Fwd: [M-A] Solution for downloading MP3s from Amazon...

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Re: Need Recommendation: Office,, Calendar, and Virtual Machine

[Chris Blouch]

Vmware or VirtualBox would be your best choices as Parallels is not 
accessible. VMWare seems to be the favorite while VirtualBox has a 
command-line interface that lets you navigate any winky things that 
aren't going well in the GUI. For the least hassle it seems VMWare is 
the winner and is what you'll find the most discussion of on this list. 
I don't recall anyone recently asking about VirtualBox although I know 
some folks like it, especially the price.


I'm still not satisfied with office-type apps on the Mac since the 
800-pound gorilla of MS Office refuses to hook into voiceover. Buried in 
the MS Office Mac VPAT


http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/2/3/c23bc250-5f80-4d0c-a29d-877355ff91e8/OfficeX_for_Mac_VPAT.doc

are these nice little caveats

Criteria:
(a) At least one mode of operation and information retrieval that does 
not require user vision shall be provided, or support for Assistive 
Technology used by people who are blind or visually impaired shall be 
provided.

*Unsupported*
Microsoft Office v. X for Mac does not support 3^rd party assistive 
screen readers.


(d) Sufficient information about a user interface element including the 
identity, operation and state of the element shall be available to 
Assistive Technology. When an image represents a program element, the 
information conveyed by the image must also be available in text.


*Not supported*

Microsoft Office v. X for Mac does not meet these criteria.Microsoft 
Office v. X for Mac does not support assistive screen-readers.


(c) A well-defined on-screen indication of the current focus shall be 
provided that moves among interactive interface elements as the input 
focus changes. The focus shall be programmatically exposed so that 
Assistive Technology can track focus and focus changes.


*Not supported*

Microsoft Office v. X for Mac does not support 3^rd party assistive 
technology.


OpenOffice or iWorks are pretty much the main alternatives but are 
imperfect in a number of ways, but generally not enough to warrant 
running a VM and Windows and Jaws/NVDA.


While I don't use it, many people seem to like the iCal app that comes 
with OSX. This article details getting iCal, Oracle Cal, Google Cal and 
your iPhone calendar all to sync. I'm sure a little googling would turn 
up more:


http://blog.zenone.org/2009/02/sync-oracle-calendar-to-google-calendar.html

CB

On 8/18/11 9:00 PM, James Lee wrote:

Hi all,

What's the best program to use with VoiceOver: Fusion, Virtual Box, or 
Parallel? I'd like to run Windows 7 with Jaws on a virtual machine.
Also, what's the best way to work with excel, word, and Powerpoint 
files on Mac? I'd need to collaborate with other people who use MS 
Office on Mac. I heard MS Office is not accessible Mac. Should I use 
Pages, Numbers, and Keynote on OSX, or should I use MS Office on 
Windows Virtual Machine? I need to use more advanced features on 
Office like using headings, tables, style, and so on.
Also, is there any accessible oracle calendar client on Mac? I'd like 
to stay in Mac as much as possible.

Thanks for all your help!

JL



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Re: google chrome

[Shen]

Hi,
The problem with edit boxes is that VoiceOver does not read what you typed. 
Basically, text is being typed into the box. VoiceOver just doesn't read it.
For example, google.com. If you type something in the search field, you cannot 
back space or arrows. But if you VO away then back, you will hear it.
Then there is amazon.com. No matter what you do, you will not be able to get 
VoiceOver to tell you what you typed in the search field. But the text is there 
and pressing vo-space on the Go button will not work, you need to press enter 
in the text field.
Complicated? Yes. Need improvement? Definitely.

On Aug 18, 2011, at 5:38 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:

> Hi Chad!
> I've found on some text fields that I have to do a mouse click and then you 
> can type!
> So I make sure the mouse is there with vo+command+f5 then mouse click 
> vo+shift+space!
> But still sometimes although vo says nothing the text is going in!
> And I just left arrow once and back and the text is then red, so this might 
> work for you!
> If not back to the drawing board! :]
> Colin
> 
> On 18 Aug 2011, at 08:45, chad baker wrote:
> 
>> hi just downloaded chrome and can't type in edit fields
>> when i type vo don't speak and nothing gets typed
>> any suggestions
>> thanks
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Re: first-time user: a bunch of basic questions

[Mike Arrigo]

Based on your questions, I do think you're comparing voiceover and the mac to 
windows too much, and this may cause you problems. While there are some 
similarities, the mac has its own way of doing things. For instance, on the 
web, you mainly move element by element, it doesn't navigate line by line the 
way windows screen readers do. You can still read an entire page by pressing 
control option a. The main place you find shortcut keys are in menus. They 
usually don't appear in dialog boxes. The more you use it, the easier it should 
become for you.
On Aug 18, 2011, at 9:10 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Hello all,
> I was on here a few months ago asking some basic questions about vo.
> Now, I am proud to say, I have a Mac Mini sitting on the desk all
> shiny and new from Best Buy as of two nights ago.  I can get around
> the basics, like system or vo settings, and I can do things like
> checking for updates, but beyond that I am stuck.  Here, in no
> particular order, is my list of questions.  Rest assured, more will be
> coming!
> 
> 1.  It seems that dialogs have access keys (on Windows, one might
> press alt-a to activate the "add" button, for instance), since I found
> that pressing s within the shutdown dialog will make the computer
> sleep.  However, vo will not read these keys, if they exist at all, so
> I never know what letter will activate a button.  I have found the
> option to use cmd+letter to move to elements starting with that
> letter, but that is not the same thing since developers can assign any
> letter to be the access key.
> 
> 2.  I have trouble with html content (web pages, the App Store, and so
> on).  I can get around by arrowing from one element to another or by
> using the rotor, but I cannot figure out the following:
> a.  I have enabled single-key navigation on webpages, but nothing
> wraps.  For instance, if I am below a search edit which is the page's
> only input field and I press f, I am told "text field not found"
> instead of being taken to the field above me (at the top of the page).
> b.  How can I just read the page? With jaws on Windows, I can arrow up
> and down on the page to read it like a document, which is great if I
> don't know what the page looks like or do not have a destination in
> mind.  Arrowing in vo, though, seems impossible.  Am I to read pages
> element by element only? If I go to a heading which is, say, an
> article title, how can I just arrow down to see what the article is,
> instead of reading the page from my current position? This is useful
> if there is a by line, a social network sharing frame, or other
> content after the heading but before the article.
> 
> 3.  How do I use the Finder? I have no idea what it is doing, and only
> found a file I was looking for by accident.  Should I use Spotlight
> instead? What is the difference? Is there a third-party file and
> folder manager that people recommend?
> 
> 4.  From what I can gather, the left-hand menu is kind of like the
> system tray in Windows, with network information, sound, bluetooth,
> and the like.  How do I access it?
> 
> 5.  When the mac starts, vo does not.  I have to hit cmd-f5 to run it
> each time, and I am not sure how long to wait (I think I could wait a
> lot less time than I am).  How can I fix this? I am running a usb
> keyboard, no mouse, and no monitor at the moment.
> 
> 6.  Can vo announce the time and date like most other screen readers?
> This is not a big deal to me, but it would be nice sometimes.  I have
> enabled the keyboard commander, but the speech used is not my vo
> speech, but rather the system speech, and there is quite a delay
> between the keypress and the speaking.
> 
> 7.  Why is it that, when I go into the launcher and try to open my
> downloads folder, nothing happens? It should have two files in it, so
> I know it is not empty.  I am pressing enter, space, vo-space, the up
> and down arrows (quick nav is on), but nothing happens.
> 
> 8.  Nothing ever goes onto the desktop.  I am not sure how to use it
> or what good it is, since everything goes to the dock/launcher.  I was
> listening to a podcast last night, and the host had somehow set things
> up so that his desktop had his home folder opened on it.  How do I
> manage my desktop, and how is it different from the dock?
> 
> 9.  Safari: aside from the html questions, how do I do things like
> view bookmarks, sort bookmarks into folders, view open tabs, switch
> between tabs, and so on? Will vo work with Firefox? Might I be better
> off using that over Safari?
> 
> 10.  How do I get to things I download so I can open them? I have so
> far downloaded two programs, but I am not sure how to run either one
> of them.  I think I ran one, but I'm not sure, and now I can't get the
> other to work at all.
> 
> 11.  Is there a way to read daisy, for free, using Alex? I know
> Bookshare has a program, but I don't want the voices it comes with, I
> just want to use Alex to read bookshare and other content.
> 
>

