subject:"RE\: Thesis"

Re: Thesis in Spanish using Lyx

2016-04-11 Thread Michael Berger

Andre Miede's classicthesis-LyX-v4.1 is the most excellent template for 
scientific theses I have come across. Its format is beautiful and the 
layout is nicely structured.
It uses the master-child concept and is thus also predestined for large 
documents.

However, you may find it a bit challenging.
It also has some special advice for use with the Spanish language.
So, if your Mexican student is a bit daring he should download it and 
have a look.


http://www.miede.de/

Good luck,
Michael Berger


On 04/11/2016 06:43 PM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
We have a Mexican in our house working on his linguistic PhD Thesis to 
be published in Spanish. He would like to use Lyx. Anybody who could 
help him with a template especially for the first pages (ideally: 
Tübingen University, Germany).

Wolfgang

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-09 Thread PhilipPirrip

Remember that the commands in LaTeX are just macros, they collect any 
text and expand it where needed.


What you need is a command in the preamble of your LyX document of this 
kind:


\degree{Master of Science\\ \vspace{\baselineskip} in\\ 
\vspace{\baselineskip} Nuclear Engineering}



As I said, commands containing a @ have only been made for internal 
class use, they are not in user space.

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-09 Thread PhilipPirrip

Remember that the commands in LaTeX are just macros, they collect any 
text and expand it where needed.


What you need is a command in the preamble of your LyX document of this 
kind:


\degree{Master of Science\\ \vspace{\baselineskip} in\\ 
\vspace{\baselineskip} Nuclear Engineering}



As I said, commands containing a @ have only been made for internal 
class use, they are not in user space.

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-09 Thread PhilipPirrip

Remember that the commands in LaTeX are just macros, they collect any 
text and expand it where needed.


What you need is a command in the preamble of your LyX document of this 
kind:


\degree{Master of Science\\ \vspace{\baselineskip} in\\ 
\vspace{\baselineskip} Nuclear Engineering}



As I said, commands containing a @ have only been made for internal 
class use, they are not in user space.

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-04 Thread Steve Burnham



On June 3, 2014 at 17:26:57 PM, PhilipPirrip (p...@net.hr) wrote:

Use  
Insert  Formatting  Vertical space instead of just adding empty lines.  
Then, VFill is a stretchable vertical space that could help you keep the  
things on one page.  


This would work if the cover page was actually written in LyX but instead it is 
defined in the class file.  I specify the degree type in the preamble .  I 
manage to remove the blank page being created but the way the degree is defined 
in the class I am not sure how to break it up.

      {
        \vss
        A \@thesistype ~submitted to the faculty of\\ 
        The University of Utah\\ 
        in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the degree of
        \vss
      }
      \@degree \\

You can see the \@degree\\ simply takes what is written in the preamble and 
pastes in there as one line rather than “Master of Science” double space “In” 
double space “Nuclear Engineering”  I managed to get it formatted properly by 
adding the following in the class file after \@degree \\

 \@degree \\
  \mbox{} \\
  in \\
  \mbox{} \\
  Nuclear Engineering \\
  \mbox{} \\

I would like to make this a little more robust and allow for others to use the 
class file without having to edit it as much as I have.  In the preamble I 
specify the degree by entering after the \degree{} entry so I tried to add 
something like \degreein{} where someone can enter the information and replaced 
“Nuclear Engineering” in the class file with \@degreein but I get compile 
errors.  Is there a better way to go about this?

-Steve

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-04 Thread PhilipPirrip

It's hard to guess what you're supposed to have without knowing anything 
about your latex class.
What's obvious from the excerpt you've given is that \@degree is meant 
to be an internal command of the class (because of the @). There must be 
some part of the class file that fills the \@degree command with user's 
data.


Where can we find the class file?

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-04 Thread Benedict Holland

Would you be willing to do this in ERT? I find that the first page, cover
page, etc. are notoriously difficult to get correctly specified in Lyx. The
ERT would be someting like
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/819/double-line-spacing

Also, it might be linebreak but I think it should be newline. Honestly, I
find that if I have to edit or modify class files and the like, I just find
a library to do it for me and write it up in latex. It seems to be much
easier that way.

\usepackage{setspace}
\begin{centering}
\doublespacing

Masters of Science \newline
in \newline
Nuclear Engineering \newline

\end{centering}

~Ben


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Steve Burnham dan...@gmail.com wrote:

 On June 4, 2014 at 12:50:48 PM, PhilipPirrip (p...@net.hr) wrote:

 It's hard to guess what you're supposed to have without knowing anything
 about your latex class.
 What's obvious from the excerpt you've given is that \@degree is meant
 to be an internal command of the class (because of the @). There must be
 some part of the class file that fills the \@degree command with user's
 data.

 Where can we find the class file?



 I’m attaching the class file.  Starting at line 1351 is where I made my
 modifications.  I guess I don’t fully understand how to use the @ command.
  It sounds like I have to define it first earlier in the class file before
 I can add it to my preamble to be defined?

 -Steve

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-04 Thread Steve Burnham

On June 4, 2014 at 15:32:27 PM, Benedict Holland (benedict.m.holl...@gmail.com) 
wrote:
Would you be willing to do this in ERT? I find that the first page, cover page, 
etc. are notoriously difficult to get correctly specified in Lyx. The ERT would 
be someting like
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/819/double-line-spacing

Also, it might be linebreak but I think it should be newline. Honestly, I find 
that if I have to edit or modify class files and the like, I just find a 
library to do it for me and write it up in latex. It seems to be much easier 
that way. 

