Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Yaron == Yaron Y Goland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yaron First, THANK YOU! I love LyX! And the integration that 1.4.x Yaron provided into OS X is great. It is still too slow for me to use Yaron but the direction is great and in the meantime I can use 1.3.7 Yaron which performs just fine on my mac. Yaron Second, any idea when 1.4.2 might be released? I would be very glad to be able to do it this week or next week. Time will tell. JMarc
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Sorry for what? That your life interfered with providing a free service to the community? Gosh... shame on you! :) Yaron On Jun 28, 2006, at 7:06 AM, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 28, 2006, at 4:45 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Yaron == Yaron Y Goland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yaron First, THANK YOU! I love LyX! And the integration that 1.4.x Yaron provided into OS X is great. It is still too slow for me to use Yaron but the direction is great and in the meantime I can use 1.3.7 Yaron which performs just fine on my mac. Yaron Second, any idea when 1.4.2 might be released? I would be very glad to be able to do it this week or next week. Time will tell. Even if LyX-1.4.2 is released earlier, my packaging of LyX/ Mac-1.4.2 will have to wait until after July 11, however: I'll be pretty much offline from now until then. Sorry. Bennett
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Yaron == Yaron Y Goland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yaron First, THANK YOU! I love LyX! And the integration that 1.4.x Yaron provided into OS X is great. It is still too slow for me to use Yaron but the direction is great and in the meantime I can use 1.3.7 Yaron which performs just fine on my mac. Yaron Second, any idea when 1.4.2 might be released? I would be very glad to be able to do it this week or next week. Time will tell. JMarc
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Sorry for what? That your life interfered with providing a free service to the community? Gosh... shame on you! :) Yaron On Jun 28, 2006, at 7:06 AM, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 28, 2006, at 4:45 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Yaron == Yaron Y Goland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yaron First, THANK YOU! I love LyX! And the integration that 1.4.x Yaron provided into OS X is great. It is still too slow for me to use Yaron but the direction is great and in the meantime I can use 1.3.7 Yaron which performs just fine on my mac. Yaron Second, any idea when 1.4.2 might be released? I would be very glad to be able to do it this week or next week. Time will tell. Even if LyX-1.4.2 is released earlier, my packaging of LyX/ Mac-1.4.2 will have to wait until after July 11, however: I'll be pretty much offline from now until then. Sorry. Bennett
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
> "Yaron" == Yaron Y Goland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Yaron> First, THANK YOU! I love LyX! And the integration that 1.4.x Yaron> provided into OS X is great. It is still too slow for me to use Yaron> but the direction is great and in the meantime I can use 1.3.7 Yaron> which performs just fine on my mac. Yaron> Second, any idea when 1.4.2 might be released? I would be very glad to be able to do it this week or next week. Time will tell. JMarc
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Sorry for what? That your life interfered with providing a free service to the community? Gosh... shame on you! :) Yaron On Jun 28, 2006, at 7:06 AM, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 28, 2006, at 4:45 AM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: "Yaron" == Yaron Y Goland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Yaron> First, THANK YOU! I love LyX! And the integration that 1.4.x Yaron> provided into OS X is great. It is still too slow for me to use Yaron> but the direction is great and in the meantime I can use 1.3.7 Yaron> which performs just fine on my mac. Yaron> Second, any idea when 1.4.2 might be released? I would be very glad to be able to do it this week or next week. Time will tell. Even if LyX-1.4.2 is released earlier, my packaging of LyX/ Mac-1.4.2 will have to wait until after July 11, however: I'll be pretty much offline from now until then. Sorry. Bennett
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Steve == Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you ever upgrade to 1.4, you will find that the display is significantly slower with qt (for a reason we do not really understand). The old xforms version is still ugly, but snappy. Steve Do I need to recompile to switch to Xforms? Yes, unless you can find it precompiled for your platform. In 1.3, when you configure without any special option, you do get the xforms version. To get the qt version, you need to use the switch --with-frontend=qt. I do not think you will find that the xforms frontend is better in 1.3. In 1.4, it is required to specify which frontend you want (xforms, qt, or the unofficial gtk). You can even specify several frontends, like --with-frontend='qt xforms'. Xforms will feel snappier, in particular when scrolling or selecting text. But of course it is ugly (in particular the fonts are not antialiased on screen). JMarc
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
