Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Jessica Moss]

Do they have the same screen cover as the otterbox case, or do you have to use 
a regular screen protector?
> On Mar 16, 2016, at 9:31 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> For one, the lifeproof cases are waterproof.  Notice, I didn't say water 
> resistant.  I said water proof.
> ---
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> - Original Message - From: "Jessica Moss" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
> 
> 
> What’s the difference between those and a life proof case?
>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> There are not air tight by any stretch of the imagination and dirt gets 
>> under the screens very easily.  They also provide no protection against 
>> water.
>> 
>> The fit is not all that girth, not like a life proof or similar.
>> 
>> You’ve got to take it a part and clean a lot more than you’d expect with the 
>> otter box.
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> They're pretty much airtight, but yes.  You do want to, maybe once or twice 
>>> a yewar pop the case off, and rence it off.  Notice: I said rence off the 
>>> case! not! the phone!  LOL!
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
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>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
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>>> - Original Message - From: "Jessica Moss" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 8:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> They’re a pain in the neck.  I’ve had several people tell me you need to 
>>> take them off on occasion to clean the screen itself, which I never 
>>> understood, until I somehow found a bump of some sort under the plastic, 
>>> which I can only assume is a piece of dirt, sense it doesn’t seem to move 
>>> much, and the case has been on there a good year or so.
 On Mar 15, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 Those cases are a royal, B***! to get off!  It can be done, but not 
 easily. the trick is to find the little square nub on either the left 
 side, or the right side.  It'll be about halfway down the length of the 
 case.  You basically just have to get your fingernail up there in between 
 both the front and back of that hard case, and pull it apart. Be ready to 
 probably cut your finger a teeny bit though when doing it, as it's a 
 little bit sharp.  These things aren't meant to come off easily.
 
 You might be able to pry a butterknife or something in there and pop it, 
 but I'd not chance it.  That could be a little bit risky.  I'm telling you 
 right now, it's not gonna be an easy chore!  It was fairly easy to do with 
 the IPhone 5, and 5S cases, and I think, even the 5C cases, but once they 
 went to the 6 cases which were thinner, it made it really really 
 difficult. Don't be afraid that you're gonna break it, as it's not giving 
 way.  It'll come, I promise ya, but you're really gonna have to pull, and, 
 buddy? I, mean, pull!  Hard!
 ---
 Christopher Gilland
 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.
 
 clgillan...@gmail.com
 Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
 - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
 To: 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:56 PM
 Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
 
 
 I don't know which one it is, I didn't pay that close of attention. I can 
 tell you that I'm able to get it loose by pulling back the top right 
 corner, but the case does not seem to want to let go of the phone!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 15, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> You should be able to just use a fingernail on the top corner edge, and 
> peal it off.
> 
> I personally don't mind the extra bulk, and actually find it makes my 
> phone feel a bit more solid.  I swear by mine.
> 
> Also, you say you got an Otterbox.  Which one though, as that will 
> determine how you get it off.  Are you using the Defender?
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> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:29 PM
> Subject: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm glad 
> for the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just wondering 
> if any of you who have this case put it on and take it off as needed?  If 
> yes, what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking about the back

Re: Deleting music from my iPhone 5S

[Stacey Robinson]

Thanks very much.
Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

> On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Settings, General, Storage & iCloud Usage, Manage storage under local 
> storage, Music.  Swipe up to Delete on anything you don’t want, or “All 
> Songs”.
> 
> Be aware that if you delete anything in here that you can’t get from the 
> iTunes Store, or from iTunes Match if you have that switched on and to which 
> you have previously uploaded your music with iTunes, then the only way to get 
> your music back is using iTunes.  Moreover, when you sync with iTunes again, 
> it will be transferred back automatically unless you have taken the trouble 
> to disable music syncing or chosen a different selection.
> 
> So really, ET is right—save yourself the angst and just use iTunes. :)
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Re: Recording on the Apple watch?

[Jenine Stanley]

The Mac app is not quite as accessible, or maybe the correct term is intiutive, 
as the iPhone and Watch apps. It’s definitely handy though to sort out the 
recordings on the iCloud drive.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Mar 18, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Agreed, this is one of my favourite Apple Watch apps other than the fitness 
> stuff and my sleep tracker. You can get a Mac app for it too, so there's a 
> suite of Just Press Record apps and they're all accessible.
> Jonathan Mosen
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>> On 19/03/2016, at 2:40 AM, Jenine Stanley > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Percy, 
>> 
>> You get an app called Just Press Record and install it on your phone. It 
>> will then also be installed on your Watch. Make sure to enable it for your 
>> Watch. 
>> 
>> Once that’s done, you can set it as a complication on the Watch face. Just 
>> double tap and wait to feel the haptic that means you are recording. It 
>> automatically starts recording, most of the time anyway. It can be slow to 
>> load though. 
>> 
>> The Watch app now also has a wa y to play back the recent recordings before 
>> dumping them to your phone, which it does automatically. Oh, to stop a 
>> recording, flick over to the Stop Button. then double tap on Save in the 
>> upper right corner to save the recording and send it to the app on your 
>> phone. If you have iCloud set up, it will save your recordings there and 
>> save space on your phone. 
>> 
>> This is an invaluable app to me.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Percy Garrett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jenine, how do you record on your watch? Thanks!
>>> Percy Garrett
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Jenine Stanley
>>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 6:52 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>>> 
>>> I’ve tried playing with it using the Notes app and recently tried it with 
>>> an inexpensive stylus with poor results. I’m thinking it’s more a pressure 
>>> issue with any stylus. It seems to work much better using just the finger.
>>> 
>>> I use it to bring up apps, to occasionally jot down phone numbers, though 
>>> this is less used now that I have just Press Record for my Watch.
>>> 
>>> I have a friend who uses it when writing texts and email on her phone and 
>>> she swears by it with just her finger.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 18, 2016, at 7:01 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Yes but in which application does handwriting work better,
 I've tried it in word from office 365 and pages but it isn't fantastic I 
 was hoping to find something that might work better and a stylus of decent 
 quality that I can write like using a pen and paper,
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
 Sent: Friday, 18 March 2016 10:53 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
 
 Handwriting actually just uses the finger drawing the letter in print. Use 
 a three finger flick down to change the case of the letter, the number, or 
 punctuation.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 18 Mar 2016, at 21:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> 
> I'm just wondering if anyone is using handwriting on their iPhone or iPad?
> 
> If so what do people use in the way of a stylus and or apps for picking 
> oup their handwriting
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Simon F
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Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Donna Goodin]

Is it easy to take the LifeProof case on and off?  Ideally I'd like to have a 
case for times when the phone might be at risk, travel, nights when maybe too 
much alcohol might be consumed, etc., and then be able to take it off the rest 
of the time.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 17, 2016, at 7:48 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Oh you can definitely use it, you don’t lose the feature it’s just not as 
> bass heavy or loud because it’s totally wrapped.  They do tricks like cutting 
> holes almost all the way through so you have less material obstructing the 
> sound but still a barrier but you don’t get the free flowing air sound you do 
> with the phone not in a case at all or a bigger box like an otter box.  It’s 
> totally usable though.
> 
> Same with the microphone.
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> That's good to know.  I am an internal speaker person.  Can you still use 
>> the internal speaker with the LifeProof case?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only down side of the life proof so you know ahead of time is the 
>>> speaker tends to be covered because it’s such a water tight seal.  So it 
>>> doesn’t have the boom that the otter box does.  If you’re a headphone / 
>>> bluetooth user like me though this makes no difference but if you’re an 
>>> internal speaker person consider it ahead of time.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 17, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 I may have to try the Life-Proof, I'm really not liking the OtterBox.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Mar 16, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Dona, I’m with you, the bulk just isn’t worth it.  I’m a life proof man 
> myself.  Much m ore sleek and actually waterproof.
> 
> Taking the case apart though is quite easy, if you need step by step let 
> me know.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm glad 
>> for the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just wondering 
>> if any of you who have this case put it on and take it off as needed?  
>> If yes, what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking about the 
>> back, not the tempered glass screen protector.)
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Numbers Questions

[Ben J. Bloomgren]

I think you can VO+shift+m on the worksheet's name to rename it.

Ben.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sandy Finley" 

To: "macvisionaries" 
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 02:37
Subject: Numbers Questions


I posed 2 numbers questions on this list and have not yet received a 
response - since I have  a third, i will just put them together in  this 
message.


1. What is the command to jump between work sheets in a spreadsheet? I 
cannot find it.


2. How does one name a work sheet?

3. Is there a way to get VoiceOver to read the data in a field without 
constantly indicating the position of the field? There  are  times when 
hearing "a1" with the data is distracting.


Sandy
Thank you.

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Re: iGrill thermometers accessability

[Scott Granados]

That’s very cool.

I could have used a thermometer like that when I was growing weed indoors.;)

Seriously though, I like the idea of being able to use it with the grill.  I 
like to BBQ and always needed sited help to determine the temp.


> On Mar 17, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Agreed! Got mine yesterday and used it last night grilling some chicken. 
> Works great and I can finally tell the temperature of the meet.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Love it! iGrill mini rocks! App is accessible.
>>> On Mar 13, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> has anyone use the I grill meat thermometers that are sold through apples  
>>> store? They connect by Bluetooth to an I devices connect app and I'm 
>>> wondering if that app is accessible in all features. Do you have any other 
>>> experience or suggestions about grilling thermometers that talk exquisite! 
>>> has anyone use the I grill meat thermometers that are sold through apples 
>>> apples to apples store? They connect by Bluetooth to and I devices connect 
>>> app and I'm wondering if that app is accessible and all features. Do you 
>>> have any other experience or suggestions about grilling thermometers that 
>>> talk exquisite! has anyone use the I grill meat thermometers that are sold 
>>> through apples apples to apples store? They connect by Bluetooth to and I 
>>> devices connect app and I'm wondering if that app is accessible and all 
>>> features. Do you have any other experience or suggestions about grilling 
>>> thermometers that talk
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Alex Hall]

I'm about to try the Trekz, which are made of a titanium alloy and sport 
bluetooth 4.1. I'll be reviewing them for AppleVis, but I'm hoping they prove 
more durable and comfortable than the Bluez 2. They are $129, and the Bluez 2 
(which now offer the sound leak fix) are $99. If you have questions this list 
can't answer, email them (sa...@aftershokz.com) or tweet them (@Aftershokz) and 
they can help. One thing I've always loved about the company is their great 
customer support and service. 

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> On Mar 18, 2016, at 16:02, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> 
> I’ve just bought myself an Aftershokz Bluez 2S headset and wonder if i’ve 
> made a mistake. The reviews in the blind community aren’t so good. Some say 
> they are uncomfortable and that they break and the sound isn’t good and so on 
> which makes me wonder what i’ve done.
> /Krister
> 
>> 18 mars 2016 kl. 20:31 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :
>> 
>> The problem I have with the Aftershokz stuff is that first it leaks like a 
>> sieve, and secondly they aren’t very loud.  They’re good for the TTS if you 
>> turn the volume up, but a lot of recordings at normal levels just won’t go 
>> that loud even if you’ve used iTunes to bump up the playback volume.  And 
>> that’s important if you’re in London with lots of howling traffic.  Of 
>> course the obvious countermeasure to this problem, that of plugging your 
>> ears, is just as dangerous as turning the volume right up.
>> 
>> So I’m also wondering where to go from here, except it probably won’t be 
>> Aftershokz—or if it is, it won’t be Aftershokz Sport.
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Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Donna Goodin]

You know, since getting my first iPhone in 2009, I've never used a case.  But 
I'm hoping to keep this phone--a 6S--until the 7S comes out, so have been 
thinking that maybe a case would be a good thing.  I may check out the 
LifeProof cases.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Mar 17, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Right there with you, my feelings exactly.
> 
> I dumped mine for a life proof and tried several other cases including a few 
> open faced cases and came back to the life proof.  Everyone is different 
> though.
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 7:48 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> I doubt I'll ever use the clip.  Honestly, I'm not even sure I'm going to 
>> continue to use the case - the added bulk is really bugging me.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, I never had that with the clip, but then again, I hardly ever wear 
>>> mine in the clip as for me, I'm a bit chubby around the beltline, so when I 
>>> go to sit down, the clip squeezes into my side/lovehandle area, which is 
>>> really uncomfortable.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Jessica Moss" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:32 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’ve noticed that too; in my oppinion, for the money you put into them, 
>>> they’re really poorly made.  I love their ruggedness, but can’t stand the 
>>> fact that you can’t use the clip they come with without it tearing the 
>>> casing to shreds.
>>> I’ve had 3 of them, and it either chipped the metal part of the casing, or 
>>> shredded the rubber around the outside, or both.  When it came to the first 
>>> one I got, repeated use of the clip ground the metal on one side to the 
>>> point that when I put it into the clip one afternoon, I heard this sound 
>>> like sand moving around under someone’s shoes, so I took it out, and and 
>>> part of the side of it looked like someone who’d had a cavity, or something 
>>> weird like that.
 On Mar 16, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
 
 Hi. You don't really want to take it off, unless you absolutely have to. 
 The more you take it on and off, the looser the rubber portion of the case 
 becomes, which in my opinion is the worst part about that case. For the 
 amount of money those cases cost, they should be better designed. Correct 
 me if I'm wrong, but you're talking about the defender series, right? If 
 not, I stand corrected.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 16, 2016, at 7:09 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, still haven't figured out how to get it off. lol  Guess this 
> answers my question, I won't take it off unless I decide I don't want to 
> use it any more.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Those cases are a royal, B***! to get off!  It can be done, but not 
>> easily. the trick is to find the little square nub on either the left 
>> side, or the right side.  It'll be about halfway down the length of the 
>> case.  You basically just have to get your fingernail up there in 
>> between both the front and back of that hard case, and pull it apart. Be 
>> ready to probably cut your finger a teeny bit though when doing it, as 
>> it's a little bit sharp.  These things aren't meant to come off easily.
>> 
>> You might be able to pry a butterknife or something in there and pop it, 
>> but I'd not chance it.  That could be a little bit risky.  I'm telling 
>> you right now, it's not gonna be an easy chore!  It was fairly easy to 
>> do with the IPhone 5, and 5S cases, and I think, even the 5C cases, but 
>> once they went to the 6 cases which were thinner, it made it really 
>> really difficult. Don't be afraid that you're gonna break it, as it's 
>> not giving way.  It'll come, I promise ya, but you're really gonna have 
>> to pull, and, buddy? I, mean, pull!  Hard!
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> I don't know which one it is, I didn't pay that close of attention. I 
>> can tell you that I'm able to get it loose by pulling back the top right 
>> corner, but the case does not seem to want to let go of the phone!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You should be able to just use a fingernail on th

Re: Lifeproof, was: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I wonder how music sounds from 300 feet under the ocean.  LOL!  Sorry guys! 
Heheheheh, I couldn't resist!  I had to do it!

---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
- Original Message - 
From: "Vaughn Brown" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Lifeproof, was: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone


Very nice! I'll have to look into it. How about a bobber in case it
falls into the water? LOL
Vaughn

On 3/16/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
Chris, I’ll do you one better than that.  I’m comfortable with a life 
proof

case to take the phone diving full on in the ocean let alone a tub or
shower.  My cousin uses them for filming under water and they work well 
even

at 300 feet down / greater than 100 meters.
I’ve also used one on an iPad in the boat for several years now with no
issue and it also took a hit falling when we got hit by a wave off the
console on to the deck and the screen survived unbroken.


Thanks
Scott


On Mar 16, 2016, at 8:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

When you say waterproof for the Lifeproof cases, would you feel
comfortable taking it with you in the tub when getting a bath?  Notice, I
didn't say a shower, I said a full fledged bath?  My friend did this, and
though his phone was absolutely just fine afterward, even after he 
knocked

it off the ledge of the tub face down into the water accidentally.  I
dunno though. I'd be a little hesitant to go that far with it.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
- Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone


Dona, I’m with you, the bulk just isn’t worth it.  I’m a life proof man
myself.  Much m ore sleek and actually waterproof.

Taking the case apart though is quite easy, if you need step by step let
me know.



On Mar 15, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm glad
for the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just wondering
if any of you who have this case put it on and take it off as needed? 
If

yes, what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking about the back,
not the tempered glass screen protector.)
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

For one, the lifeproof cases are waterproof.  Notice, I didn't say water 
resistant.  I said water proof.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Jessica Moss" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone


What’s the difference between those and a life proof case?

On Mar 16, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:

There are not air tight by any stretch of the imagination and dirt gets 
under the screens very easily.  They also provide no protection against 
water.


The fit is not all that girth, not like a life proof or similar.

You’ve got to take it a part and clean a lot more than you’d expect with 
the otter box.


On Mar 15, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


They're pretty much airtight, but yes.  You do want to, maybe once or 
twice a yewar pop the case off, and rence it off.  Notice: I said rence 
off the case! not! the phone!  LOL!


Chris.

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Training Instructor.

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- Original Message - From: "Jessica Moss" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone


They’re a pain in the neck.  I’ve had several people tell me you need to 
take them off on occasion to clean the screen itself, which I never 
understood, until I somehow found a bump of some sort under the plastic, 
which I can only assume is a piece of dirt, sense it doesn’t seem to move 
much, and the case has been on there a good year or so.
On Mar 15, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Those cases are a royal, B***! to get off!  It can be done, but not 
easily. the trick is to find the little square nub on either the left 
side, or the right side.  It'll be about halfway down the length of the 
case.  You basically just have to get your fingernail up there in 
between both the front and back of that hard case, and pull it apart. 
Be ready to probably cut your finger a teeny bit though when doing it, 
as it's a little bit sharp.  These things aren't meant to come off 
easily.


You might be able to pry a butterknife or something in there and pop it, 
but I'd not chance it.  That could be a little bit risky.  I'm telling 
you right now, it's not gonna be an easy chore!  It was fairly easy to 
do with the IPhone 5, and 5S cases, and I think, even the 5C cases, but 
once they went to the 6 cases which were thinner, it made it really 
really difficult. Don't be afraid that you're gonna break it, as it's 
not giving way.  It'll come, I promise ya, but you're really gonna have 
to pull, and, buddy? I, mean, pull!  Hard!

---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
- Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone


I don't know which one it is, I didn't pay that close of attention. I 
can tell you that I'm able to get it loose by pulling back the top right 
corner, but the case does not seem to want to let go of the phone!


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 15, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


You should be able to just use a fingernail on the top corner edge, and 
peal it off.


I personally don't mind the extra bulk, and actually find it makes my 
phone feel a bit more solid.  I swear by mine.


Also, you say you got an Otterbox.  Which one though, as that will 
determine how you get it off.  Are you using the Defender?

---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
- Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:29 PM
Subject: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone


Hi all,

As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm 
glad for the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just 
wondering if any of you who have this case put it on and take it off as 
needed?  If yes, what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking 
about the back, not the tempered glass screen protector.)

TIA,
Donna

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RE: Handwriting on an iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi David,

 Thanks for that, I'll have a look.

