Docbook in 2.4.0

[Richard Kimberly Heck]

On 11/2/20 9:41 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote:


I would like to point out that the major push for this release was
to get some feedback about new Docbook output format we provide.

If anyone with related expertise could give it a try and provide
us the feedback that would be approeciated...


Just reposting with a new subject line, to try to get more attention.

Riki


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Re: Import Docbook into LyX?

[José Matos]

On Wednesday 11 September 2013 03:56:21 Jerry wrote:
 Is it possible to import Docbook files into LyX?
 
 Jerry

Nope. :-)

At least not directly. And all the other options imply to loose the semantic 
markup.

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Re: Import Docbook into LyX?

[José Matos]

On Wednesday 11 September 2013 03:56:21 Jerry wrote:
 Is it possible to import Docbook files into LyX?
 
 Jerry

Nope. :-)

At least not directly. And all the other options imply to loose the semantic 
markup.

-- 
José Abílio

Re: Import Docbook into LyX?

[José Matos]

On Wednesday 11 September 2013 03:56:21 Jerry wrote:
> Is it possible to import Docbook files into LyX?
> 
> Jerry

Nope. :-)

At least not directly. And all the other options imply to loose the semantic 
markup.

-- 
José Abílio

Import Docbook into LyX?

[Jerry]

Is it possible to import Docbook files into LyX?

Jerry

Import Docbook into LyX?

[Jerry]

Is it possible to import Docbook files into LyX?

Jerry

Import Docbook into LyX?

[Jerry]

Is it possible to import Docbook files into LyX?

Jerry

Re: Why no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

[Wolfgang Keller]

 No, I'm using a derivative of the LaTeX Book style. Shouldn't I be
 able to export to docbook anyway?

Of course not, since the document structure(s) won't match.

To be able to export to docbook, you need to use a LaTeX document class
that matches the docbook structure.

And even then, LyX afaik does not enforce a schema like XML/SGML
editors do, so you can still end up accidentally creating a document
that wouldn't validate/convert.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Why no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

[Wolfgang Keller]

 No, I'm using a derivative of the LaTeX Book style. Shouldn't I be
 able to export to docbook anyway?

Of course not, since the document structure(s) won't match.

To be able to export to docbook, you need to use a LaTeX document class
that matches the docbook structure.

And even then, LyX afaik does not enforce a schema like XML/SGML
editors do, so you can still end up accidentally creating a document
that wouldn't validate/convert.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Re: Why no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

[Wolfgang Keller]

> No, I'm using a derivative of the LaTeX Book style. Shouldn't I be
> able to export to docbook anyway?

Of course not, since the document structure(s) won't match.

To be able to export to docbook, you need to use a LaTeX document class
that matches the docbook structure.

And even then, LyX afaik does not enforce a "schema" like XML/SGML
editors do, so you can still end up accidentally creating a document
that wouldn't validate/convert.

Sincerely,

Wolfgang

Why no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

Why is there no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Why no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

[Richard Heck]

On 07/04/2013 01:17 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

Hi all,

Why is there no docbook export on LyX 2.03?


Are you using one of the DocBook classes?

rh

Re: Why no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:36:40 -0400
Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:

 On 07/04/2013 01:17 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  Why is there no docbook export on LyX 2.03?
 
 Are you using one of the DocBook classes?
 
 rh
 

No, I'm using a derivative of the LaTeX Book style. Shouldn't I be able
to export to docbook anyway?

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Why no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

[Richard Heck]

On 07/04/2013 01:43 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:36:40 -0400
Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:


On 07/04/2013 01:17 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

Hi all,

Why is there no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

Are you using one of the DocBook classes?

rh


No, I'm using a derivative of the LaTeX Book style. Shouldn't I be able to 
export to docbook anyway?


No, you have to use a DocBook class. Try switching the class. You may 
have to fix some things, though.


Richard

Why no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

Why is there no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Why no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

[Richard Heck]

On 07/04/2013 01:17 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

Hi all,

Why is there no docbook export on LyX 2.03?


Are you using one of the DocBook classes?

rh

Re: Why no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:36:40 -0400
Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:

 On 07/04/2013 01:17 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  Why is there no docbook export on LyX 2.03?
 
 Are you using one of the DocBook classes?
 
 rh
 

No, I'm using a derivative of the LaTeX Book style. Shouldn't I be able
to export to docbook anyway?

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Why no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

[Richard Heck]

On 07/04/2013 01:43 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:36:40 -0400
Richard Heck rgh...@lyx.org wrote:


On 07/04/2013 01:17 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

Hi all,

Why is there no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

Are you using one of the DocBook classes?

rh


No, I'm using a derivative of the LaTeX Book style. Shouldn't I be able to 
export to docbook anyway?


No, you have to use a DocBook class. Try switching the class. You may 
have to fix some things, though.


Richard

Why no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

Why is there no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Why no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

[Richard Heck]

On 07/04/2013 01:17 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

Hi all,

Why is there no docbook export on LyX 2.03?


Are you using one of the DocBook classes?

rh

Re: Why no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

[Steve Litt]

On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:36:40 -0400
Richard Heck <rgh...@lyx.org> wrote:

> On 07/04/2013 01:17 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Why is there no docbook export on LyX 2.03?
> 
> Are you using one of the DocBook classes?
> 
> rh
> 

No, I'm using a derivative of the LaTeX Book style. Shouldn't I be able
to export to docbook anyway?

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt*  http://www.troubleshooters.com/
Troubleshooting Training  *  Human Performance

Re: Why no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

[Richard Heck]

On 07/04/2013 01:43 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 13:36:40 -0400
Richard Heck <rgh...@lyx.org> wrote:


On 07/04/2013 01:17 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

Hi all,

Why is there no docbook export on LyX 2.03?

Are you using one of the DocBook classes?

rh


No, I'm using a derivative of the LaTeX Book style. Shouldn't I be able to 
export to docbook anyway?


No, you have to use a DocBook class. Try switching the class. You may 
have to fix some things, though.


Richard

Re: No bibliography environment in DocBook document class

[José Matos]

On 12/11/2012 03:35 PM, Nico Williams wrote:
 OK, thanks :) that's the answer I was hoping for. Not that I have time
 to contribute code here, but just for my edification: where would I
 look in the source code? In particular I'm using the docbook class but
 exporting to LyXHTML. I'm not sure why I'm doing that -- only that
 I've found that to work best for my purposes (namely: that more
 metadata gets preserved in the resulting XHTML). Thanks! 

Search for docbook methods, you will see them near xhtml methods.
Usually this is a good place to start.

As an example every insert has an export method.

Initial the process to export starts in src/Buffer.cpp then goes to
src/output_docbook.cpp and from there is delegated to the different
elements.

This is the short version. :-)

After this short walk trough if you still have doubts then the next step
is to ask here. :-)

-- 
José Matos

Re: No bibliography environment in DocBook document class

[José Matos]

On 12/11/2012 03:35 PM, Nico Williams wrote:
 OK, thanks :) that's the answer I was hoping for. Not that I have time
 to contribute code here, but just for my edification: where would I
 look in the source code? In particular I'm using the docbook class but
 exporting to LyXHTML. I'm not sure why I'm doing that -- only that
 I've found that to work best for my purposes (namely: that more
 metadata gets preserved in the resulting XHTML). Thanks! 

Search for docbook methods, you will see them near xhtml methods.
Usually this is a good place to start.

As an example every insert has an export method.

Initial the process to export starts in src/Buffer.cpp then goes to
src/output_docbook.cpp and from there is delegated to the different
elements.

This is the short version. :-)

After this short walk trough if you still have doubts then the next step
is to ask here. :-)

-- 
José Matos

Re: No bibliography environment in DocBook document class

[José Matos]

On 12/11/2012 03:35 PM, Nico Williams wrote:
> OK, thanks :) that's the answer I was hoping for. Not that I have time
> to contribute code here, but just for my edification: where would I
> look in the source code? In particular I'm using the docbook class but
> exporting to LyXHTML. I'm not sure why I'm doing that -- only that
> I've found that to work best for my purposes (namely: that more
> metadata gets preserved in the resulting XHTML). Thanks! 

Search for docbook methods, you will see them near xhtml methods.
Usually this is a good place to start.

As an example every insert has an export method.

Initial the process to export starts in src/Buffer.cpp then goes to
src/output_docbook.cpp and from there is delegated to the different
elements.

This is the short version. :-)

After this short walk trough if you still have doubts then the next step
is to ask here. :-)

-- 
José Matos

Re: No bibliography environment in DocBook document class

[Nico Williams]

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 5:22 PM, José Matos jama...@lyx.org wrote:
 On 12/10/2012 10:46 PM, Nico Williams wrote:
 Why is there no bibliography environment in the DocBook document
 classes?  There must be a reason, of course, but then, bibtex is still
 supported, so that's strange...

 The reason why it was never implemented is/was lake of time, no more no
 less. :-)

OK, thanks :) that's the answer I was hoping for.  Not that I have
time to contribute code here, but just for my edification: where would
I look in the source code?  In particular I'm using the docbook class
but exporting to LyXHTML.  I'm not sure why I'm doing that -- only
that I've found that to work best for my purposes (namely: that more
metadata gets preserved in the resulting XHTML).

Thanks!

Re: No bibliography environment in DocBook document class

[Nico Williams]

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 5:22 PM, José Matos jama...@lyx.org wrote:
 On 12/10/2012 10:46 PM, Nico Williams wrote:
 Why is there no bibliography environment in the DocBook document
 classes?  There must be a reason, of course, but then, bibtex is still
 supported, so that's strange...

