuntu.

$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
# Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by
resolvconf(8)
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
nameserver 127.0.0.1
nameserver 8.8.4.4
nameserver 8.8.8.8

$ ls /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/
base  head  original  tail

$ cat /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail
nameserver 8.8.4.4
nameserver 8.8.8.8

My base file is empty.

$ ls -al /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 syys  12 12:42 /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base

After you have created tail file remember start service resolconf:

$ sudo service resolvconf restart

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP on Lubuntu: Chromium ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED

2012-11-11 Thread asmo . koskinen

This works for LTSP-PNP. I use Lubuntu.

$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
# Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by
resolvconf(8)
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
nameserver 127.0.0.1
nameserver 8.8.4.4
nameserver 8.8.8.8

$ ls /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/
base  head  original  tail

$ cat /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail
nameserver 8.8.4.4
nameserver 8.8.8.8

My base file is empty.

$ ls -al /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 syys  12 12:42 /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base

After you have created tail file remember start service resolconf:

$ sudo service resolvconf restart

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP on Lubuntu: Chromium ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED

2012-11-11 Thread John Hupp

You're right!

This is some sort of general networking problem.  The web browser had 
worked on the LTSP server after the initial Lubuntu installation, but 
now it doesn't, generating the same error as on the client.


Ping does work.

Working back towards the state the LTSP server was in when the browser 
worked, I removed the nameserver entries in 
/etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base, then the entries in 
/etc/network/interfaces.  (I also tried setting up eth1 as static.)  I 
restarted the router.


None of that solved it.  So that leaves perhaps the Lubuntu updates 
(can't remember if I tested the browser before or after those) and the 
LTSP setup as possible culprits.


Could it be that dnsmasq trips over the native/initial provision for DNS 
in Lubuntu?


On 11/10/2012 8:39 PM, Philip Loewen wrote:

Is Chromium the only thin-client application making trouble?
If you open a terminal window on the thin-client (not the
server), do you get any response from "ping 8.8.8.8"? If not,
then the problem is a general networking issue and the following
link may be of interest:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT

Good luck!

On 11/10/2012 02:13 PM, John Hupp wrote:

I should perhaps add that this is a thin client.

Also that I configured the single-NIC interface on the server with
/etc/network/interfaces:
auto eth1
  iface eth1 inet dhcp
I did this after the default DHCP setup with network manager resulted in
a TFTP timeout in attempting to boot the client.

On 11/10/2012 3:03 PM, John Hupp wrote:

Following Alkis G's LTSP-PNP setup at Help.Ubuntu.com, I got to a
working client-server quickly enough.  (More on that later.)

But on the client, Chromium fails to display pages with Error 137
(net::ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED): Unknown error.

I have set DNS_SERVER="8.8.8.8 208.67.222.222" in lts.conf, which
didnot resolve this.  Then edited the empty
/etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base file to add

nameserver 8.8.8.8
nameserver 208.67.222.222

That did not work either.

Does anyone know how to fix this?


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP on Lubuntu: Chromium ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED

2012-11-10 Thread Philip Loewen
Is Chromium the only thin-client application making trouble?
If you open a terminal window on the thin-client (not the
server), do you get any response from "ping 8.8.8.8"? If not,
then the problem is a general networking issue and the following
link may be of interest:
   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ThinClientHowtoNAT

Good luck!

On 11/10/2012 02:13 PM, John Hupp wrote:
> I should perhaps add that this is a thin client.
>
> Also that I configured the single-NIC interface on the server with
> /etc/network/interfaces:
> auto eth1
>  iface eth1 inet dhcp
> I did this after the default DHCP setup with network manager resulted in
> a TFTP timeout in attempting to boot the client.
>
> On 11/10/2012 3:03 PM, John Hupp wrote:
>> Following Alkis G's LTSP-PNP setup at Help.Ubuntu.com, I got to a
>> working client-server quickly enough.  (More on that later.)
>>
>> But on the client, Chromium fails to display pages with Error 137
>> (net::ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED): Unknown error.
>>
>> I have set DNS_SERVER="8.8.8.8 208.67.222.222" in lts.conf, which
>> didnot resolve this.  Then edited the empty
>> /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base file to add
>>
>> nameserver 8.8.8.8
>> nameserver 208.67.222.222
>>
>> That did not work either.
>>
>> Does anyone know how to fix this?


