Re: LyX Question: PDF Generation

[José Matos]

On Sat, 2022-12-31 at 15:51 +, MacKunis, William wrote:
> Hi There,
>  
> I’m new to LyX, and I’m getting the following error when I try to
> view the PDF of the tutorial:

What does Document -> LaTeX log (upper menu) shows?

The second problem is self-descriptive. :-)
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Re: short movie (html) in lyx produced pdf

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Protect the sucker :-)-O

el


On 2016-12-01 12:12, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
> I would like to make several short movie clips such as
> 
> https://publikationen.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/handle/10900/49802
> 
> klickable in a pdf file. This file will be stored at the university of
> Tuebingen library publication service
> 
> https://publikationen.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/handle/10900/42126?locale-attribute=en
> 
> 
> and I would prefer to store it as a pdf file, not (or in addition to) a
> htm file.
> 
> The movie clips should be shown, if possible, by most of the viewers
> used by readers. I am using Dolphin.
> 
> Could this be done using lyx to produce the pdf file?
> 
> Wolfgang
> 
> 

short movie (html) in lyx produced pdf

[Wolfgang Engelmann]

I would like to make several short movie clips such as

https://publikationen.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/handle/10900/49802

klickable in a pdf file. This file will be stored at the university of 
Tuebingen library publication service


https://publikationen.uni-tuebingen.de/xmlui/handle/10900/42126?locale-attribute=en

and I would prefer to store it as a pdf file, not (or in addition to) a 
htm file.


The movie clips should be shown, if possible, by most of the viewers 
used by readers. I am using Dolphin.


Could this be done using lyx to produce the pdf file?

Wolfgang

lyx exportiert pdf nicht korrekt und druckt nicht

[Christian Finze]

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

   Ich habe ein Lenovo Thinkpad T 500 mit Win 7 64-bit, welches normal 
funktioniert.
Ich bin Schriftsteller und möchte Lyx für mein neues Buch benutzen, ein 
Geschichtswerk.

   Ich habe daher Lyx 2.0.7 heruntergeladen und installiert - komplette mit 
MiKTxt 2.9 - und als Versuch eine kleine Datei geschrieben (Kopie anbei).

   Wenn ich versuche, diese Datei als pdf zu exportieren, erhalte ich entweder 
Fehlermeldungen oder als pdf gekennzeichnete Dateien, die aber weder mit Adobe 
Reader noch mit PDF X-Change Viewer geöffnet werden können.

   Ich habe dann eine zweite Datei mit nur einer Zeile Text geschrieben und 
dann klappt der Export. Vielleicht ist es also ein Problem mit der Formatierung 
der erstgenannten Datei , auch wenn sie m.E. nach ziemlich simpel ist - ein 
paar Seiten Text und Zitate und ein paar Fußnoten.
Können Sie helfen?

   Jedoch kann ich aus der Lyx - Oberfläche heraus keine der beiden Dateien 
drucken - es kommt nichts beim Drucker an.
Bitte helft!

   Mit freundlichen Grüssen,

Christian Finze

lyx exportiert pdf nicht korrekt und druckt nicht

[Christian Finze]

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

   Ich habe ein Lenovo Thinkpad T 500 mit Win 7 64-bit, welches normal 
funktioniert.
Ich bin Schriftsteller und möchte Lyx für mein neues Buch benutzen, ein 
Geschichtswerk.

   Ich habe daher Lyx 2.0.7 heruntergeladen und installiert - komplette mit 
MiKTxt 2.9 - und als Versuch eine kleine Datei geschrieben (Kopie anbei).

   Wenn ich versuche, diese Datei als pdf zu exportieren, erhalte ich entweder 
Fehlermeldungen oder als pdf gekennzeichnete Dateien, die aber weder mit Adobe 
Reader noch mit PDF X-Change Viewer geöffnet werden können.

   Ich habe dann eine zweite Datei mit nur einer Zeile Text geschrieben und 
dann klappt der Export. Vielleicht ist es also ein Problem mit der Formatierung 
der erstgenannten Datei , auch wenn sie m.E. nach ziemlich simpel ist - ein 
paar Seiten Text und Zitate und ein paar Fußnoten.
Können Sie helfen?

   Jedoch kann ich aus der Lyx - Oberfläche heraus keine der beiden Dateien 
drucken - es kommt nichts beim Drucker an.
Bitte helft!

   Mit freundlichen Grüssen,

Christian Finze

lyx exportiert pdf nicht korrekt und druckt nicht

[Christian Finze]

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

   Ich habe ein Lenovo Thinkpad T 500 mit Win 7 64-bit, welches normal 
funktioniert.
Ich bin Schriftsteller und möchte Lyx für mein neues Buch benutzen, ein 
Geschichtswerk.

   Ich habe daher Lyx 2.0.7 heruntergeladen und installiert - komplette mit 
MiKTxt 2.9 - und als Versuch eine kleine Datei geschrieben (Kopie anbei).

   Wenn ich versuche, diese Datei als pdf zu exportieren, erhalte ich entweder 
Fehlermeldungen oder als pdf gekennzeichnete Dateien, die aber weder mit Adobe 
Reader noch mit PDF X-Change Viewer geöffnet werden können.

   Ich habe dann eine zweite Datei mit nur einer Zeile Text geschrieben und 
dann klappt der Export. Vielleicht ist es also ein Problem mit der Formatierung 
der erstgenannten Datei , auch wenn sie m.E. nach ziemlich simpel ist - ein 
paar Seiten Text und Zitate und ein paar Fußnoten.
Können Sie helfen?

   Jedoch kann ich aus der Lyx - Oberfläche heraus keine der beiden Dateien 
drucken - es kommt nichts beim Drucker an.
Bitte helft!

   Mit freundlichen Grüssen,

Christian Finze

Re: LyX 1.6.8: pdf-Export

[Paul Rubin]

HHa hha4491 at web.de writes:

 
 ich habe von einem Bekannten eine lyx-Datei ohne die zugehörigen Bilder
bekommen, die 
 ich u. a. mit dvipdfm und ps2pdf exportieren kann, aber nicht mit pdflatex.
Die 
 fehlenden Bilder werden moniert. Warum?

Does pdflatex complain that it cannot determine the sizes of the missing images?
 This is normal for pdflatex, whereas DVI and PS output just puts arbitrary
boxes containing the file names where the images should go.  If you want to
export using pdflatex, and you cannot obtain the images, you can either
substitute other images or delete the images from the LyX file (possibly just
substitute their names, in text).

Cheers,
Paul

Re: LyX 1.6.8: pdf-Export

[Paul Rubin]

HHa hha4491 at web.de writes:

 
 ich habe von einem Bekannten eine lyx-Datei ohne die zugehörigen Bilder
bekommen, die 
 ich u. a. mit dvipdfm und ps2pdf exportieren kann, aber nicht mit pdflatex.
Die 
 fehlenden Bilder werden moniert. Warum?

Does pdflatex complain that it cannot determine the sizes of the missing images?
 This is normal for pdflatex, whereas DVI and PS output just puts arbitrary
boxes containing the file names where the images should go.  If you want to
export using pdflatex, and you cannot obtain the images, you can either
substitute other images or delete the images from the LyX file (possibly just
substitute their names, in text).

Cheers,
Paul

Re: LyX 1.6.8: pdf-Export

[Paul Rubin]

HHa  web.de> writes:

> 
> ich habe von einem Bekannten eine lyx-Datei ohne die zugehörigen Bilder
bekommen, die 
> ich u. a. mit dvipdfm und ps2pdf exportieren kann, aber nicht mit pdflatex.
Die 
> fehlenden Bilder werden moniert. Warum?

Does pdflatex complain that it cannot determine the sizes of the missing images?
 This is normal for pdflatex, whereas DVI and PS output just puts arbitrary
boxes containing the file names where the images should go.  If you want to
export using pdflatex, and you cannot obtain the images, you can either
substitute other images or delete the images from the LyX file (possibly just
substitute their names, in text).

Cheers,
Paul

LyX 1.6.8: pdf-Export

[HHa]

Hallo Liste,
ich habe von einem Bekannten eine lyx-Datei ohne die zugehörigen Bilder 
bekommen, die 
ich u. a. mit dvipdfm und ps2pdf exportieren kann, aber nicht mit pdflatex. Die 
fehlenden Bilder werden moniert. Warum?
-- 
Viele Grüße,
Hartmut Haase

Hungerhilfe: http://www.thehungersite.com

Ohne Zensur suchen:
http://suche.amnesty-bergedorf.de/

ökologisch suchen:
http://www.ecosia.de

Das heutige Motto:
Man kann gar nicht so dumm denken wie manche Leute sind. 

Re: LyX 1.6.8: pdf-Export

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

HHa wrote:
 ich habe von einem Bekannten eine lyx-Datei ohne die zugehörigen Bilder
 bekommen, die  ich u. a. mit dvipdfm und ps2pdf exportieren kann, aber
 nicht mit pdflatex. Die fehlenden Bilder werden moniert. Warum?

We cannot help you without an example file.

Jürgen

LyX 1.6.8: pdf-Export

[HHa]

Hallo Liste,
ich habe von einem Bekannten eine lyx-Datei ohne die zugehörigen Bilder 
bekommen, die 
ich u. a. mit dvipdfm und ps2pdf exportieren kann, aber nicht mit pdflatex. Die 
fehlenden Bilder werden moniert. Warum?
-- 
Viele Grüße,
Hartmut Haase

Hungerhilfe: http://www.thehungersite.com

Ohne Zensur suchen:
http://suche.amnesty-bergedorf.de/

ökologisch suchen:
http://www.ecosia.de

Das heutige Motto:
Man kann gar nicht so dumm denken wie manche Leute sind. 

Re: LyX 1.6.8: pdf-Export

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

HHa wrote:
 ich habe von einem Bekannten eine lyx-Datei ohne die zugehörigen Bilder
 bekommen, die  ich u. a. mit dvipdfm und ps2pdf exportieren kann, aber
 nicht mit pdflatex. Die fehlenden Bilder werden moniert. Warum?

We cannot help you without an example file.

Jürgen

LyX 1.6.8: pdf-Export

[HHa]

Hallo Liste,
ich habe von einem Bekannten eine lyx-Datei ohne die zugehörigen Bilder 
bekommen, die 
ich u. a. mit dvipdfm und ps2pdf exportieren kann, aber nicht mit pdflatex. Die 
fehlenden Bilder werden moniert. Warum?
-- 
Viele Grüße,
Hartmut Haase

Hungerhilfe: http://www.thehungersite.com

Ohne Zensur suchen:
http://suche.amnesty-bergedorf.de/

ökologisch suchen:
http://www.ecosia.de

Das heutige Motto:
Man kann gar nicht so dumm denken wie manche Leute sind. 

Re: LyX 1.6.8: pdf-Export

[Jürgen Spitzmüller]

HHa wrote:
> ich habe von einem Bekannten eine lyx-Datei ohne die zugehörigen Bilder
> bekommen, die  ich u. a. mit dvipdfm und ps2pdf exportieren kann, aber
> nicht mit pdflatex. Die fehlenden Bilder werden moniert. Warum?

We cannot help you without an example file.

Jürgen

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Helge Hafting]

Steve Litt wrote:

Good information here Helge...

On Tuesday 10 November 2009 08:12:37 Helge Hafting wrote:

ask2 wrote:

Hi
I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it is
if the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunaltely that never
is the case.

