Re: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that is running iOS 10.x. Why not?

[Kevin Gibbs]

You’ll be fine.  My problem was that there wasn’t enough power in the USB port 
on the keyboard.  Plugging into the main computer solved the problem.  Too bad 
I upgraded to iOS 11 before I thought of that.  That upgrade is causing me some 
VO problems with mail.  But that’s another story.  
> On Oct 24, 2017, at 11:59 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This fills me with no confidence,
> I have thousands of audio books and from what your saying I'm not goig to be 
> able to easily put them on my iPod.
> 
> Thanks apple you screw us over again.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 October 2017 6:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> Subject: Fwd: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that is 
> running iOS 10.x. Why not?
> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> Subject says it all.  Updated iTunes to latest version.  I know that apps 
>> and music are now divorced.  Have not yet updated ipHone 7 to iOS 11, or mid 
>> 2010 Mac mini to from Sierra to High Sierra.  Want to avoid doing that for  
>> a while.  
>> 
>> Just added a few CDs to my iTunes library and wanted to add them to my phone 
>> by syncing with cable.  Unfortunately, iTunes will not activate the sync 
>> process the way it always did.  
>> 
>> In the past, I had issues that were solved by disconnecting my Skype USB 
>> camera before attempting a cable sync or backup with iTunes.  This doesn’t 
>> work now.  In fact, even my USB full QWERTY keyboard won’t work unless the 
>> iPhone is disconnected.  As near as I can tell, the only imaginable reason 
>> for this lack of operability must lie in the fact that iTunes 12x doesn’t 
>> like iOS 10.  Will upgrading to iOS11 solve this problem?  More to the 
>> point, will I also have to upgrade my mid 2010 Mac mini to High Sierra?  
>> That’s something I really am not interested in doing until I absolutely 
>> must.  If, for some reason, this ancient box won’t tolerate High Sierra, I 
>> need to know that, too.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Kevin
>> 
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Re: Latency when browsing large web pages with High Sierra and VoiceOver?

[Vic]

Cool, I guess you are lucky then!
It's true that I'm on the 2012 Mac mini, but it's a Intel Core I7 quad-core 
CPU with 8 MB of RAM. I don't anticipate VoiceOver needing this much power 
to zip through web pages.
Don't know... Cleaned up caches with 
Onyx, but no go...

On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 12:33:00 AM UTC-7, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
>
> Just tried it, no latency here on this web side on my iMac 2014 with 
> Safari 11 in High Sierra. I even holt down the VO keys and the right arrow 
> key which actually makes no sense but even then no latency.
> Jürgen
>
>
> Am 24.10.2017 um 07:13 schrieb Vic :
>
> Hmmm, viewing this thread in Google Groups on the web, 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/macvisionaries/7n5jMosoJE4
> produces a pretty significant lag for me when VO+arrowing quickly through 
> the page.
> How about you? :)
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 23, 2017 at 11:06:11 AM UTC-7, anders wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>> Not having this issue so far.
>> Have you cleaned out cache and such things for a while?
>> You can do this with an app called onyx.
>> /A
>>
>> 23 okt. 2017 kl. 08:01 skrev Vic :
>>
>> Hi.
>> Am I dreaming this up or there is actually a significant delay when 
>> moving through large web pages with VO nav keys, CTRL+OPTION+arrows?
>> I am noticing that, if the page is simple, VoiceOver seems to be behaving 
>> quite well. However, as soon as the page gets large or has more dynamic 
>> content, VoiceOver gets very very slow.
>>
>> What do others notice?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Victor
>>
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RE: blocking phone numbers

[Simon Fogarty]

There is a blocking numbers feature under the settings / phone within IOS 

Try looking at that and see if it gives you what you require.

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On Behalf Of jean parker
Sent: Wednesday, 25 October 2017 8:57 AM
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Subject: blocking phone numbers

E.t. 
Sorry but all I find there is my list of favorites. I find nothing that says to 
block the number.
Jean
 
Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
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Trans4m Center For Integral Development
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RE: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that is running iOS 10.x. Why not?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi,

This fills me with no confidence,
 I have thousands of audio books and from what your saying I'm not goig to be 
able to easily put them on my iPod.

 Thanks apple you screw us over again.

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On Behalf Of Kevin Gibbs
Sent: Wednesday, 25 October 2017 6:37 AM
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Subject: Fwd: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that is 
running iOS 10.x. Why not?

> Guys,
> 
> Subject says it all.  Updated iTunes to latest version.  I know that apps and 
> music are now divorced.  Have not yet updated ipHone 7 to iOS 11, or mid 2010 
> Mac mini to from Sierra to High Sierra.  Want to avoid doing that for  a 
> while.  
> 
> Just added a few CDs to my iTunes library and wanted to add them to my phone 
> by syncing with cable.  Unfortunately, iTunes will not activate the sync 
> process the way it always did.  
> 
> In the past, I had issues that were solved by disconnecting my Skype USB 
> camera before attempting a cable sync or backup with iTunes.  This doesn’t 
> work now.  In fact, even my USB full QWERTY keyboard won’t work unless the 
> iPhone is disconnected.  As near as I can tell, the only imaginable reason 
> for this lack of operability must lie in the fact that iTunes 12x doesn’t 
> like iOS 10.  Will upgrading to iOS11 solve this problem?  More to the point, 
> will I also have to upgrade my mid 2010 Mac mini to High Sierra?  That’s 
> something I really am not interested in doing until I absolutely must.  If, 
> for some reason, this ancient box won’t tolerate High Sierra, I need to know 
> that, too.
> 
> Best,
> Kevin
> 

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RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Simon Fogarty]

I've never tried  but I don't think so as it will need a device driver to run 
the sound card.

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On Behalf Of Caitlyn Furness
Sent: Wednesday, 25 October 2017 12:49 AM
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Subject: Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

speaking of this, can you use that talking windows installer with boot camp?

Cait


> On Oct 24, 2017, at 4:17 AM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> h,
> thanks a lot.
> Certainly some things to consider.
> can you set up the installer so i don't have to interact during the silent 
> portion of the setup? will the sound come back when it is installed?
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Good points 
>> 
>> Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it via 
>> the installation.
>> 
>> Bad points,
>> You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's not 
>> a vm running windows within the mac OS system .
>> 
>> As for installer of boot camp,
>> Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts the 
>> machine into the windows installation setup..
>> 
>> The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long as 
>> you have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb it 
>> will download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and install 
>> it all from the USB once things are up and working.
>> 
>> Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  there 
>> is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device installed 
>> or working within the windows partition.
>> 
>> Still it's my preferred option.
>> 
>> SF-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>> Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
>> 
>> hey all,
>> Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
>> difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using 
>> bootcamp?
>> I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
>> i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but with 
>> the latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from windows.
>> The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have a 
>> similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
>> parameters and sit back?
>> any help would be great.
>> 
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RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Simon Fogarty]

You wont without sighted assistance.

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On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 9:46 PM
To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

thanks for that info.
i just wonder how i will know when to press the finish button.

> On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:26 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah as the installer goes through and installs windows the final part of the 
> installation is the installation of the Bootcamp / apple drivers for the 
> windows installation.
> 
> Once this is done and the finished button is complete the machine restarts 
> and you can then start up narrator to do other things such as install jaws or 
> NVDA etc.
> 
> I've not been able to setup an installer that didn't need human 
> interaction but I'm guessing tha tit could be done But I've always had 
> sighted assistance.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 9:18 PM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Subject: Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
> 
> h,
> thanks a lot.
> Certainly some things to consider.
> can you set up the installer so i don't have to interact during the silent 
> portion of the setup? will the sound come back when it is installed?
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Good points
>> 
>> Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it via 
>> the installation.
>> 
>> Bad points,
>> You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's not 
>> a vm running windows within the mac OS system .
>> 
>> As for installer of boot camp,
>> Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts the 
>> machine into the windows installation setup..
>> 
>> The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long as 
>> you have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb it 
>> will download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and install 
>> it all from the USB once things are up and working.
>> 
>> Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  there 
>> is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device installed 
>> or working within the windows partition.
>> 
>> Still it's my preferred option.
>> 
>> SF-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
>> Marshall
>> Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> 
>> Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
>> 
>> hey all,
>> Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
>> difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using 
>> bootcamp?
>> I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
>> i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but with 
>> the latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from windows.
>> The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have a 
>> similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
>> parameters and sit back?
>> any help would be great.
>> 
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Re: iTunes Downloads

[E.T.]

   Nothing. I have looked at Check for Downloads and also Purchased 
from the Account menu. I guess it was not time to watch anything new 
tonight. (puts away the popcorn) Hopefully I will get the shows tomorrow.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/24/2017 9:12 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Are they just taking forever to download, or did they not even start?  If the 
latter, look under the TV Shows pane, see if they are listed in your available 
shows.  If they are, you should be able to bring up the Contextual menu and 
start the download from there.  If it's the former, it could just be a 
localized issue.  I've not heard anything system wide as a problem.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 24, 2017, at 21:24, E.T.  wrote:

   Anyone having trouble downloading new content purchased from iTunes on the 
Mac? I bought (I think) a couple TV shows a few hours ago and still no 
downloads.

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Re: iTunes Downloads

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Are they just taking forever to download, or did they not even start?  If the 
latter, look under the TV Shows pane, see if they are listed in your available 
shows.  If they are, you should be able to bring up the Contextual menu and 
start the download from there.  If it's the former, it could just be a 
localized issue.  I've not heard anything system wide as a problem.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 24, 2017, at 21:24, E.T.  wrote:

  Anyone having trouble downloading new content purchased from iTunes on the 
Mac? I bought (I think) a couple TV shows a few hours ago and still no 
downloads.

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iTunes Downloads

[E.T.]

   Anyone having trouble downloading new content purchased from iTunes 
on the Mac? I bought (I think) a couple TV shows a few hours ago and 
still no downloads.


