Re: [need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Sven Schreiber wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tips/ so I've moved your text there.
http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/CopyTablesFromSpreadsheets
In addition, it's a good idea to add a link to the special page in each
group that is used to list/describe pages in the group. Here, the page is
simply
http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/PageList
so I've added a link to your page from that page.
[snip]
It's good you're explaining this, because somehow I'm a bit tired of
learning yet another markup syntax, especially through manuals and
tutorials.
I can understand that... would a reference card of the markup on a
single page be better?
However, in general I don't think the markup is the big problem, but
rather knowing *where* to add the information. And knowing how to
integrate the page with all the other pages, so that people can find it
relatively easy.
As for the markup... I think most writers could get by knowing only a
subset of what is shown below the edit form, i.e. this text:
http://wiki.lyx.org/PmWiki/EditQuickReference
In fact, I'd say these are the most common things you need to know:
!! A second level heading
!!! A third level heading
An ''emphasized'' word
* A list item
* Another list item
** A second level list item
and of course how to create a link to another page
{{LyX/Examples}} - a link to the page LyX/Examples
Possibly this also deters other people from adding to the wiki.
Quit likely unfortunately.
Is there any way to use plain html and get that converted so that the
wiki engine accepts it?
I'm afraid not... there are actually good reasons for why HTML isn't
allowed, but I can't remember them right now.
/Christian
--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Sven Schreiber wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tips/ so I've moved your text there.
http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/CopyTablesFromSpreadsheets
In addition, it's a good idea to add a link to the special page in each
group that is used to list/describe pages in the group. Here, the page is
simply
http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/PageList
so I've added a link to your page from that page.
[snip]
It's good you're explaining this, because somehow I'm a bit tired of
learning yet another markup syntax, especially through manuals and
tutorials.
I can understand that... would a reference card of the markup on a
single page be better?
However, in general I don't think the markup is the big problem, but
rather knowing *where* to add the information. And knowing how to
integrate the page with all the other pages, so that people can find it
relatively easy.
As for the markup... I think most writers could get by knowing only a
subset of what is shown below the edit form, i.e. this text:
http://wiki.lyx.org/PmWiki/EditQuickReference
In fact, I'd say these are the most common things you need to know:
!! A second level heading
!!! A third level heading
An ''emphasized'' word
* A list item
* Another list item
** A second level list item
and of course how to create a link to another page
{{LyX/Examples}} - a link to the page LyX/Examples
Possibly this also deters other people from adding to the wiki.
Quit likely unfortunately.
Is there any way to use plain html and get that converted so that the
wiki engine accepts it?
I'm afraid not... there are actually good reasons for why HTML isn't
allowed, but I can't remember them right now.
/Christian
--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
On Sun, 23 Oct 2005, Sven Schreiber wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >Tips/ so I've moved your text there.
> >
> > http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/CopyTablesFromSpreadsheets
> >
> >In addition, it's a good idea to add a link to the special page in each
> >group that is used to list/describe pages in the group. Here, the page is
> >simply
> >
> > http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/PageList
> >
> >so I've added a link to your page from that page.
[snip]
> It's good you're explaining this, because somehow I'm a bit tired of
> learning yet another markup syntax, especially through manuals and
> tutorials.
I can understand that... would a "reference card" of the markup on a
single page be better?
However, in general I don't think the markup is the big problem, but
rather knowing *where* to add the information. And knowing how to
"integrate" the page with all the other pages, so that people can find it
relatively easy.
As for the markup... I think most writers could get by knowing only a
subset of what is shown below the edit form, i.e. this text:
http://wiki.lyx.org/PmWiki/EditQuickReference
In fact, I'd say these are the most common things you need to know:
!! A second level heading
!!! A third level heading
An ''emphasized'' word
* A list item
* Another list item
** A second level list item
and of course how to create a link to another page
{{LyX/Examples}} - a link to the page LyX/Examples
> Possibly this also deters other people from adding to the wiki.
