Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-31 Thread Christopher Hallsworth
Didn't the NFB or ACB kind of force Apple to develop a screen reader in 
line with the ADA? This may be something I just read and so is pure 
speculation.


On 31/03/2015 00:56, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

I wonder what the catalyst was for Apple’s ultimate choice to develop their 
screen reader?  The education sector?  Government?  The mythical two blind 
sons?  Certainly the APIs are now available for the development of an AT 
solution, so it’s entirely possible, technically.  But it doesn’t surprise me 
to learn that the Jobsian quest for perfection extended further back even than 
Apple’s introduction of their own usable screen reader, to the exclusion of 
others; I had not heard that story, and merely assumed that OS 9 was the choice 
of blind musicians (one of whom I knew) because it happened to be accessible 
with OutSpoken.  Although I’m not complaining that I didn’t have to pay for 
VoiceOver, there’s something to be said for diversification when it actually 
has the effect of giving the customer what they ultimately desire.

For my current weekly bash at Apple, see:
http://www.applevis.com/forum/accessibility-advocacy/suggestion-report-accessibility-bug-friday

Sometimes it’s the little things, sometimes not so little.  I only started it 
recently, because I think the situation for Yosemite is particularly 
disturbing, but many of those niggles go back to the very beginning.  And yes I 
think iOS is starting to feel the effects now as well.  It’s very fortunate 
that none of these issues currently make the platforms unusable.



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Re: Group The Tech Zone

2015-03-31 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

Awesome.  Just joined.

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Subject: Group The Tech Zone



Hi all,
I will try and stay as on topic as possible, but if you want to join a 
friendly group with members across the board, please join my group The 
Tech Zone. While this is a general technology group, I certainly welcome 
discussions pertaining to Mac and iOS devices and their operating systems.

So to join please send a blank email to
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Thank you, I look forward to seeing you on there!
P.S. The web interface of Groups.io is certainly very accessible with 
VoiceOver! The developers have ensured the site meets at least basic 
accessibility standards.


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Group The Tech Zone

2015-03-31 Thread Christopher Hallsworth

Hi all,
I will try and stay as on topic as possible, but if you want to join a 
friendly group with members across the board, please join my group The 
Tech Zone. While this is a general technology group, I certainly welcome 
discussions pertaining to Mac and iOS devices and their operating systems.

So to join please send a blank email to
the-tech-zone+subscr...@groups.io
Thank you, I look forward to seeing you on there!
P.S. The web interface of Groups.io is certainly very accessible with 
VoiceOver! The developers have ensured the site meets at least basic 
accessibility standards.


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Re: Help me decide: Ecto vs. Mars Edit

2015-03-31 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Is Ecto still under development? I thought it had stopped being developed years 
ago.
/Krister

 31 mar 2015 kl. 01:28 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com:
 
 Guys,
 
 I must admit that I am fairly familiar with the Mars Edit application, but 
 when it comes to the Wordpress side of things, modifying, editting, and 
 composing content, what really are the main differences between Mars Edit and 
 Ecto, aside the obvious of price?
 
 Does one of them gain or lack more features than the other, or is it more 
 just mainly a matter of user preference?
 
 I'm very very much willing to try out Ecto and see how much I like it in 
 comparison, but I'm just wonderring if any of you have used Ecto, and maybe 
 can give me some pointers as to the differences, should there be any.  I know 
 for a fact that both of them are totally 100% accessible.
 
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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-31 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Hi,
I was under the impression that Berkeley systems got bought by Alva and, this 
is my own theory, they, Alva were more interested in Outspoken for Windows than 
they were of the mac version. Am i correct in any of this?
/Krister

 30 mar 2015 kl. 21:53 skrev David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com:
 
 Hello,
 
 Apple attempted to get Freedom Scientific to create a screen reader for OSX. 
 FS refused, so Apple took development in-house.
 
 Berkeley Systems was a small company. I visited their offices once in the mid 
 90's. I suspect Apple did not wish to use a small group for screen reader 
 development again after Berkeley Systems went out-of-business.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 31 Mar 2015, at 07:37, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk 
 mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 On 30 Mar 2015, at 19:26, Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com 
 mailto:fassl@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Correct me if I'm wrong but the reason Apple developed voiceover in the 
 first place was that the only  company making a screen reader for Mac OS 
 went out of business. If that company couldn't survive before voiceover, it 
 certainly couldn't survive now.
 
 
 I was already a Mac user back when OS X first came out and Alva Access Group 
 was still in business and wanted to make a screenReader for OS X. However, 
 Apple would not give them access to the necessary information and it was a 
 few years before it became clear that Apple had decided to make its own 
 screen reader.
 
 Along with quite a few other blind Mac users, I was unable to progress 
 beyond OS9 and in fact remained with OS 8 as it was still working for me.
 
 I protested vociferously to Apple about the lack of a screen reader and 
 jumped on the public beta of VoiceOver in the summer of 2004. It was then 
 known as the Spoken Interface.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
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Voice Dream Reader - Bug in latest Version?

2015-03-31 Thread Mike Busboom
Hello everyone,

One of my favourite apps, if not !the! favorite one, is Voice Dream Reader, 
which I use every day.  I am using the latest version of the app which, 
according to the Help documentation is version 3.30.  I am also using the 
latest version of iOS8 on an iPhone 6 with 64 GB.

I seem to have found a bug in the program, and I am wondering if this list is 
the place for reporting bugs in specific apps.  The bug I seem to have 
encountered is with looking up words.  

In earlier versions, I was able to select a word and look it up in the 
dictionary.  In the app’s current iteration, whenever I try looking up a word, 
the app says: “No definition found.”  All is not lost, however, because the app 
still allows you to search the Web for the word.

I am wondering if anyone else is encountering this issue.  And while on the 
subject of Voice Dream Reader, does anyone know if there is a mailing list 
dedicated to the discussion of this app, as well as Voice Dream Writer?

Thanks in advance,

Mike

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Re: Moderation of the list

2015-03-31 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi Chris,

thanks for the info.  If you're still in touch with Cara at all, you might 
suggest that if she's no longer engaged with this list, she might want to pass 
the mod hat onto someone else.
Cheers,
Donna
 On Mar 30, 2015, at 9:06 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 I know Cara Quinn was the one who set me up to do the account admin stuff. 
 Whom else besides here I don't know.
 
 As far as I know this list is moderated under a 'management by exception' 
 process. Generally all messages sent get immediately distributed to all 
 members. This makes the list very responsive 24x7 as nobody has to wait for a 
 moderator to get around to approving their posts. This also means a bad actor 
 can temporarily post junk, but overall it's worked well for years.
 
 CB
 
 On 3/30/15 1:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
 Chris,
 
 Thank you!  I was 100% confident that you would get to the bottom of this. 
 Please might I ask going forward who the actual moderator(s) are?
 