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Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Michael Marshall]

thanks a lot.

> On 25 Oct 2017, at 1:14 pm, Ryan Mann  wrote:
> 
> If you are talking about the windows installer, press Control Windows Enter.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> how do you get this new installer to talk?
>> 
>>> On 25 Oct 2017, at 12:41 am, Aleeha Dudley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There was an issue a while back with the creators update and Bootcamp, but 
>>> as far as I am aware, this has been fixed, as I and a couple of friends 
>>> have successfully installed it. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
 
 Microsoft, for some reason, doesn’t advise doing that when you go to 
 download the ISO file. Any particular reason for that?
 
 
> On Oct 24, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
> wrote:
> 
> Actually,  with the Windows 10 Creators update, one can now install 
> Windows with Bootcamp completely independently and will have speech 
> during the Windows setup screens. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> speaking of this, can you use that talking windows installer with boot 
>> camp?
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 4:17 AM, Michael Marshall 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> h,
>>> thanks a lot.
>>> Certainly some things to consider.
>>> can you set up the installer so i don't have to interact during the 
>>> silent portion of the setup? will the sound come back when it is 
>>> installed?
>>> 
 On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Good points 
 
 Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it 
 via the installation.
 
 Bad points,
 You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as 
 it's not a vm running windows within the mac OS system .
 
 As for installer of boot camp,
 Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp 
 restarts the machine into the windows installation setup..
 
 The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so 
 long as you have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 
 16GB usb it will download the apple drivers and windows installation 
 setup and install it all from the USB once things are up and working.
 
 Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  
 there is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device 
 installed or working within the windows partition.
 
 Still it's my preferred option.
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
 Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
 To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
 Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
 
 hey all,
 Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some 
 relationship difficulties and i was wondering if there are any 
 advantages to using bootcamp?
 I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
 i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but 
 with the latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from 
 windows.
 The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp 
 have a similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your 
 chosen parameters and sit back?
 any help would be great.
 
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Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Ryan Mann]

If you are talking about the windows installer, press Control Windows Enter.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> how do you get this new installer to talk?
> 
>> On 25 Oct 2017, at 12:41 am, Aleeha Dudley  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> There was an issue a while back with the creators update and Bootcamp, but 
>> as far as I am aware, this has been fixed, as I and a couple of friends have 
>> successfully installed it. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Microsoft, for some reason, doesn’t advise doing that when you go to 
>>> download the ISO file. Any particular reason for that?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
 wrote:
 
 Actually,  with the Windows 10 Creators update, one can now install 
 Windows with Bootcamp completely independently and will have speech during 
 the Windows setup screens. 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Oct 24, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> speaking of this, can you use that talking windows installer with boot 
> camp?
> 
> Cait
> 
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 4:17 AM, Michael Marshall 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> h,
>> thanks a lot.
>> Certainly some things to consider.
>> can you set up the installer so i don't have to interact during the 
>> silent portion of the setup? will the sound come back when it is 
>> installed?
>> 
>>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good points 
>>> 
>>> Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it 
>>> via the installation.
>>> 
>>> Bad points,
>>> You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as 
>>> it's not a vm running windows within the mac OS system .
>>> 
>>> As for installer of boot camp,
>>> Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp 
>>> restarts the machine into the windows installation setup..
>>> 
>>> The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long 
>>> as you have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB 
>>> usb it will download the apple drivers and windows installation setup 
>>> and install it all from the USB once things are up and working.
>>> 
>>> Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  
>>> there is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device 
>>> installed or working within the windows partition.
>>> 
>>> Still it's my preferred option.
>>> 
>>> SF-Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
>>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
>>> 
>>> hey all,
>>> Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some 
>>> relationship difficulties and i was wondering if there are any 
>>> advantages to using bootcamp?
>>> I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
>>> i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but 
>>> with the latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from 
>>> windows.
>>> The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp 
>>> have a similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your 
>>> chosen parameters and sit back?
>>> any help would be great.
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Re: Apps to help identify songs/lyrics.

[Jessica Moss]

Can you write me off list?  I have some things I’d like to ask you that are off 
topic for this list.
> On Oct 24, 2017, at 12:31 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jessica,
> What I do when I'm on the praise teem drumming is just to ask the Teem leader 
> for detailed song info and then they dig up the info and send it over so I 
> can prepare properly.
> Some one in leadership or on the teem definitely has the info you need so to 
> save   time  ask them for it.
> JMO
> Chuck
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 24, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:
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>> Ok, I used to use soundhound/siri in order to do the vary thing mentioned in 
>> the subject line; however, in the situation I’m currently in, neither are 
>> cutting it at this point.  I’ve just received new choir material, which of 
>> course has been modified for the ranges we’re supposed to sing; however, for 
>> whatever reason, the CD I was given doesn’t have the tracks titled, and 
>> scanning the printed material I was given with the words to these songs has 
>> been a nightmare.
>> Most of these are all meddlies, and most of them, I can do about a million 
>> google searches for, and have come up with nothing, so if anyone knows of an 
>> alternative, I’d really appreciate whatever info you can give me, sense I 
>> need to learn these in about 8 weeks for a production we’re about to put on 
>> for Christmas.
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Re: Reorganizing inside playlist

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

I’ve never tried using the drag and drop to do it, but command-x/v works fine, 
at least in the latest iTunes under Sierra .

> On Oct 24, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I’m having trouble moving songs around inside a playlist.  I thought I use to 
> be able to delete the song, then paste it in a different slot.  I’ve tried 
> cutting and pasting with VO-comma and VO-period, but that isn’t working.  Nor 
> is mouse down and move the song.  Any suggestions?
> 
> For now, I deleted the playlist and I’ll start over.  Being more careful 
> where I’m placing the tracks.
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Re: blocking phone numbers in ios

[Caitlyn Furness]

This is an even faster way to get to the block option!

Cait


> On Oct 24, 2017, at 12:39 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Jean,
>   The Block this Caller option is still present in iOS 10. Do this. After you 
> open the More option, tap the Favorites tab at the bottom then swipe left 
> once.
> 
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> On 10/24/2017 9:28 AM, jean parker wrote:
>> Hi Kaitlin:
>> That is the whole point. The block number option is gone and this is for all 
>> phone numbers.
>> Jean
>> Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
>> Senior Research Fellow
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Re: blocking phone numbers in ios

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi Jean,

I just checked this out to double check..

Tap on recents in the phone app and pick the number you are interested in.  tap 
on the more info button after the name of the number, or the number itself, 
depending on how it shows up. Another screen will open.  the first button you 
see is edit.  Swipe through this entire screen and the block caller option is 
way at the bottom of the screen.  Tap it and you’re good to go.

Caution: if you select the edit button, this will let you edit the contact info 
for the number, but *not* block-the block option is on the screen that opens 
after you tap on the more info button..

HTH,
Cait


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Re: Conversation threads in messages app on the mac and iPhone after latest updates

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Andrew,

Yes, there are a lot of opinions out there regarding clean installs.  Some 
swear by them, others not so much.  I'm in the "not so much" category.  If 
things are running normally in the earlier OS, then I would say that the clean 
install is unnecessary.  If you're experiencing problems, then by all means a 
clean install may fix some of those issues.  One of the problems that I find 
with people doing clean installs, is that they don't really do a true clean 
install.  The true clean install requires you to reinstall all apps, 
reconfigure all network settings, re-create user accounts etc.  Using any 
migration tools negates the possible benefits of the clean install.  I've not 
performed a clean install since probably 10.5 or so which includes computer 
changes, HD to SSD changes etc.  All runs smooth as silk as far as I can tell.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 24, 2017, at 14:44, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Hello Tim,

I’ve taken the steps you’ve kindly recommended.  Let’s see what’s going to 
happen.  I did a clean install of High Sierra, hoping that I’m going to have 
fewer problems.  I’m not sure whether I did the right thing or not.  A lot of 
hassle.  I probably won’t do another clean install again.

Thanks again for your generous response as always.

Andrew

> On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:30 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> I am not seeing this on my iPhone 6S running the latest iOS release of iOS 
> 11.  It sounds like the Messages app is not properly coordinating with the 
> Contacts app.  I would go into your iCloud settings and verify that Contacts 
> is enabled and also verify that some of these specific contacts are 
> displaying properly in the Contacts app.  If things look normal when checking 
> these items, first thing to always do is restart your iPhone.  If you've done 
> that already, or if nothing improves, try turning off Contacts in iCloud then 
> turning it back on.  I've found that the best thing to do when turning it 
> off, is to turn it off, then back out of Settings, then re-open Settings and 
> the iCloud pane and to finally re-enable syncing of your contacts.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 24, 2017, at 03:19, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Just want to confirm from other users whether they are seeing this strange 
> behaviour: in Messages app on the mac and on the iPhone, previously 
> conversations were threaded by the name of the sender obtained from contacts. 
>  After I’ve updated to High Sierra and to iOS 11, conversations are not 
> always threaded at all and the sender name is missing, replaced by their 
> phone number.  This is a bit of a nuisance.  I’ve searched for a setting to 
> adjust but I can’t find it.  Might it be a bug?  The strange thing is that if 
> I compose a message first and choose a particular contact from Contacts, then 
> the message appears with the name of the person I have sent to but if they 
> reply to my message, their reply is not a part of the thread but appears 
> separately and it is their telephone number that appears in the list of 
> messages so you can’t tell who the message is from unless you read it.
> 
> I’m also having trouble deleting messages.  When I choose to delete a message 
> via the action menu, Messages app still reports this message.  Nor does the 
> status of the message changes when I’ve read it.  Is this something you are 
> noticing as well?
> 
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Re: Conversation threads in messages app on the mac and iPhone after latest updates

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hello Tim,

I’ve taken the steps you’ve kindly recommended.  Let’s see what’s going to 
happen.  I did a clean install of High Sierra, hoping that I’m going to have 
fewer problems.  I’m not sure whether I did the right thing or not.  A lot of 
hassle.  I probably won’t do another clean install again.