So am I just stupid or is there a way to get really high quality pdf from
LYX?

Yes. Make sure the default font is not a bitmap font. Unfortunately, the
default font is a bitmap font. You must change it.

So, go Document-Settings-Fonts and choose something else instead of
standard. There is Latin Modern if you like the look of the
standard font on paper, but want nice pdf. Or select something else
like Times Roman, Palatino, . . .


Helge -- I've been using Century Schoolbook, which shows up as one of the 
choices with LyX as it comes with Mandriva and Ubuntu. Is Century Schoolbook a 
vector font? I found  Latin Modern too light and stringy.


I don't know. Last time I tested, only the Default resulted in ugly 
PDFs. That was a long time ago though. The test is simple enough - write 
with the font you want to test, and view the resulting PDF in adobe 
acrobat. In acrobat, zoom in as much as possible.


If the huge glyphs on your screen looks ok, then it is a good vector 
font. If there are staircase effects on anything that should be round 
or slanted, then you have a bitmap font.


You should use acrobat for this test. Some other PDF viewers handle 
bitmap fonts better, and don't get such visible problems.




To avoid making this change for every document, save it as the new default.


Main purpose is to read on the computer so both images and text should be
suitable for that.

That took care of the text, now for the images. What exactly is the
problem with your images?

If you draw something, make vector graphics rather than bitmaps, if
possible. If you need screenshots, use png. Never jpeg, jpeg is only
for photos.


I didn't know .png is a vector graphic. 


No, png is not a vector format. But a PC/mac screenshot is never in 
vector format anyway. The point was - when you need bitmaps, use good 
ones. Jpeg will mess up any hard edges (such as a screenshot with
text and window edges in it.) Jpeg is fine for photos - that is what 
jpeg was designed for. (Joint Photographic Expert Group.) Unfortunately,
too many people abuse jpeg for screenshots and line drawing, mistakenly 
thinking it is some kind of generig graphics format. It is definitely not!


I've been converting graphics to PDF 
before using them -- PDF *is* a vector format after all, and it seems to scale 
well. However, it would be soo much easier to use .png. Thanks for the 
tip.


If your material is bitmap graphics, then png is a good choice. Note 
that bitmaps can be converted to PDF, but that does not make it vector 
graphics. This because PDF can embed bitmaps. (And so can postscript.)


If your app can save as pdf, ps, eps or svg, then chances are it makes 
vector graphics. And then it makes sense to keep the graphics in vector

form all the way to the printer or the reader's screen.


The problem with bitmaps is that they has limited resolution. If the 
reader's screen (or the printer ot be used) has higher resolution, then 
the bitmap has to be upscaled. Upscaling is _never_ a perfect process. 
It tend to introduce staircase effects on slanted lines, or possibly 
blurriness in an attempt to cover up the staircase effects.



There are always someone with high-end equipment that has a 
higher-resolution screen than you. And even the cheap printers has much 
higher resolution than the best screen around. You can fix this by 
making bitmaps with very high resolution, but then the files get 
enormous and cumbersome.


Vector graphics have no such problems. They are not arrays of pixels, 
but a set of drawing commands. [Draw a green line from location (5,5) to 
location (1882,9644) and so on.] Such drawing commands work with any 
resolution, be it a 96 dpi screen, or a 1200 dpi photosetter. The output 
is as good as it gets on that output device, no matter what. And the 
files are considerably smaller than high-resolution bitmaps too.


It is the same with fonts. A vector font consist of drawing instructions
for each letter. (A T is a couple of lines with a specific thickness, 
and so on.) A bitmap font provides a bitmap. The bitmap is ok at some 
resolution, and insufficient at higher resolutions. Historically, the 
bitmap approach was considered easier.



As far as the original poster, I've found that the output quality depends as 
much on the PDF reader as anything else. I've had docs that were beautiful on 
Acroread and ugly on xpdf, and others that were ugly on Acroread and beautiful 
on xpdf. I hate to admit it, but if my eBooks look good on Acroread, that 
satisfies 95% of my potential readers so I let it go that way.


Most people use acrobat indeed. Acrobat does not handle bitmap fonts too 
well, especially not if you magnify. This is why

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Helge Hafting]

Steve Litt wrote:

Good information here Helge...

On Tuesday 10 November 2009 08:12:37 Helge Hafting wrote:

ask2 wrote:

Hi
I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it is
if the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunaltely that never
is the case.

So am I just stupid or is there a way to get really high quality pdf from
LYX?

Yes. Make sure the default font is not a bitmap font. Unfortunately, the
default font is a bitmap font. You must change it.

So, go Document-Settings-Fonts and choose something else instead of
standard. There is Latin Modern if you like the look of the
standard font on paper, but want nice pdf. Or select something else
like Times Roman, Palatino, . . .


Helge -- I've been using Century Schoolbook, which shows up as one of the 
choices with LyX as it comes with Mandriva and Ubuntu. Is Century Schoolbook a 
vector font? I found  Latin Modern too light and stringy.


I don't know. Last time I tested, only the Default resulted in ugly 
PDFs. That was a long time ago though. The test is simple enough - write 
with the font you want to test, and view the resulting PDF in adobe 
acrobat. In acrobat, zoom in as much as possible.


If the huge glyphs on your screen looks ok, then it is a good vector 
font. If there are staircase effects on anything that should be round 
or slanted, then you have a bitmap font.


You should use acrobat for this test. Some other PDF viewers handle 
bitmap fonts better, and don't get such visible problems.




To avoid making this change for every document, save it as the new default.


Main purpose is to read on the computer so both images and text should be
suitable for that.

That took care of the text, now for the images. What exactly is the
problem with your images?

If you draw something, make vector graphics rather than bitmaps, if
possible. If you need screenshots, use png. Never jpeg, jpeg is only
for photos.


I didn't know .png is a vector graphic. 


No, png is not a vector format. But a PC/mac screenshot is never in 
vector format anyway. The point was - when you need bitmaps, use good 
ones. Jpeg will mess up any hard edges (such as a screenshot with
text and window edges in it.) Jpeg is fine for photos - that is what 
jpeg was designed for. (Joint Photographic Expert Group.) Unfortunately,
too many people abuse jpeg for screenshots and line drawing, mistakenly 
thinking it is some kind of generig graphics format. It is definitely not!


I've been converting graphics to PDF 
before using them -- PDF *is* a vector format after all, and it seems to scale 
well. However, it would be soo much easier to use .png. Thanks for the 
tip.


If your material is bitmap graphics, then png is a good choice. Note 
that bitmaps can be converted to PDF, but that does not make it vector 
graphics. This because PDF can embed bitmaps. (And so can postscript.)


If your app can save as pdf, ps, eps or svg, then chances are it makes 
vector graphics. And then it makes sense to keep the graphics in vector

form all the way to the printer or the reader's screen.


The problem with bitmaps is that they has limited resolution. If the 
reader's screen (or the printer ot be used) has higher resolution, then 
the bitmap has to be upscaled. Upscaling is _never_ a perfect process. 
It tend to introduce staircase effects on slanted lines, or possibly 
blurriness in an attempt to cover up the staircase effects.



There are always someone with high-end equipment that has a 
higher-resolution screen than you. And even the cheap printers has much 
higher resolution than the best screen around. You can fix this by 
making bitmaps with very high resolution, but then the files get 
enormous and cumbersome.


Vector graphics have no such problems. They are not arrays of pixels, 
but a set of drawing commands. [Draw a green line from location (5,5) to 
location (1882,9644) and so on.] Such drawing commands work with any 
resolution, be it a 96 dpi screen, or a 1200 dpi photosetter. The output 
is as good as it gets on that output device, no matter what. And the 
files are considerably smaller than high-resolution bitmaps too.


It is the same with fonts. A vector font consist of drawing instructions
for each letter. (A T is a couple of lines with a specific thickness, 
and so on.) A bitmap font provides a bitmap. The bitmap is ok at some 
resolution, and insufficient at higher resolutions. Historically, the 
bitmap approach was considered easier.



As far as the original poster, I've found that the output quality depends as 
much on the PDF reader as anything else. I've had docs that were beautiful on 
Acroread and ugly on xpdf, and others that were ugly on Acroread and beautiful 
on xpdf. I hate to admit it, but if my eBooks look good on Acroread, that 
satisfies 95% of my potential readers so I let it go that way.


Most people use acrobat indeed. Acrobat does not handle bitmap fonts too 
well, especially not if you magnify. This is why

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Helge Hafting]

Steve Litt wrote:

Good information here Helge...

On Tuesday 10 November 2009 08:12:37 Helge Hafting wrote:

ask2 wrote:

Hi
I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it is
if the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunaltely that never
is the case.

So am I just stupid or is there a way to get really high quality pdf from
LYX?

Yes. Make sure the default font is not a bitmap font. Unfortunately, the
default font is a bitmap font. You must change it.

So, go "Document->Settings->Fonts" and choose something else instead of
"standard". There is "Latin Modern" if you like the look of the
standard font on paper, but want nice pdf. Or select something else
like Times Roman, Palatino, . . .


Helge -- I've been using Century Schoolbook, which shows up as one of the 
choices with LyX as it comes with Mandriva and Ubuntu. Is Century Schoolbook a 
vector font? I found  Latin Modern too light and stringy.


I don't know. Last time I tested, only the "Default" resulted in ugly 
PDFs. That was a long time ago though. The test is simple enough - write 
with the font you want to test, and view the resulting PDF in adobe 
acrobat. In acrobat, zoom in as much as possible.


If the huge glyphs on your screen looks ok, then it is a good vector 
font. If there are "staircase effects" on anything that should be round 
or slanted, then you have a bitmap font.


You should use acrobat for this test. Some other PDF viewers handle 
bitmap fonts better, and don't get such visible problems.




To avoid making this change for every document, save it as the new default.


Main purpose is to read on the computer so both images and text should be
suitable for that.

That took care of the text, now for the images. What exactly is the
problem with your images?

If you draw something, make vector graphics rather than bitmaps, if
possible. If you need screenshots, use png. Never jpeg, jpeg is only
for photos.


I didn't know .png is a vector graphic. 


No, png is not a vector format. But a PC/mac screenshot is never in 
vector format anyway. The point was - when you need bitmaps, use good 
ones. Jpeg will mess up any hard edges (such as a screenshot with
text and window edges in it.) Jpeg is fine for photos - that is what 
jpeg was designed for. (Joint Photographic Expert Group.) Unfortunately,
too many people abuse jpeg for screenshots and line drawing, mistakenly 
thinking it is some kind of generig graphics format. It is definitely not!


I've been converting graphics to PDF 
before using them -- PDF *is* a vector format after all, and it seems to scale 
well. However, it would be soo much easier to use .png. Thanks for the 
tip.


If your material is bitmap graphics, then png is a good choice. Note 
that bitmaps can be converted to PDF, but that does not make it vector 
graphics. This because PDF can embed bitmaps. (And so can postscript.)


If your app can save as pdf, ps, eps or svg, then chances are it makes 
vector graphics. And then it makes sense to keep the graphics in vector

form all the way to the printer or the reader's screen.


The problem with bitmaps is that they has limited resolution. If the 
reader's screen (or the printer ot be used) has higher resolution, then 
the bitmap has to be upscaled. Upscaling is _never_ a perfect process. 
It tend to introduce staircase effects on slanted lines, or possibly 
blurriness in an attempt to cover up the staircase effects.



