[LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines
Clarity above clutter is a common factor in many postings. Personal preferences - grid rhythm signs versus minimal use of rhythm signs, landscape versus portrait, where to place measure numbers - are not interesting in itself, but if there are enough people sending in their preferences some sort of order will come. To avoid complaining about bad practices, all too easy, I'd like to know what people think is beautiful tablature. Some favourites of mine, in no particular order but facsimiles only for starters and beginning on one side of the bookshelves so leaving out much else: Saizenay (not always clear but always beautiful), the Petrucci prints (because it still looks like it was printed yesterday, although I must say I have difficulty with the continuous stream of rhythm signs), Morlaye (second book with the straight bar lines, every measure a rhythm signs, btw), Vallet (a bit cramped on the page, but such elegant ciphers and adapting the d's and b's to available space), Gerle (comforting amounts of white page around the music, pity of the page turns), Airs de Cour books from Ballard (nice d's that fit neatly between the lines), Ballard premier livre (good page lay out, clear signs, very wel done, buy the facsimile now, even if you have the CNRS edition), and Toyohiko's handwriting, I might add: elegant and clear. Could be summarized as clarity above clutter with elegance mixed in. FWIW, Finale has the option to break tablature lines at the ciphers, a feature greatly enhancing legibility. David -- *** David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines, impossible!
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:19 AM To: Lute Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines, impossible! If you provide tablature in electronic format you completely loose control. true. Who needs control? no copyright exists on it as music. Apparently, you are joking. Believe it or not: I have the copyright on every single piece in my Holborne edition because I have changed every single piece. My proposal was not intended to interest publishers, but I think it will interest players and scholars. No scholar will use a tablature file from the internet for any serious purpose without comparing it with the original source. Rainer adS CONFIDENTIALITY DISCLAIMER The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy this message, delete any copies held on your systems and notify the sender immediately. You should not retain, copy or use this email for any purpose outside of any NDA currently existing between Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH and yourselves. Toshiba Electronics Europe GmbH Hansaallee 181 - 40549 Duesseldorf - Germany Phone: +49 (211) 5296-0 - Fax: +49 (211) 5296-400 Handelsregister Duesseldorf HRB 22487 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Hitoshi Otsuka Amtsgericht Duesseldorf To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Tablature notation guidelines
Dear Tom, Alain Veylit's Django software will convert MIDI files to tablature automatically. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 December 2008 20:16 To: List LUTELIST; howard posner Subject: [LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines One feature in Finale that I find very useful is you can import a MIDI file and it will notate it automatically (errors, of course, but much quicker than starting from scratch). This is a feature I would like to see built into Fronimo. Tom Tom Draughon Heartistry Music http://www.heartistry.com/artists/tom.html 714 9th Avenue West Ashland, WI 54806 715-682-9362 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tablature notation guidelines
Dear Tom, indeed it is built into Fronimo. Just choose MIDI Files as the file format into the standard Fronimo file open dialog box. In other words, there is not a specific import command but the import is done by opening the MIDI file. Best wishes, Francesco -Original Message- From: Stewart McCoy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 2:05 PM To: Lute Net Subject: [LUTE] Tablature notation guidelines Dear Tom, Alain Veylit's Django software will convert MIDI files to tablature automatically. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 December 2008 20:16 To: List LUTELIST; howard posner Subject: [LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines One feature in Finale that I find very useful is you can import a MIDI file and it will notate it automatically (errors, of course, but much quicker than starting from scratch). This is a feature I would like to see built into Fronimo. Tom Tom Draughon Heartistry Music http://www.heartistry.com/artists/tom.html 714 9th Avenue West Ashland, WI 54806 715-682-9362 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] lute pictures