Thanks again for your generous response as always.

Andrew

> On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:30 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> I am not seeing this on my iPhone 6S running the latest iOS release of iOS 
> 11.  It sounds like the Messages app is not properly coordinating with the 
> Contacts app.  I would go into your iCloud settings and verify that Contacts 
> is enabled and also verify that some of these specific contacts are 
> displaying properly in the Contacts app.  If things look normal when checking 
> these items, first thing to always do is restart your iPhone.  If you've done 
> that already, or if nothing improves, try turning off Contacts in iCloud then 
> turning it back on.  I've found that the best thing to do when turning it 
> off, is to turn it off, then back out of Settings, then re-open Settings and 
> the iCloud pane and to finally re-enable syncing of your contacts.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 24, 2017, at 03:19, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Just want to confirm from other users whether they are seeing this strange 
> behaviour: in Messages app on the mac and on the iPhone, previously 
> conversations were threaded by the name of the sender obtained from contacts. 
>  After I’ve updated to High Sierra and to iOS 11, conversations are not 
> always threaded at all and the sender name is missing, replaced by their 
> phone number.  This is a bit of a nuisance.  I’ve searched for a setting to 
> adjust but I can’t find it.  Might it be a bug?  The strange thing is that if 
> I compose a message first and choose a particular contact from Contacts, then 
> the message appears with the name of the person I have sent to but if they 
> reply to my message, their reply is not a part of the thread but appears 
> separately and it is their telephone number that appears in the list of 
> messages so you can’t tell who the message is from unless you read it.
> 
> I’m also having trouble deleting messages.  When I choose to delete a message 
> via the action menu, Messages app still reports this message.  Nor does the 
> status of the message changes when I’ve read it.  Is this something you are 
> noticing as well?
> 
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Re: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that isrunning iOS 10.x. Why not?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Kevin,

Glad it's all sorted out.  Yes, the power requirements of many newer devices 
can't be met by the ports on the side of the USB keyboard.  The other thing to 
be careful of is to not plug a keyboard in through a USB hub.  Odd things often 
will happen.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 24, 2017, at 14:14, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:

Tim

To clarify, the failing keyboard was the externally connected USB QWERTY 
keyboard tot he Mac, not the internal on screen iPhone keyboard.  I think I 
know what the problem is.  

For most of my Mac life, I was able to connect my iPhone to a USB port on my 
USB keyboard.  Apparently, the iPhone 7 requires more power.  So, when the 
iPhone is connected to the USB port on the right hand side of the QWERTY 
keyboard, the keyboard fails to work because too much power is being drawn.  
This would also account for the fact that I was incessantly hearing the beep 
that you hear when a phone begins charging.  Again, too much power being drawn. 
 I have now connected the iPhone to one of the USB ports on the back of the Mac 
mini.  I have also still removed my USB Skype camera during this process.  All 
seems to be behaving as it always has.  Perhaps, I didn’t have to upgrade to 
iOS 11.  If I had thought to plug into the back instead of the KB, I probably 
could have saved myself most of this exchange.  

Thanks everyone.

Oh well,
Kevin
> On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:05 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> First, if you're subscribed to Apple Music or iTunes Match, music that is not 
> purchased from iTunes, will be searched for in the Apple iTunes huge library 
> in an effort to give you a iTunes quality version of the song title.  If it 
> is not available in the iTunes Store, then it is simply uploaded to Apple's 
> servers for use on all your devices.  You do not lose anything from those 
> sorts of titles.  Apple also does not appear to care where that music came 
> from, if it does not match anything in their library, it's yours to do with 
> whatever you wish.  The problems arise when you use Apple Music and it does 
> match a ripped song title with an iTunes version.  What seems to happen is 
> that it upgrades the title to the Apple Music version, which is fine, but if 
> you ever stop your Apple Music subscription, then those titles are no longer 
> accessible.  The workaround is to keep a copy of those titles on a separate 
> drive somewhere just in case you do stop your subscription.  The iTunes Match 
> subscription does the same sort of thing, in the sense that it will give you 
> the iTunes high quality version, but it does not have the same DRM 
> restrictions, so if you were to stop the iTunes Match subscription, you get 
> to keep the newer high quality version of the song title without any issues.  
> I guess that it's entirely possible that Apple Music has modified things so 
> that you don't necessarily lose your titles, but I haven't heard of that 
> myself.
> 
> Now moving on to your original issue.  it sounds like there are devices or 
> software on your Mac that are either dedicating ports or messing with 
> configuration in some manner.  There's no real logical reason for your 
> keyboard to stop working when an iPhone is connected unless the iPhone is 
> being identified as some other kind of device instead.  I'm certainly not 
> saying that it isn't happening, just that there's no logical reason.  I 
> wonder if you have an external keyboard you could connect that would be 
> usable when the internal keyboard is being uncooperative?  Either Bluetooth 
> or USB would do.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 24, 2017, at 12:56, Kevin Gibbs  > wrote:
> 
> Let me add some more information.  I avoided joining Apple Music because I 
> have some content on my computer that is not commercially released and I was 
> given to understand that joining Apple Music might erase that kind of private 
> content from my library if AM couldn't match it.  I just read a new article 
> about turning on iCloud Music Library that said something about having the 
> choice to merge your content on your devices with Apple Music.  This sounds 
> like it should prevent the erasure of private, noncommercial recordings.  but 
> don't want to screw with it right now. In any event, still don't know how 
> to change the settings related to my iPhone in iTunes on my Mac because, when 
> the phone is connected, the QWERTY keyboard is toast.  Further, even with my 
> Trackpad, which does work in all cases, I can't see how to get to the devices 
> tab in a way where I could make these changes anyway.  
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Re: iTunes Radio Stations

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

That answers your question Mark.  It asked you to subscribe to Apple music 
which means then you can't create a radio station without subscribing to a 
streaming service as far as I'm concerned then!

Kawal.

> On 24 Oct 2017, at 00:38, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,  
> 
> Is it still possible to create new iTunes radio stations if one does not
> subscribe to Apple Music?  
> 
> I attempted to create a new radio station in the iOS 11 Music app, but was
> unable to do so without first agreeing to subscribe to the Apple Music
> streaming service.
> 
> All replies welcomed.
> 
> Mark
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Re: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that isrunning iOS 10.x. Why not?

[Kevin Gibbs]

Tim

To clarify, the failing keyboard was the externally connected USB QWERTY 
keyboard tot he Mac, not the internal on screen iPhone keyboard.  I think I 
know what the problem is.  

For most of my Mac life, I was able to connect my iPhone to a USB port on my 
USB keyboard.  Apparently, the iPhone 7 requires more power.  So, when the 
iPhone is connected to the USB port on the right hand side of the QWERTY 
keyboard, the keyboard fails to work because too much power is being drawn.  
This would also account for the fact that I was incessantly hearing the beep 
that you hear when a phone begins charging.  Again, too much power being drawn. 
 I have now connected the iPhone to one of the USB ports on the back of the Mac 
mini.  I have also still removed my USB Skype camera during this process.  All 
seems to be behaving as it always has.  Perhaps, I didn’t have to upgrade to 
iOS 11.  If I had thought to plug into the back instead of the KB, I probably 
could have saved myself most of this exchange.  

Thanks everyone.

Oh well,
Kevin
> On Oct 24, 2017, at 3:05 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> First, if you're subscribed to Apple Music or iTunes Match, music that is not 
> purchased from iTunes, will be searched for in the Apple iTunes huge library 
> in an effort to give you a iTunes quality version of the song title.  If it 
> is not available in the iTunes Store, then it is simply uploaded to Apple's 
> servers for use on all your devices.  You do not lose anything from those 
> sorts of titles.  Apple also does not appear to care where that music came 
> from, if it does not match anything in their library, it's yours to do with 
> whatever you wish.  The problems arise when you use Apple Music and it does 
> match a ripped song title with an iTunes version.  What seems to happen is 
> that it upgrades the title to the Apple Music version, which is fine, but if 
> you ever stop your Apple Music subscription, then those titles are no longer 
> accessible.  The workaround is to keep a copy of those titles on a separate 
> drive somewhere just in case you do stop your subscription.  The iTunes Match 
> subscription does the same sort of thing, in the sense that it will give you 
> the iTunes high quality version, but it does not have the same DRM 
> restrictions, so if you were to stop the iTunes Match subscription, you get 
> to keep the newer high quality version of the song title without any issues.  
> I guess that it's entirely possible that Apple Music has modified things so 
> that you don't necessarily lose your titles, but I haven't heard of that 
> myself.
> 
> Now moving on to your original issue.  it sounds like there are devices or 
> software on your Mac that are either dedicating ports or messing with 
> configuration in some manner.  There's no real logical reason for your 
> keyboard to stop working when an iPhone is connected unless the iPhone is 
> being identified as some other kind of device instead.  I'm certainly not 
> saying that it isn't happening, just that there's no logical reason.  I 
> wonder if you have an external keyboard you could connect that would be 
> usable when the internal keyboard is being uncooperative?  Either Bluetooth 
> or USB would do.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Oct 24, 2017, at 12:56, Kevin Gibbs  > wrote:
> 
> Let me add some more information.  I avoided joining Apple Music because I 
> have some content on my computer that is not commercially released and I was 
> given to understand that joining Apple Music might erase that kind of private 
> content from my library if AM couldn't match it.  I just read a new article 
> about turning on iCloud Music Library that said something about having the 
> choice to merge your content on your devices with Apple Music.  This sounds 
> like it should prevent the erasure of private, noncommercial recordings.  but 
> don't want to screw with it right now. In any event, still don't know how 
> to change the settings related to my iPhone in iTunes on my Mac because, when 
> the phone is connected, the QWERTY keyboard is toast.  Further, even with my 
> Trackpad, which does work in all cases, I can't see how to get to the devices 
> tab in a way where I could make these changes anyway.  
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Re: blocking phone numbers

[E.T.]