I was looking at the Wacom Bamboo stylus Fineline 2, which appears to be 
Bluetooth enabled for connection to your tablet
But I'll check on that tomorrow with a colleague.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 11:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone

The following link is for a stylus which my partner says is the best stylus 
available for the iDevice.

https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/adonit-jot-pro-stylus-with-dampening-tip-gun-metal-grey-adonit/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=product_listing_ads&gclid=CjwKEAjw8bO3BRDp0bP_vL-7_lASJACL_d6w1YBNjCAlovjOzTWHKzV9q_kDHvkBdlth0YSfuDhrgRoCwRfw_wcB

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 20 Mar 2016, at 10:26, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Word seemed to be doing ok when I tried handwriting in it.
> 
> I'm goin g to try pages also, I just need something to take notes with during 
> meetings and my handwriting is faster than my typing.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 12:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
> 
> Notes Plus is an app which has handwriting recognition in it. The handwriting 
> recognition part is an in-app purchase above the $11 AUD price for the app. 
> However, the menus are the only part of the app which is accessible. For the 
> sighted, Notes Plus translates handwriting into computer text. It works well 
> for low vision people in school as well.
> 
> You cannot handwrite in any app we know of with VoiceOver running. The app, 7 
> Nots HD, Prem will allow VoiceOver to read what was written, but VO blocks 
> the ability to write in the app whilst VO is running.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 23:55, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah I've been looking at a couple
>> Bamboo paper and MyScript note are a couple but yeah not overly friendly, 
>> why these apps can't be accessible I can't figure out.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
>> Chittenden
>> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 3:56 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>> 
>> I am never sure of anything. My understanding is that they are using a 
>> third-party handwriting recognition app. I will check with some sighted 
>> people. iOS now permits installation of third-party keyboards (a fact which 
>> locked me out from using the onscreen keyboard on my iPhone last year 
>> because many of them are completely inaccessible).
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 13:58, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you sure?
>>> 
>>> I have sighted associates that use handwriting on their iPads without 
>>> voiceover!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
>>> Chittenden
>>> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 9:54 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>>> 
>>> Handwriting works only with VoiceOver. It is not a standard input method 
>>> for iOS.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 19 Mar 2016, at 02:36, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
 
 I found that with the stylus I had to press harder than I would if I was 
 writing with a pen. It wasn’t a natural thing. then again, writing using 
 your finger isn’t necessarily natural either. 
 
 As you note, David, the 6S and beyond have the pressure sensitive screen 
 for other uses and that really messed with using a stylus for handwriting. 
 I’ve never triggered 3D touch using my finger for handwriting but using 
 the stylus, I did so often. 
 
 Here’s a question. Does handwriting work without VO? I’d assume so and of 
 course would never use it that way. 
 Jenine Stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com
 
 
 
> On Mar 18, 2016, at 9:05 AM, David Chittenden  
> wrote:
> 
> Increased pressure would not make a difference. The iDevice screen is 
> capacitive. The iPhone 6 S is pressure sensitive for different ways of 
> activating buttons in apps that support it.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 00:52, J

RE: Handwriting on an iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

Great thanks, I'll have a look at that later.

I've downloaded just press to record and it's great, I can't wait to put it 
into action during eetings at work.


And as easy as it is to use and  how it works, I'd pay twice as much as it cost.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 10:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone

Oh yes, Do It Write is specifically designed to help blind people practice 
handwriting.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Mar 19, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jenine,
> 
> So that do it write is an accessible app ?
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 2:39 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
> 
> David’s correct here. It must say the letter. Mine will say “Not recognized” 
> and I know I’ve got the phone slanted somehow. I find the larger screen area 
> of the 6S harder to write on as I tend to slant things. I can go fairly 
> quickly and accurately on my 5S. Also be sure you are in the middle of the 
> screen. 
> 
> Not sure if this app is still in the App Store but Do It Write (note spelling 
> of the last word) is an app that let’s you practice handwriting. It really 
> helped me initially since it had been years since I’d written print. 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 19, 2016, at 7:00 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> It may not be recognising your s.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 23:53, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interesting that it only works on a app for which I've got one starting 
>>> with that letter.
>>> 
>>> I can't get it to find anything starting with S for which I've got at least 
>>> 6 apps sonos and spotify   aren't showing up.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
>>> Chittenden
>>> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 3:52 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>>> 
>>> Whilst on the home screen, turn the rotor to handwriting. draw the first 
>>> letter , and then each subsequent letter, of the app name. At any time, use 
>>> a two-finger flick down to cycle through the matching apps. Double-tap to 
>>> open the selected app.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 19 Mar 2016, at 13:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi David,
 
 So you can use it to open apps on your device?
 
 I didn't know that one.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
 Chittenden
 Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 2:02 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
 
 I am slow at handwriting (finger printing), so I mainly use it on the 
 homescreens to locate and open apps. I occasionally use it in messages.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 19 Mar 2016, at 00:01, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yes but in which application does handwriting work better, I've 
> tried it in word from office 365 and pages but it isn't fantastic 
> I was hoping to find something that might work better and a stylus 
> of decent quality that I can write like using a pen and paper,
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
> Chittenden
> Sent: Friday, 18 March 2016 10:53 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
> 
> Handwriting actually just uses the finger drawing the letter in print. 
> Use a three finger flick down to change the case of the letter, the 
> number, or punctuation.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 18 Mar 2016, at 21:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> 
>> I'm just wondering if anyone is using handwriting on their iPhone or 
>> iPad?
>> 
>> If so what do people use in the way of a stylus and or apps for 
>> picking oup their handwriting
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
>> Simon F
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RE: blue tooth headsets

[Simon Fogarty]

Scott,

I've not tried the Plantronics legend but know it was a great device back in  
the day,

Would you still put it above the Edge?


And I used one of the early era devices but at that point it's accessibility 
wasn't great. Still it was an excellent device, 
I just need to stop being so hard on headsets.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 4:53 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: blue tooth headsets

Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications that 
are standardized so aside some special features in general most things work 
pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general though that work 
better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics of mine and also the 
moderator’s Mark I believe.

In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players on 
top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by jawbone.  
The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the plantronics is the 
largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what your goal is.  If you 
want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium battery life and have the 
same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If you want your headset to work in 
all conditions, want fantastic noise reduction, don’t care about the fact 
there’s a boom microphone and you need great battery life then the plantronics 
voyager pro legend is the way to go.  Hands down the plastrons works the best 
it’s just whether your concern is mostly function or you want some style.

How’s that?

BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry both.  
I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional calls and work 
environment the only option.


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> hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my iPhone. my 
> brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
> work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need the 
> headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the guy was 
> really impressed with the quality. thanks for your help, max 
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

The problem I have with the Aftershokz stuff is that first it leaks like a 
sieve, and secondly they aren’t very loud.  They’re good for the TTS if you 
turn the volume up, but a lot of recordings at normal levels just won’t go that 
loud even if you’ve used iTunes to bump up the playback volume.  And that’s 
important if you’re in London with lots of howling traffic.  Of course the 
obvious countermeasure to this problem, that of plugging your ears, is just as 
dangerous as turning the volume right up.

So I’m also wondering where to go from here, except it probably won’t be 
Aftershokz—or if it is, it won’t be Aftershokz Sport.

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Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Scott Granados]

There are not air tight by any stretch of the imagination and dirt gets under 
the screens very easily.  They also provide no protection against water.

The fit is not all that girth, not like a life proof or similar.

You’ve got to take it a part and clean a lot more than you’d expect with the 
otter box.

> On Mar 15, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> They're pretty much airtight, but yes.  You do want to, maybe once or twice a 
> yewar pop the case off, and rence it off.  Notice: I said rence off the case! 
> not! the phone!  LOL!
> 
> Chris.
> 
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> - Original Message - From: "Jessica Moss" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 8:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
> 
> 
> They’re a pain in the neck.  I’ve had several people tell me you need to take 
> them off on occasion to clean the screen itself, which I never understood, 
> until I somehow found a bump of some sort under the plastic, which I can only 
> assume is a piece of dirt, sense it doesn’t seem to move much, and the case 
> has been on there a good year or so.
>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Those cases are a royal, B***! to get off!  It can be done, but not easily. 
>> the trick is to find the little square nub on either the left side, or the 
>> right side.  It'll be about halfway down the length of the case.  You 
>> basically just have to get your fingernail up there in between both the 
>> front and back of that hard case, and pull it apart.  Be ready to probably 
>> cut your finger a teeny bit though when doing it, as it's a little bit 
>> sharp.  These things aren't meant to come off easily.
>> 
>> You might be able to pry a butterknife or something in there and pop it, but 
>> I'd not chance it.  That could be a little bit risky.  I'm telling you right 
>> now, it's not gonna be an easy chore!  It was fairly easy to do with the 
>> IPhone 5, and 5S cases, and I think, even the 5C cases, but once they went 
>> to the 6 cases which were thinner, it made it really really difficult. Don't 
>> be afraid that you're gonna break it, as it's not giving way.  It'll come, I 
>> promise ya, but you're really gonna have to pull, and, buddy? I, mean, pull! 
>>  Hard!
>> ---
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>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
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>> Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> I don't know which one it is, I didn't pay that close of attention. I can 
>> tell you that I'm able to get it loose by pulling back the top right corner, 
>> but the case does not seem to want to let go of the phone!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You should be able to just use a fingernail on the top corner edge, and 
>>> peal it off.
>>> 
>>> I personally don't mind the extra bulk, and actually find it makes my phone 
>>> feel a bit more solid.  I swear by mine.
>>> 
>>> Also, you say you got an Otterbox.  Which one though, as that will 
>>> determine how you get it off.  Are you using the Defender?
>>> ---
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>>> 
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>>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:29 PM
>>> Subject: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm glad 
>>> for the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just wondering if 
>>> any of you who have this case put it on and take it off as needed?  If yes, 
>>> what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking about the back, not the 
>>> tempered glass screen protector.)
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Lifeproof, was: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Jessica Moss]

Join the club, those phones are super expensive lol.  If I remember correctly, 
the life proof cases are too.
  Aren’t they about $100 or something along those lines?
> On Mar 16, 2016, at 8:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> When you say waterproof for the Lifeproof cases, would you feel comfortable 
> taking it with you in the tub when getting a bath?  Notice, I didn't say a 
> shower, I said a full fledged bath?  My friend did this, and though his phone 
> was absolutely just fine afterward, even after he knocked it off the ledge of 
> the tub face down into the water accidentally.  I dunno though. I'd be a 
> little hesitant to go that far with it.
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> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
> 
> 
> Dona, I’m with you, the bulk just isn’t worth it.  I’m a life proof man 
> myself.  Much m ore sleek and actually waterproof.
> 
> Taking the case apart though is quite easy, if you need step by step let me 
> know.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm glad for 
>> the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just wondering if any 
>> of you who have this case put it on and take it off as needed?  If yes, 
>> what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking about the back, not the 
>> tempered glass screen protector.)
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Abby Fine Reader Pro For Mac

[denise avant]

Hello all,
I just got the Abby Fine Reader for the Mac. I’m wondering how to install it? 
it appears to have an authroization key. will that be needed to intall the 
product on the Mac? Are there odcasts available to learn how to use it?
Thanks.

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Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Jessica Moss]

What’s the difference between those and a life proof case?
> On Mar 16, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> There are not air tight by any stretch of the imagination and dirt gets under 
> the screens very easily.  They also provide no protection against water.
> 
> The fit is not all that girth, not like a life proof or similar.
> 
> You’ve got to take it a part and clean a lot more than you’d expect with the 
> otter box.
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 8:16 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> They're pretty much airtight, but yes.  You do want to, maybe once or twice 
>> a yewar pop the case off, and rence it off.  Notice: I said rence off the 
>> case! not! the phone!  LOL!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
>> - Original Message - From: "Jessica Moss" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 8:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> They’re a pain in the neck.  I’ve had several people tell me you need to 
>> take them off on occasion to clean the screen itself, which I never 
>> understood, until I somehow found a bump of some sort under the plastic, 
>> which I can only assume is a piece of dirt, sense it doesn’t seem to move 
>> much, and the case has been on there a good year or so.
>>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Those cases are a royal, B***! to get off!  It can be done, but not easily. 
>>> the trick is to find the little square nub on either the left side, or the 
>>> right side.  It'll be about halfway down the length of the case.  You 
>>> basically just have to get your fingernail up there in between both the 
>>> front and back of that hard case, and pull it apart.  Be ready to probably 
>>> cut your finger a teeny bit though when doing it, as it's a little bit 
>>> sharp.  These things aren't meant to come off easily.
>>> 
>>> You might be able to pry a butterknife or something in there and pop it, 
>>> but I'd not chance it.  That could be a little bit risky.  I'm telling you 
>>> right now, it's not gonna be an easy chore!  It was fairly easy to do with 
>>> the IPhone 5, and 5S cases, and I think, even the 5C cases, but once they 
>>> went to the 6 cases which were thinner, it made it really really difficult. 
>>> Don't be afraid that you're gonna break it, as it's not giving way.  It'll 
>>> come, I promise ya, but you're really gonna have to pull, and, buddy? I, 
>>> mean, pull!  Hard!
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
>>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I don't know which one it is, I didn't pay that close of attention. I can 
>>> tell you that I'm able to get it loose by pulling back the top right 
>>> corner, but the case does not seem to want to let go of the phone!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 15, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 You should be able to just use a fingernail on the top corner edge, and 
 peal it off.
 
 I personally don't mind the extra bulk, and actually find it makes my 
 phone feel a bit more solid.  I swear by mine.
 
 Also, you say you got an Otterbox.  Which one though, as that will 
 determine how you get it off.  Are you using the Defender?
 ---
 Christopher Gilland
 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.
 
 clgillan...@gmail.com
 Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
 - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
 To: 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:29 PM
 Subject: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm glad 
 for the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just wondering 
 if any of you who have this case put it on and take it off as needed?  If 
 yes, what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking about the back, not 
 the tempered glass screen protector.)
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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message rules

[Jean]

Hello again all:
Thanks to the person who suggested accessing the message rules function through 
the mail preferences. I went there and tried to create a rule for a message. I 
can see how it is supposed to work but I am having trouble getting boxes to 
stay checked, filling in all the fields etc. Is there a clear tutorial on this?
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Re: Sleep tracking apps?

[ben J. Bloomgren]

I don't have an Apple Watch right now, I've tried the Azumio and Runtastic apps 
to no avail. Apparently Health allows for sleep tracking, but I don't see how 
to enable it. Again, I'd use my iPhone 6 S, but theoretically one could use the 
watch.

Ben

> On Mar 18, 2016, at 12:06, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> What sleep tracking app do you use?
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
>> 
>> Agreed, this is one of my favourite Apple Watch apps other than the fitness 
>> stuff and my sleep tracker. You can get a Mac app for it too, so there's a 
>> suite of Just Press Record apps and they're all accessible.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>> 
>>> On 19/03/2016, at 2:40 AM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Percy, 
>>> 
>>> You get an app called Just Press Record and install it on your phone. It 
>>> will then also be installed on your Watch. Make sure to enable it for your 
>>> Watch. 
>>> 
>>> Once that’s done, you can set it as a complication on the Watch face. Just 
>>> double tap and wait to feel the haptic that means you are recording. It 
>>> automatically starts recording, most of the time anyway. It can be slow to 
>>> load though. 
>>> 
>>> The Watch app now also has a wa y to play back the recent recordings before 
>>> dumping them to your phone, which it does automatically. Oh, to stop a 
>>> recording, flick over to the Stop Button. then double tap on Save in the 
>>> upper right corner to save the recording and send it to the app on your 
>>> phone. If you have iCloud set up, it will save your recordings there and 
>>> save space on your phone. 
>>> 
>>> This is an invaluable app to me.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 18, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Percy Garrett  wrote:
 
 Jenine, how do you record on your watch? Thanks!
 Percy Garrett
 
 -Original Message- From: Jenine Stanley
 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 6:52 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
 
 I’ve tried playing with it using the Notes app and recently tried it with 
 an inexpensive stylus with poor results. I’m thinking it’s more a pressure 
 issue with any stylus. It seems to work much better using just the finger.
 
 I use it to bring up apps, to occasionally jot down phone numbers, though 
 this is less used now that I have just Press Record for my Watch.
 
 I have a friend who uses it when writing texts and email on her phone and 
 she swears by it with just her finger.
 Jenine Stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com
 
 
 
> On Mar 18, 2016, at 7:01 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yes but in which application does handwriting work better,
> I've tried it in word from office 365 and pages but it isn't fantastic I 
> was hoping to find something that might work better and a stylus of 
> decent quality that I can write like using a pen and paper,
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Friday, 18 March 2016 10:53 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
> 
> Handwriting actually just uses the finger drawing the letter in print. 
> Use a three finger flick down to change the case of the letter, the 
> number, or punctuation.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 18 Mar 2016, at 21:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> 
>> I'm just wondering if anyone is using handwriting on their iPhone or 
>> iPad?
>> 
>> If so what do people use in the way of a stylus and or apps for picking 
>> oup their handwriting
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
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List View or column view

[Sandy Finley]

I have been trying both to see which I prefer. I like column view because it is 
so easy to hit the right arrow to open a folder. I have, however, found it 
harder to know precisely where I am copy' something. For instance, I had my 
iCloud Drive in columns view and I wanted to drop a folder inn there. I went to 
iCloud Drive and pressed right arrow to open the list of folders. I pressed 
command v for paste. The contents of the clip board ended up inside a subfolder 
of the cloud drive rather than as ann additional subfolder itself. What is the 
best way to know where you are copying when in column view? Or is it just as 
easy to do what I am doing now, which is to fly back and forth, keeping column 
view mostly but switch to list view when I want to copy?

Sandy

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Re: Handwriting on an iPhone

[Jenine Stanley]

Oh yes, Do It Write is specifically designed to help blind people practice 
handwriting.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Mar 19, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jenine,
> 
> So that do it write is an accessible app ?
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 2:39 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
> 
> David’s correct here. It must say the letter. Mine will say “Not recognized” 
> and I know I’ve got the phone slanted somehow. I find the larger screen area 
> of the 6S harder to write on as I tend to slant things. I can go fairly 
> quickly and accurately on my 5S. Also be sure you are in the middle of the 
> screen. 
> 
> Not sure if this app is still in the App Store but Do It Write (note spelling 
> of the last word) is an app that let’s you practice handwriting. It really 
> helped me initially since it had been years since I’d written print. 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 19, 2016, at 7:00 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> It may not be recognising your s.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 23:53, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interesting that it only works on a app for which I've got one starting 
>>> with that letter.
>>> 
>>> I can't get it to find anything starting with S for which I've got at least 
>>> 6 apps sonos and spotify   aren't showing up.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
>>> Chittenden
>>> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 3:52 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>>> 
>>> Whilst on the home screen, turn the rotor to handwriting. draw the first 
>>> letter , and then each subsequent letter, of the app name. At any time, use 
>>> a two-finger flick down to cycle through the matching apps. Double-tap to 
>>> open the selected app.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 19 Mar 2016, at 13:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi David,
 
 So you can use it to open apps on your device?
 