Quit likely unfortunately.
> Is there any way to use plain html and get that converted so that the
> wiki engine accepts it?
I'm afraid not... there are actually good reasons for why HTML isn't
allowed, but I can't remember them right now.
/Christian
--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tips/ so I've moved your text there.
http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/CopyTablesFromSpreadsheets
In addition, it's a good idea to add a link to the special page in each
group that is used to list/describe pages in the group. Here, the page is
simply
http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/PageList
so I've added a link to your page from that page.
Thanks very much for your help!
PS. As a sidenote, let me just mention that the way I used to create a
link to Sven's page from the PageList-page used the following markup:
T*Tips/{{copy tables from spreadsheets}}
which is called a teaser markup. It's a teaser because after the link,
a teaser text will be appended that is taken from the first link of the
page that is being linked to. As a result of this, thinks work out nicely
on the PaegList-page if the first line on each page is a nice description
of each page.
It's good you're explaining this, because somehow I'm a bit tired of
learning yet another markup syntax, especially through manuals and
tutorials. Possibly this also deters other people from adding to the
wiki. Is there any way to use plain html and get that converted so that
the wiki engine accepts it?
But thanks again,
sven
Re: [need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tips/ so I've moved your text there.
http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/CopyTablesFromSpreadsheets
In addition, it's a good idea to add a link to the special page in each
group that is used to list/describe pages in the group. Here, the page is
simply
http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/PageList
so I've added a link to your page from that page.
Thanks very much for your help!
PS. As a sidenote, let me just mention that the way I used to create a
link to Sven's page from the PageList-page used the following markup:
T*Tips/{{copy tables from spreadsheets}}
which is called a teaser markup. It's a teaser because after the link,
a teaser text will be appended that is taken from the first link of the
page that is being linked to. As a result of this, thinks work out nicely
on the PaegList-page if the first line on each page is a nice description
of each page.
It's good you're explaining this, because somehow I'm a bit tired of
learning yet another markup syntax, especially through manuals and
tutorials. Possibly this also deters other people from adding to the
wiki. Is there any way to use plain html and get that converted so that
the wiki engine accepts it?
But thanks again,
sven
Re: [need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>Tips/ so I've moved your text there.
>
> http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/CopyTablesFromSpreadsheets
>
>In addition, it's a good idea to add a link to the special page in each
>group that is used to list/describe pages in the group. Here, the page is
>simply
>
> http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/PageList
>
>so I've added a link to your page from that page.
>
>
Thanks very much for your help!
>PS. As a sidenote, let me just mention that the way I used to create a
>link to Sven's page from the PageList-page used the following markup:
>
> T*Tips/{{copy tables from spreadsheets}}
>
>which is called a "teaser" markup. It's a teaser because after the link,
>a teaser text will be appended that is taken from the first link of the
>page that is being linked to. As a result of this, thinks work out nicely
>on the PaegList-page if the first line on each page is a nice description
>of each page.
>
>
>
It's good you're explaining this, because somehow I'm a bit tired of
learning yet another markup syntax, especially through manuals and
tutorials. Possibly this also deters other people from adding to the
wiki. Is there any way to use plain html and get that converted so that
the wiki engine accepts it?
But thanks again,
sven
Re: [need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Sven Schreiber wrote:
I just discovered your tips on transferring spreadsheet contents, and I
think it's really useful; so I have turned this into a page for the tips
section of the Wiki. It should be saved on the Wiki
(CopyTablesFromSpreadsheets), but I'm not sure how to correctly link
this to the tips section, so maybe somebody else could help me out.
Hi Sven
Putting it on the wiki seems like a good idea (even it it would be fixed
in 1.4 - I don't know).
The only real problem with adding stuff to the wiki is deciding where to
add it... or what to call the page if you're creating a new page.