Jean,
   Step by step. Open the phone app. Open Recents. Locate the offending 
entry. Swipe to More and open it. Single tap Favorites to put focus on 
it, do not open Favorites. Swipe left one time. That should land you on 
the Block button that is in the More screen.


   A lot of work and I do not bother with it myself. Perhaps 1 out of 
hundreds will use the same number to annoy you. If the caller is not in 
my contacts, I just do not pick up and if my phone is within reach, I 
press the sleep/wake button twice to send them straight to voice mail. 
Only once out of hundreds has a scamnmer even left a voice mail.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/24/2017 12:56 PM, jean parker wrote:

E.t.
Sorry but all I find there is my list of favorites. I find nothing that says to 
block the number.
Jean
  
Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.

Senior Research Fellow
Trans4m Center For Integral Development
Geneva, Switzerland



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Re: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that isrunning iOS 10.x. Why not?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

First, if you're subscribed to Apple Music or iTunes Match, music that is not 
purchased from iTunes, will be searched for in the Apple iTunes huge library in 
an effort to give you a iTunes quality version of the song title.  If it is not 
available in the iTunes Store, then it is simply uploaded to Apple's servers 
for use on all your devices.  You do not lose anything from those sorts of 
titles.  Apple also does not appear to care where that music came from, if it 
does not match anything in their library, it's yours to do with whatever you 
wish.  The problems arise when you use Apple Music and it does match a ripped 
song title with an iTunes version.  What seems to happen is that it upgrades 
the title to the Apple Music version, which is fine, but if you ever stop your 
Apple Music subscription, then those titles are no longer accessible.  The 
workaround is to keep a copy of those titles on a separate drive somewhere just 
in case you do stop your subscription.  The iTunes Match subscription does the 
same sort of thing, in the sense that it will give you the iTunes high quality 
version, but it does not have the same DRM restrictions, so if you were to stop 
the iTunes Match subscription, you get to keep the newer high quality version 
of the song title without any issues.  I guess that it's entirely possible that 
Apple Music has modified things so that you don't necessarily lose your titles, 
but I haven't heard of that myself.

Now moving on to your original issue.  it sounds like there are devices or 
software on your Mac that are either dedicating ports or messing with 
configuration in some manner.  There's no real logical reason for your keyboard 
to stop working when an iPhone is connected unless the iPhone is being 
identified as some other kind of device instead.  I'm certainly not saying that 
it isn't happening, just that there's no logical reason.  I wonder if you have 
an external keyboard you could connect that would be usable when the internal 
keyboard is being uncooperative?  Either Bluetooth or USB would do.

Later...



Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 24, 2017, at 12:56, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:

Let me add some more information.  I avoided joining Apple Music because I have 
some content on my computer that is not commercially released and I was given 
to understand that joining Apple Music might erase that kind of private content 
from my library if AM couldn't match it.  I just read a new article about 
turning on iCloud Music Library that said something about having the choice to 
merge your content on your devices with Apple Music.  This sounds like it 
should prevent the erasure of private, noncommercial recordings.  but don't 
want to screw with it right now. In any event, still don't know how to 
change the settings related to my iPhone in iTunes on my Mac because, when the 
phone is connected, the QWERTY keyboard is toast.  Further, even with my 
Trackpad, which does work in all cases, I can't see how to get to the devices 
tab in a way where I could make these changes anyway.  

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blocking phone numbers, got it

[jean parker]

Hi:
Disregard my last message about blocking phone numbers. Actually, after opening 
more info you have to focus on favorites then swipe left to find the blocking 
feature. Instead of just focusing on it I was opening favorites.

Many thanks for your help,
Jean

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Re: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that isrunning iOS 10.x. Why not?

[Kevin Gibbs]

I promise you that the iPhone doesn[t show up anywhere.  I hear the beep you 
get when you plug the phone in to charge.  This beep recurs every 15 seconds or 
so.  But the device never appears on screen.  I know this because I can see 
well enough to know.  It’s not on the top of the screen.  It’s not on the left 
side of the screen.  WTF, ladies and gentlemen?

> On Oct 24, 2017, at 2:23 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Kevin,
>   If the keyboard is the pothole, can you use the Mac's keyboard? When an 
> iDevice is connected, it will show un the navigation bar.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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> 
> On 10/24/2017 12:04 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:
>> To clarify that last sentence, my device does not appear in the left hand 
>> sidebar under any circumstances.  There is a reference to an iPhone under 
>> Preferences/devices.  But no way to choose manual options of any kind.
>>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Kevin Gibbs >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Let me add some more information.  I avoided joining Apple Music because I 
>>> have some content on my computer that is not commercially released and I 
>>> was given to understand that joining Apple Music might erase that kind of 
>>> private content from my library if AM couldn't match it.  I just read a new 
>>> article about turning on iCloud Music Library that said something about 
>>> having the choice to merge your content on your devices with Apple Music.  
>>> This sounds like it should prevent the erasure of private, noncommercial 
>>> recordings.  but don't want to screw with it right now. In any event, 
>>> still don't know how to change the settings related to my iPhone in iTunes 
>>> on my Mac because, when the phone is connected, the QWERTY keyboard is 
>>> toast.  Further, even with my Trackpad, which does work in all cases, I 
>>> can't see how to get to the devices tab in a way where I could make these 
>>> changes anyway.
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blocking phone numbers

[jean parker]

E.t. 
Sorry but all I find there is my list of favorites. I find nothing that says to 
block the number.
Jean
 
Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
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Trans4m Center For Integral Development
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Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Michael Marshall]

how do you get this new installer to talk?

> On 25 Oct 2017, at 12:41 am, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
> There was an issue a while back with the creators update and Bootcamp, but as 
> far as I am aware, this has been fixed, as I and a couple of friends have 
> successfully installed it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
>> 
>> Microsoft, for some reason, doesn’t advise doing that when you go to 
>> download the ISO file. Any particular reason for that?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually,  with the Windows 10 Creators update, one can now install Windows 
>>> with Bootcamp completely independently and will have speech during the 
>>> Windows setup screens. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
 wrote:
 
 speaking of this, can you use that talking windows installer with boot 
 camp?
 
 Cait
 
 
> On Oct 24, 2017, at 4:17 AM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> h,
> thanks a lot.
> Certainly some things to consider.
> can you set up the installer so i don't have to interact during the 
> silent portion of the setup? will the sound come back when it is 
> installed?
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Good points 
>> 
>> Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it 
>> via the installation.
>> 
>> Bad points,
>> You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's 
>> not a vm running windows within the mac OS system .
>> 
>> As for installer of boot camp,
>> Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts 
>> the machine into the windows installation setup..
>> 
>> The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long 
>> as you have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb 
>> it will download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and 
>> install it all from the USB once things are up and working.
>> 
>> Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  
>> there is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device 
>> installed or working within the windows partition.
>> 
>> Still it's my preferred option.
>> 
>> SF-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>> Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
>> 
>> hey all,
>> Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some 
>> relationship difficulties and i was wondering if there are any 
>> advantages to using bootcamp?
>> I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
>> i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but 
>> with the latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from 
>> windows.
>> The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp 
>> have a similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your 
>> chosen parameters and sit back?
>> any help would be great.
>> 
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Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Michael Marshall]

Astounding!
thanks for the info about the creators

> On 25 Oct 2017, at 12:29 am, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
> Actually,  with the Windows 10 Creators update, one can now install Windows 
> with Bootcamp completely independently and will have speech during the 
> Windows setup screens. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> speaking of this, can you use that talking windows installer with boot camp?
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 4:17 AM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> h,
>>> thanks a lot.
>>> Certainly some things to consider.
>>> can you set up the installer so i don't have to interact during the silent 
>>> portion of the setup? will the sound come back when it is installed?
>>> 
 On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Good points 
 
 Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it via 
 the installation.
 
 Bad points,
 You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's 
 not a vm running windows within the mac OS system .
 
 As for installer of boot camp,
 Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts 
 the machine into the windows installation setup..
 
 The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long as 
 you have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb it 
 will download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and install 
 it all from the USB once things are up and working.
 
 Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  
 there is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device 
 installed or working within the windows partition.
 
 Still it's my preferred option.
 
 SF-Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
 Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
 To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
 Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
 
 hey all,
 Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
 difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using 
 bootcamp?
 I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
 i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but 
 with the latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from 
 windows.
 The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have 
 a similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
 parameters and sit back?
 any help would be great.
 
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Re: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that isrunning iOS 10.x. Why not?

[Kevin Gibbs]

This is the Mac keyboard that fails when the phone is connected.  
> On Oct 24, 2017, at 2:23 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Kevin,
>   If the keyboard is the pothole, can you use the Mac's keyboard? When an 
> iDevice is connected, it will show un the navigation bar.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 10/24/2017 12:04 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:
>> To clarify that last sentence, my device does not appear in the left hand 
>> sidebar under any circumstances.  There is a reference to an iPhone under 
>> Preferences/devices.  But no way to choose manual options of any kind.
>>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Kevin Gibbs >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Let me add some more information.  I avoided joining Apple Music because I 
>>> have some content on my computer that is not commercially released and I 
>>> was given to understand that joining Apple Music might erase that kind of 
>>> private content from my library if AM couldn't match it.  I just read a new 
>>> article about turning on iCloud Music Library that said something about 
>>> having the choice to merge your content on your devices with Apple Music.  
>>> This sounds like it should prevent the erasure of private, noncommercial 
>>> recordings.  but don't want to screw with it right now. In any event, 
>>> still don't know how to change the settings related to my iPhone in iTunes 
>>> on my Mac because, when the phone is connected, the QWERTY keyboard is 
>>> toast.  Further, even with my Trackpad, which does work in all cases, I 
>>> can't see how to get to the devices tab in a way where I could make these 
>>> changes anyway.
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Re: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that isrunning iOS 10.x. Why not?