There are always someone with high-end equipment that has a 
higher-resolution screen than you. And even the cheap printers has much 
higher resolution than the best screen around. You can fix this by 
making bitmaps with very high resolution, but then the files get 
enormous and cumbersome.


Vector graphics have no such problems. They are not arrays of pixels, 
but a set of drawing commands. [Draw a green line from location (5,5) to 
location (1882,9644) and so on.] Such drawing commands work with any 
resolution, be it a 96 dpi screen, or a 1200 dpi photosetter. The output 
is as good as it gets on that output device, no matter what. And the 
files are considerably smaller than high-resolution bitmaps too.


It is the same with fonts. A vector font consist of drawing instructions
for each letter. (A "T" is a couple of lines with a specific thickness, 
and so on.) A bitmap font provides a bitmap. The bitmap is ok at some 
resolution, and insufficient at higher resolutions. Historically, the 
bitmap approach was considered easier.



As far as the original poster, I've found that the output quality depends as 
much on the PDF reader as anything else. I've had docs that were beautiful on 
Acroread and ugly on xpdf, and others that were ugly on Acroread and beautiful 
on xpdf. I hate to admit it, but if my eBooks look good on Acroread, that 
satisfies 95% of my potential readers so I let it go that way.


Most people use acrobat indeed. Acrobat doe

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Guenter Milde wrote:
 Suggestion:
   Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard template?

   LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the de-facto
   standard for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.

 unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the
 first sight.

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

Let me try to defuse some objections from the discussion 1 1/2 years ago:

LM are [...] not by default included in all LaTeX distributions, for
 example not in MiKTeX.

1. This would indeed be a problem, but is this still true today?

2. The Debian LyX package could recommend the lmodern package.

   The Windows-Installer could recommend loading at least the T1 encoded
   LM fonts.


LM are included in basic versions of TeXLive and MiKTeX, but the problem
is that we still have teTeX users where LM is not included.

A. I argue that teTeX users are by now a minority that can be expected to
   change a setting that suits most users of up-to-date LaTeX
   installations.
   

there's no reason to force users to use a certain font and not the LaTeX
 default one.
  
1. There is a reason: 
  
   * LyX does not use the default TeX font encoding (OT1) but
 the T1 encoding (for sensible reasons).
 
   * In this encoding, the TeX default fonts (CM) are only available as
 bitmaps.
  
2. We do not force users to use a certain font but set a working
   font-encoding/font combination as initial default.
 
   My suggestion is *not* to change the meaning of [Default] but to set
   [Latin Modern] in the standard *template*. This is easily reversed by
   the user:
 * Make a document
 * use the menu Document-Settings-Fonts
 * Set the Roman font, Sans serif font and Typewriter font to Default.
 * Use the button Save as Document Defaults.

   
Why do you think we should especially use LM and not TeXGyre or one of
 the various other beautiful fonts?

1. Principle of minimal change/surprise:
   We'll let the pre-set font *look like* the default one.
  
2. As CM lookalike, LM works best with the various extensions/symbols
   created for CM. Hence LM has the best available math support.
   
3. If you want a font, select one and then it's up to you how the result
   looks and you are aware of that selecting a different font leads to a
   different output.

LM and CM differs also in shapes, a good example is the German sharp s
ß character.

1. These changes are still minor in comparision to selecting a completely
   different font, so they do not impede the compatibility with other
   fonts designed to work with CM.
 
2. Opinions differ, but for me the Geman sharp s 'ß' (the es-zet) is an
   example for the Internationality of the LM fonts. The LM ß is the
   version recommended in German typesetting (Sulzbacher Form), while
   the CM ß is a ligature of ſ (long s) and s.
  
I don't think that they should be set as default. When you create a
 new document, the corresponding latex file should ideally be

  \documentclass{article}
  \begin{document}
  \end{document}


A. In this case, you would need to turn off hyperref anyway. 
   Just reset the fonts to [Default], too.
   

you could choose to load your own font package in order to substitute
 standard fonts with something else. So, if we load, without you knowing
 it, the lmodern package, a clash could arise
 
A. You will see [Latin Modern] in the font selection GUI. Just reset the
   to [Default].
   

lmodern is about 12 MB to download and we got complaints that I we even
check if this font is installed as this could lead to a package download,
but not everybody has a flatrate 

A. Without flatrate, you should not set up non-interactive package download.

 This one's easy to argue against. First of all, LyX is a 24MB download
  (For Mac.)

 36 instead of 24 MB is 50% extra, and this only for a font.

 
A. LM is ~ 50 % of LyX, but less than 50 % of LyX + (LaTeX - LM).


Günter

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Pavel Sanda]

Guenter Milde wrote:
 On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:
  Guenter Milde wrote:
  Suggestion:
Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard 
  template?
 
LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the de-facto
standard for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.
 
  unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the
  first sight.
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
 
 Let me try to defuse some objections from the discussion 1 1/2 years ago:

this belongs to devel list and i'll repost it there

 LM are [...] not by default included in all LaTeX distributions, for
  example not in MiKTeX.
 
 1. This would indeed be a problem, but is this still true today?
 
 2. The Debian LyX package could recommend the lmodern package.
 
The Windows-Installer could recommend loading at least the T1 encoded
LM fonts.
 
 
 LM are included in basic versions of TeXLive and MiKTeX, but the problem
 is that we still have teTeX users where LM is not included.
 
 A. I argue that teTeX users are by now a minority that can be expected to
change a setting that suits most users of up-to-date LaTeX
installations.

 
 there's no reason to force users to use a certain font and not the LaTeX
  default one.
   
 1. There is a reason: 
   
* LyX does not use the default TeX font encoding (OT1) but
  the T1 encoding (for sensible reasons).
  
* In this encoding, the TeX default fonts (CM) are only available as
  bitmaps.
   
 2. We do not force users to use a certain font but set a working
font-encoding/font combination as initial default.
  
My suggestion is *not* to change the meaning of [Default] but to set
[Latin Modern] in the standard *template*. This is easily reversed by
the user:
  * Make a document
  * use the menu Document-Settings-Fonts
  * Set the Roman font, Sans serif font and Typewriter font to Default.
  * Use the button Save as Document Defaults.
 

 Why do you think we should especially use LM and not TeXGyre or one of
  the various other beautiful fonts?
 
 1. Principle of minimal change/surprise:
We'll let the pre-set font *look like* the default one.
   
 2. As CM lookalike, LM works best with the various extensions/symbols
created for CM. Hence LM has the best available math support.

 3. If you want a font, select one and then it's up to you how the result
looks and you are aware of that selecting a different font leads to a
different output.
 
 LM and CM differs also in shapes, a good example is the German sharp s
 ß character.
 
 1. These changes are still minor in comparision to selecting a completely
different font, so they do not impede the compatibility with other
fonts designed to work with CM.
  
 2. Opinions differ, but for me the Geman sharp s 'ß' (the es-zet) is an
example for the Internationality of the LM fonts. The LM ß is the
version recommended in German typesetting (Sulzbacher Form), while
the CM ß is a ligature of ?? (long s) and s.
   
 I don't think that they should be set as default. When you create a
  new document, the corresponding latex file should ideally be
 
   \documentclass{article}
   \begin{document}
   \end{document}
 
 
 A. In this case, you would need to turn off hyperref anyway. 
Just reset the fonts to [Default], too.

 
 you could choose to load your own font package in order to substitute
  standard fonts with something else. So, if we load, without you knowing
  it, the lmodern package, a clash could arise
  
 A. You will see [Latin Modern] in the font selection GUI. Just reset the
to [Default].

 
 lmodern is about 12 MB to download and we got complaints that I we even
 check if this font is installed as this could lead to a package download,
 but not everybody has a flatrate 
 
 A. Without flatrate, you should not set up non-interactive package download.
 
  This one's easy to argue against. First of all, LyX is a 24MB download
   (For Mac.)
 
  36 instead of 24 MB is 50% extra, and this only for a font.
 
  
 A. LM is ~ 50 % of LyX, but less than 50 % of LyX + (LaTeX - LM).
 
 
 Günter
 

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Guenter Milde wrote:
 Suggestion:
   Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard template?

   LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the de-facto
   standard for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.

 unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the
 first sight.

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

Let me try to defuse some objections from the discussion 1 1/2 years ago:

LM are [...] not by default included in all LaTeX distributions, for
 example not in MiKTeX.

1. This would indeed be a problem, but is this still true today?

2. The Debian LyX package could recommend the lmodern package.

   The Windows-Installer could recommend loading at least the T1 encoded
   LM fonts.


LM are included in basic versions of TeXLive and MiKTeX, but the problem
is that we still have teTeX users where LM is not included.

A. I argue that teTeX users are by now a minority that can be expected to
   change a setting that suits most users of up-to-date LaTeX
   installations.
   

there's no reason to force users to use a certain font and not the LaTeX
 default one.
  
1. There is a reason: 
  
   * LyX does not use the default TeX font encoding (OT1) but
 the T1 encoding (for sensible reasons).
 
   * In this encoding, the TeX default fonts (CM) are only available as
 bitmaps.
  
2. We do not force users to use a certain font but set a working
   font-encoding/font combination as initial default.
 
   My suggestion is *not* to change the meaning of [Default] but to set
   [Latin Modern] in the standard *template*. This is easily reversed by
   the user:
 * Make a document
 * use the menu Document-Settings-Fonts
 * Set the Roman font, Sans serif font and Typewriter font to Default.
 * Use the button Save as Document Defaults.

   
Why do you think we should especially use LM and not TeXGyre or one of
 the various other beautiful fonts?

1. Principle of minimal change/surprise:
   We'll let the pre-set font *look like* the default one.
  
2. As CM lookalike, LM works best with the various extensions/symbols
   created for CM. Hence LM has the best available math support.
   
3. If you want a font, select one and then it's up to you how the result
   looks and you are aware of that selecting a different font leads to a
   different output.

LM and CM differs also in shapes, a good example is the German sharp s
ß character.

1. These changes are still minor in comparision to selecting a completely
   different font, so they do not impede the compatibility with other
   fonts designed to work with CM.
 
2. Opinions differ, but for me the Geman sharp s 'ß' (the es-zet) is an
   example for the Internationality of the LM fonts. The LM ß is the
   version recommended in German typesetting (Sulzbacher Form), while
   the CM ß is a ligature of ſ (long s) and s.
  
I don't think that they should be set as default. When you create a
 new document, the corresponding latex file should ideally be

  \documentclass{article}
  \begin{document}
  \end{document}


A. In this case, you would need to turn off hyperref anyway. 
   Just reset the fonts to [Default], too.
   

you could choose to load your own font package in order to substitute
 standard fonts with something else. So, if we load, without you knowing
 it, the lmodern package, a clash could arise
 
A. You will see [Latin Modern] in the font selection GUI. Just reset the
   to [Default].
   

lmodern is about 12 MB to download and we got complaints that I we even
check if this font is installed as this could lead to a package download,
but not everybody has a flatrate 

A. Without flatrate, you should not set up non-interactive package download.

 This one's easy to argue against. First of all, LyX is a 24MB download
  (For Mac.)

 36 instead of 24 MB is 50% extra, and this only for a font.

 
A. LM is ~ 50 % of LyX, but less than 50 % of LyX + (LaTeX - LM).


Günter

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Pavel Sanda]

Guenter Milde wrote:
 On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:
  Guenter Milde wrote:
  Suggestion:
Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard 
  template?
 
LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the de-facto
standard for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.
 
  unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the
  first sight.
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
 
 Let me try to defuse some objections from the discussion 1 1/2 years ago:

this belongs to devel list and i'll repost it there

 LM are [...] not by default included in all LaTeX distributions, for
  example not in MiKTeX.
 
 1. This would indeed be a problem, but is this still true today?
 
 2. The Debian LyX package could recommend the lmodern package.
 
The Windows-Installer could recommend loading at least the T1 encoded
LM fonts.
 
 
 LM are included in basic versions of TeXLive and MiKTeX, but the problem
 is that we still have teTeX users where LM is not included.
 
 A. I argue that teTeX users are by now a minority that can be expected to
change a setting that suits most users of up-to-date LaTeX
installations.

 
 there's no reason to force users to use a certain font and not the LaTeX
  default one.
   
 1. There is a reason: 
   
* LyX does not use the default TeX font encoding (OT1) but
  the T1 encoding (for sensible reasons).
  
* In this encoding, the TeX default fonts (CM) are only available as
  bitmaps.
   
 2. We do not force users to use a certain font but set a working
font-encoding/font combination as initial default.
  
My suggestion is *not* to change the meaning of [Default] but to set
[Latin Modern] in the standard *template*. This is easily reversed by
the user:
  * Make a document
  * use the menu Document-Settings-Fonts
  * Set the Roman font, Sans serif font and Typewriter font to Default.
  * Use the button Save as Document Defaults.
 

 Why do you think we should especially use LM and not TeXGyre or one of
  the various other beautiful fonts?
 
 1. Principle of minimal change/surprise:
We'll let the pre-set font *look like* the default one.
   
 2. As CM lookalike, LM works best with the various extensions/symbols
created for CM. Hence LM has the best available math support.

 3. If you want a font, select one and then it's up to you how the result
looks and you are aware of that selecting a different font leads to a
different output.
 
 LM and CM differs also in shapes, a good example is the German sharp s
 ß character.
 
 1. These changes are still minor in comparision to selecting a completely
different font, so they do not impede the compatibility with other
fonts designed to work with CM.
  
 2. Opinions differ, but for me the Geman sharp s 'ß' (the es-zet) is an
example for the Internationality of the LM fonts. The LM ß is the
version recommended in German typesetting (Sulzbacher Form), while
the CM ß is a ligature of ?? (long s) and s.
   
 I don't think that they should be set as default. When you create a
  new document, the corresponding latex file should ideally be
 
   \documentclass{article}
   \begin{document}
   \end{document}
 
 
 A. In this case, you would need to turn off hyperref anyway. 
Just reset the fonts to [Default], too.

 
 you could choose to load your own font package in order to substitute
  standard fonts with something else. So, if we load, without you knowing
  it, the lmodern package, a clash could arise
  
 A. You will see [Latin Modern] in the font selection GUI. Just reset the
to [Default].

 
 lmodern is about 12 MB to download and we got complaints that I we even
 check if this font is installed as this could lead to a package download,
 but not everybody has a flatrate 
 
 A. Without flatrate, you should not set up non-interactive package download.
 
  This one's easy to argue against. First of all, LyX is a 24MB download
   (For Mac.)
 
  36 instead of 24 MB is 50% extra, and this only for a font.
 
  
 A. LM is ~ 50 % of LyX, but less than 50 % of LyX + (LaTeX - LM).
 
 
 Günter
 

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Guenter Milde wrote:
>> Suggestion:
>>   Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard template?

>>   LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the "de-facto
>>   standard" for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.

> unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the
> first sight.

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

Let me try to defuse some objections from the discussion 1 1/2 years ago:

"LM are [...] not by default included in all LaTeX distributions, for
 example not in MiKTeX."

1. This would indeed be a problem, but is this still true today?

2. The Debian LyX package could recommend the "lmodern" package.

   The Windows-Installer could recommend loading at least the T1 encoded
   LM fonts.


"LM are included in basic versions of TeXLive and MiKTeX, but the problem
is that we still have teTeX users where LM is not included."

A. I argue that teTeX users are by now a minority that can be expected to
   change a setting that suits most users of up-to-date LaTeX
   installations.
   

"there's no reason to force users to use a certain font and not the LaTeX
 default one."
  
1. There is a reason: 
  
   * LyX does not use the default TeX font encoding (OT1) but
 the T1 encoding (for sensible reasons).
 
   * In this encoding, the TeX default fonts (CM) are only available as
 bitmaps.
  
2. We do not force users to use a certain font but set a working
   font-encoding/font combination as initial default.
 
   My suggestion is *not* to change the meaning of [Default] but to set
   [Latin Modern] in the standard *template*. This is easily reversed by
   the user:
 * Make a document
 * use the menu Document->Settings->Fonts
 * Set the Roman font, Sans serif font and Typewriter font to "Default".
 * Use the button "Save as Document Defaults".

   
"Why do you think we should especially use LM and not TeXGyre or one of
 the various other beautiful fonts?"

1. Principle of minimal change/surprise:
   We'll let the pre-set font *look like* the default one.
  
2. As CM lookalike, LM works best with the various extensions/symbols
   created for CM. Hence LM has the best available math support.
   
3. "If you want a font, select one and then it's up to you how the result
   looks and you are aware of that selecting a different font leads to a
   different output."

"LM and CM differs also in shapes, a good example is the German sharp s
"ß" character."

1. These changes are still minor in comparision to selecting a completely
   different font, so they do not impede the compatibility with other
   fonts designed to work with CM.
 
2. Opinions differ, but for me the Geman sharp s 'ß' (the es-zet) is an
   example for the "Internationality" of the LM fonts. The LM ß is the
   version recommended in German typesetting ("Sulzbacher Form"), while
   the CM ß is a ligature of ſ (long s) and s.
  
"I don't think that they should be set as default. When you create a
 new document, the corresponding latex file should ideally be

  \documentclass{article}
  \begin{document}
  \end{document}
"

A. In this case, you would need to turn off hyperref anyway. 
   Just reset the fonts to [Default], too.
   

"you could choose to load your own font package in order to substitute
 standard fonts with something else. So, if we load, without you knowing
 it, the lmodern package, a clash could arise"
 
A. You will see [Latin Modern] in the font selection GUI. Just reset the
   to [Default].
   

"lmodern is about 12 MB to download and we got complaints that I we even
check if this font is installed as this could lead to a package download,
but not everybody has a flatrate "

A. Without flatrate, you should not set up non-interactive package download.

"> This one's easy to argue against. First of all, LyX is a 24MB download
 > (For Mac.)

 36 instead of 24 MB is 50% extra, and this only for a font.
"
 
A. LM is ~ 50 % of LyX, but less than 50 % of LyX + (LaTeX - LM).


Günter

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Pavel Sanda]

Guenter Milde wrote:
> On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> > Guenter Milde wrote:
> >> Suggestion:
> >>   Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard 
> >> template?
> 
> >>   LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the "de-facto
> >>   standard" for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.
> 
> > unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the
> > first sight.
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
> 
> Let me try to defuse some objections from the discussion 1 1/2 years ago:

this belongs to devel list and i'll repost it there

> "LM are [...] not by default included in all LaTeX distributions, for
>  example not in MiKTeX."
> 
> 1. This would indeed be a problem, but is this still true today?
> 
> 2. The Debian LyX package could recommend the "lmodern" package.
> 
>The Windows-Installer could recommend loading at least the T1 encoded
>LM fonts.
> 
> 
> "LM are included in basic versions of TeXLive and MiKTeX, but the problem
> is that we still have teTeX users where LM is not included."
> 
> A. I argue that teTeX users are by now a minority that can be expected to
>change a setting that suits most users of up-to-date LaTeX
>installations.
>
> 
> "there's no reason to force users to use a certain font and not the LaTeX
>  default one."
>   
> 1. There is a reason: 
>   
>* LyX does not use the default TeX font encoding (OT1) but
>  the T1 encoding (for sensible reasons).
>  
>* In this encoding, the TeX default fonts (CM) are only available as
>  bitmaps.
>   
> 2. We do not force users to use a certain font but set a working
>font-encoding/font combination as initial default.
>  
>My suggestion is *not* to change the meaning of [Default] but to set
>[Latin Modern] in the standard *template*. This is easily reversed by
>the user:
>  * Make a document
>  * use the menu Document->Settings->Fonts
>  * Set the Roman font, Sans serif font and Typewriter font to "Default".
>  * Use the button "Save as Document Defaults".
> 
>
> "Why do you think we should especially use LM and not TeXGyre or one of
>  the various other beautiful fonts?"
> 
> 1. Principle of minimal change/surprise:
>We'll let the pre-set font *look like* the default one.
>   
> 2. As CM lookalike, LM works best with the various extensions/symbols
>created for CM. Hence LM has the best available math support.
>
> 3. "If you want a font, select one and then it's up to you how the result
>looks and you are aware of that selecting a different font leads to a
>different output."
> 
> "LM and CM differs also in shapes, a good example is the German sharp s
> "ß" character."
> 
> 1. These changes are still minor in comparision to selecting a completely
>different font, so they do not impede the compatibility with other
>fonts designed to work with CM.
>  
> 2. Opinions differ, but for me the Geman sharp s 'ß' (the es-zet) is an
>example for the "Internationality" of the LM fonts. The LM ß is the
>version recommended in German typesetting ("Sulzbacher Form"), while
>the CM ß is a ligature of ?? (long s) and s.
>   
> "I don't think that they should be set as default. When you create a
>  new document, the corresponding latex file should ideally be
> 
>   \documentclass{article}
>   \begin{document}
>   \end{document}
> "
> 
> A. In this case, you would need to turn off hyperref anyway. 
>Just reset the fonts to [Default], too.
>
> 
> "you could choose to load your own font package in order to substitute
>  standard fonts with something else. So, if we load, without you knowing
>  it, the lmodern package, a clash could arise"
>  
> A. You will see [Latin Modern] in the font selection GUI. Just reset the
>to [Default].
>
> 
> "lmodern is about 12 MB to download and we got complaints that I we even
> check if this font is installed as this could lead to a package download,
> but not everybody has a flatrate "
> 
> A. Without flatrate, you should not set up non-interactive package download.
> 
> "> This one's easy to argue against. First of all, LyX is a 24MB download
>  > (For Mac.)
> 
>  36 instead of 24 MB is 50% extra, and this only for a font.
> "
>  
> A. LM is ~ 50 % of LyX, but less than 50 % of LyX + (LaTeX - LM).
> 
> 
> Günter
> 

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Guenter Milde wrote:
 Suggestion:
   Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard template?

   LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the de-facto
   standard for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.

 unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the
 first sight.

I know it is complex. Still, the current situation is problematic, as
generation of state-of-the-art PDFs should be possible out of the box.

Unfortunatly, the link 

 http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

shows only:  Not Found The document you were looking for was not found. 

Günter

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Olivier Ripoll]

Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:

[...]
Unfortunatly, the link 


http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html


shows only:  Not Found The document you were looking for was not found. 


Günter


try this one:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

Best regards,

Olivier

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Pavel Sanda]

Guenter Milde wrote:
 On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:
  Guenter Milde wrote:
  Suggestion:
Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard 
  template?
 
LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the de-facto
standard for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.
 
  unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the
  first sight.
 
 I know it is complex. Still, the current situation is problematic, as
 generation of state-of-the-art PDFs should be possible out of the box.
 