 There is no need for you to apologize, as far as I see things. You simply 
 were doing your job, and you have a life outside this list.  Those who 
 expected you to instantly do something frankly are the ones who were out of 
 line, in my not so humble opinion.
 
 Anyway, as I said, thank you for doing this.  It is very much appreciated.
 
 Chris.
 
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 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:20 AM
 Subject: Moderation of the list
 
 
 Wanted to let you all know that the account in question is now blocked
 from the list. I should point out a couple things:
 
 1. I'm not the moderator, I just help out with registering new users, as
 many of you already know. By nature of that role I can also help folks
 out by fiddling with their accounts. While I may be overstepping my
 role, it was obvious to me that this cup of sewage was spoiling our
 barrel of wine.
 
 2. I went through the history of postings from when the account was
 added in 2011 and the screeds of late do not seem to be of the same
 person. I suspect the account somehow got hacked and the new owner
 decided to have some 'fun' by trolling our list. The original poster was
 usually on-topic up through December of last year and then went silent.
 Suddenly he pops up on the list with 27 posts in two days of a most
 unpleasant nature.
 
 3. I'm not familiar enough with how this system works to know if we can
 delete the messages. I'll poke around and find out. That won't help your
 inbox but it might be some solace to the real owner of the account whose
 name is now associated with the recent unpleasantness.
 
 Sorry for not pulling the plug sooner. I'm not on my email as often on
 weekends.
 
 CB
 
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Re: Fwd: This Needs to Stop

2015-03-31 Thread mattias

can someone ban Shawn


mário navarro skrev den 2015-03-29 19:17:



I received this message from Shawn
time: 2 minutes.


This proves what I said in the last message I wrote to  all

 read below:
from Shawn


 Mensagem Original 
Assunto:This Needs to Stop
Data:   Sun, 29 Mar 2015 10:19:35 -0600
De: BBS bbssh...@icloud.com
Para:   mario@gmail.com



Mario, grow the fuck up. Just because iOS and possibly OS X isn't 
going the way you want it to go doesn't mean you have to shit on 
everybody on these lists. I mean, Mac Visionaries and Viphone are 
family oriented lists. People should be able to write to these lists 
without having to feel alienated. Even kids right to these lists. You 
don't know that. Show some fucking common sense and stop this 
bullshit. Go fuck your best friend Pablo Morales. I bet he would like 
it. Oh and by the way, feet doesn't have an S. The singular word for 
feet is foot and the plurrel form is feet. Why don't you stop learning 
how to cuss people out and learn to speak proper English you dumb 
fuck. Oh yeah, you're probably fuking Pablo up the ass so you don't 
have time for that. Oh yeah, and if your tiny little brain can 
comprehend this, *DO Not* reply to this email 'cause I don't give a 
shit what you have to say and I'll delete it. Again, grow the fuck up.

Shawn
Sent From My White Macbook


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Re: My Appologies

2015-03-31 Thread mattias

if someone are a idiot you are

BBS skrev den 2015-03-29 19:56:
Hey guys. I'm sorry for writing off list to that idiot Mario. If that 
ruins my reputation on this list and if you think I should be punished 
for it, I can accept that. I wasn't aware that he was gonna forward my 
email that was personally meant for him off list so again, I apologize 
and will just delete anything that he sends from now on.

Shawn
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Re: Voice Dream Reader - Bug in latest Version?

2015-03-31 Thread Mike Busboom
This was very helpful, Alex; thank you.

Mike

 On 31,Mar,2015, at 14:33, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I don't use the dictionary so haven't run into this, but I can say that 
 emailing supp...@voicedreamapp.com mailto:supp...@voicedreamapp.com, or 
 mentioning @VoiceDreamApp on Twitter, will usually get you a response.
 On Mar 31, 2015, at 4:39 AM, Mike Busboom mbusb...@gmail.com 
 mailto:mbusb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 One of my favourite apps, if not !the! favorite one, is Voice Dream Reader, 
 which I use every day.  I am using the latest version of the app which, 
 according to the Help documentation is version 3.30.  I am also using the 
 latest version of iOS8 on an iPhone 6 with 64 GB.
 
 I seem to have found a bug in the program, and I am wondering if this list 
 is the place for reporting bugs in specific apps.  The bug I seem to have 
 encountered is with looking up words.  
 
 In earlier versions, I was able to select a word and look it up in the 
 dictionary.  In the app’s current iteration, whenever I try looking up a 
 word, the app says: “No definition found.”  All is not lost, however, 
 because the app still allows you to search the Web for the word.
 
 I am wondering if anyone else is encountering this issue.  And while on the 
 subject of Voice Dream Reader, does anyone know if there is a mailing list 
 dedicated to the discussion of this app, as well as Voice Dream Writer?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Mike
 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader - Bug in latest Version?

2015-03-31 Thread Alex Hall
I don't use the dictionary so haven't run into this, but I can say that 
emailing supp...@voicedreamapp.com, or mentioning @VoiceDreamApp on Twitter, 
will usually get you a response.
 On Mar 31, 2015, at 4:39 AM, Mike Busboom mbusb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello everyone,
 
 One of my favourite apps, if not !the! favorite one, is Voice Dream Reader, 
 which I use every day.  I am using the latest version of the app which, 
 according to the Help documentation is version 3.30.  I am also using the 
 latest version of iOS8 on an iPhone 6 with 64 GB.
 
 I seem to have found a bug in the program, and I am wondering if this list is 
 the place for reporting bugs in specific apps.  The bug I seem to have 
 encountered is with looking up words.  
 
 In earlier versions, I was able to select a word and look it up in the 
 dictionary.  In the app’s current iteration, whenever I try looking up a 
 word, the app says: “No definition found.”  All is not lost, however, because 
 the app still allows you to search the Web for the word.
 
 I am wondering if anyone else is encountering this issue.  And while on the 
 subject of Voice Dream Reader, does anyone know if there is a mailing list 
 dedicated to the discussion of this app, as well as Voice Dream Writer?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Mike
 
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Re: Sharing videos, making them smaller

2015-03-31 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

In QuickTime, use the Export feature.  If you select iPhone, iPad and AppleTV, 
it will compress it considerably smaller.  I had a 2.69 GB .mov file that would 
export to either 800 MB, 600 MB or 200 MB.  Using those compression factors, 
you should be able to reduce the size of your movies considerably.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 31, 2015, at 18:39, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:

Hi all,
I have two videos that my husband took that I’d like to share with someone.
I zipped them in separate files and put them into dropbox. That was at about 
1:00 this afternoon. They’re still uploading.
Is there some way I can make them smaller and then send them to my friend via 
email?
I saved them as mov files in quicktime but that didn’t change the size. One is 
98 mb and the other is even bigger.
All help is appreciated.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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Re: Sharing videos, making them smaller

2015-03-31 Thread Phil Halton
I use handbrake to compress the videos I make. I just the default settings and 
it really backs them down to a reasonable size, around 60% of original size. I 
don’t really understand all the settings in handbrake, but there is a 
compression factor percentage that you can fiddle with to get even smaller 
videos.