First, THANK YOU! I love LyX! And the integration that 1.4.x provided into OS X is great. It is still too slow for me to use but the direction is great and in the meantime I can use 1.3.7 which performs just fine on my mac. Second, any idea when 1.4.2 might be released? Thanks, Yaron P.S. If I can make a feature request for 1.4.2 what about native support for hypertarget and hyperlink? Having to enter and manage these manually as ERT is a nightmare! On Jun 26, 2006, at 8:42 AM, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi Yaron, I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made LyX support multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just Xforms. See if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather than KDE bloated stuff like that. This is not possible on Mac (natively). 1.4.2 -- currently still undergoing testing -- will be much better for speed on Mac. (It's acceptable for me on a 466 MHz iBook, which was impossible to use with 1.4.1.) Bennett
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Steve == Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you ever upgrade to 1.4, you will find that the display is significantly slower with qt (for a reason we do not really understand). The old xforms version is still ugly, but snappy. Steve Do I need to recompile to switch to Xforms? Yes, unless you can find it precompiled for your platform. In 1.3, when you configure without any special option, you do get the xforms version. To get the qt version, you need to use the switch --with-frontend=qt. I do not think you will find that the xforms frontend is better in 1.3. In 1.4, it is required to specify which frontend you want (xforms, qt, or the unofficial gtk). You can even specify several frontends, like --with-frontend='qt xforms'. Xforms will feel snappier, in particular when scrolling or selecting text. But of course it is ugly (in particular the fonts are not antialiased on screen). JMarc
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
First, THANK YOU! I love LyX! And the integration that 1.4.x provided into OS X is great. It is still too slow for me to use but the direction is great and in the meantime I can use 1.3.7 which performs just fine on my mac. Second, any idea when 1.4.2 might be released? Thanks, Yaron P.S. If I can make a feature request for 1.4.2 what about native support for hypertarget and hyperlink? Having to enter and manage these manually as ERT is a nightmare! On Jun 26, 2006, at 8:42 AM, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi Yaron, I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made LyX support multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just Xforms. See if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather than KDE bloated stuff like that. This is not possible on Mac (natively). 1.4.2 -- currently still undergoing testing -- will be much better for speed on Mac. (It's acceptable for me on a 466 MHz iBook, which was impossible to use with 1.4.1.) Bennett
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
> "Steve" == Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> If you ever upgrade to 1.4, you will find that the display is >> significantly slower with qt (for a reason we do not really >> understand). The old xforms version is still ugly, but snappy. Steve> Do I need to recompile to switch to Xforms? Yes, unless you can find it precompiled for your platform. In 1.3, when you configure without any special option, you do get the xforms version. To get the qt version, you need to use the switch --with-frontend=qt. I do not think you will find that the xforms frontend is better in 1.3. In 1.4, it is required to specify which frontend you want (xforms, qt, or the unofficial gtk). You can even specify several frontends, like --with-frontend='qt xforms'. Xforms will feel snappier, in particular when scrolling or selecting text. But of course it is ugly (in particular the fonts are not antialiased on screen). JMarc
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
First, THANK YOU! I love LyX! And the integration that 1.4.x provided into OS X is great. It is still too slow for me to use but the direction is great and in the meantime I can use 1.3.7 which performs just fine on my mac. Second, any idea when 1.4.2 might be released? Thanks, Yaron P.S. If I can make a feature request for 1.4.2 what about native support for hypertarget and hyperlink? Having to enter and manage these manually as ERT is a nightmare! On Jun 26, 2006, at 8:42 AM, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi Yaron, I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made LyX support multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just Xforms. See if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather than KDE bloated stuff like that. This is not possible on Mac (natively). 1.4.2 -- currently still undergoing testing -- will be much better for speed on Mac. (It's acceptable for me on a 466 MHz iBook, which was impossible to use with 1.4.1.) Bennett
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Yaron == Yaron Y Goland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yaron When I first installed LyX 1.4.0 on OS X I had such serious Yaron performance problems that even on my dual proc G5 with 1 gig of Yaron Ram I could trivially type faster than LyX could print out my Yaron characters. So when LyX 1.4.1 was released with a focus on Yaron performance I was very excited. Unfortunately LyX 1.4.1 is as Yaron slow for me as LyX 1.4.0 is. In fact even on simple documents Yaron containing little more than text (e.g. Yaron http://www.goland.org/webtemplate.lyx) just typing simple text Yaron is so slow that I can easily out type LyX. The performance improvements in 1.4.1 were mostly for when typing inside insets. LyX 1.4.2 will have some speedup for LyX/Mac, but there is still some inherent drawing performance problem we are not able to pinpoint. JMarc