Generally speaking, the pages are organized into groups, where we have
groups such as LyX/, Tips/ and Examples/. I'm guessing this belongs in
Tips/ so I've moved your text there.
http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/CopyTablesFromSpreadsheets
In addition, it's a good idea to add a link to the special page in each
group that is used to list/describe pages in the group. Here, the page is
simply
http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/PageList
so I've added a link to your page from that page.
If you're feeling really ambitious, you could go to the one of the pages
in the group FAQ/ and add a question/answer that simply links to your
page.
best regards
/Christian
PS. As a sidenote, let me just mention that the way I used to create a
link to Sven's page from the PageList-page used the following markup:
T*Tips/{{copy tables from spreadsheets}}
which is called a teaser markup. It's a teaser because after the link,
a teaser text will be appended that is taken from the first link of the
page that is being linked to. As a result of this, thinks work out nicely
on the PaegList-page if the first line on each page is a nice description
of each page.
--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Sven Schreiber wrote:
I just discovered your tips on transferring spreadsheet contents, and I
think it's really useful; so I have turned this into a page for the tips
section of the Wiki. It should be saved on the Wiki
(CopyTablesFromSpreadsheets), but I'm not sure how to correctly link
this to the tips section, so maybe somebody else could help me out.
Hi Sven
Putting it on the wiki seems like a good idea (even it it would be fixed
in 1.4 - I don't know).
The only real problem with adding stuff to the wiki is deciding where to
add it... or what to call the page if you're creating a new page.
Generally speaking, the pages are organized into groups, where we have
groups such as LyX/, Tips/ and Examples/. I'm guessing this belongs in
Tips/ so I've moved your text there.
http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/CopyTablesFromSpreadsheets
In addition, it's a good idea to add a link to the special page in each
group that is used to list/describe pages in the group. Here, the page is
simply
http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/PageList
so I've added a link to your page from that page.
If you're feeling really ambitious, you could go to the one of the pages
in the group FAQ/ and add a question/answer that simply links to your
page.
best regards
/Christian
PS. As a sidenote, let me just mention that the way I used to create a
link to Sven's page from the PageList-page used the following markup:
T*Tips/{{copy tables from spreadsheets}}
which is called a teaser markup. It's a teaser because after the link,
a teaser text will be appended that is taken from the first link of the
page that is being linked to. As a result of this, thinks work out nicely
on the PaegList-page if the first line on each page is a nice description
of each page.
--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Sven Schreiber wrote:
> I just discovered your tips on transferring spreadsheet contents, and I
> think it's really useful; so I have turned this into a page for the tips
> section of the Wiki. It should be saved on the Wiki
> ("CopyTablesFromSpreadsheets"), but I'm not sure how to correctly link
> this to the tips section, so maybe somebody else could help me out.
Hi Sven
Putting it on the wiki seems like a good idea (even it it would be fixed
in 1.4 - I don't know).
The only real problem with adding stuff to the wiki is deciding where to
add it... or what to call the page if you're creating a new page.
Generally speaking, the pages are organized into groups, where we have
groups such as LyX/, Tips/ and Examples/. I'm guessing this belongs in
Tips/ so I've moved your text there.
http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/CopyTablesFromSpreadsheets
In addition, it's a good idea to add a link to the special page in each
group that is used to list/describe pages in the group. Here, the page is
simply
http://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/PageList
so I've added a link to your page from that page.
If you're feeling really ambitious, you could go to the one of the pages
in the group FAQ/ and add a question/answer that simply links to your
page.
best regards
/Christian
PS. As a sidenote, let me just mention that the way I used to create a
link to Sven's page from the PageList-page used the following markup:
T*Tips/{{copy tables from spreadsheets}}
which is called a "teaser" markup. It's a teaser because after the link,
a teaser text will be appended that is taken from the first link of the
page that is being linked to. As a result of this, thinks work out nicely
on the PaegList-page if the first line on each page is a nice description
of each page.
