Time machine and VoiceOver

2013-04-07 Thread George Cham
I was happly playing with time machine, restoring files I'd deleted last month. 
Then I got to wondering, are their VoiceOver commands to use to move back in 
time with time machine? 

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Showing hidden files in itunes

2013-04-07 Thread George Cham
I've hidden files that I created using spoken as itunes tracks, and I want them 
to show up in itunes. 
How is this done? 

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Re: Yet Another, Question, About Xcode

2013-04-07 Thread Harmony Neil
Fair enough. I've been on a few apple lists since last night, and apparently 
you don't have much of a choice but to use objective c.  Anyway, I've found a 
tutorial thing with some examples, so I can post the ink if anyone wants. Mind 
you, this is not a programming list so I guess that would be going far off 
topic. blah

On 7 Apr 2013, at 04:53, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote:

 you can't rename the compiled file with a .app extension, because an app file 
 is more than just the executable file.  If you highlight any .app file in 
 your hd, then ctrl click on it, or bring up the context menu, (or in 
 terminal,, just cd to the app file itself) you can see all the other files in 
 the app folder along with the program itself.  Unless you can reconstruct 
 this file structure, and provide valid files to replace the ones that exist 
 in other app files, you won't have an app file, no matter what you call it.  
 Xcode takes care of this for you, though it is possible to do the job 
 manually, it's not something you'd really want to do if you can avoid it.  
 It's not a fun task, and to be honest, I don't think anybody really knows how 
 to do it, there's only a bunch of folks out there (well, ok, not a bunch, 
 maybe just a few) who have done trial and error, and gotten it to work, but I 
 doubt even they have a 100 percent clear understanding of what all is 
 required, all the
  options that can be used, and so on.  I have managed to get this to work, but 
like AI said, it's not fun, it's extremely error prone, and it's not something 
even I recomend, and that's saying a lot.  If I could find sufficient 
documentation, I'd certainly build an app creator, because Xcode is *not* my 
friend, and having the ability to create app files on the fly would serve many 
purposes.  However, until that time, you're stuck using Xcode as big a pain as 
it is.
 There are some environments that can be used that aren't Xcode, but they are 
 not very accessible, and I've not been able to get any of them to work 
 reliably repeatedly, which goes back to my whole I don't think anyone 
 completely understands the app file structure/options (note I said structure 
 and options), so in short, you're out of luck on this one.
 sorry, and I wish I had better news.
 If you find something that works all the time, I'd sure like to hear about 
 it.  I've only found a couple things that work under certain conditions, none 
 of which I seem to have on my development machine.
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Re: Showing hidden files in itunes

2013-04-07 Thread Esther
Hello George,

I think you mean that you have files that you are having difficulty finding in 
iTunes, and that were created with Add to iTunes as a Spoken Track service, 
rather than that you made those tracks as hidden files.  A good way to locate 
files that you have added to iTunes, is to select the Recently Added smart 
playlist in the iTunes sidebar, assuming you have your sidebar showing. The 
playlist will contain all tracks you added to iTunes in the last two weeks, 
listed chronologically.  I believe that your added tracks will just have the 
name Text to Speech, so you may want to edit the name of the track.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On 6 Apr 2013, at 22:35, George Cham wrote:

 I've hidden files that I created using spoken as itunes tracks, and I want 
 them to show up in itunes. 
 How is this done? 
 
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Re: Time machine and VoiceOver

2013-04-07 Thread Will
I think we just have to sue the slider as you are already doing but if i am 
wrong, would like to be notified

On 7 Apr 2013, at 08:30, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote:

 I was happly playing with time machine, restoring files I'd deleted last 
 month. 
 Then I got to wondering, are their VoiceOver commands to use to move back in 
 time with time machine? 
 
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crosswords?

2013-04-07 Thread William Lomas
hello to all do accessible crosswords for the mac, exist?

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Re: crosswords?

2013-04-07 Thread Harmony Neil
I haven't heard of any, but it doesn't mean they don't.  I haven't really 
looked to be honest, but there aren't all that many accessible games/puzzles 
etc for the mac out there which is annoying.
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How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Eric Caron
Hi listers,

I thought there was a way to open a link in a new window so that you 
could then return to the original web page and be in the same position.  I 
can't seem to find that command.

Here is what I'm trying to do.  I am in the NLS BARD and land on a book 
I want to add to my wish list.  I press the link and go to a new page where I 
add the book then press back to summery list.  I then return to the original 
web page but am at the top and now have to sort through 18,000 items or more to 
get back to the place I was at.  Item chooser works but is slow.  If I could 
return to the site at the same location I left from I would save lots of time.

Suggestions are greatly appreciated!

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Re: How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Harmony Neil
You should just be able to do voiceover shift m on the link you want to open in 
a new window then go down to the appropriate option.  Then you can use 
voiceover f2 to go between the windows in safari or whatever browser you're 
using on the mac.
On 7 Apr 2013, at 14:21, Eric Caron eric_ca...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Hi listers,
 
   I thought there was a way to open a link in a new window so that you 
 could then return to the original web page and be in the same position.  I 
 can't seem to find that command.
 
   Here is what I'm trying to do.  I am in the NLS BARD and land on a book 
 I want to add to my wish list.  I press the link and go to a new page where I 
 add the book then press back to summery list.  I then return to the original 
 web page but am at the top and now have to sort through 18,000 items or more 
 to get back to the place I was at.  Item chooser works but is slow.  If I 
 could return to the site at the same location I left from I would save lots 
 of time.
 
 Suggestions are greatly appreciated!
 
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Re: crosswords?

2013-04-07 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Will,

The Guardian crosswords are completely accessible. Go to the Guardian's 
crossword page and select either quick or cryptic, then choose the Standard 
version.

On the crossword page, the clues are lists under level 4 headings. Use Hotspots 
to mark your place in the list of clues, then press VO-Space to jump to the 
grid. Type in your answer then jump back to the Hotspot. Also, while in the 
grid, you can read the clue again with VO-Cmd-number with the number 
corresponding to the Hotspot you set. I use Hotspot 0 all the way through the 
crossword.

You can look at the letters that are already there by using just the arrow keys 
going right for across and down for down.

You can check your answer by going left from the Across clues heading and 
clicking the Check button. You then jump back to your Hotspot, do VO-Space and 
read the letters using the arrow keys.

It works great.

Cheers,

Anne


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Re: crosswords?

2013-04-07 Thread Will
Anne so if we have been given lettres for clues they are given to us for easy 
completion?

On 7 Apr 2013, at 14:35, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello Will,
 
 The Guardian crosswords are completely accessible. Go to the Guardian's 
 crossword page and select either quick or cryptic, then choose the Standard 
 version.
 
 On the crossword page, the clues are lists under level 4 headings. Use 
 Hotspots to mark your place in the list of clues, then press VO-Space to jump 
 to the grid. Type in your answer then jump back to the Hotspot. Also, while 
 in the grid, you can read the clue again with VO-Cmd-number with the number 
 corresponding to the Hotspot you set. I use Hotspot 0 all the way through the 
 crossword.
 
 You can look at the letters that are already there by using just the arrow 
 keys going right for across and down for down.
 
 You can check your answer by going left from the Across clues heading and 
 clicking the Check button. You then jump back to your Hotspot, do VO-Space 
 and read the letters using the arrow keys.
 
 It works great.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 7 Apr 2013, at 13:53, William Lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hello to all do accessible crosswords for the mac, exist?
 
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Re: crosswords?

2013-04-07 Thread Will
these sound great will take a look

On 7 Apr 2013, at 14:35, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:

 Hello Will,
 
 The Guardian crosswords are completely accessible. Go to the Guardian's 
 crossword page and select either quick or cryptic, then choose the Standard 
 version.
 
 On the crossword page, the clues are lists under level 4 headings. Use 
 Hotspots to mark your place in the list of clues, then press VO-Space to jump 
 to the grid. Type in your answer then jump back to the Hotspot. Also, while 
 in the grid, you can read the clue again with VO-Cmd-number with the number 
 corresponding to the Hotspot you set. I use Hotspot 0 all the way through the 
 crossword.
 
 You can look at the letters that are already there by using just the arrow 
 keys going right for across and down for down.
 
 You can check your answer by going left from the Across clues heading and 
 clicking the Check button. You then jump back to your Hotspot, do VO-Space 
 and read the letters using the arrow keys.
 
 It works great.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 On 7 Apr 2013, at 13:53, William Lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
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Re: crosswords?

2013-04-07 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Will,

The letters I'm talking about are the ones you've put in yourself earlier when 
doing, say, the across clues.

I go through the cryptic crossword as quickly as possible putting in the 
answers I can get easily, then I go through it again seeing what letters I 
already have for the clues I find more difficult. That's the normal way of 
doing crosswords.

If you find a clue you just can't get, you can even cheat by clicking the Cheat 
button and the answer will be filled in for you.

Cheers,

Anne


On 7 Apr 2013, at 15:37, Will will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anne so if we have been given lettres for clues they are given to us for easy 
 completion?

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Re: How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Eric Caron
Hi Harmony,

Sadly that did not work for me.  I made sure all my Voice Over cursers 
were on the link and when opening the context menu I got 9 options but open in 
new window was not one of them.  

I got thinks like 
Back 
reload page 
Open in dashboard 
Save Page as... 

Block add 

and so on.

More tips wanted.