\usepackage{setspace}
\begin{centering}
\doublespacing

Masters of Science \newline
in \newline
Nuclear Engineering \newline

\end{centering}

~Ben




I have no problem going the ERT route, especially since it is scattered all 
throughout my document.  Implementing this looks like it works though.  Hard to 
know exactly if the spacing is correct until I print it out and measure it like 
the thesis editors but all appears correct.

-Steve

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-04 Thread Steve Burnham



On June 3, 2014 at 17:26:57 PM, PhilipPirrip (p...@net.hr) wrote:

Use  
Insert  Formatting  Vertical space instead of just adding empty lines.  
Then, VFill is a stretchable vertical space that could help you keep the  
things on one page.  


This would work if the cover page was actually written in LyX but instead it is 
defined in the class file.  I specify the degree type in the preamble .  I 
manage to remove the blank page being created but the way the degree is defined 
in the class I am not sure how to break it up.

      {
        \vss
        A \@thesistype ~submitted to the faculty of\\ 
        The University of Utah\\ 
        in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the degree of
        \vss
      }
      \@degree \\

You can see the \@degree\\ simply takes what is written in the preamble and 
pastes in there as one line rather than “Master of Science” double space “In” 
double space “Nuclear Engineering”  I managed to get it formatted properly by 
adding the following in the class file after \@degree \\

 \@degree \\
  \mbox{} \\
  in \\
  \mbox{} \\
  Nuclear Engineering \\
  \mbox{} \\

I would like to make this a little more robust and allow for others to use the 
class file without having to edit it as much as I have.  In the preamble I 
specify the degree by entering after the \degree{} entry so I tried to add 
something like \degreein{} where someone can enter the information and replaced 
“Nuclear Engineering” in the class file with \@degreein but I get compile 
errors.  Is there a better way to go about this?

-Steve

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-04 Thread PhilipPirrip

It's hard to guess what you're supposed to have without knowing anything 
about your latex class.
What's obvious from the excerpt you've given is that \@degree is meant 
to be an internal command of the class (because of the @). There must be 
some part of the class file that fills the \@degree command with user's 
data.


Where can we find the class file?

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-04 Thread Benedict Holland

Would you be willing to do this in ERT? I find that the first page, cover
page, etc. are notoriously difficult to get correctly specified in Lyx. The
ERT would be someting like
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/819/double-line-spacing

Also, it might be linebreak but I think it should be newline. Honestly, I
find that if I have to edit or modify class files and the like, I just find
a library to do it for me and write it up in latex. It seems to be much
easier that way.

\usepackage{setspace}
\begin{centering}
\doublespacing

Masters of Science \newline
in \newline
Nuclear Engineering \newline

\end{centering}

~Ben


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Steve Burnham dan...@gmail.com wrote:

 On June 4, 2014 at 12:50:48 PM, PhilipPirrip (p...@net.hr) wrote:

 It's hard to guess what you're supposed to have without knowing anything
 about your latex class.
 What's obvious from the excerpt you've given is that \@degree is meant
 to be an internal command of the class (because of the @). There must be
 some part of the class file that fills the \@degree command with user's
 data.

 Where can we find the class file?



 I’m attaching the class file.  Starting at line 1351 is where I made my
 modifications.  I guess I don’t fully understand how to use the @ command.
  It sounds like I have to define it first earlier in the class file before
 I can add it to my preamble to be defined?

 -Steve

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-04 Thread Steve Burnham

On June 4, 2014 at 15:32:27 PM, Benedict Holland (benedict.m.holl...@gmail.com) 
wrote:
Would you be willing to do this in ERT? I find that the first page, cover page, 
etc. are notoriously difficult to get correctly specified in Lyx. The ERT would 
be someting like
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/819/double-line-spacing

Also, it might be linebreak but I think it should be newline. Honestly, I find 
that if I have to edit or modify class files and the like, I just find a 
library to do it for me and write it up in latex. It seems to be much easier 
that way. 

\usepackage{setspace}
\begin{centering}
\doublespacing

Masters of Science \newline
in \newline
Nuclear Engineering \newline

\end{centering}

~Ben




I have no problem going the ERT route, especially since it is scattered all 
throughout my document.  Implementing this looks like it works though.  Hard to 
know exactly if the spacing is correct until I print it out and measure it like 
the thesis editors but all appears correct.

-Steve

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-04 Thread Steve Burnham



On June 3, 2014 at 17:26:57 PM, PhilipPirrip (p...@net.hr) wrote:

Use  
Insert > Formatting > Vertical space instead of just adding empty lines.  
Then, VFill is a stretchable vertical space that could help you keep the  
things on one page.  


This would work if the cover page was actually written in LyX but instead it is 
defined in the class file.  I specify the degree type in the preamble .  I 
manage to remove the blank page being created but the way the degree is defined 
in the class I am not sure how to break it up.