--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: [need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
Its great that you are visualising putting this on the wiki. I just wonder if it might be a better idea to scan through the lists and summarize all cut and paste tips and put them together on the wiki if you can spare the time. In principle I could do that, but with the (hopefully) imminent release of version 1.4 I would rather start a new tips collection instead of spending time on a (hopefully) soon obsolete version. Samar, feel free to remind me of this half-promise when 1.4 comes out... -sven
Re: [need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
On Wednesday 19 October 2005 13:13, Sven Schreiber wrote: Its great that you are visualising putting this on the wiki. I just wonder if it might be a better idea to scan through the lists and summarize all cut and paste tips and put them together on the wiki if you can spare the time. In principle I could do that, but with the (hopefully) imminent release of version 1.4 I would rather start a new tips collection instead of spending time on a (hopefully) soon obsolete version. Samar, feel free to remind me of this half-promise when 1.4 comes out... -sven Sven, a half promise is better than none and if you are inviting a reminder thats even better. Given the greater margin of time, I could look up a few things from a course I had put together for a small publishing house some time ago which you could consider adding to your work. I seem to recollect reading somewhere that 1.4 will not be addressing the issue of cut and paste. regards samar
Re: [need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
Its great that you are visualising putting this on the wiki. I just wonder if it might be a better idea to scan through the lists and summarize all cut and paste tips and put them together on the wiki if you can spare the time. In principle I could do that, but with the (hopefully) imminent release of version 1.4 I would rather start a new tips collection instead of spending time on a (hopefully) soon obsolete version. Samar, feel free to remind me of this half-promise when 1.4 comes out... -sven
Re: [need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
On Wednesday 19 October 2005 13:13, Sven Schreiber wrote: Its great that you are visualising putting this on the wiki. I just wonder if it might be a better idea to scan through the lists and summarize all cut and paste tips and put them together on the wiki if you can spare the time. In principle I could do that, but with the (hopefully) imminent release of version 1.4 I would rather start a new tips collection instead of spending time on a (hopefully) soon obsolete version. Samar, feel free to remind me of this half-promise when 1.4 comes out... -sven Sven, a half promise is better than none and if you are inviting a reminder thats even better. Given the greater margin of time, I could look up a few things from a course I had put together for a small publishing house some time ago which you could consider adding to your work. I seem to recollect reading somewhere that 1.4 will not be addressing the issue of cut and paste. regards samar
Re: [need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
> Its great that you are visualising putting this on the wiki. > > > I just wonder if it might be a better idea to scan through the lists and > summarize all cut and paste tips and put them together on the wiki if you can > spare the time. In principle I could do that, but with the (hopefully) imminent release of version 1.4 I would rather start a new tips collection instead of spending time on a (hopefully) soon obsolete version. Samar, feel free to remind me of this half-promise when 1.4 comes out... -sven
Re: [need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
On Wednesday 19 October 2005 13:13, Sven Schreiber wrote: > > Its great that you are visualising putting this on the wiki. > > > > > > I just wonder if it might be a better idea to scan through the lists and > > summarize all cut and paste tips and put them together on the wiki if you > > can spare the time. > > In principle I could do that, but with the (hopefully) imminent release of > version 1.4 I would rather start a new tips collection instead of spending > time on a (hopefully) soon obsolete version. > > Samar, feel free to remind me of this half-promise when 1.4 comes out... > > -sven Sven, a half promise is better than none and if you are inviting a reminder thats even better. Given the greater margin of time, I could look up a few things from a course I had put together for a small publishing house some time ago which you could consider adding to your work. I seem to recollect reading somewhere that 1.4 will not be addressing the issue of cut and paste. regards samar
[need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
6. Click the middle button on your mouse. That should be it. The experts tell me this should not work but unfortunately for the theory, it does for me. samar Kenward I just discovered your tips on transferring spreadsheet contents, and I think it's really useful; so I have turned this into a page for the tips section of the Wiki. It should be saved on the Wiki (CopyTablesFromSpreadsheets), but I'm not sure how to correctly link this to the tips section, so maybe somebody else could help me out. Samar, Kenward, I hope you don't mind being mentioned on the page. And btw, while I'm a loyal, devoted, enthusiastic, spreading-the-word (etc., you get the feeling...) Lyx user, I have to say that the need to publish this workaround as a hint just means that basic copypaste is essentially kaputt in Lyx. Can we users hope for better life with 1.4? (Developers, please don't get me wrong, Lyx is great software.) -sven