Thanks,

Eric Caron 
On Apr 7, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Harmony Neil harmony.n...@gmail.com wrote:

 You should just be able to do voiceover shift m on the link you want to open 
 in a new window then go down to the appropriate option.  Then you can use 
 voiceover f2 to go between the windows in safari or whatever browser you're 
 using on the mac.
 On 7 Apr 2013, at 14:21, Eric Caron eric_ca...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Hi listers,
 
  I thought there was a way to open a link in a new window so that you 
 could then return to the original web page and be in the same position.  I 
 can't seem to find that command.
 
  Here is what I'm trying to do.  I am in the NLS BARD and land on a book 
 I want to add to my wish list.  I press the link and go to a new page where 
 I add the book then press back to summery list.  I then return to the 
 original web page but am at the top and now have to sort through 18,000 
 items or more to get back to the place I was at.  Item chooser works but is 
 slow.  If I could return to the site at the same location I left from I 
 would save lots of time.
 
 Suggestions are greatly appreciated!
 
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Re: How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Travis Siegel
Harmony is right though.  If you have the link highlighted, vo-shift- 
m will give you a list of options.  If it's a regular link, open in  
new window will be one of those options.  If on the other hand, it's  
a javascript link (honestly, I don't understand why so many page  
creators waste time using javascript when a perfectly good a href  
will do quite nicely) then the open in new window option will not  
appear, and the reason for that is because, the javascript action is  
highly dependent on what javascript is running, what variables are  
set, and what they are set to.  It's nearly impossible for safari to  
know in advance what the javascript link will do when clicked, as a  
result, opening the link in a new window isn't possible, because  
there's no way for safari to know what is supposed to happen when the  
link is clicked.  It may open a new page, it may highlight something  
on screen, or it may close the page all together.  Safari doesn't  
know, vo doesn't know, and as a result, opening in a new window makes  
no sense in that context, so the option is removed from available  
options.  It's anoying, but unfortunately, that's what we're stuck  
with.  I don't use the bard system yet, I need to get signed up from  
scratch due to extreme stupidity on the behalf of my uncooperating  
library, so I can't even begin to assist with the bard site, though I  
sure did enjoy the web braille while I had it. sigh

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Re: crosswords?

2013-04-07 Thread Travis Siegel


On Apr 7, 2013, at 8:58 AM, Harmony Neil wrote:

there aren't all that many accessible games/puzzles etc for the mac  
out there which is annoying.
As I keep pointing out, and as folks keep ignoring.  I have games on  
my mac pages, located at http://www.softcon.com/mac/
You'll find a yahtzee game, several terminal games ported from other  
operating systems, and several other things that are mac related.   
I'm playing around with a game I found recently (well, my backups  
tell me I found it quite some time ago, but I only recently refound  
it and began playing with it) which is an interesting game you play  
in the browser.  It's interesting in that you click on colored balls,  
and they highlight all colored balls of the same color that are  
adjacent to the one you clicked on, as well as any it touches that  
are the same color.  I've (once) gotten 11 balls to drop out all at  
once.  A second click on any of the selected balls will eliminate  
them, moving the grid down/right as needed to fill in the empty  
spots.  It starts out as a 7x7 grid, and the idea obviously is to  
remove all the balls from the grid.  I've not managed to eliminate  
all the balls on the screen, but I have gotten it down to just 1 left  
twice, which is horrible considering how many times I've played the  
silly thing.
Anyway, this started out as an apple sample code.  I just added code  
to make it accessible, (mostly just adding code to make alt tags and  
make them behave properly) It's an adicting game, so be careful.

Anyway, you can find it at:
http://www.softcon.com/puzzler
Give it a try, and let me know if anything needs fixed.  I'm pretty  
sure I covered everything, but since I'm the only one who played it  
so far, I don't know if it's missing things other folks would want.

Enjoy.
the url again is
http://www.softcon.com/puzzler
hth.

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Re: How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Esther
Hi Eric, Travis, and Others,

What happens if you temporarily change your Safari preferences so that under 
the tab category the pop up for Open pages in tabs instead of windows is set 
to never?  Would that work to force the link to open in a new window? 

Esther

On Apr 7, 2013, at 4:45 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:

 Harmony is right though.  If you have the link highlighted, vo-shift-m will 
 give you a list of options.  If it's a regular link, open in new window will 
 be one of those options.  If on the other hand, it's a javascript link 
 (honestly, I don't understand why so many page creators waste time using 
 javascript when a perfectly good a href will do quite nicely) then the open 
 in new window option will not appear, and the reason for that is because, the 
 javascript action is highly dependent on what javascript is running, what 
 variables are set, and what they are set to.  It's nearly impossible for 
 safari to know in advance what the javascript link will do when clicked, as a 
 result, opening the link in a new window isn't possible, because there's no 
 way for safari to know what is supposed to happen when the link is clicked.  
 It may open a new page, it may highlight something on screen, or it may close 
 the page all together.  Safari doesn't know, vo doesn't know, and as a 
 result, op
 ening in a new window makes no sense in that context, so the option is removed 
from available options.  It's anoying, but unfortunately, that's what we're 
stuck with.  I don't use the bard system yet, I need to get signed up from 
scratch due to extreme stupidity on the behalf of my uncooperating library, so 
I can't even begin to assist with the bard site, though I sure did enjoy the 
web braille while I had it. sigh
 Ah well, hope this helps anyway.
 

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Re: Yet Another, Question, About Xcode

2013-04-07 Thread Travis Siegel
Objective c is the language of choice for apple, but Xcode supports  
other languages as well.  I (for instance) have pascal, python, java,  
ruby, and probably a few others installed, and they do work, but  
honestly, apple isn't real gunho for other languages it seems, and  
the whole gui builder thing really irritates me.  Siunce tiger, I've  
been complaining how unusable the gui creator is for vo users, and  
although it has gotten better with each release, it's still  
impossible for a vo user to build a gui interface from scratch w/o  
sighted assistance.  There's alternatives, such as renaissance, java  
(I used to use java to create my gui interfaces for me, since the  
grid layout automatically takes care of gui layout for you) but apple  
no longer has seamless integration of java into Xcode.  It can still  
be done, but it's no longer the smooth seamless process it used to  
be. As a result, I'm still hunting for an alternative to Xcode.  I  
suspect I'll never find one,  but I keep looking anyhow.
For simple programs though, java still works quite well, since as  
pointed out above, guis can be created with very little fuss, and it  
just works.  Something I can't say for Objective C and it's Xcode  
interface. sigh
I'm strongly of the opinion that apple doesn't expect vi developers,  
so doesn't really do anything to support us.  They obviously know  
we're out here, but apparently, we're such a small cross section,  
they must honestly feel the extra effort it would take to make things  
completely usable for us isn't worth the time it would take to do so,  
and so we're left scrambling for alternatives to do the job.
Don't get me wrong, Apple has done wonderful for the vi user, and I  
expect even better things from them in the future, as does everyone I  
know who uses apple products.  I can't thank apple enough for  
removing the access barrier which did wonders for reducing cost for  
those of us who don't have state agencies to purchase equipment for  
us, but I honestly believe that vi programmers just aren't on apple's  
radar, specifically because there's so few of us out here.  Of  
course, that kind of makes the whole thing self replicating, no tools  
that work for vi users, means no vi programmers can develop for the  
platform, which eliminates the need for vi accessible development  
tools, and so on. sigh.
I would love to be proved wrong on this point, but judging from what  
I've seen since 2005, I can't see any other interpretation for the  
available information/behavior I've personally obtained/observed.   
It's frustrating, but it's the state of things, so those of us who  
enjoy the programming end of things, just have to keep muddling along  
turning out what we can, and continue to hope we can manage despite  
the issues.


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Re: How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Phil Halton
This is the one big failing of Safari in my opinion. I don't know why they 
don't fix this so that returning from a link positions you back at the same 
spot on the webpage. I'll be watching this thread with interest.


- Original Message - 
From: Eric Caron eric_ca...@mac-access.net

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 9:21 AM
Subject: How to Open link in new window?



Hi listers,

I thought there was a way to open a link in a new window so that you could 
then return to the original web page and be in the same position.  I can't 
seem to find that command.


Here is what I'm trying to do.  I am in the NLS BARD and land on a book I 
want to add to my wish list.  I press the link and go to a new page where 
I add the book then press back to summery list.  I then return to the 
original web page but am at the top and now have to sort through 18,000 
items or more to get back to the place I was at.  Item chooser works but 
is slow.  If I could return to the site at the same location I left from I 
would save lots of time.


Suggestions are greatly appreciated!

Eric Caron
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Re: How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Sarah k Alawami
If you hit cmd  option shift enter it normally opens in a new window, at least 
for me. There is a safari extension to do this but I forgot what it was called 
and I uninstalled it as safari freezes when I install extensions and i can't 
get to the install dialogue. or button quick enough.

Take care.
On Apr 7, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote:

 This is the one big failing of Safari in my opinion. I don't know why they 
 don't fix this so that returning from a link positions you back at the same 
 spot on the webpage. I'll be watching this thread with interest.
 
 - Original Message - From: Eric Caron eric_ca...@mac-access.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 9:21 AM
 Subject: How to Open link in new window?
 
 
 Hi listers,
 
 I thought there was a way to open a link in a new window so that you could 
 then return to the original web page and be in the same position.  I can't 
 seem to find that command.
 
 Here is what I'm trying to do.  I am in the NLS BARD and land on a book I 
 want to add to my wish list.  I press the link and go to a new page where I 
 add the book then press back to summery list.  I then return to the original 
 web page but am at the top and now have to sort through 18,000 items or more 
 to get back to the place I was at.  Item chooser works but is slow.  If I 
 could return to the site at the same location I left from I would save lots 
 of time.
 