Hello all, I am looking for some pictures of the 11c lute by Weigert located in the Germanisches Nationalmuseum (MIR 898). Would someone like to share their museum snapshots? Thanks, Tom. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008, David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Clarity above clutter is a common factor in many postings. agreed, clutter is bad for legibility. Grids can be good, when the music has a regular pulse that is shown clearly. Sparse flags can get me lost, the occaisional redundant reminder is good, say, at beginning of each bar. Regular spacing uses the paper best, some musicians have a preferrence for proportional spacing as is seen in engraved editinos, but that is a huge can of worms and endless tweeking. Useful when polyphony is shown by notes with real duratinos; but in tablature we obscure the actual durations of polyphony (when it is present), so I prefer a denser display, for me there is no gain to spreading the longer 'chords' further apart. I can number my own measures, markup my own fingerings, and add my own ornamentation marks in my own systems thank you. Landscape vs portrait is in part an issue of what stand I am working on and how I am organizing it. I might be working from a tall fakebook, or a wide edition - playing on both wind and plucked or perhaps singing; If the book is wide, tall music (not necessarily tab) placed behind and projecting above (legal longways) lets me switch between both as desired; maybe a wind player stands behind me sharing the stand... Dont be despayrd ye publishers, I can always take the originals to a copyshop and make what is necessary for that performance. I'd like to know what people think is beautiful tablature. For magically clear french fretglyphs I think Granjon's font is the best first used on the continent for a variety of cittern and lute tab, and also in england - Kingston used it in 1574 for Le Roy's _Instruction...Lute_, and Wm Barley used it in the 1599 print of Richard Alison's settings of the _Psalms of David_. It is rare to have distinct small round miniscule a, c, e, but granjon achieved that. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines
@Betsy Lahaussois: Intel macs can run windows very well via Boot Camp or Parallels or some other virtualisation tool. If you use Boot Camp (free with OSX leopard) you will only need a Legal copy of Windows XP with an integrated SP2 or later. Vista will run fine as well. How to do that is explained inthe manual you got with your Mac. However you should note that one cannot run Windows on a PPC- Mac. You will find that in most instances Windows runs smoother on a Mac than on a PC. So maybe your move wasn't so bad after all. Cheers! Lex van Sante To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines
I think everyone has their faves, just like the original copyists. Here's a few themes: 1. Landscape vs portrait-- Both existed historically, some formats work better for some music. But see below 2. Diplomatic facsimile--hints at, or strongly resembles the original. A very good choice for many lute players as they have knowledge of original tab notation. A nice choice for many less problematic items, follow the original in choosing paper size, flags, etc 3. Reconstructive facsimile Used in some but no all musicological editions. The idea here is that whatever is on the page will allow you to recreate the original. There are many ways to do this, it is a very good way to present editions. 4. Edition Facsimile Choose an editing option and facing or on subsequent pages include the original. NB This is the only satisfactory way to do an edition since we do not use sophisticated proofing techniques. You need not do a rigorous reconstructive edition as the facsimile is present, unless you so choose. 5. Study editions This is a bit off topic, but everyone should be using study editions, ideally in three or four part staves, although most of these are in keyboard notation. However, unless you are training in short score, which is of course a great way to get gigs, single line expansion is much, much better for study and improving your playing than keyboard, and has historical precedent as well, for example, Dowland's Lachrimae set. Once you have decided which kind of edition you are making, many choices will follow a sort of house style, for example, in a diplomatic facsimile you will want to choose the fonts and spacing that resemble the original. However some of these choices will be personal; the computer allows the end user to repersonalize the edition. So, include a computer file so the end user can mess around with it. Currently Finale and Sibelius users benefit by the XML interchange format, a standard interchange format--other than midi--would be a good thing, although midi has sort of occupied that slot, G Flats and all. 6. A wiki interface for correcting online editions should be present. This is very important. 7. All editions should be free. We need more lute players. Thanks to all who make the music available. dt At 12:08 PM 12/9/2008, you wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008, David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Clarity above clutter is a common factor in many postings. agreed, clutter is bad for legibility. Grids can be good, when the music has a regular pulse that is shown clearly. Sparse flags can get me lost, the occaisional redundant reminder is good, say, at beginning of each bar. Regular spacing uses the paper best, some musicians have a preferrence for proportional spacing as is seen in engraved editinos, but that is a huge can of worms and endless tweeking. Useful when polyphony is shown by notes with real duratinos; but in tablature we obscure the actual durations of polyphony (when it is present), so I prefer a denser display, for me there is no gain to spreading the longer 'chords' further apart. I can number