 Unfortunatly, the link 
 
  http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
 
 shows only:  Not Found The document you were looking for was not found. 

works here...
you can try to look on the thread subject: CM/AE/LM fonts

pavel

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Olivier Ripoll]

Olivier Ripoll wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:

[...]

Unfortunatly, the link
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html 



shows only:  Not Found The document you were looking for was not found.
Günter


try this one:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html 


Damned, it's been trashed also (by gmane?)
let's split the address in several parts
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel
then add the at character (@) then the following:
lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

and you'll avoid the error 404.

Best regards,

Olivier, crossing fingers

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Ian S. Worthington]

Too much like hard work.

Try http://tinyurl.com/y9dhkj5

i

-- Original Message --
Received: 09:32 AM COT, 11/12/2009
From: Olivier Ripoll durocortorum73-gm...@yahoo.fr
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: lyx and pdf fonts

 Olivier Ripoll wrote:
  Guenter Milde wrote:
  On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:
  Guenter Milde wrote:
  [...]
  Unfortunatly, the link
  http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html 
 
 
  shows only:  Not Found The document you were looking for was not found.
  Günter
 
  try this one:
  http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html 
 
 Damned, it's been trashed also (by gmane?)
 let's split the address in several parts
 http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel
 then add the at character (@) then the following:
 lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
 
 and you'll avoid the error 404.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Olivier, crossing fingers
 
 

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Pavel Sanda]

Guenter Milde wrote:
 On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:
  Guenter Milde wrote:
  Suggestion:
Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard 
  template?
 
LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the de-facto
standard for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.
 
  unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the
  first sight.
 
 I know it is complex. Still, the current situation is problematic, as
 generation of state-of-the-art PDFs should be possible out of the box.
 
 Unfortunatly, the link 
 
  http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
 
 shows only:  Not Found The document you were looking for was not found. 

works here...
you can try to look on the thread subject: CM/AE/LM fonts

pavel

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Pavel Sanda]

Olivier Ripoll wrote:
 try this one:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html 

 Damned, it's been trashed also (by gmane?)
 let's split the address in several parts
 http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel
 then add the at character (@) then the following:
 lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

 and you'll avoid the error 404.

my firefox runs it just fine
pavel

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Olivier Ripoll]

Pavel Sanda wrote:

Olivier Ripoll wrote:

try this one:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html 

Damned, it's been trashed also (by gmane?)
let's split the address in several parts
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel
then add the at character (@) then the following:
lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

and you'll avoid the error 404.


my firefox runs it just fine
pavel


Which one? the one with lyx-devel-UqbJ+GOpo4+hPH1hqNUYSQ at 
public.gmane.org ?


I'll make a guess: the people using the gmane newsgroup interface to the 
mailing list can't access the link because gmane replaces it with its 
own crap (above). You do not see the problem because you don't use gmane 
interface to the list.


When I sent my message with try this one, the URL I typed was 
lyx-devel at lists.lyx.org, but when I then read this message, the 
url was  changed to lyx-devel-UqbJ+GOpo4+hPH1hqNUYSQ at 
public.gmane.org, the same as in your original message, which leads to 
error 404.


Best regards,

Olivier

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Guenter Milde wrote:
 Suggestion:
   Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard template?

   LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the de-facto
   standard for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.

 unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the
 first sight.

I know it is complex. Still, the current situation is problematic, as
generation of state-of-the-art PDFs should be possible out of the box.

Unfortunatly, the link 

 http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

shows only:  Not Found The document you were looking for was not found. 

Günter

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Olivier Ripoll]

Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:

[...]
Unfortunatly, the link 


http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html


shows only:  Not Found The document you were looking for was not found. 


Günter


try this one:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

Best regards,

Olivier

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Pavel Sanda]

Guenter Milde wrote:
 On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:
  Guenter Milde wrote:
  Suggestion:
Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard 
  template?
 
LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the de-facto
standard for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.
 
  unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the
  first sight.
 
 I know it is complex. Still, the current situation is problematic, as
 generation of state-of-the-art PDFs should be possible out of the box.
 
 Unfortunatly, the link 
 
  http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
 
 shows only:  Not Found The document you were looking for was not found. 

works here...
you can try to look on the thread subject: CM/AE/LM fonts

pavel

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Olivier Ripoll]

Olivier Ripoll wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:

[...]

Unfortunatly, the link
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html 



shows only:  Not Found The document you were looking for was not found.
Günter


try this one:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html 


Damned, it's been trashed also (by gmane?)
let's split the address in several parts
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel
then add the at character (@) then the following:
lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

and you'll avoid the error 404.

Best regards,

Olivier, crossing fingers

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Ian S. Worthington]

Too much like hard work.

Try http://tinyurl.com/y9dhkj5

i

-- Original Message --
Received: 09:32 AM COT, 11/12/2009
From: Olivier Ripoll durocortorum73-gm...@yahoo.fr
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: lyx and pdf fonts

 Olivier Ripoll wrote:
  Guenter Milde wrote:
  On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:
  Guenter Milde wrote:
  [...]
  Unfortunatly, the link
  http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html 
 
 
  shows only:  Not Found The document you were looking for was not found.
  Günter
 
  try this one:
  http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html 
 
 Damned, it's been trashed also (by gmane?)
 let's split the address in several parts
 http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel
 then add the at character (@) then the following:
 lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
 
 and you'll avoid the error 404.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Olivier, crossing fingers
 
 

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Pavel Sanda]

Guenter Milde wrote:
 On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:
  Guenter Milde wrote:
  Suggestion:
Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard 
  template?
 
LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the de-facto
standard for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.
 
  unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the
  first sight.
 
 I know it is complex. Still, the current situation is problematic, as
 generation of state-of-the-art PDFs should be possible out of the box.
 
 Unfortunatly, the link 
 
  http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
 
 shows only:  Not Found The document you were looking for was not found. 

works here...
you can try to look on the thread subject: CM/AE/LM fonts

pavel

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Pavel Sanda]

Olivier Ripoll wrote:
 try this one:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html 

 Damned, it's been trashed also (by gmane?)
 let's split the address in several parts
 http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel
 then add the at character (@) then the following:
 lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

 and you'll avoid the error 404.

my firefox runs it just fine
pavel

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Olivier Ripoll]

Pavel Sanda wrote:

Olivier Ripoll wrote:

try this one:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html 

Damned, it's been trashed also (by gmane?)
let's split the address in several parts
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel
then add the at character (@) then the following:
lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

and you'll avoid the error 404.


my firefox runs it just fine
pavel


Which one? the one with lyx-devel-UqbJ+GOpo4+hPH1hqNUYSQ at 
public.gmane.org ?


I'll make a guess: the people using the gmane newsgroup interface to the 
mailing list can't access the link because gmane replaces it with its 
own crap (above). You do not see the problem because you don't use gmane 
interface to the list.


When I sent my message with try this one, the URL I typed was 
lyx-devel at lists.lyx.org, but when I then read this message, the 
url was  changed to lyx-devel-UqbJ+GOpo4+hPH1hqNUYSQ at 
public.gmane.org, the same as in your original message, which leads to 
error 404.


Best regards,

Olivier

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Guenter Milde wrote:
>> Suggestion:
>>   Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard template?

>>   LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the "de-facto
>>   standard" for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.

> unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the
> first sight.

I know it is complex. Still, the current situation is problematic, as
generation of state-of-the-art PDFs should be possible out of the box.

Unfortunatly, the link 

> http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

shows only:  Not Found The document you were looking for was not found. 

Günter

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Olivier Ripoll]

Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:

[...]
Unfortunatly, the link 


http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html


shows only:  Not Found The document you were looking for was not found. 


Günter


try this one:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

Best regards,

Olivier

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Pavel Sanda]

Guenter Milde wrote:
> On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> > Guenter Milde wrote:
> >> Suggestion:
> >>   Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard 
> >> template?
> 
> >>   LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the "de-facto
> >>   standard" for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.
> 
> > unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the
> > first sight.
> 
> I know it is complex. Still, the current situation is problematic, as
> generation of state-of-the-art PDFs should be possible out of the box.
> 
> Unfortunatly, the link 
> 
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
> 
> shows only:  Not Found The document you were looking for was not found. 

works here...
you can try to look on the thread subject: CM/AE/LM fonts

pavel

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Olivier Ripoll]

Olivier Ripoll wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:

On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:

[...]

Unfortunatly, the link
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html 



shows only:  Not Found The document you were looking for was not found.
Günter


try this one:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html 


Damned, it's been trashed also (by gmane?)
let's split the address in several parts
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel
then add the "at" character (@) then the following:
lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

and you'll avoid the error 404.

Best regards,

Olivier, crossing fingers

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Ian S. Worthington]

Too much like hard work.

Try http://tinyurl.com/y9dhkj5

i

-- Original Message --
Received: 09:32 AM COT, 11/12/2009
From: Olivier Ripoll <durocortorum73-gm...@yahoo.fr>
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: lyx and pdf fonts

> Olivier Ripoll wrote:
> > Guenter Milde wrote:
> >> On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> >>> Guenter Milde wrote:
> > [...]
> >> Unfortunatly, the link
> >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html 
> >>>
> >>
> >> shows only:  Not Found The document you were looking for was not found.
> >> Günter
> >>
> > try this one:
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html 
> 
> Damned, it's been trashed also (by gmane?)
> let's split the address in several parts
> http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel
> then add the "at" character (@) then the following:
> lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
> 
> and you'll avoid the error 404.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Olivier, crossing fingers
> 
> 

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Pavel Sanda]

Guenter Milde wrote:
> On 2009-11-11, Pavel Sanda wrote:
> > Guenter Milde wrote:
> >> Suggestion:
> >>   Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard 
> >> template?
> 
> >>   LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the "de-facto
> >>   standard" for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.
> 
> > unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the
> > first sight.
> 
> I know it is complex. Still, the current situation is problematic, as
> generation of state-of-the-art PDFs should be possible out of the box.
> 
> Unfortunatly, the link 
> 
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
> 
> shows only:  Not Found The document you were looking for was not found. 

works here...
you can try to look on the thread subject: CM/AE/LM fonts

pavel

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Pavel Sanda]

Olivier Ripoll wrote:
>> try this one:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html 
>
> Damned, it's been trashed also (by gmane?)
> let's split the address in several parts
> http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel
> then add the "at" character (@) then the following:
> lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
>
> and you'll avoid the error 404.

my firefox runs it just fine
pavel

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Olivier Ripoll]

Pavel Sanda wrote:

Olivier Ripoll wrote:

try this one:
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html 

Damned, it's been trashed also (by gmane?)
let's split the address in several parts
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-devel
then add the "at" character (@) then the following:
lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

and you'll avoid the error 404.


my firefox runs it just fine
pavel


Which one? the one with "lyx-devel-UqbJ+GOpo4+hPH1hqNUYSQ" at 
"public.gmane.org" ?


I'll make a guess: the people using the gmane newsgroup interface to the 
mailing list can't access the link because gmane replaces it with its 
own crap (above). You do not see the problem because you don't use gmane 
interface to the list.


When I sent my message with "try this one", the URL I typed was 
"lyx-devel" at "lists.lyx.org", but when I then read this message, the 
url was  changed to "lyx-devel-UqbJ+GOpo4+hPH1hqNUYSQ" at 
"public.gmane.org", the same as in your original message, which leads to 
error 404.