 Suggestions are greatly appreciated!
 
 Eric Caron
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Re: How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Josh Gregory
Out of curiosity, could Google Chrome do it?

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 7, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote:

 This is the one big failing of Safari in my opinion. I don't know why they 
 don't fix this so that returning from a link positions you back at the same 
 spot on the webpage. I'll be watching this thread with interest.
 
 - Original Message - From: Eric Caron eric_ca...@mac-access.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 9:21 AM
 Subject: How to Open link in new window?
 
 
 Hi listers,
 
 I thought there was a way to open a link in a new window so that you could 
 then return to the original web page and be in the same position.  I can't 
 seem to find that command.
 
 Here is what I'm trying to do.  I am in the NLS BARD and land on a book I 
 want to add to my wish list.  I press the link and go to a new page where I 
 add the book then press back to summery list.  I then return to the original 
 web page but am at the top and now have to sort through 18,000 items or more 
 to get back to the place I was at.  Item chooser works but is slow.  If I 
 could return to the site at the same location I left from I would save lots 
 of time.
 
 Suggestions are greatly appreciated!
 
 Eric Caron
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Re: Time machine and VoiceOver

2013-04-07 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Why not  just copy paste from the drive to the real directory?  I've used both 
methods and I love the copy paste thing better lol!

Take care.
On Apr 7, 2013, at 4:40 AM, Will will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think we just have to sue the slider as you are already doing but if i am 
 wrong, would like to be notified
 
 On 7 Apr 2013, at 08:30, George Cham george.c...@outlook.com wrote:
 
 I was happly playing with time machine, restoring files I'd deleted last 
 month. 
 Then I got to wondering, are their VoiceOver commands to use to move back in 
 time with time machine? 
 
 Typed with Fleksy
 reply://george.c...@outlook.com
 
 
 
 
 George,
 
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Re: How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Travis Siegel
Esther, good suggestion.  Unfortunately, I've tried this, and it  
doesn't help in this case, because the link is tied into javascript  
code that is rujnnning on the current page, and often, if you try to  
copy the link, all you get is a void(0) chunk of code, because until  
the link is actually clicked, nothing is there for the javascript to  
do. sigh

Think we're stuck on this one. :)

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Re: How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Eric Caron
Hi Sarah, Esther, and others,

I tried Esther's and Sarah's suggestions and Sarah's worked!  Command, Option, 
Shift, Enter pressed when on the link of the book title opened the link in a 
window that when closed left me back in my original location on the web site.  
This will be a huge time saver for me on the NLS BARD site.  I look forward to 
trying this on other sites such as Amazon to see if it also works.

I tried changing the setting as Esther described but unless I did it wrong it 
didn't work the way I needed.

Without this community on lists like this one, how would I ever have found that 
key combination?  Thanks everyone.

Eric Caron 
On Apr 7, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you hit cmd  option shift enter it normally opens in a new window, at 
 least for me. There is a safari extension to do this but I forgot what it was 
 called and I uninstalled it as safari freezes when I install extensions and i 
 can't get to the install dialogue. or button quick enough.
 
 Take care.
 On Apr 7, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 This is the one big failing of Safari in my opinion. I don't know why they 
 don't fix this so that returning from a link positions you back at the same 
 spot on the webpage. I'll be watching this thread with interest.
 
 - Original Message - From: Eric Caron eric_ca...@mac-access.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 9:21 AM
 Subject: How to Open link in new window?
 
 
 Hi listers,
 
 I thought there was a way to open a link in a new window so that you could 
 then return to the original web page and be in the same position.  I can't 
 seem to find that command.
 
 Here is what I'm trying to do.  I am in the NLS BARD and land on a book I 
 want to add to my wish list.  I press the link and go to a new page where I 
 add the book then press back to summery list.  I then return to the 
 original web page but am at the top and now have to sort through 18,000 
 items or more to get back to the place I was at.  Item chooser works but is 
 slow.  If I could return to the site at the same location I left from I 
 would save lots of time.
 
 Suggestions are greatly appreciated!
 
 Eric Caron
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Re: How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Esther
Hi Travis, Eric, and Others,

OK, if setting Safari preferences to force opening pages in a new window won't 
work, here's another suggestion:  if you're focused on the link, try turning 
mouse keys on by pressing the option key 5 times, then do a Control-click on 
the link.  You should see the options for Open Link in New Window, Open Link 
in New Tab, Download Linked File, etc.  Arrow down to select the option to 
open the link in a new window and press return. Then turn mouse keys off again 
by pressing the option key another 5 times.  I think that Eric may already have 
the mouse keys option checked to allow him to turn them on or off with 5 Option 
key presses, but for everyone else, this is under System Preferences  
Accessibility (or Universal Access pre-Mountain Lion) under the Mouse  
Trackpad options.  There should be an options checkbox you can check that lets 
you press the Option key five times to toggle mouse keys on and off.  And now 
that I think of it, with mouse keys turned on, you can press
  Control+i instead of doing a Control-click to bring up the context menu for 
the link.  No need to click on the trackpad, since the point of mouse keys is 
to give you keyboard key access for these actions.  Also, in Mountain Lion you 
should be able to press Fn-Command-Option-F5 to go to the accessibility options 
window.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On 7 Apr 2013, at 06:16, Travis Siegel wrote:

 Esther, good suggestion.  Unfortunately, I've tried this, and it doesn't help 
 in this case, because the link is tied into javascript code that is rujnnning 
 on the current page, and often, if you try to copy the link, all you get is a 
 void(0) chunk of code, because until the link is actually clicked, nothing is 
 there for the javascript to do. sigh
 Think we're stuck on this one. :)
 

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Re: How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Esther
Hi Eric,

That's great!  Ignore my post about using mouse keys.  

Cheers,

Esther

On 7 Apr 2013, at 06:43, Eric Caron wrote:

 Hi Sarah, Esther, and others,
 
 I tried Esther's and Sarah's suggestions and Sarah's worked!  Command, 
 Option, Shift, Enter pressed when on the link of the book title opened the 
 link in a window that when closed left me back in my original location on the 
 web site.  This will be a huge time saver for me on the NLS BARD site.  I 
 look forward to trying this on other sites such as Amazon to see if it also 
 works.
 
 I tried changing the setting as Esther described but unless I did it wrong it 
 didn't work the way I needed.
 
 Without this community on lists like this one, how would I ever have found 
 that key combination?  Thanks everyone.
 
 Eric Caron 
 On Apr 7, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If you hit cmd  option shift enter it normally opens in a new window, at 
 least for me. There is a safari extension to do this but I forgot what it 
 was called and I uninstalled it as safari freezes when I install extensions 
 and i can't get to the install dialogue. or button quick enough.
 
 Take care.
 On Apr 7, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 This is the one big failing of Safari in my opinion. I don't know why they 
 don't fix this so that returning from a link positions you back at the same 
 spot on the webpage. I'll be watching this thread with interest.
 
 - Original Message - From: Eric Caron eric_ca...@mac-access.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 9:21 AM
 Subject: How to Open link in new window?
 
 
 Hi listers,
 
 I thought there was a way to open a link in a new window so that you could 
 then return to the original web page and be in the same position.  I can't 
 seem to find that command.
 
 Here is what I'm trying to do.  I am in the NLS BARD and land on a book I 
 want to add to my wish list.  I press the link and go to a new page where 
 I add the book then press back to summery list.  I then return to the 
 original web page but am at the top and now have to sort through 18,000 
 items or more to get back to the place I was at.  Item chooser works but 
 is slow.  If I could return to the site at the same location I left from I 
 would save lots of time.
 
 Suggestions are greatly appreciated!
 
 Eric Caron

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Re: How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Esther
Hi Eric,

Now I'm feeling senile and forgetful. The keyboard shortcut options are 
actually listed on the tab preferences pane of Safari, if you read down past 
the pop up menu that for opening pages in tabs or windows, and use enter 
instead of click.

Cheers,

Esther

On 7 Apr 2013, at 06:43, Eric Caron wrote:

 Hi Sarah, Esther, and others,
 
 I tried Esther's and Sarah's suggestions and Sarah's worked!  Command, 
 Option, Shift, Enter pressed when on the link of the book title opened the 
 link in a window that when closed left me back in my original location on the 
 web site.  This will be a huge time saver for me on the NLS BARD site.  I 
 look forward to trying this on other sites such as Amazon to see if it also 
 works.
 
 I tried changing the setting as Esther described but unless I did it wrong it 
 didn't work the way I needed.
 
 Without this community on lists like this one, how would I ever have found 
 that key combination?  Thanks everyone.
 
 Eric Caron 
 On Apr 7, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If you hit cmd  option shift enter it normally opens in a new window, at 
 least for me. There is a safari extension to do this but I forgot what it 
 was called and I uninstalled it as safari freezes when I install extensions 
 and i can't get to the install dialogue. or button quick enough.
 
 Take care.
 On Apr 7, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 This is the one big failing of Safari in my opinion. I don't know why they 
 don't fix this so that returning from a link positions you back at the same 
 spot on the webpage. I'll be watching this thread with interest.
 
 - Original Message - From: Eric Caron eric_ca...@mac-access.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 9:21 AM
 Subject: How to Open link in new window?
 
 
 Hi listers,
 
 I thought there was a way to open a link in a new window so that you could 
 then return to the original web page and be in the same position.  I can't 
 seem to find that command.
 
