Re: My download is extremely slow, but my ADSL Is not so

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi tim:

Sorry but am comming from a poor country. our land lines can not carry more 
than this.
soory my friend.

and Thanks for you suggestions. Much Appreciated.

> On Jun 13, 2018, at 12:20 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Actually, 10 MB is rather slow.  Go to fast.com  on the web 
> and see how fast it believes your download speed is.  You may also wish to 
> try www.speedtest.net .  Just as a reference, I 
> tend to get anywhere between 120 and 150 MB/s at home for download with about 
> 15 MB/s upload.  At work, I usually get 200 to 300 download and 200 to 300 
> upload.  So, 10 MB/s is extremely slow in my world.  Also, it should be noted 
> that the device that is at the other end also affects your download speed.  
> So, if you have 10 MB/s download and the device your downloading from has 100 
> MB/s upload, if they have multiple people downloading at the same time, this 
> bandwidth is divided up between all the downloaders.  Theres a lot of factors 
> that can make it so that you don't get your optimum download speed.  There's 
> really nothing you need to do to your settings that can affect this.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 12, 2018, at 15:09, Ramy Moustafa  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> I have 10 MB as my Internet speed, but my mac mini download always so slow.
> am using my  Iphone, windows laptop etc. and i was having better results, but 
> now, anything i’m downloading on my mac is very very slow.
> am using Safari to do so.
> am asking if there is a way to see if something can cause this thing?or what 
> i can do to make my download runs faster?
> and, i do not want any kind of apps to accelerate my download, i need only 
> the default speed which is assumed to be faster than this.
> Thanks in advance 
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I want a mac!

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Aarg!

Finally have the pennies saved to replace my 2010 macbook pro, and we get
nothing at WWDC! 

So disapppointing.

Trying to decide if I should buy or wait.

 

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Re: My download is extremely slow, but my ADSL Is not so

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Actually, 10 MB is rather slow.  Go to fast.com on the web and see how fast it 
believes your download speed is.  You may also wish to try www.speedtest.net.  
Just as a reference, I tend to get anywhere between 120 and 150 MB/s at home 
for download with about 15 MB/s upload.  At work, I usually get 200 to 300 
download and 200 to 300 upload.  So, 10 MB/s is extremely slow in my world.  
Also, it should be noted that the device that is at the other end also affects 
your download speed.  So, if you have 10 MB/s download and the device your 
downloading from has 100 MB/s upload, if they have multiple people downloading 
at the same time, this bandwidth is divided up between all the downloaders.  
Theres a lot of factors that can make it so that you don't get your optimum 
download speed.  There's really nothing you need to do to your settings that 
can affect this.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2018, at 15:09, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:

Hi all:

I have 10 MB as my Internet speed, but my mac mini download always so slow.
am using my  Iphone, windows laptop etc. and i was having better results, but 
now, anything i’m downloading on my mac is very very slow.
am using Safari to do so.
am asking if there is a way to see if something can cause this thing?or what i 
can do to make my download runs faster?
and, i do not want any kind of apps to accelerate my download, i need only the 
default speed which is assumed to be faster than this.
Thanks in advance 

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RE: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

It’s happening under both Chrome and Safari for me – Macbook Pro (late 2013 
model), 8GB RAM, running High Siera.

 

I’ve reported it to Apple and to Google. I would suggest that others do 
likewise. With sufficient reports, Apple should be able to find the common 
factors and discover the cause, if they aren’t aware of it already.

 

For me, it’s a major performance problem on the Mac.

 

Interestingly, a colleague with a more recent MacBook Pro was unable to 
reproduce the issue.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 4:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my 
web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

 

Hi Jonathan,

 

Its happening in safari also and sometimes the desk top!

Mac  mini 16 gig ram El capitan.

It just happens more in pro tools though.

Talk soon

Chuck

 

On Jun 12, 2018, at 2:59 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:





AH Chuck, but I believe AVID is not a web browser so that is a different issue. 

 

On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:27 AM, CHUCK REICHEL mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I and several other Avid Pro Tools beta testers are getting the dreaded "SWOD" 
spinning wheel of death "busy" issue.

We've got it down to the Video card in the mac mini and any other "slower" 
video card macs use.

I'm believing for a mac pro or Imac pro to circumnavigate this very annoying 
issue.