      {
        \vss
        A \@thesistype ~submitted to the faculty of\\ 
        The University of Utah\\ 
        in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the degree of
        \vss
      }
      \@degree \\

You can see the \@degree\\ simply takes what is written in the preamble and 
pastes in there as one line rather than “Master of Science” double space “In” 
double space “Nuclear Engineering”  I managed to get it formatted properly by 
adding the following in the class file after \@degree \\

 \@degree \\
  \mbox{} \\
  in \\
  \mbox{} \\
  Nuclear Engineering \\
  \mbox{} \\

I would like to make this a little more robust and allow for others to use the 
class file without having to edit it as much as I have.  In the preamble I 
specify the degree by entering after the \degree{} entry so I tried to add 
something like \degreein{} where someone can enter the information and replaced 
“Nuclear Engineering” in the class file with \@degreein but I get compile 
errors.  Is there a better way to go about this?

-Steve

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-04 Thread PhilipPirrip

It's hard to guess what you're supposed to have without knowing anything 
about your latex class.
What's obvious from the excerpt you've given is that \@degree is meant 
to be an internal command of the class (because of the @). There must be 
some part of the class file that fills the \@degree command with user's 
data.


Where can we find the class file?

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-04 Thread Benedict Holland

Would you be willing to do this in ERT? I find that the first page, cover
page, etc. are notoriously difficult to get correctly specified in Lyx. The
ERT would be someting like
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/819/double-line-spacing

Also, it might be linebreak but I think it should be newline. Honestly, I
find that if I have to edit or modify class files and the like, I just find
a library to do it for me and write it up in latex. It seems to be much
easier that way.

\usepackage{setspace}
\begin{centering}
\doublespacing

Masters of Science \newline
in \newline
Nuclear Engineering \newline

\end{centering}

~Ben

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Steve Burnham  wrote:

> On June 4, 2014 at 12:50:48 PM, PhilipPirrip (p...@net.hr) wrote:
>
> It's hard to guess what you're supposed to have without knowing anything
> about your latex class.
> What's obvious from the excerpt you've given is that \@degree is meant
> to be an internal command of the class (because of the @). There must be
> some part of the class file that fills the \@degree command with user's
> data.
>
> Where can we find the class file?
>
>
>
> I’m attaching the class file.  Starting at line 1351 is where I made my
> modifications.  I guess I don’t fully understand how to use the @ command.
>  It sounds like I have to define it first earlier in the class file before
> I can add it to my preamble to be defined?
>
> -Steve
>

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-04 Thread Steve Burnham

On June 4, 2014 at 15:32:27 PM, Benedict Holland (benedict.m.holl...@gmail.com) 
wrote:
Would you be willing to do this in ERT? I find that the first page, cover page, 
etc. are notoriously difficult to get correctly specified in Lyx. The ERT would 
be someting like
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/819/double-line-spacing

Also, it might be linebreak but I think it should be newline. Honestly, I find 
that if I have to edit or modify class files and the like, I just find a 
library to do it for me and write it up in latex. It seems to be much easier 
that way. 

\usepackage{setspace}
\begin{centering}
\doublespacing

Masters of Science \newline
in \newline
Nuclear Engineering \newline

\end{centering}

~Ben




I have no problem going the ERT route, especially since it is scattered all 
throughout my document.  Implementing this looks like it works though.  Hard to 
know exactly if the spacing is correct until I print it out and measure it like 
the thesis editors but all appears correct.

-Steve

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-03 Thread Steve Burnham


On June 3, 2014 at 11:25:06 AM, Steve Burnham (dan...@gmail.com) wrote:

I am working through some formatting revisions from my thesis office and have a 
couple of initial questions:

1.  My degree on the cover page was originally written on one line but it is 
supposed to use three lines and double spaced.  I have it set to three lines 
now but cannot get it double spaced.  Also, when I move it to three lines a new 
blank page is created at the beginning of the document causing the title page 
to become a numbered page.  Instead, the vertical whitespace surrounding the 
degree title should simply be reduced to accommodate.  


I tried to fix this by adding \begin{doublespace} and \end{doublespace} around 
the degree title in the preamble but this resulted in errors so I am still 
stuck on this one.





2.  I have a numbered list where the spacing between each number is greater 
than the spacing of the rest of the document.  The space before the first 
number and after each subsequent number should be the same double space as the 
rest of the document and the double spacing occurring within each numbered 
item.  It looks like I should use the Enumitem package to fix this but I’m only 
finding examples on how to use it to change horizontal spacing, not vertical.  
Could someone help with this?  
I managed to fix this one after some more lengthy searching.  I added the 
following to my preamble:

\usepackage{enumitem} 
\setlist{nolistsep}   
 
% no big dumb spaces inbetween list items   
\let\oldenumerate=\enumerate  
\def\enumerate{%  
%\vspace{-5mm}
\oldenumerate%
\setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}%
\setlength{\parskip}{-1pt}%
}
 
% no big dumb spaces inbetween list items   
\let\olditemize=\itemize  
\def\itemize{%
\olditemize%  
\setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}%
\setlength{\parskip}{-1pt}%
}


-Steve

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-03 Thread PhilipPirrip


Use
Insert  Formatting  Vertical space instead of just adding empty lines.
Then, VFill is a stretchable vertical space that could help you keep the 
things on one page.

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-03 Thread Steve Burnham


On June 3, 2014 at 11:25:06 AM, Steve Burnham (dan...@gmail.com) wrote:

I am working through some formatting revisions from my thesis office and have a 
couple of initial questions:

1.  My degree on the cover page was originally written on one line but it is 
supposed to use three lines and double spaced.  I have it set to three lines 
now but cannot get it double spaced.  Also, when I move it to three lines a new 
blank page is created at the beginning of the document causing the title page 
to become a numbered page.  Instead, the vertical whitespace surrounding the 
degree title should simply be reduced to accommodate.  