 Here is what I'm trying to do.  I am in the NLS BARD and land on a book I 
 want to add to my wish list.  I press the link and go to a new page where 
 I add the book then press back to summery list.  I then return to the 
 original web page but am at the top and now have to sort through 18,000 
 items or more to get back to the place I was at.  Item chooser works but 
 is slow.  If I could return to the site at the same location I left from I 
 would save lots of time.
 
 Suggestions are greatly appreciated!
 
 Eric Caron

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Opening Word Attachments in Mail

2013-04-07 Thread Matthew Chao
Hi, Folks.  How do I open an attachment in Mail.  I have a Word document that's 
an attachment.  Thanks in advance for your help.

Matthew Chao

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Re: How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Sarah k Alawami
You can also I learned just a few hours ago set a web spot or what ever it is 
called with vo l right bracket on the link where ou want to be dropped the next 
time you visit that page. the left bracket key with vo removes the web spot.

good luck.
On Apr 7, 2013, at 9:43 AM, Eric Caron eric_ca...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Hi Sarah, Esther, and others,
 
 I tried Esther's and Sarah's suggestions and Sarah's worked!  Command, 
 Option, Shift, Enter pressed when on the link of the book title opened the 
 link in a window that when closed left me back in my original location on the 
 web site.  This will be a huge time saver for me on the NLS BARD site.  I 
 look forward to trying this on other sites such as Amazon to see if it also 
 works.
 
 I tried changing the setting as Esther described but unless I did it wrong it 
 didn't work the way I needed.
 
 Without this community on lists like this one, how would I ever have found 
 that key combination?  Thanks everyone.
 
 Eric Caron 
 On Apr 7, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If you hit cmd  option shift enter it normally opens in a new window, at 
 least for me. There is a safari extension to do this but I forgot what it 
 was called and I uninstalled it as safari freezes when I install extensions 
 and i can't get to the install dialogue. or button quick enough.
 
 Take care.
 On Apr 7, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 This is the one big failing of Safari in my opinion. I don't know why they 
 don't fix this so that returning from a link positions you back at the same 
 spot on the webpage. I'll be watching this thread with interest.
 
 - Original Message - From: Eric Caron eric_ca...@mac-access.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 9:21 AM
 Subject: How to Open link in new window?
 
 
 Hi listers,
 
 I thought there was a way to open a link in a new window so that you could 
 then return to the original web page and be in the same position.  I can't 
 seem to find that command.
 
 Here is what I'm trying to do.  I am in the NLS BARD and land on a book I 
 want to add to my wish list.  I press the link and go to a new page where 
 I add the book then press back to summery list.  I then return to the 
 original web page but am at the top and now have to sort through 18,000 
 items or more to get back to the place I was at.  Item chooser works but 
 is slow.  If I could return to the site at the same location I left from I 
 would save lots of time.
 
 Suggestions are greatly appreciated!
 
 Eric Caron
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Re: Opening Word Attachments in Mail

2013-04-07 Thread Josh Gregory
When you're on the attachment, Wittrell say embedded and then the name, Press 
voice over shift m to  open the context menu, and then arrow Down to  open and 
press enter.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Opening Word Attachments in Mail

2013-04-07 Thread Matthew Chao

Hi, Josh.  Thanks for the info.

Matthew Chao

At 02:35 PM 4/7/2013, Josh Gregory wrote:
When you're on the attachment, Wittrell say embedded and then the 
name, Press voice over shift m to  open the context menu, and then 
arrow Down to  open and press enter.


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Opening Word Attachments in Mail

2013-04-07 Thread Sarah k Alawami
You can either hit cmd y so it will quick look, or you can control click on the 
attachment and click open.

take care.
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Re: Opening Word Attachments in Mail

2013-04-07 Thread Josh Gregory
No problem, I'm glad I was able to help.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 7, 2013, at 2:49 PM, Matthew Chao mattc...@verizon.net wrote:

 Hi, Josh.  Thanks for the info.
 
 Matthew Chao
 
 At 02:35 PM 4/7/2013, Josh Gregory wrote:
 When you're on the attachment, Wittrell say embedded and then the name, 
 Press voice over shift m to  open the context menu, and then arrow Down to  
 open and press enter.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 7, 2013, at 2:02 PM, Matthew Chao mattc...@verizon.net wrote:
 
  Hi, Folks.  How do I open an attachment in Mail.  I have a Word document 
  that's an attachment.  Thanks in advance for your help.
 
  Matthew Chao
 
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Re: Showing hidden files in itunes

2013-04-07 Thread George Cham
I see by my post , that I did not go into the whole story .
I deleted the file from iTunes , and also hid it from iCloud .
I want to reenable this file so I can download it from iCloud again.

George Cham


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On 07/04/2013, at 7:43 PM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Hello George,
 
 I think you mean that you have files that you are having difficulty finding 
 in iTunes, and that were created with Add to iTunes as a Spoken Track 
 service, rather than that you made those tracks as hidden files.  A good 
 way to locate files that you have added to iTunes, is to select the Recently 
 Added smart playlist in the iTunes sidebar, assuming you have your sidebar 
 showing. The playlist will contain all tracks you added to iTunes in the last 
 two weeks, listed chronologically.  I believe that your added tracks will 
 just have the name Text to Speech, so you may want to edit the name of the 
 track.
 
 HTH.  Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On 6 Apr 2013, at 22:35, George Cham wrote:
 
 I've hidden files that I created using spoken as itunes tracks, and I want 
 them to show up in itunes. 
 How is this done? 
 
 Typed with Fleksy
 reply://george.c...@outlook.com
 
 
 
 
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Re: How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Eric Caron
Hi Esther and others,

I found the short cuts where you indicated but I would not have known 
to substitute enter for click.  One more interesting detail.  I believe I did 
try command, Option, Enter on the link and nothing happened several times.  I 
went back to the NLS BARD site and practiced a bit.  I found that if I am going 
down the list and land on the link I want to open in a new window it often 
doesn't respond to Command, Option, Enter or Shift, Command, Option Enter 
unless I arrow away from the link then come back to it.  It then seems to work 
consistently.  So if the command is not working for someone out there try 
arrowing away and then back to the link.  Like Esther I was questioning my 
memory as I thought command,Option Enter was supposed to open a link in a new 
window.  But, it just was not working!  Now, it does if I arrow away and back.  
Doing a mouse click on the link also did not make the key command work.

Still this is a quick way to get the site to do what I need.

Eric Caron 

On Apr 7, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Hi Eric,
 
 Now I'm feeling senile and forgetful. The keyboard shortcut options are 
 actually listed on the tab preferences pane of Safari, if you read down past 
 the pop up menu that for opening pages in tabs or windows, and use enter 
 instead of click.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On 7 Apr 2013, at 06:43, Eric Caron wrote:
 
 Hi Sarah, Esther, and others,
 
 I tried Esther's and Sarah's suggestions and Sarah's worked!  Command, 
 Option, Shift, Enter pressed when on the link of the book title opened the 
 link in a window that when closed left me back in my original location on 
 the web site.  This will be a huge time saver for me on the NLS BARD site.  
 I look forward to trying this on other sites such as Amazon to see if it 
 also works.
 
 I tried changing the setting as Esther described but unless I did it wrong 
 it didn't work the way I needed.
 
 Without this community on lists like this one, how would I ever have found 
 that key combination?  Thanks everyone.
 
 Eric Caron 
 On Apr 7, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If you hit cmd  option shift enter it normally opens in a new window, at 
 least for me. There is a safari extension to do this but I forgot what it 
 was called and I uninstalled it as safari freezes when I install extensions 
 and i can't get to the install dialogue. or button quick enough.
 
 Take care.
 On Apr 7, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 This is the one big failing of Safari in my opinion. I don't know why they 
 don't fix this so that returning from a link positions you back at the 
 same spot on the webpage. I'll be watching this thread with interest.
 
 - Original Message - From: Eric Caron eric_ca...@mac-access.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 9:21 AM
 Subject: How to Open link in new window?
 
 
 Hi listers,
 
 I thought there was a way to open a link in a new window so that you 
 could then return to the original web page and be in the same position.  
 I can't seem to find that command.
 
 Here is what I'm trying to do.  I am in the NLS BARD and land on a book I 
 want to add to my wish list.  I press the link and go to a new page where 
 I add the book then press back to summery list.  I then return to the 
 original web page but am at the top and now have to sort through 18,000 
 items or more to get back to the place I was at.  Item chooser works but 
 is slow.  If I could return to the site at the same location I left from 
 I would save lots of time.
 
 Suggestions are greatly appreciated!
 
 Eric Caron
 
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Re: How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Josh Gregory
Hi, how does one change these commands? From perusing the settings, it's not 
quite apparent how to do this.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 7, 2013, at 6:41 PM, Eric Caron eric_ca...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Hi Esther and others,
 
I found the short cuts where you indicated but I would not have known to 
 substitute enter for click.  One more interesting detail.  I believe I did 
 try command, Option, Enter on the link and nothing happened several times.  I 
 went back to the NLS BARD site and practiced a bit.  I found that if I am 
 going down the list and land on the link I want to open in a new window it 
 often doesn't respond to Command, Option, Enter or Shift, Command, Option 
 Enter unless I arrow away from the link then come back to it.  It then seems 
 to work consistently.  So if the command is not working for someone out there 
 try arrowing away and then back to the link.  Like Esther I was questioning 
 my memory as I thought command,Option Enter was supposed to open a link in a 
 new window.  But, it just was not working!  Now, it does if I arrow away and 
 back.  Doing a mouse click on the link also did not make the key command work.
 
 Still this is a quick way to get the site to do what I need.
 