 The reason why it was never implemented is/was lake of time, no more no
 less. :-)

OK, thanks :) that's the answer I was hoping for.  Not that I have
time to contribute code here, but just for my edification: where would
I look in the source code?  In particular I'm using the docbook class
but exporting to LyXHTML.  I'm not sure why I'm doing that -- only
that I've found that to work best for my purposes (namely: that more
metadata gets preserved in the resulting XHTML).

Thanks!

Re: No bibliography environment in DocBook document class

[Nico Williams]

On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 5:22 PM, José Matos <jama...@lyx.org> wrote:
> On 12/10/2012 10:46 PM, Nico Williams wrote:
>> Why is there no bibliography environment in the DocBook document
>> classes?  There must be a reason, of course, but then, bibtex is still
>> supported, so that's strange...
>
> The reason why it was never implemented is/was lake of time, no more no
> less. :-)

OK, thanks :) that's the answer I was hoping for.  Not that I have
time to contribute code here, but just for my edification: where would
I look in the source code?  In particular I'm using the docbook class
but exporting to LyXHTML.  I'm not sure why I'm doing that -- only
that I've found that to work best for my purposes (namely: that more
metadata gets preserved in the resulting XHTML).

Thanks!

No bibliography environment in DocBook document class

[Nico Williams]

Why is there no bibliography environment in the DocBook document
classes?  There must be a reason, of course, but then, bibtex is still
supported, so that's strange...

Nico
--

Re: No bibliography environment in DocBook document class

[José Matos]

On 12/10/2012 10:46 PM, Nico Williams wrote:
 Why is there no bibliography environment in the DocBook document
 classes?  There must be a reason, of course, but then, bibtex is still
 supported, so that's strange...

 Nico
 --

The reason why it was never implemented is/was lake of time, no more no
less. :-)

-- 
José Matos

No bibliography environment in DocBook document class

[Nico Williams]

Why is there no bibliography environment in the DocBook document
classes?  There must be a reason, of course, but then, bibtex is still
supported, so that's strange...

Nico
--

Re: No bibliography environment in DocBook document class

[José Matos]

On 12/10/2012 10:46 PM, Nico Williams wrote:
 Why is there no bibliography environment in the DocBook document
 classes?  There must be a reason, of course, but then, bibtex is still
 supported, so that's strange...

 Nico
 --

The reason why it was never implemented is/was lake of time, no more no
less. :-)

-- 
José Matos

No bibliography environment in DocBook document class

[Nico Williams]

Why is there no bibliography environment in the DocBook document
classes?  There must be a reason, of course, but then, bibtex is still
supported, so that's strange...

Nico
--

Re: No bibliography environment in DocBook document class

[José Matos]

On 12/10/2012 10:46 PM, Nico Williams wrote:
> Why is there no bibliography environment in the DocBook document
> classes?  There must be a reason, of course, but then, bibtex is still
> supported, so that's strange...
>
> Nico
> --

The reason why it was never implemented is/was lake of time, no more no
less. :-)

-- 
José Matos

Re: docbook export and underlined text?

[José Matos]

On 11/05/2011 03:30 AM, Michael Joyner wrote:
 Good afternoon/morning all,

 I am using the docbook article class, and when I hit preview and it
 pulls up in the web browser, the text I have marked as underlined is
 not exported as underlined. Is this a bug or is this intentional ?

 Using Lyx Version 2.0.1

 Thanks!

 -Mike

 -- 

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The only problem is that should be the markup to do so in docbook.
Underline is physical markup while docbook has logical markup, one
option would be to pass underline as emphasis
role=underline.../emphasis but that would depend on its support by
the exporting tools...

-- 
José Matos

Re: docbook export and underlined text?

[José Matos]

On 11/05/2011 03:30 AM, Michael Joyner wrote:
 Good afternoon/morning all,

 I am using the docbook article class, and when I hit preview and it
 pulls up in the web browser, the text I have marked as underlined is
 not exported as underlined. Is this a bug or is this intentional ?

 Using Lyx Version 2.0.1

 Thanks!

 -Mike

 -- 

   * Learn to speak Cherokee: http://www.cherokeelessons.com/
   * Cherokee Language Help
 BBS/Chat: http://www.cherokeelessons.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=6
   * Cherokee Lessons PDF made with: http://www.lyx.org/


The only problem is that should be the markup to do so in docbook.
Underline is physical markup while docbook has logical markup, one
option would be to pass underline as emphasis
role=underline.../emphasis but that would depend on its support by
the exporting tools...

-- 
José Matos

Re: docbook export and underlined text?

[José Matos]

On 11/05/2011 03:30 AM, Michael Joyner wrote:
> Good afternoon/morning all,
>
> I am using the docbook article class, and when I hit "preview" and it
> pulls up in the web browser, the text I have marked as "underlined" is
> not exported as underlined. Is this a bug or is this intentional ?
>
> Using Lyx Version 2.0.1
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Mike
>
> -- 
>
>   * Learn to speak Cherokee: http://www.cherokeelessons.com/
>   * Cherokee Language Help
> BBS/Chat: http://www.cherokeelessons.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=6
>   * Cherokee Lessons PDF made with: http://www.lyx.org/
>

The only problem is that should be the markup to do so in docbook.
Underline is physical markup while docbook has logical markup, one
option would be to pass underline as ... but that would depend on its support by
the exporting tools...

-- 
José Matos

Re: docbook export and underlined text?

[Pavel Sanda]

Michael Joyner wrote:
 Good afternoon/morning all,
 
 I am using the docbook article class, and when I hit preview and it pulls
 up in the web browser, the text I have marked as underlined is not
 exported as underlined. Is this a bug or is this intentional ?

i guess not intended, put it into bug tracker.
pavel

Re: docbook export and underlined text?

[Pavel Sanda]

Michael Joyner wrote:
 Good afternoon/morning all,
 
 I am using the docbook article class, and when I hit preview and it pulls
 up in the web browser, the text I have marked as underlined is not
 exported as underlined. Is this a bug or is this intentional ?

i guess not intended, put it into bug tracker.
pavel

Re: docbook export and underlined text?

[Pavel Sanda]

Michael Joyner wrote:
> Good afternoon/morning all,
> 
> I am using the docbook article class, and when I hit "preview" and it pulls
> up in the web browser, the text I have marked as "underlined" is not
> exported as underlined. Is this a bug or is this intentional ?

i guess not intended, put it into bug tracker.
pavel

docbook export and underlined text?

[Michael Joyner]

Good afternoon/morning all,

I am using the docbook article class, and when I hit preview and it pulls
up in the web browser, the text I have marked as underlined is not
exported as underlined. Is this a bug or is this intentional ?

Using Lyx Version 2.0.1

Thanks!

-Mike

-- 

   - Learn to speak Cherokee: http://www.cherokeelessons.com/
   - Cherokee Language Help BBS/Chat:
   http://www.cherokeelessons.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=6
   - Cherokee Lessons PDF made with: http://www.lyx.org/

docbook export and underlined text?

[Michael Joyner]

Good afternoon/morning all,

I am using the docbook article class, and when I hit preview and it pulls
up in the web browser, the text I have marked as underlined is not
exported as underlined. Is this a bug or is this intentional ?

Using Lyx Version 2.0.1

Thanks!

-Mike

-- 

   - Learn to speak Cherokee: http://www.cherokeelessons.com/
   - Cherokee Language Help BBS/Chat:
   http://www.cherokeelessons.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=6
   - Cherokee Lessons PDF made with: http://www.lyx.org/

docbook export and underlined text?

[Michael Joyner]

Good afternoon/morning all,

I am using the docbook article class, and when I hit "preview" and it pulls
up in the web browser, the text I have marked as "underlined" is not
exported as underlined. Is this a bug or is this intentional ?

Using Lyx Version 2.0.1

Thanks!

-Mike

-- 

   - Learn to speak Cherokee: http://www.cherokeelessons.com/
   - Cherokee Language Help BBS/Chat:
   http://www.cherokeelessons.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=6
   - Cherokee Lessons PDF made with: http://www.lyx.org/

Re: lyx 2.0.1 export docbook-dvi error element DUMMY undefined

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Are the dummy tags supposed to come over from the lyx doc? Is this a 
docbook toolchain misconfig on Fedora's part? TIA Phil 


This is: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7004.

I already proposed a patch to fix this last year, but no-one has been 
around to verify the validity of the fix and to explain me how to handle 
things like footnotes.


I think I will commit the fix anyway now.

Vincent

Re: lyx 2.0.1 export docbook-dvi error element DUMMY undefined

[Phil Moors]

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:25:04PM +0100, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:25:04 +0100
 From: Vincent van Ravesteijn v...@lyx.org
 Subject: Re: lyx 2.0.1 export docbook-dvi error element DUMMY undefined
 To: Phil Moors philip.mo...@comcast.net
 CC: lyx-users lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 
 Are the dummy tags supposed to come over from the lyx doc? Is this
 a docbook toolchain misconfig on Fedora's part? TIA Phil
 
 This is: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7004.
 
 I already proposed a patch to fix this last year, but no-one has
 been around to verify the validity of the fix and to explain me how
 to handle things like footnotes.
 
 I think I will commit the fix anyway now.
 

Ah. Thank you. I'll look for it and test. I can then put in a ticket
with Fedora asking them to roll out an update.

Thanks,
Phil

Re: lyx 2.0.1 export docbook-dvi error element DUMMY undefined

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Are the dummy tags supposed to come over from the lyx doc? Is this a 
docbook toolchain misconfig on Fedora's part? TIA Phil 


This is: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7004.

I already proposed a patch to fix this last year, but no-one has been 
around to verify the validity of the fix and to explain me how to handle 
things like footnotes.