 On Mar 31, 2015, at 9:33 PM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Thanks Tim,
 I did that but it didn’t reduce them much.
 
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
   
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 On Mar 31, 2015, at 8:00 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com 
 mailto:kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 In QuickTime, use the Export feature.  If you select iPhone, iPad and 
 AppleTV, it will compress it considerably smaller.  I had a 2.69 GB .mov 
 file that would export to either 800 MB, 600 MB or 200 MB.  Using those 
 compression factors, you should be able to reduce the size of your movies 
 considerably.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Mar 31, 2015, at 18:39, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I have two videos that my husband took that I’d like to share with someone.
 I zipped them in separate files and put them into dropbox. That was at about 
 1:00 this afternoon. They’re still uploading.
 Is there some way I can make them smaller and then send them to my friend 
 via email?
 I saved them as mov files in quicktime but that didn’t change the size. One 
 is 98 mb and the other is even bigger.
 All help is appreciated.
 
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
  
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Re: Copying the contents of a pdf file into textedit

2015-03-31 Thread Barry Hadder
I don’t know of a way to select text in a pdf, but I can tell you how to get 
all of the text into rtf or plain.
The easiest way is to create an Automator workflow like the following.

1.  open Automator and choose the services template.
2.  Interact with the work flow area and set the service to have no input and 
to only work with Preview.
3.  Add the following actions to the work flow: run apple script, get specified 
finder items, and extract pdf text.  You want them in that order.
4.  Interact with the run apple script action and enter the following in the 
input field:
on run
tell application “Preview”
path of document of front window
end tell
end run
5.  Interact with the extract pdf text action and configure it to output plain 
text or rtf as you prefer.
6.  Save it.

That should get the job done.  It should also show up in the services menu of 
Preview.  I’m sure you can think of ways to fine tune this idea to better meet 
your needs.
Note that I have found that the extract pdf text action doesn’t seem to work 
with multi lingual pdfs for some reason.


On Mar 31, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Chris Moore chris.w...@gmail.com wrote:

The subject says it all.  
When in the pdf viewer, how do I select text?  I tried cmd+a which didn’t do 
anything.  

The next question is how to add textedit to the services menu in pdf viewer?

TIA
Chris

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Re: Copying the contents of a pdf file into textedit

2015-03-31 Thread Phil Halton
Chris,
when you open a pdf in preview, the default pdf viewer, you need to interact 
twice in the pdf content group. then you can VO arrow up and down through the 
text, or select the entire text with command-A.
Just copy and paste into a textedit window and you have it.
As to setting up text edit as a choice in services, go to system prefs and the 
keyboard pane. select the shortcuts tab, and then select services in the 
categories table.  In the shortcuts table, arrow down to the text category and 
then further down to “new textedit window with selection”, . and Make sure it 
is checked. Now “new textedit window with selection” should show up as an 
option in the services menu. I think if you don’t have anything selected, you 
won’t see that option - have to select something first.

BTW: the text category is way down the list and its easier to just jump to the 
bottom of the table and move back up until you hit “new textedit window with 
selection”.

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 The subject says it all.  
 When in the pdf viewer, how do I select text?  I tried cmd+a which didn’t do 
 anything.  
 
 The next question is how to add textedit to the services menu in pdf viewer?
 
 TIA
 Chris
 
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Re: message question on the mac

2015-03-31 Thread John Panarese
   Return should work on the Mac.  You are seeing the conversation history on 
the Mac?  Do you receive any error message when you press the return key?


Take Care

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 Hello all,
 If I am trying to send a message from my mac in reply to a text message in 
 the messages app, how do I go about sending the message?  I tried pressing 
 return, but that didn’t seem to work.  Thanks for the help,
 Brian
 
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Re: Apple Script: Shut down the Mac

2015-03-31 Thread Chris Moore
Chris,
afplay doesn’t produce any sound on my mac min running yosemite.  Too bad 
because is seems like a handy utility.

Chris

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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-31 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
According to wikipedia Berkeley systems was bought out by Sierra Online 
in 1997 for $13.8M. Sierra was bought by Vivendi and apparently was then 
folded into iwin.com. I've met Peter Korn who was one of the primary 
Windows developers of outspoken. A very smart and gentle person.


CB

On 3/31/15 3:57 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

Hi,
I was under the impression that Berkeley systems got bought by Alva 
and, this is my own theory, they, Alva were more interested in 
Outspoken for Windows than they were of the mac version. Am i correct 
in any of this?

/Krister

30 mar 2015 kl. 21:53 skrev David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com 
mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com:


Hello,

Apple attempted to get Freedom Scientific to create a screen reader 
for OSX. FS refused, so Apple took development in-house.


Berkeley Systems was a small company. I visited their offices once in 
the mid 90's. I suspect Apple did not wish to use a small group for 
screen reader development again after Berkeley Systems went 
out-of-business.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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On 31 Mar 2015, at 07:37, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk 
mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:



Hello,

On 30 Mar 2015, at 19:26, Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com 
mailto:fassl@gmail.com wrote:


Correct me if I'm wrong but the reason Apple developed voiceover in 
the first place was that the only  company making a screen reader 
for Mac OS went out of business. If that company couldn't survive 
before voiceover, it certainly couldn't survive now.



I was already a Mac user back when OS X first came out and Alva 
Access Group was still in business and wanted to make a screenReader 
for OS X. However, Apple would not give them access to the necessary 
information and it was a few years before it became clear that Apple 
had decided to make its own screen reader.


Along with quite a few other blind Mac users, I was unable to 
progress beyond OS9 and in fact remained with OS 8 as it was still 
working for me.


I protested vociferously to Apple about the lack of a screen reader 
and jumped on the public beta of VoiceOver in the summer of 2004. It 
was then known as the Spoken Interface.


Cheers,

Anne


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Re: Moderation of the list

2015-03-31 Thread The Believer
   In the meantime, self moderation would work just fine...if people 
were so inclined.


From The Believer. . .
   By way of the Chariots of the
Gods cameth the Aliens who
dwelt amongst the humans,
and bringeth much knowledge.

On 3/31/2015 4:44 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hi Chris,

thanks for the info.  If you're still in touch with Cara at all, you might 
suggest that if she's no longer engaged with this list, she might want to pass 
the mod hat onto someone else.
Cheers,
Donna

On Mar 30, 2015, at 9:06 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:

I know Cara Quinn was the one who set me up to do the account admin stuff. Whom 
else besides here I don't know.