I tried to fix this by adding \begin{doublespace} and \end{doublespace} around 
the degree title in the preamble but this resulted in errors so I am still 
stuck on this one.





2.  I have a numbered list where the spacing between each number is greater 
than the spacing of the rest of the document.  The space before the first 
number and after each subsequent number should be the same double space as the 
rest of the document and the double spacing occurring within each numbered 
item.  It looks like I should use the Enumitem package to fix this but I’m only 
finding examples on how to use it to change horizontal spacing, not vertical.  
Could someone help with this?  
I managed to fix this one after some more lengthy searching.  I added the 
following to my preamble:

\usepackage{enumitem} 
\setlist{nolistsep}   
 
% no big dumb spaces inbetween list items   
\let\oldenumerate=\enumerate  
\def\enumerate{%  
%\vspace{-5mm}
\oldenumerate%
\setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}%
\setlength{\parskip}{-1pt}%
}
 
% no big dumb spaces inbetween list items   
\let\olditemize=\itemize  
\def\itemize{%
\olditemize%  
\setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}%
\setlength{\parskip}{-1pt}%
}


-Steve

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-03 Thread PhilipPirrip


Use
Insert  Formatting  Vertical space instead of just adding empty lines.
Then, VFill is a stretchable vertical space that could help you keep the 
things on one page.

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-03 Thread Steve Burnham


On June 3, 2014 at 11:25:06 AM, Steve Burnham (dan...@gmail.com) wrote:

I am working through some formatting revisions from my thesis office and have a 
couple of initial questions:

1.  My degree on the cover page was originally written on one line but it is 
supposed to use three lines and double spaced.  I have it set to three lines 
now but cannot get it double spaced.  Also, when I move it to three lines a new 
blank page is created at the beginning of the document causing the title page 
to become a numbered page.  Instead, the vertical whitespace surrounding the 
degree title should simply be reduced to accommodate.  


I tried to fix this by adding \begin{doublespace} and \end{doublespace} around 
the degree title in the preamble but this resulted in errors so I am still 
stuck on this one.





2.  I have a numbered list where the spacing between each number is greater 
than the spacing of the rest of the document.  The space before the first 
number and after each subsequent number should be the same double space as the 
rest of the document and the double spacing occurring within each numbered 
item.  It looks like I should use the Enumitem package to fix this but I’m only 
finding examples on how to use it to change horizontal spacing, not vertical.  
Could someone help with this?  
I managed to fix this one after some more lengthy searching.  I added the 
following to my preamble:

\usepackage{enumitem} 
\setlist{nolistsep}   
 
% no big dumb spaces inbetween list items   
\let\oldenumerate=\enumerate  
\def\enumerate{%  
%\vspace{-5mm}
\oldenumerate%
\setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}%
\setlength{\parskip}{-1pt}%
}
 
% no big dumb spaces inbetween list items   
\let\olditemize=\itemize  
\def\itemize{%
\olditemize%  
\setlength{\itemsep}{0pt}%
\setlength{\parskip}{-1pt}%
}


-Steve

Re: Thesis formatting

2014-06-03 Thread PhilipPirrip


Use
Insert > Formatting > Vertical space instead of just adding empty lines.
Then, VFill is a stretchable vertical space that could help you keep the 
things on one page.

Re: Thesis template and layout files

2014-04-29 Thread Jacob Bishop

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Steve Burnham dan...@gmail.com wrote:

OK, so overall success. I was able to modify the files myself and get
them to compile in LaTeX. I found the whole parent/child document thing a
little confusing at first. Not the concept so much but just syntax and how
they are structured. Should anybody else be looking for help in the future
I found the following video where you can actually see somebody create a
parent/child document and it cleared it up for me (
https://www.sharelatex.com/blog/latex-guides/beginners-tutorial/longer-documents-in-latex.html#.U02Qt-ZdVIY).
So now when I open up LyX I can go FileImportLaTeX(plain) and import
MyThesis.tex and it opens and compiles just fine in LyX. I think now my
questions are:

1. What is the difference between MyThesis.lyx and MyThesisR3.lyx. From
what I can tell R3 has the ERT cleaned up in the preamble as well as notes
signifying the different heading levels

There should be no difference in the .tex or .pdf produced by either. The
only difference is the cleanup of the ERT in the main text. For example, I
typeset the table using LyX, rather than putting it in ERT.

2. From what I can gather it is the .layout file that will get rid of the
ERT in the LyX file. I tried to follow an example thesis .layout file from
the LyX site (see here: http://wiki.lyx.org/Layouts/UCThesis) but when I
modify the file I can no longer get anything to compile. (See attached
.layout file to see what I did.)