Best regards,

Olivier

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-11-10, Stefano Franchi wrote:
 On 11/10/09, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:
Steve Litt schrieb:
 If you draw something, make vector graphics rather than bitmaps, if
 possible. If you need screenshots, use png. Never jpeg, jpeg is only
 for photos.

This is wrong! PNG is as well as JPG or GIF a bitmap graphic. the difference
 is inly the compression method.

Actually, only the (omitted) conclusion (PNG is a vector graphic) is wrong!

Screenshots are bitmaps, so the tip to use png instead of jpeg does not
imply this.

Only PDF and SVG are vector graphics. EPS is also a vector graphics format
 but many EPS images are only wrapped bitmap images. 

 Isn't the same true for PDF? You can wrap bitmap files in it, I think
 (e.g.  when scanner software offer a Save as pdf option). File format
 in itself is not necessarily an indication of bitmap vs. vector
 graphics. 

All of PDF, PS, EPS, and SVG can contain bitmaps. So the file format can
only be used to rule out vector format (a PNG or JPEG cannot contain
vector image).

Günter

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-11-10, Manveru wrote:
 2009/11/10 ask2 joakim.askl...@gmail.com:

 I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it
 is if the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunaltely that
 never is the case.

...

 LyX is not guilty of PDF quality as it is only editor using LaTeX to
 produce results. Your lack of knowledge is guilty in this case.

The core of the problem is the default combination of CM fonts and T1
font encoding.

The result is that a first time user (or someone trying out alternatives
to the common word processor) will get an inferior result with
self-generated content (trying out the Help documents is fine, they use
LM).

Suggestion:
  Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard template?

  LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the de-facto
  standard for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.

Günter

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Pavel Sanda]

Guenter Milde wrote:
 Suggestion:
   Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard template?
 
   LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the de-facto
   standard for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.

unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the first sight.
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

pavel

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Ian S. Worthington]

Could http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/PDF#toc5 be out of date?

I like the idea of replacing the bitmap fonts (even though they seem quite
good to me) with T1 vector fonts, but am not sure where to specify latin
modern.  On my lyx, 1.6.2, there is no Layout→Document menu item.

Could someone set me right please?

Thanks,

ian

-- Original Message --
Received: 10:41 AM COT, 11/10/2009
From: Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de
To: ask2 joakim.askl...@gmail.comCc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: lyx and pdf fonts

 ask2 schrieb:
 
  I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it is
if
  the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunately that never is
the
  case.
 
 See http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/PDF#toc5
 
  Main purpose is to read on the computer so both images and text should be
  suitable for that.
  I gues it means that I need ttf or otf fonts in the pdf?
 
 Yes, you need vector fonts. The above link describes how to do that.
 
 Btw. the LyX documentation files (except of the Intro manual) you find in
the Help menu also use 
 vector fonts, when they look OK for you, your documents will look OK too.
 
  I think I asked this 5-6 years ago but it seems nothing has changed :(
  
  S back to Microsoft Word again :(
 
 Wow, you're giving up before you've got a reply to you email.
 
 regards Uwe
 

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Ian S. Worthington schreef:

Could http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/PDF#toc5 be out of date?

I like the idea of replacing the bitmap fonts (even though they seem quite
good to me) with T1 vector fonts, but am not sure where to specify latin
modern.  On my lyx, 1.6.2, there is no Layout→Document menu item.

Could someone set me right please?

  

Document-Settings-Fonts-Roman-Latind Modern.

Vincent

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Liviu Andronic]

On 11/11/09, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:
 Guenter Milde wrote:
   Suggestion:
 Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard 
 template?
  
 unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the first 
 sight.
  http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

Would it make sense for LyX to propose default settings based on
availability? For example, use LM if it is installed; otherwise, fall
back to the LaTeX default CM (or whichever it is).
Liviu

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Bruce Pourciau]

On Nov 11, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:


On 11/11/09, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:

Suggestion:
 Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard  
template?


unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the  
first sight.

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html


Would it make sense for LyX to propose default settings based on
availability? For example, use LM if it is installed; otherwise, fall
back to the LaTeX default CM (or whichever it is).
Liviu


Would it make sense to have Palatino as the default? How universally  
is Palatino or a Palatino variant installed? The mathematical symbols  
that blend with Palatino would come from the mathpazo package.


Bruce

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 11 November 2009 17:20:47 Bruce Pourciau wrote:
 On Nov 11, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
  On 11/11/09, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:
  Guenter Milde wrote:
  Suggestion:
   Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard
  template?
 
  unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the
  first sight.
  http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
 
  Would it make sense for LyX to propose default settings based on
  availability? For example, use LM if it is installed; otherwise, fall
  back to the LaTeX default CM (or whichever it is).
  Liviu

 Would it make sense to have Palatino as the default? How universally
 is Palatino or a Palatino variant installed? The mathematical symbols
 that blend with Palatino would come from the mathpazo package.

 Bruce

Last time I tried Palatino, the print was thin, reedy, and not particularly 
readable. My observation is that Century Schoolbook produces more readable 
print.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Pavel Sanda]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 09:33:50PM +, Liviu Andronic wrote:
  unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the first 
  sight.
   http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
 
 Would it make sense for LyX to propose default settings based on
 availability? For example, use LM if it is installed; otherwise, fall
 back to the LaTeX default CM (or whichever it is).

have you read the whole thread?
it doesn't look to address the issues raised.
pavel

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Uwe Stöhr]

Ian S. Worthington schreef:


Could http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/PDF#toc5 be out of date?


Yes, this was out of date. I've updated it now,.

regards Uwe

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Ian S. Worthington]

Perfect!  Thanks Vincent.

i

-- Original Message --
Received: 02:28 PM COT, 11/11/2009
From: Vincent van Ravesteijn v.f.vanraveste...@tudelft.nl
To: Ian S. Worthington ianworthing...@usa.net,  lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: lyx and pdf fonts

 Ian S. Worthington schreef:
  Could http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/PDF#toc5 be out of date?
 
  I like the idea of replacing the bitmap fonts (even though they seem
quite
  good to me) with T1 vector fonts, but am not sure where to specify latin
  modern.  On my lyx, 1.6.2, there is no Layout→Document menu item.
 
  Could someone set me right please?
 

 Document-Settings-Fonts-Roman-Latind Modern.
 
 Vincent
 

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-11-10, Stefano Franchi wrote:
 On 11/10/09, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:
Steve Litt schrieb:
 If you draw something, make vector graphics rather than bitmaps, if
 possible. If you need screenshots, use png. Never jpeg, jpeg is only
 for photos.

This is wrong! PNG is as well as JPG or GIF a bitmap graphic. the difference
 is inly the compression method.

Actually, only the (omitted) conclusion (PNG is a vector graphic) is wrong!

Screenshots are bitmaps, so the tip to use png instead of jpeg does not
imply this.

Only PDF and SVG are vector graphics. EPS is also a vector graphics format
 but many EPS images are only wrapped bitmap images. 

 Isn't the same true for PDF? You can wrap bitmap files in it, I think
 (e.g.  when scanner software offer a Save as pdf option). File format
 in itself is not necessarily an indication of bitmap vs. vector
 graphics. 

All of PDF, PS, EPS, and SVG can contain bitmaps. So the file format can
only be used to rule out vector format (a PNG or JPEG cannot contain
vector image).

Günter

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-11-10, Manveru wrote:
 2009/11/10 ask2 joakim.askl...@gmail.com:

 I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it
 is if the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunaltely that
 never is the case.

...

 LyX is not guilty of PDF quality as it is only editor using LaTeX to
 produce results. Your lack of knowledge is guilty in this case.

The core of the problem is the default combination of CM fonts and T1
font encoding.

The result is that a first time user (or someone trying out alternatives
to the common word processor) will get an inferior result with
self-generated content (trying out the Help documents is fine, they use
LM).

Suggestion:
  Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard template?

  LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the de-facto
  standard for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.

Günter

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Pavel Sanda]

Guenter Milde wrote:
 Suggestion:
   Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard template?
 
   LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the de-facto
   standard for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.

unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the first sight.
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

pavel

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Ian S. Worthington]

Could http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/PDF#toc5 be out of date?

I like the idea of replacing the bitmap fonts (even though they seem quite
good to me) with T1 vector fonts, but am not sure where to specify latin
modern.  On my lyx, 1.6.2, there is no Layout→Document menu item.

Could someone set me right please?

Thanks,

ian

-- Original Message --
Received: 10:41 AM COT, 11/10/2009
From: Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de
To: ask2 joakim.askl...@gmail.comCc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: lyx and pdf fonts

 ask2 schrieb:
 
  I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it is
if
  the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunately that never is
the
  case.
 
 See http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/PDF#toc5
 
  Main purpose is to read on the computer so both images and text should be
  suitable for that.
  I gues it means that I need ttf or otf fonts in the pdf?
 
 Yes, you need vector fonts. The above link describes how to do that.
 
 Btw. the LyX documentation files (except of the Intro manual) you find in
the Help menu also use 
 vector fonts, when they look OK for you, your documents will look OK too.
 
  I think I asked this 5-6 years ago but it seems nothing has changed :(
  
  S back to Microsoft Word again :(
 
 Wow, you're giving up before you've got a reply to you email.
 
 regards Uwe
 

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Ian S. Worthington schreef:

Could http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/PDF#toc5 be out of date?

I like the idea of replacing the bitmap fonts (even though they seem quite
good to me) with T1 vector fonts, but am not sure where to specify latin
modern.  On my lyx, 1.6.2, there is no Layout→Document menu item.

Could someone set me right please?

  

Document-Settings-Fonts-Roman-Latind Modern.

Vincent

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Liviu Andronic]

On 11/11/09, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:
 Guenter Milde wrote:
   Suggestion:
 Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard 
 template?
  
 unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the first 
 sight.
  http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

Would it make sense for LyX to propose default settings based on
availability? For example, use LM if it is installed; otherwise, fall
back to the LaTeX default CM (or whichever it is).
Liviu

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Bruce Pourciau]

On Nov 11, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:


On 11/11/09, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:

Suggestion:
 Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard  
template?


unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the  
first sight.

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html


Would it make sense for LyX to propose default settings based on
availability? For example, use LM if it is installed; otherwise, fall
back to the LaTeX default CM (or whichever it is).
Liviu


Would it make sense to have Palatino as the default? How universally  
is Palatino or a Palatino variant installed? The mathematical symbols  
that blend with Palatino would come from the mathpazo package.


Bruce

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 11 November 2009 17:20:47 Bruce Pourciau wrote:
 On Nov 11, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
  On 11/11/09, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:
  Guenter Milde wrote:
  Suggestion:
   Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard
  template?
 
  unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the
  first sight.
  http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
 
  Would it make sense for LyX to propose default settings based on
  availability? For example, use LM if it is installed; otherwise, fall
  back to the LaTeX default CM (or whichever it is).
  Liviu

 Would it make sense to have Palatino as the default? How universally
 is Palatino or a Palatino variant installed? The mathematical symbols
 that blend with Palatino would come from the mathpazo package.

 Bruce

Last time I tried Palatino, the print was thin, reedy, and not particularly 
readable. My observation is that Century Schoolbook produces more readable 
print.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Pavel Sanda]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 09:33:50PM +, Liviu Andronic wrote:
  unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the first 
  sight.
   http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
 
 Would it make sense for LyX to propose default settings based on
 availability? For example, use LM if it is installed; otherwise, fall
 back to the LaTeX default CM (or whichever it is).

have you read the whole thread?
it doesn't look to address the issues raised.
pavel

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Uwe Stöhr]

Ian S. Worthington schreef:


Could http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/PDF#toc5 be out of date?