 I didn't know that one.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
 Chittenden
 Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 2:02 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
 
 I am slow at handwriting (finger printing), so I mainly use it on the 
 homescreens to locate and open apps. I occasionally use it in messages.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 19 Mar 2016, at 00:01, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yes but in which application does handwriting work better, I've 
> tried it in word from office 365 and pages but it isn't fantastic I 
> was hoping to find something that might work better and a stylus of 
> decent quality that I can write like using a pen and paper,
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
> Chittenden
> Sent: Friday, 18 March 2016 10:53 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
> 
> Handwriting actually just uses the finger drawing the letter in print. 
> Use a three finger flick down to change the case of the letter, the 
> number, or punctuation.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 18 Mar 2016, at 21:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> 
>> I'm just wondering if anyone is using handwriting on their iPhone or 
>> iPad?
>> 
>> If so what do people use in the way of a stylus and or apps for 
>> picking oup their handwriting
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> 
>> Simon F
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Re: Handwriting on an iPhone

[David Chittenden]

The following link is for a stylus which my partner says is the best stylus 
available for the iDevice.

https://www.kogan.com/au/buy/adonit-jot-pro-stylus-with-dampening-tip-gun-metal-grey-adonit/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=product_listing_ads&gclid=CjwKEAjw8bO3BRDp0bP_vL-7_lASJACL_d6w1YBNjCAlovjOzTWHKzV9q_kDHvkBdlth0YSfuDhrgRoCwRfw_wcB

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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 20 Mar 2016, at 10:26, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Word seemed to be doing ok when I tried handwriting in it.
> 
> I'm goin g to try pages also, I just need something to take notes with during 
> meetings and my handwriting is faster than my typing.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 12:11 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
> 
> Notes Plus is an app which has handwriting recognition in it. The handwriting 
> recognition part is an in-app purchase above the $11 AUD price for the app. 
> However, the menus are the only part of the app which is accessible. For the 
> sighted, Notes Plus translates handwriting into computer text. It works well 
> for low vision people in school as well.
> 
> You cannot handwrite in any app we know of with VoiceOver running. The app, 7 
> Nots HD, Prem will allow VoiceOver to read what was written, but VO blocks 
> the ability to write in the app whilst VO is running.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 23:55, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah I've been looking at a couple
>> Bamboo paper and MyScript note are a couple but yeah not overly friendly, 
>> why these apps can't be accessible I can't figure out.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 3:56 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>> 
>> I am never sure of anything. My understanding is that they are using a 
>> third-party handwriting recognition app. I will check with some sighted 
>> people. iOS now permits installation of third-party keyboards (a fact which 
>> locked me out from using the onscreen keyboard on my iPhone last year 
>> because many of them are completely inaccessible).
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 13:58, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you sure?
>>> 
>>> I have sighted associates that use handwriting on their iPads without 
>>> voiceover!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
>>> Chittenden
>>> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 9:54 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>>> 
>>> Handwriting works only with VoiceOver. It is not a standard input method 
>>> for iOS.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 19 Mar 2016, at 02:36, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
 
 I found that with the stylus I had to press harder than I would if I was 
 writing with a pen. It wasn’t a natural thing. then again, writing using 
 your finger isn’t necessarily natural either. 
 
 As you note, David, the 6S and beyond have the pressure sensitive screen 
 for other uses and that really messed with using a stylus for handwriting. 
 I’ve never triggered 3D touch using my finger for handwriting but using 
 the stylus, I did so often. 
 
 Here’s a question. Does handwriting work without VO? I’d assume so and of 
 course would never use it that way. 
 Jenine Stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com
 
 
 
> On Mar 18, 2016, at 9:05 AM, David Chittenden  
> wrote:
> 
> Increased pressure would not make a difference. The iDevice screen is 
> capacitive. The iPhone 6 S is pressure sensitive for different ways of 
> activating buttons in apps that support it.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 00:52, Jenine Stanley  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve tried playing with it using the Notes app and recently tried it 
>> with an inexpensive stylus with poor results. I’m thinking it’s more a 
>> pressure issue with any stylus. It seems to work much better using just 
>> the finger. 
>> 
>> I use it to bring up apps, to occasionally jot down phone numbers, 
>> though this is less used now that I have just Press Record for my Watch. 
>> 
>> I 

Re: Cleaning IPhone screen, perhaps an obvious question

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,
I’ve used a damp baby wipe-the kind without powder, aloe, etc, in a pinch.  I 
usually will get a small peice of paper towel, make it only slightly damp, then 
wipe the screen carefully with it, then wipe with a dry one.

I don’t need to do this very often, though.  Not sure why it’d be bad.

Caitlyn

> On Mar 15, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> This probably to most of you is gonna seem like a really dumb thing to do, 
> but I'm curious, not so much if you all think it's a good idea, as much as 
> how many of you all do this same exact thing.  I did this the other night 
> when my mom was up in my room, and she just about strangled me, saying how 
> bad of an idea it was.  Not sure why though.  I've done this now for so long, 
> and every time, it's never caused dammage.
>  
> So, here's my question.  How many of you, when your screen gets really dirty 
> will actually take a fully moisted babywipe straight from it's container, and 
> apply it to the bare screen?  These I'm using are Huggy's non scented, non 
> lotion.  They don't have powder, nor allo or anything in them.  So, I can't 
> imagine why it would be that bad.  Now, if they did? That would be another 
> story.  What do you all think.  Based on the fact they don't have any of that 
> stuff, can you see any reason why this would be a dumb move?
> ---
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filtering emails

[Jean]

Hello All:
There are  emails I receive regularly from the same several senders that I want 
to stop receiving. For whatever reason  the unsubscribe function has stopped 
working and the lists are no longer maintained by anyone. I have tried 
filtering them through gmail but that isn’t working, they are still coming 
through. So I looked at message rules but when I use the short cut of command 
option l nothing happens.

Any ideas about how to solve this would be very much appreciated.
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RE: Handwriting on an iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Jenine,

 So that do it write is an accessible app ?

Cheers.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 2:39 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone

David’s correct here. It must say the letter. Mine will say “Not recognized” 
and I know I’ve got the phone slanted somehow. I find the larger screen area of 
the 6S harder to write on as I tend to slant things. I can go fairly quickly 
and accurately on my 5S. Also be sure you are in the middle of the screen. 

Not sure if this app is still in the App Store but Do It Write (note spelling 
of the last word) is an app that let’s you practice handwriting. It really 
helped me initially since it had been years since I’d written print. 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Mar 19, 2016, at 7:00 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> It may not be recognising your s.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 23:53, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting that it only works on a app for which I've got one starting with 
>> that letter.
>> 
>> I can't get it to find anything starting with S for which I've got at least 
>> 6 apps sonos and spotify   aren't showing up.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
>> Chittenden
>> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 3:52 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>> 
>> Whilst on the home screen, turn the rotor to handwriting. draw the first 
>> letter , and then each subsequent letter, of the app name. At any time, use 
>> a two-finger flick down to cycle through the matching apps. Double-tap to 
>> open the selected app.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 13:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> So you can use it to open apps on your device?
>>> 
>>> I didn't know that one.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
>>> Chittenden
>>> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 2:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>>> 
>>> I am slow at handwriting (finger printing), so I mainly use it on the 
>>> homescreens to locate and open apps. I occasionally use it in messages.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 19 Mar 2016, at 00:01, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Yes but in which application does handwriting work better, I've 
 tried it in word from office 365 and pages but it isn't fantastic I 
 was hoping to find something that might work better and a stylus of 
 decent quality that I can write like using a pen and paper,
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
 Chittenden
 Sent: Friday, 18 March 2016 10:53 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
 
 Handwriting actually just uses the finger drawing the letter in print. Use 
 a three finger flick down to change the case of the letter, the number, or 
 punctuation.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 18 Mar 2016, at 21:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> 
> I'm just wondering if anyone is using handwriting on their iPhone or iPad?
> 
> If so what do people use in the way of a stylus and or apps for 
> picking oup their handwriting
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Simon F
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RE: Handwriting on an iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

I don't have one but we have one at work that I'm having a try with tomorrow so 
I'll see how it goes.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ben J. Bloomgren
Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 12:27 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone

Does anybody have an iPad Pro with that pen? How would that work?

Ben
- Original Message - 
From: "Jenine Stanley" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 04:52
Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone


I’ve tried playing with it using the Notes app and recently tried it with an 
inexpensive stylus with poor results. I’m thinking it’s more a pressure 
issue with any stylus. It seems to work much better using just the finger.

I use it to bring up apps, to occasionally jot down phone numbers, though 
this is less used now that I have just Press Record for my Watch.

I have a friend who uses it when writing texts and email on her phone and 
she swears by it with just her finger.
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Mar 18, 2016, at 7:01 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>
> Yes but in which application does handwriting work better,
> I've tried it in word from office 365 and pages but it isn't fantastic I 
> was hoping to find something that might work better and a stylus of decent 
> quality that I can write like using a pen and paper,
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Friday, 18 March 2016 10:53 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>
> Handwriting actually just uses the finger drawing the letter in print. Use 
> a three finger flick down to change the case of the letter, the number, or 
> punctuation.
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 18 Mar 2016, at 21:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>
>> Hi List,
>>
>> I'm just wondering if anyone is using handwriting on their iPhone or 
>> iPad?
>>
>> If so what do people use in the way of a stylus and or apps for picking 
>> oup their handwriting
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Simon F
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RE: Handwriting on an iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

Word seemed to be doing ok when I tried handwriting in it.

 I'm goin g to try pages also, I just need something to take notes with during 
meetings and my handwriting is faster than my typing.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 12:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone

Notes Plus is an app which has handwriting recognition in it. The handwriting 
recognition part is an in-app purchase above the $11 AUD price for the app. 
However, the menus are the only part of the app which is accessible. For the 
sighted, Notes Plus translates handwriting into computer text. It works well 
for low vision people in school as well.

You cannot handwrite in any app we know of with VoiceOver running. The app, 7 
Nots HD, Prem will allow VoiceOver to read what was written, but VO blocks the 
ability to write in the app whilst VO is running.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Sent from my iPhone

> On 19 Mar 2016, at 23:55, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I've been looking at a couple
> Bamboo paper and MyScript note are a couple but yeah not overly friendly, why 
> these apps can't be accessible I can't figure out.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 3:56 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
> 
> I am never sure of anything. My understanding is that they are using a 
> third-party handwriting recognition app. I will check with some sighted 
> people. iOS now permits installation of third-party keyboards (a fact which 
> locked me out from using the onscreen keyboard on my iPhone last year because 
> many of them are completely inaccessible).
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 13:58, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Are you sure?
>> 
>> I have sighted associates that use handwriting on their iPads without 
>> voiceover!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
>> Chittenden
>> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 9:54 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>> 
>> Handwriting works only with VoiceOver. It is not a standard input method for 
>> iOS.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 02:36, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I found that with the stylus I had to press harder than I would if I was 
>>> writing with a pen. It wasn’t a natural thing. then again, writing using 
>>> your finger isn’t necessarily natural either. 
>>> 
>>> As you note, David, the 6S and beyond have the pressure sensitive screen 
>>> for other uses and that really messed with using a stylus for handwriting. 
>>> I’ve never triggered 3D touch using my finger for handwriting but using the 
>>> stylus, I did so often. 
>>> 
>>> Here’s a question. Does handwriting work without VO? I’d assume so and of 
>>> course would never use it that way. 
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 18, 2016, at 9:05 AM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 Increased pressure would not make a difference. The iDevice screen is 
 capacitive. The iPhone 6 S is pressure sensitive for different ways of 
 activating buttons in apps that support it.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 19 Mar 2016, at 00:52, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> I’ve tried playing with it using the Notes app and recently tried it with 
> an inexpensive stylus with poor results. I’m thinking it’s more a 
> pressure issue with any stylus. It seems to work much better using just 
> the finger. 
> 
> I use it to bring up apps, to occasionally jot down phone numbers, though 
> this is less used now that I have just Press Record for my Watch. 
> 
> I have a friend who uses it when writing texts and email on her phone and 
> she swears by it with just her finger.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 7:01 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes but in which application does handwriting work better, I've 
>> tried it in word from office 365 and pages but it isn't fantastic 
>> I was hoping to find something that might work better and a 
>> stylus of decent quality that I can write like using a pen and 
>> paper,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googleg

Lifeproof, was: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

When you say waterproof for the Lifeproof cases, would you feel comfortable 
taking it with you in the tub when getting a bath?  Notice, I didn't say a 
shower, I said a full fledged bath?  My friend did this, and though his 
phone was absolutely just fine afterward, even after he knocked it off the 
ledge of the tub face down into the water accidentally.  I dunno though. 
I'd be a little hesitant to go that far with it.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Granados" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone


Dona, I’m with you, the bulk just isn’t worth it.  I’m a life proof man 
myself.  Much m ore sleek and actually waterproof.


Taking the case apart though is quite easy, if you need step by step let me 
know.




On Mar 15, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm glad 
for the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just wondering 
if any of you who have this case put it on and take it off as needed?  If 
yes, what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking about the back, not 
the tempered glass screen protector.)

TIA,
Donna

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Re: iGrill thermometers accessability

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Love it! iGrill mini rocks! App is accessible.
> On Mar 13, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> 
> has anyone use the I grill meat thermometers that are sold through apples  
> store? They connect by Bluetooth to an I devices connect app and I'm 
> wondering if that app is accessible in all features. Do you have any other 
> experience or suggestions about grilling thermometers that talk exquisite! 
> has anyone use the I grill meat thermometers that are sold through apples 
> apples to apples store? They connect by Bluetooth to and I devices connect 
> app and I'm wondering if that app is accessible and all features. Do you have 
> any other experience or suggestions about grilling thermometers that talk 
> exquisite! has anyone use the I grill meat thermometers that are sold through 
> apples apples to apples store? They connect by Bluetooth to and I devices 
> connect app and I'm wondering if that app is accessible and all features. Do 
> you have any other experience or suggestions about grilling thermometers that 
> talk
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Re: List View or column view

[Seyoon Choi]

I usually prefer list view for most of my finder folders, though I understand 
where you are coming from as well. I would just keep the way you use to do, an 
if in column view I thought VO would report you if the folder that you are 
focused in is expanded or not. I could be wrong about that, haven’t used column 
view in awhile.
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> On Mar 16, 2016, at 7:17 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> The title of the window will tell you which folder is active. vo-f2 (or as VO 
> help calls it, Describe Window” 
>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 07:45, Sandy Finley  wrote:
>> 
>> I have been trying both to see which I prefer. I like column view because it 
>> is so easy to hit the right arrow to open a folder. I have, however, found 
>> it harder to know precisely where I am copy' something. For instance, I had 
>> my iCloud Drive in columns view and I wanted to drop a folder inn there. I 
>> went to iCloud Drive and pressed right arrow to open the list of folders. I 
>> pressed command v for paste. The contents of the clip board ended up inside 
>> a subfolder of the cloud drive rather than as ann additional subfolder 
>> itself. What is the best way to know where you are copying when in column 
>> view? Or is it just as easy to do what I am doing now, which is to fly back 
>> and forth, keeping column view mostly but switch to list view when I want to 
>> copy?
>> 
>> Sandy
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Re: Lifeproof, was: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Vaughn Brown]

Very nice! I'll have to look into it. How about a bobber in case it
falls into the water? LOL
Vaughn

On 3/16/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Chris, I’ll do you one better than that.  I’m comfortable with a life proof
> case to take the phone diving full on in the ocean let alone a tub or
> shower.  My cousin uses them for filming under water and they work well even
> at 300 feet down / greater than 100 meters.
>   I’ve also used one on an iPad in the boat for several years now with no
> issue and it also took a hit falling when we got hit by a wave off the
> console on to the deck and the screen survived unbroken.
>
>
> Thanks
> Scott
>
>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 8:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>  wrote:
>>
>> When you say waterproof for the Lifeproof cases, would you feel
>> comfortable taking it with you in the tub when getting a bath?  Notice, I
>> didn't say a shower, I said a full fledged bath?  My friend did this, and
>> though his phone was absolutely just fine afterward, even after he knocked
>> it off the ledge of the tub face down into the water accidentally.  I
>> dunno though. I'd be a little hesitant to go that far with it.
>> ---
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>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>>
>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
>> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
>>
>>
>> Dona, I’m with you, the bulk just isn’t worth it.  I’m a life proof man
>> myself.  Much m ore sleek and actually waterproof.
>>
>> Taking the case apart though is quite easy, if you need step by step let
>> me know.
>>
>>
>>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm glad
>>> for the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just wondering
>>> if any of you who have this case put it on and take it off as needed?  If
>>> yes, what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking about the back,
>>> not the tempered glass screen protector.)
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: blue tooth headsets

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

well i would rather not be the test pilot for them it seems everyone has 
aftershokz as their first choice. what kind of money am i looking at for a 
pair. my brother is going to check for me later. thanks max 
On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Volume is subjective based on many factors, but at full blast I can hear the 
> Aftershokz over traffic. I'm not in a city as busy as yours, though. As to 
> sound leaking, they've done a lot of work in that area lately. The new Trekz 
> and Bluez are supposed to practically eliminate the problem, but I have yet 
> to test that claim. I hear it's much better than it was, though. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 15:31, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> The problem I have with the Aftershokz stuff is that first it leaks like a 
>> sieve, and secondly they aren’t very loud.  They’re good for the TTS if you 
>> turn the volume up, but a lot of recordings at normal levels just won’t go 
>> that loud even if you’ve used iTunes to bump up the playback volume.  And 
>> that’s important if you’re in London with lots of howling traffic.  Of 
>> course the obvious countermeasure to this problem, that of plugging your 
>> ears, is just as dangerous as turning the volume right up.
>> 
>> So I’m also wondering where to go from here, except it probably won’t be 
>> Aftershokz—or if it is, it won’t be Aftershokz Sport.
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Re: List View or column view

[Kayaker]

Hi,

Are you aware of the command arrow down shortcut to open the selected folder? 
And, command up arrow to return you to the parent folder while in list view? 
That’s my preferred method of navigating finder windows. This is normal Finder 
behavior and not unique to VO.


Best,
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questions.


On Mar 16, 2016, at 7:45 AM, Sandy Finley  wrote:

> I have been trying both to see which I prefer. I like column view because it 
> is so easy to hit the right arrow to open a folder. I have, however, found it 
> harder to know precisely where I am copy' something. For instance, I had my 
> iCloud Drive in columns view and I wanted to drop a folder inn there. I went 
> to iCloud Drive and pressed right arrow to open the list of folders. I 
> pressed command v for paste. The contents of the clip board ended up inside a 
> subfolder of the cloud drive rather than as ann additional subfolder itself. 
> What is the best way to know where you are copying when in column view? Or is 
> it just as easy to do what I am doing now, which is to fly back and forth, 
> keeping column view mostly but switch to list view when I want to copy?
> 
> Sandy
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Re: ibooks storage?

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi,
Have you tried going into the purchases section in either itunes or the ibook 
store and redownloading them?