As far as I know this list is moderated under a 'management by exception' 
process. Generally all messages sent get immediately distributed to all 
members. This makes the list very responsive 24x7 as nobody has to wait for a 
moderator to get around to approving their posts. This also means a bad actor 
can temporarily post junk, but overall it's worked well for years.

CB

On 3/30/15 1:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Chris,

Thank you!  I was 100% confident that you would get to the bottom of this. 
Please might I ask going forward who the actual moderator(s) are?

There is no need for you to apologize, as far as I see things. You simply were 
doing your job, and you have a life outside this list.  Those who expected you 
to instantly do something frankly are the ones who were out of line, in my not 
so humble opinion.

Anyway, as I said, thank you for doing this.  It is very much appreciated.

Chris.

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To: MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:20 AM
Subject: Moderation of the list


Wanted to let you all know that the account in question is now blocked
from the list. I should point out a couple things:

1. I'm not the moderator, I just help out with registering new users, as
many of you already know. By nature of that role I can also help folks
out by fiddling with their accounts. While I may be overstepping my
role, it was obvious to me that this cup of sewage was spoiling our
barrel of wine.

2. I went through the history of postings from when the account was
added in 2011 and the screeds of late do not seem to be of the same
person. I suspect the account somehow got hacked and the new owner
decided to have some 'fun' by trolling our list. The original poster was
usually on-topic up through December of last year and then went silent.
Suddenly he pops up on the list with 27 posts in two days of a most
unpleasant nature.

3. I'm not familiar enough with how this system works to know if we can
delete the messages. I'll poke around and find out. That won't help your
inbox but it might be some solace to the real owner of the account whose
name is now associated with the recent unpleasantness.

Sorry for not pulling the plug sooner. I'm not on my email as often on
weekends.

CB

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Re: Moderation of the list

2015-03-31 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
I haven't heard from her since last June but that isn't to say she isn't 
still lurking. I can't really recall the last time we had had an issue 
like this so we want to be sure we're not changing something that works 
based on an exception.


CB

On 3/31/15 7:44 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Hi Chris,

thanks for the info.  If you're still in touch with Cara at all, you might 
suggest that if she's no longer engaged with this list, she might want to pass 
the mod hat onto someone else.
Cheers,
Donna

On Mar 30, 2015, at 9:06 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:

I know Cara Quinn was the one who set me up to do the account admin stuff. Whom 
else besides here I don't know.

As far as I know this list is moderated under a 'management by exception' 
process. Generally all messages sent get immediately distributed to all 
members. This makes the list very responsive 24x7 as nobody has to wait for a 
moderator to get around to approving their posts. This also means a bad actor 
can temporarily post junk, but overall it's worked well for years.

CB

On 3/30/15 1:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Chris,

Thank you!  I was 100% confident that you would get to the bottom of this. 
Please might I ask going forward who the actual moderator(s) are?

There is no need for you to apologize, as far as I see things. You simply were 
doing your job, and you have a life outside this list.  Those who expected you 
to instantly do something frankly are the ones who were out of line, in my not 
so humble opinion.

Anyway, as I said, thank you for doing this.  It is very much appreciated.

Chris.

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To: MacVisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:20 AM
Subject: Moderation of the list


Wanted to let you all know that the account in question is now blocked
from the list. I should point out a couple things:

1. I'm not the moderator, I just help out with registering new users, as
many of you already know. By nature of that role I can also help folks
out by fiddling with their accounts. While I may be overstepping my
role, it was obvious to me that this cup of sewage was spoiling our
barrel of wine.

2. I went through the history of postings from when the account was
added in 2011 and the screeds of late do not seem to be of the same
person. I suspect the account somehow got hacked and the new owner
decided to have some 'fun' by trolling our list. The original poster was
usually on-topic up through December of last year and then went silent.
Suddenly he pops up on the list with 27 posts in two days of a most
unpleasant nature.

3. I'm not familiar enough with how this system works to know if we can
delete the messages. I'll poke around and find out. That won't help your
inbox but it might be some solace to the real owner of the account whose
name is now associated with the recent unpleasantness.

Sorry for not pulling the plug sooner. I'm not on my email as often on
weekends.

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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-31 Thread Todor Fassl
I worked in an educational environment and we had to get rid of our Macs 
during the period when there was no screen reader for the version of Mac 
OS that was current at the time.  We weren't going to run an old version 
of Mac OS. We switched a lot, I mean a lot, of machines over to Windows 
and jaws.  Assuming the same thing was going on at other educational 
institutions, it would have represented hundreds of thousands of sales 
in a market segment that had always been particularly important to Apple.


My opinion is that you can directly attribute the development of 
voiceover to the federal 508 regulations that require computers in 
schools to have screen readers.


The trend is now totally in the other direction. There is a Mac in the 
room with the tredmills in the gym at this institution if you can 
believe that.  You can check your email after you're done with your 
workout, I guess. I would just use my iphone but ...


On 03/30/2015 06:56 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

I wonder what the catalyst was for Apple’s ultimate choice to develop their 
screen reader?  The education sector?  Government?  The mythical two blind 
sons?  Certainly the APIs are now available for the development of an AT 
solution, so it’s entirely possible, technically.  But it doesn’t surprise me 
to learn that the Jobsian quest for perfection extended further back even than 
Apple’s introduction of their own usable screen reader, to the exclusion of 
others; I had not heard that story, and merely assumed that OS 9 was the choice 
of blind musicians (one of whom I knew) because it happened to be accessible 
with OutSpoken.  Although I’m not complaining that I didn’t have to pay for 
VoiceOver, there’s something to be said for diversification when it actually 
has the effect of giving the customer what they ultimately desire.

For my current weekly bash at Apple, see:
http://www.applevis.com/forum/accessibility-advocacy/suggestion-report-accessibility-bug-friday

Sometimes it’s the little things, sometimes not so little.  I only started it 
recently, because I think the situation for Yosemite is particularly 
disturbing, but many of those niggles go back to the very beginning.  And yes I 
think iOS is starting to feel the effects now as well.  It’s very fortunate 
that none of these issues currently make the platforms unusable.



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Re: message question on the mac

2015-03-31 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Pressing return is exactly what you need to do.  If it is an iMessage, it 
should just automatically send.  If it was originally a text from a non-Apple 
device user, then your Mac will be attempting to use the Continuity feature 
whereby it routes the message through your iPhone but it will still be a text.  
In the latter case, you need to ensure that your iPhone is on and connected to 
the same WiFi network.  If the message is in reply to an iMessage, then it 
could be a network thing with your Mac.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 31, 2015, at 09:03, Brian Howerton bshowert...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello all,
If I am trying to send a message from my mac in reply to a text message in the 
messages app, how do I go about sending the message?  I tried pressing return, 
but that didn’t seem to work.  Thanks for the help,
Brian

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Re: m4b File Merging

2015-03-31 Thread Barry Hadder
The gpac package has a utility called mp4box that merges mp4s.  To merge 3 
files for example, you would do something like:
cp file1.m4b file.m4b
mp4box -cat file2.m4b -cat file3.m4b file.m4b

This is discussed at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1900761.