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Monday 26 June 2006 01:54 am, Yaron Y. Goland wrote: When I first installed LyX 1.4.0 on OS X I had such serious performance problems that even on my dual proc G5 with 1 gig of Ram I could trivially type faster than LyX could print out my characters. So when LyX 1.4.1 was released with a focus on performance I was very excited. Unfortunately LyX 1.4.1 is as slow for me as LyX 1.4.0 is. In fact even on simple documents containing little more than text (e.g. http://www.goland.org/webtemplate.lyx) just typing simple text is so slow that I can easily out type LyX. Please note that I made sure to delete LyX 1.4.0 and do a new install of LyX 1.4.1 and then confirm that my newly installed program is indeed LyX 1.4.1 If anyone has any suggestions or ideas I would love to hear them because I depend on LyX for a book I'm writing and as things now stand I'm in trouble. Thanks, Yaron Hi Yaron, I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made LyX support multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just Xforms. See if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather than KDE bloated stuff like that. I use the Xforms interface in 1.3.6 (and have for many older versions), and personally I never did see the need to have it support anything else -- after all, LyX is just a simple front end to LaTeX. SteveT -- Steve Litt Author: * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/tcourses.htm (Legal Disclaimer) Follow these suggestions at your own risk.
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi Yaron, I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made LyX support multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just Xforms. See if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather than KDE bloated stuff like that. This is not possible on Mac (natively). 1.4.2 -- currently still undergoing testing -- will be much better for speed on Mac. (It's acceptable for me on a 466 MHz iBook, which was impossible to use with 1.4.1.) Bennett
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Monday 26 June 2006 11:42 am, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi Yaron, I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made LyX support multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just Xforms. See if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather than KDE bloated stuff like that. This is not possible on Mac (natively). Curious -- is it possible on Linux? I'd really hate to have a great product slide backwards just to make a prettier screen and more KDE interoperability or Gnome interoperability, whatever those are. Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Ughh. Is Xforms still available? I like it -- it's worked every time for me since 2000. SteveT Steve Litt Author: * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/tcourses.htm
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Jun 26, 2006, at 1:59 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Monday 26 June 2006 11:42 am, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi Yaron, I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made LyX support multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just Xforms. See if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather than KDE bloated stuff like that. This is not possible on Mac (natively). Curious -- is it possible on Linux? I'd really hate to have a great product slide backwards just to make a prettier screen and more KDE interoperability or Gnome interoperability, whatever those are. Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Ughh. Is Xforms still available? I like it -- it's worked every time for me since 2000. All I meant is that the native Mac port of LyX depends on Qt. LyX-1.4 should work with Xforms on Linux, but on Mac doing so would require an X11 environment that is not nicely integrated with the rest of Mac OS X. (I don't know about Windows.) Bennett
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Steve Litt wrote: On Monday 26 June 2006 11:42 am, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi Yaron, I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made LyX support multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just Xforms. See if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather than KDE bloated stuff like that. This is not possible on Mac (natively). Curious -- is it possible on Linux? Of course - at compile time. What Bennet probably meant was that if you want a native Mac LyX with Aqua GUI you have only one choice: qt. You can of course use LyX xforms via the X server if you want to. I don't know if anybody did it, but assume that xforms is available via fink. I'd really hate to have a great product slide backwards just to make a prettier screen and more KDE interoperability or Gnome interoperability, whatever those are. Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Yes. Ughh. Is Xforms still available? Yes, but probably not in 1.5 when it comes out. Georg
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Steve Litt wrote: Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Yes. It already was in LyX 1.3 IIRC. Ughh. Is Xforms still available? Yes. Still. Jürgen
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Monday 26 June 2006 02:14 pm, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Yes. It already was in LyX 1.3 IIRC. That's interesting. I use 1.3.5 currently. How can I tell whether I'm using Xforms or Qt? I assumed Xforms because it looks the same as it always looked. Thanks SteveT Steve Litt Author: * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/tcourses.htm
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Georg == Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Georg Yes. Well, not really. Now there is no default :) JMarc
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Steve == Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve On Monday 26 June 2006 02:14 pm, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Yes. It already was in LyX 1.3 IIRC. Steve That's interesting. I use 1.3.5 currently. How can I tell Steve whether I'm using Xforms or Qt? I assumed Xforms because it Steve looks the same as it always looked. The it is xforms. You can run 'lyx --version' to know for sure. JMarc