I think I will commit the fix anyway now.

Vincent

Re: lyx 2.0.1 export docbook-dvi error element DUMMY undefined

[Phil Moors]

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:25:04PM +0100, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:25:04 +0100
 From: Vincent van Ravesteijn v...@lyx.org
 Subject: Re: lyx 2.0.1 export docbook-dvi error element DUMMY undefined
 To: Phil Moors philip.mo...@comcast.net
 CC: lyx-users lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 
 Are the dummy tags supposed to come over from the lyx doc? Is this
 a docbook toolchain misconfig on Fedora's part? TIA Phil
 
 This is: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7004.
 
 I already proposed a patch to fix this last year, but no-one has
 been around to verify the validity of the fix and to explain me how
 to handle things like footnotes.
 
 I think I will commit the fix anyway now.
 

Ah. Thank you. I'll look for it and test. I can then put in a ticket
with Fedora asking them to roll out an update.

Thanks,
Phil

Re: lyx 2.0.1 export docbook->dvi error element DUMMY undefined

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Are the dummy tags supposed to come over from the lyx doc? Is this a 
docbook toolchain misconfig on Fedora's part? TIA Phil 


This is: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7004.

I already proposed a patch to fix this last year, but no-one has been 
around to verify the validity of the fix and to explain me how to handle 
things like footnotes.


I think I will commit the fix anyway now.

Vincent

Re: lyx 2.0.1 export docbook->dvi error element DUMMY undefined

[Phil Moors]

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:25:04PM +0100, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:
> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:25:04 +0100
> From: Vincent van Ravesteijn <v...@lyx.org>
> Subject: Re: lyx 2.0.1 export docbook->dvi error element DUMMY undefined
> To: Phil Moors <philip.mo...@comcast.net>
> CC: lyx-users <lyx-users@lists.lyx.org>
> 
> >Are the dummy tags supposed to come over from the lyx doc? Is this
> >a docbook toolchain misconfig on Fedora's part? TIA Phil
> 
> This is: http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/7004.
> 
> I already proposed a patch to fix this last year, but no-one has
> been around to verify the validity of the fix and to explain me how
> to handle things like footnotes.
> 
> I think I will commit the fix anyway now.
> 

Ah. Thank you. I'll look for it and test. I can then put in a ticket
with Fedora asking them to roll out an update.

Thanks,
Phil

lyx 2.0.1 export docbook-dvi error element DUMMY undefined

[Phil Moors]

OS: Fedora 15 (Linux)
Authoring and Publishing group installed from Fedora
lyx 2.0.1 installed from Fedora

To reproduce:
New from template-docbook_article.lyx
SaveAs test.lyx
export docbook  # this works without error
export dvi

# errors #
Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/sgml-docbook-4.2.cat
Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print
Working on: /tmp/lyx_tmpdir.TJ/lyx_tmpbuf2/test.sgml
jade:/tmp/lyx_tmpdir.TJ/lyx_tmpbuf2/test.sgml:14:17:E: element DUMMY 
undefined
jade:/tmp/lyx_tmpdir.TJ/lyx_tmpbuf2/test.sgml:14:56:E: element DUMMY 
undefined
Systemcall.cpp(259): Systemcall: 'db2dvi test.sgml' finished with exit code 8
Error: Cannot convert file

An error occurred while running:
db2dvi test.sgml
##

I get the same errors when running docbook2dvi on test.sgml.

Within test.lyx there is this (compacted):

\begin_layout Author
\begin_inset Flex Firstname
status collapsed
\begin_layout Plain Layout
Joe
\end_layout
\end_inset

\begin_inset Flex Surname
status collapsed
\begin_layout Plain Layout
Doe
\end_layout
\end_inset
\end_layout

The sgml generated looks like this:

!DOCTYPE article  PUBLIC -//OASIS//DTD DocBook V4.2//EN
 [ !ENTITY % output.print.png IGNORE
!ENTITY % output.print.pdf IGNORE
!ENTITY % output.print.eps IGNORE
!ENTITY % output.print.bmp IGNORE
 ]

!-- SGML file was created by LyX 2.0.1
  See http://www.lyx.org/ for more information --
article lang=en
articleinfo
titleTitle/title
dateDate /dateauthor
firstnamedummyJoe/dummy/firstnamesurnamedummyDoe/dummy/surname/authorabstract
paraAbstract/para
/abstract/articleinfosect1
titleFirst Section/title
paraFirst paragraph./para/sect1/article


Are the dummy tags supposed to come over from the lyx doc? Is this a
docbook toolchain misconfig on Fedora's part?

TIA
Phil

lyx 2.0.1 export docbook-dvi error element DUMMY undefined

[Phil Moors]

OS: Fedora 15 (Linux)
Authoring and Publishing group installed from Fedora
lyx 2.0.1 installed from Fedora

To reproduce:
New from template-docbook_article.lyx
SaveAs test.lyx
export docbook  # this works without error
export dvi

# errors #
Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/sgml-docbook-4.2.cat
Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print
Working on: /tmp/lyx_tmpdir.TJ/lyx_tmpbuf2/test.sgml
jade:/tmp/lyx_tmpdir.TJ/lyx_tmpbuf2/test.sgml:14:17:E: element DUMMY 
undefined
jade:/tmp/lyx_tmpdir.TJ/lyx_tmpbuf2/test.sgml:14:56:E: element DUMMY 
undefined
Systemcall.cpp(259): Systemcall: 'db2dvi test.sgml' finished with exit code 8
Error: Cannot convert file

An error occurred while running:
db2dvi test.sgml
##

I get the same errors when running docbook2dvi on test.sgml.

Within test.lyx there is this (compacted):

\begin_layout Author
\begin_inset Flex Firstname
status collapsed
\begin_layout Plain Layout
Joe
\end_layout
\end_inset

\begin_inset Flex Surname
status collapsed
\begin_layout Plain Layout
Doe
\end_layout
\end_inset
\end_layout

The sgml generated looks like this:

!DOCTYPE article  PUBLIC -//OASIS//DTD DocBook V4.2//EN
 [ !ENTITY % output.print.png IGNORE
!ENTITY % output.print.pdf IGNORE
!ENTITY % output.print.eps IGNORE
!ENTITY % output.print.bmp IGNORE
 ]

!-- SGML file was created by LyX 2.0.1
  See http://www.lyx.org/ for more information --
article lang=en
articleinfo
titleTitle/title
dateDate /dateauthor
firstnamedummyJoe/dummy/firstnamesurnamedummyDoe/dummy/surname/authorabstract
paraAbstract/para
/abstract/articleinfosect1
titleFirst Section/title
paraFirst paragraph./para/sect1/article


Are the dummy tags supposed to come over from the lyx doc? Is this a
docbook toolchain misconfig on Fedora's part?

TIA
Phil

lyx 2.0.1 export docbook->dvi error element DUMMY undefined

[Phil Moors]

OS: Fedora 15 (Linux)
"Authoring and Publishing" group installed from Fedora
lyx 2.0.1 installed from Fedora

To reproduce:
New from template->docbook_article.lyx
SaveAs test.lyx
export docbook  # this works without error
export dvi

# errors #
Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/sgml-docbook-4.2.cat
Using stylesheet: /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.14/docbook-utils.dsl#print
Working on: /tmp/lyx_tmpdir.TJ/lyx_tmpbuf2/test.sgml
jade:/tmp/lyx_tmpdir.TJ/lyx_tmpbuf2/test.sgml:14:17:E: element "DUMMY" 
undefined
jade:/tmp/lyx_tmpdir.TJ/lyx_tmpbuf2/test.sgml:14:56:E: element "DUMMY" 
undefined
Systemcall.cpp(259): Systemcall: 'db2dvi "test.sgml"' finished with exit code 8
Error: Cannot convert file

An error occurred while running:
db2dvi "test.sgml"
##

I get the same errors when running docbook2dvi on test.sgml.

Within test.lyx there is this (compacted):

\begin_layout Author
\begin_inset Flex Firstname
status collapsed
\begin_layout Plain Layout
Joe
\end_layout
\end_inset

\begin_inset Flex Surname
status collapsed
\begin_layout Plain Layout
Doe
\end_layout
\end_inset
\end_layout

The sgml generated looks like this:





 ]>




Title
Date 
JoeDoe
Abstract

First Section
First paragraph.


Are the dummy tags supposed to come over from the lyx doc? Is this a
docbook toolchain misconfig on Fedora's part?

TIA
Phil

Re: DocBook informaltable dummy node

[José Matos]

On Monday 26 July 2010 11:30:42 Remy Chibois wrote:
 Hi everybody,

I am sorry really busy and just now cleaning my email list.

 I'm authoring a document using DocBook book (SGML) document class.
 
 When inserting a table using the Insert table icon from the menu bar
 and exporting to DocBook (either SGML or XML), the resulting
 file contains:
 
 [...]
 entry align=center valign=topdummySample Cell
 Content/dummy/entry [...]
 
 That is, the cell content is enclosed in a dummy tag.

That is a bug in lyx. dummy is the name given to a standard paragraph for 
the latex code, so I suspect that this name is leaking to the docbook class.

Certainly this is a bug in lyx.

 Is there any mean to avoid this ?

A workaround would be to filter the document to remove the dummy and 
dummy/ tags. The real solution is to fix the bug in the lyx code.

Could you please fill a bug in lyx so this bug does not get forgotten?

 Thank you.

Thanks,
-- 
José Abílio

Re: DocBook and Graphics

[José Matos]

On Monday 12 July 2010 13:21:25 Peter Lipp wrote:
 Hi,
 
 as a newbie I started writing a document using the docbook/chapter
 class. I can perfectly embed images, I do see them in lyx but not when I
 preview.
 