Re: Carbon copy versus time machine

[Mike Arrigo]

You could make another backup to an image file and store that some place, 
though you're probably fine with keeping 1 backup around. The difference 
between the mac and windows is, should you need to restore your system with a 
mac, you can do it totally without sighted help. There was never a way to do 
that with windows that I know of.
On Aug 17, 2011, at 10:01 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:

> Thanks, Mike. That's what I was thinking as well. Of course, you can schedule 
> carbon copy to backup daily, I suppose. I haven't looked at its scheduling 
> options as of yet.
> When I was using windows, I used to backup using image for windows weekly, 
> but not much more than that. Occasionally, I would do a backup before 
> installing some piece of software which I thought might mess up my computer; 
> but mostly backed up each saturday.
> The only thing I miss, and I'm not sure carbon copy can do this, is that I 
> used to keep at least one backup from the previous week; so I always had two; 
> the one from the previous week and the one from the current week.
> I know they have that archiving thing, but I'm not exactly sure how that 
> works. It doesn't sound like it allows for keeping two backups then allowing 
> you to pick which one to restore from.
> 
> On Aug 17, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Mike  wrote:
> 
>> I use carbon copy cloner also. About the only advantage time machine might 
>> give you is hourly backups of your files that have changed, this might be 
>> useful if you make frequent changes to documents or something similar. 
>> Otherwise, there is probably no need to use them both.
>> On Aug 17, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, guys. I'm currently running Carbon copy as well as time machine. But 
>>> I'm wondering why I'm doing that. 
>>> Does it make any sense to run both since carbon copy will create a bootable 
>>> disk and can also be scheduled just like time machine?
>>> It appears it's easier to do a restore with carbon copy; so is time machine 
>>> really necessary if you have another backup solution?
>>> Thanks.
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Logitech usb multy function sterrio headsets

[Johnny Angel!]

Hi all,

I have been using a small mono bluetooth earpiece and i do like it.  Someday I 
would like to invest in a stereo et.  But I found this Logitech headset and mic 
I had from when I took an online class.  Is there a way to use this headset?  I 
tried hooking it up with my MBP, but I kept getting a bluetooth error even 
though my bluetooth earpiece is shut off.  Any ideas?

Johnny
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Need Recommendation: Office,, Calendar, and Virtual Machine

[James Lee]

Hi all,

What's the best program to use with VoiceOver: Fusion, Virtual Box, or 
Parallel? I'd like to run Windows 7 with Jaws on a virtual machine.
Also, what's the best way to work with excel, word, and Powerpoint files 
on Mac? I'd need to collaborate with other people who use MS Office on 
Mac. I heard MS Office is not accessible Mac. Should I use Pages, 
Numbers, and Keynote on OSX, or should I use MS Office on Windows 
Virtual Machine? I need to use more advanced features on Office like 
using headings, tables, style, and so on.
Also, is there any accessible oracle calendar client on Mac? I'd like to 
stay in Mac as much as possible.

Thanks for all your help!

JL

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Re: speaking of keyboards and the macbook pro...

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Actually, it really doesn't matter which order you do it in.  I would usually 
do the latter though as I'd let the MBP start up with its own stuff then attach 
the USB device after the fact.  As a matter of interest, they'll both work at 
the same time also, so, you could pretend you were playing the organ and have 
one hand on each.

Good luck.

Later…

On 2011-08-17, at 11:13 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> When is best to do this?
> I have a full sized apple keyboard tusb, that I am going to attach to the 
> macbookpro I have on borrow, in order to see if I can work with greater ease. 
>  My hands are simply too small for vo commands that are on the same side of 
> the keyboard, and I have already decided when I do get my own machine, it is 
> real in person training for me to be sure!
> so, should I connect the full size keyboard before I turn on the macbook, or 
> wait until everything is fully loaded before I connect?
> I think the former, but want to be sure since I am not used to what 
> constitutes a flawless boot with the macbook pro.
> Thanks,
> Karen
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nfl on line is accessible on pulsar

[Mary Otten]

In case there are folks on here who want to listen to the NFL on sirius/xm on 
line, I'm happy to say that the games are available via accessible application 
Pulsar from rogueamoeba software.

Mary

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help with Apple Mail

[Alex Hall]

Hello again all,
I have gotten my gMail account working (via imap) in Apple mail.  
I stumbled across the cmd-1 for inbox, 2 for sent, and 3 for 
notes by accident.  I can view messages well enough, but I have a 
few questions (shocking, I know).


1.  In my inbox, it says there are some unread messages, yet my 
messages table is empty.  What is going on here?


2.  Can I assign cmd-4, 5, and so on to other mailboxes, and 
re-assign 1-3? I did not see this in preferences.


3.  On my iPod, I was somehow able to get my gMail addresses onto 
the iPod's contact list app.  Can I do that with the Mac? I have 
hundreds of addresses and would rather have them all and weed 
some out than have to start all over again.  Ideally, this would 
act like IMAP for mail, syncing changes made on the server or the 
mac, but I am not sure if that is even possible.


Thanks in advance!

Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from BrailleNote
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Re: clock with hotkey

[Red.Falcon]

Hi Craig and Alex!
You might find that the problem is the way the actual applescript to tell the 
time is written!
I've not done anything with scripts myself and would not know how to change 
that one!
But if you are already good with scripts you might be able to or write one that 
does what you want!
I'm only guessing about this but someone else asked about the very same thing 
quite a while ago!
And I think they also had changed there clock to 24 hour but the script said it 
in 12 hour mode!
So that's why I suggest looking at the script!
There is a place that keeps the scripts in one of the library's!
Colin

On 18 Aug 2011, at 23:16, Alex Hall wrote:

> No, but mine does the same thing (10.7.1). I have checked "allow
> voiceOver to be controlled by Apple scripts".
> 
> On 8/18/11, craig J Dunlop  wrote:
>> I changed my time to be 24 hour but the hot key I setup reads 12 hour time
>> using lion.
>> anyone have any thoughts?
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Re: first-time user: a bunch of basic questions

[Alex Hall]

Thanks for the help! I will give these a try, especially your
suggestions for moving in a webpage and using that read mode. What is
that, exactly?