I am out of suggestions if this doesn’t work..
Cait

> On Mar 16, 2016, at 1:32 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> What about if you have lost yorur iPod and the books both audio and e books 
> from it, as well as you've reimaged your computer and the books haven't 
> updated back to your iiTunes account.
> 
> How do I get my books back into my account as I've paid for them 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2016 8:50 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: ibooks storage?
> 
> Hello Caitlyn,
> Here’s where to find your iBooks:
> ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.BKAgentService/Data/Documents/iBooks/
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, the names are not meaningful and the file type is epub.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
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Re: siri and iphone

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I’ve tried everything but turning on and off siri. I’ll try that.
> On Mar 19, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
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> I’ve tried a couple things if the issue doesn’t clear itself after a few 
> tries. 
> 
> 1. turn off VO and turn it back on using triple click hom. Sometimes even 
> just turning on and off speech using 3-finger double tap works as well. 
> 
> 2. the standard press and hold of the Home and Power buttons for 10 seconds. 
> 
> 3. Turning Siri off and back on via settings. 
> 
> These usually clear things up right away.
> Jenine Stanley
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> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 19, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> It likes to do that to me on occasion as well, then just suddenly clears up, 
>> so have no idea what to make of that.
>>> On Mar 19, 2016, at 6:53 AM, Ben J. Bloomgren  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's happening to me intermittantly as well. it seems to have stopped for 
>>> now, but we shall see.
>>> 
>>> Ben
>>> - Original Message - From: "Sarai Bucciarelli" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 19:14
>>> Subject: siri and iphone
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi:
 I have an iPhone 6s. Siri stopped opening apps! It says the apps do not 
 exist. They do exist. I tried clearing ram, resetting phone by holding 
 home and apple buttons, and power on and off phone. No luck! Any ideas?
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Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Donna Goodin]

No, my mute switch is inset, but exposed.
Donna
> On Mar 17, 2016, at 5:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Then, you don't have a defender, as the defender has the ports, and the mute 
> switch covered with a little door.
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> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 7:54 AM
> Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
> 
> 
> Thanks Scott.  Interesting.  The Case I have, the ports are already open. 
> They're inset, but there's nothing to open.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 7:36 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Dona, you pull back the rubber from the outside.  I find it easier to start 
>> to pry the rubber free by opening the ports and using them to gently remove 
>> the rubber from the frame.
>> 
>> Then once the rubber is removed you feel clips on each side and the bottom.  
>> Use a finger nail or something and pull each clip free and the top slides 
>> out.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 7:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't know which one it is, I didn't pay that close of attention. I can 
>>> tell you that I'm able to get it loose by pulling back the top right 
>>> corner, but the case does not seem to want to let go of the phone!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 15, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 You should be able to just use a fingernail on the top corner edge, and 
 peal it off.
 
 I personally don't mind the extra bulk, and actually find it makes my 
 phone feel a bit more solid.  I swear by mine.
 
 Also, you say you got an Otterbox.  Which one though, as that will 
 determine how you get it off.  Are you using the Defender?
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 - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
 To: 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:29 PM
 Subject: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm glad 
 for the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just wondering 
 if any of you who have this case put it on and take it off as needed? If 
 yes, what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking about the back, not 
 the tempered glass screen protector.)
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Design pattern usability study and CSUN 2016 UXathon | The Paciello Group – Your Accessibility Partner (WCAG 2.0/508 audits, VPAT, usability and accessible user experience)

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

For those out there who want to see a better web, filling out this survey would 
be useful. My reading of the survey is that they put several different ways of 
doing the same thing together, and want to find out which ones work best.



> https://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2016/03/design-pattern-usability-study-and-csun-2016-uxathon/
>  
> 
> 
> Design pattern usability study and CSUN 2016 UXathon
> 
> Here’s your chance to help define what is meant by an accessible web 
> experience!
> 
> 
> We’re interested in finding out more about how some common user interface 
> design patterns can be made as useful as possible to use by people with 
> disabilities. This will take place through two activities:
> 
> An online Design Pattern Usability Study, which will provide information for
> The CSUN 2016 UXathon
> The results of both activities will be contributed to the W3C Accessible Rich 
> Internet Applications Working Group to help improve WAI-ARIA Authoring 
> Practices. You’ll be helping to improve the user experience for anyone using 
> a site that makes use of these design patterns.
> 
> 
> Design Pattern Usability Study
> 
> We’re looking for people who use a range of assistive technologies and input 
> devices, such as keyboards and voice input, to take part in a study 
> evaluating some examples of different types of interactive web content. Each 
> example is designed with accessibility in mind, but takes a different 
> approach to the same problem.
> 
> The study involves taking an online survey, which will ask you questions 
> about your assistive technology use, and then invite you to use some user 
> interface component examples, and report on your experience of using these 
> examples.
> 
> Design Pattern Usability Survey 
> 
> CSUN’s First UXathon
> 
> The information gathered from the online survey will be used to support a 
> UXathon event at this year’s CSUN conference 
> 
>  in San Diego. We’re very grateful to the CSUN conference organising team for 
> their support in enabling this event to happen.
> 
> The UXathon will take place in two stages, and we are looking for 
> participants to be involved in each stage.
> 
> Stage 1: Follow-up evaluation
> 
> In the first stage of the UXathon, we’ll invite people who took part in the 
> online survey to test the same examples as featured in the study, but this 
> time in person, so that we can ask follow-up questions and invite 
> participants to express their opinions in more detail.
> 
> With participants’ permission, we will record these sessions, allowing 
> designers and developers more insight, as they will also be able to see and 
> hear how people interact with each example.
> 
> If you’ll be at CSUN and would like to take part in this first stage of the 
> UXathon, we strongly encourage you to complete the online survey first.
> 
> Stage 2: Hacking solutions
> 
> For the second stage of the UXathon, we are looking for developers and 
> designers to join us the morning of Saturday, March 26 from 9:00 – 12:00.
> 
> The purpose of this stage will be to take the feedback we’ve gathered from 
> the online study and follow-up evaluations, and hack solutions to enhance the 
> design patterns further. The results will be shared widely, and will be 
> available for comment by those who cannot attend the CSUN Conference.
> 
> Are you interested?
> 
> If you’d like to take part, you can go directly to the online survey, or 
> contact us directly by emailing csunuxat...@gmail.com 
>  with the subject CSUN 
> UXathon. Let us know in which stage you would like to participate (you can 
> participate in both if you like!), so we can send you the right information.
> 
> We expect lots of interest in the first CSUN UXathon and can’t guarantee 
> space for everyone who signs up. We thank you in advance for your 
> understanding. 
> 
> The Deque aXe Hackathon
> 
> You may also be interested in another exciting event taking place on the 
> final Saturday of CSUN. Our colleagues at Deque are organising an aXe 
> accessibility hackathon, exploring solutions using their aXe technology. For 
> more information, see the Deque web site .

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Re: Lifeproof, was: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Scott Granados]

Well, that’s actually an interesting question even though it was meant tongue 
and cheek.  Part of my time studying in college was interning on a SONAR 
project with the Navy.  Set content, temperature, the fact it’s water, all have 
a big impact on the sound.  Things are less bass heavy because of the way waves 
propagate.  Listen to some under water recordings of whales to get an idea.


> On Mar 16, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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> 
> I wonder how music sounds from 300 feet under the ocean.  LOL!  Sorry guys! 
> Heheheheh, I couldn't resist!  I had to do it!
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> - Original Message - From: "Vaughn Brown" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Lifeproof, was: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
> 
> 
> Very nice! I'll have to look into it. How about a bobber in case it
> falls into the water? LOL
> Vaughn
> 
> On 3/16/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> Chris, I’ll do you one better than that.  I’m comfortable with a life proof
>> case to take the phone diving full on in the ocean let alone a tub or
>> shower.  My cousin uses them for filming under water and they work well even
>> at 300 feet down / greater than 100 meters.
>> I’ve also used one on an iPad in the boat for several years now with no
>> issue and it also took a hit falling when we got hit by a wave off the
>> console on to the deck and the screen survived unbroken.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 8:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When you say waterproof for the Lifeproof cases, would you feel
>>> comfortable taking it with you in the tub when getting a bath?  Notice, I
>>> didn't say a shower, I said a full fledged bath?  My friend did this, and
>>> though his phone was absolutely just fine afterward, even after he knocked
>>> it off the ledge of the tub face down into the water accidentally.  I
>>> dunno though. I'd be a little hesitant to go that far with it.
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>>> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:35 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dona, I’m with you, the bulk just isn’t worth it.  I’m a life proof man
>>> myself.  Much m ore sleek and actually waterproof.
>>> 
>>> Taking the case apart though is quite easy, if you need step by step let
>>> me know.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 15, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm glad
 for the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just wondering
 if any of you who have this case put it on and take it off as needed? If
 yes, what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking about the back,
 not the tempered glass screen protector.)
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Is there any way to figure out the format used in a PDF file in Preview?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I tried using the inspector, but still can't determine the font of my document. 
 If anyone knows how to do this, your help would be greatly appreciated.
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Remote control software for mac and windows?

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Ahh, in the past when this came up it was usually the audio where 
various solutions would fail. The issue goes back about two decades when 
the RFB (Remote FrameBuffer) protocol was developed. Back then most 
remote server machines didn't do much important with audio besides beep, 
so the protocol doesn't support it. RFB is the basis of many (most?) 
screen sharing solutions, such as VNC, and mostly acts as a networked 
KVM (keyboard, video, mouse). I guess if they were doing it again today 
audio would be addressed but currently the audio bit is left to various 
separate proprietary solutions.


CB

On 3/16/16 2:45 PM, Carter Temm wrote:

I was more thinking over a longer distance, in the case I would not be
able to here the speech. However, it could be helpful to know of
resources that would work closer and not need speech. Because like
stated before, I could always use something such as loopback or
soundflower if needed, hopefully last solution.

On 3/16/16, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
 wrote:

Are you saying you have both machines on your desk and just want to
share one keyboard between both of them?

CB

On 3/16/16 7:38 AM, Carter Temm wrote:

Hi all,
I currently use both mac and windows in a business environment. What I am
wondering, is there an application that  you use to control a mac using
windows. I am using the NVDA screen reader. I know that at one time,
although it was not released to the public, someone made the NVDA remote
add-on able to sand keys to the mac. If anyone has this, it would be nice
as I can’t seem to figure this concept out. Otherwise, any apps used would
be nice
thanksÎ


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Re: Cleaning IPhone screen, perhaps an obvious question

[Seyoon Choi]

I myself personally is quite a neat freak and like to keep my products clean. 
When it comes down to cleaning iPhone screen, unless you have screen protectors 
please do not apply water to clean the screen. If it’s simply a dust you might 
want to apply a little bit of water but keep in mind that Apple’s touch screens 
have oilofobic coating which prevents fingerprint oils to be smudged all over 
the screen. I personally prefer using the soft microfiber cleaning cloth and it 
seem to work really well. Just remember, you can use any cleaning solutions but 
make sure you don’t apply as much water as possible to keep the nice oliofobic 
coating. The more water being applied to a screen, the coating will begin to 
wear off and diminish.
HTH
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> On Mar 16, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Actually Ben, not if you get the kind that isn't rough.  They make paper 
> towels which have more a fuzzy smoother texture.
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>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Ben J. Bloomgren 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 1:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: Cleaning IPhone screen, perhaps an obvious question
>> 
>> I would think that the paper towel would scratch the screen.
>>  
>> Ben
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Feliciano Godoy 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 17:52
>>> Subject: Re: Cleaning IPhone screen, perhaps an obvious question
>>> 
>>> I damp a paper towel a wipe. 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Feliciano
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>>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 5:22 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
 This probably to most of you is gonna seem like a really dumb thing to do, 
 but I'm curious, not so much if you all think it's a good idea, as much as 
 how many of you all do this same exact thing.  I did this the other night 
 when my mom was up in my room, and she just about strangled me, saying how 
 bad of an idea it was.  Not sure why though.  I've done this now for so 
 long, and every time, it's never caused dammage.
  
 So, here's my question.  How many of you, when your screen gets really 
 dirty will actually take a fully moisted babywipe straight from it's 
 container, and apply it to the bare screen?  These I'm using are Huggy's 
 non scented, non lotion.  They don't have powder, nor allo or anything in 
 them.  So, I can't imagine why it would be that bad.  Now, if they did? 
 That would be another story.  What do you all think.  Based on the fact 
 they don't have any of that stuff, can you see any reason why this would 
 be a dumb move?
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Getting into my trash folder

[Jenine Stanley]

I have some raw audio files I need to move and work with that are currently in 
my trash folder after an Amadeus Pro crash. How in the world do I get to the 
Trash folder? This feels like one of those DUH type questions. 
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Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Wow, I never had that with the clip, but then again, I hardly ever wear mine 
in the clip as for me, I'm a bit chubby around the beltline, so when I go to 
sit down, the clip squeezes into my side/lovehandle area, which is really 
uncomfortable.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Jessica Moss" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone


I’ve noticed that too; in my oppinion, for the money you put into them, they’re 
really poorly made.  I love their ruggedness, but can’t stand the fact that 
you can’t use the clip they come with without it tearing the casing to 
shreds.
 I’ve had 3 of them, and it either chipped the metal part of the casing, or 
shredded the rubber around the outside, or both.  When it came to the first 
one I got, repeated use of the clip ground the metal on one side to the 
point that when I put it into the clip one afternoon, I heard this sound 
like sand moving around under someone’s shoes, so I took it out, and and 
part of the side of it looked like someone who’d had a cavity, or something 
weird like that.

On Mar 16, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:

Hi. You don't really want to take it off, unless you absolutely have to. 
The more you take it on and off, the looser the rubber portion of the case 
becomes, which in my opinion is the worst part about that case. For the 
amount of money those cases cost, they should be better designed. Correct 
me if I'm wrong, but you're talking about the defender series, right? If 
not, I stand corrected.


Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 16, 2016, at 7:09 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Well, still haven't figured out how to get it off. lol  Guess this 
answers my question, I won't take it off unless I decide I don't want to 
use it any more.

Cheers,
Donna
On Mar 15, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Those cases are a royal, B***! to get off!  It can be done, but not 
easily. the trick is to find the little square nub on either the left 
side, or the right side.  It'll be about halfway down the length of the 
case.  You basically just have to get your fingernail up there in 
between both the front and back of that hard case, and pull it apart. 
Be ready to probably cut your finger a teeny bit though when doing it, 
as it's a little bit sharp.  These things aren't meant to come off 
easily.


You might be able to pry a butterknife or something in there and pop it, 
but I'd not chance it.  That could be a little bit risky.  I'm telling 
you right now, it's not gonna be an easy chore!  It was fairly easy to 
do with the IPhone 5, and 5S cases, and I think, even the 5C cases, but 
once they went to the 6 cases which were thinner, it made it really 
really difficult. Don't be afraid that you're gonna break it, as it's 
not giving way.  It'll come, I promise ya, but you're really gonna have 
to pull, and, buddy? I, mean, pull!  Hard!

---
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- Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone


I don't know which one it is, I didn't pay that close of attention. I 
can tell you that I'm able to get it loose by pulling back the top right 
corner, but the case does not seem to want to let go of the phone!


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 15, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


You should be able to just use a fingernail on the top corner edge, and 
peal it off.


I personally don't mind the extra bulk, and actually find it makes my 
phone feel a bit more solid.  I swear by mine.


Also, you say you got an Otterbox.  Which one though, as that will 
determine how you get it off.  Are you using the Defender?

---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

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- Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:29 PM
Subject: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone


Hi all,

As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm 
glad for the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just 
wondering if any of you who have this case put it on and take it off as 
needed?  If yes, what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking 
about the back, not the tempered glass screen protector.)

TIA,
Donna

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Re: iPad settings navigation

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Well, that's certainly faster than jumping to the end of the settings 
and flicking backwards but it still seems like focus should move there 
automatically when I double-tap a particular preference. So this is how 
it used to work? Did focus land on the first control or just the first 
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CB

On 3/9/16 6:10 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Aa, chris, my friend.  You need to turn your rotor to containers.  Two 
finger twist until you get there.  Then, flick up and down with one 
finger. This will jump you from the settings on the left side to the 
setting content of the setting payne which is currently selected.


Hope that helps.

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Subject: iPad settings navigation


I usually use an iPhone but I was helping a Android developer who wanted
to know how best to implement a accessible tablet UI with a split pane
such as a column of items on the left which, when selected, displays
some kind of stuff on the right - like Settings on iOS. So I said I
would check how Apple did it because that would probably be a good
example. Now on the phone, when I go to settings and pick something,
such as "General", the whole screen changes and my focus lands on the
"Settings" button to take me back where I was. On the iPad this is not
the case. Because the list of settings and the UI for the selected
setting are on the screen all the time, when I double-tap a settings the
right side reloads with the UI but my focus just lands on the Settings
heading at the top. I was kinda hoping my focus would just move to the
first item in the right pane for me. I can just randomly tap over there
but is there some gesture to jump to the right side? I can also
four-finger tap at the bottom of the screen which takes me to the last
item and then flick left (backwards) through the various items but it
seems like there should be a better way.

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Re: siri and iphone

[Jenine Stanley]

I’ve tried a couple things if the issue doesn’t clear itself after a few tries. 

1. turn off VO and turn it back on using triple click hom. Sometimes even just 
turning on and off speech using 3-finger double tap works as well. 

2. the standard press and hold of the Home and Power buttons for 10 seconds. 

3. Turning Siri off and back on via settings. 

These usually clear things up right away.
Jenine Stanley
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> On Mar 19, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> It likes to do that to me on occasion as well, then just suddenly clears up, 
> so have no idea what to make of that.
>> On Mar 19, 2016, at 6:53 AM, Ben J. Bloomgren  
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>> 
>> That's happening to me intermittantly as well. it seems to have stopped for 
>> now, but we shall see.
>> 
>> Ben
>> - Original Message - From: "Sarai Bucciarelli" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 19:14
>> Subject: siri and iphone
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> I have an iPhone 6s. Siri stopped opening apps! It says the apps do not 
>>> exist. They do exist. I tried clearing ram, resetting phone by holding home 
>>> and apple buttons, and power on and off phone. No luck! Any ideas?
>>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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Re: converting mp4 videos to mp3 audio only

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
So i can install apt-get to m my mac?
Or isn’t that a package manager?
/A
> 15 mars 2016 kl. 08:23 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :
> 
> And as always, the command line is your friend: OS X includes avconvert, and 
> you can get and use ffmpeg from your favourite package manager.  That’s how 
> I’d do this.
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Re: Numbers Questions

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Hmm, if you just want to jump between sheets in a single document it's 
command-shift-bracket with left-bracket being the previous sheet and 
right-bracket being the next sheet. These are the same commands to 
switch tabs in Safari.


