Re: replace Safari with Chrome?
Kevin, I tried Chrome with the speech and I have to tell you that I'm just not impressed. I wonder if there are some settings I should/need to change, but the experience is not quite what I expected. For example, when I type something into a text field, the speech babbles on without a way to stop it. Now of course this may just be a feature not implemented yet. It seems that not all pages speak when loaded. So, do you have some suggestions that might help improve the experience? I'm more than willing to give it a go, but seems something is missing in the experience. Thanks, On Oct 10, 2011, at 1:23 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: Yes, personally, I mainly use Chrome/ChromeVox and absolutely enjoy, appreciate, and can be very productive. I almost never touch Safari and haven't done so since I've been using Chrome web browser. Most of my usof Mac OS X VoiceOver has stopped because of ChromeVox. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, i briefly tried out Chrome today and it seemed to work fine with Vo, even without ChromeVox. Is it safe, from an accessibility standpoint, to use Chrome all the time in place of Safari? I have heard a lot of complaints about Safari being busy all the time, and while I have not found this to be the case yet, I have had some odd experiences with Safari that make me wish for ie or firefox. Chrome seems accessible, so could I use it all the time? Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from my iPod) mehg...@gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: replace Safari with Chrome?
Hi I know this is only different opinions and probably a matter of preference but i'll never stop using voiceover and probably will not begin using chromevox because of it's clumcy navigation, especially when it comes to tables, so if Chrome worked well with vo, and i mean just as well as Safari, i may, just may try it out. /Krister 10 okt 2011 kl. 07:23 skrev Kevin Chao: Yes, personally, I mainly use Chrome/ChromeVox and absolutely enjoy, appreciate, and can be very productive. I almost never touch Safari and haven't done so since I've been using Chrome web browser. Most of my usof Mac OS X VoiceOver has stopped because of ChromeVox. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, i briefly tried out Chrome today and it seemed to work fine with Vo, even without ChromeVox. Is it safe, from an accessibility standpoint, to use Chrome all the time in place of Safari? I have heard a lot of complaints about Safari being busy all the time, and while I have not found this to be the case yet, I have had some odd experiences with Safari that make me wish for ie or firefox. Chrome seems accessible, so could I use it all the time? Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from my iPod) mehg...@gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: replace Safari with Chrome?
As I understand it, though, you don't need ChromeVox except for Google apps, and VO works the rest of the time? Of course you can use ChromeVox all the time, but is it necessary? On 10/10/11, Kevin Chao kevincha...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, personally, I mainly use Chrome/ChromeVox and absolutely enjoy, appreciate, and can be very productive. I almost never touch Safari and haven't done so since I've been using Chrome web browser. Most of my usof Mac OS X VoiceOver has stopped because of ChromeVox. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, i briefly tried out Chrome today and it seemed to work fine with Vo, even without ChromeVox. Is it safe, from an accessibility standpoint, to use Chrome all the time in place of Safari? I have heard a lot of complaints about Safari being busy all the time, and while I have not found this to be the case yet, I have had some odd experiences with Safari that make me wish for ie or firefox. Chrome seems accessible, so could I use it all the time? Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from my iPod) mehg...@gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from GMail website) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: windows on mac? using the mouse and keyboard?
Hi Blake, As David also described, there are a number of problems with bootcamp and windows. Would it be an option for you to start running windows under fusion? On Oct 9, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Blake Hardin wrote: hi im actually using bootcamp On 10/9/11, Paul Erkens paul.erk...@gmail.com wrote: Blake, Are you running windows on the mac using bootcamp, or do you do it using fusion from vmware? Paul. On Oct 9, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Blake Hardin wrote: Hi, I installed windows on my mac but I can't figure out how to use the mouse under windows. Like I can't figure out how to use the jaws curser or window eyes and mouse commands. How do you guys change the keys that your windows system uses for start menu and such? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: moving through folders in mac?
I agree 100% It just easier for me to press the right arrow to open and left arrow to close a folder. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Oct 10, 2011, at 1:05 AM, David Griffith wrote: The easiest way I have found it to put your folder in column view. Command 3. You simply navigate between folders using the arrow keys then. I have set column view as my default view. In In list view if you want to do the same thing I believe you use command [ to move back a folder and command ] to move forward a folder. Personally I cannot be bothered with all that and simply use column view which is very easy. David Griffith On 10 Oct 2011, at 05:44, Blake Hardin wrote: Hi, how do you move back and forth through folders in mac? The only way I know how to do that is hit comand q I believe to close it and it brings me back to the main finder window. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: replace Safari with Chrome?
Can you access the Downloads window with Chrome? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 10:24 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: replace Safari with Chrome? Yes, personally, I mainly use Chrome/ChromeVox and absolutely enjoy, appreciate, and can be very productive. I almost never touch Safari and haven't done so since I've been using Chrome web browser. Most of my usof Mac OS X VoiceOver has stopped because of ChromeVox. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, i briefly tried out Chrome today and it seemed to work fine with Vo, even without ChromeVox. Is it safe, from an accessibility standpoint, to use Chrome all the time in place of Safari? I have heard a lot of complaints about Safari being busy all the time, and while I have not found this to be the case yet, I have had some odd experiences with Safari that make me wish for ie or firefox. Chrome seems accessible, so could I use it all the time? Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from my iPod) mehg...@gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: windows on mac? using the mouse and keyboard?
actually yes it would be posible for me to do that. Sorry when i read his message i got the impression that He was talking generally more about the wireless side of things not the internal things On the mac. Anyway is there a way to do this under fusion? And let me get this straight there is no way under bootcamp? On 10/10/11, Paul Erkens paul.erk...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Blake, As David also described, there are a number of problems with bootcamp and windows. Would it be an option for you to start running windows under fusion? On Oct 9, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Blake Hardin wrote: hi im actually using bootcamp On 10/9/11, Paul Erkens paul.erk...@gmail.com wrote: Blake, Are you running windows on the mac using bootcamp, or do you do it using fusion from vmware? Paul. On Oct 9, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Blake Hardin wrote: Hi, I installed windows on my mac but I can't figure out how to use the mouse under windows. Like I can't figure out how to use the jaws curser or window eyes and mouse commands. How do you guys change the keys that your windows system uses for start menu and such? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: windows on mac? using the mouse and keyboard?
actually yes it would be posible for me to do that. Sorry when i read his message i got the impression that He was talking generally more about the wireless side of things not the internal things On the mac. Anyway is there a way to do this under fusion? And let me get this straight there is no way under bootcamp? On 10/10/11, Paul Erkens paul.erk...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Blake, As David also described, there are a number of problems with bootcamp and windows. Would it be an option for you to start running windows under fusion? On Oct 9, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Blake Hardin wrote: hi im actually using bootcamp On 10/9/11, Paul Erkens paul.erk...@gmail.com wrote: Blake, Are you running windows on the mac using bootcamp, or do you do it using fusion from vmware? Paul. On Oct 9, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Blake Hardin wrote: Hi, I installed windows on my mac but I can't figure out how to use the mouse under windows. Like I can't figure out how to use the jaws curser or window eyes and mouse commands. How do you guys change the keys that your windows system uses for start menu and such? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Open office
x86 means it's for machines using Intel CPUs which any mac laptop since 2006 will be. I haven't played with going 32 or 64 bit but first I'd check if OpenOffice does what you need. CB On 10/7/11 5:24 PM, Oriol Gómez wrote: Hm, why x86? I am running lion on a mid 2010 macbook pro. Should I get a 64 bit version instead? On 10/7/11, Chris Blouchcblo...@aol.com wrote: Where are you downloading it from? Openoffice site should be taking you to http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/stable/3.3.0/OOo_3.3.0_MacOS_x86_install_en-US.dmg CB On 10/7/11 1:04 PM, Christopher Harrington wrote: Hi everyone, I've tried several times to download open office for the mac and have had no luck thus far. Does anyone know of any ways or places to go to get it? Thanks, Chris Harrington -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
iPAD As iPhone?