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Monday 26 June 2006 04:32 pm, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Steve == Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve On Monday 26 June 2006 02:14 pm, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Yes. It already was in LyX 1.3 IIRC. Steve That's interesting. I use 1.3.5 currently. How can I tell Steve whether I'm using Xforms or Qt? I assumed Xforms because it Steve looks the same as it always looked. The it is xforms. You can run 'lyx --version' to know for sure. JMarc Well looky looky... === [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ lyx --version LyX 1.3.5 of Wed, Oct 6, 2004 Built on Sep 9 2005, 18:48:14 Configuration Host type: i586-mandriva-linux-gnu Special build flags: C Compiler: gcc C Compiler flags: -O2 -pipe -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fomit-frame-pointer -march=i586 -mtune=pentiumpro C++ Compiler: g++ (4.0.1) C++ Compiler flags: -O2 -Wall -W Linker flags: Frontend: qt Qt version: 3.3.4 LyX binary dir: /usr/bin LyX files dir: /usr/share/lyx [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ === I've been using qt all along, and have observed absolutely no problems. Here's what my machine looks like: [EMAIL PROTECTED] proc]$ cat meminfo | head -n2 MemTotal: 1555824 kB MemFree:718944 kB [EMAIL PROTECTED] proc]$ cat cpuinfo | head -n8 processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 6 model : 10 model name : AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2600+ stepping: 0 cpu MHz : 1916.547 cache size : 512 KB [EMAIL PROTECTED] proc]$ uname -a Linux mydesk.domain.cxm 2.6.12-12mdk #1 Fri Sep 9 18:15:22 CEST 2005 i686 AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2600+ unknown GNU/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] proc]$ So I officially withdraw my objections to qt. I've been using it the past several months, thinking it was Xforms, and liking it just fine. Thanks for the tip! SteveT Steve Litt Author: * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/tcourses.htm
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Steve == Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve So I officially withdraw my objections to qt. I've been using Steve it the past several months, thinking it was Xforms, and liking Steve it just fine. :) If you ever upgrade to 1.4, you will find that the display is significantly slower with qt (for a reason we do not really understand). The old xforms version is still ugly, but snappy. JMarc
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Monday 26 June 2006 05:52 pm, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Steve == Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve So I officially withdraw my objections to qt. I've been using Steve it the past several months, thinking it was Xforms, and liking Steve it just fine. :) If you ever upgrade to 1.4, you will find that the display is significantly slower with qt (for a reason we do not really understand). The old xforms version is still ugly, but snappy. Do I need to recompile to switch to Xforms? SteveT Steve Litt Author: * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/tcourses.htm
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Yaron == Yaron Y Goland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yaron When I first installed LyX 1.4.0 on OS X I had such serious Yaron performance problems that even on my dual proc G5 with 1 gig of Yaron Ram I could trivially type faster than LyX could print out my Yaron characters. So when LyX 1.4.1 was released with a focus on Yaron performance I was very excited. Unfortunately LyX 1.4.1 is as Yaron slow for me as LyX 1.4.0 is. In fact even on simple documents Yaron containing little more than text (e.g. Yaron http://www.goland.org/webtemplate.lyx) just typing simple text Yaron is so slow that I can easily out type LyX. The performance improvements in 1.4.1 were mostly for when typing inside insets. LyX 1.4.2 will have some speedup for LyX/Mac, but there is still some inherent drawing performance problem we are not able to pinpoint. JMarc
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Monday 26 June 2006 01:54 am, Yaron Y. Goland wrote: When I first installed LyX 1.4.0 on OS X I had such serious performance problems that even on my dual proc G5 with 1 gig of Ram I could trivially type faster than LyX could print out my characters. So when LyX 1.4.1 was released with a focus on performance I was very excited. Unfortunately LyX 1.4.1 is as slow for me as LyX 1.4.0 is. In fact even on simple documents containing little more than text (e.g. http://www.goland.org/webtemplate.lyx) just typing simple text is so slow that I can easily out type LyX. Please note that I made sure to delete LyX 1.4.0 and do a new install of LyX 1.4.1 and then confirm that my newly installed program is indeed LyX 1.4.1 If anyone has any suggestions or ideas I would love to hear them because I depend on LyX for a book I'm writing and as things now stand I'm in trouble. Thanks, Yaron Hi Yaron, I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made LyX support multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just Xforms. See if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather than KDE bloated stuff like that. I use the Xforms interface in 1.3.6 (and have for many older versions), and personally I never did see the need to have it support anything else -- after all, LyX is just a simple front end to LaTeX. SteveT -- Steve Litt Author: * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/tcourses.htm (Legal Disclaimer) Follow these suggestions at your own risk.