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP on Lubuntu: Chromium ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED

2012-11-10 Thread John Hupp

I should perhaps add that this is a thin client.

Also that I configured the single-NIC interface on the server with 
/etc/network/interfaces:

auto eth1
iface eth1 inet dhcp
I did this after the default DHCP setup with network manager resulted in 
a TFTP timeout in attempting to boot the client.


On 11/10/2012 3:03 PM, John Hupp wrote:
Following Alkis G's LTSP-PNP setup at Help.Ubuntu.com, I got to a 
working client-server quickly enough.  (More on that later.)


But on the client, Chromium fails to display pages with Error 137 
(net::ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED): Unknown error.


I have set DNS_SERVER="8.8.8.8 208.67.222.222" in lts.conf, which 
didnot resolve this.  Then edited the empty 
/etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base file to add


nameserver 8.8.8.8
nameserver 208.67.222.222

That did not work either.

Does anyone know how to fix this?



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[Ltsp-discuss] LTSP-PNP on Lubuntu: Chromium ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED

2012-11-10 Thread John Hupp
Following Alkis G's LTSP-PNP setup at Help.Ubuntu.com, I got to a 
working client-server quickly enough.  (More on that later.)


But on the client, Chromium fails to display pages with Error 137 
(net::ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED): Unknown error.


I have set DNS_SERVER="8.8.8.8 208.67.222.222" in lts.conf, which didnot 
resolve this. Then edited the empty /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base 
file to add


nameserver 8.8.8.8
nameserver 208.67.222.222

That did not work either.

Does anyone know how to fix this?
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp/fat client and opendns

2012-09-13 Thread asmo . koskinen
> Hi,
>
> I use Lubuntu with ltsp-pnp/fat client:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
>
> What is correct way to force ltsp-pnp/fat client use opendns' nameserves
> what ever adsl/router is offering for nameserving? Server side this is ok
> with opendns, but fat client leaks by router some how. Here are files from
> both server and fat client.
>
> This is rehearsal for reality; I do not want and can mess with adsl/router
> and I do not want any kind of filter server between ltsp server and
> adsl/router. Opendns' filtering for xxx is good enough.

Well, this way it seems to work. I ust added DNS_NAMESERVER=127.0.0.1 to
the lts.conf.

FAT CLIENT

ltsp001@ltsp001:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
# Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by
resolvconf(8)
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
nameserver 127.0.0.1
nameserver 208.67.222.222
nameserver 208.67.220.220
ltsp001@ltsp001:~$

ltsp001@ltsp001:~$ nslookup ltsp.org
Server: 208.67.222.222
Address:208.67.222.222#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:   ltsp.org
Address: 75.98.171.129

ltsp001@ltsp001:~$

ltsp001@ltsp001:~$ cat /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
[Default]
SCREEN_02=shell
SCREEN_07=ldm
#
RM_SYSTEM_SERVICES="dnsmasq nbd-server nfs-kernel-server ssh whoopsie"
RM_THIN_SYSTEM_SERVICES="binfmt-support openbsd-inetd qemu-kvm virtualbox
winbind"
#
USE_LOCAL_SWAP=True
DNS_SERVER=127.0.0.1
#
X_BLANKING=0
X_NUMLOCK=False
XKBLAYOUT="fi"
#
LDM_DIRECTX=True
LDM_AUTOLOGIN=True
#
[OLD_MONITOR]
X_HORZSYNC=30.0-88.0
X_VERTREFRESH=50.0-88.0
#
[00:16:d4:19:28:1e]
HOSTNAME=ltsp001
LDM_USERNAME=ltsp001
LDM_PASSWORD=ltsp001
ltsp001@ltsp001:~$

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[Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp/fat client and opendns

2012-09-13 Thread asmo . koskinen
Hi,

I use Lubuntu with ltsp-pnp/fat client:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp

What is correct way to force ltsp-pnp/fat client use opendns' nameserves
what ever adsl/router is offering for nameserving? Server side this is ok
with opendns, but fat client leaks by router some how. Here are files from
both server and fat client.