Hi. If I put a sim card in my iPAD that has data and voice capabilities can I dial any contact and speak to like on a normal cellular? Can I also take incoming calls to the number in the iPAD? Thanks. -- Georges Zeinoun Timmerv. 6A, SE54163 SKÖVDE Tel: +46500201623, +46500482929 Mobile: +46707567315 E-mail: humorlessg...@samobile.net Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
anyway to make Mail go full screen automatically?
Okay, Going full screen on Mail seems to have solved the problem I pointed out yesterday. Thanks to whom ever suggested it. Now, here's the thing. I never had to make Mail go full screen before; but, I was always able to use VO+J to jump between just the message content area and the message table unless I chose to not interact with the messages table. So, how can I restore that behavior without having to press control+command+F to go full screen every time? Something seems to have changed in Mail which is causing it to now be necessary; or, perhaps, this is the way it's really supposed to behave and I'll either just need to find a faster way to deal with conversations or just deal with having to go full screen every time. Oh, my Mail tool bar is not hidden. Thanks. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Trash
Secure empty trash actually writes over the deleted file with random data so it can't be recovered. can't is a squishy word which probably means by typical methods. Details here: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.4/en/mh475.html CB On 10/6/11 11:00 PM, ezzie bueno wrote: Hello list: Just a quick question for you all. What exactly is the difference between emptying the trash and securely emptying the trash? Thanks, Ezzie Ez Bueno Sent from my BrailleNote Apex Skype: sillyez Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sillyez Google Talk: sill...@sillyez.com Google Plus: ezziebu...@gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/sillyez -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: anyway to make Mail go full screen automatically?
In reply to myself, it now appears to be the case that if I go in to the window menu and select to bring all to front, it solved the problem also. Now, Both verticle and horizontal sliders are set to zero, BTW. Also, I went back in to the windows menu and pressed space on Zoom. Not quite sure what that does; but, I'd assume it makes the appearence of the Mail windows larger. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Okay, Going full screen on Mail seems to have solved the problem I pointed out yesterday. Thanks to whom ever suggested it. Now, here's the thing. I never had to make Mail go full screen before; but, I was always able to use VO+J to jump between just the message content area and the message table unless I chose to not interact with the messages table. So, how can I restore that behavior without having to press control+command+F to go full screen every time? Something seems to have changed in Mail which is causing it to now be necessary; or, perhaps, this is the way it's really supposed to behave and I'll either just need to find a faster way to deal with conversations or just deal with having to go full screen every time. Oh, my Mail tool bar is not hidden. Thanks. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPAD As iPhone?
No. I think the closest you'll get is if you were to jailbreak, use something like my3g and then always have a voip application like skype open. On 10/10/2011, Georges Zaynoun humorlessg...@samobile.net wrote: Hi. If I put a sim card in my iPAD that has data and voice capabilities can I dial any contact and speak to like on a normal cellular? Can I also take incoming calls to the number in the iPAD? Thanks. -- Georges Zeinoun Timmerv. 6A, SE54163 SKÖVDE Tel: +46500201623, +46500482929 Mobile: +46707567315 E-mail: humorlessg...@samobile.net Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: iPAD As iPhone?
You will need a SIP client and an account with a VoIP provider to get this functionality. A good client ihave been looking at is Counterpath's Bria client which looks very accessible. A VoIP provider is used to route your calls over the 3G data network. When you are connected to a wifi network your calls will be routed over that instead of the 3G network. VoIP providers can also provide you with incoming numbers for your country. Sent from my iPhone On 2011-10-10, at 12:07 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose bmustillr...@gmail.com wrote: No. I think the closest you'll get is if you were to jailbreak, use something like my3g and then always have a voip application like skype open. On 10/10/2011, Georges Zaynoun humorlessg...@samobile.net wrote: Hi. If I put a sim card in my iPAD that has data and voice capabilities can I dial any contact and speak to like on a normal cellular? Can I also take incoming calls to the number in the iPAD? Thanks. -- Georges Zeinoun Timmerv. 6A, SE54163 SKÖVDE Tel: +46500201623, +46500482929 Mobile: +46707567315 E-mail: humorlessg...@samobile.net Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Problems with VO
Hi all, Firstly, I would like to thank you all for your valuable views. VO doesn't read anything when I type on Google, Twitter, Gmail or Facebook. I've tried changing all the settings, but it still doesn't read anything. However, I'll still try to make some of the changes that you guys suggested. BTW, do you guys use any apps for using Facebook? On 10/10/2011, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hello Rahul, Gigi, and Others, Rahul, I'm wondering whether your problems with not hearing VoiceOver read with typing echo in Safari is because your verbosity settings under VoiceOver Utility. By default, as Gigi described, most list users do not want to hear every key that you type echoed when you use Safari. In fact, the only time I might want to do this is if I am typing in another language with a keyboard that does not use Latin characters that I don't use very frequently -- such as input of Russian, which uses Cyrillic characters that VoiceOver won't announce unless I switch to a Russian voice, and a very different input keyboard layout. Also, as Gigi stated, I was confused, because I wouldn't use Safari for mail. In this case, if you want to have everything echoed, you could either set your verbosity level to high on the fly with VO-V, as well as modify your typing echo settings. For more configuration options, open VoiceOver Utility (with VO-F8, where VO means you should press the VoiceOver Control and Option keys together with the appended key combinations -- in this case, Control+Option+F8). Navigate to the Verbosity category, or use the shortcut Command+2 to select this category. Then, under the General tab, you can set the pop up button for Default Verbosity to High. More realistically, I imagine that you won't want this level of detailed announcement for everything. Instead, customize this for whatever text settings you use by navigating to the Disclosure Triangle for Details and using VO-Space to expand the disclosure triangle. Then navigate to the table and interact. You can separately select settings for text items such as Text, Text Area, and Text Field, navigate to the column for Verbosity setting, and use VO-Space to change the value from Default to High or Custom…. When you are finished selecting your detailed settings, Stop interacting with the table. You might also want to inspect the settings under the Text tab. Select this tab by navigating to it and pressing VO-Space. A number of recent Windows users find it convenient to change the reported position of the cursor from the default value, so that after When moving the cursor: the pop up menu button is set to Speak text to the right of the cursor in order to mimic the settings they are familiar with under Windows. Use Command+W to close the VoiceOver Utility window when you're done. Traci gave you the link to the section of the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide that deals with working with text, including selection. You can bring up the main guide at any time from the VoiceOver help menu with VO-H. However, another really helpful shortcut for copying is VO-Shift-C, which will copy the last phrase VoiceOver announces to the pasteboard. Then you can paste this into a document, mail message, or other text with Command-V. Remember, in general, to interact with your documents and text before trying to select. I can expand on the description in the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide by summarizing that an easy way to remember how to select text is to combine the keyboard shortcuts for movement in text with holding down the Shift key. So although there is a larger set of shortcuts, you can put together most of the sequences to move that use the Command, Option, and arrow keys, with corresponding sequences to select by simply holding down the Shift key when you execute the commands: command+up arrow move to beginning of the document shift+command+up arrowselect to the beginning of the document command+down arrowmove to the end of the document shift+command+down arrow select to the end of the document command+left arrowmove to the beginning of the line shift+command+left arrow select to the beginning of the line command+right arrow move to the end of the line shift+command+right arrow select to the end of the line option+right arrowmove one word to the right shift+option+right arrow select one word to the right option+left arrow move one word to the left shift+option+left arrow select one word to the left option+up arrow move to the beginning of the paragraph shift+option+up arrow select to the beginning of the paragraph option+down arrow move to the end of the paragraph shift+option+down arrow select to the end of the paragraph up arrow move up from present position shift+up arrowselect upward down arrowmove down from present position
Re: a new strange behavior in my mail