Using the .layout file I sent (which was basically what you provided
originally), it should compile fine. If you wanted to get rid of more ERT,
we could change it more, but this is not strictly necessary. Much of it
actually ends up being a little complicated. For the most part, you should
be able to get rid of the \usepackage commands in your preamble. This is
because if you have used functionality that's provided by a certain
package, LyX usually includes it for you. That should be the case for the
\usepackage{lscape}, for example. As for the \usepackage{amsmath}
directive, this generally works fine left alone; but if you want, the
correct way to force the use of the amsmath package is to select it in the
math options under the lyx document settings. Some of the others, such as
\usepackage{flafter} should probably remain in the preamble, unless they
are so critical to the style they could be moved to the thesis template
itself. The part we would really like to take out of the preamble would be
the title, author, thesis type, degree, departmentchair, etc. Those would
be defined to use (modified versions) of LyX's frontmatter styles in the
.layout file.

3. I also cannot figure out where both LyX and LaTeX are getting the front
matter pages like the title page, copyright page, and abstract. All I can
find is in the preamble are entries like \titlepage, \copyrightpage

Yeah, that's kind of confusing. The thesis class file provided by the U
assumes that the abstract will be provided in a file named abstract.tex
that is stored in the same folder. It assumes the same for the
acknowledgements. I think it's bad style, but either way, it's how the
template was written. You can either live with it or modify the thesis
template. That part is controlled by the preface command, which is part of
the ERT at the beginning of the document.

-Steve

-Jacob

Re: Thesis template and layout files

2014-04-29 Thread Jacob Bishop

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Steve Burnham dan...@gmail.com wrote:

1. What is the difference between MyThesis.lyx and MyThesisR3.lyx. From
what I can tell R3 has the ERT cleaned up in the preamble as well as notes
signifying the different heading levels

-Steve

-Jacob

Re: Thesis template and layout files

2014-04-29 Thread Jacob Bishop

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Steve Burnham  wrote:

> OK, so overall success.  I was able to modify the files myself and get
> them to compile in LaTeX.  I found the whole parent/child document thing a
> little confusing at first.  Not the concept so much but just syntax and how
> they are structured.  Should anybody else be looking for help in the future
> I found the following video where you can actually see somebody create a
> parent/child document and it cleared it up for me (
> https://www.sharelatex.com/blog/latex-guides/beginners-tutorial/longer-documents-in-latex.html#.U02Qt-ZdVIY).
>  So now when I open up LyX I can go File>Import>LaTeX(plain) and import
> MyThesis.tex and it opens and compiles just fine in LyX.  I think now my
> questions are:
>
> 1.  What is the difference between MyThesis.lyx and MyThesisR3.lyx.  From
> what I can tell R3 has the ERT cleaned up in the preamble as well as notes
> signifying the different heading levels
>

There should be no difference in the .tex or .pdf produced by either. The
only difference is the cleanup of the ERT in the main text. For example, I
typeset the table using LyX, rather than putting it in ERT.

>
> 2.  From what I can gather it is the .layout file that will get rid of the
> ERT in the LyX file.  I tried to follow an example thesis .layout file from
> the LyX site (see here: http://wiki.lyx.org/Layouts/UCThesis) but when I
> modify the file I can no longer get anything to compile.  (See attached
> .layout file to see what I did.)
>

Using the .layout file I sent (which was basically what you provided
originally), it should compile fine. If you wanted to get rid of more ERT,
we could change it more, but this is not strictly necessary. Much of it
actually ends up being a little complicated. For the most part, you should
be able to get rid of the \usepackage commands in your preamble. This is
because if you have used functionality that's provided by a certain
package, LyX usually includes it for you. That should be the case for the
\usepackage{lscape}, for example. As for the \usepackage{amsmath}
directive, this generally works fine left alone; but if you want, the
correct way to force the use of the amsmath package is to select it in the
math options under the lyx document settings. Some of the others, such as
\usepackage{flafter} should probably remain in the preamble, unless they
are so critical to the style they could be moved to the thesis template
itself. The part we would really like to take out of the preamble would be
the title, author, thesis type, degree, departmentchair, etc. Those would
be defined to use (modified versions) of LyX's frontmatter styles in the
.layout file.

3.  I also cannot figure out where both LyX and LaTeX are getting the front
> matter pages like the title page, copyright page, and abstract.  All I can
> find is in the preamble are entries like \titlepage, \copyrightpage
>

Yeah, that's kind of confusing. The thesis class file provided by the U
assumes that the abstract will be provided in a file named "abstract.tex"
that is stored in the same folder. It assumes the same for the
acknowledgements. I think it's bad style, but either way, it's how the
template was written. You can either live with it or modify the thesis
template. That part is controlled by the preface command, which is part of
the ERT at the beginning of the document.

> -Steve
>

-Jacob

Re: Thesis template and layout files

2014-04-15 Thread Steve Burnham

On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Jacob Bishop bishop.ja...@gmail.comwrote:

On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Steve Burnham dan...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks for getting back to me, much more information and more helpful
than I expected.

Hi Steve,

If you don't mind, I'd like to keep this discussion on the list. This is
because our discussion might eventually help someone with similar issues. I
spent over a year using the mailing list archives to find solutions to
problems I encountered before actually composing a message myself or
subscribing to the list.

I have the thesis office minimal examples which unfortunately doesn’t
compile. I’m attaching the zipped file of the data that I can get from the
office. I started trying to modify the chap2.tex file to compile. I added
in the document class declaration, \begin{document}, and some text for the
headings. I get two errors, that I need to specify a style guild for which
I cannot locate information on that error online. The other is that it
cannot find \begin{document} which is weird because it is there. I’m
guessing whatever the document guild error is has something to do with it
since that is the first error listed. If you have time you can take a look
at the file and maybe help me figure out what is wrong.