I find it rears its ugly "busy" head most when I set a bunch of hotspots in Pro 
Tools then close that window then the SWOD starts and I go through all your 
steps Tim to calm it down.

Not a very nice thing  when doing a mix session with a client sitting next to 
me! :(

 

Talk soon

Chuck

"God does not play dice with the universe"

"Albert Einstein’

 

On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:





Hi,

 

Hmmm.  I don't experience that sort of thing.  I do have 16 GB of RAM with a 
3.1 GHz processor though, so I would reaffirm that if you're only running with 
4 GB of RAM with a MacBook Air, you're going to experience this more often.

 

Later...

 

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher

(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)

Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 

On Jun 12, 2018, at 07:53, Christine Grassman mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Yes, I used to have luck with these suggestions most of the time, but it 
happens persistently now, no matter what the site, and with chrome as well. It 
says busy, and/or freezes until I move to another application, and not until 
the computer seems to “hiccup” and say “VoiceOver on” can I attempt doing 
something with the browser again, which usually pulls the same thing over and 
over until I give up.

 





On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn mailto:kilbu...@me.com> > wrote:

 

Hi,

 

This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a few 
seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other times, I 
toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other times, I press 
tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just continues to buffer 
but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, it kind of depends on the 
amount of memory and processing power that your Mac has along with how good the 
web-site coding is.

 

Later...

 

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher

(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)

Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 

On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss mailto:junglebookfa...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this same 
issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today when I was 
trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, had verry 
little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form filled out for 
renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what seems like forever 
and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled to help.



On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something significant. 
Christine

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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Jessica Moss]

Can that be reported as an accessibility issue?
> On Jun 12, 2018, at 12:00 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It's usually a VO thing.  The sighted user doesn't get the entire page 
> buffered into the speech synthesizer so the loading process is somewhat 
> different.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 11, 2018, at 20:29, Arnold Schmidt  > wrote:
> 
> I have  always been curious: Is this strictly a VoiceOver issue, or would a 
> sighted person also have problems using Safari on these sights? 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
> 
> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a few 
> seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other times, I 
> toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other times, I press 
> tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just continues to buffer 
> but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, it kind of depends on 
> the amount of memory and processing power that your Mac has along with how 
> good the web-site coding is.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss  > wrote:
> 
> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this same 
> issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today when I 
> was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, had 
> verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form filled 
> out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what seems like 
> forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled to help.
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman > > wrote:
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>> Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
>> significant. 
>> Christine
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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Christine Grassman]

No, I haven’t. I’m clueless; I am one of those who is terrified of screwing up 
something if I do not know absolutely everything about what I am doing. I’ll 
look into it, though; this is becoming exceedingly disruptive.


> On Jun 12, 2018, at 2:37 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> HI!
> Have you used any cleaning utilities to clear out cache and history data and 
> such?
> That might help.
> /A
> 
>> 12 juni 2018 kl. 15:53 skrev Christine Grassman > >:
>> 
>> Yes, I used to have luck with these suggestions most of the time, but it 
>> happens persistently now, no matter what the site, and with chrome as well. 
>> It says busy, and/or freezes until I move to another application, and not 
>> until the computer seems to “hiccup” and say “VoiceOver on” can I attempt 
>> doing something with the browser again, which usually pulls the same thing 
>> over and over until I give up.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
>>> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a 
>>> few seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other 
>>> times, I toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other 
>>> times, I press tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just 
>>> continues to buffer but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, 
>>> it kind of depends on the amount of memory and processing power that your 
>>> Mac has along with how good the web-site coding is.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
>>> same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
>>> when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, 
>>> had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form 
>>> filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what 
>>> seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled 
>>> to help.
 On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman >>> > wrote:
 
 Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
 significant. 
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My download is extremely slow, but my ADSL Is not so

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all:

I have 10 MB as my Internet speed, but my mac mini download always so slow.
am using my  Iphone, windows laptop etc. and i was having better results, but 
now, anything i’m downloading on my mac is very very slow.
am using Safari to do so.
am asking if there is a way to see if something can cause this thing?or what i 
can do to make my download runs faster?
and, i do not want any kind of apps to accelerate my download, i need only the 
default speed which is assumed to be faster than this.
Thanks in advance 

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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Eric Oyen]

I see this on a lot of websites on my high Sierra system here (Mac mini with 8 
GB ram). It happens in chrome, safari and even Firefox. I have even tried 
comparison runs on my windows machine concurrent (windows 7 using jaws) and it 
seems that the website coding is a bit more Microsoft centric (sites appear to 
load faster and neither jaws or NVDA seem to have the same issues).