This is rehearsal for reality; I do not want and can mess with adsl/router
and I do not want any kind of filter server between ltsp server and
adsl/router. Opendns' filtering for xxx is good enough.

SERVER

ltsp@Ltsp-pnp:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
# Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by
resolvconf(8)
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
nameserver 127.0.0.1
nameserver 208.67.222.222
nameserver 208.67.220.220
ltsp@Ltsp-pnp:~$

ltsp@Ltsp-pnp:~$ nslookup ltsp.org
Server: 208.67.222.222
Address:208.67.222.222#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:   ltsp.org
Address: 75.98.171.129

ltsp@Ltsp-pnp:~$

FAT CLIENT

ltsp001@ltsp001:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
# Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by
resolvconf(8)
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
nameserver 192.168.100.1
nameserver 208.67.222.222
nameserver 208.67.220.220
ltsp001@ltsp001:~$

ltsp001@ltsp001:~$ nslookup ltsp.org
Server: 192.168.100.1
Address:192.168.100.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:   ltsp.org
Address: 75.98.171.129

ltsp001@ltsp001:~$

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp i386 xfreerdp

2012-06-11 Thread John Gallias
I cannot move my mouse over xterm window: it accepts no input from my input 
devices. I know the mouse and keyboard input work because I can CTRL + ALT + 
F1, or move the mouse over the black screen in xfreerdp if I set it to 
SCREEN_07.

I've also tried setting $HOME as you've suggested for "xfreerdp and Ubuntu 
12.04", but with no effect.

My ps aux | grep rdp is the same as David's, although he appears to be able to 
use his SCREEN_07=xterm while I cannot. Also, I'm using a fresh ltsp-pnp vs. 
traditional, so I understand my mileage may vary. Thanks for all the help!

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Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 12:57:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp i386 xfreerdp

Στις 08/06/2012 12:58 πμ, ο/η John Gallias έγραψε:
> SCREEN_07=xterm
>
> LTSP boots, fully launches xterm: no input. Cannot provide any input to 
> xterm. Can still access a console on CRTL + ALT + F1.
>

Move your mouse over the xterm window.
If your still cannot provide input, your problem isn't related to the 
LTSP screen scripts, it's something else.

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp i386 xfreerdp

2012-06-07 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
Στις 08/06/2012 12:58 πμ, ο/η John Gallias έγραψε:
> SCREEN_07=xterm
>
> LTSP boots, fully launches xterm: no input. Cannot provide any input to 
> xterm. Can still access a console on CRTL + ALT + F1.
>

Move your mouse over the xterm window.
If your still cannot provide input, your problem isn't related to the 
LTSP screen scripts, it's something else.

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp i386 xfreerdp

2012-06-07 Thread John Gallias
SCREEN_07=xterm

LTSP boots, fully launches xterm: no input. Cannot provide any input to xterm. 
Can still access a console on CRTL + ALT + F1.

SCREEN_07=xfreerdp 

Same as before, black screen with cursor, console available CTRL + ALT + F1

I'd be happy to post any output from any commands that might be helpful in 
resolving this.

I'm going to try taking some screen scripts from our old working 10.04 Precise 
installs and see what I can come up with as well.

Thank you for your support! I think ltsp-pnp is a great idea and much needed!

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Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp i386 xfreerdp

Start with SCREEN_07=xterm
Run xfreerdp from there, with any command line you want.
Then put that command line in
SCREEN_07="xfreerdp params"
Don't include any RDP* variables at all, not even the server.

Is it working this way?

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp i386 xfreerdp

2012-06-07 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
Start with SCREEN_07=xterm
Run xfreerdp from there, with any command line you want.
Then put that command line in
SCREEN_07="xfreerdp params"
Don't include any RDP* variables at all, not even the server.

Is it working this way?

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[Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp i386 xfreerdp

2012-06-07 Thread John Gallias
I'm experiencing the same issue as Radek and David with xfreerdp and a fresh 
12.04 i386 ltsp-pnp

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp

It will fully boot to xfreerdp, but then only display a cursor and black 
screen: no further prompts or screen redraw from xfreerdp

David's "ps aux | grep rdp" output is similar to mine (same look, different 
options).