 Just to test, I changed the class to book (non-docbook), and there
 preview works perfectly.
 
 Any hints on what might be wrong and also how I could have found out
 myself are very much appreciated!

Probably you have already fixed this but here it goes. IIRC nn docbook the 
figures should go inside a frame (the graphics float in latex parlance).

 Thanks
 Peter

-- 
José Abílio

Re: DocBook informaltable dummy node

[José Matos]

On Monday 26 July 2010 11:30:42 Remy Chibois wrote:
 Hi everybody,

I am sorry really busy and just now cleaning my email list.

 I'm authoring a document using DocBook book (SGML) document class.
 
 When inserting a table using the Insert table icon from the menu bar
 and exporting to DocBook (either SGML or XML), the resulting
 file contains:
 
 [...]
 entry align=center valign=topdummySample Cell
 Content/dummy/entry [...]
 
 That is, the cell content is enclosed in a dummy tag.

That is a bug in lyx. dummy is the name given to a standard paragraph for 
the latex code, so I suspect that this name is leaking to the docbook class.

Certainly this is a bug in lyx.

 Is there any mean to avoid this ?

A workaround would be to filter the document to remove the dummy and 
dummy/ tags. The real solution is to fix the bug in the lyx code.

Could you please fill a bug in lyx so this bug does not get forgotten?

 Thank you.

Thanks,
-- 
José Abílio

Re: DocBook and Graphics

[José Matos]

On Monday 12 July 2010 13:21:25 Peter Lipp wrote:
 Hi,
 
 as a newbie I started writing a document using the docbook/chapter
 class. I can perfectly embed images, I do see them in lyx but not when I
 preview.
 
 Just to test, I changed the class to book (non-docbook), and there
 preview works perfectly.
 
 Any hints on what might be wrong and also how I could have found out
 myself are very much appreciated!

Probably you have already fixed this but here it goes. IIRC nn docbook the 
figures should go inside a frame (the graphics float in latex parlance).

 Thanks
 Peter

-- 
José Abílio

Re: DocBook informaltable dummy node

[José Matos]

On Monday 26 July 2010 11:30:42 Remy Chibois wrote:
> Hi everybody,

I am sorry really busy and just now cleaning my email list.

> I'm authoring a document using "DocBook book (SGML)" document class.
> 
> When inserting a table using the "Insert table" icon from the menu bar
> and exporting to "DocBook" (either SGML or XML), the resulting
> file contains:
> 
> [...]
> Sample Cell
> Content [...]
> 
> That is, the cell content is enclosed in a "dummy" tag.

That is a bug in lyx. "dummy" is the name given to a standard paragraph for 
the latex code, so I suspect that this name is leaking to the docbook class.

Certainly this is a bug in lyx.

> Is there any mean to avoid this ?

A workaround would be to filter the document to remove the  and 
 tags. The real solution is to fix the bug in the lyx code.

Could you please fill a bug in lyx so this bug does not get forgotten?

> Thank you.

Thanks,
-- 
José Abílio

Re: DocBook and Graphics

[José Matos]

On Monday 12 July 2010 13:21:25 Peter Lipp wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> as a newbie I started writing a document using the docbook/chapter
> class. I can perfectly embed images, I do see them in lyx but not when I
> preview.
> 
> Just to test, I changed the class to "book" (non-docbook), and there
> preview works perfectly.
> 
> Any hints on what might be wrong and also how I could have found out
> myself are very much appreciated!

Probably you have already fixed this but here it goes. IIRC nn docbook the 
figures should go inside a frame (the graphics float in latex parlance).

> Thanks
> Peter

-- 
José Abílio

Re: DocBook informaltable dummy node

[Pavel Sanda]

Remy Chibois wrote:
 Hi everybody,
 
 I'm authoring a document using DocBook book (SGML) document class.
 
 When inserting a table using the Insert table icon from the menu bar
 and exporting to DocBook (either SGML or XML), the resulting
 file contains:
 
 [...]
 entry align=center valign=topdummySample Cell Content/dummy/entry
 [...]
 
 That is, the cell content is enclosed in a dummy tag.
 
 Is there any mean to avoid this ?

please fill bug in our bug tracker...
pavel

Re: DocBook informaltable dummy node

[Pavel Sanda]

Remy Chibois wrote:
 Hi everybody,
 
 I'm authoring a document using DocBook book (SGML) document class.
 
 When inserting a table using the Insert table icon from the menu bar
 and exporting to DocBook (either SGML or XML), the resulting
 file contains:
 
 [...]
 entry align=center valign=topdummySample Cell Content/dummy/entry
 [...]
 
 That is, the cell content is enclosed in a dummy tag.
 
 Is there any mean to avoid this ?

please fill bug in our bug tracker...
pavel

Re: DocBook informaltable dummy node

[Pavel Sanda]

Remy Chibois wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I'm authoring a document using "DocBook book (SGML)" document class.
> 
> When inserting a table using the "Insert table" icon from the menu bar
> and exporting to "DocBook" (either SGML or XML), the resulting
> file contains:
> 
> [...]
> Sample Cell Content
> [...]
> 
> That is, the cell content is enclosed in a "dummy" tag.
> 
> Is there any mean to avoid this ?

please fill bug in our bug tracker...
pavel

DocBook informaltable dummy node

[Remy Chibois]

Hi everybody,

I'm authoring a document using DocBook book (SGML) document class.

When inserting a table using the Insert table icon from the menu bar
and exporting to DocBook (either SGML or XML), the resulting
file contains:

[...]
entry align=center valign=topdummySample Cell Content/dummy/entry
[...]

That is, the cell content is enclosed in a dummy tag.

Is there any mean to avoid this ?

Thank you.

-- 
Rémy Chibois

DocBook informaltable dummy node

[Remy Chibois]

Hi everybody,

I'm authoring a document using DocBook book (SGML) document class.

When inserting a table using the Insert table icon from the menu bar
and exporting to DocBook (either SGML or XML), the resulting
file contains:

[...]
entry align=center valign=topdummySample Cell Content/dummy/entry
[...]

That is, the cell content is enclosed in a dummy tag.

Is there any mean to avoid this ?

Thank you.

-- 
Rémy Chibois

DocBook informaltable dummy node

[Remy Chibois]

Hi everybody,

I'm authoring a document using "DocBook book (SGML)" document class.

When inserting a table using the "Insert table" icon from the menu bar
and exporting to "DocBook" (either SGML or XML), the resulting
file contains:

[...]
Sample Cell Content
[...]

That is, the cell content is enclosed in a "dummy" tag.

Is there any mean to avoid this ?

Thank you.

-- 
Rémy Chibois

Re: DocBook and Graphics

[Peter Lipp]

Regarding my previous question:

I now tried to execute some commands by hand, and when doing

sgmltools -b pdf filename.sgml

I get the following errors (and many more)

/usr/bin/openjade:OSFD0:3:0:E: prolog can't be omitted unless CONCUR
NO and LINK EXPLICIT NO and either IMPLYDEF ELEMENT YES or IMPLYDEF
DOCTYPE YES
/usr/bin/openjade:OSFD0:3:0:E: no document type declaration; will
parse without validation
/usr/bin/openjade:OSFD0:7:28:W: cannot generate system identifier for
general entity ldquo

Seems to be some mismatch in tool versioning. Maybe this helps you to
help me ... :-)
Peter



smime.p7s
Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: DocBook and Graphics

[Peter Lipp]

Regarding my previous question:

I now tried to execute some commands by hand, and when doing

sgmltools -b pdf filename.sgml

I get the following errors (and many more)

/usr/bin/openjade:OSFD0:3:0:E: prolog can't be omitted unless CONCUR
NO and LINK EXPLICIT NO and either IMPLYDEF ELEMENT YES or IMPLYDEF
DOCTYPE YES
/usr/bin/openjade:OSFD0:3:0:E: no document type declaration; will
parse without validation
/usr/bin/openjade:OSFD0:7:28:W: cannot generate system identifier for
general entity ldquo

Seems to be some mismatch in tool versioning. Maybe this helps you to
help me ... :-)
Peter



smime.p7s
Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: DocBook and Graphics

[Peter Lipp]

Regarding my previous question:

I now tried to execute some commands by hand, and when doing

sgmltools -b pdf filename.sgml

I get the following errors (and many more)

/usr/bin/openjade:0:3:0:E: prolog can't be omitted unless CONCUR
NO and LINK EXPLICIT NO and either IMPLYDEF ELEMENT YES or IMPLYDEF
DOCTYPE YES
/usr/bin/openjade:0:3:0:E: no document type declaration; will
parse without validation
/usr/bin/openjade:0:7:28:W: cannot generate system identifier for
general entity "ldquo"

Seems to be some mismatch in tool versioning. Maybe this helps you to
help me ... :-)
Peter



smime.p7s
Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

DocBook and Graphics

[Peter Lipp]

Hi,

as a newbie I started writing a document using the docbook/chapter
class. I can perfectly embed images, I do see them in lyx but not when I
preview.

Just to test, I changed the class to book (non-docbook), and there
preview works perfectly.

Any hints on what might be wrong and also how I could have found out
myself are very much appreciated!

Thanks
Peter



smime.p7s
Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

DocBook and Graphics

[Peter Lipp]

Hi,

as a newbie I started writing a document using the docbook/chapter
class. I can perfectly embed images, I do see them in lyx but not when I
preview.

Just to test, I changed the class to book (non-docbook), and there
preview works perfectly.

Any hints on what might be wrong and also how I could have found out
myself are very much appreciated!