On 8/18/11, Red.Falcon  wrote:
> Hi Alex!
> Unfortunately I cannot answer all of your questions!
> And I'm still running SL myself!
> But I will answer where I can!
> You'll find my suggestions after the question [in question] hahahahaha :]
> Colin
>
> On 18 Aug 2011, at 15:10, Alex Hall wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> I was on here a few months ago asking some basic questions about vo.
>> Now, I am proud to say, I have a Mac Mini sitting on the desk all
>> shiny and new from Best Buy as of two nights ago.  I can get around
>> the basics, like system or vo settings, and I can do things like
>> checking for updates, but beyond that I am stuck.  Here, in no
>> particular order, is my list of questions.  Rest assured, more will be
>> coming!
>>
>> 1.  It seems that dialogs have access keys (on Windows, one might
>> press alt-a to activate the "add" button, for instance), since I found
>> that pressing s within the shutdown dialog will make the computer
>> sleep.  However, vo will not read these keys, if they exist at all, so
>> I never know what letter will activate a button.  I have found the
>> option to use cmd+letter to move to elements starting with that
>> letter, but that is not the same thing since developers can assign any
>> letter to be the access key.
>>
>> 2.  I have trouble with html content (web pages, the App Store, and so
>> on).  I can get around by arrowing from one element to another or by
>> using the rotor, but I cannot figure out the following:
>> a.  I have enabled single-key navigation on webpages, but nothing
>> wraps.  For instance, if I am below a search edit which is the page's
>> only input field and I press f, I am told "text field not found"
>> instead of being taken to the field above me (at the top of the page).
>> b.  How can I just read the page? With jaws on Windows, I can arrow up
>> and down on the page to read it like a document, which is great if I
>> don't know what the page looks like or do not have a destination in
>> mind.  Arrowing in vo, though, seems impossible.  Am I to read pages
>> element by element only?
>
> No you can just turn off quicknav [left and right arrows together] then you
> can arrow through the page at will!
> And the same command to put quicknav back on!
>
>> If I go to a heading which is, say, an
>> article title, how can I just arrow down to see what the article is,
>> instead of reading the page from my current position? This is useful
>> if there is a by line, a social network sharing frame, or other
>> content after the heading but before the article.
>>
> YOu could try the reader command [command+shift+r ]
>
>> 3.  How do I use the Finder? I have no idea what it is doing, and only
>> found a file I was looking for by accident.  Should I use Spotlight
>> instead? What is the difference? Is there a third-party file and
>> folder manager that people recommend?
>>
>> 4.  From what I can gather, the left-hand menu is kind of like the
>> system tray in Windows, with network information, sound, bluetooth,
>> and the like.  How do I access it?
>>
> You access that menu with vo+m+m
>
>> 5.  When the mac starts, vo does not.  I have to hit cmd-f5 to run it
>> each time, and I am not sure how long to wait (I think I could wait a
>> lot less time than I am).  How can I fix this? I am running a usb
>> keyboard, no mouse, and no monitor at the moment.
>>
>
> You can set vo to start in log in window in your accounts!
>> 6.  Can vo announce the time and date like most other screen readers?
>> This is not a big deal to me, but it would be nice sometimes.  I have
>> enabled the keyboard commander, but the speech used is not my vo
>> speech, but rather the system speech, and there is quite a delay
>> between the keypress and the speaking.
>
> You might not have set vo to be run by apple scripts in the general part of
> vo utility the check that and the time will work much better!
>> 7.  Why is it that, when I go into the launcher and try to open my
>> downloads folder, nothing happens? It should have two files in it, so
>> I know it is not empty.  I am pressing enter, space, vo-space, the up
>> and down arrows (quick nav is on), but nothing happens.
>>
>> 8.  Nothing ever goes onto the desktop.  I am not sure how to use it
>> or what good it is, since everything goes to the dock/launcher.  I was
>> listening to a podcast last night, and the host had somehow set things
>> up so that his desktop had his home folder opened on it.  How do I
>> manage my desktop, and how is it different from the dock?
>>
>> 9.  Safari: aside from the html questions, how do I do things like
>> view bookmarks, sort bookmarks into folders, view open tabs, switch
>> between tabs, and so on? Will vo work with Firefox? Might I be better
>> off using that over Safari?
>>
> Forget firefox no vo!
>
>
>> 10.  How do I get to things I download so I c

Re: first-time user: a bunch of basic questions

[Alex Hall]

Thanks! My responses, with follow-up questions and clarifications, are
below, in-line with your answers.

On 8/18/11, Jessica and Goldina  wrote:
> hi Alex!
>
> welcome to the wonderful world of Mac! I'm sure you'll love it once you get
> everything figured out. I'll try to answer as many of your questions as I
> can and hopefully the other listers will chime in on the rest.
>
> 2.  html content areas. I don't believe the single key navigation wraps. if
> you're on the last form field on the page it will just leave you there and
> say no more elements found. however, if you press shift+f, for example,
> it'll take you to the form field above it.
Yes it will, but I was hoping for it to jump to the first one on the
page. I suppose this isn't too big a deal, though, as this was only
every really useful on gMail pages and I can now imap into gmail with
apple mail. Still, it would be nice.
>
> It is best to use the left and right arrow keys when browsing websites if
> you're not looking for any particular element. Yu mentioned finding an
> article and getting past all the social networking frame and stuff at the
> beginning. when you find the heading that contains the article, use the
> right arrow key to get past all the other stuff. on Mac, the left and right
> arrow keys are equal to using the up and down arrows to navigate through a
> website. you can also use VO find with VO f if you know the first few words
> of the article. but left and right arrows navigate through the page similar
> to how you do on windows.
I am discovering this. Another lister mentioned toggling off quick nav
and arrowing that way, which I will have to play with. Hopefully this
turns out to be a case of a windows muscle memory getting in the way,
and not a true annoyance. The lister also mentioned read mode, I think
it was cmd-shift-r. I will have to look into this.
>
> 3.  the finder can be a tricky thing at first. In Lion, and you would be
> using Lion since you mentioned single key navigation, the finder defaults to
> all files. This is a view where it shows you all your files. I haven't
> wrapped my head around how to use it yet so I changed my finder back to how
> it was in Snow Leopard. You can do this by:
> A.  go to the finder and open a new finder window by pressing cmd+n
> B.  go to finder preferences by pressing cmd+comma.
> C.  right arrow over until you hear: new finder windows show…
> D. right arrow over again and you will probably hear all files pop up
> button.
> E.  VO space on the pop up button to open it.
> F.  VO down arrow until you hear your name. this is your home folder.
> G.  VO space when you find your name and this will close the pop up button
> and change the selection from all files to your home folder.
> H.  close finder preferences with cmd+w.
> I. close the finder with cmd+w
> J. open the finder again with cmd+n. it will probably default to showing as
> icon view. To be safe, change the view to column view with cmd+3. VO will
> say "as columns checked."
>
> It looks way more complicated written out than it actually is. trust me.
> Your home folder is where your desktop, documents, downloads folder etc are
> stored. When you have it set to column view, it's similar to how it was in
> windows explorer, at least I found it was. If you want your documents for
> example, all you have to do is interact with the file browser VO+shift+down
> arrow and VO down arrow til you hear documents. use VO right arrow to open
> documents and VO down arrow to look through its contents. VO left arrow
> closes it and takes you back to your home folder. I found this the easiest
> way to browse the finder.
I did it, and it was rather easy. I always like to keep everything in
my own folders and not let apps, like iTunes or wordprocessors, manage
them for me. I assume this is where I create said folders?
>
> Apart from the file browser, there is a side bar in the finder. You can get
> to it by VO left arrowing when you're not interacting with the file browser.
Is there an easier way, like a keyboard shortcut?
> The side bar is where you can see other computers on your network, other
> drives you have hooked up to your computer etc.
I saw a bunch of checkboxes in preferences. Do they control what is in
this sidebar?
>
> Spotlight is a universal find feature. If you're not sure where exactly a
> file is stored on your computer, you can search for it in spotlight. Finder
> is where everything is stored and organized and spotlight is a quick way of
> finding things if you're not sure where they are.
Is there a keyboard command to bring up Spotlight?
>
> 4.  the left hand menu bar or second layer menu bar is like the system tray
> in windows, yes. you activate it by pressing VO m twice quickly and then VO
> arrowing through its contents.
Handy! Will apps ever put things there like they would on Windows?
>
> 5.  VO should start when your system starts as long as you don't turn it off
> before shutting down. If it doesn't I'd say mayb

Re: clock with hotkey

[Alex Hall]

No, but mine does the same thing (10.7.1). I have checked "allow
voiceOver to be controlled by Apple scripts".

On 8/18/11, craig J Dunlop  wrote:
> I changed my time to be 24 hour but the hot key I setup reads 12 hour time
> using lion.
> anyone have any thoughts?
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Re: thinking of returning to previous version of Skype

[louie]

Skype works the same here in lion sounds good.

On Aug 18, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

> Skype sounds the same to me and everyone I speak to sounds crystal clear.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 18 Aug 2011, at 10:38 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am giving serious consideration to returning to the other version of 
>> Skype.  The reason?  The codec in this version sounds to me to be quite a 
>> step back from the prior version.  When I used the Skype call test feature, 
>> I didn't sound nice and crisp to myself; and, another person with whom I was 
>> speaking this morning also informed me that I did not sound as good.  I'm 
>> using the same microphone configuration I had been using for the past monts 
>> (the Grifin Imic with the Audio logitech plugged in to it).
>> 
>> Anybody else notice this pathetically obvious degradation in sound quality?  
>> It's not a question of Lion either; so says my own experience.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: thinking of returning to previous version of Skype

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Skype sounds the same to me and everyone I speak to sounds crystal clear.