After reverting your changes, I was able to get the example to compile (I
didn't try to deal with the references, but we can do that later). To
explain how, I think I should cover how the example is intended to work.
There are several ways to write a LaTeX document. One is to write it all
into a single document...a single file ending in *.tex An alternative
method is to use a parent file with several children files. The
children documents don't actually compile themselves. That's why when you
try to compile chap2.tex it doesn't work. It doesn't have everything it
needs to be a standalone .tex document. Child documents are intended only
to be included in the main (parent) document. In the archive you sent,
the parent file is called MyThesis.tex and each chapter and appendix has
its own file. These can be seen in the main document. They are included
with the \include{} statement. Incidentally, it is also possible to use
child documents with LyX in the same way, but I think that is a discussion
for another day.

After getting a successful compile using pdflatex MyThesis.tex at the
command line, I decided to roll the included files right into the main
document. That seems simpler to me in a way. See attached. That completes
step 2!

I also got ambitious and started on the conversion. The steps for that
basically involved (a) creating a simple .layout file, (b) copying most of
what appears in MyThesis.tex ( the part before \begin{document} ) into the
preamble of LyX (c) re-creating the document within LyX. For (a), your
layout file actually worked. You can see the results (a) and (b) in the
attached (MyThesisR1.lyx). That gets us through step 5 outlined previously.
I even worked on step 6 a bit. The latest of those results are in
MyThesisR3.lyx. Why don't you see if you can duplicate my results and let
us know how it went?

It seems that LyX is a good way to write LaTeX documents if you don’t have
a lot of knowledge about LaTeX but importing custom classes and styles
appears to be quite a chore.

I fully agree. In my opinion, the difficulty in creating and importing a
custom class/style is one of the biggest hurdles we face. As long as there
is an existing template that works, things are pretty smooth. The nice
thing about it, though, is that just one person needs to create and import
a template. It only has to be done once. Thesis/dissertation templates is
one case where this effort makes quite a lot of sense IMHO. Custom formats
for one-time 1-5 page documents much less so.

In any case, it should be worth it especially since I am starting my PhD
this summer and will need the same style guide.

I agree.

Thanks again for your help, it’s just too bad you moved a little too far
north for your PhD!

Either that, or you didn't move far enough north for yours! :)

-Jacob

OK, so overall success. I was able to modify the files myself and get them
to compile in LaTeX. I found the whole parent/child document thing a
little confusing at first. Not the concept so much but just syntax and how
they are structured. Should anybody else be looking for help in the future
I found the following video where you can actually see somebody create a
parent/child document and it cleared it up for me (
https://www.sharelatex.com/blog/latex-guides/beginners-tutorial/longer-documents-in-latex.html#.U02Qt-ZdVIY).
So now when I open up LyX I can go FileImportLaTeX(plain) and import
MyThesis.tex and it opens and compiles just fine in LyX. I think now my
questions are:

1. What is the difference between MyThesis.lyx and MyThesisR3.lyx. From
what I can tell R3 has the ERT cleaned up in the preamble

Re: Thesis template and layout files

2014-04-15 Thread Steve Burnham

On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Jacob Bishop bishop.ja...@gmail.comwrote:

On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Steve Burnham dan...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks for getting back to me, much more information and more helpful
than I expected.

Hi Steve,

It seems that LyX is a good way to write LaTeX documents if you don’t have
a lot of knowledge about LaTeX but importing custom classes and styles
appears to be quite a chore.

In any case, it should be worth it especially since I am starting my PhD
this summer and will need the same style guide.

I agree.

Thanks again for your help, it’s just too bad you moved a little too far
north for your PhD!

Either that, or you didn't move far enough north for yours! :)

-Jacob

OK, so overall success. I was able to modify the files myself and get them
to compile in LaTeX. I found the whole parent/child document thing a
little confusing at first. Not the concept so much but just syntax and how
they are structured. Should anybody else be looking for help in the future
I found the following video where you can actually see somebody create a
parent/child document and it cleared it up for me (
https://www.sharelatex.com/blog/latex-guides/beginners-tutorial/longer-documents-in-latex.html#.U02Qt-ZdVIY).
So now when I open up LyX I can go FileImportLaTeX(plain) and import
MyThesis.tex and it opens and compiles just fine in LyX. I think now my
questions are:

1. What is the difference between MyThesis.lyx and MyThesisR3.lyx. From
what I can tell R3 has the ERT cleaned up in the preamble