Yes, this was out of date. I've updated it now,.

regards Uwe

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Ian S. Worthington]

Perfect!  Thanks Vincent.

i

-- Original Message --
Received: 02:28 PM COT, 11/11/2009
From: Vincent van Ravesteijn v.f.vanraveste...@tudelft.nl
To: Ian S. Worthington ianworthing...@usa.net,  lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: lyx and pdf fonts

 Ian S. Worthington schreef:
  Could http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/PDF#toc5 be out of date?
 
  I like the idea of replacing the bitmap fonts (even though they seem
quite
  good to me) with T1 vector fonts, but am not sure where to specify latin
  modern.  On my lyx, 1.6.2, there is no Layout→Document menu item.
 
  Could someone set me right please?
 

 Document-Settings-Fonts-Roman-Latind Modern.
 
 Vincent
 

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-11-10, Stefano Franchi wrote:
> On 11/10/09, Uwe Stöhr  wrote:
>>Steve Litt schrieb:
 If you draw something, make vector graphics rather than bitmaps, if
 possible. If you need screenshots, use png. Never jpeg, jpeg is only
 for photos.

>>This is wrong! PNG is as well as JPG or GIF a bitmap graphic. the difference
>> is inly the compression method.

Actually, only the (omitted) conclusion (PNG is a vector graphic) is wrong!

Screenshots are bitmaps, so the tip to use png instead of jpeg does not
imply this.

>>Only PDF and SVG are vector graphics. EPS is also a vector graphics format
>> but many EPS images are only wrapped bitmap images. 

> Isn't the same true for PDF? You can wrap bitmap files in it, I think
> (e.g.  when scanner software offer a "Save as pdf" option). File format
> in itself is not necessarily an indication of bitmap vs. vector
> graphics. 

All of PDF, PS, EPS, and SVG can contain bitmaps. So the file format can
only be used to rule out vector format (a PNG or JPEG cannot contain
vector image).

Günter

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Guenter Milde]

On 2009-11-10, Manveru wrote:
> 2009/11/10 ask2 :

>> I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it
>> is if the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunaltely that
>> never is the case.

...

> LyX is not guilty of PDF quality as it is only editor using LaTeX to
> produce results. Your lack of knowledge is guilty in this case.

The core of the problem is the default combination of CM fonts and T1
font encoding.

The result is that a first time user (or someone trying out alternatives
to the common word processor) will get an inferior result with
self-generated content (trying out the Help documents is fine, they use
LM).

Suggestion:
  Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard template?

  LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the "de-facto
  standard" for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.

Günter

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Pavel Sanda]

Guenter Milde wrote:
> Suggestion:
>   Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard template?
> 
>   LM is out for some time by now and could be considered the "de-facto
>   standard" for T1-encoded CM-lookalikes.

unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the first sight.
http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html

pavel

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Ian S. Worthington]

Could http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/PDF#toc5 be out of date?

I like the idea of replacing the bitmap fonts (even though they seem quite
good to me) with T1 vector fonts, but am not sure where to specify "latin
modern".  On my lyx, 1.6.2, there is no Layout→Document menu item.

Could someone set me right please?

Thanks,

ian

-- Original Message --
Received: 10:41 AM COT, 11/10/2009
From: Uwe Stöhr <uwesto...@web.de>
To: ask2 <joakim.askl...@gmail.com>Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: lyx and pdf fonts

> ask2 schrieb:
> 
> > I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it is
if
> > the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunately that never is
the
> > case.
> 
> See http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/PDF#toc5
> 
> > Main purpose is to read on the computer so both images and text should be
> > suitable for that.
> > I gues it means that I need ttf or otf fonts in the pdf?
> 
> Yes, you need vector fonts. The above link describes how to do that.
> 
> Btw. the LyX documentation files (except of the Intro manual) you find in
the Help menu also use 
> vector fonts, when they look OK for you, your documents will look OK too.
> 
> > I think I asked this 5-6 years ago but it seems nothing has changed :(
> > 
> > S back to Microsoft Word again :(
> 
> Wow, you're giving up before you've got a reply to you email.
> 
> regards Uwe
> 

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

Ian S. Worthington schreef:

Could http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/PDF#toc5 be out of date?

I like the idea of replacing the bitmap fonts (even though they seem quite
good to me) with T1 vector fonts, but am not sure where to specify "latin
modern".  On my lyx, 1.6.2, there is no Layout→Document menu item.

Could someone set me right please?

  

Document->Settings->Fonts->Roman->Latind Modern.

Vincent

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Liviu Andronic]

On 11/11/09, Pavel Sanda  wrote:
> Guenter Milde wrote:
>  > Suggestion:
>  >   Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard 
> template?
>  >
> unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the first 
> sight.
>  http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
>
Would it make sense for LyX to propose default settings based on
availability? For example, use LM if it is installed; otherwise, fall
back to the LaTeX default CM (or whichever it is).
Liviu

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Bruce Pourciau]

On Nov 11, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:


On 11/11/09, Pavel Sanda  wrote:

Guenter Milde wrote:

Suggestion:
 Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard  
template?


unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the  
first sight.

http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html


Would it make sense for LyX to propose default settings based on
availability? For example, use LM if it is installed; otherwise, fall
back to the LaTeX default CM (or whichever it is).
Liviu


Would it make sense to have Palatino as the default? How universally  
is Palatino or a Palatino variant installed? The mathematical symbols  
that blend with Palatino would come from the mathpazo package.


Bruce

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 11 November 2009 17:20:47 Bruce Pourciau wrote:
> On Nov 11, 2009, at 3:33 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
> > On 11/11/09, Pavel Sanda  wrote:
> >> Guenter Milde wrote:
> >>> Suggestion:
> >>>  Would it be possible, to pre-select Latin Modern in the standard
> >>> template?
> >>
> >> unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the
> >> first sight.
> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
> >
> > Would it make sense for LyX to propose default settings based on
> > availability? For example, use LM if it is installed; otherwise, fall
> > back to the LaTeX default CM (or whichever it is).
> > Liviu
>
> Would it make sense to have Palatino as the default? How universally
> is Palatino or a Palatino variant installed? The mathematical symbols
> that blend with Palatino would come from the mathpazo package.
>
> Bruce

Last time I tried Palatino, the print was thin, reedy, and not particularly 
readable. My observation is that Century Schoolbook produces more readable 
print.

SteveT

Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Pavel Sanda]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 09:33:50PM +, Liviu Andronic wrote:
> > unfortunately this is much more complex thing than it looks on the first 
> > sight.
> >  http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org/msg142386.html
> >
> Would it make sense for LyX to propose default settings based on
> availability? For example, use LM if it is installed; otherwise, fall
> back to the LaTeX default CM (or whichever it is).

have you read the whole thread?
it doesn't look to address the issues raised.
pavel

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Uwe Stöhr]

Ian S. Worthington schreef:


Could http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/PDF#toc5 be out of date?


Yes, this was out of date. I've updated it now,.

regards Uwe

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Ian S. Worthington]

Perfect!  Thanks Vincent.

i

-- Original Message --
Received: 02:28 PM COT, 11/11/2009
From: Vincent van Ravesteijn <v.f.vanraveste...@tudelft.nl>
To: "Ian S. Worthington" <ianworthing...@usa.net>,  lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: lyx and pdf fonts

> Ian S. Worthington schreef:
> > Could http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/PDF#toc5 be out of date?
> >
> > I like the idea of replacing the bitmap fonts (even though they seem
quite
> > good to me) with T1 vector fonts, but am not sure where to specify "latin
> > modern".  On my lyx, 1.6.2, there is no Layout→Document menu item.
> >
> > Could someone set me right please?
> >
> >   
> Document->Settings->Fonts->Roman->Latind Modern.
> 
> Vincent
> 

lyx and pdf fonts

[ask2]

Hi
I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it is if
the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunaltely that never is the
case.

So am I just stupid or is there a way to get really high quality pdf from
LYX?

Main purpose is to read on the computer so both images and text should be
suitable for that.
I gues it means that I need ttf or otf fonts in the pdf?

I think I asked this 5-6 years ago but it seems nothing has changed :(

S back to Microsoft Word again :(

Best Regards
J

ps Win XP lyx 1.6 , miktex 2.8

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Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Manveru]

2009/11/10 ask2 joakim.askl...@gmail.com:

 Hi
 I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it is if
 the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunaltely that never is the
 case.

 So am I just stupid or is there a way to get really high quality pdf from
 LYX?

 Main purpose is to read on the computer so both images and text should be
 suitable for that.
 I gues it means that I need ttf or otf fonts in the pdf?

 I think I asked this 5-6 years ago but it seems nothing has changed :(

 S back to Microsoft Word again :(

 Best Regards
 J

 ps Win XP lyx 1.6 , miktex 2.8

Do not feel offended, but I think you are lazy man. To get really high
quality PDF from LaTeX, you need minimal study about LaTeX and vector
fonts, microtype and images/pictures. LyX is not guilty of PDF quality
as it is only editor using LaTeX to produce results. Your lack of
knowledge is guilty in this case.

If you would like to kindy ask for help on this list I am sure lot of
people would help you with that, and you would get documents much
better that from Word. So... please stick with Word and never return.
Thank You!

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jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
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Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Helge Hafting]

ask2 wrote:

Hi
I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it is if
the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunaltely that never is the
case.

So am I just stupid or is there a way to get really high quality pdf from
LYX?


Yes. Make sure the default font is not a bitmap font. Unfortunately, the
default font is a bitmap font. You must change it.

So, go Document-Settings-Fonts and choose something else instead of
standard. There is Latin Modern if you like the look of the
standard font on paper, but want nice pdf. Or select something else
like Times Roman, Palatino, . . .

To avoid making this change for every document, save it as the new default.


Main purpose is to read on the computer so both images and text should be
suitable for that.


That took care of the text, now for the images. What exactly is the
problem with your images?

If you draw something, make vector graphics rather than bitmaps, if 
possible. If you need screenshots, use png. Never jpeg, jpeg is only

for photos.


I gues it means that I need ttf or otf fonts in the pdf?

I think I asked this 5-6 years ago but it seems nothing has changed :(


Nothing much need to change. Have been making quality PDFs for more than 
5-6 years. All you need is to know a few things, such as changing from 
the default font. Most software has a few things you need to know, and 
you can find it out on this mailing list if you want to.





S back to Microsoft Word again :(


Whatever you like. You'll be harder pressed making quality PDFs with 
word though.



Helge Hafting

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Luca Carlon]

ask2 joakim.askl...@... writes:
 Hi
 I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it is if
 the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunaltely that never is the
 case.
 
 So am I just stupid or is there a way to get really high quality pdf from
 LYX?
 
 Main purpose is to read on the computer so both images and text should be
 suitable for that.

Sorry, but what do you mean by high quality? As far as I can see, my documents
are perfect. I can zoom to whatever level and quality is perfect. I use eps
graphics, and it is highest possible quality as well. Could it be your PDF
reader the problem?

Luca

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Uwe Stöhr]

ask2 schrieb:


I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it is if
the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunately that never is the
case.


See http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/PDF#toc5


Main purpose is to read on the computer so both images and text should be
suitable for that.
I gues it means that I need ttf or otf fonts in the pdf?