[E.T.]

Kevin,
   If the keyboard is the pothole, can you use the Mac's keyboard? When 
an iDevice is connected, it will show un the navigation bar.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/24/2017 12:04 PM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:
To clarify that last sentence, my device does not appear in the left 
hand sidebar under any circumstances.  There is a reference to an iPhone 
under Preferences/devices.  But no way to choose manual options of any 
kind.


On Oct 24, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Kevin Gibbs > wrote:


Let me add some more information.  I avoided joining Apple Music 
because I have some content on my computer that is not commercially 
released and I was given to understand that joining Apple Music might 
erase that kind of private content from my library if AM couldn't 
match it.  I just read a new article about turning on iCloud Music 
Library that said something about having the choice to merge your 
content on your devices with Apple Music.  This sounds like it should 
prevent the erasure of private, noncommercial recordings.  but don't 
want to screw with it right now.     In any event, still don't know 
how to change the settings related to my iPhone in iTunes on my Mac 
because, when the phone is connected, the QWERTY keyboard is toast. 
 Further, even with my Trackpad, which does work in all cases, I can't 
see how to get to the devices tab in a way where I could make these 
changes anyway.


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RE: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that isrunningiOS 10.x. Why not?

[David Griffith]

I  looked up on google and it appears that for the set up only you need to have 
your phone connected to iTunes and then turn on wireless synch.

However the behaviour you describe when your keyboard is non responsive when 
your phone is connected is something I have never experienced.   There sounds 
like it is a problem with the OS at some level. I think you can still repair 
permissions with the Onyx free utility and trouble shooting steps like 
resetting the Pram may be in order.
In the end you may have to re-install the OS if it does not behave properly.
Another approach is to avoid iTunes entirely and purchase the excellent  and 
accessible Waltr app from the App Store which will transfer music to your phone 
simply by copying and pasting from Finder to the App.
For what it is worth here is the link from Google on setting up wireless synch.
https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT203075
There is no reference to either Apple Music or iTunes Match or iCloud.
David Griffith
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: Kevin Gibbs
Sent: 24 October 2017 20:04
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that 
isrunningiOS 10.x. Why not?

To clarify that last sentence, my device does not appear in the left hand 
sidebar under any circumstances.  There is a reference to an iPhone under 
Preferences/devices.  But no way to choose manual options of any kind.  

On Oct 24, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:

Let me add some more information.  I avoided joining Apple Music because I have 
some content on my computer that is not commercially released and I was given 
to understand that joining Apple Music might erase that kind of private content 
from my library if AM couldn't match it.  I just read a new article about 
turning on iCloud Music Library that said something about having the choice to 
merge your content on your devices with Apple Music.  This sounds like it 
should prevent the erasure of private, noncommercial recordings.  but don't 
want to screw with it right now.     In any event, still don't know how to 
change the settings related to my iPhone in iTunes on my Mac because, when the 
phone is connected, the QWERTY keyboard is toast.  Further, even with my 
Trackpad, which does work in all cases, I can't see how to get to the devices 
tab in a way where I could make these changes anyway.  

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RE: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that isrunningiOS 10.x. Why not?

[David Griffith]

I have never had Apple Music and will never have it.
This has nothing to do with wireless synching.
As far as I am aware it is nothing to do with iCloud either  but simply a way 
of transferring content without a cable.
I am not on my Mac at the moment but I will have a look on Google to see if 
wireless synch is still an easy option.

David Griffith

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From: Kevin Gibbs
Sent: 24 October 2017 19:57
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that 
isrunningiOS 10.x. Why not?

Let me add some more information.  I avoided joining Apple Music because I have 
some content on my computer that is not commercially released and I was given 
to understand that joining Apple Music might erase that kind of private content 
from my library if AM couldn't match it.  I just read a new article about 
turning on iCloud Music Library that said something about having the choice to 
merge your content on your devices with Apple Music.  This sounds like it 
should prevent the erasure of private, noncommercial recordings.  but don't 
want to screw with it right now.     In any event, still don't know how to 
change the settings related to my iPhone in iTunes on my Mac because, when the 
phone is connected, the QWERTY keyboard is toast.  Further, even with my 
Trackpad, which does work in all cases, I can't see how to get to the devices 
tab in a way where I could make these changes anyway.  
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Re: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that isrunning iOS 10.x. Why not?

[Kevin Gibbs]

To clarify that last sentence, my device does not appear in the left hand 
sidebar under any circumstances.  There is a reference to an iPhone under 
Preferences/devices.  But no way to choose manual options of any kind.  

> On Oct 24, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
> 
> Let me add some more information.  I avoided joining Apple Music because I 
> have some content on my computer that is not commercially released and I was 
> given to understand that joining Apple Music might erase that kind of private 
> content from my library if AM couldn't match it.  I just read a new article 
> about turning on iCloud Music Library that said something about having the 
> choice to merge your content on your devices with Apple Music.  This sounds 
> like it should prevent the erasure of private, noncommercial recordings.  but 
> don't want to screw with it right now. In any event, still don't know how 
> to change the settings related to my iPhone in iTunes on my Mac because, when 
> the phone is connected, the QWERTY keyboard is toast.  Further, even with my 
> Trackpad, which does work in all cases, I can't see how to get to the devices 
> tab in a way where I could make these changes anyway.  
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Re: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that isrunning iOS 10.x. Why not?

[Kevin Gibbs]

Let me add some more information.  I avoided joining Apple Music because I 
have some content on my computer that is not commercially released and I 
was given to understand that joining Apple Music might erase that kind of 
private content from my library if AM couldn't match it.  I just read a new 
article about turning on iCloud Music Library that said something about 
having the choice to merge your content on your devices with Apple Music. 
 This sounds like it should prevent the erasure of private, noncommercial 
recordings.  but don't want to screw with it right now. In any event, 
still don't know how to change the settings related to my iPhone in iTunes 
on my Mac because, when the phone is connected, the QWERTY keyboard is 
toast.  Further, even with my Trackpad, which does work in all cases, I 
can't see how to get to the devices tab in a way where I could make these 
changes anyway.  

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Re: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that isrunning iOS 10.x. Why not?

[E.T.]

   iOS app support is gone from iTunes 12.7 yes but one can certainly 
sync music. Am running High Sierra and using iPhone 5 with iOS 10,3,3,


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On 10/24/2017 11:20 AM, Kevin Gibbs wrote:

David,
I think I resisted iCloud as a sync option a while back but can't 
remember why.  Since I can't even use my keyboard when the phone is 
connected to iTunes, I don't know how I'd change my options right now if 
I wanted to.


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RE: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that isrunningiOS 10.x. Why not?

[David Griffith]

I am not sure how involved iCloud is with this. Certainly I have never seen my 
Music in iCloud apart from the fact that  I have an iTunes Match subscription 
but even before I had this I believe I could transfer wirelessly.
I think you go into iTunes Preference and turn on Wireless synching  from 
there. Possibly you need to do the same on your phone.
Do all this  without your phone connected.
I have not ripped a CD for a while but with this enabled all I do is  import 
the CD into iTunes and it magically turns up on my iPhone without any further 
intervention from me. I don’t ever connect with a cable for transferring music.
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From: Kevin Gibbs
Sent: 24 October 2017 19:20
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that 
isrunningiOS 10.x. Why not?

David,
I think I resisted iCloud as a sync option a while back but can't remember why. 
 Since I can't even use my keyboard when the phone is connected to iTunes, I 
don't know how I'd change my options right now if I wanted to.   
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Reorganizing inside playlist

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all,

I’m having trouble moving songs around inside a playlist.  I thought I use to 
be able to delete the song, then paste it in a different slot.  I’ve tried 
cutting and pasting with VO-comma and VO-period, but that isn’t working.  Nor 
is mouse down and move the song.  Any suggestions?

For now, I deleted the playlist and I’ll start over.  Being more careful where 
I’m placing the tracks.

Thanks,
Traci

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Re: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that isrunning iOS 10.x. Why not?

[Kevin Gibbs]

David,
I think I resisted iCloud as a sync option a while back but can't remember 
why.  Since I can't even use my keyboard when the phone is connected to 
iTunes, I don't know how I'd change my options right now if I wanted to.   

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RE: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that isrunning iOS 10.x. Why not?

[David Griffith]

My sympathies – I am personally resisting both the new iTunes and iOS 11. As an 
idea have you ever tried wireless synching.
I have this set up but I would need to research it to remember how I did it.
If you google Wireless synching between iPhone and iTunes   you might find 
something which may help.
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From: Kevin Gibbs
Sent: 24 October 2017 18:36
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Fwd: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that isrunning 
iOS 10.x. Why not?

> Guys,
> 
> Subject says it all.  Updated iTunes to latest version.  I know that apps and 
> music are now divorced.  Have not yet updated ipHone 7 to iOS 11, or mid 2010 
> Mac mini to from Sierra to High Sierra.  Want to avoid doing that for  a 
> while.  
> 
> Just added a few CDs to my iTunes library and wanted to add them to my phone 
> by syncing with cable.  Unfortunately, iTunes will not activate the sync 
> process the way it always did.  
> 
> In the past, I had issues that were solved by disconnecting my Skype USB 
> camera before attempting a cable sync or backup with iTunes.  This doesn’t 
> work now.  In fact, even my USB full QWERTY keyboard won’t work unless the 
> iPhone is disconnected.  As near as I can tell, the only imaginable reason 
> for this lack of operability must lie in the fact that iTunes 12x doesn’t 
> like iOS 10.  Will upgrading to iOS11 solve this problem?  More to the point, 
> will I also have to upgrade my mid 2010 Mac mini to High Sierra?  That’s 
> something I really am not interested in doing until I absolutely must.  If, 
> for some reason, this ancient box won’t tolerate High Sierra, I need to know 
> that, too.
> 
> Best,
> Kevin
> 

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Fwd: Can't transfer music from iTunes 12.7x to iPhone 7 that is running iOS 10.x. Why not?