On Mar 31, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Emilio Hernandez emilio.s.hernan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Hello everyone,

Does anyone know of an accessible program that would allow me to merge m4b 
files together that are of great length?
For example, I have some books that I’ve merged with Audio Book Binder. Some of 
these books exceed the merging limit of 24 hours. Thus, I would like to merge 
the series of files together to have one file for each book, verses a couple of 
files for one book.

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

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Re: Apple Script: Shut down the Mac

2015-03-31 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries

Weird. It works on my MacBook. I did

afplay ~/Desktop/Peace.mp3

and it started playing. Tried the same thing on my ancient MacPro 
desktop and it also worked. Both boxes are on OSX 10.10.2. Are you sure 
the audio file was correct? Did it give any messages? Normally there 
should be no text output and the audio just starts playing as soon as 
you hit enter.


CB

On 3/31/15 11:37 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

Chris,
afplay doesn’t produce any sound on my mac min running yosemite.  Too bad 
because is seems like a handy utility.

Chris



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message question on the mac

2015-03-31 Thread Brian Howerton
Hello all,
If I am trying to send a message from my mac in reply to a text message in the 
messages app, how do I go about sending the message?  I tried pressing return, 
but that didn’t seem to work.  Thanks for the help,
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Re: message question on the mac

2015-03-31 Thread Brian Howerton
Hi John,
Thanks for that, I got it to work.
Brian
 On Mar 31, 2015, at 11:08 AM, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Return should work on the Mac.  You are seeing the conversation history on 
 the Mac?  Do you receive any error message when you press the return key?
 
 
 Take Care
 
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 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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 Lion
 
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 On Mar 31, 2015, at 11:03 AM, Brian Howerton bshowert...@gmail.com wrote:
 
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 If I am trying to send a message from my mac in reply to a text message in 
 the messages app, how do I go about sending the message?  I tried pressing 
 return, but that didn’t seem to work.  Thanks for the help,
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Re: message question on the mac

2015-03-31 Thread Brian Howerton
Thanks Tim, it worked.
Brian
 On Mar 31, 2015, at 11:13 AM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Pressing return is exactly what you need to do.  If it is an iMessage, it 
 should just automatically send.  If it was originally a text from a non-Apple 
 device user, then your Mac will be attempting to use the Continuity feature 
 whereby it routes the message through your iPhone but it will still be a 
 text.  In the latter case, you need to ensure that your iPhone is on and 
 connected to the same WiFi network.  If the message is in reply to an 
 iMessage, then it could be a network thing with your Mac.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Mar 31, 2015, at 09:03, Brian Howerton bshowert...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 If I am trying to send a message from my mac in reply to a text message in 
 the messages app, how do I go about sending the message?  I tried pressing 
 return, but that didn’t seem to work.  Thanks for the help,
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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-31 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Indeed, the education sector/section-508 (in the US) looks, on the existing 
evidence at least, to have been the cause for Apple’s commitment.  A shame, I 
suppose, that it always takes legislation to set of this sort of thing.

Can you remember when about which period it was that your institution decided 
to convert to Windows for this reason?  The one thing I’ve not yet been clear 
on is when Apple’s APIs were actually substantial enough.  For example it is 
documented that 10.2 or thereabouts contained support enough, but the screen 
reader did not actually appear until Panther (as Spoken interface Preview).  
Could it have been that, though present, the APIs were simply not documented?  
And in which case, when did the documentation appear?  It’s certainly available 
now.

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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-31 Thread David Chittenden
Not exactly. When Berkeley Systems went bankrupt, Alva bought Outspoken during 
the assets sale for a good price because they wanted the Windows code. They let 
the Mac version die immediately and ported the windows code into their own 
projects.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 31 Mar 2015, at 20:57, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I was under the impression that Berkeley systems got bought by Alva and, this 
 is my own theory, they, Alva were more interested in Outspoken for Windows 
 than they were of the mac version. Am i correct in any of this?
 /Krister
 
 30 mar 2015 kl. 21:53 skrev David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com:
 
 Hello,
 
 Apple attempted to get Freedom Scientific to create a screen reader for OSX. 
 FS refused, so Apple took development in-house.
 
 Berkeley Systems was a small company. I visited their offices once in the 
 mid 90's. I suspect Apple did not wish to use a small group for screen 
 reader development again after Berkeley Systems went out-of-business.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 31 Mar 2015, at 07:37, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 On 30 Mar 2015, at 19:26, Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Correct me if I'm wrong but the reason Apple developed voiceover in the 
 first place was that the only  company making a screen reader for Mac OS 
 went out of business. If that company couldn't survive before voiceover, 
 it certainly couldn't survive now.
 
 
 I was already a Mac user back when OS X first came out and Alva Access 
 Group was still in business and wanted to make a screenReader for OS X. 
 However, Apple would not give them access to the necessary information and 
 it was a few years before it became clear that Apple had decided to make 
 its own screen reader.
 
 Along with quite a few other blind Mac users, I was unable to progress 
 beyond OS9 and in fact remained with OS 8 as it was still working for me.
 
 I protested vociferously to Apple about the lack of a screen reader and 
 jumped on the public beta of VoiceOver in the summer of 2004. It was then 
 known as the Spoken Interface.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-31 Thread David Chittenden
This information comes from the blog of the person who worked at FS at the time 
and was involved in the negotiation. He was for it. The boss would not be 
convinced.

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Sent from my iPhone

 On 31 Mar 2015, at 12:21, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 You gotta be kidding! regarding Apple and FS.  Oh dear god! please tell me 
 you are!  LOL!
  
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 - Original Message -
 From: David Chittenden
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 3:53 PM
 Subject: Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
 
 Hello,
 
 Apple attempted to get Freedom Scientific to create a screen reader for OSX. 
 FS refused, so Apple took development in-house.
 
 Berkeley Systems was a small company. I visited their offices once in the mid 
 90's. I suspect Apple did not wish to use a small group for screen reader 
 development again after Berkeley Systems went out-of-business.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 31 Mar 2015, at 07:37, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 On 30 Mar 2015, at 19:26, Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Correct me if I'm wrong but the reason Apple developed voiceover in the 
 first place was that the only  company making a screen reader for Mac OS 
 went out of business. If that company couldn't survive before voiceover, it 
 certainly couldn't survive now.
 