Thanks
Peter



smime.p7s
Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

DocBook and Graphics

[Peter Lipp]

Hi,

as a newbie I started writing a document using the docbook/chapter
class. I can perfectly embed images, I do see them in lyx but not when I
preview.

Just to test, I changed the class to "book" (non-docbook), and there
preview works perfectly.

Any hints on what might be wrong and also how I could have found out
myself are very much appreciated!

Thanks
Peter



smime.p7s
Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: DocBook in LyX 2.0 ? (was: Re: r29997 - lyx-devel/trunk/src)

[Ethan Metsger]

On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 11:13:50 -0400, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:

its my impression that some of the problems people have to tackle now  
when
using docbook would be in fact just a few lines of code change. the  
problem is
that i basically know nothing about the issues around docbook/sgml etc.  
but it
may be easy for for people using docbook agree on what is to be changed  
wrt the

lyx output?


I actually still owe Jose an email about this--it's been sitting in my  
inbox for several months now.


We decided to use Docbook here since it's an industry standard among our  
peers, and it seemed a reasonable thing to do to stay current with them  
all.  I had hoped to spur the adoption of LyX (I've been using it for  
awhile), but it turns out that the Docbook support wasn't quite mature  
enough to get us there.


In particular, we were looking for Docbook 5.0 support, and I think that  
LyX for awhile has been stuck at 4.2.  The XML elements for 5.0 are  
somewhat different (my knowledge of 4.2 is pretty slim, so I can't say  
exactly how they differ--but I had some validation issues when doing  
document conversion).


I would think that one priority would be producing XML that complies with  
version 5.0.  I'm hardly an expert on this, but if I can be of some  
reasonable help, I'll do it.



I confess that my vision was essentially having LyX to produce PDFs that  
were easier to work with (munging stylesheets and tweaking FO output is  
not at all something I'm interested in doing, but I've had to) and XML  
that can be more easily transformed into nice HTML--something that's an  
absolute must if you're going to publish documentation in multiple forms.


If LyX could provide even a basic (but valid) output to Docbook XML (with  
minimal stylistic markup--the normal ones like emphasis, bold, code, et  
c.), transforming the HTML wouldn't be such a difficult thing using free  
toolchains.


As it stands, we use Oxygen's XML editor for writing our documentation; we  
probably won't change any time soon, but it would be fantastic if there  
were a reasonable workflow for using LyX.



Best,

Ethan
(emets...@obj-sys.com)

Re: DocBook in LyX 2.0 ? (was: Re: r29997 - lyx-devel/trunk/src)

[Ethan Metsger]

On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 11:13:50 -0400, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:

its my impression that some of the problems people have to tackle now  
when
using docbook would be in fact just a few lines of code change. the  
problem is
that i basically know nothing about the issues around docbook/sgml etc.  
but it
may be easy for for people using docbook agree on what is to be changed  
wrt the

lyx output?


I actually still owe Jose an email about this--it's been sitting in my  
inbox for several months now.


We decided to use Docbook here since it's an industry standard among our  
peers, and it seemed a reasonable thing to do to stay current with them  
all.  I had hoped to spur the adoption of LyX (I've been using it for  
awhile), but it turns out that the Docbook support wasn't quite mature  
enough to get us there.


In particular, we were looking for Docbook 5.0 support, and I think that  
LyX for awhile has been stuck at 4.2.  The XML elements for 5.0 are  
somewhat different (my knowledge of 4.2 is pretty slim, so I can't say  
exactly how they differ--but I had some validation issues when doing  
document conversion).


I would think that one priority would be producing XML that complies with  
version 5.0.  I'm hardly an expert on this, but if I can be of some  
reasonable help, I'll do it.



I confess that my vision was essentially having LyX to produce PDFs that  
were easier to work with (munging stylesheets and tweaking FO output is  
not at all something I'm interested in doing, but I've had to) and XML  
that can be more easily transformed into nice HTML--something that's an  
absolute must if you're going to publish documentation in multiple forms.


If LyX could provide even a basic (but valid) output to Docbook XML (with  
minimal stylistic markup--the normal ones like emphasis, bold, code, et  
c.), transforming the HTML wouldn't be such a difficult thing using free  
toolchains.


As it stands, we use Oxygen's XML editor for writing our documentation; we  
probably won't change any time soon, but it would be fantastic if there  
were a reasonable workflow for using LyX.



Best,

Ethan
(emets...@obj-sys.com)

Re: DocBook in LyX 2.0 ? (was: Re: r29997 - lyx-devel/trunk/src)

[Ethan Metsger]

On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 11:13:50 -0400, Pavel Sanda <sa...@lyx.org> wrote:

its my impression that some of the problems people have to tackle now  
when
using docbook would be in fact just a few lines of code change. the  
problem is
that i basically know nothing about the issues around docbook/sgml etc.  
but it
may be easy for for people using docbook agree on what is to be changed  
wrt the

lyx output?


I actually still owe Jose an email about this--it's been sitting in my  
inbox for several months now.


We decided to use Docbook here since it's an industry standard among our  
peers, and it seemed a reasonable thing to do to stay current with them  
all.  I had hoped to spur the adoption of LyX (I've been using it for  
awhile), but it turns out that the Docbook support wasn't quite mature  
enough to get us there.


In particular, we were looking for Docbook 5.0 support, and I think that  
LyX for awhile has been stuck at 4.2.  The XML elements for 5.0 are  
somewhat different (my knowledge of 4.2 is pretty slim, so I can't say  
exactly how they differ--but I had some validation issues when doing  
document conversion).


I would think that one priority would be producing XML that complies with  
version 5.0.  I'm hardly an expert on this, but if I can be of some  
reasonable help, I'll do it.



I confess that my vision was essentially having LyX to produce PDFs that  
were easier to work with (munging stylesheets and tweaking FO output is  
not at all something I'm interested in doing, but I've had to) and XML  
that can be more easily transformed into nice HTML--something that's an  
absolute must if you're going to publish documentation in multiple forms.


If LyX could provide even a basic (but valid) output to Docbook XML (with  
minimal stylistic markup--the normal ones like emphasis, bold, code, et  
c.), transforming the HTML wouldn't be such a difficult thing using free  
toolchains.


As it stands, we use Oxygen's XML editor for writing our documentation; we  
probably won't change any time soon, but it would be fantastic if there  
were a reasonable workflow for using LyX.



Best,

Ethan
(emets...@obj-sys.com)

DocBook in LyX 2.0 ? (was: Re: r29997 - lyx-devel/trunk/src)

[Pavel Sanda]

rgh...@lyx.org wrote:
 Author: rgheck
 Date: Sat Jun  6 16:29:24 2009
 New Revision: 29997
 URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/29997
 
 Log:
 Add a note about docbook() problems.

while we are it - i just quickly browsed through the few links about hacking 
docbook
output of lyx listed in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocBook.

its my impression that some of the problems people have to tackle now when
using docbook would be in fact just a few lines of code change. the problem is
that i basically know nothing about the issues around docbook/sgml etc. but it
may be easy for for people using docbook agree on what is to be changed wrt the
lyx output?

i'm thus CC-ing the people for which i have found mails - docbook folks if you
want a little better support of docbook in lyx 2.0 this is the right time to
give us some advices while we are focused on the output issues of html which
are kind of parallel.

pavel

Re: DocBook in LyX 2.0 ?

[rgheck]

Pavel Sanda wrote:

rgh...@lyx.org wrote:
  

Author: rgheck
Date: Sat Jun  6 16:29:24 2009
New Revision: 29997
URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/29997

Log:
Add a note about docbook() problems.



while we are it - i just quickly browsed through the few links about hacking 
docbook
output of lyx listed in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocBook.

its my impression that some of the problems people have to tackle now when
using docbook would be in fact just a few lines of code change. the problem is
that i basically know nothing about the issues around docbook/sgml etc. but it
may be easy for for people using docbook agree on what is to be changed wrt the
lyx output?

i'm thus CC-ing the people for which i have found mails - docbook folks if you
want a little better support of docbook in lyx 2.0 this is the right time to
give us some advices while we are focused on the output issues of html which
are kind of parallel.

  
Thanks for doing this. It's a good idea to try to tackle both these 
problems. In many cases, the only real question is: What should the 
output look like? Making it look like that isn't hard, once you have a 
sense for how the output routines work.


rh

DocBook in LyX 2.0 ? (was: Re: r29997 - lyx-devel/trunk/src)

[Pavel Sanda]

rgh...@lyx.org wrote:
 Author: rgheck
 Date: Sat Jun  6 16:29:24 2009
 New Revision: 29997
 URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/29997
 
 Log:
 Add a note about docbook() problems.

while we are it - i just quickly browsed through the few links about hacking 
docbook
output of lyx listed in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocBook.

its my impression that some of the problems people have to tackle now when
using docbook would be in fact just a few lines of code change. the problem is
that i basically know nothing about the issues around docbook/sgml etc. but it
may be easy for for people using docbook agree on what is to be changed wrt the
lyx output?

i'm thus CC-ing the people for which i have found mails - docbook folks if you
want a little better support of docbook in lyx 2.0 this is the right time to
give us some advices while we are focused on the output issues of html which
are kind of parallel.

pavel

Re: DocBook in LyX 2.0 ?

[rgheck]

Pavel Sanda wrote:

rgh...@lyx.org wrote:
  

Author: rgheck
Date: Sat Jun  6 16:29:24 2009
New Revision: 29997
URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/29997

Log:
Add a note about docbook() problems.



while we are it - i just quickly browsed through the few links about hacking 
docbook
output of lyx listed in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocBook.

its my impression that some of the problems people have to tackle now when
using docbook would be in fact just a few lines of code change. the problem is
that i basically know nothing about the issues around docbook/sgml etc. but it
may be easy for for people using docbook agree on what is to be changed wrt the
lyx output?

i'm thus CC-ing the people for which i have found mails - docbook folks if you
want a little better support of docbook in lyx 2.0 this is the right time to
give us some advices while we are focused on the output issues of html which
are kind of parallel.