CB

On 3/17/16 9:43 AM, Phil Halton wrote:

Number one
There is no jump command per se. You have to stop interacting with the sheet 
layout area where your tables are for a given sheet, and navigate left to the 
sheet navigation tab group where you can select the sheet you want to work in. 
Then after selecting your sheet you have two choices one, you can stop 
interacting with the navigation group and navigate over to the sheet layout 
area, or two, you can bring up the context menu for the sheet with Volvo shift 
M and select the table you want to work in for that sheet.
Your second question number two as to renaming a sheet, in that same context 
menu for the given sheet there is a rename option.
And finally for number three, no alas, there is no way to stop volt from 
speaking the row numbers, You'll just have to get used to it.
BTW: I'm kind of surprised you couldn't find the way to move between sheets as 
it's just a matter of an interacting and exploring the upper level of the app. 
Also it's always a good idea to try to bring up a context menu for any element 
that you want to find out more about.

Sent from my IPhone



On Mar 17, 2016, at 5:37 AM, Sandy Finley  wrote:

I posed 2 numbers questions on this list and have not yet received a response - 
since I have  a third, i will just put them together in  this message.

1. What is the command to jump between work sheets in a spreadsheet? I cannot 
find it.

2. How does one name a work sheet?

3. Is there a way to get VoiceOver to read the data in a field without constantly 
indicating the position of the field? There  are  times when hearing "a1" with 
the data is distracting.

Sandy
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Re: Cleaning IPhone screen, perhaps an obvious question

[Kayaker]

Hi,

>From your iPhone manual:

"To clean iPhone, unplug all cables and turn off iPhone (press and hold the 
Sleep/ Wake button, then slide the onscreen slider). Use a soft, slightly damp, 
lint-free cloth. Avoid getting moisture in openings. Don’t use window cleaners, 
household cleaners, aerosol sprays, solvents, alcohol, ammonia, or abrasives to 
clean iPhone.”

So, although I do not know of any reason why you shouldn’t, Apple seems to 
think otherwise.

Best,
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Faith doesn’t give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
questions.


On Mar 16, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:

> Hi,
> I’ve used a damp baby wipe-the kind without powder, aloe, etc, in a pinch.  I 
> usually will get a small peice of paper towel, make it only slightly damp, 
> then wipe the screen carefully with it, then wipe with a dry one.
> 
> I don’t need to do this very often, though.  Not sure why it’d be bad.
> 
> Caitlyn
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This probably to most of you is gonna seem like a really dumb thing to do, 
>> but I'm curious, not so much if you all think it's a good idea, as much as 
>> how many of you all do this same exact thing.  I did this the other night 
>> when my mom was up in my room, and she just about strangled me, saying how 
>> bad of an idea it was.  Not sure why though.  I've done this now for so 
>> long, and every time, it's never caused dammage.
>>  
>> So, here's my question.  How many of you, when your screen gets really dirty 
>> will actually take a fully moisted babywipe straight from it's container, 
>> and apply it to the bare screen?  These I'm using are Huggy's non scented, 
>> non lotion.  They don't have powder, nor allo or anything in them.  So, I 
>> can't imagine why it would be that bad.  Now, if they did? That would be 
>> another story.  What do you all think.  Based on the fact they don't have 
>> any of that stuff, can you see any reason why this would be a dumb move?
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Re: Lifeproof, was: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Actually, they're not cheap, no, but I don't think they're quite that much. 
Last I looked, I remember them being around $79USD.

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- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: Lifeproof, was: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone


Join the club, those phones are super expensive lol.  If I remember 
correctly, the life proof cases are too.

 Aren’t they about $100 or something along those lines?
On Mar 16, 2016, at 8:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


When you say waterproof for the Lifeproof cases, would you feel 
comfortable taking it with you in the tub when getting a bath?  Notice, I 
didn't say a shower, I said a full fledged bath?  My friend did this, and 
though his phone was absolutely just fine afterward, even after he knocked 
it off the ledge of the tub face down into the water accidentally.  I 
dunno though. I'd be a little hesitant to go that far with it.

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- Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone


Dona, I’m with you, the bulk just isn’t worth it.  I’m a life proof man 
myself.  Much m ore sleek and actually waterproof.


Taking the case apart though is quite easy, if you need step by step let 
me know.




On Mar 15, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm glad 
for the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just wondering 
if any of you who have this case put it on and take it off as needed?  If 
yes, what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking about the back, 
not the tempered glass screen protector.)

TIA,
Donna

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Re: VoiceOver Setting in Numbers

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi,
what about setting the verbosity to low? Should work. Put it in an Numbers 
activity and you are fine.
All the best
Jürgen

> Am 19.03.2016 um 15:27 schrieb Phil Halton :
> 
> This problem of announcing the table position was introduced with the last 
> version, and as far as I can tell, there's no way to shut it off.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Mar 19, 2016, at 6:15 AM, Sandy Finley  wrote:
>> 
>> I have set some keyboard shortcuts in Numbers for common tasks including: 
>> Delete Row 
>> delete Column 
>> Add Row Above and 
>> Resize Row to Fit Content. 
>> 
>> My current Numbers question is  VO related. When I up and down arrow through 
>> the data in a column, VO reads both data and position of the cell in the 
>> table. Is there a way to tell VO not to read the position? It can be 
>> distracting. 
>> Sandy
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Remote control software for mac and windows?

[Carter Temm]

Hi all,
I currently use both mac and windows in a business environment. What I am 
wondering, is there an application that  you use to control a mac using 
windows. I am using the NVDA screen reader. I know that at one time, although 
it was not released to the public, someone made the NVDA remote add-on able to 
sand keys to the mac. If anyone has this, it would be nice as I can’t seem to 
figure this concept out. Otherwise, any apps used would be nice
thanksÎ

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Re: iGrill thermometers accessability

[Gerard Doody]

Hi all, I wonder if anyone has used any of the other iGrill products and if 
that are as good as the iGrill thermometer I have for bbqing.  I love and and 
can’t wait to grill again as the weather is warming up here in Vermont.  If 
anyone has info, let me know. 
Jerry Doody
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On Mar 17, 2016, at 2:38 pm, Scott Granados  wrote:

That’s very cool.

I could have used a thermometer like that when I was growing weed indoors.;)

Seriously though, I like the idea of being able to use it with the grill.  I 
like to BBQ and always needed sited help to determine the temp.


> On Mar 17, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Agreed! Got mine yesterday and used it last night grilling some chicken. 
> Works great and I can finally tell the temperature of the meet.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
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> 
>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Love it! iGrill mini rocks! App is accessible.
>>> On Mar 13, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> has anyone use the I grill meat thermometers that are sold through apples  
>>> store? They connect by Bluetooth to an I devices connect app and I'm 
>>> wondering if that app is accessible in all features. Do you have any other 
>>> experience or suggestions about grilling thermometers that talk exquisite! 
>>> has anyone use the I grill meat thermometers that are sold through apples 
>>> apples to apples store? They connect by Bluetooth to and I devices connect 
>>> app and I'm wondering if that app is accessible and all features. Do you 
>>> have any other experience or suggestions about grilling thermometers that 
>>> talk exquisite! has anyone use the I grill meat thermometers that are sold 
>>> through apples apples to apples store? They connect by Bluetooth to and I 
>>> devices connect app and I'm wondering if that app is accessible and all 
>>> features. Do you have any other experience or suggestions about grilling 
>>> thermometers that talk
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Re: ibooks storage?

[Anne Robertson]

I don’t like iBooks and rarely buy them. I prefer to buy from Kobo. The Kobo 
app works fine on my iPhone, less well on an iPad, and on the Mac, Adobe 
Digital Editions reads Kobo books. Adobe Digital Editions puts a folder in the 
Documents folder and the files have meaningful names. Also, Kobo books are 
usually cheaper than iBooks.
I prefer Kobo to Kindle since I can’t read Kindle books on my Mac.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 17 Mar 2016, at 16:23, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to the new iBooks storage location, it’s now very hard to back up your 
> stuff.  In prior days, Books was just a folder in your iTunes media folder, 
> which could be anywhere on your drive or on another file system altogether.  
> My advice is to keep a separate Books folder somewhere with all the PDFs and 
> third-party ePub books you bought.  You can then add those back to iBooks.  
> Download the rest of it from within iBooks itself.  And of course the one 
> sanctioned approach to backing up iBooks, one by one, requires drag and drop, 
> can’t be done from the keyboard, and doesn’t work at all with VoiceOver.
> 
> I wish Apple weren’t so damned determined to promote their own walled garden 
> at the expense of everything and everyone else any time they come out with 
> their latest new tat. It’s hateful. iBooks for Mac just makes me want to go 
> back to Windows sometimes, because it’s not at all clear to me what the value 
> proposition is for Mac users. This was clearly another product of the 
> iOSification of OS X.
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Re: iGrill thermometers accessability

[Phil Halton]

Agreed! Got mine yesterday and used it last night grilling some chicken. Works 
great and I can finally tell the temperature of the meet.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Mar 17, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
> wrote:
> 
> Love it! iGrill mini rocks! App is accessible.
>> On Mar 13, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> has anyone use the I grill meat thermometers that are sold through apples  
>> store? They connect by Bluetooth to an I devices connect app and I'm 
>> wondering if that app is accessible in all features. Do you have any other 
>> experience or suggestions about grilling thermometers that talk exquisite! 
>> has anyone use the I grill meat thermometers that are sold through apples 
>> apples to apples store? They connect by Bluetooth to and I devices connect 
>> app and I'm wondering if that app is accessible and all features. Do you 
>> have any other experience or suggestions about grilling thermometers that 
>> talk exquisite! has anyone use the I grill meat thermometers that are sold 
>> through apples apples to apples store? They connect by Bluetooth to and I 
>> devices connect app and I'm wondering if that app is accessible and all 
>> features. Do you have any other experience or suggestions about grilling 
>> thermometers that talk
>> Sent from my IPhone
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RE: Handwriting on an iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

Are you sure?

I have sighted associates that use handwriting on their iPads without voiceover!

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On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 9:54 AM
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Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone

Handwriting works only with VoiceOver. It is not a standard input method for 
iOS.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Sent from my iPhone

> On 19 Mar 2016, at 02:36, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> I found that with the stylus I had to press harder than I would if I was 
> writing with a pen. It wasn’t a natural thing. then again, writing using your 
> finger isn’t necessarily natural either. 
> 
> As you note, David, the 6S and beyond have the pressure sensitive screen for 
> other uses and that really messed with using a stylus for handwriting. I’ve 
> never triggered 3D touch using my finger for handwriting but using the 
> stylus, I did so often. 
> 
> Here’s a question. Does handwriting work without VO? I’d assume so and of 
> course would never use it that way. 
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 9:05 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Increased pressure would not make a difference. The iDevice screen is 
>> capacitive. The iPhone 6 S is pressure sensitive for different ways of 
>> activating buttons in apps that support it.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
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>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 00:52, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve tried playing with it using the Notes app and recently tried it with 
>>> an inexpensive stylus with poor results. I’m thinking it’s more a pressure 
>>> issue with any stylus. It seems to work much better using just the finger. 
>>> 
>>> I use it to bring up apps, to occasionally jot down phone numbers, though 
>>> this is less used now that I have just Press Record for my Watch. 
>>> 
>>> I have a friend who uses it when writing texts and email on her phone and 
>>> she swears by it with just her finger.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 18, 2016, at 7:01 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Yes but in which application does handwriting work better, I've 
 tried it in word from office 365 and pages but it isn't fantastic I 
 was hoping to find something that might work better and a stylus of 
 decent quality that I can write like using a pen and paper,
 
 
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
 Chittenden
 Sent: Friday, 18 March 2016 10:53 PM
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 Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
 
 Handwriting actually just uses the finger drawing the letter in print. Use 
 a three finger flick down to change the case of the letter, the number, or 
 punctuation.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 18 Mar 2016, at 21:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi List,
> 
> I'm just wondering if anyone is using handwriting on their iPhone or iPad?
> 
> If so what do people use in the way of a stylus and or apps for 
> picking oup their handwriting
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Simon F
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I stick with the Aftershokz Bluez sports, the latest headphones in that range.  
I can’t wear bluetooth ear pieces as my ears are too small so for me right now, 
these aftershokz are ideal due to my ears being so small.  Light weight and 
comfortable to wear all day and improved in the weather.

Thanks.

Kawal.
> On 19 Mar 2016, at 15:58, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I’ve heard less than positive things about them so have stayed away from 
> them.  Also they don’t sound like they would be particularly high fidelity to 
> me but that could be just me being picky.  
> 
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve just bought myself an Aftershokz Bluez 2S headset and wonder if i’ve 
>> made a mistake. The reviews in the blind community aren’t so good. Some say 
>> they are uncomfortable and that they break and the sound isn’t good and so 
>> on which makes me wonder what i’ve done.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 18 mars 2016 kl. 20:31 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :
>>> 
>>> The problem I have with the Aftershokz stuff is that first it leaks like a 
>>> sieve, and secondly they aren’t very loud.  They’re good for the TTS if you 
>>> turn the volume up, but a lot of recordings at normal levels just won’t go 
>>> that loud even if you’ve used iTunes to bump up the playback volume.  And 
>>> that’s important if you’re in London with lots of howling traffic.  Of 
>>> course the obvious countermeasure to this problem, that of plugging your 
>>> ears, is just as dangerous as turning the volume right up.
>>> 
>>> So I’m also wondering where to go from here, except it probably won’t be 
>>> Aftershokz—or if it is, it won’t be Aftershokz Sport.
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Re: Recording on the Apple watch?

[Scott Granados]

Ok this is a fantastic pointer.  Thank ou I’m going to install this now.

> On Mar 18, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Agreed, this is one of my favourite Apple Watch apps other than the fitness 
> stuff and my sleep tracker. You can get a Mac app for it too, so there's a 
> suite of Just Press Record apps and they're all accessible.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
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>> On 19/03/2016, at 2:40 AM, Jenine Stanley > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Percy, 
>> 
>> You get an app called Just Press Record and install it on your phone. It 
>> will then also be installed on your Watch. Make sure to enable it for your 
>> Watch. 
>> 
>> Once that’s done, you can set it as a complication on the Watch face. Just 
>> double tap and wait to feel the haptic that means you are recording. It 
>> automatically starts recording, most of the time anyway. It can be slow to 
>> load though. 
>> 
>> The Watch app now also has a wa y to play back the recent recordings before 
>> dumping them to your phone, which it does automatically. Oh, to stop a 
>> recording, flick over to the Stop Button. then double tap on Save in the 
>> upper right corner to save the recording and send it to the app on your 
>> phone. If you have iCloud set up, it will save your recordings there and 
>> save space on your phone. 
>> 
>> This is an invaluable app to me.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Percy Garrett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jenine, how do you record on your watch? Thanks!
>>> Percy Garrett
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Jenine Stanley
>>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 6:52 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>>> 
>>> I’ve tried playing with it using the Notes app and recently tried it with 
>>> an inexpensive stylus with poor results. I’m thinking it’s more a pressure 
>>> issue with any stylus. It seems to work much better using just the finger.
>>> 
>>> I use it to bring up apps, to occasionally jot down phone numbers, though 
>>> this is less used now that I have just Press Record for my Watch.
>>> 
>>> I have a friend who uses it when writing texts and email on her phone and 
>>> she swears by it with just her finger.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 18, 2016, at 7:01 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Yes but in which application does handwriting work better,
 I've tried it in word from office 365 and pages but it isn't fantastic I 
 was hoping to find something that might work better and a stylus of decent 
 quality that I can write like using a pen and paper,
 
 
 
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 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
 Sent: Friday, 18 March 2016 10:53 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
 
 Handwriting actually just uses the finger drawing the letter in print. Use 
 a three finger flick down to change the case of the letter, the number, or 
 punctuation.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 18 Mar 2016, at 21:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> 
> I'm just wondering if anyone is using handwriting on their iPhone or iPad?
> 
> If so what do people use in the way of a stylus and or apps for picking 
> oup their handwriting
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Simon F
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Re: Is it Antimosquito, or is it my iPhone?

[Scott Granados]

Ben you aren’t kidding.  I remember the first night I moved to florida and we 
parked the car in the driveway instead of the attached garage.  Several of your 
mosquitos tried to fly off with it.;) haha

Seriously though, one of my customers was the Mosquito Control district out of 
Marathon.  You guys take your Mosquitos seriously down there.  I had all kinds 
of gismos and foggers installed.  Even with the bugs Florida was a great place 
to live.


> On Mar 18, 2016, at 6:25 PM, ben J. Bloomgren  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> It's another gorgeous day in the Valley of the Sun, and I was thinking about 
> the oncoming need for mosquito repellent.
> 
> Back when I had my iPhone Five, I used an app called Anti mosquito 3.1. It's 
> by a developer named Dong Wook Kim. Here's the app link:
> 
> Anti Mosquito 3.1 by Dong-Wook Kim
> https://appsto.re/us/dAq3r.i
> 
> Oddly, however, when I open it, it throws me back onto the home screen. When 
> I look in the app switcher, it's still there. Is my iPhone 6 S doing 
> something untoward, or is the app as buggy as a Florida summer?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ben
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Re: Sleep tracking apps?

[Scott Granados]

I didn’t think the Apple watch collected sleep data, I thought that was going 
to be added in the next addition.  I’m glad to here my impression is wrong.

I used a fitbit to accomplish this and it worked really well.  I switched away 
from it because the Apple watch is much more accessible for what I want to do 
but I was under the impression the tracking was more motion / stand / calories 
oriented.  (judging by the activities output etc).

Learned something new, thank you Jonathan and all.

> On Mar 18, 2016, at 7:17 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna and all, I use Sleep++. I like this app a lot as it interfaces 
> directly with the Health app. I'm collecting a lot of health data now, so I 
> can get a picture of the things I am doing that help me sleep better.
> In terms of charging the watch, I have a daily workout routine which ends in 
> a 30 minute sauna, and a cold shower. During that period, I put the watch on 
> charge. By the time I'm organised and ready to put the watch back on, it's 
> probably been charging for an hour and a bit, which gives it a surprising 
> amount of juice.
> Also, if I've achieved my three goals which I tend to do easily by dinner 
> time, I take the watch off, and charge it until bed time. This routine means 
> I can wear the watch when sleeping, and I haven't come close to being out of 
> juice during the day.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>> On 19/03/2016, at 8:06 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> 
>> What sleep tracking app do you use?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Agreed, this is one of my favourite Apple Watch apps other than the fitness 
>>> stuff and my sleep tracker. You can get a Mac app for it too, so there's a 
>>> suite of Just Press Record apps and they're all accessible.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org 
 On 19/03/2016, at 2:40 AM, Jenine Stanley >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Percy, 
 
 You get an app called Just Press Record and install it on your phone. It 
 will then also be installed on your Watch. Make sure to enable it for your 
 Watch. 
 
 Once that’s done, you can set it as a complication on the Watch face. Just 
 double tap and wait to feel the haptic that means you are recording. It 
 automatically starts recording, most of the time anyway. It can be slow to 
 load though. 
 
 The Watch app now also has a wa y to play back the recent recordings 
 before dumping them to your phone, which it does automatically. Oh, to 
 stop a recording, flick over to the Stop Button. then double tap on Save 
 in the upper right corner to save the recording and send it to the app on 
 your phone. If you have iCloud set up, it will save your recordings there 
 and save space on your phone. 
 