my own measures, markup my own fingerings, and add my own ornamentation marks in my own systems thank you. Landscape vs portrait is in part an issue of what stand I am working on and how I am organizing it. I might be working from a tall fakebook, or a wide edition - playing on both wind and plucked or perhaps singing; If the book is wide, tall music (not necessarily tab) placed behind and projecting above (legal longways) lets me switch between both as desired; maybe a wind player stands behind me sharing the stand... Dont be despayrd ye publishers, I can always take the originals to a copyshop and make what is necessary for that performance. I'd like to know what people think is beautiful tablature. For magically clear french fretglyphs I think Granjon's font is the best first used on the continent for a variety of cittern and lute tab, and also in england - Kingston used it in 1574 for Le Roy's _Instruction...Lute_, and Wm Barley used it in the 1599 print of Richard Alison's settings of the _Psalms of David_. It is rare to have distinct small round miniscule a, c, e, but granjon achieved that. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines
On Dec 9, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Lex van Sante wrote: However you should note that one cannot run Windows on a PPC- Mac. I do it all the time using Virtual PC. Not exactly a perfect option... -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Catterino Cavos
Catterino Cavos was a Venetian composer who settled in St. Petersburg in the 1790's. Together with a poet prince Shakhovskoy he wrote a vaudeville on Ukrainian themes called Cossack-Poet, in 1812. It became hugely popular and was staged for some 40 years. Here's a mazurka from it- http://www.torban.org/images/cavos.pdf http://www.torban.org/sounds/cavos.mp3 RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines
@ Howard Posner: Probably off topic: Sorry! You mean you have actually been able to use Fronimo with Virtual PC? That is no mean feat! I've tried using it but it was all very slow, unstable, not to mention costly. I was fortunate that my Apple dealer at the time offered me a chance to test this on one of his PPC's. After fiddling around for about 15 minutes I had enough. Like you say: Not exactly a perfect option. Cheers! Lex van Sante To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines
I ran Stringwalker, Django and Fronimo on VPC until about 3 years ago. No difficulties, aside from horrendous echo in midi playback. I now keep both a Mac and a PC, for a different set of reasons. RT - Original Message - From: Lex van Sante [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute mailing list list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 7:47 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines @ Howard Posner: Probably off topic: Sorry! You mean you have actually been able to use Fronimo with Virtual PC? That is no mean feat! I've tried using it but it was all very slow, unstable, not to mention costly. I was fortunate that my Apple dealer at the time offered me a chance to test this on one of his PPC's. After fiddling around for about 15 minutes I had enough. Like you say: Not exactly a perfect option. Cheers! Lex van Sante To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines
On Dec 9, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Lex van Sante wrote: You mean you have actually been able to use Fronimo with Virtual PC? I've never tried to use Fronimo. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines
Me too for the last 5(?) years and the only program I run on it is Fronimo which works mostly fine. (ok, and Firefox to download the newest Fronimo 3 from time to time ;^) My only slowdown is playing the midi files. I have to save them as midi files, send them to the shared folder and then open them in Quicktime (or iTunes). Do folks runing Fronimo on Intel macs have to do this workaround? Sean On Dec 9, 2008, at 3:59 PM, howard posner wrote: On Dec 9, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Lex van Sante wrote: However you should note that one cannot run Windows on a PPC- Mac. I do it all the time using Virtual PC. Not exactly a perfect option... -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines
On Tue, Dec 9, 2008, howard posner [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Dec 9, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Lex van Sante wrote: However you should note that one cannot run Windows on a PPC- Mac. how about mac OS on a pentium with a partition for windoz? Yes, it obliges purchase of pentium, which i supose was the original object, sigh, time for bed. Maybe you can find a nice used quadra 650 and one of those nu-bus cards that puts a pentium co-proc inside, network it to the rest of the world. -- Dana Emery To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tablature notation guidelines
Am 9 Dec 2008 um 14:47 hat David Tayler geschrieben: 7. All editions should be free. We need more lute players. Thanks to all who make the music available. Yes, and all lessons likewise. And all the concerts, we need more listeners, you see. After all the applause is the bread of the artist... Honestly David, do you think we all should do some real work and leave the arts to private amusements? Best regards, Stephan To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