  
Thanks for doing this. It's a good idea to try to tackle both these 
problems. In many cases, the only real question is: What should the 
output look like? Making it look like that isn't hard, once you have a 
sense for how the output routines work.


rh

DocBook in LyX 2.0 ? (was: Re: r29997 - lyx-devel/trunk/src)

[Pavel Sanda]

rgh...@lyx.org wrote:
> Author: rgheck
> Date: Sat Jun  6 16:29:24 2009
> New Revision: 29997
> URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/29997
> 
> Log:
> Add a note about docbook() problems.

while we are it - i just quickly browsed through the few links about hacking 
docbook
output of lyx listed in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocBook.

its my impression that some of the problems people have to tackle now when
using docbook would be in fact just a few lines of code change. the problem is
that i basically know nothing about the issues around docbook/sgml etc. but it
may be easy for for people using docbook agree on what is to be changed wrt the
lyx output?

i'm thus CC-ing the people for which i have found mails - docbook folks if you
want a little better support of docbook in lyx 2.0 this is the right time to
give us some advices while we are focused on the output issues of html which
are kind of parallel.

pavel

Re: DocBook in LyX 2.0 ?

[rgheck]

Pavel Sanda wrote:

rgh...@lyx.org wrote:
  

Author: rgheck
Date: Sat Jun  6 16:29:24 2009
New Revision: 29997
URL: http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/29997

Log:
Add a note about docbook() problems.



while we are it - i just quickly browsed through the few links about hacking 
docbook
output of lyx listed in http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocBook.

its my impression that some of the problems people have to tackle now when
using docbook would be in fact just a few lines of code change. the problem is
that i basically know nothing about the issues around docbook/sgml etc. but it
may be easy for for people using docbook agree on what is to be changed wrt the
lyx output?

i'm thus CC-ing the people for which i have found mails - docbook folks if you
want a little better support of docbook in lyx 2.0 this is the right time to
give us some advices while we are focused on the output issues of html which
are kind of parallel.

  
Thanks for doing this. It's a good idea to try to tackle both these 
problems. In many cases, the only real question is: What should the 
output look like? Making it look like that isn't hard, once you have a 
sense for how the output routines work.


rh

Re: Lyx and DocBook

[Pavel Sanda]

Richard Heck wrote:
 This mailing lists contains occasional requests for help, but not too much
 information.  If it wasn't for the information at
 http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/lyx-and-docbookXML I would have 
 concluded
 that DocBook support in Lyx had been effectively abandoned.

   
 No, it still exists. Not many people use it, though, so how current it is, 
 etc, is unclear. That said, however, there are some developers who pay 
 attention to DocBook, and I think it's intended that it be usable.

frankly, docbook in lyx is _effectively_ abandoned for a long time.
i can't remember anybody working on this field during last few years
- the only activity are the manuals how to bypass lyx problems by
third party tools and hopeless call for help from time to time on this
list ;)

out of curiosity i just crawled through logs and commits with comments like
 * src/insets/InsetFloat.{cpp, h}:
- let nested floats be subfloats
NOTE: docbook support is missing.

make me wonder how many newer lyx parts are able to cope with docbook at all :)
pavel

Re: Lyx and DocBook

[Pavel Sanda]

Richard Heck wrote:
 This mailing lists contains occasional requests for help, but not too much
 information.  If it wasn't for the information at
 http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/lyx-and-docbookXML I would have 
 concluded
 that DocBook support in Lyx had been effectively abandoned.

   
 No, it still exists. Not many people use it, though, so how current it is, 
 etc, is unclear. That said, however, there are some developers who pay 
 attention to DocBook, and I think it's intended that it be usable.

frankly, docbook in lyx is _effectively_ abandoned for a long time.
i can't remember anybody working on this field during last few years
- the only activity are the manuals how to bypass lyx problems by
third party tools and hopeless call for help from time to time on this
list ;)

out of curiosity i just crawled through logs and commits with comments like
 * src/insets/InsetFloat.{cpp, h}:
- let nested floats be subfloats
NOTE: docbook support is missing.

make me wonder how many newer lyx parts are able to cope with docbook at all :)
pavel

Re: Lyx and DocBook

[Pavel Sanda]

Richard Heck wrote:
>> This mailing lists contains occasional requests for help, but not too much
>> information.  If it wasn't for the information at
>> http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/lyx-and-docbookXML I would have 
>> concluded
>> that DocBook support in Lyx had been effectively abandoned.
>>
>>   
> No, it still exists. Not many people use it, though, so how current it is, 
> etc, is unclear. That said, however, there are some developers who pay 
> attention to DocBook, and I think it's intended that it be usable.

frankly, docbook in lyx is _effectively_ abandoned for a long time.
i can't remember anybody working on this field during last few years
- the only activity are the manuals how to bypass lyx problems by
third party tools and hopeless call for help from time to time on this
list ;)

out of curiosity i just crawled through logs and commits with comments like
 * src/insets/InsetFloat.{cpp, h}:
    - let nested floats be subfloats
NOTE: docbook support is missing.

make me wonder how many newer lyx parts are able to cope with docbook at all :)
pavel

Re: Lyx and DocBook

[Nikos Alexandris]

Ian:
  It also lists Lyx which seems a mature and usable tool for Latex,
  and produces highly attractive PDF documents.  I read though that getting
  attractive HTML out of it is difficult.

Richard:
 I''m getting good results out of the new tool ELyXer.
 http://wiki.lyx.org/Tools/ELyXer

Me too! It's the first time ever I get something useful.


 There have been a couple of threads about ELyXer on this mailing list.
 It's new and has some limitations. For instance, no TOC generation
 yet.

 However, the tool's author, Alex Fernandez, really likes getting
 challenging documents and making ELyXer work with them.

I second that comment :-)

Kindest regards, Nikos

Re: Lyx and DocBook

[Nikos Alexandris]

Ian:
  It also lists Lyx which seems a mature and usable tool for Latex,
  and produces highly attractive PDF documents.  I read though that getting
  attractive HTML out of it is difficult.

Richard:
 I''m getting good results out of the new tool ELyXer.
 http://wiki.lyx.org/Tools/ELyXer

Me too! It's the first time ever I get something useful.


 There have been a couple of threads about ELyXer on this mailing list.
 It's new and has some limitations. For instance, no TOC generation
 yet.

 However, the tool's author, Alex Fernandez, really likes getting
 challenging documents and making ELyXer work with them.

I second that comment :-)

Kindest regards, Nikos

Re: Lyx and DocBook

[Nikos Alexandris]

Ian:
> > It also lists Lyx which seems a mature and usable tool for Latex,
> > and produces highly attractive PDF documents.  I read though that getting
> > attractive HTML out of it is difficult.

Richard:
> I''m getting good results out of the new tool ELyXer.
> http://wiki.lyx.org/Tools/ELyXer

Me too! It's the first time ever I get something useful.


> There have been a couple of threads about ELyXer on this mailing list.
> It's new and has some limitations. For instance, no TOC generation
> yet.

> However, the tool's author, Alex Fernandez, really likes getting
> challenging documents and making ELyXer work with them.

I second that comment :-)

Kindest regards, Nikos

Lyx and DocBook

[Ian S. Worthington]

I'm trying to find a content markup system (authoring and processing) that can
output to various formats. Something which can be both viewed and printed,
such as PDF, is probably a must, and something easily accessed online, such as
HTML is close behind.  If I could also produce CHM (or similar) Windows help
files that would be nice too.

I come from a IBM BookMaster background so I'm comfortable with content
markup, and don't really need an authoring tool to work with it.  DocBook
seems to fit most of my needs but the markup syntax is user-hostile.  The
DocBook wiki points to a number of authoring tools, most of which are just
generic XML editors.  The only DocBook-specific tool there verges on the
unusable.  It also lists Lyx which seems a mature and usable tool for Latex,
and produces highly attractive PDF documents.  I read though that getting
attractive HTML out of it is difficult.

If I understand correctly I have to choose a target language for Lyx from the
start:  I can't start off with Latex and then later decide to I want to target
DocBook, for example.

So having got Lyx installed I'm looking in more detail at DocBook.  A lot of
the information seems to be out of date.  There's a Lyx-to-X project that only
works up to v1.2.0 of Lyx, and some old discussions on various sites of
needing sgmltools, sgmltools-lite, or maybe sgmltools2, which appear to have
been abandoned some years ago.

This mailing lists contains occasional requests for help, but not too much
information.  If it wasn't for the information at
http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/lyx-and-docbookXML I would have concluded
that DocBook support in Lyx had been effectively abandoned.

I wonder then if someone could help me with the following:
 
1. Am I right in my thinking that if I want good quality HTML and potentially
CHM output, as well as PDF, then DocBook is the way to go rather than Latex?

2. And that if I want DocBook, then I need to be using that from the start?

3. Is DocBook development in Lyx abandonded or is it just quiet for the
moment?

4. Is there any documentation on what a user of the latest version of Lyx has
to do to resolve the unavailable class messages when using DocBook, and what
they need to install in 2009 to get output from it.

Thanks,

i

Re: Lyx and DocBook

[Richard Talley]

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Ian S. Worthington
ianworthing...@usa.net wrote:

 It also lists Lyx which seems a mature and usable tool for Latex,
 and produces highly attractive PDF documents.  I read though that getting
 attractive HTML out of it is difficult.