[Kevin Gibbs]

> Guys,
> 
> Subject says it all.  Updated iTunes to latest version.  I know that apps and 
> music are now divorced.  Have not yet updated ipHone 7 to iOS 11, or mid 2010 
> Mac mini to from Sierra to High Sierra.  Want to avoid doing that for  a 
> while.  
> 
> Just added a few CDs to my iTunes library and wanted to add them to my phone 
> by syncing with cable.  Unfortunately, iTunes will not activate the sync 
> process the way it always did.  
> 
> In the past, I had issues that were solved by disconnecting my Skype USB 
> camera before attempting a cable sync or backup with iTunes.  This doesn’t 
> work now.  In fact, even my USB full QWERTY keyboard won’t work unless the 
> iPhone is disconnected.  As near as I can tell, the only imaginable reason 
> for this lack of operability must lie in the fact that iTunes 12x doesn’t 
> like iOS 10.  Will upgrading to iOS11 solve this problem?  More to the point, 
> will I also have to upgrade my mid 2010 Mac mini to High Sierra?  That’s 
> something I really am not interested in doing until I absolutely must.  If, 
> for some reason, this ancient box won’t tolerate High Sierra, I need to know 
> that, too.
> 
> Best,
> Kevin
> 

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Re: blocking phone numbers in ios

[E.T.]

Jean,
   The Block this Caller option is still present in iOS 10. Do this. 
After you open the More option, tap the Favorites tab at the bottom then 
swipe left once.


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On 10/24/2017 9:28 AM, jean parker wrote:

Hi Kaitlin:
That is the whole point. The block number option is gone and this is for all 
phone numbers.
Jean

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Re: Apps to help identify songs/lyrics.

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Jessica,
What I do when I'm on the praise teem drumming is just to ask the Teem leader 
for detailed song info and then they dig up the info and send it over so I can 
prepare properly.
Some one in leadership or on the teem definitely has the info you need so to 
save   time  ask them for it.
JMO
Chuck
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"Albert Einstein’



On Oct 24, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Jessica Moss wrote:

> Ok, I used to use soundhound/siri in order to do the vary thing mentioned in 
> the subject line; however, in the situation I’m currently in, neither are 
> cutting it at this point.  I’ve just received new choir material, which of 
> course has been modified for the ranges we’re supposed to sing; however, for 
> whatever reason, the CD I was given doesn’t have the tracks titled, and 
> scanning the printed material I was given with the words to these songs has 
> been a nightmare.
>  Most of these are all meddlies, and most of them, I can do about a million 
> google searches for, and have come up with nothing, so if anyone knows of an 
> alternative, I’d really appreciate whatever info you can give me, sense I 
> need to learn these in about 8 weeks for a production we’re about to put on 
> for Christmas.
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blocking phone numbers in ios

[jean parker]

Hi Kaitlin:
That is the whole point. The block number option is gone and this is for all 
phone numbers.
Jean

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Re: iOS 11.0.3 Reminders: Bugs, Bugs, Bugs!

[Vaughn Brown]

Hi,

I have not looked at the reminders app, but do notice other bugs. For
example, I am unable to delete my podcasts in the podcast app unless I
listen to it, and there are times when I don't want to listen to a
particular podcast! This release seems buggy in general.

Vaughn

On 10/24/17, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> One thing I noticed, but then again this could be due to the fact that I’ve
> never really used the reminders app before, that I can access the reminders
> themselves, but I can’t figure out how to delete any of them.  I don’t know
> if this is a bug, or if I’m missing something that I just need to be filled
> in on.
>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 1:04 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> I am a huge fan of the iOS 10.x Reminders app.  I don't know how I would
>> get
>> along without it, these days.  I use it for everything including grocery
>> lists, location-based notification, etc.
>>
>> I was just attempting to create and manage reminders on a friend's iPhone
>> 7
>> Plus with VoiceOver enabled.
>>
>> Wow!  What a disappointment.  With VoiceOver enabled, I was unable to
>> perform many of the basic functions integral to the Reminders app.  I
>> kept
>> having to disable VoiceOver in order to access various lists and, even to
>> edit the details of individual reminders.
>>
>> I do not recall seeing any on-list threads discussing all of the bugs in
>> the
>> iOS 11 Reminders app.  Were there any?
>>
>> Has anyone else experienced this?
>>
>> I can only hope that the developers have addressed these issues in iOS
>> 11.1;
>> otherwise, I am staying with iOS 10 until such time as they do.
>>
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Re: iOS 11.0.3 Reminders: Bugs, Bugs, Bugs!

[Jessica Moss]

One thing I noticed, but then again this could be due to the fact that I’ve 
never really used the reminders app before, that I can access the reminders 
themselves, but I can’t figure out how to delete any of them.  I don’t know if 
this is a bug, or if I’m missing something that I just need to be filled in on.
> On Oct 19, 2017, at 1:04 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I am a huge fan of the iOS 10.x Reminders app.  I don't know how I would get
> along without it, these days.  I use it for everything including grocery
> lists, location-based notification, etc.
> 
> I was just attempting to create and manage reminders on a friend's iPhone 7
> Plus with VoiceOver enabled.  
> 
> Wow!  What a disappointment.  With VoiceOver enabled, I was unable to
> perform many of the basic functions integral to the Reminders app.  I kept
> having to disable VoiceOver in order to access various lists and, even to
> edit the details of individual reminders.  
> 
> I do not recall seeing any on-list threads discussing all of the bugs in the
> iOS 11 Reminders app.  Were there any?
> 
> Has anyone else experienced this?  
> 
> I can only hope that the developers have addressed these issues in iOS 11.1;
> otherwise, I am staying with iOS 10 until such time as they do.
> 
> Mark
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Apps to help identify songs/lyrics.

[Jessica Moss]

Ok, I used to use soundhound/siri in order to do the vary thing mentioned in 
the subject line; however, in the situation I’m currently in, neither are 
cutting it at this point.  I’ve just received new choir material, which of 
course has been modified for the ranges we’re supposed to sing; however, for 
whatever reason, the CD I was given doesn’t have the tracks titled, and 
scanning the printed material I was given with the words to these songs has 
been a nightmare.
  Most of these are all meddlies, and most of them, I can do about a million 
google searches for, and have come up with nothing, so if anyone knows of an 
alternative, I’d really appreciate whatever info you can give me, sense I need 
to learn these in about 8 weeks for a production we’re about to put on for 
Christmas.

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Re: You Tube downloader?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Christa and Andrew,

thanks for your recommendations. Sounds both great.

All the best
Jürgen




> Am 24.10.2017 um 14:37 schrieb Andrew Lamanche :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I use a paid up called 
> WinX HD Video Converter for Mac.app 
> 
> It performs quite well once you copy the url of the video from youtube which 
> can easily be done from the address bar of the page.  It has some unlabelled 
> buttons but others have got help tags if you just let voiceover cursor rest 
> on it for a few seconds.
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 1:04 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> up to now I used You View as a You Tube downloader. Unfortunately it doesn’t 
>> support High Sierra and the developer seems not to release a new version 
>> soon. 
>> Which downloader do you recommend? I’d love to have an app rather than a web 
>> page. But a web page would be fine as well.
>> 
>> Thanks and all the best
>> Jürgen
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Re: Conversation threads in messages app on the mac and iPhone after latest updates

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Andrew,

I am not seeing this on my iPhone 6S running the latest iOS release of iOS 11.  
It sounds like the Messages app is not properly coordinating with the Contacts 
app.  I would go into your iCloud settings and verify that Contacts is enabled 
and also verify that some of these specific contacts are displaying properly in 
the Contacts app.  If things look normal when checking these items, first thing 
to always do is restart your iPhone.  If you've done that already, or if 
nothing improves, try turning off Contacts in iCloud then turning it back on.  
I've found that the best thing to do when turning it off, is to turn it off, 
then back out of Settings, then re-open Settings and the iCloud pane and to 
finally re-enable syncing of your contacts.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 24, 2017, at 03:19, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Just want to confirm from other users whether they are seeing this strange 
behaviour: in Messages app on the mac and on the iPhone, previously 
conversations were threaded by the name of the sender obtained from contacts.  
After I’ve updated to High Sierra and to iOS 11, conversations are not always 
threaded at all and the sender name is missing, replaced by their phone number. 
 This is a bit of a nuisance.  I’ve searched for a setting to adjust but I 
can’t find it.  Might it be a bug?  The strange thing is that if I compose a 
message first and choose a particular contact from Contacts, then the message 
appears with the name of the person I have sent to but if they reply to my 
message, their reply is not a part of the thread but appears separately and it 
is their telephone number that appears in the list of messages so you can’t 
tell who the message is from unless you read it.

I’m also having trouble deleting messages.  When I choose to delete a message 
via the action menu, Messages app still reports this message.  Nor does the 
status of the message changes when I’ve read it.  Is this something you are 
noticing as well?

Andrew

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Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Caitlyn Furness]

can you point me toward how to do this?  You can mail me off list at 
caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com since this is a mac list..

Thanks!
Caitlyn


> On Oct 24, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
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> There was an issue a while back with the creators update and Bootcamp, but as 
> far as I am aware, this has been fixed, as I and a couple of friends have 
> successfully installed it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
>> 
>> Microsoft, for some reason, doesn’t advise doing that when you go to 
>> download the ISO file. Any particular reason for that?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually,  with the Windows 10 Creators update, one can now install Windows 
>>> with Bootcamp completely independently and will have speech during the 
>>> Windows setup screens. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
 wrote:
 
 speaking of this, can you use that talking windows installer with boot 
 camp?
 