Hi Ray. Whenever this happened to me where I got nothing, I have pressed command 1 to take me to my Inbox and then I go down my list of folders. I could probably can command 2 or 3 or something, but I have found that command 1 with pretty good to get back into my folders table. Since I am using column view, own I can press rather arrow when I get to the to able I want. I hope this helps. My mailbox is Now automatically going to full screen. I 1et it that ay, and so far, it seems to stay there. Regards, Gigi On Oct 9, 2011, at 6:16 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Okay, Now this is weird. Until this morning, I have been arrowing up and down through my messages and when I want to read one, I just press VO+J and that interacts with the message content table. When done, I just press VO+J and that usually pulls me right back to the message table. Now, though, when I press VO+J I get pulled back in to the mail boxes table even though I was interacting with the messages table. BTW, when I come to a message conversation, Pressing the return key on it only lets me read the top most message. Is there a better way to view and read conversations without going back to the classic view? Thanks. Any other settings I might consider changing? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Safari sluggishness
Hi Richarj. I'm not sure if this help, but when I've done downloads say from BARD, I have found a button and pressed control option space and it does the download lickity split. In fact, I couldn't believe how fast it did it. Now the only thing was I couldn't figure out how to get up there and find out what the progress was. However, I discovered that if I tried to exit Safari, I was warned about whether i wanted to quit. That happened by accident. Regards, Gigi On Oct 9, 2011, at 9:26 PM, Richard Ring wrote: When I press command option a I hear the word activity and am placed in a window that feels like a table but is not a table. I am not given any options as to how to proceed. So, I am uncertain as to how to erase the cache. I just tried to download an NLS book, and I am unable to check download progress because Safari is constantly busy machine. This machine is 8 days old, this behavior is puzzling. IE 8 in Windows is looking pretty good as of now! On Oct 9, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Scott Howell wrote: I have not encountered this behavior. Have you tried clearing your cache? Option-command-e will get the job done. On Oct 9, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Richard Ring wrote: Hello: I have a brand-new Mac Book Pro here. It has a 2.7 core I7 processor, 4 gigs of ram, and to my way of thinking, that should be enough. When I go to download a file from the Internet, Safari becomes extremely sluggish. This behavior is quite recent. When I first got my wonderful new machine, it worked just fine. However, what has started to happen in the last few days, is this. I find a file I want to download. I start the download process. I stop interacting with html content. I interact with the toolbar. I click the download button. Immediatly, Safari becomes sluggish, saying Safari busy over and over. Accordingly, I cannot look at my download progress at all. I have not downloaded any new software or anything like that. This problem has only started happening this weekend. Is there something I should change in Safari? Just wondering if this is normal behavior and I should shut up and live with it. I hope not, any help would be greatly appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
adding sender do address book
HI all, What is the way to add the sender of a message to address book? Am using mail in lion. Thanks, Ioana -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: adding sender do address book
Pressing command Y will add a sender to your address book. On Oct 10, 2011, at 11:06 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: HI all, What is the way to add the sender of a message to address book? Am using mail in lion. Thanks, Ioana -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: adding sender do address book
Use command-shift-y while you are highlighting a message. HtH, Teresa On Oct 10, 2011, at 11:06 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: HI all, What is the way to add the sender of a message to address book? Am using mail in lion. Thanks, Ioana -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
sending message to list member off list
HI all, Sometimes I just want to write a quick thanks to someone for a good tip but don't know how to send to the sender only. Command r would reply to list. Thanks for our help in helping me thank people off list! Ioana -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: braille development?
Hi, I found that if you are interacting with a message text as it is being read the braille display is following the read text. I am not sure if this is what you are wondering about in the last message. Take care, Iona On Oct 3, 2011, at 4:46 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi. I am waiting for Apple to make it possible for a braille user to let you track when you are reading messages in your mail client. Thus far my braille Essys only goes from one message to another when you are in threaded conversations as this is how I use mail. Let's hope that Apple does more braille development soon. Kawal. On 3 Oct 2011, at 06:56, Teresa Cochran wrote: I use a Focus 40 Blue, and there are many fewer commands assigned for it in Lion than there were in SL. Also, it seems to be impossible to add more Braille keystrokes for the Braille display. It's usable for reading, but not for editing. This is already a known issue; Apple developers are aware of it. I think it just may be a matter of replacing drivers. Anyhow, I'll take the lack of Braille functionality over VO constantly losing its settings any day. Teresa On Oct 2, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: What is broken in lion since sl? Works fine for me. (Sent from my phone) Please check out my new CD at www.ioanagandrabur.com or on itunes. On Oct 1, 2011, at 4:23 PM, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: I'm still on SL. They need to fix braille before I upgrade. I can live with broken braille support til they get'er done but I can't demo broken braille support. I'm eternally glad to hear they've fixed this issue though it is really irritating me in the worst way. Best, Erik Burggraaf This month in Ebony Promos: Two new gps systems for demo. Mac OS Lion When will it be supported? Ebony Consulting at accessibility Unconference Toronto. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-10-01, at 3:42 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Are you using Lion? In my own experience, VO used to do this a lot in Snow, but not at all in Lion. I'm not sure what could be causing the problem. Teresa On Oct 1, 2011, at 12:14 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi all, on average about 4 or 5 times a week voiceover dumps all of my preferences. It happens most often when I am browsing menus but it also happens if I use the script to switch back and fourth between dom and group mode on the web and maybe one or two other happenstances as well Is there anything I can do to minimise this? I have a backup of my settings but it's really annoying to be in the middle of something and have all my speech braille and sound settings go byebuy. Thanks, Erik Burggraaf This month in Ebony Promos: Two new gps systems for demo. Mac OS Lion When will it be supported? Ebony Consulting at accessibility Unconference Toronto. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
How to Copy Mail's autocomplete database to a new Mac
http://www.macworld.com/article/162910/2011/10/copy_mails_autocomplete_database_to_a_new_mac.html#lsrc.twt_macworld Copy Mail's autocomplete database to a new Mac by Lex Friedman, Macworld.com Oct 10, 2011 7:30 am You’ve just started using a brand-new Mac. You launch Mail.app and start to compose an email to a friend. That’s when it hits you: You haven't yet sent any messages on the new machine, so Mail.app hasn't had any addresses to remember, so it can't autocomplete your friend's address when you begin to type his name. Drat! Fortunately, as Marco Arment recently blogged, there’s a way to copy Mail.app’s autocomplete database from your old setup to your new one. (Marco also happens to be the developer of Macworld favorite Instapaper [].) On the original Mac—the one that successfully autocompletes email addresses for you—use the Finder to go to the folder ~/Library/Application Support/AddressBook/. (If you wish, you can select and copy that path here, then go back to the Finder, choose Go - Go To Folder or type Shift-Command-G, and paste the path.) In that folder, you’ll see a document called MailRecents-v4.abcdmr. That file contains the goods! Copy it from your old Mac to your new one through any means you’d like. (If you want to get particularly meta, you could even email it to yourself.) On the new Mac, navigate to that same ~/Library/Application Support/AddressBook/ folder in the Finder, and drag the file you copied into it. (Replace the file that's already there if prompted to do so.) When you relaunch Mail on the new Mac, all of your autocomplete entries should be restored. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: adding sender do address book
Hello Ioana, Command shift Y should do what you wish. On Oct 10, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: HI all, What is the way to add the sender of a message to address book? Am using mail in lion. Thanks, Ioana -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: sending message to list member off list
While you're in the message text, VO till you get to the message headers and interact with it. The first line is usually the sender. Press VO-shift-m to bring up the contextual menu. Choose copy address from this menu. Open a new message with command-n or reply using command-r. Paste using command-v. The address should appear in the to field. HTh, Teresa On Oct 10, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: HI all, Sometimes I just want to write a quick thanks to someone for a good tip but don't know how to send to the sender only. Command r would reply to list. Thanks for our help in helping me thank people off list! Ioana -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Help with my iPhone for?