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Aug 2011, at 10:38 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am giving serious consideration to returning to the other version of Skype. 
>  The reason?  The codec in this version sounds to me to be quite a step back 
> from the prior version.  When I used the Skype call test feature, I didn't 
> sound nice and crisp to myself; and, another person with whom I was speaking 
> this morning also informed me that I did not sound as good.  I'm using the 
> same microphone configuration I had been using for the past monts (the Grifin 
> Imic with the Audio logitech plugged in to it).
> 
> Anybody else notice this pathetically obvious degradation in sound quality?  
> It's not a question of Lion either; so says my own experience.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
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clock with hotkey

[craig J Dunlop]

I changed my time to be 24 hour but the hot key I setup reads 12 hour time 
using lion. 
anyone have any thoughts?

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a small update on windows consideration

[Ray Foret Jr]

I should have stated earlier that if I do in fact try to install windows Vista 
on my Mac book Pro, I would be using VMware Fusion.  I've got the 30 day trial 
of it now but have yet to even attempt using it.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

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thinking of returning to previous version of Skype

[Ray Foret Jr]

Hi,

I am giving serious consideration to returning to the other version of Skype.  
The reason?  The codec in this version sounds to me to be quite a step back 
from the prior version.  When I used the Skype call test feature, I didn't 
sound nice and crisp to myself; and, another person with whom I was speaking 
this morning also informed me that I did not sound as good.  I'm using the same 
microphone configuration I had been using for the past monts (the Grifin Imic 
with the Audio logitech plugged in to it).

Anybody else notice this pathetically obvious degradation in sound quality?  
It's not a question of Lion either; so says my own experience.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1



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Re: VMware fusion and JAWS

Email me off list and I will send you the sharp key file used to remap keys.  
It's painless, and you only have to do it once.
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On Aug 18, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I've been trying to follow your very helpful instructions to remap an insert 
> key in Windows running in VMWare fusion so that I can use it as Jaws key. You 
> suggest choosing right option key to become the insert key. However, I do not 
> see an right option key choice in the list, just option key. And when I 
> remapped it to insert key, I couldn't then use it as a regular Alt key to 
> open menus in Windows and Windows applications. If this topic is not 
> appropriate for the list, if you kindly wish to continue with it, please 
> e-mail off list.
> 
> With best wishes
> 
> Simon
> On 16 Aug 2011, at 18:20, Paul Erkens wrote:
> 
>> Hi Rod,
>> In fusion, you have 2 choices to remap keys. One is sharp keys and the other 
>> is fusion itself. If you do it in fusion however, the keys you define will 
>> work in all virtual machines you have. If these are all windows, there is no 
>> problem.  Regarding the fusion way of doing it: go into fusion's preferences 
>> with command comma. Then choose the keyboard item from the toolbar and do 
>> the following in the first tab sheet.
>> 
>> In this key definition screen you have a from section, and a to, section. In 
>> from, choose right option, from the combo box. There are checkboxes, but 
>> ignore them for now. In the to, section, go for insert. Now, you cannot 
>> simply tab away from the to, combo box, because it will then replace your 
>> chosen insert key with the tab key. V O right won't work either because the 
>> combo box is still open and any key will be interpreted as a destination 
>> mapping. Just command tab out of fusion and then command tab back in again. 
>> Now, the combo is closed, and you can go to the ok button as normal. So in 
>> short, map your right option key to insert, by defining it in the fusion 
>> preferences.
>> On Aug 13, 2011, at 5:29 PM, ROD SKENE wrote:
>> 
>>> Good morning,
>>> How do I re-map my right command key to an insert key and my right option 
>>> key to an applications key while I am in VMware fusion?  Also, will it 
>>> affect the keyboard commander commands such as right option key, T for time?
>>> I hope everyone is having a great weekend!
>>> Rod
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Re: first-time user: a bunch of basic questions

[Red.Falcon]

Hi Alex!
Unfortunately I cannot answer all of your questions!
And I'm still running SL myself!
But I will answer where I can!
You'll find my suggestions after the question [in question] hahahahaha :]
Colin

On 18 Aug 2011, at 15:10, Alex Hall wrote:

> Hello all,
> I was on here a few months ago asking some basic questions about vo.
> Now, I am proud to say, I have a Mac Mini sitting on the desk all
> shiny and new from Best Buy as of two nights ago.  I can get around
> the basics, like system or vo settings, and I can do things like
> checking for updates, but beyond that I am stuck.  Here, in no
> particular order, is my list of questions.  Rest assured, more will be
> coming!
> 
> 1.  It seems that dialogs have access keys (on Windows, one might
> press alt-a to activate the "add" button, for instance), since I found
> that pressing s within the shutdown dialog will make the computer
> sleep.  However, vo will not read these keys, if they exist at all, so
> I never know what letter will activate a button.  I have found the
> option to use cmd+letter to move to elements starting with that
> letter, but that is not the same thing since developers can assign any
> letter to be the access key.
> 
> 2.  I have trouble with html content (web pages, the App Store, and so
> on).  I can get around by arrowing from one element to another or by
> using the rotor, but I cannot figure out the following:
> a.  I have enabled single-key navigation on webpages, but nothing
> wraps.  For instance, if I am below a search edit which is the page's
> only input field and I press f, I am told "text field not found"
> instead of being taken to the field above me (at the top of the page).
> b.  How can I just read the page? With jaws on Windows, I can arrow up
> and down on the page to read it like a document, which is great if I
> don't know what the page looks like or do not have a destination in
> mind.  Arrowing in vo, though, seems impossible.  Am I to read pages
> element by element only?

No you can just turn off quicknav [left and right arrows together] then you can 
arrow through the page at will!
And the same command to put quicknav back on!

> If I go to a heading which is, say, an
> article title, how can I just arrow down to see what the article is,
> instead of reading the page from my current position? This is useful
> if there is a by line, a social network sharing frame, or other
> content after the heading but before the article.
> 
YOu could try the reader command [command+shift+r ]

> 3.  How do I use the Finder? I have no idea what it is doing, and only
> found a file I was looking for by accident.  Should I use Spotlight
> instead? What is the difference? Is there a third-party file and
> folder manager that people recommend?
> 
> 4.  From what I can gather, the left-hand menu is kind of like the
> system tray in Windows, with network information, sound, bluetooth,
> and the like.  How do I access it?
> 
You access that menu with vo+m+m 

> 5.  When the mac starts, vo does not.  I have to hit cmd-f5 to run it
> each time, and I am not sure how long to wait (I think I could wait a
> lot less time than I am).  How can I fix this? I am running a usb
> keyboard, no mouse, and no monitor at the moment.
> 

You can set vo to start in log in window in your accounts!
> 6.  Can vo announce the time and date like most other screen readers?
> This is not a big deal to me, but it would be nice sometimes.  I have
> enabled the keyboard commander, but the speech used is not my vo
> speech, but rather the system speech, and there is quite a delay
> between the keypress and the speaking.

You might not have set vo to be run by apple scripts in the general part of vo 
utility the check that and the time will work much better!
> 7.  Why is it that, when I go into the launcher and try to open my
> downloads folder, nothing happens? It should have two files in it, so
> I know it is not empty.  I am pressing enter, space, vo-space, the up
> and down arrows (quick nav is on), but nothing happens.
> 
> 8.  Nothing ever goes onto the desktop.  I am not sure how to use it
> or what good it is, since everything goes to the dock/launcher.  I was
> listening to a podcast last night, and the host had somehow set things
> up so that his desktop had his home folder opened on it.  How do I
> manage my desktop, and how is it different from the dock?
> 
> 9.  Safari: aside from the html questions, how do I do things like
> view bookmarks, sort bookmarks into folders, view open tabs, switch
> between tabs, and so on? Will vo work with Firefox? Might I be better
> off using that over Safari?
> 
Forget firefox no vo!


> 10.  How do I get to things I download so I can open them? I have so
> far downloaded two programs, but I am not sure how to run either one
> of them.  I think I ran one, but I'm not sure, and now I can't get the
> other to work at all.
> 
> 11.  Is there a way to read daisy, for free, using Alex? I know
> Bookshare has a pr

Re: first-time user: a bunch of basic questions

[Jessica and Goldina]

hi Alex!

welcome to the wonderful world of Mac! I'm sure you'll love it once you get 
everything figured out. I'll try to answer as many of your questions as I can 
and hopefully the other listers will chime in on the rest.

2.  html content areas. I don't believe the single key navigation wraps. if 
you're on the last form field on the page it will just leave you there and say 
no more elements found. however, if you press shift+f, for example, it'll take 
you to the form field above it.