 
 I was already a Mac user back when OS X first came out and Alva Access Group 
 was still in business and wanted to make a screenReader for OS X. However, 
 Apple would not give them access to the necessary information and it was a 
 few years before it became clear that Apple had decided to make its own 
 screen reader.
 
 Along with quite a few other blind Mac users, I was unable to progress 
 beyond OS9 and in fact remained with OS 8 as it was still working for me.
 
 I protested vociferously to Apple about the lack of a screen reader and 
 jumped on the public beta of VoiceOver in the summer of 2004. It was then 
 known as the Spoken Interface.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
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wifi-problems with windows 7 under bootcamp

2015-03-31 Thread Anouk Radix
Hi everyone,
Sorry if this is slightly ot but i am using my mac privately now as well as in 
a workrelated situation. For the last situation i use windows 7 under bootcamp 
for productivity reasons. I notice however, that while on the macside wifi 
works great on windows the connection is VERY unstable, the network connection 
cant be established or it drops everytime and you have to reconnect manually. 
My macbook air is from july 2013 bur a friend of mine who has an older macbook 
with bootcamp and win7 is running into the seem issues.
I was wondering if more people have these and what your solutions are? 
Apparently bootcamp installs 3 wifi drivers and i was wondering if that might 
bring a conflict? I was wondering if an external wifi adapter might solve the 
issue? I think its weird still though because I have VERY good wifi on the 
macside and all the other stuff is working well when using bootcamp.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
Greetings, Anouk,

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Re: history of voiceover (was: starting to get irritated by IOS 8)

2015-03-31 Thread Joseph
Hello,
Actually VoiceOver came out with Leopard, OS X 10.4 in 2004 I purchased my 
first Mac Mini in September that year and it was the first with VoiceOver fully 
implemented.


 On Mar 31, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well, I didn't really make a note of the dates. I can only give them based on 
 dates of historical events.  I believe that I was using jaws 4.0 at the time. 
 According to wikipedia, jaws 4.0 was released in 2001. That coincides nicely 
 with the release of Mac Os X also in 2001. So I am going to say my memory 
 there is correct. But I was not a Mac user at the time and I was never 
 directly responsible for the computer labs.
 
 Tiger wasn't released until 2005. So there would have been 4 years where 
 there was no screen reader for Macs unless you wanted to run an obsolete 
 version of the operating system.  I know it's fair to say you could stick 
 with Mac OS 9 up until tiger came out but I don't think that is realistic in 
 many cases. For example, the manager of a computer lab in a school or 
 university isn't going to want to stick with a version of an operating system 
 that was obsolete 4 years earlier. It's easier to talk the administration 
 into ponying up the money for jaws.
 
 I no longer work for the department that manages the computer labs here so I 
 don't know when the switch back to Macs began. They're all over the place 
 now, though.
 
 On 03/31/2015 01:44 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
 Indeed, the education sector/section-508 (in the US) looks, on the existing 
 evidence at least, to have been the cause for Apple’s commitment.  A shame, 
 I suppose, that it always takes legislation to set of this sort of thing.
 
 Can you remember when about which period it was that your institution 
 decided to convert to Windows for this reason?  The one thing I’ve not yet 
 been clear on is when Apple’s APIs were actually substantial enough.  For 
 example it is documented that 10.2 or thereabouts contained support enough, 
 but the screen reader did not actually appear until Panther (as Spoken 
 interface Preview).  Could it have been that, though present, the APIs were 
 simply not documented?  And in which case, when did the documentation 
 appear?  It’s certainly available now.
 
 
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Re: I Player for the Mac.

2015-03-31 Thread David Griffith

I searched on Google. I can look for you if you cnnot find it.

David Griffith

On 30/03/2015 22:15, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

So where do you get this from?

Kawal.
On 30 Mar 2015, at 21:56, David Griffith daj.griff...@gmail.com wrote:

I  use Get i Player Automaker.

with this you download the files and

can  play them offline. Actually I convert the video files created to mp3.

David Griffith play them off line.

On 30/03/2015 19:09, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Has anyone used Iplayer for the Mac?  I hope someone can tell me if it's 
accessible as the one for windows was not when I downloaded the I player for 
downloading things from the BBC.  I was at work and so only had my work machine 
to test it.  I will however download the Mac one to see what it's like.

Kawal.



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Re: Apple Script: Shut down the Mac

2015-03-31 Thread Chris Moore
Yes, it works on mp3 files.
Chris
 On Mar 31, 2015, at 11:56 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 Weird. It works on my MacBook. I did
 
 afplay ~/Desktop/Peace.mp3
 
 and it started playing. Tried the same thing on my ancient MacPro desktop and 
 it also worked. Both boxes are on OSX 10.10.2. Are you sure the audio file 
 was correct? Did it give any messages? Normally there should be no text 
 output and the audio just starts playing as soon as you hit enter.
 
 CB
 
 On 3/31/15 11:37 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
 Chris,
 afplay doesn’t produce any sound on my mac min running yosemite.  Too bad 
 because is seems like a handy utility.
 
 Chris
 
 
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Sorting alphabetically in numbers

2015-03-31 Thread Laura Bratton
Hi All,
Thank you for your help and feedback regarding learning numbers. How do I sort 
alphabetically in numbers? I'm creating a table with a specific group’s first 
name, last name and contact information. how do I sort the names alphabetically?
Thank you for all the help,
Laura 

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putting the bottom back on a Mac Mini

2015-03-31 Thread KristeenHughes
I just updated the memory in my Mini. I didn’t have any trouble getting the lid 
off of the computer to put it in, but I can’t get it to go back on. It will 
seem to fit nicely, but will not turn and lock back into place. I’d rather not 
leave it lose this way, even though it sits on the lid, so at least it is 
closed. Can anyone advise me what I am doing wrong?

Thanks.

Kristeen

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Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

2015-03-31 Thread Todor Fassl
FS is not a bad company.  I think the main problem with jaws is that 
it's full of what programmers call cruft. Cruft is inefficient code 
that has accumulated over many years. I would think it is especially 
difficult to avoid cruft with screen readers since they are so 
intricately linked to the operating system.
To avoid cruft, you have to have a solid commitment to rewriting stuff 
from the ground up once in a while and that is going to be really, 
really hard with a screen reader.  On the other hand, it does seem as if 
jaws is particularly full of cruft even for a screen reader. I suspect 
that some of the early coding wasn't that good based on how often it 
used to crash.


But, honestly, I think FS's customer support is as good as it gets. The 
only complaint I'd have against FS as a company would be that crazy 
licensing scheme they had. I am not sure they still do it this way but 
if you changed any of the hardware in your PC, you had to re-license. If 
you added ram or swapped out a CD-ROM drive, you'd have to re-license jaws.