Hello, Seer is my problem in a nutshell I hope, when playing music on my iPhone, I am hearing pieces of other musical selections in the loo of actual songs that are in my library, what could be caught in this? Is it better to wipe my phone a wall music, and simply we sync the device? Or does this warrant a full phone call to Apple? Note the answer to this question could save me a lot of money, or it could tell me that it's time for me to break down in by the AppleCare protection plan for my phone? In a completely unrelated question but still regarding my phone, it is better to wait for IOS 5, to add my e-mail address at my own domain to my phone? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please note however that I am dictating this message by using Dragon NaturallySpeaking 2.5 for the Mac, so portions of this message may not make very much sense to you. But the rest just sure that it is either the result of either the software, or the dictation process. If you would like to respond to me off list, please fill free to send e-email to. maur...@mmines.net. I only use my Gmail account it seems these days for list traffic. But I do read this list when I have time. Cheers respectfully submitted mores -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Problems with VO
Hi, I am Jenny and I am a brand new mac user. I can't answer your questions cause I don't know how to do those things either, but I am having the same feelings as you are. I am a former jaws user and can't seem to get the hang of Voice Over. I just wanted you to know that I, if no one else, heard your frustration. Even though I can't answer your questions. I'm sorry I am of no use but eventually you will find someone who is of use. Try changing your subject line. Jenny and her goofy guide Brooks On Oct 9, 2011, at 3:04 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote: Hi all, I have been using my MacBook for the last 3 months. And, To be honest, my experience so far has been very, very frustrating. Some of the problems that I've faced so far are: 1. VoiceOver doesn't read anything as I type, so I can't use it for sending messages and emails. It reads every character as I type on TextEdit, but it doesn't read anything when I type on Safari. I've changed the typing echo to 'characters and words', but it's still not reading anything. 2. I don't know how to select anything. How can I select something and paste it somewhere else? 3. VoiceOver doesn't read CAPTCHAs. There is an app which does this for visually impaired people who use Firefox, but VO doesn't work with Firefox. So, in general, I am not as comfortable with VO as I am with JAWS. The worst part is that I've posted these questions so many times, but no one has ever been able to give a satisfactory reply. I really find it hard to understand how people say that they are far happier with VO than they were with JAWS. I mean, how can you enjoy using a screen reader which cannot even perform some of the most basic functions? Please share your views on this matter. Cheers, Rahul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: sending message to list member off list
Hi Iona, When you are in the message content table, interact with it and find the message you want to send a private reply to. Then, you will find 2 areas: the message header, and the text of the message. Put your vo cursor on the header area and interact. Now, you are inside a few lines of text, the first of which is probably the sender of the message that you are goig to reply to. Watch out for this oddity though, because it is not enough to have interacted with the header and putting the vo cursor on the sender. Most of the time, you need to interact again, namely with the text itself. Then, you can move your vo cursor back and forth, and hit vo shift m for the context menu. It takes a little bit of poking around with the vo cursor until you have it on the sender, and only then will the context menu pop up. I have been fighting with this same small issue until I found a note on this very list, telling me how to solve that. So, if your vo shift m menu doesn't come up, you probably forgot to interact with the text itxelf inside the message header, or you didn't have the vo cursor positioned exactly on the sender's name. Hope this helps. Paul. On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: HI all, Sometimes I just want to write a quick thanks to someone for a good tip but don't know how to send to the sender only. Command r would reply to list. Thanks for our help in helping me thank people off list! Ioana -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Problems with VO
Hi, If you are running Lion and have both QuickNav and the one key navigation feature turned on, you will experience no ability to enter text in textfields on web pages. Both QuickNav and one key navigation are great features, but if you use them both, you have to either press left and right arrow keys down at the same time to toggle QN off to enter text, and then turn it on again with the same two keys when you're finished. You might also interact with the text field when you want to write something there, and then stop interaction wehn you're finished. Or, since you're new to VoiceOver, it may be smart to turn off the one key navigation feature in the beginning of your exploration of all the features. You'll find the settings for this in the VoiceOVer Utilities, under the Commander category, and under the QuickNav settings there. HOpe this helps! ;) John André *** John André Netland - Voice/SMS/MMS (+47) 971 68 794 Visit online at www.a-pro-studio.no *** On 10. okt. 2011, at 22:00, Jennifer Perdue wrote: Hi, I am Jenny and I am a brand new mac user. I can't answer your questions cause I don't know how to do those things either, but I am having the same feelings as you are. I am a former jaws user and can't seem to get the hang of Voice Over. I just wanted you to know that I, if no one else, heard your frustration. Even though I can't answer your questions. I'm sorry I am of no use but eventually you will find someone who is of use. Try changing your subject line. Jenny and her goofy guide Brooks On Oct 9, 2011, at 3:04 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote: Hi all, I have been using my MacBook for the last 3 months. And, To be honest, my experience so far has been very, very frustrating. Some of the problems that I've faced so far are: 1. VoiceOver doesn't read anything as I type, so I can't use it for sending messages and emails. It reads every character as I type on TextEdit, but it doesn't read anything when I type on Safari. I've changed the typing echo to 'characters and words', but it's still not reading anything. 2. I don't know how to select anything. How can I select something and paste it somewhere else? 3. VoiceOver doesn't read CAPTCHAs. There is an app which does this for visually impaired people who use Firefox, but VO doesn't work with Firefox. So, in general, I am not as comfortable with VO as I am with JAWS. The worst part is that I've posted these questions so many times, but no one has ever been able to give a satisfactory reply. I really find it hard to understand how people say that they are far happier with VO than they were with JAWS. I mean, how can you enjoy using a screen reader which cannot even perform some of the most basic functions? Please share your views on this matter. Cheers, Rahul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: adding sender do address book
Hi Iona, Command shift y does that. It adds the sender of the currently highlighted message to your address book, and it does this without asking questions. You won't know that command shift y did anything at all, until you check your address book and you see that the sender along with the email address is now there. Sometimes, the first, middle and last names get mixed up in a strange way, where the fields contain the wrong data. So what I usually do is quickly check the address book entry right after having added the sender with command shift y from within lion mail, so that I can correct the name fields immediately. If you don't chances are that the name will not pop up from the address book when you type its first few letters in the to, field in mail. Hth, Paul. On Oct 10, 2011, at 8:10 PM, Hai Nguyen Ly wrote: Hello Ioana, Command shift Y should do what you wish. On Oct 10, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: HI all, What is the way to add the sender of a message to address book? Am using mail in lion. Thanks, Ioana -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: replace Safari with Chrome?