It is best to use the left and right arrow keys when browsing websites if 
you're not looking for any particular element. Yu mentioned finding an article 
and getting past all the social networking frame and stuff at the beginning. 
when you find the heading that contains the article, use the right arrow key to 
get past all the other stuff. on Mac, the left and right arrow keys are equal 
to using the up and down arrows to navigate through a website. you can also use 
VO find with VO f if you know the first few words of the article. but left and 
right arrows navigate through the page similar to how you do on windows.

3.  the finder can be a tricky thing at first. In Lion, and you would be using 
Lion since you mentioned single key navigation, the finder defaults to all 
files. This is a view where it shows you all your files. I haven't wrapped my 
head around how to use it yet so I changed my finder back to how it was in Snow 
Leopard. You can do this by:
A.  go to the finder and open a new finder window by pressing cmd+n
B.  go to finder preferences by pressing cmd+comma.
C.  right arrow over until you hear: new finder windows show…
D. right arrow over again and you will probably hear all files pop up button.
E.  VO space on the pop up button to open it.
F.  VO down arrow until you hear your name. this is your home folder.
G.  VO space when you find your name and this will close the pop up button and 
change the selection from all files to your home folder.
H.  close finder preferences with cmd+w.
I. close the finder with cmd+w
J. open the finder again with cmd+n. it will probably default to showing as 
icon view. To be safe, change the view to column view with cmd+3. VO will say 
"as columns checked."

It looks way more complicated written out than it actually is. trust me. Your 
home folder is where your desktop, documents, downloads folder etc are stored. 
When you have it set to column view, it's similar to how it was in windows 
explorer, at least I found it was. If you want your documents for example, all 
you have to do is interact with the file browser VO+shift+down arrow and VO 
down arrow til you hear documents. use VO right arrow to open documents and VO 
down arrow to look through its contents. VO left arrow closes it and takes you 
back to your home folder. I found this the easiest way to browse the finder.

Apart from the file browser, there is a side bar in the finder. You can get to 
it by VO left arrowing when you're not interacting with the file browser. The 
side bar is where you can see other computers on your network, other drives you 
have hooked up to your computer etc.

Spotlight is a universal find feature. If you're not sure where exactly a file 
is stored on your computer, you can search for it in spotlight. Finder is where 
everything is stored and organized and spotlight is a quick way of finding 
things if you're not sure where they are.

4.  the left hand menu bar or second layer menu bar is like the system tray in 
windows, yes. you activate it by pressing VO m twice quickly and then VO 
arrowing through its contents.

5.  VO should start when your system starts as long as you don't turn it off 
before shutting down. If it doesn't I'd say maybe wait five minutes? just a 
really basic estimate though. But as long as you keep it on when you shut your 
computer down, it should come on when your computer starts up.

6.  Voiceover can read the time and day by using the keyboard commander. You 
mentioned it already, maybe go into voiceover preferences/general and make sure 
"allow voiceover to be controlled by Apple scripts" is checked? strange that it 
would be using the system voice.

7.  from the dock, or launcher as you called it, downloads, documents and 
applications don't open as they normally would. To open downloads for example, 
use  VO+shift+m to bring up the contextual menu. VO down arrow until you hear 
"open downloads." VO space on open downloads. You will be then placed in a new 
finder window with downloads selected. interact with the file browser and VO 
right arrow to open the folder. documents and applications are also opened from 
the dock this way.

Further down in your list of questions you asked about using the contextual 
menu and removing things from the dock. I'll cover those right now since we're 
on the topic of the contextual menu. Like I mentioned before, you bring it up 
with VO+shift+m . Let's pretend you wanted to remove iPhoto from your dock. go 
to the con

Re: How Do I Check Missed Events In Skype

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

You can set notifications so that a message will be sent to your E-mail telling 
you of a missed call, but not of missed chats.  For that, you go to the first 
unmarked table in Skype, underneath the tool bar, and interact with it; VO down 
until you hear "recent."  Anything under that and before "History," is your 
missed events or actions.



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Re: Using Course Smart e-books

[Kevin Chao]

For past 10 months, I have been using CourseSmart on OS X, Windows,
and iOS for past year with VoiceOver and NVDA; it's been an excellent
experience.

CourseSmart Reader is a cloud reader with HTML5 offline access
capabilities. It will work with OS X VoiceOver Webkit, Safari, and
Lightning web browsers.

CourseSmart has been working closely with Ann Taylor from the National
Federation of the Blind Jernigan center and there have been lots of
progress in improving accessibility.

STEPP did give presentations at NFB and ACB, with overview,
demonstrations, and Q&A.

For more information on mainstream, universally accessible eTextbooks,
which can be accessed anywhere, and anytime, please visit:
http://STEPP.GATech.Edu

Kevin
On 8/17/11, David Tanner  wrote:
> I went to their presentation at the NFB convention.  They gave an
> interesting presentation, but it sounds like the only way to access books
> from them is through a web browser.  It sounds like they do plan on starting
> to support EPub 3 next year.  That should help things, but if you are having
> problems you certainly should contact them and see if they can do anything
> now to give you help in gaining better access.
>
> Ann Taylor from the Jernigan Training Center seemed to think that they are
> doing fairly well, and indicated that they have been working with them for a
> year.  So, you may ask her to get involved if you have any problems getting
> results from contacting them directly.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dawn Benbow" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:00 PM
> Subject: Using Course Smart e-books
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Does anyone have experience using e-books from Course Smart? I discovered
> last semester at school that this is the e-book company that my University
> uses the most for their text books. They say their books are accessible, but
> I wasn't having much luck last semester with them, so wanted to ask for some
> help before starting up again next month. I know they were scheduled to give
> a presentation at one of the conventions this summer, but I wasn't able to
> go and sit in on it. So I was hoping someone here might be able to help me.
>
> Thanks very much.
>
>
> Dawn Benbow
>
> email:d-ben...@live.com
> Messanger:  d.ben...@sbcglobal.net
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How Do I Check Missed Events In Skype

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hey all. How do I view missed events in Skype? Everytime I want to quit Skype 
or I shut down my computer I get a message saying that all calls and stuff will 
be lost. I recently blocked a contact from my list and I'm thinking that it's 
from this person. Do I have to add her again in order to check the missed event?

Shawn

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Re: VMware fusion and JAWS

[Simon Cavendish]

Hello,

I've been trying to follow your very helpful instructions to remap an insert 
key in Windows running in VMWare fusion so that I can use it as Jaws key. You 
suggest choosing right option key to become the insert key. However, I do not 
see an right option key choice in the list, just option key. And when I 
remapped it to insert key, I couldn't then use it as a regular Alt key to open 
menus in Windows and Windows applications. If this topic is not appropriate for 
the list, if you kindly wish to continue with it, please e-mail off list.

With best wishes

Simon
On 16 Aug 2011, at 18:20, Paul Erkens wrote:

> Hi Rod,
> In fusion, you have 2 choices to remap keys. One is sharp keys and the other 
> is fusion itself. If you do it in fusion however, the keys you define will 
> work in all virtual machines you have. If these are all windows, there is no 
> problem.  Regarding the fusion way of doing it: go into fusion's preferences 
> with command comma. Then choose the keyboard item from the toolbar and do the 
> following in the first tab sheet.
> 
> In this key definition screen you have a from section, and a to, section. In 
> from, choose right option, from the combo box. There are checkboxes, but 
> ignore them for now. In the to, section, go for insert. Now, you cannot 
> simply tab away from the to, combo box, because it will then replace your 
> chosen insert key with the tab key. V O right won't work either because the 
> combo box is still open and any key will be interpreted as a destination 
> mapping. Just command tab out of fusion and then command tab back in again. 
> Now, the combo is closed, and you can go to the ok button as normal. So in 
> short, map your right option key to insert, by defining it in the fusion 
> preferences.
> On Aug 13, 2011, at 5:29 PM, ROD SKENE wrote:
> 
>> Good morning,
>> How do I re-map my right command key to an insert key and my right option 
>> key to an applications key while I am in VMware fusion?  Also, will it 
>> affect the keyboard commander commands such as right option key, T for time?
>> I hope everyone is having a great weekend!
>> Rod
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Re: Remote cd/dvd setup with Lion?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I think you have it backwards.