 Eric Caron 
 
 On Apr 7, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote:
 
 Hi Eric,
 
 Now I'm feeling senile and forgetful. The keyboard shortcut options are 
 actually listed on the tab preferences pane of Safari, if you read down past 
 the pop up menu that for opening pages in tabs or windows, and use enter 
 instead of click.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On 7 Apr 2013, at 06:43, Eric Caron wrote:
 
 Hi Sarah, Esther, and others,
 
 I tried Esther's and Sarah's suggestions and Sarah's worked!  Command, 
 Option, Shift, Enter pressed when on the link of the book title opened the 
 link in a window that when closed left me back in my original location on 
 the web site.  This will be a huge time saver for me on the NLS BARD site.  
 I look forward to trying this on other sites such as Amazon to see if it 
 also works.
 
 I tried changing the setting as Esther described but unless I did it wrong 
 it didn't work the way I needed.
 
 Without this community on lists like this one, how would I ever have found 
 that key combination?  Thanks everyone.
 
 Eric Caron 
 On Apr 7, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If you hit cmd  option shift enter it normally opens in a new window, at 
 least for me. There is a safari extension to do this but I forgot what it 
 was called and I uninstalled it as safari freezes when I install 
 extensions and i can't get to the install dialogue. or button quick enough.
 
 Take care.
 On Apr 7, 2013, at 9:00 AM, Phil Halton philh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 This is the one big failing of Safari in my opinion. I don't know why 
 they don't fix this so that returning from a link positions you back at 
 the same spot on the webpage. I'll be watching this thread with interest.
 
 - Original Message - From: Eric Caron 
 eric_ca...@mac-access.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 9:21 AM
 Subject: How to Open link in new window?
 
 
 Hi listers,
 
 I thought there was a way to open a link in a new window so that you 
 could then return to the original web page and be in the same position.  
 I can't seem to find that command.
 
 Here is what I'm trying to do.  I am in the NLS BARD and land on a book 
 I want to add to my wish list.  I press the link and go to a new page 
 where I add the book then press back to summery list.  I then return to 
 the original web page but am at the top and now have to sort through 
 18,000 items or more to get back to the place I was at.  Item chooser 
 works but is slow.  If I could return to the site at the same location I 
 left from I would save lots of time.
 
 Suggestions are greatly appreciated!
 
 Eric Caron
 
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Re: A Recent Example Of Messages to multiple destinations

2013-04-07 Thread Bryan Smart
I've tried and tried, but can not unsubscribe. I've used your web form, linked 
at the bottom of list messages, but the confirmation message never comes. I've 
written to the contact address, but no response.

If I promise to repeatedly crosspost, would I get removed then? Please please 
please?

Bryan

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Looking to buy a mac

2013-04-07 Thread Matthew C
Hello all. I am needing to buy a new computer. I was planning on buying a
mac and doing some kind of partition or running windows virtually on it for
windows stuff I still wanted to use. The newer macs may be a little bit
pricy for me and I did see on amazon they had some of the older mac book
pros for reasonable prices. Any thoughts on what to get. Does anyone know
anybody who puts them together and if it would be cheaper to buy parts and
have someone do that? I am just basically asking what to look for in one and
where I can get one for the best price. Thanks for any help,

 

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Re: Looking to buy a mac

2013-04-07 Thread Travis Siegel
Mac aren't like windows pcs, there is no buying parts, andhaving  
someone put them together.  What you buy from apple is all there is.   
There'sveral places you can purchase used/older macs, my favorite is  
powermax.com.  They even have some of the old minimacs that are ppc  
based.  Good thing? They're less than 200 bucks.
Of course, they have brand-new machines too, so give them a shot.   
See if they have something you can use.  As far as putting windows on  
it, you'd use boot camp for that, and as long as you have an intel  
mac (all but the oldest macs are) then you're all set.  Anythiprior  
to 2006 or 2007 (I forget which) are not intel, anything newer than  
that is all intel, so you won't haveissues.

hth.
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I need some advice regarding the purchase of a new Macintosh system

2013-04-07 Thread Chris Gilland
I know it's not May as of yet, so I have a bit still yet to financially 
save, but I do want to be at least going ahead and doing my homework on 
things.


I myself am a huge Apple fanatic.  By now, you all should know that.  I have 
IPhones here, IPads, a mac mini, a Mac book, a few apple TV's, etc. 
Needless to say, I love! Apple!  With this said, here is the situation.


My mother currently has an old Dell Demention desktop Windows tower machine. 
Hold on, before you,Gordon or Lynn chew me out saying this list isn't 
Windows related, let me finish my comment, then you'll know why I'm 
mentioning the Windows side of this, as believe me, this post has hardly 
anything! to do with Windows.  I say this though so you all know what she's 
got currently.  So, it's running Windows XP SP3, I'm not sure the ram nor 
hard disk size.  I know she bought the thing back in 2004.  I want to say a 
50 or 80 gig drive, roughly, I'd say around 512MB ram.  This thing's got 
spyware galore on it, probably viruses left and right, and honestly has not 
been scanned nor updated in probably over 2 years.  I keep telling her to do 
it, but that leads me to why I'm writing this e-mail...


She is extremely! basic when it comes to computers.  When her company made 
her stop using a Blackberry (or as I'd call it, a Crap berry,) she went into 
using her work IPhone 4S kicking and screaming.  Between myself and one of 
my mom and I's best friends who's like a brother to me, and like a 2nd son 
to her, we both worked with her, and got her to where now, she doesn't do a 
huge amount with her phone aside texting and e-mail, and maybe using her 
camera a fair amount etc.  I think she's used Pandora maybe once or twice, 
and she uses Downcast almost constantly.  Point is, she's not a huge techy 
like I am, or a lot of us are on list.


She has seen my Mac computers and said they actually looked really easy to 
use from what little she saw.  I told her compared to windows, I personally 
had to whole heartedly agree.  To me, the mac makes way more sense.  It just 
seems to be way better laid out, and for beginners, seems to be extremely 
intuitive.  With this said, her birthday is May the 6th.  I'm going to be 
getting her a Mac Mini with Mountain Lion, as frankly, she really! does need 
a new computer.  And, she's really starting to get more into the Apple line 
of things.  She's got an Apple TV 2nd generation, and watches Hulu Plus all 
the time! on the thing, plus her Netflix.  She's in heaven with the thing! 
That was her BD gift last year.  Also, her sister gave her an IPad 1st 
generation which she swears by.  So, I come to you all, for advice.  She 
probably wont' do much more than browsing the web in Safari, or maybe in 
Chrome/Firefox, she may do some basic and I do, mean, very! very! basic 
photo viewing/editing, like cropping or resizing in Preview/IPhoto.  (She's 
sighted.)  She'll probably check E-mail a fair amount with the Mail 
application, and probably would want to do some stuff with Itunes, and 
she'll probably wind up using IWorks.  Also she may use the native DVD 
player app a bit to watch movies.  She's not going to be doing a lot of 
heavy duty stuff.  No audio editing, no video editing, no hard powered core 
photo editing, just more the very basic stuff.


She currently has a monitor with her Dell system, but it's V G A only.  The 
minis require HDMI.  Yes, I know about the adapter that comes in the mac 
mini box to convert that HDMI, but she doesn't have a port that even would 
fit the adapter, and her monitor doesn't have HDMI either.  I thought about 
getting her maybe a Dynex, or Samsung, or Acer or some really inexpensive 
flatscreen HDMI ready television that she could hook to the mini, but I 
wonder if you all know of any good make/model with built in stereo 
speakrers.  This way, she also wouldn't have to be concerned with getting a 
set of pc speakers.  Actually, she's already got a pair, so if worst came to 
worst, we could use the ones she already has.  Also, do you all think the I5 
4GB ram model with the 500GB internal drive would suit her fine based on her 
needs listed above?  I'm thinking by far and away! it would, plus! probably 
would give her plenty! of wiggle room to learn and explore.  I bought the 
$70 CD/DVD USB superdrive with my mini, and I absolutely swear by it, so I 
may eventually down the road get her one a those as well, although it's not 
something right now she really desperetly needs.


Also, what type keyboard do you all suggest I get her if I wanna get her a 
native Apple keyboard?  I don't want her having to use a Windows PC keyboard 
on a Mac system.  Yes, I do realize it would work just fine, but I'd rather 
get her something a little nicer.  I personally have the white flat metel 
aluminum wired USB Apple keyboard with the num pad included, but I'm not 
sure if Apple is still making it.  I think I paid in the neighborhood of 
about $49.99 for the thing.  It was, so! worth it 

Re: I need some advice regarding the purchase of a new Macintosh system

2013-04-07 Thread Sarah k Alawami
I think but I'm not sure that the mini comes with an apple bt keyboard.  so you 
might be fine there. If not you can get her the apple usb full size keyboard. 
The specs look good and maybe get her a monitor from wally world on clearance. 
and maybe the magic track pad of the 1 button mouse won't work.

Take care.
On Apr 7, 2013, at 7:37 PM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:

 I know it's not May as of yet, so I have a bit still yet to financially save, 
 but I do want to be at least going ahead and doing my homework on things.
 
 I myself am a huge Apple fanatic.  By now, you all should know that.  I have 
 IPhones here, IPads, a mac mini, a Mac book, a few apple TV's, etc. Needless 
 to say, I love! Apple!  With this said, here is the situation.
 