 This is an invaluable app to me.
 Jenine Stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
 
 
 
> On Mar 18, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Percy Garrett  > wrote:
> 
> Jenine, how do you record on your watch? Thanks!
> Percy Garrett
> 
> -Original Message- From: Jenine Stanley
> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 6:52 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
> 
> I’ve tried playing with it using the Notes app and recently tried it with 
> an inexpensive stylus with poor results. I’m thinking it’s more a 
> pressure issue with any stylus. It seems to work much better using just 
> the finger.
> 
> I use it to bring up apps, to occasionally jot down phone numbers, though 
> this is less used now that I have just Press Record for my Watch.
> 
> I have a friend who uses it when writing texts and email on her phone and 
> she swears by it with just her finger.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 7:01 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes but in which application does handwriting work better,
>> I've tried it in word from office 365 and pages but it isn't fantastic I 
>> was hoping to find something that might work better and a stylus of 
>> decent quality that I can write like using a pen and paper,
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 

Re: blue tooth headsets

[Scott Granados]

I’ve heard less than positive things about them so have stayed away from them.  
Also they don’t sound like they would be particularly high fidelity to me but 
that could be just me being picky.  


> On Mar 18, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ve just bought myself an Aftershokz Bluez 2S headset and wonder if i’ve 
> made a mistake. The reviews in the blind community aren’t so good. Some say 
> they are uncomfortable and that they break and the sound isn’t good and so on 
> which makes me wonder what i’ve done.
> /Krister
> 
>> 18 mars 2016 kl. 20:31 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :
>> 
>> The problem I have with the Aftershokz stuff is that first it leaks like a 
>> sieve, and secondly they aren’t very loud.  They’re good for the TTS if you 
>> turn the volume up, but a lot of recordings at normal levels just won’t go 
>> that loud even if you’ve used iTunes to bump up the playback volume.  And 
>> that’s important if you’re in London with lots of howling traffic.  Of 
>> course the obvious countermeasure to this problem, that of plugging your 
>> ears, is just as dangerous as turning the volume right up.
>> 
>> So I’m also wondering where to go from here, except it probably won’t be 
>> Aftershokz—or if it is, it won’t be Aftershokz Sport.
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Scott Granados]

A jawbone might not be a bad option because it doesn’t obscure your 
environmental sounds that badly and it’s got a pretty focused audio 
distribution pattern so you can jack up the audio and still get outside sounds 
mixed in if you’re good at multitasking audio.  Might not work but just a 
thought.

> On Mar 18, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> The problem I have with the Aftershokz stuff is that first it leaks like a 
> sieve, and secondly they aren’t very loud.  They’re good for the TTS if you 
> turn the volume up, but a lot of recordings at normal levels just won’t go 
> that loud even if you’ve used iTunes to bump up the playback volume.  And 
> that’s important if you’re in London with lots of howling traffic.  Of course 
> the obvious countermeasure to this problem, that of plugging your ears, is 
> just as dangerous as turning the volume right up.
> 
> So I’m also wondering where to go from here, except it probably won’t be 
> Aftershokz—or if it is, it won’t be Aftershokz Sport.
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Scott Granados]

It pairs up to 8 and is another great suggestion.  I would suggest the edge 
especially to people who wear glasses because it does not require a behind the 
ear loop or mount.  The noise reduction is better than the jawbone but not 
quite as good as the legend but very very good.  All these options also support 
A2DP.

> On Mar 18, 2016, at 5:03 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Max,
> 
> Do yo u want something to go over head covering both ears or just one ear?
> 
> If just one ear, I'd recommend the Plantronics voyager edge,
> 
> I've had one now a couple of months and It's great, excelant battery life and 
> great quality sound plus it allows for multiple devices I think it's up to 8 
> but I've only got 4 synched at the moment.
> 
> 
> 
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> Subject: blue tooth headsets
> 
> hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my iPhone. my 
> brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
> work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need the 
> headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the guy was 
> really impressed with the quality. thanks for your help, max 
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Re: blue tooth headsets

[Scott Granados]

Max, your brother is misinformed.  Bluetooth is a series of specifications that 
are standardized so aside some special features in general most things work 
pretty well with each other.  There are headsets in general though that work 
better than others.  This is one of the favorite topics of mine and also the 
moderator’s Mark I believe.

In my mind there are two ways to go and there have been the 2 same players on 
top for a while now.  There is the plantronics legend and the era by jawbone.  
The Jawbone is the most stylish / smallest headset and the plantronics is the 
largest most utilitarian of the two.  Depends on what your goal is.  If you 
want to look cool, have good noise reduction, medium battery life and have the 
same toys as the cool kids buy a Jawbone.  If you want your headset to work in 
all conditions, want fantastic noise reduction, don’t care about the fact 
there’s a boom microphone and you need great battery life then the plantronics 
voyager pro legend is the way to go.  Hands down the plastrons works the best 
it’s just whether your concern is mostly function or you want some style.

How’s that?

BTW I use the voyager pro legend almost exclusively now although I carry both.  
I find the plantronics just more stable and for my professional calls and work 
environment the only option.


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Re: VoiceOver does not speak images in the UIImagePickerController

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,

pole Apple maintains an accessibility mailing list whereApple employees and 
developers can discuss such issues.

I suggest you look at the archive and perhaps post to that list. Most of the 
people on this list are VoiceOver users.

Messages would be sent to: accessibility-...@lists.apple.com 

I am not sure if adding the standard -request would be how to subscribe, or if 
you need to find the web page associated with the list.



Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On 18 Mar 2016, at 05:56, Venkatesh Potluri  wrote:
> 
> Hi list,
> I am trying to develop an app. a part of the functionality is that the user 
> should be able to select a photo stored on the device. For this, I am using 
> the UIImagePickerController. There are 2 issues I noticed when running the 
> project on my iPhone.
> 1. After I hit the button and grant the app access to my photos, I am 
> presented with different options (selfies, etc) each of these options is 
> being spoken as an edit field. How do I fix this?
> 2. After I choose a category say, selfies, VoiceOver does not give any 
> output. When I verified with cited assistance, I was told that the user is 
> presented with a grid of photos from which he or she can select. My expected 
> behaviour is that VoiceOver speaks details of each photo (date taken, etc) as 
> the user swipes or explores the screen (similar to most apps that ask us to 
> select photos).
> 
> As I am using a default UI element, should it not be accessible already? How 
> do I make this view accessible?
> 
> I posted this earlier but was not sure if it reached the list. I am sorry if 
> this post is a duplicate of my original.
> Thank you and best regards,
> Venkatesh
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Re: siri and iphone

[Jonathan Cohn]

What I think is amusing:

J: Call my Son.
Siri: You have two contacts named Sam Cohn neither of which has a phone number.
J: Call Sam Cohn 
Siri: Calling Sam’s mobile number.

One time it went further and when I said Call Sam Cohn Siri asked who I wanted 
to call and listed all three of my children.


Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On 19 Mar 2016, at 10:41, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> It likes to do that to me on occasion as well, then just suddenly clears up, 
> so have no idea what to make of that.
>> On Mar 19, 2016, at 6:53 AM, Ben J. Bloomgren  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That's happening to me intermittantly as well. it seems to have stopped for 
>> now, but we shall see.
>> 
>> Ben
>> - Original Message - From: "Sarai Bucciarelli" 
>> 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 19:14
>> Subject: siri and iphone
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> I have an iPhone 6s. Siri stopped opening apps! It says the apps do not 
>>> exist. They do exist. I tried clearing ram, resetting phone by holding home 
>>> and apple buttons, and power on and off phone. No luck! Any ideas?
>>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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VoiceOver does not speak images in the UIImagePickerController

[Venkatesh Potluri]

Hi list,
I am trying to develop an app. a part of the functionality is that the user 
should be able to select a photo stored on the device. For this, I am using 
the UIImagePickerController. There are 2 issues I noticed when running the 
project on my iPhone.
1. After I hit the button and grant the app access to my photos, I am 
presented with different options (selfies, etc) each of these options is 
being spoken as an edit field. How do I fix this?
2. After I choose a category say, selfies, VoiceOver does not give any 
output. When I verified with cited assistance, I was told that the user is 
presented with a grid of photos from which he or she can select. My 
expected behaviour is that VoiceOver speaks details of each photo (date 
taken, etc) as the user swipes or explores the screen (similar to most apps 
that ask us to select photos).

As I am using a default UI element, should it not be accessible already? 
How do I make this view accessible?

I posted this earlier but was not sure if it reached the list. I am sorry 
if this post is a duplicate of my original.
Thank you and best regards,
Venkatesh

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RE: Handwriting on an iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes but in which application does handwriting work better, 
I've tried it in word from office 365 and pages but it isn't fantastic I was 
hoping to find something that might work better and a stylus of decent quality 
that I can write like using a pen and paper,



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Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone

Handwriting actually just uses the finger drawing the letter in print. Use a 
three finger flick down to change the case of the letter, the number, or 
punctuation.

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> On 18 Mar 2016, at 21:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi List,
> 
> I'm just wondering if anyone is using handwriting on their iPhone or iPad?
> 
> If so what do people use in the way of a stylus and or apps for picking oup 
> their handwriting 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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RE: Remote control software for mac and windows?

[Simon Fogarty]

What about using a vnc remote connection?

You could vnc in to the mac from the windows machine.

Or if your going the other wway you can get the Microsoft remote desktop 
connection app which gives you RDP connectivity between the mac and a widnows 
machine.

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To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Remote control software for mac and windows?

Hi all,
I currently use both mac and windows in a business environment. What I am 
wondering, is there an application that  you use to control a mac using 
windows. I am using the NVDA screen reader. I know that at one time, although 
it was not released to the public, someone made the NVDA remote add-on able to 
sand keys to the mac. If anyone has this, it would be nice as I can’t seem to 
figure this concept out. Otherwise, any apps used would be nice thanksÎ

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Re: List View or column view

[Chris Moore]

If you’re in column view, position yourself on the folder in which you want the 
files to appear before pasteing them.

Chris
> On Mar 16, 2016, at 10:44 AM, Seyoon Choi  wrote:
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> Also realized that this shortcut works with other Mac apps system wide to 
> expand and collapse anything. VO+ backslash also triggers the same way.
> 
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>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Kayaker mailto:sea...@me.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Are you aware of the command arrow down shortcut to open the selected 
>> folder? And, command up arrow to return you to the parent folder while in 
>> list view? That’s my preferred method of navigating finder windows. This is 
>> normal Finder behavior and not unique to VO.
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> —k
>> Faith doesn’t give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
>> questions.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 7:45 AM, Sandy Finley > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I have been trying both to see which I prefer. I like column view because 
>>> it is so easy to hit the right arrow to open a folder. I have, however, 
>>> found it harder to know precisely where I am copy' something. For instance, 
>>> I had my iCloud Drive in columns view and I wanted to drop a folder inn 
>>> there. I went to iCloud Drive and pressed right arrow to open the list of 
>>> folders. I pressed command v for paste. The contents of the clip board 
>>> ended up inside a subfolder of the cloud drive rather than as ann 
>>> additional subfolder itself. What is the best way to know where you are 
>>> copying when in column view? Or is it just as easy to do what I am doing 
>>> now, which is to fly back and forth, keeping column view mostly but switch 
>>> to list view when I want to copy?
>>> 
>>> Sandy
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Re: Is there any way to figure out the format used in a PDF file in Preview?

[Jonathan Cohn]

 I could not figure anyway to do this, but I was able to get font information 
with vo-T in iBooks. 
Best wishes,

Jonathan



> On 17 Mar 2016, at 22:51, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I tried using the inspector, but still can't determine the font of my 
> document.  If anyone knows how to do this, your help would be greatly 
> appreciated.
> TIA,
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Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Donna Goodin]

OK, good to know.  Thanks, Scott.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 17, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> It snaps together very snuggly.  Honestly it’s more of an install and leave 
> alone sort of thing.  I wouldn’t want to remove it and install it repeatedly.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 8:52 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Is it easy to take the LifeProof case on and off?  Ideally I'd like to have 
>> a case for times when the phone might be at risk, travel, nights when maybe 
>> too much alcohol might be consumed, etc., and then be able to take it off 
>> the rest of the time.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 7:48 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh you can definitely use it, you don’t lose the feature it’s just not as 
>>> bass heavy or loud because it’s totally wrapped.  They do tricks like 
>>> cutting holes almost all the way through so you have less material 
>>> obstructing the sound but still a barrier but you don’t get the free 
>>> flowing air sound you do with the phone not in a case at all or a bigger 
>>> box like an otter box.  It’s totally usable though.
>>> 
>>> Same with the microphone.
>>> 
 On Mar 17, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 That's good to know.  I am an internal speaker person.  Can you still use 
 the internal speaker with the LifeProof case?
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Mar 17, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> The only down side of the life proof so you know ahead of time is the 
> speaker tends to be covered because it’s such a water tight seal.  So it 
> doesn’t have the boom that the otter box does.  If you’re a headphone / 
> bluetooth user like me though this makes no difference but if you’re an 
> internal speaker person consider it ahead of time.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> I may have to try the Life-Proof, I'm really not liking the OtterBox.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dona, I’m with you, the bulk just isn’t worth it.  I’m a life proof man 
>>> myself.  Much m ore sleek and actually waterproof.
>>> 
>>> Taking the case apart though is quite easy, if you need step by step 
>>> let me know.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 15, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm 
 glad for the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just 
 wondering if any of you who have this case put it on and take it off 
 as needed?  If yes, what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking 
 about the back, not the tempered glass screen protector.)
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Accessible personal budgeting apps for iPhone

[venky . 92]

Hi,
I'm looking for accessible budgeting apps for the iPhone. Currently, I'm using 
an app called DailyBudget. Though The basic functionality of the app is 
accessible, I'm unable to go through detailed information about my expenditure 
such as amount spent on each category over a period of time, etc. The 
information is available in the app.however, the reason for this information 
not being accessible is most likely because it is presented in The form of 
grass and pie charts. Any alternative app suggestions would be helpful.

Thank you.
Regards,
Venkatesh Potluri
Http://www.venkateshpotluri.me
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Re: Recording on the Apple watch?

[Jenny Wood]

I am also grateful for this info, thanks for sharing!

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> On Mar 18, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
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> Hi Percy, 
> 
> You get an app called Just Press Record and install it on your phone. It will 
> then also be installed on your Watch. Make sure to enable it for your Watch. 
> 
> Once that’s done, you can set it as a complication on the Watch face. Just 
> double tap and wait to feel the haptic that means you are recording. It 
> automatically starts recording, most of the time anyway. It can be slow to 
> load though. 
> 
> The Watch app now also has a wa y to play back the recent recordings before 
> dumping them to your phone, which it does automatically. Oh, to stop a 
> recording, flick over to the Stop Button. then double tap on Save in the 
> upper right corner to save the recording and send it to the app on your 
> phone. If you have iCloud set up, it will save your recordings there and save 
> space on your phone. 
> 
> This is an invaluable app to me.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Percy Garrett  wrote:
>> 
>> Jenine, how do you record on your watch? Thanks!
>> Percy Garrett
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Jenine Stanley
>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 6:52 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>> 
>> I’ve tried playing with it using the Notes app and recently tried it with an 
>> inexpensive stylus with poor results. I’m thinking it’s more a pressure 
>> issue with any stylus. It seems to work much better using just the finger.
>> 
>> I use it to bring up apps, to occasionally jot down phone numbers, though 
>> this is less used now that I have just Press Record for my Watch.
>> 
>> I have a friend who uses it when writing texts and email on her phone and 
>> she swears by it with just her finger.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 7:01 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes but in which application does handwriting work better,
>>> I've tried it in word from office 365 and pages but it isn't fantastic I 
>>> was hoping to find something that might work better and a stylus of decent 
>>> quality that I can write like using a pen and paper,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>>> Sent: Friday, 18 March 2016 10:53 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>>> 
>>> Handwriting actually just uses the finger drawing the letter in print. Use 
>>> a three finger flick down to change the case of the letter, the number, or 
>>> punctuation.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 18 Mar 2016, at 21:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 
 I'm just wondering if anyone is using handwriting on their iPhone or iPad?
 
 If so what do people use in the way of a stylus and or apps for picking 
 oup their handwriting
 
 Cheers,
 
 
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Re: Abby Fine Reader Pro For Mac

[Scott Berry]

Hi Denise,

So what your going to do is extract the .dmg and then you will need to open the 
app.  In the Fine Reader Menu I believe there is a place to put the code you 
got.  This will get you started.  It’s fairly simple to use.


> On Mar 18, 2016, at 8:56 PM, denise avant  wrote:
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> no, I bought it on the website as it had a price reduction of 17% until March 
> 31, 2016.
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 9:50 PM, Dionipher Herrera  wrote:
>> 
>> did you bought it on the apps store? you have to insert anything. you can 
>> use directly.
>>> Il giorno 18 mar 2016, alle ore 07:53, denise avant 
>>>  ha scritto:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> I just got the Abby Fine Reader for the Mac. I’m wondering how to install 
>>> it? it appears to have an authroization key. will that be needed to intall 
>>> the product on the Mac? Are there odcasts available to learn how to use it?
>>> Thanks.
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Re: VoiceOver Setting in Numbers

[Phil Halton]

This problem of announcing the table position was introduced with the last 
version, and as far as I can tell, there's no way to shut it off.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Mar 19, 2016, at 6:15 AM, Sandy Finley  wrote:
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> I have set some keyboard shortcuts in Numbers for common tasks including: 
> Delete Row 
> delete Column 
> Add Row Above and 
> Resize Row to Fit Content. 
> 
> My current Numbers question is  VO related. When I up and down arrow through 
> the data in a column, VO reads both data and position of the cell in the 
> table. Is there a way to tell VO not to read the position? It can be 
> distracting. 
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Automating Macintosh book.

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Hello Take Control books has a 50% off sale this weekend, and I was considering 
purchasing “Take Control  of Automating Your Mac”.
https://www.takecontrolbooks.com/automating 


I also believe their books are available via bookshare for those who have that 
available. 

In any case, I was thinking it would be quite interesting to have a discussion 
where we review the book and determine any adjustments needed to make the 
techniques work with VoiceOver.

If I did this:
1. Who would be interested.
2. Should the discussion be a thread on this list or should we create a 
separate   group?
Best wishes,

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Re: siri and iphone

[Jessica Moss]

It likes to do that to me on occasion as well, then just suddenly clears up, so 
have no idea what to make of that.
> On Mar 19, 2016, at 6:53 AM, Ben J. Bloomgren  
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> That's happening to me intermittantly as well. it seems to have stopped for 
> now, but we shall see.
> 
> Ben
> - Original Message - From: "Sarai Bucciarelli" 
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> Subject: siri and iphone
> 
> 
>> Hi:
>> I have an iPhone 6s. Siri stopped opening apps! It says the apps do not 
>> exist. They do exist. I tried clearing ram, resetting phone by holding home 
>> and apple buttons, and power on and off phone. No luck! Any ideas?
>> Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli
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Re: Automating Macintosh book.