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi Yaron, I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made LyX support multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just Xforms. See if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather than KDE bloated stuff like that. This is not possible on Mac (natively). 1.4.2 -- currently still undergoing testing -- will be much better for speed on Mac. (It's acceptable for me on a 466 MHz iBook, which was impossible to use with 1.4.1.) Bennett
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Monday 26 June 2006 11:42 am, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi Yaron, I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made LyX support multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just Xforms. See if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather than KDE bloated stuff like that. This is not possible on Mac (natively). Curious -- is it possible on Linux? I'd really hate to have a great product slide backwards just to make a prettier screen and more KDE interoperability or Gnome interoperability, whatever those are. Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Ughh. Is Xforms still available? I like it -- it's worked every time for me since 2000. SteveT Steve Litt Author: * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/tcourses.htm
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Jun 26, 2006, at 1:59 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Monday 26 June 2006 11:42 am, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi Yaron, I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made LyX support multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just Xforms. See if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather than KDE bloated stuff like that. This is not possible on Mac (natively). Curious -- is it possible on Linux? I'd really hate to have a great product slide backwards just to make a prettier screen and more KDE interoperability or Gnome interoperability, whatever those are. Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Ughh. Is Xforms still available? I like it -- it's worked every time for me since 2000. All I meant is that the native Mac port of LyX depends on Qt. LyX-1.4 should work with Xforms on Linux, but on Mac doing so would require an X11 environment that is not nicely integrated with the rest of Mac OS X. (I don't know about Windows.) Bennett
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Steve Litt wrote: On Monday 26 June 2006 11:42 am, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi Yaron, I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made LyX support multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just Xforms. See if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather than KDE bloated stuff like that. This is not possible on Mac (natively). Curious -- is it possible on Linux? Of course - at compile time. What Bennet probably meant was that if you want a native Mac LyX with Aqua GUI you have only one choice: qt. You can of course use LyX xforms via the X server if you want to. I don't know if anybody did it, but assume that xforms is available via fink. I'd really hate to have a great product slide backwards just to make a prettier screen and more KDE interoperability or Gnome interoperability, whatever those are. Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Yes. Ughh. Is Xforms still available? Yes, but probably not in 1.5 when it comes out. Georg
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Steve Litt wrote: Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Yes. It already was in LyX 1.3 IIRC. Ughh. Is Xforms still available? Yes. Still. Jürgen
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Monday 26 June 2006 02:14 pm, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Yes. It already was in LyX 1.3 IIRC. That's interesting. I use 1.3.5 currently. How can I tell whether I'm using Xforms or Qt? I assumed Xforms because it looks the same as it always looked. Thanks SteveT Steve Litt Author: * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/tcourses.htm
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Georg == Georg Baum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Georg Yes. Well, not really. Now there is no default :) JMarc
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Steve == Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve On Monday 26 June 2006 02:14 pm, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Yes. It already was in LyX 1.3 IIRC. Steve That's interesting. I use 1.3.5 currently. How can I tell Steve whether I'm using Xforms or Qt? I assumed Xforms because it Steve looks the same as it always looked. The it is xforms. You can run 'lyx --version' to know for sure. JMarc