Re: Thesis template and layout files

2014-04-15 Thread Steve Burnham

On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Jacob Bishop wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Steve Burnham  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for getting back to me, much more information and more helpful
>> than I expected.
>>
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> If you don't mind, I'd like to keep this discussion on the list. This is
> because our discussion might eventually help someone with similar issues. I
> spent over a year using the mailing list archives to find solutions to
> problems I encountered before actually composing a message myself or
> subscribing to the list.
>
>
>> I have the thesis office minimal examples which unfortunately doesn’t
>> compile.  I’m attaching the zipped file of the data that I can get from the
>> office.  I started trying to modify the chap2.tex file to compile.  I added
>> in the document class declaration, \begin{document}, and some text for the
>> headings.  I get two errors, that I need to specify a style guild for which
>> I cannot locate information on that error online.  The other is that it
>> cannot find \begin{document} which is weird because it is there.  I’m
>> guessing whatever the document guild error is has something to do with it
>> since that is the first error listed.  If you have time you can take a look
>> at the file and maybe help me figure out what is wrong.
>>
>
> After reverting your changes, I was able to get the example to compile (I
> didn't try to deal with the references, but we can do that later). To
> explain how, I think I should cover how the example is intended to work.
> There are several ways to write a LaTeX document. One is to write it all
> into a single document...a single file ending in *.tex An alternative
> method is to use a "parent" file with several "children" files. The
> children documents don't actually compile themselves. That's why when you
> try to compile "chap2.tex" it doesn't work. It doesn't have everything it
> needs to be a standalone .tex document. Child documents are intended only
> to be "included" in the main (parent) document. In the archive you sent,
> the parent file is called "MyThesis.tex" and each chapter and appendix has
> its own file. These can be seen in the main document. They are included
> with the \include{} statement. Incidentally, it is also possible to use
> child documents with LyX in the same way, but I think that is a discussion
> for another day.
>
> After getting a successful compile using "pdflatex MyThesis.tex" at the
> command line, I decided to roll the "included" files right into the main
> document. That seems simpler to me in a way. See attached. That completes
> step 2!
>
> I also got ambitious and started on the conversion. The steps for that
> basically involved (a) creating a simple .layout file, (b) copying most of
> what appears in MyThesis.tex ( the part before \begin{document} ) into the
> preamble of LyX (c) re-creating the document within LyX. For (a), your
> layout file actually worked. You can see the results (a) and (b) in the
> attached (MyThesisR1.lyx). That gets us through step 5 outlined previously.
> I even worked on step 6 a bit. The latest of those results are in
> MyThesisR3.lyx. Why don't you see if you can duplicate my results and let
> us know how it went?
>
> It seems that LyX is a good way to write LaTeX documents if you don’t have
>> a lot of knowledge about LaTeX but importing custom classes and styles
>> appears to be quite a chore.
>>
>
> I fully agree. In my opinion, the difficulty in creating and importing a
> custom class/style is one of the biggest hurdles we face. As long as there
> is an existing template that works, things are pretty smooth. The nice
> thing about it, though, is that just one person needs to create and import
> a template. It only has to be done once. Thesis/dissertation templates is
> one case where this effort makes quite a lot of sense IMHO. Custom formats
> for one-time 1-5 page documents much less so.
>
>
>> In any case, it should be worth it especially since I am starting my PhD
>> this summer and will need the same style guide.
>>
>
> I agree.
>
>
>>  Thanks again for your help, it’s just too bad you moved a little too far
>> north for your PhD!
>>
>
> Either that, or you didn't move far enough north for yours! :)
>
> -Jacob
>

OK, so overall success.  I was able to modify the files myself and get them
to compile in LaTeX.  I found the whole parent/child document thing a
little confusing at first.  Not the concept so much but just syntax and how
they are structured.  Should anybody else be looking for help in the future
I found the following video where you can actually see somebody create a
parent/child document and it cleared it up for me (
https://www.sharelatex.com/blog/latex-guides/beginners-tutorial/longer-documents-in-latex.html#.U02Qt-ZdVIY).
 So now when I open up LyX I can go File>Import>LaTeX(plain) and import
MyThesis.tex and it opens and compiles just fine in LyX.  I think now my
questions are:

1.

Re: Thesis template and layout files

2014-04-10 Thread Jacob Bishop

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Steve Burnham dan...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am trying to write my thesis using LyX but I am experiencing some
 confusion/problems with importing my universities thesis class and create
 the LyX template.


Hi Steve, I used LyX for my thesis, and had to customize things to work for
my university template. Perhaps you have already figured some of this out,
but I would like to provide a few suggestions for how to proceed:

1) Download the template (including both the necessary .cls/sty files and a
minimal example). Your university should provide a working example. If they
don't then find a classmate or friend that has one.
2) Get the minimal example to compile and produce acceptable output using
regular old LaTeX.
3) Write a minimal layout file for LyX so the class shows up.
4) Put in everything you need from the example document, at this stage you
will typically use ERT liberally, and have a load of stuff in the preamble.
5) Debug until the document compiles in LyX just as it did in regular LaTeX.
6+) [optional] Gradually improve the LyX interface by modifying the .layout
file to support more of the thesis template's features, which will allow
you to remove ERT.

It appears to me that you tried to start somewhere in the middle of this
process, which I wouldn't generally recommend.

It looks like you tried to modify the book layout file to use with your
document class. Now, I could have missed something, but it looks like your
university's document class is not based on book. So, that won't work.

To explain a bit more in case you are lost with what I mean, a LaTeX
document typically relies on a document class. That class can either be an
original document class, or a derived one. By original, I mean a
document class that was written from scratch. There are several document
classes that come standard with LaTeX. These include book, article, report,
etc. Now, when a person writes a new document class (to use for a
university thesis, for instance) they usually create a derived class. By
that, I mean that they import the base class, inheriting all of the
goodness from it. The book class is usually a good base class for a thesis
template, but article is also sometimes used. Just as in LaTeX, .cls or
.sty files, LyX .layout files can be created by modifying an existing one.
The guiding principle in doing that is to create a new .layout file by
modifying the same .layout file your class was based on (again, for theses,
this is  usually the book class).