I''m getting good results out of the new tool ELyXer.

http://wiki.lyx.org/Tools/ELyXer

There have been a couple of threads about ELyXer on this mailing list.
It's new and has some limitations. For instance, no TOC generation
yet.

However, the tool's author, Alex Fernandez, really likes getting
challenging documents and making ELyXer work with them.

-- Rich

Re: Lyx and DocBook

[rgheck]

Ian S. Worthington wrote:

If I understand correctly I have to choose a target language for Lyx from the
start:  I can't start off with Latex and then later decide to I want to target
DocBook, for example.

  
No, you can switch the documents. There may be some issues about how 
different bits of formatting get converted that will make things easier 
or more difficult. But these can often be resolved using an external 
script of some sort (sed, awk, perl, etc).



This mailing lists contains occasional requests for help, but not too much
information.  If it wasn't for the information at
http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/lyx-and-docbookXML I would have concluded
that DocBook support in Lyx had been effectively abandoned.

  
No, it still exists. Not many people use it, though, so how current it 
is, etc, is unclear. That said, however, there are some developers who 
pay attention to DocBook, and I think it's intended that it be usable.



I wonder then if someone could help me with the following:
 
1. Am I right in my thinking that if I want good quality HTML and potentially

CHM output, as well as PDF, then DocBook is the way to go rather than Latex?

  
Possibly, though there are a lot of options for HTML now. You might 
check out plastex, which looks to me to be the most promising.



2. And that if I want DocBook, then I need to be using that from the start?

  

Not necessarily. See above.


3. Is DocBook development in Lyx abandonded or is it just quiet for the moment?

  
See above again. Though perhaps it's worth my saying what DocBook 
development is. There are just two aspects to it: (i) The DocBook 
layouts; (ii) the DocBook output routines. Both of these could be worked 
on by newbies, to some extent, certainly the layouts and very probably 
the output routines.



4. Is there any documentation on what a user of the latest version of Lyx has
to do to resolve the unavailable class messages when using DocBook, and what
they need to install in 2009 to get output from it.

  
I'm not sure. But looking at configure.py, it seems that you need 
sgmltools installed, or else db2dvi or db2html.


I'm cc'ing Martin Vermeer, as I think he knows about this

Richard



Thanks,

i






  

Lyx and DocBook

[Ian S. Worthington]

I'm trying to find a content markup system (authoring and processing) that can
output to various formats. Something which can be both viewed and printed,
such as PDF, is probably a must, and something easily accessed online, such as
HTML is close behind.  If I could also produce CHM (or similar) Windows help
files that would be nice too.

I come from a IBM BookMaster background so I'm comfortable with content
markup, and don't really need an authoring tool to work with it.  DocBook
seems to fit most of my needs but the markup syntax is user-hostile.  The
DocBook wiki points to a number of authoring tools, most of which are just
generic XML editors.  The only DocBook-specific tool there verges on the
unusable.  It also lists Lyx which seems a mature and usable tool for Latex,
and produces highly attractive PDF documents.  I read though that getting
attractive HTML out of it is difficult.

If I understand correctly I have to choose a target language for Lyx from the
start:  I can't start off with Latex and then later decide to I want to target
DocBook, for example.

So having got Lyx installed I'm looking in more detail at DocBook.  A lot of
the information seems to be out of date.  There's a Lyx-to-X project that only
works up to v1.2.0 of Lyx, and some old discussions on various sites of
needing sgmltools, sgmltools-lite, or maybe sgmltools2, which appear to have
been abandoned some years ago.

This mailing lists contains occasional requests for help, but not too much
information.  If it wasn't for the information at
http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/lyx-and-docbookXML I would have concluded
that DocBook support in Lyx had been effectively abandoned.

I wonder then if someone could help me with the following:
 
1. Am I right in my thinking that if I want good quality HTML and potentially
CHM output, as well as PDF, then DocBook is the way to go rather than Latex?

2. And that if I want DocBook, then I need to be using that from the start?

3. Is DocBook development in Lyx abandonded or is it just quiet for the
moment?

4. Is there any documentation on what a user of the latest version of Lyx has
to do to resolve the unavailable class messages when using DocBook, and what
they need to install in 2009 to get output from it.

Thanks,

i

Re: Lyx and DocBook

[Richard Talley]

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Ian S. Worthington
ianworthing...@usa.net wrote:

 It also lists Lyx which seems a mature and usable tool for Latex,
 and produces highly attractive PDF documents.  I read though that getting
 attractive HTML out of it is difficult.


I''m getting good results out of the new tool ELyXer.

http://wiki.lyx.org/Tools/ELyXer

There have been a couple of threads about ELyXer on this mailing list.
It's new and has some limitations. For instance, no TOC generation
yet.

However, the tool's author, Alex Fernandez, really likes getting
challenging documents and making ELyXer work with them.

-- Rich

Re: Lyx and DocBook

[rgheck]

Ian S. Worthington wrote:

If I understand correctly I have to choose a target language for Lyx from the
start:  I can't start off with Latex and then later decide to I want to target
DocBook, for example.

  
No, you can switch the documents. There may be some issues about how 
different bits of formatting get converted that will make things easier 
or more difficult. But these can often be resolved using an external 
script of some sort (sed, awk, perl, etc).



This mailing lists contains occasional requests for help, but not too much
information.  If it wasn't for the information at
http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/lyx-and-docbookXML I would have concluded
that DocBook support in Lyx had been effectively abandoned.

  
No, it still exists. Not many people use it, though, so how current it 
is, etc, is unclear. That said, however, there are some developers who 
pay attention to DocBook, and I think it's intended that it be usable.



I wonder then if someone could help me with the following:
 
1. Am I right in my thinking that if I want good quality HTML and potentially

CHM output, as well as PDF, then DocBook is the way to go rather than Latex?

  
Possibly, though there are a lot of options for HTML now. You might 
check out plastex, which looks to me to be the most promising.



2. And that if I want DocBook, then I need to be using that from the start?

  

Not necessarily. See above.


3. Is DocBook development in Lyx abandonded or is it just quiet for the moment?

  
See above again. Though perhaps it's worth my saying what DocBook 
development is. There are just two aspects to it: (i) The DocBook 
layouts; (ii) the DocBook output routines. Both of these could be worked 
on by newbies, to some extent, certainly the layouts and very probably 
the output routines.



4. Is there any documentation on what a user of the latest version of Lyx has
to do to resolve the unavailable class messages when using DocBook, and what
they need to install in 2009 to get output from it.

  
I'm not sure. But looking at configure.py, it seems that you need 
sgmltools installed, or else db2dvi or db2html.


I'm cc'ing Martin Vermeer, as I think he knows about this

Richard



Thanks,

i






  

Lyx and DocBook

[Ian S. Worthington]

I'm trying to find a content markup system (authoring and processing) that can
output to various formats. Something which can be both viewed and printed,
such as PDF, is probably a must, and something easily accessed online, such as
HTML is close behind.  If I could also produce CHM (or similar) Windows help
files that would be nice too.

I come from a IBM BookMaster background so I'm comfortable with content
markup, and don't really need an authoring tool to work with it.  DocBook
seems to fit most of my needs but the markup syntax is user-hostile.  The
DocBook wiki points to a number of authoring tools, most of which are just
generic XML editors.  The only DocBook-specific tool there verges on the
unusable.  It also lists Lyx which seems a mature and usable tool for Latex,
and produces highly attractive PDF documents.  I read though that getting
attractive HTML out of it is difficult.

If I understand correctly I have to choose a target language for Lyx from the
start:  I can't start off with Latex and then later decide to I want to target
DocBook, for example.

So having got Lyx installed I'm looking in more detail at DocBook.  A lot of
the information seems to be out of date.  There's a Lyx-to-X project that only
works up to v1.2.0 of Lyx, and some old discussions on various sites of
needing sgmltools, sgmltools-lite, or maybe sgmltools2, which appear to have
been abandoned some years ago.

This mailing lists contains occasional requests for help, but not too much
information.  If it wasn't for the information at
http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/lyx-and-docbookXML I would have concluded
that DocBook support in Lyx had been effectively abandoned.

I wonder then if someone could help me with the following:
 
1. Am I right in my thinking that if I want good quality HTML and potentially
CHM output, as well as PDF, then DocBook is the way to go rather than Latex?

2. And that if I want DocBook, then I need to be using that from the start?

3. Is DocBook development in Lyx abandonded or is it just quiet for the
moment?

4. Is there any documentation on what a user of the latest version of Lyx has
to do to resolve the "unavailable class" messages when using DocBook, and what
they need to install in 2009 to get output from it.

Thanks,

i

Re: Lyx and DocBook

[Richard Talley]

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Ian S. Worthington
 wrote:
>
> It also lists Lyx which seems a mature and usable tool for Latex,
> and produces highly attractive PDF documents.  I read though that getting
> attractive HTML out of it is difficult.
>

I''m getting good results out of the new tool ELyXer.

http://wiki.lyx.org/Tools/ELyXer

There have been a couple of threads about ELyXer on this mailing list.
It's new and has some limitations. For instance, no TOC generation
yet.

However, the tool's author, Alex Fernandez, really likes getting
challenging documents and making ELyXer work with them.

-- Rich

Re: Lyx and DocBook

[rgheck]

Ian S. Worthington wrote:

If I understand correctly I have to choose a target language for Lyx from the
start:  I can't start off with Latex and then later decide to I want to target
DocBook, for example.

  
No, you can switch the documents. There may be some issues about how 
different bits of formatting get converted that will make things easier 
or more difficult. But these can often be resolved using an external 
script of some sort (sed, awk, perl, etc).