I've tried removing all RDP options (well, except RDP_SERVER of course), with 
no effect.

There is a console available at CTRL + ALT + F1 that works fine for local 
ThinClient login.

Any further assistance is greatly appreciated. I'm quite familiar with LTSP and 
would be willing to try any suggestions to get this working. Thanks. 


Other users affected, links to their messages:

Radek Bursztynowski
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=29369455

David Burgess
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=29343623

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[Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp nbd Limit?

2012-04-26 Thread Gymhaan Rechenzentrum
Hi
is there a limit of connections for nbd in ltsp-pnp?

I only manage to get 20 clients connectet,
every additional client runs into busybox telling me the
nbd- filesize is far to big.

Greetings
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp

2012-04-25 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
Στις 25/04/2012 11:19 πμ, ο/η Gymhaan Rechenzentrum έγραψε:
 > is there a flag I can set to force clients to be thin?

Hi Roland,

you probably missed my previous reply in the list where I already 
answered your question:

http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg40404.html


 > Or again can I define sets of machines that work as thinclients even
 > if they have plenty of ram?

[mac:addresss]
LTSP_FATCLIENT=False

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp

2012-04-25 Thread Stéphane Graber
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On 04/25/2012 10:19 AM, Gymhaan Rechenzentrum wrote:
> Hi ltsp-pnp Team,
> 
> is there a flag I can set to force clients to be thin?
> 
> I have plenty of old machines with the ram-collection of other old
> machines, but I rather use them as thinclients like before, because
> I have a powerfull ltsp server running idle with ltsp-pnp
> fatclients.
> 
> Can I create sets of machines (MAC address or IP-Number) which 
> either get this "--force-thin" flag or not?
> 
> Greetings Roland

Alkis answered that question yesterday on the mailing-list:

> Or again can I define sets of machines that work as thinclients
> even if they have plenty of ram?

[mac:addresss]
LTSP_FATCLIENT=False


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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp

2012-04-25 Thread Gymhaan Rechenzentrum
Sorry for my last mail,
I just see, that Alkis answered all my Questions in his last mail.

Thanks a lot !!!

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[Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp

2012-04-25 Thread Gymhaan Rechenzentrum
Hi ltsp-pnp Team,

is there a flag I can set to force clients to be thin?

I have plenty of old machines with the ram-collection of
other old machines, but I rather use them as thinclients
like before, because I have a powerfull ltsp server running idle
with ltsp-pnp fatclients.

Can I create sets of machines (MAC address or IP-Number) which
either get this "--force-thin" flag or not?

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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp at our school

2012-04-24 Thread Alkis Georgopoulos
Στις 24/04/2012 02:05 μμ, ο/η Gymhaan Rechenzentrum έγραψε:
 > but now I found your ltsp-pnp for 12.04 which is absolutely great !!!

Hi Roland,

*** To all: please don't test ltsp-pnp anymore ***

As mentioned in previous mails, it's being merged upstream, and will be 
ready in a couple of months. I'll notify the list with details once the 
updated tools (e.g. ltsp-update-image --export-root) are ready.


The following are unrelated to ltsp-pnp, they affect all fat client 
installations:

> Second is that I want to use unity as default desktop but it has to
> be ubuntu 2D. When I select this everytime at the ldm it works fine,
> but how can I set this to default

In lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=ubuntu-2d"

> Can I change the limit up to which the clients behave as thinclients
> rather than fatclients?

[Default]
FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD=600

> Or again can I define sets of machines that work as thinclients even if
> they have plenty of ram?