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Monday 26 June 2006 04:32 pm, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Steve == Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve On Monday 26 June 2006 02:14 pm, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Yes. It already was in LyX 1.3 IIRC. Steve That's interesting. I use 1.3.5 currently. How can I tell Steve whether I'm using Xforms or Qt? I assumed Xforms because it Steve looks the same as it always looked. The it is xforms. You can run 'lyx --version' to know for sure. JMarc Well looky looky... === [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ lyx --version LyX 1.3.5 of Wed, Oct 6, 2004 Built on Sep 9 2005, 18:48:14 Configuration Host type: i586-mandriva-linux-gnu Special build flags: C Compiler: gcc C Compiler flags: -O2 -pipe -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fomit-frame-pointer -march=i586 -mtune=pentiumpro C++ Compiler: g++ (4.0.1) C++ Compiler flags: -O2 -Wall -W Linker flags: Frontend: qt Qt version: 3.3.4 LyX binary dir: /usr/bin LyX files dir: /usr/share/lyx [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ === I've been using qt all along, and have observed absolutely no problems. Here's what my machine looks like: [EMAIL PROTECTED] proc]$ cat meminfo | head -n2 MemTotal: 1555824 kB MemFree:718944 kB [EMAIL PROTECTED] proc]$ cat cpuinfo | head -n8 processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 6 model : 10 model name : AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2600+ stepping: 0 cpu MHz : 1916.547 cache size : 512 KB [EMAIL PROTECTED] proc]$ uname -a Linux mydesk.domain.cxm 2.6.12-12mdk #1 Fri Sep 9 18:15:22 CEST 2005 i686 AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2600+ unknown GNU/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] proc]$ So I officially withdraw my objections to qt. I've been using it the past several months, thinking it was Xforms, and liking it just fine. Thanks for the tip! SteveT Steve Litt Author: * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/tcourses.htm
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Steve == Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve So I officially withdraw my objections to qt. I've been using Steve it the past several months, thinking it was Xforms, and liking Steve it just fine. :) If you ever upgrade to 1.4, you will find that the display is significantly slower with qt (for a reason we do not really understand). The old xforms version is still ugly, but snappy. JMarc
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Monday 26 June 2006 05:52 pm, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Steve == Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve So I officially withdraw my objections to qt. I've been using Steve it the past several months, thinking it was Xforms, and liking Steve it just fine. :) If you ever upgrade to 1.4, you will find that the display is significantly slower with qt (for a reason we do not really understand). The old xforms version is still ugly, but snappy. Do I need to recompile to switch to Xforms? SteveT Steve Litt Author: * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/tcourses.htm
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
> "Yaron" == Yaron Y Goland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Yaron> When I first installed LyX 1.4.0 on OS X I had such serious Yaron> performance problems that even on my dual proc G5 with 1 gig of Yaron> Ram I could trivially type faster than LyX could print out my Yaron> characters. So when LyX 1.4.1 was released with a focus on Yaron> performance I was very excited. Unfortunately LyX 1.4.1 is as Yaron> slow for me as LyX 1.4.0 is. In fact even on simple documents Yaron> containing little more than text (e.g. Yaron> http://www.goland.org/webtemplate.lyx) just typing simple text Yaron> is so slow that I can easily out type LyX. The performance improvements in 1.4.1 were mostly for when typing inside insets. LyX 1.4.2 will have some speedup for LyX/Mac, but there is still some inherent drawing performance problem we are not able to pinpoint. JMarc
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Monday 26 June 2006 01:54 am, Yaron Y. Goland wrote: > When I first installed LyX 1.4.0 on OS X I had such serious > performance problems that even on my dual proc G5 with 1 gig of Ram I > could trivially type faster than LyX could print out my characters. > So when LyX 1.4.1 was released with a focus on performance I was very > excited. Unfortunately LyX 1.4.1 is as slow for me as LyX 1.4.0 is. > In fact even on simple documents containing little more than text > (e.g. http://www.goland.org/webtemplate.lyx) just typing simple text > is so slow that I can easily out type LyX. > > Please note that I made sure to delete LyX 1.4.0 and do a new install > of LyX 1.4.1 and then confirm that my newly installed program is > indeed LyX 1.4.1 > > If anyone has any suggestions or ideas I would love to hear them > because I depend on LyX for a book I'm writing and as things now > stand I'm in trouble. > > Thanks, > > Yaron Hi Yaron, I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made LyX support multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just Xforms. See if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather than KDE bloated stuff like that. I use the Xforms interface in 1.3.6 (and have for many older versions), and personally I never did see the need to have it support anything else -- after all, LyX is just a simple front end to LaTeX. SteveT -- Steve Litt Author: * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/tcourses.htm (Legal Disclaimer) Follow these suggestions at your own risk.