Re: [need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
On Tuesday 18 October 2005 03:50, Sven Schreiber wrote: 6. Click the middle button on your mouse. That should be it. The experts tell me this should not work but unfortunately for the theory, it does for me. samar Kenward I just discovered your tips on transferring spreadsheet contents, and I think it's really useful; so I have turned this into a page for the tips section of the Wiki. It should be saved on the Wiki (CopyTablesFromSpreadsheets), but I'm not sure how to correctly link this to the tips section, so maybe somebody else could help me out. Samar, Kenward, I hope you don't mind being mentioned on the page. And btw, while I'm a loyal, devoted, enthusiastic, spreading-the-word (etc., you get the feeling...) Lyx user, I have to say that the need to publish this workaround as a hint just means that basic copypaste is essentially kaputt in Lyx. Can we users hope for better life with 1.4? (Developers, please don't get me wrong, Lyx is great software.) -sven Its great that you are visualising putting this on the wiki. Just a suggestion. Similar issues keep coming up on cut and paste problems. For instance, recently there was this issue that you can't cut and paste between lyx documents and the simple answer is they have to be documents on the same instance of Lyx. I just wonder if it might be a better idea to scan through the lists and summarize all cut and paste tips and put them together on the wiki if you can spare the time. I have put someting on the wiki before. While the direct instructions are fairly simple I found some derivatives more problematic like the .jpg file being downloaded as .jpeg which creates problems for lyx. Christian at chr at home.se is the man you need to contact. Very helpful too. Re your other comment, like every other beauty Lyx has areas it could improve on, but the entire persona is what most of us go for. Lyx is an immensely productive tool. When you match it with something like freemind, its a powerful combination for thought and expression. To the developers of both, I am personally deeply indebted. best regards samar
[need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
6. Click the middle button on your mouse. That should be it. The experts tell me this should not work but unfortunately for the theory, it does for me. samar Kenward I just discovered your tips on transferring spreadsheet contents, and I think it's really useful; so I have turned this into a page for the tips section of the Wiki. It should be saved on the Wiki (CopyTablesFromSpreadsheets), but I'm not sure how to correctly link this to the tips section, so maybe somebody else could help me out. Samar, Kenward, I hope you don't mind being mentioned on the page. And btw, while I'm a loyal, devoted, enthusiastic, spreading-the-word (etc., you get the feeling...) Lyx user, I have to say that the need to publish this workaround as a hint just means that basic copypaste is essentially kaputt in Lyx. Can we users hope for better life with 1.4? (Developers, please don't get me wrong, Lyx is great software.) -sven
Re: [need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
On Tuesday 18 October 2005 03:50, Sven Schreiber wrote: 6. Click the middle button on your mouse. That should be it. The experts tell me this should not work but unfortunately for the theory, it does for me. samar Kenward I just discovered your tips on transferring spreadsheet contents, and I think it's really useful; so I have turned this into a page for the tips section of the Wiki. It should be saved on the Wiki (CopyTablesFromSpreadsheets), but I'm not sure how to correctly link this to the tips section, so maybe somebody else could help me out. Samar, Kenward, I hope you don't mind being mentioned on the page. And btw, while I'm a loyal, devoted, enthusiastic, spreading-the-word (etc., you get the feeling...) Lyx user, I have to say that the need to publish this workaround as a hint just means that basic copypaste is essentially kaputt in Lyx. Can we users hope for better life with 1.4? (Developers, please don't get me wrong, Lyx is great software.) -sven Its great that you are visualising putting this on the wiki. Just a suggestion. Similar issues keep coming up on cut and paste problems. For instance, recently there was this issue that you can't cut and paste between lyx documents and the simple answer is they have to be documents on the same instance of Lyx. I just wonder if it might be a better idea to scan through the lists and summarize all cut and paste tips and put them together on the wiki if you can spare the time. I have put someting on the wiki before. While the direct instructions are fairly simple I found some derivatives more problematic like the .jpg file being downloaded as .jpeg which creates problems for lyx. Christian at chr at home.se is the man you need to contact. Very helpful too. Re your other comment, like every other beauty Lyx has areas it could improve on, but the entire persona is what most of us go for. Lyx is an immensely productive tool. When you match it with something like freemind, its a powerful combination for thought and expression. To the developers of both, I am personally deeply indebted. best regards samar
[need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
>>6. Click the middle button on your mouse.