This mailing lists contains occasional requests for help, but not too much
information.  If it wasn't for the information at
http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/lyx-and-docbookXML I would have concluded
that DocBook support in Lyx had been effectively abandoned.

  
No, it still exists. Not many people use it, though, so how current it 
is, etc, is unclear. That said, however, there are some developers who 
pay attention to DocBook, and I think it's intended that it be usable.



I wonder then if someone could help me with the following:
 
1. Am I right in my thinking that if I want good quality HTML and potentially

CHM output, as well as PDF, then DocBook is the way to go rather than Latex?

  
Possibly, though there are a lot of options for HTML now. You might 
check out plastex, which looks to me to be the most promising.



2. And that if I want DocBook, then I need to be using that from the start?

  

Not necessarily. See above.


3. Is DocBook development in Lyx abandonded or is it just quiet for the moment?

  
See above again. Though perhaps it's worth my saying what "DocBook 
development" is. There are just two aspects to it: (i) The DocBook 
layouts; (ii) the DocBook output routines. Both of these could be worked 
on by newbies, to some extent, certainly the layouts and very probably 
the output routines.



4. Is there any documentation on what a user of the latest version of Lyx has
to do to resolve the "unavailable class" messages when using DocBook, and what
they need to install in 2009 to get output from it.

  
I'm not sure. But looking at configure.py, it seems that you need 
sgmltools installed, or else db2dvi or db2html.


I'm cc'ing Martin Vermeer, as I think he knows about this

Richard



Thanks,

i






  

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[José Matos]

On Wednesday 26 November 2008 20:13:29 Ethan Metsger wrote:
 On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:48:26 -0500, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I would have done before if I had not been victim of a cold. :-)

 I'm currently recovering from one, too--no worries about the delay.

  What are the problems that you have encountered. I am interested to fix
  them
  in both the stable and the development series.
 
  I am specially interested in the problems you are having with the xml
  generated docbook.

 I'll file some bug reports (and throw them back in this thread), but in

Please do.

 general it looks like the book tag is improperly generated (using
 'lang=EN_US' appears to be invalid), and I have not been able to get

OK, the right language should be EN, I thought I had this working, I will 
fix it. The best fix would probably to have a list of supported stylesheet 
languages and if necessary return the nearest.

 graphics properly embedded in the HTML output.  The authorinfo section
 is also not properly outputted; I suspect this can be fixed pretty easily
 by layout changes, but I'm not sure.

A better error handling would allow to understand what the error is.

 The user-customized preamble is put into the doctype declaration, too--I
 don't really consider this a bug, but I was a little surprised to find it
 in the output.

The rationale is that is the only place where you can define entities. This is 
more or less the analog of latex preamble although you do more in latex than 
just to define constants.

 LyX is also a few revisions behind in its DocBook support, at least
 according to the doctype (I think 4.4 is the last 4.x revision, and 5.x is
 current; the generated XML says that it's using 4.2).

That can be easily changed in the layout file. I should have updated the 
layout before the last update to 1.6.0. Again one of the problems it that this 
is not documented.

 I've used both the sgmltools package and the sgml2x package.  I'll make
 sure to describe the pertinent information in the bugzilla filings when
 the time comes, as the two seem to work slightly differently.

 Thanks again for all your hard work, guys; I really do appreciate it.

Thanks,

 Best,

 Ethan
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

-- 
José Abílio

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[José Matos]

On Wednesday 26 November 2008 20:13:29 Ethan Metsger wrote:
 On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:48:26 -0500, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I would have done before if I had not been victim of a cold. :-)

 I'm currently recovering from one, too--no worries about the delay.

  What are the problems that you have encountered. I am interested to fix
  them
  in both the stable and the development series.
 
  I am specially interested in the problems you are having with the xml
  generated docbook.

 I'll file some bug reports (and throw them back in this thread), but in

Please do.

 general it looks like the book tag is improperly generated (using
 'lang=EN_US' appears to be invalid), and I have not been able to get

OK, the right language should be EN, I thought I had this working, I will 
fix it. The best fix would probably to have a list of supported stylesheet 
languages and if necessary return the nearest.

 graphics properly embedded in the HTML output.  The authorinfo section
 is also not properly outputted; I suspect this can be fixed pretty easily
 by layout changes, but I'm not sure.

A better error handling would allow to understand what the error is.

 The user-customized preamble is put into the doctype declaration, too--I
 don't really consider this a bug, but I was a little surprised to find it
 in the output.

The rationale is that is the only place where you can define entities. This is 
more or less the analog of latex preamble although you do more in latex than 
just to define constants.

 LyX is also a few revisions behind in its DocBook support, at least
 according to the doctype (I think 4.4 is the last 4.x revision, and 5.x is
 current; the generated XML says that it's using 4.2).

That can be easily changed in the layout file. I should have updated the 
layout before the last update to 1.6.0. Again one of the problems it that this 
is not documented.

 I've used both the sgmltools package and the sgml2x package.  I'll make
 sure to describe the pertinent information in the bugzilla filings when
 the time comes, as the two seem to work slightly differently.

 Thanks again for all your hard work, guys; I really do appreciate it.

Thanks,

 Best,

 Ethan
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

-- 
José Abílio

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[José Matos]

On Wednesday 26 November 2008 20:13:29 Ethan Metsger wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:48:26 -0500, José Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I would have done before if I had not been victim of a cold. :-)
>
> I'm currently recovering from one, too--no worries about the delay.
>
> > What are the problems that you have encountered. I am interested to fix
> > them
> > in both the stable and the development series.
> >
> > I am specially interested in the problems you are having with the xml
> > generated docbook.
>
> I'll file some bug reports (and throw them back in this thread), but in

Please do.

> general it looks like the  tag is improperly generated (using
> 'lang="EN_US"' appears to be invalid), and I have not been able to get

OK, the right language should be "EN", I thought I had this working, I will 
fix it. The best fix would probably to have a list of supported stylesheet 
languages and if necessary return the nearest.

> graphics properly embedded in the HTML output.  The  section
> is also not properly outputted; I suspect this can be fixed pretty easily
> by layout changes, but I'm not sure.

A better error handling would allow to understand what the error is.

> The user-customized preamble is put into the doctype declaration, too--I
> don't really consider this a bug, but I was a little surprised to find it
> in the output.

The rationale is that is the only place where you can define entities. This is 
more or less the analog of latex preamble although you do more in latex than 
just to define constants.

> LyX is also a few revisions behind in its DocBook support, at least
> according to the doctype (I think 4.4 is the last 4.x revision, and 5.x is
> current; the generated XML says that it's using 4.2).

That can be easily changed in the layout file. I should have updated the 
layout before the last update to 1.6.0. Again one of the problems it that this 
is not documented.

> I've used both the sgmltools package and the sgml2x package.  I'll make
> sure to describe the pertinent information in the bugzilla filings when
> the time comes, as the two seem to work slightly differently.
>
> Thanks again for all your hard work, guys; I really do appreciate it.

Thanks,

> Best,
>
> Ethan
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

-- 
José Abílio

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[José Matos]

On Friday 21 November 2008 16:18:35 Ethan Metsger wrote:
 Hi, all.

 I promise I'll be quiet after this post--I don't mean to pester (or imply  
 by any stretch that I'm unhappy with LyX in general!).  But can anyone  
 comment on this?

I would have done before if I had not been victim of a cold. :-)

 For what it's worth, I really do like LyX, and I'm not trying to troll or  
 put on anyone.  I'm just curious about the capabilities and hoping not a  
 little to spur its adoption among my general work populace.

What are the problems that you have encountered. I am interested to fix them 
in both the stable and the development series.

I am specially interested in the problems you are having with the xml 
generated docbook.

 Thanks again,

 Ethan

-- 
José Abílio

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[Ethan Metsger]

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:48:26 -0500, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I would have done before if I had not been victim of a cold. :-)


I'm currently recovering from one, too--no worries about the delay.

What are the problems that you have encountered. I am interested to fix  
them

in both the stable and the development series.

I am specially interested in the problems you are having with the xml
generated docbook.


I'll file some bug reports (and throw them back in this thread), but in  
general it looks like the book tag is improperly generated (using  
'lang=EN_US' appears to be invalid), and I have not been able to get  
graphics properly embedded in the HTML output.  The authorinfo section  
is also not properly outputted; I suspect this can be fixed pretty easily  
by layout changes, but I'm not sure.


The user-customized preamble is put into the doctype declaration, too--I  
don't really consider this a bug, but I was a little surprised to find it  
in the output.


LyX is also a few revisions behind in its DocBook support, at least  
according to the doctype (I think 4.4 is the last 4.x revision, and 5.x is  
current; the generated XML says that it's using 4.2).


I've used both the sgmltools package and the sgml2x package.  I'll make  
sure to describe the pertinent information in the bugzilla filings when  
the time comes, as the two seem to work slightly differently.


Thanks again for all your hard work, guys; I really do appreciate it.

Best,

Ethan
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[José Matos]

On Friday 21 November 2008 16:18:35 Ethan Metsger wrote:
 Hi, all.

 I promise I'll be quiet after this post--I don't mean to pester (or imply  
 by any stretch that I'm unhappy with LyX in general!).  But can anyone  
 comment on this?

I would have done before if I had not been victim of a cold. :-)

 For what it's worth, I really do like LyX, and I'm not trying to troll or  
 put on anyone.  I'm just curious about the capabilities and hoping not a  
 little to spur its adoption among my general work populace.

What are the problems that you have encountered. I am interested to fix them 
in both the stable and the development series.

I am specially interested in the problems you are having with the xml 
generated docbook.

 Thanks again,

 Ethan

-- 
José Abílio