[Scott Berry]

Hi Jonothan,

I would certainly be interested.  I think it would be good to create a separate 
list.


> On Mar 19, 2016, at 8:30 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello Take Control books has a 50% off sale this weekend, and I was 
> considering purchasing “Take Control  of Automating Your Mac”.
> https://www.takecontrolbooks.com/automating 
> 
> 
> I also believe their books are available via bookshare for those who have 
> that available. 
> 
> In any case, I was thinking it would be quite interesting to have a 
> discussion where we review the book and determine any adjustments needed to 
> make the techniques work with VoiceOver.
> 
> If I did this:
> 1. Who would be interested.
> 2. Should the discussion be a thread on this list or should we create a 
> separate   group?
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: could Siri's iPhone voices finally be coming to the Mac?

[Seyoon Choi]

My only question is, being a Windows and Mac user I know for the fact that 
those Siri voices are named as “Nicky” and “Aaron” so I am wondering if Apple 
is planning to officially give away the names for these voices or not. I know 
Samantha was officially called out on iOS 9 when you are selecting voice but by 
then everyone knew who she was, haha. 
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> On Mar 16, 2016, at 12:19 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yes good point, 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness
> Sent: Monday, 14 March 2016 5:58 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: could Siri's iPhone voices finally be coming to the Mac?
> 
> just to add to this, Fuji is also a kind of apple..
> Caitlyn
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 8:07 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Or, they could do a deal with mcdonalds The big Mac OSX
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
>> Sent: Sunday, 13 March 2016 12:30 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: could Siri's iPhone voices finally be coming to the Mac?
>> 
>> In which case, I’d have named the next Mac OS Cat fish!!!  Next, it would be 
>> Meat Loaf.  After that, Hamburger or maybe Hot Dog.  CAn y’all just imagine 
>> that?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the 
>> blind built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon 
>> Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 4:37 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I asked Siri where Fuji is located in California. She informed me that 
>>> there is a restaurant by the name of Fuji Suchi in Turlock, California. If 
>>> you ask me, it sounds like the people at Apple were thinking with their 
>>> stomachs lol.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On Mar 12, 2016, at 3:04 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Thought the OS names were all about Californian landmarks?
 
 Last time I checked Fuji was Japanese!
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Devin Prater
 Sent: Saturday, 12 March 2016 10:01 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: could Siri's iPhone voices finally be coming to the Mac?
 
 That's the rumored name of the next OS.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 12, 2016, at 3:00 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> So folks, what is Fuji?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn 
> Krasniuk
> Sent: Saturday, 12 March 2016 8:43 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: could Siri's iPhone voices finally be coming to the Mac?
> 
> Oh yeah. So will I. I'll probably be one of the first ones to spring for 
> the public beta once it's released. And if our Macs can handle Fuji, I 
> hope we'll get to use Siri.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2016, at 1:38 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, got news for yuh, Aaron is already on the iPHone.  Under the 
>> default dialect, you’d click on what Apple calls the “male Siri” voice.  
>> Actually, that’s the newer Siri voice we got back with IOS8 but many of 
>> us thought it was strictly server side until a jail breaker discovered 
>> that in fact the voice was on the phone itself.  It wasn’t until we got 
>> in to IOS9 that the Siri voices (the newer ones I mean) were made 
>> available for Voice Over.  So, Looks like both you and I might have to 
>> spring for new Macs: that is, unless I really really want to try pushing 
>> this mid 2009 Mac book pro in to the realm of Foji.  And you know what?  
>> I might just attempt it.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for 
>> the blind built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, 
>> Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Mar 12, 2016,

Re: Sleep tracking apps?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Jonathan,

Thanks!  I've downloaded it and will give it a try.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 18, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna and all, I use Sleep++. I like this app a lot as it interfaces 
> directly with the Health app. I'm collecting a lot of health data now, so I 
> can get a picture of the things I am doing that help me sleep better.
> In terms of charging the watch, I have a daily workout routine which ends in 
> a 30 minute sauna, and a cold shower. During that period, I put the watch on 
> charge. By the time I'm organised and ready to put the watch back on, it's 
> probably been charging for an hour and a bit, which gives it a surprising 
> amount of juice.
> Also, if I've achieved my three goals which I tend to do easily by dinner 
> time, I take the watch off, and charge it until bed time. This routine means 
> I can wear the watch when sleeping, and I haven't come close to being out of 
> juice during the day.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org 
>> On 19/03/2016, at 8:06 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jonathan,
>> 
>> What sleep tracking app do you use?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>>> Agreed, this is one of my favourite Apple Watch apps other than the fitness 
>>> stuff and my sleep tracker. You can get a Mac app for it too, so there's a 
>>> suite of Just Press Record apps and they're all accessible.
>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>> Mosen Consulting
>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>> http://Mosen.org 
 On 19/03/2016, at 2:40 AM, Jenine Stanley >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Percy, 
 
 You get an app called Just Press Record and install it on your phone. It 
 will then also be installed on your Watch. Make sure to enable it for your 
 Watch. 
 
 Once that’s done, you can set it as a complication on the Watch face. Just 
 double tap and wait to feel the haptic that means you are recording. It 
 automatically starts recording, most of the time anyway. It can be slow to 
 load though. 
 
 The Watch app now also has a wa y to play back the recent recordings 
 before dumping them to your phone, which it does automatically. Oh, to 
 stop a recording, flick over to the Stop Button. then double tap on Save 
 in the upper right corner to save the recording and send it to the app on 
 your phone. If you have iCloud set up, it will save your recordings there 
 and save space on your phone. 
 
 This is an invaluable app to me.
 Jenine Stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
 
 
 
> On Mar 18, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Percy Garrett  > wrote:
> 
> Jenine, how do you record on your watch? Thanks!
> Percy Garrett
> 
> -Original Message- From: Jenine Stanley
> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 6:52 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
> 
> I’ve tried playing with it using the Notes app and recently tried it with 
> an inexpensive stylus with poor results. I’m thinking it’s more a 
> pressure issue with any stylus. It seems to work much better using just 
> the finger.
> 
> I use it to bring up apps, to occasionally jot down phone numbers, though 
> this is less used now that I have just Press Record for my Watch.
> 
> I have a friend who uses it when writing texts and email on her phone and 
> she swears by it with just her finger.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 7:01 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes but in which application does handwriting work better,
>> I've tried it in word from office 365 and pages but it isn't fantastic I 
>> was hoping to find something that might work better and a stylus of 
>> decent quality that I can write like using a pen and paper,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> ] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Friday, 18 March 2016 10:53 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>> 
>> Handwriting actually just uses the finger drawing the letter in print. 
>> Use a three finger flick down to change the case of the letter, the 
>> number, or punctuation.
>> 

Re: converting mp4 videos to mp3 audio only

[Chris Moore]

I found a build of ffmpeg for the mac.
Chris
> On Mar 17, 2016, at 4:03 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> So i can install apt-get to m my mac?
> Or isn’t that a package manager?
> /A
>> 15 mars 2016 kl. 08:23 skrev Sabahattin Gucukoglu :
>> 
>> And as always, the command line is your friend: OS X includes avconvert, and 
>> you can get and use ffmpeg from your favourite package manager.  That’s how 
>> I’d do this.
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Re: Remote control software for mac and windows?

[Jonathan Cohn]

NO, I was thinking of Apple Remote Desktop which is describe pretty well in 
this Wikipedia entry:


The standard protocol that this currently uses is VNC. VNC has been around for 
at least 15 years, and I first saw it to share RedHat desktops on Windows 
computers. If you look at JAWS directories on Windows computers that have JAWS 
remote on them, they use VNC. I have not looked at NVDA, but since VNC has a 
open source code base I would expect that NVDA remote is also using VNC. Now, 
if JAWS and NVDA actually use the same method to encapsulate synthesizers 
wouldn’t it be great to expand that to VoiceOver also? I suppose we could ask 
the accessibility desk at Apple if Apple Remote Desktop supports VoiceOVer and 
if there is any possibility of getting it to work with NVDA remote (after all 
NVDA remote has to be open source too!)

Best wishes,
Jonathan Cohn 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Remote_Desktop

> On Mar 16, 2016, at 08:29, Carter Temm  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Could you be thinking of the injecting keys API?
> 
> On 3/16/16, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> Both JAWS and Macintosh do use the same basic underlying protocol for remote
>> windows. My brain is forgetting the name right now, but it is an open source
>> package, so I would expect that NVDA would use this to. Now the hard part
>> would be routing the voice over to the remote controlling machine, I would
>> think that Sound Flower or a Rogue Ameoba software might b able to do this.
>> Also, I have talked to the accessibility coordinator at a large learning
>> system company that would love to add the ability to hear screen reader be
>> able to be linked into their web conferencing package. So for any programmer
>> types out there who have spare cycles. This is probably something if
>> developed could be sold.
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 07:38, Carter Temm  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I currently use both mac and windows in a business environment. What I am
>>> wondering, is there an application that  you use to control a mac using
>>> windows. I am using the NVDA screen reader. I know that at one time,
>>> although it was not released to the public, someone made the NVDA remote
>>> add-on able to sand keys to the mac. If anyone has this, it would be nice
>>> as I can’t seem to figure this concept out. Otherwise, any apps used would
>>> be nice
>>> thanksÎ
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Re: Handwriting on an iPhone

[Jenine Stanley]

David’s correct here. It must say the letter. Mine will say “Not recognized” 
and I know I’ve got the phone slanted somehow. I find the larger screen area of 
the 6S harder to write on as I tend to slant things. I can go fairly quickly 
and accurately on my 5S. Also be sure you are in the middle of the screen. 

Not sure if this app is still in the App Store but Do It Write (note spelling 
of the last word) is an app that let’s you practice handwriting. It really 
helped me initially since it had been years since I’d written print. 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Mar 19, 2016, at 7:00 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> It may not be recognising your s.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 23:53, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting that it only works on a app for which I've got one starting with 
>> that letter.
>> 
>> I can't get it to find anything starting with S for which I've got at least 
>> 6 apps sonos and spotify   aren't showing up.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 3:52 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>> 
>> Whilst on the home screen, turn the rotor to handwriting. draw the first 
>> letter , and then each subsequent letter, of the app name. At any time, use 
>> a two-finger flick down to cycle through the matching apps. Double-tap to 
>> open the selected app.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 13:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> So you can use it to open apps on your device?
>>> 
>>> I didn't know that one.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>>> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 2:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>>> 
>>> I am slow at handwriting (finger printing), so I mainly use it on the 
>>> homescreens to locate and open apps. I occasionally use it in messages.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 19 Mar 2016, at 00:01, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Yes but in which application does handwriting work better, I've tried 
 it in word from office 365 and pages but it isn't fantastic I was 
 hoping to find something that might work better and a stylus of 
 decent quality that I can write like using a pen and paper,
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
 Chittenden
 Sent: Friday, 18 March 2016 10:53 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
 
 Handwriting actually just uses the finger drawing the letter in print. Use 
 a three finger flick down to change the case of the letter, the number, or 
 punctuation.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 18 Mar 2016, at 21:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> 
> I'm just wondering if anyone is using handwriting on their iPhone or iPad?
> 
> If so what do people use in the way of a stylus and or apps for 
> picking oup their handwriting
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Simon F
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Re: Handwriting on an iPhone

[Jenine Stanley]

When in the handwriting mode, you can also flick to the left to erase a letter 
and do a 3-finger flick up or down to change to upper case and/or numbers and 
symbols. 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Mar 18, 2016, at 10:52 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Whilst on the home screen, turn the rotor to handwriting. draw the first 
> letter , and then each subsequent letter, of the app name. At any time, use a 
> two-finger flick down to cycle through the matching apps. Double-tap to open 
> the selected app.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 13:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> So you can use it to open apps on your device?
>> 
>> I didn't know that one.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 2:02 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>> 
>> I am slow at handwriting (finger printing), so I mainly use it on the 
>> homescreens to locate and open apps. I occasionally use it in messages.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 00:01, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes but in which application does handwriting work better, I've tried 
>>> it in word from office 365 and pages but it isn't fantastic I was 
>>> hoping to find something that might work better and a stylus of decent 
>>> quality that I can write like using a pen and paper,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>>> Sent: Friday, 18 March 2016 10:53 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>>> 
>>> Handwriting actually just uses the finger drawing the letter in print. Use 
>>> a three finger flick down to change the case of the letter, the number, or 
>>> punctuation.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 18 Mar 2016, at 21:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 
 I'm just wondering if anyone is using handwriting on their iPhone or iPad?
 
 If so what do people use in the way of a stylus and or apps for 
 picking oup their handwriting
 
 Cheers,
 
 
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Re: Remote control software for mac and windows?

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

Are you saying you have both machines on your desk and just want to 
share one keyboard between both of them?


CB

On 3/16/16 7:38 AM, Carter Temm wrote:

Hi all,
I currently use both mac and windows in a business environment. What I am 
wondering, is there an application that  you use to control a mac using 
windows. I am using the NVDA screen reader. I know that at one time, although 
it was not released to the public, someone made the NVDA remote add-on able to 
sand keys to the mac. If anyone has this, it would be nice as I can’t seem to 
figure this concept out. Otherwise, any apps used would be nice
thanksÎ



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Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Donna Goodin]

Daniel,

I just got the one they had in the store.  I'm assuming it's the defender 
model, but I couldn't tell even after looking at the OtterBox website.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 16, 2016, at 6:14 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Hi. You don't really want to take it off, unless you absolutely have to. The 
> more you take it on and off, the looser the rubber portion of the case 
> becomes, which in my opinion is the worst part about that case. For the 
> amount of money those cases cost, they should be better designed. Correct me 
> if I'm wrong, but you're talking about the defender series, right? If not, I 
> stand corrected.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 7:09 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, still haven't figured out how to get it off. lol  Guess this answers 
>> my question, I won't take it off unless I decide I don't want to use it any 
>> more.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Those cases are a royal, B***! to get off!  It can be done, but not easily. 
>>> the trick is to find the little square nub on either the left side, or the 
>>> right side.  It'll be about halfway down the length of the case.  You 
>>> basically just have to get your fingernail up there in between both the 
>>> front and back of that hard case, and pull it apart.  Be ready to probably 
>>> cut your finger a teeny bit though when doing it, as it's a little bit 
>>> sharp.  These things aren't meant to come off easily.
>>> 
>>> You might be able to pry a butterknife or something in there and pop it, 
>>> but I'd not chance it.  That could be a little bit risky.  I'm telling you 
>>> right now, it's not gonna be an easy chore!  It was fairly easy to do with 
>>> the IPhone 5, and 5S cases, and I think, even the 5C cases, but once they 
>>> went to the 6 cases which were thinner, it made it really really difficult. 
>>> Don't be afraid that you're gonna break it, as it's not giving way.  It'll 
>>> come, I promise ya, but you're really gonna have to pull, and, buddy? I, 
>>> mean, pull!  Hard!
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>>> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I don't know which one it is, I didn't pay that close of attention. I can 
>>> tell you that I'm able to get it loose by pulling back the top right 
>>> corner, but the case does not seem to want to let go of the phone!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 15, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 You should be able to just use a fingernail on the top corner edge, and 
 peal it off.
 
 I personally don't mind the extra bulk, and actually find it makes my 
 phone feel a bit more solid.  I swear by mine.
 
 Also, you say you got an Otterbox.  Which one though, as that will 
 determine how you get it off.  Are you using the Defender?
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 - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
 To: 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:29 PM
 Subject: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm glad 
 for the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just wondering 
 if any of you who have this case put it on and take it off as needed?  If 
 yes, what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking about the back, not 
 the tempered glass screen protector.)
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: VirtualBox questions

['Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries]

There is a build for Mac which you can download from:

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

The virtual machine will work just like a physical machine so the 
accessibility of what is running in the virtual machine is the same. If 
you're installing Windows in the Virtual Machine you'll still need NVDA 
or JAWS installed in the virtualized Windows. You can create and start 
up the virtual machine using the command line and there are tutorials 
floating around on how to do that, so you can otherwise ignore the 
inaccessible GUI interface.


CB

On 3/16/16 11:23 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Last I looked into this, box was not accessible when using the GUI, but 
everyththing is controllable via a command line, so you could create shell 
scripts to build / start / stop VM machines. For that matter, somebody with a 
little Xcode experience could probably wrap those CLI commands in native OS X 
windows that Voice Over would understand.

HTH,

Jonathan COhn


On Mar 16, 2016, at 11:08, Chris Moore  wrote:

Hello,
I have a few questions before diving into VBox.
1.  Is there a build for el capitan, or do I need to build from sources?

2.  Is the GUI accessible with VO?

3.  Assuming I can build a virtual machine either with the GUI or box-manage, 
will it talk?

4.  How is the VBox experience compared to Fusion?

Chris

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Re: Handwriting on an iPhone

[Ben J. Bloomgren]

Does anybody have an iPad Pro with that pen? How would that work?

Ben
- Original Message - 
From: "Jenine Stanley" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 04:52
Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone


I’ve tried playing with it using the Notes app and recently tried it with an 
inexpensive stylus with poor results. I’m thinking it’s more a pressure 
issue with any stylus. It seems to work much better using just the finger.


I use it to bring up apps, to occasionally jot down phone numbers, though 
this is less used now that I have just Press Record for my Watch.


I have a friend who uses it when writing texts and email on her phone and 
she swears by it with just her finger.

Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com




On Mar 18, 2016, at 7:01 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Yes but in which application does handwriting work better,
I've tried it in word from office 365 and pages but it isn't fantastic I 
was hoping to find something that might work better and a stylus of decent 
quality that I can write like using a pen and paper,




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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden

Sent: Friday, 18 March 2016 10:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone

Handwriting actually just uses the finger drawing the letter in print. Use 
a three finger flick down to change the case of the letter, the number, or 
punctuation.


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 18 Mar 2016, at 21:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi List,

I'm just wondering if anyone is using handwriting on their iPhone or 
iPad?