That setting is to share the optical drive of your Mac with another computer.  
I guess since your mini has no optical drive, this option isn't available.  You 
will have to try to set it up with the computer that has the optical drive.

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On Aug 18, 2011, at 12:36 PM, Bill Holton wrote:

> Hi.
> I have searched the sharing settings, I found  file sharing, printer
> sharing, scanner and a number of other shares, but I don'tsee any cd/DVD
> sharing option.  Can someone point me in the right direction so I can get
> the remote disk working with my driveless mini?  Thanks.
> 
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Remote cd/dvd setup with Lion?

[Bill Holton]

Hi.
I have searched the sharing settings, I found  file sharing, printer
sharing, scanner and a number of other shares, but I don'tsee any cd/DVD
sharing option.  Can someone point me in the right direction so I can get
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Re: Looking for a good unzipping program.

[Paul Henrichsen]

Hi, Paul. 
>From the explanation of the app in the store, it appears to support rar files. 
>But lots of references to dragging and dropping. Is the program accessible 
>with VO? Thanks. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 17, 2011, at 10:58 PM, Paul Erkens  wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> It does, but I'm not sure if it does that natively or via the rar command 
> line tool set. I once bought winrar for windows, and that license entitles 
> you to use the command line tools on os10 as well, so I can unrar. Betterzip 
> is a handy archiving tool that also compresses, rather than just 
> decompression alone, so just give it a shot and download a command line trial 
> for rar if you can't unrar natively.
> On Aug 18, 2011, at 4:54 AM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
> 
>> Thanks. $20 is better than the $40 that the win zip folks are charging for 
>> theirs. Does better zip unzip RAR files?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> On Aug 17, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Paul,
>>> If you need an archiving shell that unzips, zips etc, I had better zip from 
>>> the app store. If you want to unrar, you can install the trial version of 
>>> rar for os10. Worked like a charm. I have not used it since Lion is 
>>> installed though, but perhaps just take a look. Betterzip zips and unzips 
>>> natively, and it supports a number of other formats. It is not cheap 
>>> though, but given the number or archives I have on my external drive, it 
>>> was worth it.
>>> Paul.
>>> On Aug 17, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Paul Henrichsen wrote:
>>> 
 Hi. I know that the mac will unzip zip files, but I'm looking for one that 
 will also unzip RAR files as well. I know that the win zip people have a 
 version for the mac, but I don't know how accessible it is.
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Re: that old mac mini keyboard problem is still with me.

[james Walton]

to do this, you will need to do this,
1. ofcourse backup your data!
2. restart your mac mini, and when the sound plays, hold down command r, i 
recommend holding that down for about 10 seconds
this will start recovery mode, what it will do here is download the recovery 
image from apple's servers, this can take some time, it took my mac i think 
like 5 minutes.
if you have your mac connected to a ethernet connection this will be simpler.
this will make sure you load internet recovery.
if you are on wifi, i can't explain how to do it because i don't use wifi
once this loads, you will need to erase the partition that your mac is 
installed on by using disk utility.
once you have done this close disk utility

go to reinstall mac os 10
this part will take about 2 hours or more depending on your internet connection 
speed.
what it is doing here, is downloading the image, then it will restart, install 
mac os 10 and restart again in to the setup screen you get when you first 
received your mac.
contact me off list
if you want more help so we don't clutter the list up.
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Re: that old mac mini keyboard problem is still with me.

[Joe Paton]

Hello James,

Where do I find this?

Thanks.
At 16:36 18/08/2011, you wrote:

To reinstall if you have a new mini, you need to use Internet recovery


On Aug 18, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Joe Paton  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I still have the issue where the keyboard settings, when set to 
standard function key set up instead of hardware, is not holding.

>
> I have noticed when looking around that my user profile, if that 
is what apple calls it, looking at the logon screen setup, is 
custom.  Might this be why the plist file for system settings is 
not available for me to view or have the system modify the file?

>
> Now if I wanted to re-install Lion, where would I get the main 
executable file from?  When I visit the app store, it tells me that 
three components are available for updating, Imovie, Iphoto booth 
and some other stuff which I am not interested in.

>
> But I can't find a link to download Lion.  There is no support 
software on the latest Minis either. No disks because no CD drive ( 
could connect a external one though,) no usb with lion on it and so it goes.

>
> Sorry this is turning in to a ramble and I don't want to ramble, 
and sure as heck you don't want to read a ramble.

>
> Any thoughts on this crockpot of ideas?
>
> Thanks loads.
>
> Joe Paton
>
>
>
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Re: that old mac mini keyboard problem is still with me.

[james walton]

To reinstall if you have a new mini, you need to use Internet recovery


On Aug 18, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Joe Paton  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I still have the issue where the keyboard settings, when set to standard 
> function key set up instead of hardware, is not holding.
>
> I have noticed when looking around that my user profile, if that is what 
> apple calls it, looking at the logon screen setup, is custom.  Might this be 
> why the plist file for system settings is not available for me to view or 
> have the system modify the file?
>
> Now if I wanted to re-install Lion, where would I get the main executable 
> file from?  When I visit the app store, it tells me that three components are 
> available for updating, Imovie, Iphoto booth and some other stuff which I am 
> not interested in.
>
> But I can't find a link to download Lion.  There is no support software on 
> the latest Minis either. No disks because no CD drive ( could connect a 
> external one though,) no usb with lion on it and so it goes.
>
> Sorry this is turning in to a ramble and I don't want to ramble, and sure as 
> heck you don't want to read a ramble.
>
> Any thoughts on this crockpot of ideas?
>
> Thanks loads.
>
> Joe Paton
>
>
>
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that old mac mini keyboard problem is still with me.

[Joe Paton]

Hi folks,

I still have the issue where the keyboard settings, when set to 
standard function key set up instead of hardware, is not holding.


I have noticed when looking around that my user profile, if that is 
what apple calls it, looking at the logon screen setup, is 
custom.  Might this be why the plist file for system settings is not 
available for me to view or have the system modify the file?


Now if I wanted to re-install Lion, where would I get the main 
executable file from?  When I visit the app store, it tells me that 
three components are available for updating, Imovie, Iphoto booth and 
some other stuff which I am not interested in.


But I can't find a link to download Lion.  There is no support 
software on the latest Minis either. No disks because no CD drive ( 
could connect a external one though,) no usb with lion on it and so it goes.


Sorry this is turning in to a ramble and I don't want to ramble, and 
sure as heck you don't want to read a ramble.


Any thoughts on this crockpot of ideas?

Thanks loads.

Joe Paton




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first-time user: a bunch of basic questions

[Alex Hall]

Hello all,
I was on here a few months ago asking some basic questions about vo.
Now, I am proud to say, I have a Mac Mini sitting on the desk all
shiny and new from Best Buy as of two nights ago.  I can get around
the basics, like system or vo settings, and I can do things like
checking for updates, but beyond that I am stuck.  Here, in no
particular order, is my list of questions.  Rest assured, more will be
coming!

1.  It seems that dialogs have access keys (on Windows, one might
press alt-a to activate the "add" button, for instance), since I found
that pressing s within the shutdown dialog will make the computer
sleep.  However, vo will not read these keys, if they exist at all, so
I never know what letter will activate a button.  I have found the
option to use cmd+letter to move to elements starting with that
letter, but that is not the same thing since developers can assign any
letter to be the access key.

2.  I have trouble with html content (web pages, the App Store, and so
on).  I can get around by arrowing from one element to another or by
using the rotor, but I cannot figure out the following:
a.  I have enabled single-key navigation on webpages, but nothing
wraps.  For instance, if I am below a search edit which is the page's
only input field and I press f, I am told "text field not found"
instead of being taken to the field above me (at the top of the page).
b.  How can I just read the page? With jaws on Windows, I can arrow up
and down on the page to read it like a document, which is great if I
don't know what the page looks like or do not have a destination in
mind.  Arrowing in vo, though, seems impossible.  Am I to read pages
element by element only? If I go to a heading which is, say, an
article title, how can I just arrow down to see what the article is,
instead of reading the page from my current position? This is useful
if there is a by line, a social network sharing frame, or other
content after the heading but before the article.