Hi all, Do you guys have both browsers installed on a single Mac? Or do you have to first delete Safari before installing Chrome? Thanks, Johnny On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:29 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Kevin, I tried Chrome with the speech and I have to tell you that I'm just not impressed. I wonder if there are some settings I should/need to change, but the experience is not quite what I expected. For example, when I type something into a text field, the speech babbles on without a way to stop it. Now of course this may just be a feature not implemented yet. It seems that not all pages speak when loaded. So, do you have some suggestions that might help improve the experience? I'm more than willing to give it a go, but seems something is missing in the experience. Thanks, On Oct 10, 2011, at 1:23 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: Yes, personally, I mainly use Chrome/ChromeVox and absolutely enjoy, appreciate, and can be very productive. I almost never touch Safari and haven't done so since I've been using Chrome web browser. Most of my usof Mac OS X VoiceOver has stopped because of ChromeVox. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, i briefly tried out Chrome today and it seemed to work fine with Vo, even without ChromeVox. Is it safe, from an accessibility standpoint, to use Chrome all the time in place of Safari? I have heard a lot of complaints about Safari being busy all the time, and while I have not found this to be the case yet, I have had some odd experiences with Safari that make me wish for ie or firefox. Chrome seems accessible, so could I use it all the time? Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from my iPod) mehg...@gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Johnny Angel! beefca...@neo.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help with my iPhone for?
Ok, if I understand correctly, you launch the iPod app, find a song you want to play, but the whole song doesn't play. Instead, a piece of the song you select plays then switches to another song that a piece of only gets played? I can't seem to replicate this here at the moment. Doug Sent from my iPhone On 2011-10-10, at 5:19 PM, Maurice Mines maurice.mi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Seer is my problem in a nutshell I hope, when playing music on my iPhone, I am hearing pieces of other musical selections in the loo of actual songs that are in my library, what could be caught in this? Is it better to wipe my phone a wall music, and simply we sync the device? Or does this warrant a full phone call to Apple? Note the answer to this question could save me a lot of money, or it could tell me that it's time for me to break down in by the AppleCare protection plan for my phone? In a completely unrelated question but still regarding my phone, it is better to wait for IOS 5, to add my e-mail address at my own domain to my phone? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please note however that I am dictating this message by using Dragon NaturallySpeaking 2.5 for the Mac, so portions of this message may not make very much sense to you. But the rest just sure that it is either the result of either the software, or the dictation process. If you would like to respond to me off list, please fill free to send e-email to. maur...@mmines.net. I only use my Gmail account it seems these days for list traffic. But I do read this list when I have time. Cheers respectfully submitted mores -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: replace Safari with Chrome?
You can mix and match. While removing Safari might have bad side effects, Chrome is just another app which you can install, use and remove at will. So that also means you can have them both launched concurrently. CB On 10/10/11 5:22 PM, Johnny Angel! wrote: Hi all, Do you guys have both browsers installed on a single Mac? Or do you have to first delete Safari before installing Chrome? Thanks, Johnny On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:29 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Kevin, I tried Chrome with the speech and I have to tell you that I'm just not impressed. I wonder if there are some settings I should/need to change, but the experience is not quite what I expected. For example, when I type something into a text field, the speech babbles on without a way to stop it. Now of course this may just be a feature not implemented yet. It seems that not all pages speak when loaded. So, do you have some suggestions that might help improve the experience? I'm more than willing to give it a go, but seems something is missing in the experience. Thanks, On Oct 10, 2011, at 1:23 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: Yes, personally, I mainly use Chrome/ChromeVox and absolutely enjoy, appreciate, and can be very productive. I almost never touch Safari and haven't done so since I've been using Chrome web browser. Most of my usof Mac OS X VoiceOver has stopped because of ChromeVox. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com mailto:mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, i briefly tried out Chrome today and it seemed to work fine with Vo, even without ChromeVox. Is it safe, from an accessibility standpoint, to use Chrome all the time in place of Safari? I have heard a lot of complaints about Safari being busy all the time, and while I have not found this to be the case yet, I have had some odd experiences with Safari that make me wish for ie or firefox. Chrome seems accessible, so could I use it all the time? Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from my iPod) mehg...@gmail.com mailto:mehg...@gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Johnny Angel! beefca...@neo.rr.com mailto:beefca...@neo.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Downgrading From Lion To Snow Leopard
Hi listers, Does anyone have any experience with downgrading from Lion back to Snow Leopard? There are a number of things in Lion that are seriously irritating me, one of which is that my computer came preinstalled with it and, because Lion is only available through the app store or on an external hard drive, I can't reinstall without an Internet connection if I ever run into problems. Also, I prefer the way VoiceOver handles certain pronunciations and inflections in Snow Leopard. Another reason for downgrading is that the driver for my Roland SonicCell, which is a MIDI sound module, is only compatible with Snow Leopard or earlier. By the looks of it, Roland hasn't released an updated driver for it yet, and I can't afford to sit around and wait for that to happen. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Gavin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Downgrading From Lion To Snow Leopard
Hi! Before I installed lion, I backed up my SL install to an external drive using Carbon Copy cloner. Once I discovered that I wasn't happy with lion, I reformatted my macbook's internal drive and used CCC to get snow leopard back onto it. If you didn't make a backup, though, I'm assuming you could use a snow leopard DVD and accomplish essentially the same thing; only difference being that you'd have to reinstall all your other software. I guess my point is that going back to SL should be reasonably simple. I am more or less clueless about the mac, and I managed it. (smile) Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gavin Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 5:42 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Downgrading From Lion To Snow Leopard Hi listers, Does anyone have any experience with downgrading from Lion back to Snow Leopard? There are a number of things in Lion that are seriously irritating me, one of which is that my computer came preinstalled with it and, because Lion is only available through the app store or on an external hard drive, I can't reinstall without an Internet connection if I ever run into problems. Also, I prefer the way VoiceOver handles certain pronunciations and inflections in Snow Leopard. Another reason for downgrading is that the driver for my Roland SonicCell, which is a MIDI sound module, is only compatible with Snow Leopard or earlier. By the looks of it, Roland hasn't released an updated driver for it yet, and I can't afford to sit around and wait for that to happen. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Gavin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Downgrading From Lion To Snow Leopard
Thanks for the quick reply, Missy. Unfortunately, I don't have a Snow Leopard backup. I guess I'm going to have to buy a Îretale Snow Leopard DVD and do a completely clean install. Ah well, it'll be worth it! Regards, Gavin On 10 Oct 2011, at 11:52 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: Hi! Before I installed lion, I backed up my SL install to an external drive using Carbon Copy cloner. Once I discovered that I wasn't happy with lion, I reformatted my macbook's internal drive and used CCC to get snow leopard back onto it. If you didn't make a backup, though, I'm assuming you could use a snow leopard DVD and accomplish essentially the same thing; only difference being that you'd have to reinstall all your other software. I guess my point is that going back to SL should be reasonably simple. I am more or less clueless about the mac, and I managed it. (smile) Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gavin Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 5:42 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Downgrading From Lion To Snow Leopard Hi listers, Does anyone have any experience with downgrading from Lion back to Snow Leopard? There are a number of things in Lion that are seriously irritating me, one of which is that my computer came preinstalled with it and, because Lion is only available through the app store or on an external hard drive, I can't reinstall without an Internet connection if I ever run into problems. Also, I prefer the way VoiceOver handles certain pronunciations and inflections in Snow Leopard. Another reason for downgrading is that the driver for my Roland SonicCell, which is a MIDI sound module, is only compatible with Snow Leopard or earlier. By the looks of it, Roland hasn't released an updated driver for it yet, and I can't afford to sit around and wait for that to happen. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Gavin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help with my iPhone for?