If so what do people use in the way of a stylus and or apps for picking 
oup their handwriting


Cheers,


Simon F

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Re: Numbers Questions

[Basioli George]

well for your first answer;
there are keyboard commands to move from sheet to sheet
command [ moves left one sheet
command ] moves right one sheet
and if you add option  so it is command option and [ or ] will take you to the 
first sheet of the group or the last sheet of the group.

there is also a rename sheet in the menu bar i am not sure what menu it is 
under at this time and i think therre is no keyboard command for this.

also, the sheet navigation is also in the menu bar and i am not sure what title 
it is under at this time eather

sory i am not at a place to bring up numbers to give you the exact info 


> On Mar 17, 2016, at 8:01 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hmm, if you just want to jump between sheets in a single document it's 
> command-shift-bracket with left-bracket being the previous sheet and 
> right-bracket being the next sheet. These are the same commands to switch 
> tabs in Safari.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 3/17/16 9:43 AM, Phil Halton wrote:
>> Number one
>> There is no jump command per se. You have to stop interacting with the sheet 
>> layout area where your tables are for a given sheet, and navigate left to 
>> the sheet navigation tab group where you can select the sheet you want to 
>> work in. Then after selecting your sheet you have two choices one, you can 
>> stop interacting with the navigation group and navigate over to the sheet 
>> layout area, or two, you can bring up the context menu for the sheet with 
>> Volvo shift M and select the table you want to work in for that sheet.
>> Your second question number two as to renaming a sheet, in that same context 
>> menu for the given sheet there is a rename option.
>> And finally for number three, no alas, there is no way to stop volt from 
>> speaking the row numbers, You'll just have to get used to it.
>> BTW: I'm kind of surprised you couldn't find the way to move between sheets 
>> as it's just a matter of an interacting and exploring the upper level of the 
>> app. Also it's always a good idea to try to bring up a context menu for any 
>> element that you want to find out more about.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 5:37 AM, Sandy Finley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I posed 2 numbers questions on this list and have not yet received a 
>>> response - since I have  a third, i will just put them together in  this 
>>> message.
>>> 
>>> 1. What is the command to jump between work sheets in a spreadsheet? I 
>>> cannot find it.
>>> 
>>> 2. How does one name a work sheet?
>>> 
>>> 3. Is there a way to get VoiceOver to read the data in a field without 
>>> constantly indicating the position of the field? There  are  times when 
>>> hearing "a1" with the data is distracting.
>>> 
>>> Sandy
>>> Thank you.
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Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Donna Goodin]

I doubt I'll ever use the clip.  Honestly, I'm not even sure I'm going to 
continue to use the case - the added bulk is really bugging me.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 16, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Wow, I never had that with the clip, but then again, I hardly ever wear mine 
> in the clip as for me, I'm a bit chubby around the beltline, so when I go to 
> sit down, the clip squeezes into my side/lovehandle area, which is really 
> uncomfortable.
> ---
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> - Original Message - From: "Jessica Moss" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
> 
> 
> I’ve noticed that too; in my oppinion, for the money you put into them, 
> they’re really poorly made.  I love their ruggedness, but can’t stand the 
> fact that you can’t use the clip they come with without it tearing the casing 
> to shreds.
> I’ve had 3 of them, and it either chipped the metal part of the casing, or 
> shredded the rubber around the outside, or both.  When it came to the first 
> one I got, repeated use of the clip ground the metal on one side to the point 
> that when I put it into the clip one afternoon, I heard this sound like sand 
> moving around under someone’s shoes, so I took it out, and and part of the 
> side of it looked like someone who’d had a cavity, or something weird like 
> that.
>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi. You don't really want to take it off, unless you absolutely have to. The 
>> more you take it on and off, the looser the rubber portion of the case 
>> becomes, which in my opinion is the worst part about that case. For the 
>> amount of money those cases cost, they should be better designed. Correct me 
>> if I'm wrong, but you're talking about the defender series, right? If not, I 
>> stand corrected.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 7:09 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, still haven't figured out how to get it off. lol  Guess this answers 
>>> my question, I won't take it off unless I decide I don't want to use it any 
>>> more.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Mar 15, 2016, at 7:06 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 Those cases are a royal, B***! to get off!  It can be done, but not 
 easily. the trick is to find the little square nub on either the left 
 side, or the right side.  It'll be about halfway down the length of the 
 case.  You basically just have to get your fingernail up there in between 
 both the front and back of that hard case, and pull it apart. Be ready to 
 probably cut your finger a teeny bit though when doing it, as it's a 
 little bit sharp.  These things aren't meant to come off easily.
 
 You might be able to pry a butterknife or something in there and pop it, 
 but I'd not chance it.  That could be a little bit risky.  I'm telling you 
 right now, it's not gonna be an easy chore!  It was fairly easy to do with 
 the IPhone 5, and 5S cases, and I think, even the 5C cases, but once they 
 went to the 6 cases which were thinner, it made it really really 
 difficult. Don't be afraid that you're gonna break it, as it's not giving 
 way.  It'll come, I promise ya, but you're really gonna have to pull, and, 
 buddy? I, mean, pull!  Hard!
 ---
 Christopher Gilland
 JAWS Certified, 2016.
 Training Instructor.
 
 clgillan...@gmail.com
 Phone: (704) 256-8010 Extension 401.
 - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
 To: 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:56 PM
 Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
 
 
 I don't know which one it is, I didn't pay that close of attention. I can 
 tell you that I'm able to get it loose by pulling back the top right 
 corner, but the case does not seem to want to let go of the phone!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 15, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>  wrote:
> 
> You should be able to just use a fingernail on the top corner edge, and 
> peal it off.
> 
> I personally don't mind the extra bulk, and actually find it makes my 
> phone feel a bit more solid.  I swear by mine.
> 
> Also, you say you got an Otterbox.  Which one though, as that will 
> determine how you get it off.  Are you using the Defender?
> ---
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> Training Instructor.
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> - Original Message - From: "Donna Goodin" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:29 PM
> Subject: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm glad 
> for t

Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Donna Goodin]

That's good to know.  I am an internal speaker person.  Can you still use the 
internal speaker with the LifeProof case?
Cheers,
Donna
> On Mar 17, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> The only down side of the life proof so you know ahead of time is the speaker 
> tends to be covered because it’s such a water tight seal.  So it doesn’t have 
> the boom that the otter box does.  If you’re a headphone / bluetooth user 
> like me though this makes no difference but if you’re an internal speaker 
> person consider it ahead of time.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> I may have to try the Life-Proof, I'm really not liking the OtterBox.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dona, I’m with you, the bulk just isn’t worth it.  I’m a life proof man 
>>> myself.  Much m ore sleek and actually waterproof.
>>> 
>>> Taking the case apart though is quite easy, if you need step by step let me 
>>> know.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 15, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm glad 
 for the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just wondering 
 if any of you who have this case put it on and take it off as needed?  If 
 yes, what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking about the back, not 
 the tempered glass screen protector.)
 TIA,
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Re: blue tooth headsets

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

thanks sherry; I'm almost as excited for my brother to try them as i am for me. 
i mean if it would allow him to hear so much better maybe we could get a 
microphone he could hear on his headphones. thanks max 
On Mar 18, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cheree Heppe wrote:

> Cheree Heppe here:
> I use Aftershocks bone conduction earphones and haven used other headsets 
> since.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 09:27, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> thanks will have to tell my brother patrick about that. i heard a few years 
>> ago that sony was going to come out with an walkman for swimmers using this 
>> idea. didn't know it worked and that people are using it in headphones. 
>> thanks max 
>>> On Mar 18, 2016, at 6:59 AM, William Gallik wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bone induction is the process of transferring sound to the audio processing 
>>> portion of your brain through as a bone in your face rather than through 
>>> your eardrums. It works extremely well; I have a severe hearing loss in my 
>>> right here and yet when I use bone in duction your phones I hear perfectly 
>>> well on the right side as on the left!
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Re: Lifeproof, was: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Jessica Moss]

Lol, reminds me of a cartoon Hannah loves to watch where one of the characters 
actually did drop his phone off the boat into the water, and everything was 
really garbled sounding, because you could still hear the voices, but it was 
bubbly-sounding at the same time, and this was after he was told not to drop 
his phone in the water.
> On Mar 16, 2016, at 1:54 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I wonder how music sounds from 300 feet under the ocean.  LOL!  Sorry guys! 
> Heheheheh, I couldn't resist!  I had to do it!
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> - Original Message - From: "Vaughn Brown" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Lifeproof, was: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
> 
> 
> Very nice! I'll have to look into it. How about a bobber in case it
> falls into the water? LOL
> Vaughn
> 
> On 3/16/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> Chris, I’ll do you one better than that.  I’m comfortable with a life proof
>> case to take the phone diving full on in the ocean let alone a tub or
>> shower.  My cousin uses them for filming under water and they work well even
>> at 300 feet down / greater than 100 meters.
>> I’ve also used one on an iPad in the boat for several years now with no
>> issue and it also took a hit falling when we got hit by a wave off the
>> console on to the deck and the screen survived unbroken.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 8:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When you say waterproof for the Lifeproof cases, would you feel
>>> comfortable taking it with you in the tub when getting a bath?  Notice, I
>>> didn't say a shower, I said a full fledged bath?  My friend did this, and
>>> though his phone was absolutely just fine afterward, even after he knocked
>>> it off the ledge of the tub face down into the water accidentally.  I
>>> dunno though. I'd be a little hesitant to go that far with it.
>>> ---
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>>> 
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>>> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:35 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dona, I’m with you, the bulk just isn’t worth it.  I’m a life proof man
>>> myself.  Much m ore sleek and actually waterproof.
>>> 
>>> Taking the case apart though is quite easy, if you need step by step let
>>> me know.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 15, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm glad
 for the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just wondering
 if any of you who have this case put it on and take it off as needed? If
 yes, what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking about the back,
 not the tempered glass screen protector.)
 TIA,
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Re: blue tooth headsets

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

thanks for the information but what is bone induction? thanks max 
On Mar 18, 2016, at 2:03 AM, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:

> I would go with the Aftershokz line. They're bone induction headsets, and 
> I've loved mine and heard nothing but rave reviews about them. Their support 
> is iffy, but the products themselves are bloody phenomenal.
> 
> Ben
> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 23:53
> Subject: blue tooth headsets
> 
> 
> hello; I'm wanting to buy a blue tooth headset to go with my iPhone. my 
> brother said that when he looked online he heard that a lot of them don't 
> work with the iPhone. so what would you all recommend? I may just need the 
> headphones because today i did a Skype call using my iPhone and the guy was 
> really impressed with the quality. thanks for your help, max
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Re: Remote control software for mac and windows?

[Carter Temm]

Hi,
Could you be thinking of the injecting keys API?

On 3/16/16, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> Both JAWS and Macintosh do use the same basic underlying protocol for remote
> windows. My brain is forgetting the name right now, but it is an open source
> package, so I would expect that NVDA would use this to. Now the hard part
> would be routing the voice over to the remote controlling machine, I would
> think that Sound Flower or a Rogue Ameoba software might b able to do this.
> Also, I have talked to the accessibility coordinator at a large learning
> system company that would love to add the ability to hear screen reader be
> able to be linked into their web conferencing package. So for any programmer
> types out there who have spare cycles. This is probably something if
> developed could be sold.
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan
>
>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 07:38, Carter Temm  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I currently use both mac and windows in a business environment. What I am
>> wondering, is there an application that  you use to control a mac using
>> windows. I am using the NVDA screen reader. I know that at one time,
>> although it was not released to the public, someone made the NVDA remote
>> add-on able to sand keys to the mac. If anyone has this, it would be nice
>> as I can’t seem to figure this concept out. Otherwise, any apps used would
>> be nice
>> thanksÎ
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Re: Sleep tracking apps?

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Donna and all, I use Sleep++. I like this app a lot as it interfaces 
directly with the Health app. I'm collecting a lot of health data now, so I can 
get a picture of the things I am doing that help me sleep better.
In terms of charging the watch, I have a daily workout routine which ends in a 
30 minute sauna, and a cold shower. During that period, I put the watch on 
charge. By the time I'm organised and ready to put the watch back on, it's 
probably been charging for an hour and a bit, which gives it a surprising 
amount of juice.
Also, if I've achieved my three goals which I tend to do easily by dinner time, 
I take the watch off, and charge it until bed time. This routine means I can 
wear the watch when sleeping, and I haven't come close to being out of juice 
during the day.
Jonathan Mosen
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> On 19/03/2016, at 8:06 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> What sleep tracking app do you use?
> 
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 18, 2016, at 1:41 PM, Jonathan Mosen  > wrote:
> 
>> Agreed, this is one of my favourite Apple Watch apps other than the fitness 
>> stuff and my sleep tracker. You can get a Mac app for it too, so there's a 
>> suite of Just Press Record apps and they're all accessible.
>> Jonathan Mosen
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>>> On 19/03/2016, at 2:40 AM, Jenine Stanley >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Percy, 
>>> 
>>> You get an app called Just Press Record and install it on your phone. It 
>>> will then also be installed on your Watch. Make sure to enable it for your 
>>> Watch. 
>>> 
>>> Once that’s done, you can set it as a complication on the Watch face. Just 
>>> double tap and wait to feel the haptic that means you are recording. It 
>>> automatically starts recording, most of the time anyway. It can be slow to 
>>> load though. 
>>> 
>>> The Watch app now also has a wa y to play back the recent recordings before 
>>> dumping them to your phone, which it does automatically. Oh, to stop a 
>>> recording, flick over to the Stop Button. then double tap on Save in the 
>>> upper right corner to save the recording and send it to the app on your 
>>> phone. If you have iCloud set up, it will save your recordings there and 
>>> save space on your phone. 
>>> 
>>> This is an invaluable app to me.
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 18, 2016, at 9:36 AM, Percy Garrett >>> > wrote:
 
 Jenine, how do you record on your watch? Thanks!
 Percy Garrett
 
 -Original Message- From: Jenine Stanley
 Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 6:52 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
 
 I’ve tried playing with it using the Notes app and recently tried it with 
 an inexpensive stylus with poor results. I’m thinking it’s more a pressure 
 issue with any stylus. It seems to work much better using just the finger.
 
 I use it to bring up apps, to occasionally jot down phone numbers, though 
 this is less used now that I have just Press Record for my Watch.
 
 I have a friend who uses it when writing texts and email on her phone and 
 she swears by it with just her finger.
 Jenine Stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com 
 
 
 
> On Mar 18, 2016, at 7:01 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> Yes but in which application does handwriting work better,
> I've tried it in word from office 365 and pages but it isn't fantastic I 
> was hoping to find something that might work better and a stylus of 
> decent quality that I can write like using a pen and paper,
> 
> 
> 
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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> ] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
> 
> Handwriting actually just uses the finger drawing the letter in print. 
> Use a three finger flick down to change the case of the letter, the 
> number, or punctuation.
> 
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>> On 18 Mar 2016, at 21:43, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi List,
>> 
>> I'm just wondering if anyone

Re: Just got an OtterBox case for my iPhone

[Scott Granados]

It snaps together very snuggly.  Honestly it’s more of an install and leave 
alone sort of thing.  I wouldn’t want to remove it and install it repeatedly.


> On Mar 17, 2016, at 8:52 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Is it easy to take the LifeProof case on and off?  Ideally I'd like to have a 
> case for times when the phone might be at risk, travel, nights when maybe too 
> much alcohol might be consumed, etc., and then be able to take it off the 
> rest of the time.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 7:48 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh you can definitely use it, you don’t lose the feature it’s just not as 
>> bass heavy or loud because it’s totally wrapped.  They do tricks like 
>> cutting holes almost all the way through so you have less material 
>> obstructing the sound but still a barrier but you don’t get the free flowing 
>> air sound you do with the phone not in a case at all or a bigger box like an 
>> otter box.  It’s totally usable though.
>> 
>> Same with the microphone.
>> 
>>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's good to know.  I am an internal speaker person.  Can you still use 
>>> the internal speaker with the LifeProof case?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Mar 17, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
 
 The only down side of the life proof so you know ahead of time is the 
 speaker tends to be covered because it’s such a water tight seal.  So it 
 doesn’t have the boom that the otter box does.  If you’re a headphone / 
 bluetooth user like me though this makes no difference but if you’re an 
 internal speaker person consider it ahead of time.
 
 
> On Mar 17, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I may have to try the Life-Proof, I'm really not liking the OtterBox.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Dona, I’m with you, the bulk just isn’t worth it.  I’m a life proof man 
>> myself.  Much m ore sleek and actually waterproof.
>> 
>> Taking the case apart though is quite easy, if you need step by step let 
>> me know.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2016, at 7:29 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> As the subject says, I just got an OtterBox case for my phone.  I'm 
>>> glad for the extra protection, but not liking the added bulk.  Just 
>>> wondering if any of you who have this case put it on and take it off as 
>>> needed?  If yes, what's the best way to take it off?  (I'm talking 
>>> about the back, not the tempered glass screen protector.)
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: filtering emails

[Kayaker]

Hi,

You can access Rules from the Mail preferences section. You access it in the 
Preferences toolbar. You will probably want to create a rule that says 
something like: Criteria where  If sender is somegroupaddr...@foo.com. And then 
in the Perform action section, select delete message.

Hope this helps.

Best,
—k
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questions.

 

On Mar 16, 2016, at 11:56 AM, Jean  wrote:

> Hello All:
> There are  emails I receive regularly from the same several senders that I 
> want to stop receiving. For whatever reason  the unsubscribe function has 
> stopped working and the lists are no longer maintained by anyone. I have 
> tried filtering them through gmail but that isn’t working, they are still 
> coming through. So I looked at message rules but when I use the short cut of 
> command option l nothing happens.
> 
> Any ideas about how to solve this would be very much appreciated.
> Jean
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Re: Handwriting on an iPhone

[David Chittenden]

Use the two finger flick from right to left to backspace / delete the just 
written letter. Use two finger swipe from left to right for space, right to 
left for delete / backspace, and three-finger swipe down or up to change 
between upercase, lowercase, numbers, and punctuation. When I just tried it, my 
s was recognised as a g. I need to practice more. However, I love braille 
screen input, so keep putting the practice off.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 20 Mar 2016, at 00:02, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah it says S,
> Then if I write O as well it's not showing anything but it says both 
> letters.letters L P T I all seem to work great but it appears to be curved 
> letters.
> C didn' work either.
> 
> Oh well I'll keep trying.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Sunday, 20 March 2016 12:00 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
> 
> It may not be recognising your s.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 23:53, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting that it only works on a app for which I've got one starting with 
>> that letter.
>> 
>> I can't get it to find anything starting with S for which I've got at least 
>> 6 apps sonos and spotify   aren't showing up.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
>> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 3:52 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>> 
>> Whilst on the home screen, turn the rotor to handwriting. draw the first 
>> letter , and then each subsequent letter, of the app name. At any time, use 
>> a two-finger flick down to cycle through the matching apps. Double-tap to 
>> open the selected app.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 19 Mar 2016, at 13:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> So you can use it to open apps on your device?
>>> 
>>> I didn't know that one.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
>>> Chittenden
>>> Sent: Saturday, 19 March 2016 2:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
>>> 
>>> I am slow at handwriting (finger printing), so I mainly use it on the 
>>> homescreens to locate and open apps. I occasionally use it in messages.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 19 Mar 2016, at 00:01, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Yes but in which application does handwriting work better, I've 
 tried it in word from office 365 and pages but it isn't fantastic I 
 was hoping to find something that might work better and a stylus of 
 decent quality that I can write like using a pen and paper,
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David 
 Chittenden
 Sent: Friday, 18 March 2016 10:53 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Handwriting on an iPhone
 
 Handwriting actually just uses the finger drawing the letter in print. Use 
 a three finger flick down to change the case of the letter, the number, or 
 punctuation.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 18 Mar 2016, at 21:43, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
> 
> I'm just wondering if anyone is using handwriting on their iPhone or iPad?
> 
> If so what do people use in the way of a stylus and or apps for 
> picking oup their handwriting
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Simon F
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