Yes, you need vector fonts. The above link describes how to do that.

Btw. the LyX documentation files (except of the Intro manual) you find in the Help menu also use 
vector fonts, when they look OK for you, your documents will look OK too.



I think I asked this 5-6 years ago but it seems nothing has changed :(

S back to Microsoft Word again :(


Wow, you're giving up before you've got a reply to you email.

regards Uwe

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Steve Litt]

Good information here Helge...

On Tuesday 10 November 2009 08:12:37 Helge Hafting wrote:
 ask2 wrote:
  Hi
  I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it is
  if the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunaltely that never
  is the case.
 
  So am I just stupid or is there a way to get really high quality pdf from
  LYX?

 Yes. Make sure the default font is not a bitmap font. Unfortunately, the
 default font is a bitmap font. You must change it.

 So, go Document-Settings-Fonts and choose something else instead of
 standard. There is Latin Modern if you like the look of the
 standard font on paper, but want nice pdf. Or select something else
 like Times Roman, Palatino, . . .

Helge -- I've been using Century Schoolbook, which shows up as one of the 
choices with LyX as it comes with Mandriva and Ubuntu. Is Century Schoolbook a 
vector font? I found  Latin Modern too light and stringy.

 To avoid making this change for every document, save it as the new default.

  Main purpose is to read on the computer so both images and text should be
  suitable for that.

 That took care of the text, now for the images. What exactly is the
 problem with your images?

 If you draw something, make vector graphics rather than bitmaps, if
 possible. If you need screenshots, use png. Never jpeg, jpeg is only
 for photos.

I didn't know .png is a vector graphic. I've been converting graphics to PDF 
before using them -- PDF *is* a vector format after all, and it seems to scale 
well. However, it would be soo much easier to use .png. Thanks for the 
tip.

As far as the original poster, I've found that the output quality depends as 
much on the PDF reader as anything else. I've had docs that were beautiful on 
Acroread and ugly on xpdf, and others that were ugly on Acroread and beautiful 
on xpdf. I hate to admit it, but if my eBooks look good on Acroread, that 
satisfies 95% of my potential readers so I let it go that way.

SteveT
 
Steve Litt
Recession Relief Package
http://www.recession-relief.US
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Rich Shepard]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009, Steve Litt wrote:


I didn't know .png is a vector graphic.


  It's not. It's bit-mapped, or raster.

Rich

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Florian Rubach]

Steve Litt schrieb:

I didn't know .png is a vector graphic.
It isn't. As Helge said, it's pretty useful if you need some pixel 
graphics with relatively large areas of similar colors like screenshots. 
It is relatively small and has lossless compression. For Photos, jpeg is 
better but has lossy compression, tends to introduce artefacts.

SteveT

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Uwe Stöhr]

Steve Litt schrieb:


If you draw something, make vector graphics rather than bitmaps, if
possible. If you need screenshots, use png. Never jpeg, jpeg is only
for photos.


This is wrong! PNG is as well as JPG or GIF a bitmap graphic. the difference is inly the compression 
method.
Only PDF and SVG are vector graphics. EPS is also a vector graphics format but many EPS images are 
only wrapped bitmap images. You can check of an image is a vector graphics by zooming into the 
image. When it becomes pixeled, it is a bitmap.


regards Uwe

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Stefano Franchi]

On 11/10/09, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:
Steve Litt schrieb:
 If you draw something, make vector graphics rather than bitmaps, if
 possible. If you need screenshots, use png. Never jpeg, jpeg is only
 for photos.

This is wrong! PNG is as well as JPG or GIF a bitmap graphic. the difference
 is inly the compression method.
Only PDF and SVG are vector graphics. EPS is also a vector graphics format
 but many EPS images are only wrapped bitmap images. 

Isn't the same true for PDF? You can wrap bitmap files in it, I think (e.g. 
when scanner software offer a Save as pdf option). File format in itself is 
not necessarily an indication of bitmap vs. vector graphics. With the possible 
exception of SVG, perhaps (which I use but am pretty ignorant about)?

S.
   





__
Stefano Franchi
Department of Philosophy  Ph:  (979) 862-2211
Texas AM University  Fax: (979) 845-0458
305B Bolton Hall  fran...@philosophy.tamu.edu
College Station, TX 77843-4237

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Anders Host-Madsen]

I get great PDF output, that can be scaled to
any size. The only thing I did was to set the encoding
to OT1. If you don't use international characters, that
should enable LaTeX to use vector fonts.

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Uwe Stöhr]

Stefano Franchi schrieb:


Only PDF and SVG are vector graphics. EPS is also a vector graphics format
but many EPS images are only wrapped bitmap images. 


Isn't the same true for PDF? You can wrap bitmap files in it, I think


Yes, it is the same but rather seldom used. So check that you have a 
real vector graphic, zoom into it.


regards Uwe

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Stefano Franchi]

On 11/10/09, Uwe Stöhr uwesto...@web.de wrote:
Stefano Franchi schrieb:
 Only PDF and SVG are vector graphics. EPS is also a vector graphics
 format but many EPS images are only wrapped bitmap images.

 Isn't the same true for PDF? You can wrap bitmap files in it, I think

Yes, it is the same but rather seldom used. So check that you have a
real vector graphic, zoom into it.


Right. 
My (admittedly quite trivial) point was that people should not assume a PDF 
file is in vector graphic format when---thanks to the enormous popularity of 
the file format---some application software will offer to save bitmaps as pdf, 
thus (perhaps) misleading the user into thinking they have produced a vector 
graphics when that's not the case.

Cheers,

S. 





__
Stefano Franchi
Department of Philosophy  Ph:  (979) 862-2211
Texas AM University  Fax: (979) 845-0458
305B Bolton Hall  fran...@philosophy.tamu.edu
College Station, TX 77843-4237

lyx and pdf fonts

[ask2]

Hi
I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it is if
the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunaltely that never is the
case.

So am I just stupid or is there a way to get really high quality pdf from
LYX?

Main purpose is to read on the computer so both images and text should be
suitable for that.
I gues it means that I need ttf or otf fonts in the pdf?

I think I asked this 5-6 years ago but it seems nothing has changed :(

S back to Microsoft Word again :(

Best Regards
J

ps Win XP lyx 1.6 , miktex 2.8

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Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Manveru]

2009/11/10 ask2 joakim.askl...@gmail.com:

 Hi
 I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it is if
 the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunaltely that never is the
 case.

 So am I just stupid or is there a way to get really high quality pdf from
 LYX?

 Main purpose is to read on the computer so both images and text should be
 suitable for that.
 I gues it means that I need ttf or otf fonts in the pdf?

 I think I asked this 5-6 years ago but it seems nothing has changed :(

 S back to Microsoft Word again :(

 Best Regards
 J

 ps Win XP lyx 1.6 , miktex 2.8

Do not feel offended, but I think you are lazy man. To get really high
quality PDF from LaTeX, you need minimal study about LaTeX and vector
fonts, microtype and images/pictures. LyX is not guilty of PDF quality
as it is only editor using LaTeX to produce results. Your lack of
knowledge is guilty in this case.

If you would like to kindy ask for help on this list I am sure lot of
people would help you with that, and you would get documents much
better that from Word. So... please stick with Word and never return.
Thank You!

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Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Helge Hafting]

ask2 wrote:

Hi
I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it is if
the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunaltely that never is the
case.

So am I just stupid or is there a way to get really high quality pdf from
LYX?


Yes. Make sure the default font is not a bitmap font. Unfortunately, the
default font is a bitmap font. You must change it.

So, go Document-Settings-Fonts and choose something else instead of
standard. There is Latin Modern if you like the look of the
standard font on paper, but want nice pdf. Or select something else
like Times Roman, Palatino, . . .

To avoid making this change for every document, save it as the new default.


Main purpose is to read on the computer so both images and text should be
suitable for that.


That took care of the text, now for the images. What exactly is the
problem with your images?

If you draw something, make vector graphics rather than bitmaps, if 
possible. If you need screenshots, use png. Never jpeg, jpeg is only

for photos.


I gues it means that I need ttf or otf fonts in the pdf?

I think I asked this 5-6 years ago but it seems nothing has changed :(


Nothing much need to change. Have been making quality PDFs for more than 
5-6 years. All you need is to know a few things, such as changing from 
the default font. Most software has a few things you need to know, and 
you can find it out on this mailing list if you want to.





S back to Microsoft Word again :(


Whatever you like. You'll be harder pressed making quality PDFs with 
word though.



Helge Hafting

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Luca Carlon]

ask2 joakim.askl...@... writes:
 Hi
 I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it is if
 the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunaltely that never is the
 case.
 
 So am I just stupid or is there a way to get really high quality pdf from
 LYX?
 
 Main purpose is to read on the computer so both images and text should be
 suitable for that.

Sorry, but what do you mean by high quality? As far as I can see, my documents
are perfect. I can zoom to whatever level and quality is perfect. I use eps
graphics, and it is highest possible quality as well. Could it be your PDF
reader the problem?

Luca

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Uwe Stöhr]

ask2 schrieb:


I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it is if
the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunately that never is the
case.


See http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/PDF#toc5


Main purpose is to read on the computer so both images and text should be
suitable for that.
I gues it means that I need ttf or otf fonts in the pdf?


Yes, you need vector fonts. The above link describes how to do that.

Btw. the LyX documentation files (except of the Intro manual) you find in the Help menu also use 
vector fonts, when they look OK for you, your documents will look OK too.



I think I asked this 5-6 years ago but it seems nothing has changed :(

S back to Microsoft Word again :(


Wow, you're giving up before you've got a reply to you email.

regards Uwe

Re: lyx and pdf fonts

[Steve Litt]

Good information here Helge...

On Tuesday 10 November 2009 08:12:37 Helge Hafting wrote:
 ask2 wrote:
  Hi
  I try out LYX maybe once a year. What I am looking for when I try it is
  if the pdf files I can get is of high quality. Unfortunaltely that never
  is the case.
 
  So am I just stupid or is there a way to get really high quality pdf from
  LYX?

 Yes. Make sure the default font is not a bitmap font. Unfortunately, the
 default font is a bitmap font. You must change it.

 So, go Document-Settings-Fonts and choose something else instead of
 standard. There is Latin Modern if you like the look of the
 standard font on paper, but want nice pdf. Or select something else
 like Times Roman, Palatino, . . .

Helge -- I've been using Century Schoolbook, which shows up as one of the 
choices with LyX as it comes with Mandriva and Ubuntu. Is Century Schoolbook a 
vector font? I found  Latin Modern too light and stringy.

 To avoid making this change for every document, save it as the new default.

  Main purpose is to read on the computer so both images and text should be
  suitable for that.

 That took care of the text, now for the images. What exactly is the
 problem with your images?

 If you draw something, make vector graphics rather than bitmaps, if
 possible. If you need screenshots, use png. Never jpeg, jpeg is only
 for photos.

I didn't know .png is a vector graphic. I've been converting graphics to PDF 
before using them -- PDF *is* a vector format after all, and it seems to scale 
well. However, it would be soo much easier to use .png. Thanks for the 
tip.

As far as the original poster, I've found that the output quality depends as 
much on the PDF reader as anything else. I've had docs that were beautiful on 
Acroread and ugly on xpdf, and others that were ugly on Acroread and beautiful 
on xpdf. I hate to admit it, but if my eBooks look good on Acroread, that 
satisfies 95% of my potential readers so I let it go that way.

SteveT
 
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