Hi Doug. Have you tried restarting your iPho by holding down the power key until VO says for you to double tap to choose quit. Somebody me that Apple had told her to do this about once a geek. When I restart mine, I hold down the power key and count to five, then release it. It will take about 30 seconds or so and there won't be any noise until iPhone comes back. That's what I'd try if my iPhone were to can this, and I have never had iPod do this on my iPhone. On Oct 10, 2011, at 4:39 PM, Doug Lawlor wrote: Ok, if I understand correctly, you launch the iPod app, find a song you want to play, but the whole song doesn't play. Instead, a piece of the song you select plays then switches to another song that a piece of only gets played? I can't seem to replicate this here at the moment. Doug Sent from my iPhone On 2011-10-10, at 5:19 PM, Maurice Mines maurice.mi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Seer is my problem in a nutshell I hope, when playing music on my iPhone, I am hearing pieces of other musical selections in the loo of actual songs that are in my library, what could be caught in this? Is it better to wipe my phone a wall music, and simply we sync the device? Or does this warrant a full phone call to Apple? Note the answer to this question could save me a lot of money, or it could tell me that it's time for me to break down in by the AppleCare protection plan for my phone? In a completely unrelated question but still regarding my phone, it is better to wait for IOS 5, to add my e-mail address at my own domain to my phone? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please note however that I am dictating this message by using Dragon NaturallySpeaking 2.5 for the Mac, so portions of this message may not make very much sense to you. But the rest just sure that it is either the result of either the software, or the dictation process. If you would like to respond to me off list, please fill free to send e-email to. maur...@mmines.net. I only use my Gmail account it seems these days for list traffic. But I do read this list when I have time. Cheers respectfully submitted mores -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help with my iPhone for?
Hello, no it plays the entire musical selection, such as a song from the Grammy 2011 nominees CD for instance. Then before the next song, or in lieu of the next song. It will play about 35 to 40 seconds of a continuous drum type tapping sound. Then they will repeat this random playing several times and tell the next song appears in the list. I currently have my iPhone set to shuffle. I wonder though if this is also a reflection of my iTunes library as for some reason in my iTunes library there are lots and lots of things that should not be there. Such as many pieces of books that I have listened to in the past, where talking all of the major services here in the United States. I won't know when to the services for purposes of this e-mail. I hope this helped clarify my situation. Thank you very much for reading this. Just know that I am using Dragon 2.5 for the Mac. Philip there are problems in understanding this e-mail that is the reason why. On Oct 10, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Doug Lawlor wrote: Ok, if I understand correctly, you launch the iPod app, find a song you want to play, but the whole song doesn't play. Instead, a piece of the song you select plays then switches to another song that a piece of only gets played? I can't seem to replicate this here at the moment. Doug Sent from my iPhone On 2011-10-10, at 5:19 PM, Maurice Mines maurice.mi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Seer is my problem in a nutshell I hope, when playing music on my iPhone, I am hearing pieces of other musical selections in the loo of actual songs that are in my library, what could be caught in this? Is it better to wipe my phone a wall music, and simply we sync the device? Or does this warrant a full phone call to Apple? Note the answer to this question could save me a lot of money, or it could tell me that it's time for me to break down in by the AppleCare protection plan for my phone? In a completely unrelated question but still regarding my phone, it is better to wait for IOS 5, to add my e-mail address at my own domain to my phone? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please note however that I am dictating this message by using Dragon NaturallySpeaking 2.5 for the Mac, so portions of this message may not make very much sense to you. But the rest just sure that it is either the result of either the software, or the dictation process. If you would like to respond to me off list, please fill free to send e-email to. maur...@mmines.net. I only use my Gmail account it seems these days for list traffic. But I do read this list when I have time. Cheers respectfully submitted mores -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Downgrading From Lion To Snow Leopard
Hi Gavin, The below solution should work, although please note that I have not tried it myself and that I have only been using a Mac for a week. This method will not keep any of your files, settings or applications, so be sure to back them up to an external drive, optical media or online backup service before you begin. Do not use Time Machine in Lion, as when you restore your files after the Snow Leopard installation Lion will be restored also. If you have the Snow Leopard install DVD: 1. Boot into Lion Recovery mode. To do this, reboot/power on your Mac and either hold down Command-R, or hold down Option and select Recovery HD from the list of disks in the Startup Manager (wait about 15 seconds after you've heard the Apple chime to be safe, and then hit the right arrow key followed by enter). 2. If VoiceOver doesn't begin talking (I can't remember off the top of my head whether it starts up automatically in recovery mode or not), hit Command-F5 to load it. 3. In Disk Utility, locate your Macintosh HD and navigate to the Partition tab. 4. Find the Partition Layout drop-down menu and choose 1 Partition. 5. Select the Erase tab, make sure that Mac OS Extended (Journaled) is selected as the filesystem and hit the Erase button. 6. Restart your Mac with the SL DVD in your optical drive and hold down the C key to boot from it. 7. Follow the Snow Leopard installation steps. 8. Restore your files, settings and applications. -- James Scholes http://twitter.com/JamesScholes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Problems with VO
Hi Jenny and other new folks. I'm not a very old-time user of the Mac. I got mine in July. VO is my fifth screen reader to learn. The first computer I learned was an Apple 2 E back in the eighties. You should have heard me screaming also when I was learning Windows with Jaws. Maybe you do this, too, but when I learn a new computer thing I first assume that any problems I encounter, unless I find out to the contrary, are because I don't know what I'm doing yet. I have found this almost always to be the case, but I did find some things which turned out to be better in Jaws than in VO, and vice versa. For instance, Jaws handles braille key inputs better, but VO is less sensitive to braille displays coming on and off and the computer going to sleep. I think there is one thing that Apple could do that would help blind users. When I have called Apple Care, I have had mixed results. Almost always, with one exception that I can remember, I end up being transferred to the Accessibility area, which is where I should have gone in the first place. This last time was particularly frustrating because I had trouble convincing the person that I couldn't follow his instructions to start clicking on the left-hand side of the screen, even though I had given him all the information he needed to know, namely that I couldn't see the screen and was a VoiceOver user. The computer could be programmed to transfer us to someone who has more experience with VoiceOver, and failing that, the person could save themselves time by transferring the call right away. I write all this because I just got an e-mail from the Accessibility Department at Apple, and I have been trying to decide how I want to respond to it. I wrote an e-mail to them telling them about my crashing of Lion last week. Admittedly, I put at the end that, if they had any suggestions of how I could better use VO to get !older versions I would appreciate information about that. The response I got was that they were not equipped do that, and that i should contact Apple Care. I