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi Yaron, I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made LyX support multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just Xforms. See if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather than KDE bloated stuff like that. This is not possible on Mac (natively). 1.4.2 -- currently still undergoing testing -- will be much better for speed on Mac. (It's acceptable for me on a 466 MHz iBook, which was impossible to use with 1.4.1.) Bennett
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Monday 26 June 2006 11:42 am, Bennett Helm wrote: > On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi Yaron, > > > > I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made > > LyX support > > multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just > > Xforms. See > > if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather > > than KDE > > bloated stuff like that. > > This is not possible on Mac (natively). Curious -- is it possible on Linux? I'd really hate to have a great product slide backwards just to make a prettier screen and more "KDE interoperability" or "Gnome interoperability", whatever those are. Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Ughh. Is Xforms still available? I like it -- it's worked every time for me since 2000. SteveT Steve Litt Author: * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/tcourses.htm
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Jun 26, 2006, at 1:59 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Monday 26 June 2006 11:42 am, Bennett Helm wrote: On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote: Hi Yaron, I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made LyX support multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just Xforms. See if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather than KDE bloated stuff like that. This is not possible on Mac (natively). Curious -- is it possible on Linux? I'd really hate to have a great product slide backwards just to make a prettier screen and more "KDE interoperability" or "Gnome interoperability", whatever those are. Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Ughh. Is Xforms still available? I like it -- it's worked every time for me since 2000. All I meant is that the native Mac port of LyX depends on Qt. LyX-1.4 should work with Xforms on Linux, but on Mac doing so would require an X11 environment that is not nicely integrated with the rest of Mac OS X. (I don't know about Windows.) Bennett
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Steve Litt wrote: > On Monday 26 June 2006 11:42 am, Bennett Helm wrote: >> On Jun 26, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote: >> > Hi Yaron, >> > >> > I've never used LyX 1.4.x, but from what I understand they've made >> > LyX support >> > multiple graphics libraries, whereas in the old days it was just >> > Xforms. See >> > if there's any way to configure your LyX so it uses Xforms rather >> > than KDE >> > bloated stuff like that. >> >> This is not possible on Mac (natively). > > Curious -- is it possible on Linux? Of course - at compile time. What Bennet probably meant was that if you want a native Mac LyX with Aqua GUI you have only one choice: qt. You can of course use LyX xforms via the X server if you want to. I don't know if anybody did it, but assume that xforms is available via fink. > I'd really hate to have a great > product slide backwards just to make a prettier screen and more "KDE > interoperability" or "Gnome interoperability", whatever those are. > > Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Yes. > Ughh. Is Xforms still > available? Yes, but probably not in 1.5 when it comes out. Georg
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
Steve Litt wrote: > Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Yes. It already was in LyX 1.3 IIRC. > Ughh. Is Xforms still > available? Yes. Still. Jürgen
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Monday 26 June 2006 02:14 pm, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? > > Yes. It already was in LyX 1.3 IIRC. That's interesting. I use 1.3.5 currently. How can I tell whether I'm using Xforms or Qt? I assumed Xforms because it looks the same as it always looked. Thanks SteveT Steve Litt Author: * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/tcourses.htm
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
> "Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? Georg> Yes. Well, not really. Now there is no default :) JMarc
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
> "Steve" == Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steve> On Monday 26 June 2006 02:14 pm, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: >> Steve Litt wrote: > Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? >> >> Yes. It already was in LyX 1.3 IIRC. Steve> That's interesting. I use 1.3.5 currently. How can I tell Steve> whether I'm using Xforms or Qt? I assumed Xforms because it Steve> looks the same as it always looked. The it is xforms. You can run 'lyx --version' to know for sure. JMarc