In any case, it looks to me like the person(s) who wrote the thesis
template you sent started from scratch. That means modifying the layout for
the book class won't work as well as one might hope. It might end up
requiring a bit more work, so my recommendation is to start at step 1
above, then ask again once you get past step 2 (and include the minimal
example in your response, it will make it easier to help).

Jacob

p.s. I did my MS at BYU and PhD at USU (both theses were written in LyX).
If it had been one of those, I would have a drop-in solution for you.

Re: Thesis template and layout files

2014-04-10 Thread Jacob Bishop

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Steve Burnham dan...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am trying to write my thesis using LyX but I am experiencing some
 confusion/problems with importing my universities thesis class and create
 the LyX template.


Hi Steve, I used LyX for my thesis, and had to customize things to work for
my university template. Perhaps you have already figured some of this out,
but I would like to provide a few suggestions for how to proceed:

1) Download the template (including both the necessary .cls/sty files and a
minimal example). Your university should provide a working example. If they
don't then find a classmate or friend that has one.
2) Get the minimal example to compile and produce acceptable output using
regular old LaTeX.
3) Write a minimal layout file for LyX so the class shows up.
4) Put in everything you need from the example document, at this stage you
will typically use ERT liberally, and have a load of stuff in the preamble.
5) Debug until the document compiles in LyX just as it did in regular LaTeX.
6+) [optional] Gradually improve the LyX interface by modifying the .layout
file to support more of the thesis template's features, which will allow
you to remove ERT.

It appears to me that you tried to start somewhere in the middle of this
process, which I wouldn't generally recommend.

It looks like you tried to modify the book layout file to use with your
document class. Now, I could have missed something, but it looks like your
university's document class is not based on book. So, that won't work.

To explain a bit more in case you are lost with what I mean, a LaTeX
document typically relies on a document class. That class can either be an
original document class, or a derived one. By original, I mean a
document class that was written from scratch. There are several document
classes that come standard with LaTeX. These include book, article, report,
etc. Now, when a person writes a new document class (to use for a
university thesis, for instance) they usually create a derived class. By
that, I mean that they import the base class, inheriting all of the
goodness from it. The book class is usually a good base class for a thesis
template, but article is also sometimes used. Just as in LaTeX, .cls or
.sty files, LyX .layout files can be created by modifying an existing one.
The guiding principle in doing that is to create a new .layout file by
modifying the same .layout file your class was based on (again, for theses,
this is  usually the book class).

In any case, it looks to me like the person(s) who wrote the thesis
template you sent started from scratch. That means modifying the layout for
the book class won't work as well as one might hope. It might end up
requiring a bit more work, so my recommendation is to start at step 1
above, then ask again once you get past step 2 (and include the minimal
example in your response, it will make it easier to help).

Jacob

p.s. I did my MS at BYU and PhD at USU (both theses were written in LyX).
If it had been one of those, I would have a drop-in solution for you.

Re: Thesis template and layout files

2014-04-10 Thread Jacob Bishop

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Steve Burnham  wrote:

> I am trying to write my thesis using LyX but I am experiencing some
> confusion/problems with importing my universities thesis class and create
> the LyX template.
>

Hi Steve, I used LyX for my thesis, and had to customize things to work for
my university template. Perhaps you have already figured some of this out,
but I would like to provide a few suggestions for how to proceed:

1) Download the template (including both the necessary .cls/sty files and a
minimal example). Your university should provide a working example. If they
don't then find a classmate or friend that has one.
2) Get the minimal example to compile and produce acceptable output using
regular old LaTeX.
3) Write a minimal layout file for LyX so the class shows up.
4) Put in everything you need from the example document, at this stage you
will typically use ERT liberally, and have a load of stuff in the preamble.
5) Debug until the document compiles in LyX just as it did in regular LaTeX.
6+) [optional] Gradually improve the LyX interface by modifying the .layout
file to support more of the thesis template's features, which will allow
you to remove ERT.

It appears to me that you tried to start somewhere in the middle of this
process, which I wouldn't generally recommend.

It looks like you tried to modify the book layout file to use with your
document class. Now, I could have missed something, but it looks like your
university's document class is not based on book. So, that won't work.

To explain a bit more in case you are lost with what I mean, a LaTeX
document typically relies on a document class. That class can either be an
"original" document class, or a derived one. By "original," I mean a
document class that was written from scratch. There are several document
classes that come standard with LaTeX. These include book, article, report,
etc. Now, when a person writes a new document class (to use for a
university thesis, for instance) they usually create a derived class. By
that, I mean that they import the base class, inheriting all of the
goodness from it. The book class is usually a good base class for a thesis
template, but article is also sometimes used. Just as in LaTeX, .cls or
.sty files, LyX .layout files can be created by modifying an existing one.
The guiding principle in doing that is to create a new .layout file by
modifying the same .layout file your class was based on (again, for theses,
this is  usually the book class).

In any case, it looks to me like the person(s) who wrote the thesis
template you sent started from scratch. That means modifying the layout for
the book class won't work as well as one might hope. It might end up
requiring a bit more work, so my recommendation is to start at step 1
above, then ask again once you get past step 2 (and include the minimal
example in your response, it will make it easier to help).

Jacob

p.s. I did my MS at BYU and PhD at USU (both theses were written in LyX).
If it had been one of those, I would have a drop-in solution for you.

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