have gotten some assistance by doing that before, but, as I said, it can be a frustrating experience. I think that Apple needs a to give more training voiceOver to more customer service people. Hang in there all new folks. You'll get there sooner or later. Regards, Gigi On Oct 10, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Jennifer Perdue wrote: Hi, I am Jenny and I am a brand new mac user. I can't answer your questions cause I don't know how to do those things either, but I am having the same feelings as you are. I am a former jaws user and can't seem to get the hang of Voice Over. I just wanted you to know that I, if no one else, heard your frustration. Even though I can't answer your questions. I'm sorry I am of no use but eventually you will find someone who is of use. Try changing your subject line. Jenny and her goofy guide Brooks On Oct 9, 2011, at 3:04 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote: Hi all, I have been using my MacBook for the last 3 months. And, To be honest, my experience so far has been very, very frustrating. Some of the problems that I've faced so far are: 1. VoiceOver doesn't read anything as I type, so I can't use it for sending messages and emails. It reads every character as I type on TextEdit, but it doesn't read anything when I type on Safari. I've changed the typing echo to 'characters and words', but it's still not reading anything. 2. I don't know how to select anything. How can I select something and paste it somewhere else? 3. VoiceOver doesn't read CAPTCHAs. There is an app which does this for visually impaired people who use Firefox, but VO doesn't work with Firefox. So, in general, I am not as comfortable with VO as I am with JAWS. The worst part is that I've posted these questions so many times, but no one has ever been able to give a satisfactory reply. I really find it hard to understand how people say that they are far happier with VO than they were with JAWS. I mean, how can you enjoy using a screen reader which cannot even perform some of the most basic functions? Please share your views on this matter. Cheers, Rahul -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are
Re: New audio list
Hi Recardo, I somehow lost the send to address to the Audio Bus list I joined a couple of months ago. Would you please be so kind as to send it to me? Thanks sir, Johnny On Aug 14, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi guys, I just wanted to let you all know there is a new audio list for those who are interested. We'll be dealing with audio production and editing primarily. The list isn't app or OS specific. The list will be slanted towards the beginner and semi professional. I hope to see many of you there. You can join at http://groups.google.com/group/audiobuffs hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Johnny Angel! beefca...@neo.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
installing lion
hello, i have purchased, downloaded and successfully burned lion to a dvd. but i want to start the actual install. how do i restart the install since i apparently closed the window with the continue installation button. thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Download folder
Hi all, Well here's yet another newbie question for you all: Well I interacted with a podcast link in one of Recardo's posts and pressed the keys to bring up the context menu. I pressed enter on download link file to download the file to my download folder. But, when I went to look for the file, it was not there. What am I doing wrong? Thanks everyone for all your kind helpfulness! Johnny Johnny Angel! beefca...@neo.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Embeded
Hi folks, In Lion mail, how does one invoke an embeded URL link in an email I sent myself from my home Windows computer? Thanks again all! Johnny Johnny Angel! beefca...@neo.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Downgrading From Lion To Snow Leopard
Hey guys! Do you all agree that this is a good idea for us to do? Just curious in Erie On Oct 10, 2011, at 6:25 PM, James Scholes wrote: Hi Gavin, The below solution should work, although please note that I have not tried it myself and that I have only been using a Mac for a week. This method will not keep any of your files, settings or applications, so be sure to back them up to an external drive, optical media or online backup service before you begin. Do not use Time Machine in Lion, as when you restore your files after the Snow Leopard installation Lion will be restored also. If you have the Snow Leopard install DVD: 1. Boot into Lion Recovery mode. To do this, reboot/power on your Mac and either hold down Command-R, or hold down Option and select Recovery HD from the list of disks in the Startup Manager (wait about 15 seconds after you've heard the Apple chime to be safe, and then hit the right arrow key followed by enter). 2. If VoiceOver doesn't begin talking (I can't remember off the top of my head whether it starts up automatically in recovery mode or not), hit Command-F5 to load it. 3. In Disk Utility, locate your Macintosh HD and navigate to the Partition tab. 4. Find the Partition Layout drop-down menu and choose 1 Partition. 5. Select the Erase tab, make sure that Mac OS Extended (Journaled) is selected as the filesystem and hit the Erase button. 6. Restart your Mac with the SL DVD in your optical drive and hold down the C key to boot from it. 7. Follow the Snow Leopard installation steps. 8. Restore your files, settings and applications. -- James Scholes http://twitter.com/JamesScholes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Johnny Angel! beefca...@neo.rr.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: replace Safari with Chrome?
Hi Scott, Google accessibility has a great, thorough, and complete feedback form that they monitor constantly, add issues to bug tracker, and based on demand/priorities, will address very rapidly. Please visit: https://services.google.com/fb/forms/accessibilityfeedback/ and provide Google accessibility feedback regarding the various areas you find in Chrome web browser, ChromeVox, Docs accessibility, Calendar, Gmail, and/or any other Google product to be lacking. Google, like most other companies, including Apple prefers that feedback be provided in form of one issue per report. * Currently, there's not a way to turn off typing echo, but please suggest it as a feature request using feedback form above. * Do you have examples of pages that don't speak? If so, please provide them and what you did up until ChromeVox stopped speaking. Please, can you post them here as well as using feedback form above? Note: Currently, preferences, menus, and Chrome Web Store do not speak, but this is deu to security regarding extensions not working in these environments, but Google accessibility has indicated that a fix will be out for ChromeVox soon addressing this very issue. Kevin On 10/10/11, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Kevin, I tried Chrome with the speech and I have to tell you that I'm just not impressed. I wonder if there are some settings I should/need to change, but the experience is not quite what I expected. For example, when I type something into a text field, the speech babbles on without a way to stop it. Now of course this may just be a feature not implemented yet. It seems that not all pages speak when loaded. So, do you have some suggestions that might help improve the experience? I'm more than willing to give it a go, but seems something is missing in the experience. Thanks, On Oct 10, 2011, at 1:23 AM, Kevin Chao wrote: Yes, personally, I mainly use Chrome/ChromeVox and absolutely enjoy, appreciate, and can be very productive. I almost never touch Safari and haven't done so since I've been using Chrome web browser. Most of my usof Mac OS X VoiceOver has stopped because of ChromeVox. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, i briefly tried out Chrome today and it seemed to work fine with Vo, even without ChromeVox. Is it safe, from an accessibility standpoint, to use Chrome all the time in place of Safari? I have heard a lot of complaints about Safari being busy all the time, and while I have not found this to be the case yet, I have had some odd experiences with Safari that make me wish for ie or firefox. Chrome seems accessible, so could I use it all the time? Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from my iPod) mehg...@gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: replace Safari with Chrome?