3.  How do I use the Finder? I have no idea what it is doing, and only
found a file I was looking for by accident.  Should I use Spotlight
instead? What is the difference? Is there a third-party file and
folder manager that people recommend?

4.  From what I can gather, the left-hand menu is kind of like the
system tray in Windows, with network information, sound, bluetooth,
and the like.  How do I access it?

5.  When the mac starts, vo does not.  I have to hit cmd-f5 to run it
each time, and I am not sure how long to wait (I think I could wait a
lot less time than I am).  How can I fix this? I am running a usb
keyboard, no mouse, and no monitor at the moment.

6.  Can vo announce the time and date like most other screen readers?
This is not a big deal to me, but it would be nice sometimes.  I have
enabled the keyboard commander, but the speech used is not my vo
speech, but rather the system speech, and there is quite a delay
between the keypress and the speaking.

7.  Why is it that, when I go into the launcher and try to open my
downloads folder, nothing happens? It should have two files in it, so
I know it is not empty.  I am pressing enter, space, vo-space, the up
and down arrows (quick nav is on), but nothing happens.

8.  Nothing ever goes onto the desktop.  I am not sure how to use it
or what good it is, since everything goes to the dock/launcher.  I was
listening to a podcast last night, and the host had somehow set things
up so that his desktop had his home folder opened on it.  How do I
manage my desktop, and how is it different from the dock?

9.  Safari: aside from the html questions, how do I do things like
view bookmarks, sort bookmarks into folders, view open tabs, switch
between tabs, and so on? Will vo work with Firefox? Might I be better
off using that over Safari?

10.  How do I get to things I download so I can open them? I have so
far downloaded two programs, but I am not sure how to run either one
of them.  I think I ran one, but I'm not sure, and now I can't get the
other to work at all.

11.  Is there a way to read daisy, for free, using Alex? I know
Bookshare has a program, but I don't want the voices it comes with, I
just want to use Alex to read bookshare and other content.

12.  I see that there are some scripts in the keyboard commander.  How
do I view these scripts or assign my own? I am not asking for
programming help, but rather for help on how to view the contents with
a mac or tell vo where to find scripts I may make in the future.

13.  I am thinking about a trackpad of some kind (this is, after all,
a mini, not a laptop).  Would there be any advantage to the Magic
Mouse over the Magic Trackpad? As I understand it, they are the same
except that the mouse lets you click.  Is that of any help in vo, or
should I just go for the trackpad?

14.  Maybe macs don't work this way, but how do I bring up the context
menu for an item? For instance, I was trying to figure out how to
remove icons from the dock, and I thought that if 

Re: garageband jampacks and other plugins?

[Chris Moore]

Isn't it about time Apple brought out some new ones? I think I bought mine in 
2004! 

*looks in Ricardo's GB folder for those trax I was after :p 
On 18 Aug 2011, at 15:06, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> you  can't buy the jam packs via the Mac app store at present to my 
> knowledge.  But you can pick them up anywhere online.  try Amazon.  As far as 
> Plugins, you can't use VSTs on garageband.  They have to be AU plugins.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rwalker...@gmail.com
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> 
> On Aug 17, 2011, at 6:50 PM, anouk radix wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I ordered my macbook air 11 inch with i7 processor today and because I am 
>> still a student I got 100 euro discount and 75 euro discount as itunes gift 
>> card.
>> The thing I am looking forward the most, when the air arrives, is toying 
>> with garageband.
>> I know apple itself developed 5 jampacks for garageband and I was wondering 
>> how you can buy these? Will I be able to use my itunes credit for it/are 
>> they in-app purchases.
>> I was also wondering if third party developers have msfre plugins for 
>> garageband (extra instruments maybe) and if you can use third party plugins 
>> made for other programs for example through the vst format?
>> Thanks in advance
>> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: how to use midi keyboard and macbook air

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

using a M-Audio oxygen here.  No interface just straight plug and play.

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On Aug 17, 2011, at 6:46 PM, anouk radix wrote:

> Hi, I was wondering if it is possible to use a midi keyboard with an usb 
> output straight to the usb jack of the macbook air? Will this be fast enough 
> or should I buy an external sound card/midi interface with a midi input and 
> do it htat way?
> What midi keyboards do you guys recommend?
> Thanks,
> Greetings, Anouk,
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using Apex as display: problems with keyboard

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I have a bn Apex bt 32 which I have successfully paired with my mac.
I expected to see many of the same vo keys here as are on the iPod,
like flicking, top or bottom of window, rotor commands, and so on.
Nothing is there, though.  Having resigned myself to a few hours of
assigning everything, I went to the braille category of the vo
utility, selected my display, and opened the assign keys window.  The
problem, though, is that pressing cmd-b plays the "assign key" tone,
but will not actually accept the keys I press.  My questions, then:
1.  Is the failure to assign custom keys the fault of the mac
(10.7.1), the Apex (ks9.1), or the user (a mac newbie)?
2.  Is there a script or something like that out there that has
already done the work of making braille displays act on the mac much
like they do on iOS, specifically the Apex models? I can assign my
keys, if I can get #1 (above) sorted out, but I don't want to
re-invent the wheel.
Thanks!


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Re: garageband jampacks and other plugins?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

you  can't buy the jam packs via the Mac app store at present to my knowledge.  
But you can pick them up anywhere online.  try Amazon.  As far as Plugins, you 
can't use VSTs on garageband.  They have to be AU plugins.

hth

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On Aug 17, 2011, at 6:50 PM, anouk radix wrote:

> Hi,
> I ordered my macbook air 11 inch with i7 processor today and because I am 
> still a student I got 100 euro discount and 75 euro discount as itunes gift 
> card.
> The thing I am looking forward the most, when the air arrives, is toying with 
> garageband.
> I know apple itself developed 5 jampacks for garageband and I was wondering 
> how you can buy these? Will I be able to use my itunes credit for it/are they 
> in-app purchases.
> I was also wondering if third party developers have msfre plugins for 
> garageband (extra instruments maybe) and if you can use third party plugins 
> made for other programs for example through the vst format?
> Thanks in advance
> Greetings, Anouk,
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Mod note -was- Re: advanced documentation for voice over?

[Cara Quinn]

Hey All, just want to send along a quick reminder that while you're totally 
free and even encouraged to connect up with other members here for assistance 
and such, please do it off the list. Go ahead and respond privately to say 'hi' 
/ 'thank you' or 'nice to see ya' etc. -KNow what I mean?…

Connecting up is totally cool, just do it privately, K? Besides, it's more 
personal that way anyway. :)

Thanks bunches and ya'll rock!

Smiles,

Cara :)

On Aug 17, 2011, at 12:05 PM, Cody wrote:

Looky looky, a blast from the passed. tammy cantrell from the reach center for 
the blind...

- Original Message - From: "Tammy Cantrell" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: advanced documentation for voice over?


> I would appreciate having that book if you don't mind.
> Thanks!
> - Original Message - From: "ezzie bueno" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:20 PM
> Subject: re: advanced documentation for voice over?
> 
> 
>> Hi! There's a "VoiceOver: Getting Started book" that will teach you more 
>> about VO.  I can send it to you as an attachment if you're interested.
>> 
>> Ezzie
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kliph&Sharrie" > To: > Date sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:56:29 -0500
>> Subject: advanced documentation for voice over?
>> 
>> Okay, so I've had my mac for almost 3 months.  And have learned a lot of the
>> basics on my own, and by asking questions.  Where can I get some advanced
>> documentation on how to use voice over.  I'm sure there are some things I
>> don't know, and need to know.  So where have all you learned the things you
>> know?  Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kliphton SR
>> 
>> (twitter&Skype) kliphton72
>> 
>> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com
>> 
>> (Marriage group)
>> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: garageband jampacks and other plugins?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

no.  iLife comes with new Macs.  Not new versions of the operating system.

hth

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On Aug 18, 2011, at 6:37 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