I guess I'll be finding out soon. I am going to have to start using 
VMware's vcenter client and it is optimized for jaws.


On 03/30/2015 06:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
You gotta be kidding! regarding Apple and FS.  Oh dear god! please 
tell me you are!  LOL!

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- Original Message -
*From:* David Chittenden mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2015 3:53 PM
*Subject:* Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8

Hello,

Apple attempted to get Freedom Scientific to create a screen
reader for OSX. FS refused, so Apple took development in-house.

Berkeley Systems was a small company. I visited their offices once
in the mid 90's. I suspect Apple did not wish to use a small group
for screen reader development again after Berkeley Systems went
out-of-business.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 31 Mar 2015, at 07:37, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk
mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote:


Hello,


On 30 Mar 2015, at 19:26, Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com
mailto:fassl@gmail.com wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong but the reason Apple developed voiceover
in the first place was that the only  company making a screen
reader for Mac OS went out of business. If that company couldn't
survive before voiceover, it certainly couldn't survive now.



I was already a Mac user back when OS X first came out and Alva
Access Group was still in business and wanted to make a
screenReader for OS X. However, Apple would not give them access
to the necessary information and it was a few years before it
became clear that Apple had decided to make its own screen reader.

Along with quite a few other blind Mac users, I was unable to
progress beyond OS9 and in fact remained with OS 8 as it was
still working for me.

I protested vociferously to Apple about the lack of a screen
reader and jumped on the public beta of VoiceOver in the summer
of 2004. It was then known as the Spoken Interface.

Cheers,

Anne

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m4b File Merging

2015-03-31 Thread Emilio Hernandez
Hello everyone,

Does anyone know of an accessible program that would allow me to merge m4b 
files together that are of great length?
For example, I have some books that I’ve merged with Audio Book Binder. Some of 
these books exceed the merging limit of 24 hours. Thus, I would like to merge 
the series of files together to have one file for each book, verses a couple of 
files for one book.

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

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Copying the contents of a pdf file into textedit

2015-03-31 Thread Chris Moore
The subject says it all.  
When in the pdf viewer, how do I select text?  I tried cmd+a which didn’t do 
anything.  

The next question is how to add textedit to the services menu in pdf viewer?

TIA
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Re: Facebook for I O S: Is anyone else seeing this same issue?

2015-03-31 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Wow, weird.  My IPhone 6 Plus with I O S 8.2 is what is exhibiting this issue.  
Strangeness.  I've actually not tried with my IPad Air First Gen running 8.2, 
nor with my IPhone 5S running also, 8.2.  It would be interesting to see how 
they compare.

Chris.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joanne Chua 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 6:51 PM
  Subject: Re: Facebook for I O S: Is anyone else seeing this same issue?


  I have this problem with my iPad mini, 1st gen, running iOS 7.12, and the 
latest native facebook app.
  No problem with my iphone6+, running iOS8.12, and latest native facebook app.



  Joanne Chua
  Send from my iPad

  On 1 Apr 2015, at 8:04, Feliciano Godoy theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote:


Facebook version 27 works fine on my yphone5 with the latest ios.

  Regards,
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Sent from the Super-iPhone

On Mar 31, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


  OK, has my Facebook just crapped out, or is this a known issue?  It seems 
like since the latest update, you no longer can flick around the screen.  
Everything has to now be completely done with touch exploration.  You can't 
even flick through your news feed.  If you touch one of the tabs at the bottom 
of the screen, I can't seem to flick between them either.  I can sometimes get 
flicking to kind of work, but not reliably, and definitely not enough to make 
it be worthwhile.

  If others are having this issue as well, then what are you all using on I 
O S in the mingtime?

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Re: Help me decide: Ecto vs. Mars Edit

2015-03-31 Thread 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries
i'm still using my copy of mars edit. best 20 bucks i ever spent works equally 
well with blogger or wordpress and on posts and pages good luck, max 


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On Mar 31, 2015, at 4:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

 It might have been, I'm not honestly sure.
  
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 From: Krister Ekstrom
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 4:15 AM
 Subject: Re: Help me decide: Ecto vs. Mars Edit
 
 Is Ecto still under development? I thought it had stopped being developed 
 years ago.
 /Krister
 
 31 mar 2015 kl. 01:28 skrev Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com:
 
 Guys,
  
 I must admit that I am fairly familiar with the Mars Edit application, but 
 when it comes to the Wordpress side of things, modifying, editting, and 
 composing content, what really are the main differences between Mars Edit 
 and Ecto, aside the obvious of price?
  
 Does one of them gain or lack more features than the other, or is it more 
 just mainly a matter of user preference?
  
 I'm very very much willing to try out Ecto and see how much I like it in 
 comparison, but I'm just wonderring if any of you have used Ecto, and maybe 
 can give me some pointers as to the differences, should there be any.  I 
 know for a fact that both of them are totally 100% accessible.
  
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Re: Sorting alphabetically in numbers

2015-03-31 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Navigate to the column you wish to sort by, press VO-shift-back slash, VO-down 
once to Columns, VO-space on that, then press VO-shift-m to bring up the 
Contextual menu and down two times for sorting in ascending order.  You’ll need 
to press VO-shift-back slash once more to take focus out of the header area and 
it should have done the job.  Normally, you shouldn’t need to navigate to the 
desired sort column first, but I’ve found that, if I don’t, things don’t always 
work as I expect them to.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 31, 2015, at 15:00, Laura Bratton laurarbrat...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi All,
Thank you for your help and feedback regarding learning numbers. How do I sort 
alphabetically in numbers? I'm creating a table with a specific group’s first 
name, last name and contact information. how do I sort the names alphabetically?
Thank you for all the help,
Laura 

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Re: Facebook for I O S: Is anyone else seeing this same issue?

2015-03-31 Thread Feliciano Godoy
Facebook version 27 works fine on my yphone5 with the latest ios.

  Regards,
Feliciano



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Sent from the Super-iPhone

 On Mar 31, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 OK, has my Facebook just crapped out, or is this a known issue?  It seems 
 like since the latest update, you no longer can flick around the screen.  
 Everything has to now be completely done with touch exploration.  You can't 
 even flick through your news feed.  If you touch one of the tabs at the 
 bottom of the screen, I can't seem to flick between them either.  I can 
 sometimes get flicking to kind of work, but not reliably, and definitely not 
 enough to make it be worthwhile.
  
 If others are having this issue as well, then what are you all using on I O S 
 in the mingtime?
  
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Facebook for I O S: Is anyone else seeing this same issue?