>>
>>That should be it. The experts tell me this should not work but
>>unfortunately for the theory, it does for me.
>>
>>samar
>>
>>
>
>
>Kenward
>
>
I just discovered your tips on transferring spreadsheet contents, and I
think it's really useful; so I have turned this into a page for the tips
section of the Wiki. It should be saved on the Wiki
("CopyTablesFromSpreadsheets"), but I'm not sure how to correctly link
this to the tips section, so maybe somebody else could help me out.
Samar, Kenward, I hope you don't mind being mentioned on the page.
And btw, while I'm a loyal, devoted, enthusiastic, spreading-the-word
(etc., you get the feeling...) Lyx user, I have to say that the need to
publish this workaround as a hint just means that basic copy is
essentially "kaputt" in Lyx. Can we users hope for better life with 1.4?
(Developers, please don't get me wrong, Lyx is great software.)
-sven
Re: [need help with wiki] Re: Excel data sheets
On Tuesday 18 October 2005 03:50, Sven Schreiber wrote:
> >>6. Click the middle button on your mouse.
> >>
> >>That should be it. The experts tell me this should not work but
> >>unfortunately for the theory, it does for me.
> >>
> >>samar
> >
> >Kenward
>
> I just discovered your tips on transferring spreadsheet contents, and I
> think it's really useful; so I have turned this into a page for the tips
> section of the Wiki. It should be saved on the Wiki
> ("CopyTablesFromSpreadsheets"), but I'm not sure how to correctly link
> this to the tips section, so maybe somebody else could help me out.
>
> Samar, Kenward, I hope you don't mind being mentioned on the page.
>
> And btw, while I'm a loyal, devoted, enthusiastic, spreading-the-word
> (etc., you get the feeling...) Lyx user, I have to say that the need to
> publish this workaround as a hint just means that basic copy is
> essentially "kaputt" in Lyx. Can we users hope for better life with 1.4?
>
> (Developers, please don't get me wrong, Lyx is great software.)
> -sven
Its great that you are visualising putting this on the wiki.
Just a suggestion. Similar issues keep coming up on cut and paste problems.
For instance, recently there was this issue that you can't cut and paste
between lyx documents and the simple answer is they have to be documents on
the same instance of Lyx.
I just wonder if it might be a better idea to scan through the lists and
summarize all cut and paste tips and put them together on the wiki if you can
spare the time.
I have put someting on the wiki before. While the direct instructions are
fairly simple I found some derivatives more problematic like the .jpg file
being downloaded as .jpeg which creates problems for lyx.
Christian at chr "at" home.se is the man you need to contact. Very helpful
too.
Re your other comment, like every other beauty Lyx has areas it could improve
on, but the entire persona is what most of us go for. Lyx is an immensely
productive tool. When you match it with something like freemind, its a
powerful combination for thought and expression. To the developers of both, I
am personally deeply indebted.
best regards
samar