 Cait
 
 
> On Oct 24, 2017, at 4:17 AM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> h,
> thanks a lot.
> Certainly some things to consider.
> can you set up the installer so i don't have to interact during the 
> silent portion of the setup? will the sound come back when it is 
> installed?
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Good points 
>> 
>> Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it 
>> via the installation.
>> 
>> Bad points,
>> You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's 
>> not a vm running windows within the mac OS system .
>> 
>> As for installer of boot camp,
>> Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts 
>> the machine into the windows installation setup..
>> 
>> The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long 
>> as you have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb 
>> it will download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and 
>> install it all from the USB once things are up and working.
>> 
>> Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  
>> there is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device 
>> installed or working within the windows partition.
>> 
>> Still it's my preferred option.
>> 
>> SF-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>> Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
>> 
>> hey all,
>> Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some 
>> relationship difficulties and i was wondering if there are any 
>> advantages to using bootcamp?
>> I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
>> i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but 
>> with the latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from 
>> windows.
>> The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp 
>> have a similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your 
>> chosen parameters and sit back?
>> any help would be great.
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Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Mike Arrigo]

The main advantage to boot camp is that all of the computer's resources 
are dedicated to Windows, so it will run a bit faster. You have already 
pointed out the largest disadvantages.

Original message:

hey all,
Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some 
relationship difficulties and i was wondering if there are any 
advantages to using bootcamp?

I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but 
with the latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from windows.
The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp 
have a similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your 
chosen parameters and sit back?

any help would be great.



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Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Aleeha Dudley]

There was an issue a while back with the creators update and Bootcamp, but as 
far as I am aware, this has been fixed, as I and a couple of friends have 
successfully installed it. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 24, 2017, at 8:30 AM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> Microsoft, for some reason, doesn’t advise doing that when you go to download 
> the ISO file. Any particular reason for that?
> 
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Aleeha Dudley  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually,  with the Windows 10 Creators update, one can now install Windows 
>> with Bootcamp completely independently and will have speech during the 
>> Windows setup screens. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> speaking of this, can you use that talking windows installer with boot camp?
>>> 
>>> Cait
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2017, at 4:17 AM, Michael Marshall  
 wrote:
 
 h,
 thanks a lot.
 Certainly some things to consider.
 can you set up the installer so i don't have to interact during the silent 
 portion of the setup? will the sound come back when it is installed?
 
> On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Good points 
> 
> Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it 
> via the installation.
> 
> Bad points,
> You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's 
> not a vm running windows within the mac OS system .
> 
> As for installer of boot camp,
> Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts 
> the machine into the windows installation setup..
> 
> The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long 
> as you have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb 
> it will download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and 
> install it all from the USB once things are up and working.
> 
> Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  
> there is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device 
> installed or working within the windows partition.
> 
> Still it's my preferred option.
> 
> SF-Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
> 
> hey all,
> Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
> difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using 
> bootcamp?
> I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
> i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but 
> with the latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from 
> windows.
> The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have 
> a similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
> parameters and sit back?
> any help would be great.
> 
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Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Joshua Tubbs]

Microsoft, for some reason, doesn’t advise doing that when you go to download 
the ISO file. Any particular reason for that?


> On Oct 24, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
> Actually,  with the Windows 10 Creators update, one can now install Windows 
> with Bootcamp completely independently and will have speech during the 
> Windows setup screens. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> speaking of this, can you use that talking windows installer with boot camp?
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 4:17 AM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> h,
>>> thanks a lot.
>>> Certainly some things to consider.
>>> can you set up the installer so i don't have to interact during the silent 
>>> portion of the setup? will the sound come back when it is installed?
>>> 
 On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Good points 
 
 Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it via 
 the installation.
 
 Bad points,
 You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's 
 not a vm running windows within the mac OS system .
 
 As for installer of boot camp,
 Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts 
 the machine into the windows installation setup..
 
 The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long as 
 you have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb it 
 will download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and install 
 it all from the USB once things are up and working.
 
 Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  
 there is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device 
 installed or working within the windows partition.
 
 Still it's my preferred option.
 
 SF-Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
 Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
 To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
 Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
 
 hey all,
 Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
 difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using 
 bootcamp?
 I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
 i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but 
 with the latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from 
 windows.
 The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have 
 a similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
 parameters and sit back?
 any help would be great.
 
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Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Aleeha Dudley]

Actually,  with the Windows 10 Creators update, one can now install Windows 
with Bootcamp completely independently and will have speech during the Windows 
setup screens. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 24, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> speaking of this, can you use that talking windows installer with boot camp?
> 
> Cait
> 
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 4:17 AM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> h,
>> thanks a lot.
>> Certainly some things to consider.
>> can you set up the installer so i don't have to interact during the silent 
>> portion of the setup? will the sound come back when it is installed?
>> 
>>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good points 
>>> 
>>> Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it via 
>>> the installation.
>>> 
>>> Bad points,
>>> You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's 
>>> not a vm running windows within the mac OS system .
>>> 
>>> As for installer of boot camp,
>>> Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts 
>>> the machine into the windows installation setup..
>>> 
>>> The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long as 
>>> you have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb it 
>>> will download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and install 
>>> it all from the USB once things are up and working.
>>> 
>>> Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  
>>> there is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device 
>>> installed or working within the windows partition.
>>> 
>>> Still it's my preferred option.
>>> 
>>> SF-Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
>>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
>>> 
>>> hey all,
>>> Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
>>> difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using 
>>> bootcamp?
>>> I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
>>> i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but with 
>>> the latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from windows.
>>> The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have a 
>>> similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
>>> parameters and sit back?
>>> any help would be great.
>>> 
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Re: You Tube downloader?

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

I use a paid up called 
WinX HD Video Converter for Mac.app 

It performs quite well once you copy the url of the video from youtube which 
can easily be done from the address bar of the page.  It has some unlabelled 
buttons but others have got help tags if you just let voiceover cursor rest on 
it for a few seconds.

Andrew

> On Oct 24, 2017, at 1:04 PM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> up to now I used You View as a You Tube downloader. Unfortunately it doesn’t 
> support High Sierra and the developer seems not to release a new version 
> soon. 
> Which downloader do you recommend? I’d love to have an app rather than a web 
> page. But a web page would be fine as well.
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Re: You Tube downloader?

[Krister Ekstrom]

I use Downie from Charly Monrow software. I like it a lot.
Google and you shall find.
/Krister


> 24 okt. 2017 kl. 14:04 skrev Jürgen Fleger :
> 
> Hello,
> 
> up to now I used You View as a You Tube downloader. Unfortunately it doesn’t 
> support High Sierra and the developer seems not to release a new version 
> soon. 
> Which downloader do you recommend? I’d love to have an app rather than a web 
> page. But a web page would be fine as well.
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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You Tube downloader?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hello,

up to now I used You View as a You Tube downloader. Unfortunately it doesn’t 
support High Sierra and the developer seems not to release a new version soon. 
Which downloader do you recommend? I’d love to have an app rather than a web 
page. But a web page would be fine as well.

Thanks and all the best
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Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Caitlyn Furness]

speaking of this, can you use that talking windows installer with boot camp?

Cait


> On Oct 24, 2017, at 4:17 AM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> h,
> thanks a lot.
> Certainly some things to consider.
> can you set up the installer so i don't have to interact during the silent 
> portion of the setup? will the sound come back when it is installed?
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Good points 
>> 
>> Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it via 
>> the installation.
>> 
>> Bad points,
>> You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's not 
>> a vm running windows within the mac OS system .
>> 
>> As for installer of boot camp,
>> Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts the 
>> machine into the windows installation setup..
>> 
>> The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long as 
>> you have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb it 
>> will download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and install 
>> it all from the USB once things are up and working.
>> 
>> Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  there 
>> is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device installed 
>> or working within the windows partition.
>> 
>> Still it's my preferred option.
>> 
>> SF-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>> Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
>> 
>> hey all,
>> Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
>> difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using 
>> bootcamp?
>> I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
>> i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but with 
>> the latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from windows.
>> The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have a 
>> similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
>> parameters and sit back?
>> any help would be great.
>> 
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Conversation threads in messages app on the mac and iPhone after latest updates

[Andrew Lamanche]

Just want to confirm from other users whether they are seeing this strange 
behaviour: in Messages app on the mac and on the iPhone, previously 
conversations were threaded by the name of the sender obtained from contacts.  
After I’ve updated to High Sierra and to iOS 11, conversations are not always 
threaded at all and the sender name is missing, replaced by their phone number. 
 This is a bit of a nuisance.  I’ve searched for a setting to adjust but I 
can’t find it.  Might it be a bug?  The strange thing is that if I compose a 
message first and choose a particular contact from Contacts, then the message 
appears with the name of the person I have sent to but if they reply to my 
message, their reply is not a part of the thread but appears separately and it 
is their telephone number that appears in the list of messages so you can’t 
tell who the message is from unless you read it.

I’m also having trouble deleting messages.  When I choose to delete a message 
via the action menu, Messages app still reports this message.  Nor does the 
status of the message changes when I’ve read it.  Is this something you are 
noticing as well?

Andrew

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Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Michael Marshall]

thanks for that info.
i just wonder how i will know when to press the finish button.