[mac:addresss]
LTSP_FATCLIENT=False

Cheers,
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Re: [Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp at our school

2012-04-24 Thread Stéphane Graber
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On 04/24/2012 01:05 PM, Gymhaan Rechenzentrum wrote:
> Hello Alkis, hello others, my name is Roland, I am German and I am
> the computing teacher and system admin at our school in Haan (near
> Düsseldorf) I used to use ltsp in our ubuntu school system since
> 2008, but now I found your ltsp-pnp for 12.04 which is absolutely
> great !!! Thanks a lot for that!
> 
> I just installed it at our school in this very minute. We have 60
> clients and 1000 accounts!
> 
> Almost everthing works out of the box as you said, but just
> almost.
> 
> We have some machines with a motherboard-vga (dell optiplex 740). 
> These pcs die when loading an image to ram. This is a known bug and
> to prevent them from using their full ram I used to add mem=1G to 
> the default file in pxelinux.cfg.
> 
> On the other hand there are smaller machines which die if they
> recieve this mem=1G option.
> 
> I uses to get around this by using more then one files in
> pxelinux.conf.
> 
> I could do the same again, but I want to stick to your conventions 
> an this is to use /etc/ltsp for configurations.
> 
> Is there a chance to have multiple boot options for different sets
> of machines somewhere in /etc/ltsp?
> 
> Second is that I want to use unity as default desktop but it has
> to be ubuntu 2D. When I select this everytime at the ldm it works
> fine, but how can I set this to default (which now is ubuntu
> (without 2D), and that does not work at all on my clients)

We actually only found this bug recently and it's being tracked, so
hopefully the fallback mechanism for Ubuntu should be fixed soon to
fallback to Ubuntu 2D in such case.

You can set the following key in your lts.conf to force Ubuntu 2D:
LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=ubuntu-2d"

> Last (for now) ist that I plugged as many ram as I could find into
> my old machines leading to the fact that all clients have 500+MB. 
> But some of them are really slow and I have a powerfull
> ltsp-server. Can I change the limit up to which the clients behave
> as thinclients rather than fatclients? Or again can I define sets
> of machines that work as thinclients even if they have plenty of
> ram?
> 
> I am willing to help as much as I can and I will report on any
> strange things happening or solutions (even workarounds) that I
> found. I think your simple ltsp-pnp is the key for a lot of schools
> to switch to linux. In my town there are 3 other schools waiting
> for ltsp to become easy enough to get used by "non-freaks". I
> think, ltsp-pnp will save my day on my mission to convince them of
> open-source!
> 
> Greetings Roland
> 
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[Ltsp-discuss] ltsp-pnp at our school

2012-04-24 Thread Gymhaan Rechenzentrum
Hello Alkis,
hello others,
my name is Roland, I am German and I am the computing teacher and
system admin at our school in Haan (near Düsseldorf)
I used to use ltsp in our ubuntu school system since 2008,
but now I found your ltsp-pnp for 12.04 which is absolutely great !!!
Thanks a lot for that!

I just installed it at our school in this very minute.
We have 60 clients and 1000 accounts!

Almost everthing works out of the box as you said,
but just almost.

We have some machines with a motherboard-vga (dell optiplex 740).
These pcs die when loading an image to ram.
This is a known bug and to prevent them
from using their full ram I used to add mem=1G to
the default file in pxelinux.cfg.

On the other hand there are smaller machines which
die if they recieve this mem=1G option.

I uses to get around this by using more then one files
in pxelinux.conf.

I could do the same again, but I want to stick to your conventions
an this is to use /etc/ltsp for configurations.

Is there a chance to have multiple boot options for different sets of 
machines
somewhere in /etc/ltsp?

Second is that I want to use unity as default desktop but it has to
be ubuntu 2D. When I select this everytime at the ldm it works fine,
but how can I set this to default (which now is ubuntu (without 2D), and 
that
does not work at all on my clients)

Last (for now) ist that I plugged as many ram as I could find into my old
machines leading to the fact that all clients have 500+MB.
But some of them are really slow and I have a powerfull ltsp-server.
Can I change the limit up to which the clients behave as thinclients 
rather than fatclients?
Or again can I define sets of machines that work as thinclients even if 
they have plenty of ram?

I am willing to help as much as I can and I will report on any strange 
things happening or
solutions (even workarounds) that I found.
I think your simple ltsp-pnp is the key for a lot of schools to switch 
to linux.
In my town there are 3 other schools waiting for ltsp to become easy 
enough to get used
by "non-freaks". I think, ltsp-pnp will save my day on my mission to 
convince them of open-source!

Greetings
Roland


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