 My mother currently has an old Dell Demention desktop Windows tower machine. 
 Hold on, before you,Gordon or Lynn chew me out saying this list isn't Windows 
 related, let me finish my comment, then you'll know why I'm mentioning the 
 Windows side of this, as believe me, this post has hardly anything! to do 
 with Windows.  I say this though so you all know what she's got currently.  
 So, it's running Windows XP SP3, I'm not sure the ram nor hard disk size.  I 
 know she bought the thing back in 2004.  I want to say a 50 or 80 gig drive, 
 roughly, I'd say around 512MB ram.  This thing's got spyware galore on it, 
 probably viruses left and right, and honestly has not been scanned nor 
 updated in probably over 2 years.  I keep telling her to do it, but that 
 leads me to why I'm writing this e-mail...
 
 She is extremely! basic when it comes to computers.  When her company made 
 her stop using a Blackberry (or as I'd call it, a Crap berry,) she went into 
 using her work IPhone 4S kicking and screaming.  Between myself and one of my 
 mom and I's best friends who's like a brother to me, and like a 2nd son to 
 her, we both worked with her, and got her to where now, she doesn't do a huge 
 amount with her phone aside texting and e-mail, and maybe using her camera a 
 fair amount etc.  I think she's used Pandora maybe once or twice, and she 
 uses Downcast almost constantly.  Point is, she's not a huge techy like I am, 
 or a lot of us are on list.
 
 She has seen my Mac computers and said they actually looked really easy to 
 use from what little she saw.  I told her compared to windows, I personally 
 had to whole heartedly agree.  To me, the mac makes way more sense.  It just 
 seems to be way better laid out, and for beginners, seems to be extremely 
 intuitive.  With this said, her birthday is May the 6th.  I'm going to be 
 getting her a Mac Mini with Mountain Lion, as frankly, she really! does need 
 a new computer.  And, she's really starting to get more into the Apple line 
 of things.  She's got an Apple TV 2nd generation, and watches Hulu Plus all 
 the time! on the thing, plus her Netflix.  She's in heaven with the thing! 
 That was her BD gift last year.  Also, her sister gave her an IPad 1st 
 generation which she swears by.  So, I come to you all, for advice.  She 
 probably wont' do much more than browsing the web in Safari, or maybe in 
 Chrome/Firefox, she may do some basic and I do, mean, very! very! basic photo 
 viewing/editi
 ng, like cropping or resizing in Preview/IPhoto.  (She's sighted.)  She'll 
probably check E-mail a fair amount with the Mail application, and probably 
would want to do some stuff with Itunes, and she'll probably wind up using 
IWorks.  Also she may use the native DVD player app a bit to watch movies.  
She's not going to be doing a lot of heavy duty stuff.  No audio editing, no 
video editing, no hard powered core photo editing, just more the very basic 
stuff.
 
 She currently has a monitor with her Dell system, but it's V G A only.  The 
 minis require HDMI.  Yes, I know about the adapter that comes in the mac mini 
 box to convert that HDMI, but she doesn't have a port that even would fit the 
 adapter, and her monitor doesn't have HDMI either.  I thought about getting 
 her maybe a Dynex, or Samsung, or Acer or some really inexpensive flatscreen 
 HDMI ready television that she could hook to the mini, but I wonder if you 
 all know of any good make/model with built in stereo speakrers.  This way, 
 she also wouldn't have to be concerned with getting a set of pc speakers.  
 Actually, she's already got a pair, so if worst came to worst, we could use 
 the ones she already has.  Also, do you all think the I5 4GB ram model with 
 the 500GB internal drive would suit her fine based on her needs listed above? 
  I'm thinking by far and away! it would, plus! probably would give her 
 plenty! of wiggle room to learn and explore.  I bought the $70 CD/DVD USB sup
 erdrive with my mini, and I absolutely swear by it, so I may eventually down 
the road get her one a those as well, although it's not something right now she 
really desperetly needs.
 
 Also, what type keyboard do you all suggest I get her if I 

Re: Looking to buy a mac

2013-04-07 Thread Sarah k Alawami
Thanks I'll have to look in to that.  as well should I need a new machine as 
this now will die in about a year or two.
On Apr 7, 2013, at 6:28 PM, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote:

 Mac aren't like windows pcs, there is no buying parts, andhaving someone put 
 them together.  What you buy from apple is all there is.  There'sveral places 
 you can purchase used/older macs, my favorite is powermax.com.  They even 
 have some of the old minimacs that are ppc based.  Good thing? They're less 
 than 200 bucks.
 Of course, they have brand-new machines too, so give them a shot.  See if 
 they have something you can use.  As far as putting windows on it, you'd use 
 boot camp for that, and as long as you have an intel mac (all but the oldest 
 macs are) then you're all set.  Anythiprior to 2006 or 2007 (I forget which) 
 are not intel, anything newer than that is all intel, so you won't have
 issues.
 hth.
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Re: How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Esther
Hi Eric,

Thanks for reporting back.  I think the shortcuts listed on the Safari 
preference pane for tabs did work more reliably in earlier versions of Safari, 
and there was at least one web page that I found where using a control+mouse 
click on a link -- not just a mouse click alone -- worked to bring up the 
context menu.  (With mouse keys turned on, I held down the Control key and then 
tapped the i key.  I did not have NumPad Commander enabled on a laptop with 
the third-party  KeyRemap4MacBook software loaded.)

The substitution of enter for click in the listed shortcuts works for the same 
reason that using Option+Enter works for VoiceOver users to force downloads of 
linked files, while general Mac users will know this as using the Option+Click 
shortcut to force downloads of files.  This may also explain the situations 
where usage with VoiceOver gets flakey.  By the way,  I'll continue to describe 
this as Option+Enter, but a Mac purist would say this is Option+Return.  
There's a different keyboard code for the Enter key than for the Return 
key, and the Enter key can be used to rename files in Finder, but it cannot 
be used to exit dialog windows by sending the default selections, as the 
Return key does, both on the Mac, and on the virtual keyboard of iOS devices. 
 

If VoiceOver is not turned on, but the mouse cursor is positioned at a link, 
pressing the Option key while clicking with either mouse of Trackpad indicates 
the selected file that is clicked on should be downloaded.  But if VoiceOver is 
turned on, we are using full keyboard access, and this means that in addition 
to the standard shortcut keys, Space bar selects a highlighted button and 
Return opens a highlighted link.  When the VoiceOver cursor moves to the 
link, it highlights it in the same way that clicking on the link indicates 
selection (along with a command to open the link). So when we use Option+Enter 
(really Return), with VoiceOver on (and focused on the link), and hence with 
full keyboard access enabled, we perform the same selection and activation with 
the Option key modifier as sighted users do with Option+Click.  Here's another 
way to tell that highlighting the selection (done with VoiceOver focused on the 
link) plus pressing Option+Enter works to force a dow
 nload: whether or not someone is using VoiceOver. If you started playing an 
mp3 file associated with a link in your browser, because you clicked on the 
link, you can force the file to download without going back to the link by 
pressing Command+L, which moves to the address bar and highlights the URL, and 
then pressing Option+Enter (really Return).  That works whether or not 
someone is using VoiceOver.

Now lets look at the cases where people have had problems highlighting a link 
and forcing a download with Option+Enter.  The most common case people reported 
of not simply being able to move to the link, route their mouse cursor to the 
VoiceOver cursor, and press Option+Enter to download, was on the podcast links 
of the main Blind Cool Tech podcast page.  Unless you first interact with that 
link, which also gets announced as a heading, you could not use Option+Enter to 
download the podcast.  Also, another thing that did not work unless your first 
interacted with the link to the podcast on the BCT podcast page was getting the 
context menu options to open the linked content in a new page or download it 
when you used VO-Shift-M.

I think what may happen in problem cases where these Option+Enter (equivalent 
to Option-click) and Command+Option+Shift+Enter (equivalent to 
command+option+shift+click) shortcuts do not work, is that the HTML coding for 
the link on the page is not letting VoiceOver automatically highlight the 
necessary information for the link within the VoiceOver cursor.

This reminds me a bit of the navigation experience in the old MobileMe web 
pages, where, like your arrowing away from and then back on to a link in order 
to use the Shift-Command-Option-Enter shortcut, some of what I could do 
depended on how I navigated to the web page elements.

This is just conjecture, but it does explain why, if other web page elements 
are present, you might find using the shortcuts apparently unreliable.  
Command-Option-Enter should have opened the link in a new window, while 
Shift-Command-Option-Enter should have opened the link in a new window and made 
it the active window. (I think Sarah must have the box in Safari preferences 
for tabs, for When a new tab or window opens, make it active.)

Josh asked, in another post, how one changed the settings on the Safari 
Preferences window for tabs.  I'm not sure if this is what he means, but 
basically, you can set your preferences to open new web pages in either a new 
tab of your browser, or a new window.  The current default setting for Safari 
is to open new web pages in a new tab.  Some versions back, the default used to 
be to open new web pages in a new window.  You make your 

Re: I need some advice regarding the purchase of a new Macintoshsystem

2013-04-07 Thread Chris Gilland
Sarah, you are mistaking on thinking the mini comes with a Bluetooth 
keyboard.  You're thinking of the IMac.  I know this based on both my 
internet research, and the fact that I bought a brand new mini for myself 
last February, as stated in my initial e-mail, and it didn't have any sort 
of thing with it.  All you get is the mini itself, the power cord, the 
adapter, and a getting started pamphlet, and maybe the paperwork for the 
extended Apple care, if you get that, which I've not as of yet.  I need to 
though.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: I need some advice regarding the purchase of a new 
Macintoshsystem



I think but I'm not sure that the mini comes with an apple bt keyboard.  so 
you might be fine there. If not you can get her the apple usb full size 
keyboard. The specs look good and maybe get her a monitor from wally world 
on clearance. and maybe the magic track pad of the 1 button mouse won't 
work.