2015-03-31 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
OK, has my Facebook just crapped out, or is this a known issue?  It seems like 
since the latest update, you no longer can flick around the screen.  Everything 
has to now be completely done with touch exploration.  You can't even flick 
through your news feed.  If you touch one of the tabs at the bottom of the 
screen, I can't seem to flick between them either.  I can sometimes get 
flicking to kind of work, but not reliably, and definitely not enough to make 
it be worthwhile.

If others are having this issue as well, then what are you all using on I O S 
in the mingtime?

Chris.
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Re: history of voiceover (was: starting to get irritated by IOS 8)

2015-03-31 Thread Joseph
Hello,
I goofed, it was Tiger, not Leopard.
 :
 On Mar 31, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 Actually VoiceOver came out with Leopard, OS X 10.4 in 2004 I purchased my 
 first Mac Mini in September that year and it was the first with VoiceOver 
 fully implemented.
 
 
 On Mar 31, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well, I didn't really make a note of the dates. I can only give them based 
 on dates of historical events.  I believe that I was using jaws 4.0 at the 
 time. According to wikipedia, jaws 4.0 was released in 2001. That coincides 
 nicely with the release of Mac Os X also in 2001. So I am going to say my 
 memory there is correct. But I was not a Mac user at the time and I was 
 never directly responsible for the computer labs.
 
 Tiger wasn't released until 2005. So there would have been 4 years where 
 there was no screen reader for Macs unless you wanted to run an obsolete 
 version of the operating system.  I know it's fair to say you could stick 
 with Mac OS 9 up until tiger came out but I don't think that is realistic in 
 many cases. For example, the manager of a computer lab in a school or 
 university isn't going to want to stick with a version of an operating 
 system that was obsolete 4 years earlier. It's easier to talk the 
 administration into ponying up the money for jaws.
 
 I no longer work for the department that manages the computer labs here so I 
 don't know when the switch back to Macs began. They're all over the place 
 now, though.
 
 On 03/31/2015 01:44 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
 Indeed, the education sector/section-508 (in the US) looks, on the existing 
 evidence at least, to have been the cause for Apple’s commitment.  A shame, 
 I suppose, that it always takes legislation to set of this sort of thing.
 
 Can you remember when about which period it was that your institution 
 decided to convert to Windows for this reason?  The one thing I’ve not yet 
 been clear on is when Apple’s APIs were actually substantial enough.  For 
 example it is documented that 10.2 or thereabouts contained support enough, 
 but the screen reader did not actually appear until Panther (as Spoken 
 interface Preview).  Could it have been that, though present, the APIs were 
 simply not documented?  And in which case, when did the documentation 
 appear?  It’s certainly available now.
 
 
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Podcast?

2015-03-31 Thread Jose Lomeli
Hello; Listers, I have a question! How can I search and play podcast on the Mac 
using iTunes? Please help!

Jose Lomeli
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Re: putting the bottom back on a Mac Mini

2015-03-31 Thread Chris Moore
Hi Kristeen,
I did a memory upgrade on my mini in 2013.  The back goes on but requires a 
fair amount of force to lock it in position.  I probably used to hands and 
placed my thumbs in the two holes on the back cover.  

HTH
Chris
 On Mar 31, 2015, at 4:25 PM, KristeenHughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I just updated the memory in my Mini. I didn’t have any trouble getting the 
 lid off of the computer to put it in, but I can’t get it to go back on. It 
 will seem to fit nicely, but will not turn and lock back into place. I’d 
 rather not leave it lose this way, even though it sits on the lid, so at 
 least it is closed. Can anyone advise me what I am doing wrong?
 
 Thanks.
 
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history of voiceover (was: starting to get irritated by IOS 8)

2015-03-31 Thread Todor Fassl
Well, I didn't really make a note of the dates. I can only give them 
based on dates of historical events.  I believe that I was using jaws 
4.0 at the time. According to wikipedia, jaws 4.0 was released in 2001. 
That coincides nicely with the release of Mac Os X also in 2001. So I am 
going to say my memory there is correct. But I was not a Mac user at the 
time and I was never directly responsible for the computer labs.


Tiger wasn't released until 2005. So there would have been 4 years where 
there was no screen reader for Macs unless you wanted to run an obsolete 
version of the operating system.  I know it's fair to say you could 
stick with Mac OS 9 up until tiger came out but I don't think that is 
realistic in many cases. For example, the manager of a computer lab in a 
school or university isn't going to want to stick with a version of an 
operating system that was obsolete 4 years earlier. It's easier to talk 
the administration into ponying up the money for jaws.


I no longer work for the department that manages the computer labs here 
so I don't know when the switch back to Macs began. They're all over the 
place now, though.


On 03/31/2015 01:44 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Indeed, the education sector/section-508 (in the US) looks, on the existing 
evidence at least, to have been the cause for Apple’s commitment.  A shame, I 
suppose, that it always takes legislation to set of this sort of thing.

Can you remember when about which period it was that your institution decided 
to convert to Windows for this reason?  The one thing I’ve not yet been clear 
on is when Apple’s APIs were actually substantial enough.  For example it is 
documented that 10.2 or thereabouts contained support enough, but the screen 
reader did not actually appear until Panther (as Spoken interface Preview).  
Could it have been that, though present, the APIs were simply not documented?  
And in which case, when did the documentation appear?  It’s certainly available 
now.



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Re: Facebook for I O S: Is anyone else seeing this same issue?

2015-03-31 Thread Joanne Chua
I have this problem with my iPad mini, 1st gen, running iOS 7.12, and the 
latest native facebook app.
No problem with my iphone6+, running iOS8.12, and latest native facebook app.


Joanne Chua
Send from my iPad

 On 1 Apr 2015, at 8:04, Feliciano Godoy theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 Facebook version 27 works fine on my yphone5 with the latest ios.
 
   Regards,
 Feliciano
 
 
 
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 www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
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 Sent from the Super-iPhone
 
 On Mar 31, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 OK, has my Facebook just crapped out, or is this a known issue?  It seems 
 like since the latest update, you no longer can flick around the screen.  
 Everything has to now be completely done with touch exploration.  You can't 
 even flick through your news feed.  If you touch one of the tabs at the 
 bottom of the screen, I can't seem to flick between them either.  I can 
 sometimes get flicking to kind of work, but not reliably, and definitely not 
 enough to make it be worthwhile.
  
 If others are having this issue as well, then what are you all using on I O 
 S in the mingtime?
  
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 http://www.clgproductions.net
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Sharing videos, making them smaller

2015-03-31 Thread Stacey Robinson
Hi all,
I have two videos that my husband took that I’d like to share with someone.
I zipped them in separate files and put them into dropbox. That was at about 
1:00 this afternoon. They’re still uploading.
Is there some way I can make them smaller and then send them to my friend via 
email?
I saved them as mov files in quicktime but that didn’t change the size. One is 
98 mb and the other is even bigger.
All help is appreciated.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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