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Monday 26 June 2006 04:32 pm, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Steve" == Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Steve> On Monday 26 June 2006 02:14 pm, Juergen Spitzmueller wrote: > >> Steve Litt wrote: > Is the default graphics library on LyX 1.4 Qt? > >> > >> Yes. It already was in LyX 1.3 IIRC. > > Steve> That's interesting. I use 1.3.5 currently. How can I tell > Steve> whether I'm using Xforms or Qt? I assumed Xforms because it > Steve> looks the same as it always looked. > > The it is xforms. You can run 'lyx --version' to know for sure. > > JMarc Well looky looky... === [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ lyx --version LyX 1.3.5 of Wed, Oct 6, 2004 Built on Sep 9 2005, 18:48:14 Configuration Host type: i586-mandriva-linux-gnu Special build flags: C Compiler: gcc C Compiler flags: -O2 -pipe -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fomit-frame-pointer -march=i586 -mtune=pentiumpro C++ Compiler: g++ (4.0.1) C++ Compiler flags: -O2 -Wall -W Linker flags: Frontend: qt Qt version: 3.3.4 LyX binary dir: /usr/bin LyX files dir: /usr/share/lyx [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ === I've been using qt all along, and have observed absolutely no problems. Here's what my machine looks like: [EMAIL PROTECTED] proc]$ cat meminfo | head -n2 MemTotal: 1555824 kB MemFree:718944 kB [EMAIL PROTECTED] proc]$ cat cpuinfo | head -n8 processor : 0 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 6 model : 10 model name : AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2600+ stepping: 0 cpu MHz : 1916.547 cache size : 512 KB [EMAIL PROTECTED] proc]$ uname -a Linux mydesk.domain.cxm 2.6.12-12mdk #1 Fri Sep 9 18:15:22 CEST 2005 i686 AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2600+ unknown GNU/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] proc]$ So I officially withdraw my objections to qt. I've been using it the past several months, thinking it was Xforms, and liking it just fine. Thanks for the tip! SteveT Steve Litt Author: * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/tcourses.htm
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
> "Steve" == Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Steve> So I officially withdraw my objections to qt. I've been using Steve> it the past several months, thinking it was Xforms, and liking Steve> it just fine. :) If you ever upgrade to 1.4, you will find that the display is significantly slower with qt (for a reason we do not really understand). The old xforms version is still ugly, but snappy. JMarc
Re: Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
On Monday 26 June 2006 05:52 pm, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Steve" == Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Steve> So I officially withdraw my objections to qt. I've been using > Steve> it the past several months, thinking it was Xforms, and liking > Steve> it just fine. > > :) > > If you ever upgrade to 1.4, you will find that the display is > significantly slower with qt (for a reason we do not really > understand). The old xforms version is still ugly, but snappy. Do I need to recompile to switch to Xforms? SteveT Steve Litt Author: * Universal Troubleshooting Process courseware * Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist * Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting * Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting * Rapid Learning: Secret Weapon of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/bookstore http://www.troubleshooters.com/utp/tcourses.htm
Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
When I first installed LyX 1.4.0 on OS X I had such serious performance problems that even on my dual proc G5 with 1 gig of Ram I could trivially type faster than LyX could print out my characters. So when LyX 1.4.1 was released with a focus on performance I was very excited. Unfortunately LyX 1.4.1 is as slow for me as LyX 1.4.0 is. In fact even on simple documents containing little more than text (e.g. http://www.goland.org/webtemplate.lyx) just typing simple text is so slow that I can easily out type LyX. Please note that I made sure to delete LyX 1.4.0 and do a new install of LyX 1.4.1 and then confirm that my newly installed program is indeed LyX 1.4.1 If anyone has any suggestions or ideas I would love to hear them because I depend on LyX for a book I'm writing and as things now stand I'm in trouble. Thanks, Yaron
Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
When I first installed LyX 1.4.0 on OS X I had such serious performance problems that even on my dual proc G5 with 1 gig of Ram I could trivially type faster than LyX could print out my characters. So when LyX 1.4.1 was released with a focus on performance I was very excited. Unfortunately LyX 1.4.1 is as slow for me as LyX 1.4.0 is. In fact even on simple documents containing little more than text (e.g. http://www.goland.org/webtemplate.lyx) just typing simple text is so slow that I can easily out type LyX. Please note that I made sure to delete LyX 1.4.0 and do a new install of LyX 1.4.1 and then confirm that my newly installed program is indeed LyX 1.4.1 If anyone has any suggestions or ideas I would love to hear them because I depend on LyX for a book I'm writing and as things now stand I'm in trouble. Thanks, Yaron
Serious performance problem with LyX 1.4.1 on OS X
When I first installed LyX 1.4.0 on OS X I had such serious performance problems that even on my dual proc G5 with 1 gig of Ram I could trivially type faster than LyX could print out my characters. So when LyX 1.4.1 was released with a focus on performance I was very excited. Unfortunately LyX 1.4.1 is as slow for me as LyX 1.4.0 is. In fact even on simple documents containing little more than text (e.g. http://www.goland.org/webtemplate.lyx) just typing simple text is so slow that I can easily out type LyX. Please note that I made sure to delete LyX 1.4.0 and do a new install of LyX 1.4.1 and then confirm that my newly installed program is indeed LyX 1.4.1 If anyone has any suggestions or ideas I would love to hear them because I depend on LyX for a book I'm writing and as things now stand I'm in trouble. Thanks, Yaron