Take care.
On Apr 7, 2013, at 7:37 PM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com 
wrote:


I know it's not May as of yet, so I have a bit still yet to financially 
save, but I do want to be at least going ahead and doing my homework on 
things.


I myself am a huge Apple fanatic.  By now, you all should know that.  I 
have IPhones here, IPads, a mac mini, a Mac book, a few apple TV's, etc. 
Needless to say, I love! Apple!  With this said, here is the situation.


My mother currently has an old Dell Demention desktop Windows tower 
machine. Hold on, before you,Gordon or Lynn chew me out saying this list 
isn't Windows related, let me finish my comment, then you'll know why I'm 
mentioning the Windows side of this, as believe me, this post has hardly 
anything! to do with Windows.  I say this though so you all know what 
she's got currently.  So, it's running Windows XP SP3, I'm not sure the 
ram nor hard disk size.  I know she bought the thing back in 2004.  I 
want to say a 50 or 80 gig drive, roughly, I'd say around 512MB ram. 
This thing's got spyware galore on it, probably viruses left and right, 
and honestly has not been scanned nor updated in probably over 2 years. 
I keep telling her to do it, but that leads me to why I'm writing this 
e-mail...


She is extremely! basic when it comes to computers.  When her company 
made her stop using a Blackberry (or as I'd call it, a Crap berry,) she 
went into using her work IPhone 4S kicking and screaming.  Between myself 
and one of my mom and I's best friends who's like a brother to me, and 
like a 2nd son to her, we both worked with her, and got her to where now, 
she doesn't do a huge amount with her phone aside texting and e-mail, and 
maybe using her camera a fair amount etc.  I think she's used Pandora 
maybe once or twice, and she uses Downcast almost constantly.  Point is, 
she's not a huge techy like I am, or a lot of us are on list.


She has seen my Mac computers and said they actually looked really easy 
to use from what little she saw.  I told her compared to windows, I 
personally had to whole heartedly agree.  To me, the mac makes way more 
sense.  It just seems to be way better laid out, and for beginners, seems 
to be extremely intuitive.  With this said, her birthday is May the 6th. 
I'm going to be getting her a Mac Mini with Mountain Lion, as frankly, 
she really! does need a new computer.  And, she's really starting to get 
more into the Apple line of things.  She's got an Apple TV 2nd 
generation, and watches Hulu Plus all the time! on the thing, plus her 
Netflix.  She's in heaven with the thing! That was her BD gift last year. 
Also, her sister gave her an IPad 1st generation which she swears by. 
So, I come to you all, for advice.  She probably wont' do much more than 
browsing the web in Safari, or maybe in Chrome/Firefox, she may do some 
basic and I do, mean, very! very! basic photo viewing/editi
ng, like cropping or resizing in Preview/IPhoto.  (She's sighted.)  She'll 
probably check E-mail a fair amount with the Mail application, and 
probably would want to do some stuff with Itunes, and she'll probably wind 
up using IWorks.  Also she may use the native DVD player app a bit to 
watch movies.  She's not going to be doing a lot of heavy duty stuff.  No 
audio editing, no video editing, no hard powered core photo editing, just 
more the very basic stuff.


She currently has a monitor with her Dell system, but it's V G A only. 
The minis require HDMI.  Yes, I know about the adapter that comes in the 
mac mini box to convert that HDMI, but she doesn't have a port that even 
would fit the adapter, and her monitor doesn't have HDMI either.  I 
thought about getting her maybe a Dynex, or Samsung, or Acer or some 
really inexpensive flatscreen HDMI ready television that she could hook 
to the mini, but I wonder if you all know of any good make/model with 
built in 

Re: Looking to buy a mac

2013-04-07 Thread Chris Gilland
Hush!  Don't give your poor machine any ideas.  the last thing we need's for 
it to hear you and croke.  LOL!


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com

To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: Looking to buy a mac


Thanks I'll have to look in to that.  as well should I need a new machine 
as this now will die in about a year or two.

On Apr 7, 2013, at 6:28 PM, Travis Siegel tsie...@softcon.com wrote:

Mac aren't like windows pcs, there is no buying parts, andhaving someone 
put them together.  What you buy from apple is all there is. 
There'sveral places you can purchase used/older macs, my favorite is 
powermax.com.  They even have some of the old minimacs that are ppc 
based.  Good thing? They're less than 200 bucks.
Of course, they have brand-new machines too, so give them a shot.  See if 
they have something you can use.  As far as putting windows on it, you'd 
use boot camp for that, and as long as you have an intel mac (all but the 
oldest macs are) then you're all set.  Anythiprior to 2006 or 2007 (I 
forget which) are not intel, anything newer than that is all intel, so 
you won't haveissues.

hth.
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odd things happening with mail

2013-04-07 Thread Sarah Alawami
Ok. this is going to be an odd one. I for some reason today have been having 
mail go out through my university account even though it's disabled under my 
mail prefs both for sending and receiving mail. I removed that account and all 
seems well now, I hope, how ever once I add that account I dunno how to solve 
this one. I googled but all I got was a forum post on apple's support community 
bashing apple. lol! Not what I wanted to read.  Anyways if this gets through 
the list can someone please to the 4th power tell me how to fix this? I don't 
want to miss anything from my university and I want to have things back to the 
way they were yesterday when this did not happen wherein I could enable the 
account, send a message, disable the account and have the messages and inbox 
and sent for that matter go die.  and I would be able to send from my default 
account, period! I don't want to get in to any trouble by my university so I'm 
trying to clear this up as quickly as I can.

Thanks all and be blessed. and I hope this goes through.
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Re: How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Michael Marshall
hey all,
i did command option shift enter to open a link in a new window it worked like 
a charm.
thanks for that shortcut.
Michael
On 08/04/2013, at 1:49 PM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Hi Eric,
 
 Thanks for reporting back.  I think the shortcuts listed on the Safari 
 preference pane for tabs did work more reliably in earlier versions of 
 Safari, and there was at least one web page that I found where using a 
 control+mouse click on a link -- not just a mouse click alone -- worked to 
 bring up the context menu.  (With mouse keys turned on, I held down the 
 Control key and then tapped the i key.  I did not have NumPad Commander 
 enabled on a laptop with the third-party  KeyRemap4MacBook software loaded.)
 
 The substitution of enter for click in the listed shortcuts works for the 
 same reason that using Option+Enter works for VoiceOver users to force 
 downloads of linked files, while general Mac users will know this as using 
 the Option+Click shortcut to force downloads of files.  This may also explain 
 the situations where usage with VoiceOver gets flakey.  By the way,  I'll 
 continue to describe this as Option+Enter, but a Mac purist would say this 
 is Option+Return.  There's a different keyboard code for the Enter key 
 than for the Return key, and the Enter key can be used to rename files in 
 Finder, but it cannot be used to exit dialog windows by sending the default 
 selections, as the Return key does, both on the Mac, and on the virtual 
 keyboard of iOS devices.  
 
 If VoiceOver is not turned on, but the mouse cursor is positioned at a link, 
 pressing the Option key while clicking with either mouse of Trackpad 
 indicates the selected file that is clicked on should be downloaded.  But if 
 VoiceOver is turned on, we are using full keyboard access, and this means 
 that in addition to the standard shortcut keys, Space bar selects a 
 highlighted button and Return opens a highlighted link.  When the VoiceOver 
 cursor moves to the link, it highlights it in the same way that clicking on 
 the link indicates selection (along with a command to open the link). So when 
 we use Option+Enter (really Return), with VoiceOver on (and focused on the 
 link), and hence with full keyboard access enabled, we perform the same 
 selection and activation with the Option key modifier as sighted users do 
 with Option+Click.  Here's another way to tell that highlighting the 
 selection (done with VoiceOver focused on the link) plus pressing 
 Option+Enter works to force a d
 ow
 nload: whether or not someone is using VoiceOver. If you started playing an 
 mp3 file associated with a link in your browser, because you clicked on the 
 link, you can force the file to download without going back to the link by 
 pressing Command+L, which moves to the address bar and highlights the URL, 
 and then pressing Option+Enter (really Return).  That works whether or not 
 someone is using VoiceOver.
 
 Now lets look at the cases where people have had problems highlighting a link 
 and forcing a download with Option+Enter.  The most common case people 
 reported of not simply being able to move to the link, route their mouse 
 cursor to the VoiceOver cursor, and press Option+Enter to download, was on 
 the podcast links of the main Blind Cool Tech podcast page.  Unless you first 
 interact with that link, which also gets announced as a heading, you could 
 not use Option+Enter to download the podcast.  Also, another thing that did 
 not work unless your first interacted with the link to the podcast on the BCT 
 podcast page was getting the context menu options to open the linked content 
 in a new page or download it when you used VO-Shift-M.
 
 I think what may happen in problem cases where these Option+Enter (equivalent 
 to Option-click) and Command+Option+Shift+Enter (equivalent to 
 command+option+shift+click) shortcuts do not work, is that the HTML coding 
 for the link on the page is not letting VoiceOver automatically highlight the 
 necessary information for the link within the VoiceOver cursor.
 
 This reminds me a bit of the navigation experience in the old MobileMe web 
 pages, where, like your arrowing away from and then back on to a link in 
 order to use the Shift-Command-Option-Enter shortcut, some of what I could do 
 depended on how I navigated to the web page elements.
 