Chris, Alex, and others: There are many things that i use a computer for, both professionally and academically. Unfortunately Safari/VoiceOver doesn't work effectively or efficiently for me. So, Google Chrome Web Browser and ChromeVox addresses most of these things very well. For example, Docs, Gmail, Calendar, CourseSmart, Blackboard, campus resources, and many other things are stuff I use and need all of the time, such as every single day. Let me provide background of why I cannot use VoiceOver, Safari, and iWork (all due to limitations in one or all of these applications): Safari/VoiceOver cannot do or has trouble with: * Tab browsing (actual tab browsing): when cycling among tabs, VoiceOver doesn't speak title of tab that gains focus. * While navigating within HTML content, VoiceOver often loses focus. * HTML content is some times empty or VoiceOver tries to interact with a title that does not exist. * Navigate to next/previoussHTML element with 4-key method or single-letter HTML nav will not be able to find elements, will report headings not found, but subsequent presses will find it. * single-letter HTML nav is slow, doesn't always work, and requires several attempts. * item chooser and web rotor often times are missing elements. * VoiceOver will crash or get in a busy loop. Note: * Most of these issues occur in Webkit, Lightning, and Chrome as well. They're VoiceOver issues. * ChromeVox with Chrome have none of these issues at all. In fact, it works exceptionally well. iWork and VoiceOver * Pages has no pre-defined keyboard shortcuts for common task, such as headings, lists, etc. * Pages: VoiceOver does not support/see tables * Numbers: verbose cell coordinate info spoken when navigating. * Numbers: when selecting cells, VoiceOver only speaks x cells selected, which is not at all useful. Note: * I've tried OpenOffice, LibraOffice, Bean, and Tables. They all have their own unique bugs, quirks, and issues, which make them less than ideal, especially when compared to iWork. * All of this is possible, works very well, and is efficient with Google Docs and ChromeVox. Now, to answer your questions: q: As I understand it, though, you don't need ChromeVox except for Google apps and VO works the rest of the time? a: Yes, I absolutely need, must have, and am required to use Google Chrome web browser with ChromeVox extension. No, VoiceOver does not work the rest or most of the time. q: Of course you can use ChromeVox all the time, but is it necessary? a: Yes, it's absolutely necessary. Kevin On 10/10/11, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: As I understand it, though, you don't need ChromeVox except for Google apps, and VO works the rest of the time? Of course you can use ChromeVox all the time, but is it necessary? On 10/10/11, Kevin Chao kevincha...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, personally, I mainly use Chrome/ChromeVox and absolutely enjoy, appreciate, and can be very productive. I almost never touch Safari and haven't done so since I've been using Chrome web browser. Most of my usof Mac OS X VoiceOver has stopped because of ChromeVox. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, i briefly tried out Chrome today and it seemed to work fine with Vo, even without ChromeVox. Is it safe, from an accessibility standpoint, to use Chrome all the time in place of Safari? I have heard a lot of complaints about Safari being busy all the time, and while I have not found this to be the case yet, I have had some odd experiences with Safari that make me wish for ie or firefox. Chrome seems accessible, so could I use it all the time? Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from my iPod) mehg...@gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from GMail website) mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed
Selecting, Copying, and Pasting text with a Keyboard on an iOS device [was Re: Copying and pasting]
Hi Jenn, Yes, the Think Outside Stowaway Keyboard is a good keyboard for doing editing with select, copy, and paste. I'll cc this reply to the macvisionaries list, since the same actions used to select, copy, and paste text with a Bluetooth keyboard on an iOS device will work on the Mac. Since you select text by holding down the Shift key and using combinations of the arrow keys along with the three keys at the bottom left of the keyboard (in order: Control, Command or Windows key when used with a PC, and Option or Alt key when used with a PC), you should not be in QuickNav mode for the editing. In fact, when you press VO-Space, meaning Control+Option+Space, to do the equivalent of double tap to start editing the text, you should hear VoiceOver say QuickNav off if you had it turned on. If you're in the text file, you can navigate with your arrow keys and shortcut sequences. Adding a press of the Shift key to these movement shortcut combinations will let you add these characters, words, lines, etc. that you move through to your selected text, which VoiceOver will announce as selected. Left or right arrow keys move you by character Option+Left or right arrow keys move you by word Up or down arrow keys move you by line Either Control or Command+Left arrow moves you to the beginning of a line, and Control or Command+Right arrow moves to the end of a line Either Control or Command+Up arrow moves you to the beginning of the text, and Control or Command+Down arrow moves to the end of the text You can also select all with Command-A, copy with Command-C, cut with Command-X, and paste with Command-V To undo use Command-Z and to redo use Command-Shift-Z In earlier versions of iOS4, only the Command key in combination with the arrow keys would get announced by VoiceOver as selected. In later versions, including the current one, you can use either the Control key or the Command key together with the arrow keys to move or select to the beginning or end of a line, or to the beginning or end of the text. This now works this way for Mac computers, too, and presumably is because iOS device users may be using keyboards without a Command key. The Think Outside Stowaway keyboard has both a Control key (bottom row, left-most key) and a Command key (bottom row, key to the right of the Control key), so you can use either. You can press the Shift key with the pinkie of your left hand, and then press the Command key with the ring finger your left hand, and the arrow keys with your right hand. Alternatively, you could press the Shift and Control keys together with the pinkie of your left hand laid flat across both keys (tip on the Shift key and next join on the Control key), and then press the arrow keys with your right hand. I find it easiest to slide the ring finger of my left hand to the Shift key, and then use the middle finger to press Command and the index finger to press the Option key in combination with arrow keys pressed with my right hand when I am selecting and copying text. You may want to experiment with what works best for you. An exception to the statement that you can simply select by adding a key press on the Shift key to the movement key shortcut on the Sonoma model of the Think Outside Stowaway keyboard (the one with 4 rows of keys that you have), is that you cannot select backwards to the top of the text with Command or Control+Shift+Up arrow. This combination works on both the Apple Wireless Keyboard, and the Sierra model of the Think Outside Stowaway keyboard (the one with 5 rows of keys, including a dedicated row of number keys at the top). You can select forwards from a point in the middle of your text to the end of the text with Control or Command+Shift+Down arrow, but the same command substituting Up arrow to select from current position to the beginning of the text apparently conflicts. Similarly, on the 4-row Stowaway keyboard, you cannot select by lines in the backwards direction with Shift+Up arrow. This sequence generates a question mark. However, again, the combination works for both the Apple Wireless keyboard and the 5-row Sierra model of the Think Outside Stowaway keyboard. Most people get confused about selecting and copying text in the backwards direction anyway, so this probably won't be an issue for you. There are no difficulties moving your selection backwards by words or characters. As long as you continue to hold down the shift key, you can change to any of the other key combinations to continue your selection. So for example, if I want to move a section of text from the end of a mail message to the beginning of the note, I could use the cursor movement keys to arrow down to the start of the section I wanted to select, press Shift+Command+Down arrow to select from that point to the end of the text. Then, if I want to back up from the selection from the signature I can keep the Shift key pressed and change from