> On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:26 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah as the installer goes through and installs windows the final part of the 
> installation is the installation of the Bootcamp / apple drivers for the 
> windows installation.
> 
> Once this is done and the finished button is complete the machine restarts 
> and you can then start up narrator to do other things such as install jaws or 
> NVDA etc.
> 
> I've not been able to setup an installer that didn't need human interaction 
> but I'm guessing tha tit could be done 
> But I've always had sighted assistance.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 9:18 PM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
> 
> h,
> thanks a lot.
> Certainly some things to consider.
> can you set up the installer so i don't have to interact during the silent 
> portion of the setup? will the sound come back when it is installed?
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Good points 
>> 
>> Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it via 
>> the installation.
>> 
>> Bad points,
>> You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's not 
>> a vm running windows within the mac OS system .
>> 
>> As for installer of boot camp,
>> Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts the 
>> machine into the windows installation setup..
>> 
>> The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long as 
>> you have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb it 
>> will download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and install 
>> it all from the USB once things are up and working.
>> 
>> Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  there 
>> is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device installed 
>> or working within the windows partition.
>> 
>> Still it's my preferred option.
>> 
>> SF-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
>> Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
>> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
>> 
>> hey all,
>> Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
>> difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using 
>> bootcamp?
>> I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
>> i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but with 
>> the latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from windows.
>> The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have a 
>> similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
>> parameters and sit back?
>> any help would be great.
>> 
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RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah as the installer goes through and installs windows the final part of the 
installation is the installation of the Bootcamp / apple drivers for the 
windows installation.

 Once this is done and the finished button is complete the machine restarts and 
you can then start up narrator to do other things such as install jaws or NVDA 
etc.

I've not been able to setup an installer that didn't need human interaction but 
I'm guessing tha tit could be done 
But I've always had sighted assistance.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 9:18 PM
To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

h,
thanks a lot.
Certainly some things to consider.
can you set up the installer so i don't have to interact during the silent 
portion of the setup? will the sound come back when it is installed?

> On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Good points 
> 
> Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it via 
> the installation.
> 
> Bad points,
> You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's not 
> a vm running windows within the mac OS system .
> 
> As for installer of boot camp,
> Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts the 
> machine into the windows installation setup..
> 
> The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long as 
> you have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb it will 
> download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and install it all 
> from the USB once things are up and working.
> 
> Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  there 
> is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device installed or 
> working within the windows partition.
> 
> Still it's my preferred option.
> 
> SF-Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
> 
> hey all,
> Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
> difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using 
> bootcamp?
> I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
> i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but with 
> the latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from windows.
> The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have a 
> similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
> parameters and sit back?
> any help would be great.
> 
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Re: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Michael Marshall]

h,
thanks a lot.
Certainly some things to consider.
can you set up the installer so i don't have to interact during the silent 
portion of the setup? will the sound come back when it is installed?

> On 24 Oct 2017, at 7:12 pm, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Good points 
> 
> Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it via 
> the installation.
> 
> Bad points,
> You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's not 
> a vm running windows within the mac OS system .
> 
> As for installer of boot camp,
> Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts the 
> machine into the windows installation setup..
> 
> The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long as 
> you have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb it will 
> download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and install it all 
> from the USB once things are up and working.
> 
> Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  there 
> is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device installed or 
> working within the windows partition.
> 
> Still it's my preferred option.
> 
> SF-Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
> To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?
> 
> hey all,
> Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
> difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using 
> bootcamp?
> I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
> i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but with 
> the latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from windows.
> The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have a 
> similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
> parameters and sit back?
> any help would be great.
> 
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RE: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Simon Fogarty]

Good points 

Windows is always there and uses full system resources available to it via the 
installation.

Bad points,
You can't flick between the 2 operating systems at the same time as it's not a 
vm running windows within the mac OS system .

 As for installer of boot camp,
 Yeah it works great up to the point where the mac os / bootcamp restarts the 
machine into the windows installation setup..

The bootcamp installation process works well with voiceover and so long as you 
have the windows installers in an ISO file and a minimum 16GB usb it will 
download the apple drivers and windows installation setup and install it all 
from the USB once things are up and working.

 Bad point is that once the mac restarts into the windows installation  there 
is no screen reader available to you as there is no audio device installed or 
working within the windows partition.

 Still it's my preferred option.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Michael Marshall
Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 8:41 PM
To: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

hey all,
Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using bootcamp?
I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but with the 
latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from windows.
The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have a 
similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
parameters and sit back?
any help would be great.

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Any advantages to using bootcamp over Fusion for windows?

[Michael Marshall]

hey all,
Fusion the new version 10 and i are having shall we say some relationship 
difficulties and i was wondering if there are any advantages to using bootcamp?
I can see a couple of disadvantages but would be happy to be corrected.
i will not be able to seamlessly switch from the mac OS to windows but with the 
latest version of Fusion the keyboard is not disengaging from windows.
The second problem I see is with Windows installation, does bootcamp have a 
similar feature to fusion's easy install where you put in your chosen 
parameters and sit back?
any help would be great.

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Re: Latency when browsing large web pages with High Sierra and VoiceOver?

[Jürgen Fleger]

Just tried it, no latency here on this web side on my iMac 2014 with Safari 11 
in High Sierra. I even holt down the VO keys and the right arrow key which 
actually makes no sense but even then no latency.
Jürgen


> Am 24.10.2017 um 07:13 schrieb Vic  >:
> 
> Hmmm, viewing this thread in Google Groups on the web, 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/macvisionaries/7n5jMosoJE4 
> 
> produces a pretty significant lag for me when VO+arrowing quickly through the 
> page.
> How about you? :)
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, October 23, 2017 at 11:06:11 AM UTC-7, anders wrote:
> Hi!
> Not having this issue so far.
> Have you cleaned out cache and such things for a while?
> You can do this with an app called onyx.
> /A
> 
>> 23 okt. 2017 kl. 08:01 skrev Vic :
>> 
>> Hi.
>> Am I dreaming this up or there is actually a significant delay when moving 
>> through large web pages with VO nav keys, CTRL+OPTION+arrows?
>> I am noticing that, if the page is simple, VoiceOver seems to be behaving 
>> quite well. However, as soon as the page gets large or has more dynamic 
>> content, VoiceOver gets very very slow.
>> 
>> What do others notice?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> Victor
>> 
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RE: 5 reasons to use Edge in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update - CNET

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for this,
Interesting read again,

Edge is a new thing for Jaws users as they have only just managed to get jaws 
18 working with it, Jaws 2018  is meant to have even better accessibility 
features in edge,

 Personaly I'l stay using IE till they kill it.

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Subject: 5 reasons to use Edge in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update - CNET

Hello Everyone,

I am posting this because Apple compatibility is mentioned in the article.

Mark  

5 reasons to use Edge in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update - CNET

CNET How To - Saturday, October 21, 2017 at 11:05 AM
5 reasons to use Edge in Windows 10 Fall Creators Update - CNET With Windows 10 
Fall Creators Update, Microsoft has added a handful of new features and tweaks 
to its Edge browser. I doubt they will be enough to pry you away from your 
browser of choice, but the Edge browser continues to trend in the right 
direction. Here are the five big improvements Microsoft has made to Edge with 
its most recent Windows update. 
Pin pages to the taskbar
Not seen since Windows 8, you can once again pin websites to the taskbar. To do 
so, click the triple-dot button along the Edge window's right edge and choose 
Pin this page to the taskbar. 
 
You can put your favorite websites on your taskbar for fast access. 
Screenshot by Matt Elliott/CNET
True full-screen mode
Edge finally has a true, full-screen mode where you lose the browser's menus 
and tabs at the top. Hit F11 to toggle in and out of full-screen mode or click 
the triple-dot button and then click the diagonal double-arrow button to the 
right of the zoom controls. 
Better integration with your phone

Edge promises to let you start an article on your phone and then pick it where 
you left off on your PC, but you'll need to use a preview version of Edge for 
iOS or Android or the Cortana app for iOS or Android to try it out.
And you'll need to connect your phone to your PC in the new Phone section of 
the Settings app, which you'll find on the main page of Settings. I tried it 
out by installing the Cortana app on my iPhone ($849.00 at Apple). I opened a 
news article and tapped the blue button to continue reading on my PC. It worked 
seamlessly; as soon as I tapped the button on my phone, a new tab opened on 
Edge on my PC. 
 
Heading home? Send the article you are reading on your phone to your PC.
Screenshot by Matt Elliott/CNET
Better bookmarking
Click the star button in Edge (or hit Control-D) and you'll see Edge's bookmark 
menu got a design refresh and better illustrates the folder hierarchy for your 
favorites, making it quicker and easier to find a folder to plop a new 
favorite. And on the Favorites hub itself, you'll find two new items on the 
right-click menu -- Sort by name and Edit URL. The former lets you arrange a 
list of favorites alphabetically and the latter lets you quickly edit a 
favorite's URL. 
Better PDF and eBook reader
Microsoft added a few tools to make Edge more capable with PDFs and eBooks for 
touchscren PCs. With PDFs, you can now click the Add Notes button to the right 
of the URL bar to ink on the PDF, from signing your name and highlighting lines 
to adding comments and copying text. It's particularly useful for signing 
documents -- no longer will you need to add a weird electronic signature or, 
worse, print, sign and scan a PDF in order to send back a signed copy. 
 
You can add highlights and notes to eBooks as well as PDF files.
Screenshot by Matt Elliott/CNET
For eBooks, students (and habitual notetakers) will rejoice at being able to 
mark up eBooks as you read them. Just highlight some text and a small menu will 
appear that lets you highlight the text, underline it, add a comment, copy it 
or open a Cortana panel along the Edge window's right edge without leaving the 
page you are on. 
Read more: The 10 best new features of Windows 10 Fall Creators Update 
 
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RE: remotely controlling another Mac

[Simon Fogarty]

Work station to work station vo wont work through the connection, if you have a 
server in the middle and remote desktop enabled then yes vo will work, 
otherwise you could try a remote connection and run VO on your friends computer 
while listening via a telephone  but again not a great means to a taks.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kristeen Hughes
Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 9:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: remotely controlling another Mac

A friend of mine just purchased a new iMac. He would like me to help him set it 
up and configure it, and I am happy to do that. I was wondering, however, if 
there was a way for me to connect to his Mac at all The Way one JAWS user could 
connect with another JAWS user using tandem mode in the PC world.

Thank you for any information you can provide. 

kristeen

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