 This is just conjecture, but it does explain why, if other web page elements 
 are present, you might find using the shortcuts apparently unreliable.  
 Command-Option-Enter should have opened the link in a new window, while 
 Shift-Command-Option-Enter should have opened the link in a new window and 
 made it the active window. (I think Sarah must have the box in Safari 
 preferences for tabs, for When a new tab or window opens, make it active.)
 
 Josh asked, in another post, how one changed the settings on the Safari 
 Preferences window for tabs.  I'm not sure if this is what he means, but 
 basically, you can set 

Re: How to Open link in new window?

2013-04-07 Thread Sarah Alawami
Yeh I have mine set to never. but even on google's pages  I have to vo left and 
 right  or away from and back to the link to open it in a new window and have 
the key strokes talked about work. It's annoying, but it works.

Take care.
On Apr 7, 2013, at 8:49 PM, Esther mori...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Hi Eric,
 
 Thanks for reporting back.  I think the shortcuts listed on the Safari 
 preference pane for tabs did work more reliably in earlier versions of 
 Safari, and there was at least one web page that I found where using a 
 control+mouse click on a link -- not just a mouse click alone -- worked to 
 bring up the context menu.  (With mouse keys turned on, I held down the 
 Control key and then tapped the i key.  I did not have NumPad Commander 
 enabled on a laptop with the third-party  KeyRemap4MacBook software loaded.)
 
 The substitution of enter for click in the listed shortcuts works for the 
 same reason that using Option+Enter works for VoiceOver users to force 
 downloads of linked files, while general Mac users will know this as using 
 the Option+Click shortcut to force downloads of files.  This may also explain 
 the situations where usage with VoiceOver gets flakey.  By the way,  I'll 
 continue to describe this as Option+Enter, but a Mac purist would say this 
 is Option+Return.  There's a different keyboard code for the Enter key 
 than for the Return key, and the Enter key can be used to rename files in 
 Finder, but it cannot be used to exit dialog windows by sending the default 
 selections, as the Return key does, both on the Mac, and on the virtual 
 keyboard of iOS devices.  
 
 If VoiceOver is not turned on, but the mouse cursor is positioned at a link, 
 pressing the Option key while clicking with either mouse of Trackpad 
 indicates the selected file that is clicked on should be downloaded.  But if 
 VoiceOver is turned on, we are using full keyboard access, and this means 
 that in addition to the standard shortcut keys, Space bar selects a 
 highlighted button and Return opens a highlighted link.  When the VoiceOver 
 cursor moves to the link, it highlights it in the same way that clicking on 
 the link indicates selection (along with a command to open the link). So when 
 we use Option+Enter (really Return), with VoiceOver on (and focused on the 
 link), and hence with full keyboard access enabled, we perform the same 
 selection and activation with the Option key modifier as sighted users do 
 with Option+Click.  Here's another way to tell that highlighting the 
 selection (done with VoiceOver focused on the link) plus pressing 
 Option+Enter works to force a d
 ow
 nload: whether or not someone is using VoiceOver. If you started playing an 
 mp3 file associated with a link in your browser, because you clicked on the 
 link, you can force the file to download without going back to the link by 
 pressing Command+L, which moves to the address bar and highlights the URL, 
 and then pressing Option+Enter (really Return).  That works whether or not 
 someone is using VoiceOver.
 
 Now lets look at the cases where people have had problems highlighting a link 
 and forcing a download with Option+Enter.  The most common case people 
 reported of not simply being able to move to the link, route their mouse 
 cursor to the VoiceOver cursor, and press Option+Enter to download, was on 
 the podcast links of the main Blind Cool Tech podcast page.  Unless you first 
 interact with that link, which also gets announced as a heading, you could 
 not use Option+Enter to download the podcast.  Also, another thing that did 
 not work unless your first interacted with the link to the podcast on the BCT 
 podcast page was getting the context menu options to open the linked content 
 in a new page or download it when you used VO-Shift-M.
 
 I think what may happen in problem cases where these Option+Enter (equivalent 
 to Option-click) and Command+Option+Shift+Enter (equivalent to 
 command+option+shift+click) shortcuts do not work, is that the HTML coding 
 for the link on the page is not letting VoiceOver automatically highlight the 
 necessary information for the link within the VoiceOver cursor.
 
 This reminds me a bit of the navigation experience in the old MobileMe web 
 pages, where, like your arrowing away from and then back on to a link in 
 order to use the Shift-Command-Option-Enter shortcut, some of what I could do 
 depended on how I navigated to the web page elements.
 
 This is just conjecture, but it does explain why, if other web page elements 
 are present, you might find using the shortcuts apparently unreliable.  
 Command-Option-Enter should have opened the link in a new window, while 
 Shift-Command-Option-Enter should have opened the link in a new window and 
 made it the active window. (I think Sarah must have the box in Safari 
 preferences for tabs, for When a new tab or window opens, make it active.)
 
 Josh asked, in another post, how one changed the settings on the 

Re: I need some advice regarding the purchase of a new Macintoshsystem

2013-04-07 Thread Sarah Alawami
Oops? Hmm my friend's mini came with a keyboard, or maybe he bought it. Oops? 
Well, Ok. there's my thousandth mistake for the day. lol. JK.

but seriously if ou want to have a full keyboard try the usb keyboard for your 
mom as she might be used to that kind of lay out.

Good luck. and if anyone else has any advice feel free to chime in. All I use 
is a laptop.

S
On Apr 7, 2013, at 8:50 PM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:

 Sarah, you are mistaking on thinking the mini comes with a Bluetooth 
 keyboard.  You're thinking of the IMac.  I know this based on both my 
 internet research, and the fact that I bought a brand new mini for myself 
 last February, as stated in my initial e-mail, and it didn't have any sort of 
 thing with it.  All you get is the mini itself, the power cord, the adapter, 
 and a getting started pamphlet, and maybe the paperwork for the extended 
 Apple care, if you get that, which I've not as of yet.  I need to though.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 11:43 PM
 Subject: Re: I need some advice regarding the purchase of a new 
 Macintoshsystem
 
 
 I think but I'm not sure that the mini comes with an apple bt keyboard.  so 
 you might be fine there. If not you can get her the apple usb full size 
 keyboard. The specs look good and maybe get her a monitor from wally world 
 on clearance. and maybe the magic track pad of the 1 button mouse won't work.
 
 Take care.
 On Apr 7, 2013, at 7:37 PM, Chris Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote:
 
 I know it's not May as of yet, so I have a bit still yet to financially 
 save, but I do want to be at least going ahead and doing my homework on 
 things.
 
 I myself am a huge Apple fanatic.  By now, you all should know that.  I 
 have IPhones here, IPads, a mac mini, a Mac book, a few apple TV's, etc. 
 Needless to say, I love! Apple!  With this said, here is the situation.
 
 My mother currently has an old Dell Demention desktop Windows tower 
 machine. Hold on, before you,Gordon or Lynn chew me out saying this list 
 isn't Windows related, let me finish my comment, then you'll know why I'm 
 mentioning the Windows side of this, as believe me, this post has hardly 
 anything! to do with Windows.  I say this though so you all know what she's 
 got currently.  So, it's running Windows XP SP3, I'm not sure the ram nor 
 hard disk size.  I know she bought the thing back in 2004.  I want to say a 
 50 or 80 gig drive, roughly, I'd say around 512MB ram. This thing's got 
 spyware galore on it, probably viruses left and right, and honestly has not 
 been scanned nor updated in probably over 2 years. I keep telling her to do 
 it, but that leads me to why I'm writing this e-mail...
 
 She is extremely! basic when it comes to computers.  When her company made 
 her stop using a Blackberry (or as I'd call it, a Crap berry,) she went 
 into using her work IPhone 4S kicking and screaming.  Between myself and 
 one of my mom and I's best friends who's like a brother to me, and like a 
 2nd son to her, we both worked with her, and got her to where now, she 
 doesn't do a huge amount with her phone aside texting and e-mail, and maybe 
 using her camera a fair amount etc.  I think she's used Pandora maybe once 
 or twice, and she uses Downcast almost constantly.  Point is, she's not a 
 huge techy like I am, or a lot of us are on list.
 
 She has seen my Mac computers and said they actually looked really easy to 
 use from what little she saw.  I told her compared to windows, I personally 
 had to whole heartedly agree.  To me, the mac makes way more sense.  It 
 just seems to be way better laid out, and for beginners, seems to be 
 extremely intuitive.  With this said, her birthday is May the 6th. I'm 
 going to be getting her a Mac Mini with Mountain Lion, as frankly, she 
 really! does need a new computer.  And, she's really starting to get more 
 into the Apple line of things.  She's got an Apple TV 2nd generation, and 
 watches Hulu Plus all the time! on the thing, plus her Netflix.  She's in 
 heaven with the thing! That was her BD gift last year. Also, her sister 
 gave her an IPad 1st generation which she swears by. So, I come to you all, 
 for advice.  She probably wont' do much more than browsing the web in 
 Safari, or maybe in Chrome/Firefox, she may do some basic and I do, mean, 
 very! very! basic photo viewing/editi
 ng, like cropping or resizing in Preview/IPhoto.  (She's sighted.)  She'll 
 probably check E-mail a fair amount with the Mail application, and probably 
 would want to do some stuff with Itunes, and she'll probably wind up using 
 IWorks.  Also she may use the native DVD player app a bit to watch movies.  
 She's not going to be doing a lot of heavy duty stuff.  No audio editing, no 
 video editing, no hard powered core photo editing, just more the very basic 
 stuff.
 
 She