> Something odd about garage band. I once got garage band with snow leopard, on 
> the installation dvd set. Now however, I have a working clean install of 
> Lion, done from a USB stick, without the additional ilife software.
> I looked in the app store, and garage band seems to cost 12 euros, which is 
> some 16 dollars I think, so it is not free. What am I missing here? Shouldn't 
> it b free? Do new Lion machine buyers still get an extra disk with ilife 
> software? Any ideas?
> On Aug 18, 2011, at 9:12 AM, anouk radix wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, I will investigate when I get my macbook air and if I cant find it i 
>> will call the apple store and inquire there and report back.
>> Greetings, Anouk,
>> Op 18-8-2011 1:37, Daniel Miller schreef:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> As far as the JamPacks go, they stopped selling them from their online store
>>> since they were boxed software. Supposedly they're going to start selling
>>> them through the Mac app store, but I have no idea when that will be, so as
>>> far as I know, you can no longer purchase them, but I could be wrong.
>>> I'm not sure about 3rd-party plugins, however.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of anouk radix
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 5:51 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: garageband jampacks and other plugins?
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I ordered my macbook air 11 inch with i7 processor today and because I am
>>> still a student I got 100 euro discount and 75 euro discount as itunes gift
>>> card.
>>> The thing I am looking forward the most, when the air arrives, is toying
>>> with garageband.
>>> I know apple itself developed 5 jampacks for garageband and I was wondering
>>> how you can buy these? Will I be able to use my itunes credit for it/are
>>> they in-app purchases.
>>> I was also wondering if third party developers have msfre plugins for
>>> garageband (extra instruments maybe) and if you can use third party plugins
>>> made for other programs for example through the vst format?
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> Greetings, Anouk,
>>> 
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Re: google chrome

[Red.Falcon]

Hi Chad!
I've found on some text fields that I have to do a mouse click and then you can 
type!
So I make sure the mouse is there with vo+command+f5 then mouse click 
vo+shift+space!
But still sometimes although vo says nothing the text is going in!
And I just left arrow once and back and the text is then red, so this might 
work for you!
If not back to the drawing board! :]
Colin

On 18 Aug 2011, at 08:45, chad baker wrote:

> hi just downloaded chrome and can't type in edit fields
> when i type vo don't speak and nothing gets typed
> any suggestions
> thanks
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Re: advanced documentation for voice over?

[Joseph Norton]

Hi list:

Here's a link to the latest VoiceOver manual for Lion.  It was posted a few 
days ago.

http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.7/English.lproj/index.html

I'm not sure why Apple hasn't updated the regular Accessibility pages to 
reflect this.  Hope this helps.



On Aug 18, 2011, at 1:07 AM, Oriol Gómez wrote:

> Isn't this the book ont he apple accessibility site? heh
> 
> On 8/17/11, Tammy Cantrell  wrote:
>> We can hope!
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Cody" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: advanced documentation for voice over?
>> 
>> 
>>> awesome to hear. now let's get that concept through vr's headunlikely
>>> to happen.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Tammy Cantrell" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 3:40 PM
>>> Subject: Re: advanced documentation for voice over?
>>> 
>>> 
 Some people get stuck in a rut and can't get out.  I decided to get one
 and now have to learn how to use it.  I like learning new things.  smile!
 - Original Message -
 From: "Cody" 
 To: 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:28 PM
 Subject: Re: advanced documentation for voice over?
 
 
> Did the nfb finally figure out the mac isn't so bad after all? Or is it
> a guilty pleasure.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tammy Cantrell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 3:16 PM
> Subject: Re: advanced documentation for voice over?
> 
> 
>> Yep!  Guilty as charged!  smile!
>> Thought that was you.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Cody" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: advanced documentation for voice over?
>> 
>> 
>>> Looky looky, a blast from the passed. tammy cantrell from the reach
>>> center for the blind...
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Tammy Cantrell" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:40 PM
>>> Subject: Re: advanced documentation for voice over?
>>> 
>>> 
 I would appreciate having that book if you don't mind.
 Thanks!
 - Original Message -
 From: "ezzie bueno" 
 To: 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:20 PM
 Subject: re: advanced documentation for voice over?
 
 
> Hi! There's a "VoiceOver: Getting Started book" that will teach you
> more about VO.  I can send it to you as an attachment if you're
> interested.
> 
> Ezzie
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kliph&Sharrie"  To:  Date sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:56:29 -0500
> Subject: advanced documentation for voice over?
> 
> Okay, so I've had my mac for almost 3 months.  And have learned a
> lot of the
> basics on my own, and by asking questions.  Where can I get some
> advanced
> documentation on how to use voice over.  I'm sure there are some
> things I
> don't know, and need to know.  So where have all you learned the
> things you
> know?  Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kliphton SR
> 
> (twitter&Skype) kliphton72
> 
> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com
> 
> (Marriage group)
>  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: garageband jampacks and other plugins?

[Paul Erkens]

Something odd about garage band. I once got garage band with snow leopard, on 
the installation dvd set. Now however, I have a working clean install of Lion, 
done from a USB stick, without the additional ilife software.
I looked in the app store, and garage band seems to cost 12 euros, which is 
some 16 dollars I think, so it is not free. What am I missing here? Shouldn't 
it b free? Do new Lion machine buyers still get an extra disk with ilife 
software? Any ideas?
On Aug 18, 2011, at 9:12 AM, anouk radix wrote:

> Thanks, I will investigate when I get my macbook air and if I cant find it i 
> will call the apple store and inquire there and report back.
> Greetings, Anouk,
> Op 18-8-2011 1:37, Daniel Miller schreef:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> As far as the JamPacks go, they stopped selling them from their online store
>> since they were boxed software. Supposedly they're going to start selling
>> them through the Mac app store, but I have no idea when that will be, so as
>> far as I know, you can no longer purchase them, but I could be wrong.
>> I'm not sure about 3rd-party plugins, however.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of anouk radix
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 5:51 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: garageband jampacks and other plugins?
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I ordered my macbook air 11 inch with i7 processor today and because I am
>> still a student I got 100 euro discount and 75 euro discount as itunes gift
>> card.
>> The thing I am looking forward the most, when the air arrives, is toying
>> with garageband.
>> I know apple itself developed 5 jampacks for garageband and I was wondering
>> how you can buy these? Will I be able to use my itunes credit for it/are
>> they in-app purchases.
>> I was also wondering if third party developers have msfre plugins for
>> garageband (extra instruments maybe) and if you can use third party plugins
>> made for other programs for example through the vst format?
>> Thanks in advance
>> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: speaking of keyboards and the macbook pro...

[Scott Howell]

Karen,

It does not matter, you can connect the keyboard prior or after boot without 
any concern of problems.

On Aug 18, 2011, at 1:13 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> When is best to do this?
> I have a full sized apple keyboard tusb, that I am going to attach to the 
> macbookpro I have on borrow, in order to see if I can work with greater ease. 
>  My hands are simply too small for vo commands that are on the same side of 
> the keyboard, and I have already decided when I do get my own machine, it is 
> real in person training for me to be sure!
> so, should I connect the full size keyboard before I turn on the macbook, or 
> wait until everything is fully loaded before I connect?
> I think the former, but want to be sure since I am not used to what 
> constitutes a flawless boot with the macbook pro.
> Thanks,
> Karen
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google chrome

[chad baker]

hi just downloaded chrome and can't type in edit fields
when i type vo don't speak and nothing gets typed
any suggestions
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Re: garageband jampacks and other plugins?

[anouk radix]

Thanks, I will investigate when I get my macbook air and if I cant find 
it i will call the apple store and inquire there and report back.

Greetings, Anouk,
Op 18-8-2011 1:37, Daniel Miller schreef:

Hi,

As far as the JamPacks go, they stopped selling them from their online store
since they were boxed software. Supposedly they're going to start selling
them through the Mac app store, but I have no idea when that will be, so as
far as I know, you can no longer purchase them, but I could be wrong.
I'm not sure about 3rd-party plugins, however.


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of anouk radix
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 5:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: garageband jampacks and other plugins?

Hi,
I ordered my macbook air 11 inch with i7 processor today and because I am
still a student I got 100 euro discount and 75 euro discount as itunes gift
card.
The thing I am looking forward the most, when the air arrives, is toying
with garageband.
I know apple itself developed 5 jampacks for garageband and I was wondering
how you can buy these? Will I be able to use my itunes credit for it/are
they in-app purchases.
I was also wondering if third party developers have msfre plugins for
garageband (extra instruments maybe) and if you can use third party plugins
made for other programs for example through the vst format?
Thanks in advance
Greetings, Anouk,

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