And yes, 1 of the biggest issues always has to deal with Javascript.

-Eric


> On Jun 12, 2018, at 1:04 PM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan,
> 
> Its happening in safari also and sometimes the desk top!
> Mac  mini 16 gig ram El capitan.
> It just happens more in pro tools though.
> Talk soon
> Chuck
> 
> On Jun 12, 2018, at 2:59 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> 
>> AH Chuck, but I believe AVID is not a web browser so that is a different 
>> issue.
>> 
>>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:27 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>> mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Tim,
>>> I and several other Avid Pro Tools beta testers are getting the dreaded 
>>> "SWOD" spinning wheel of death "busy" issue.
>>> We've got it down to the Video card in the mac mini and any other "slower" 
>>> video card macs use.
>>> I'm believing for a mac pro or Imac pro to circumnavigate this very 
>>> annoying issue.
>>> I find it rears its ugly "busy" head most when I set a bunch of hotspots in 
>>> Pro Tools then close that window then the SWOD starts and I go through all 
>>> your steps Tim to calm it down.
>>> Not a very nice thing  when doing a mix session with a client sitting next 
>>> to me! :(
>>> 
>>> Talk soon
>>> Chuck
>>> "God does not play dice with the universe"
>>> "Albert Einstein’
>>> 
>>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Hmmm.  I don't experience that sort of thing.  I do have 16 GB of RAM with 
 a 3.1 GHz processor though, so I would reaffirm that if you're only 
 running with 4 GB of RAM with a MacBook Air, you're going to experience 
 this more often.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 12, 2018, at 07:53, Christine Grassman >>> > wrote:
 
 Yes, I used to have luck with these suggestions most of the time, but it 
 happens persistently now, no matter what the site, and with chrome as 
 well. It says busy, and/or freezes until I move to another application, 
 and not until the computer seems to “hiccup” and say “VoiceOver on” can I 
 attempt doing something with the browser again, which usually pulls the 
 same thing over and over until I give up.
 
 
> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and 
> complicated coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do 
> something for a few seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are 
> better.  Other times, I toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it 
> back on.  Other times, I press tab to start bringing focus into the web 
> area and it just continues to buffer but I can still get places in the 
> web area.  Overall, it kind of depends on the amount of memory and 
> processing power that your Mac has along with how good the web-site 
> coding is.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss  > wrote:
> 
> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
> same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
> when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only 
> dispise, had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s 
> medicaid form filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, 
> which takes what seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re 
> less than thrilled to help.
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman > > wrote:
>> 
>> Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
>> significant.
>> Christine
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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Jonathan,

Its happening in safari also and sometimes the desk top!
Mac  mini 16 gig ram El capitan.
It just happens more in pro tools though.
Talk soon
Chuck

On Jun 12, 2018, at 2:59 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

> AH Chuck, but I believe AVID is not a web browser so that is a different 
> issue. 
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:27 AM, CHUCK REICHEL 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Tim,
>> I and several other Avid Pro Tools beta testers are getting the dreaded 
>> "SWOD" spinning wheel of death "busy" issue.
>> We've got it down to the Video card in the mac mini and any other "slower" 
>> video card macs use.
>> I'm believing for a mac pro or Imac pro to circumnavigate this very annoying 
>> issue.
>> I find it rears its ugly "busy" head most when I set a bunch of hotspots in 
>> Pro Tools then close that window then the SWOD starts and I go through all 
>> your steps Tim to calm it down.
>> Not a very nice thing  when doing a mix session with a client sitting next 
>> to me! :(
>> 
>> Talk soon
>> Chuck
>> "God does not play dice with the universe"
>> "Albert Einstein’
>> 
>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Hmmm.  I don't experience that sort of thing.  I do have 16 GB of RAM with 
>>> a 3.1 GHz processor though, so I would reaffirm that if you're only running 
>>> with 4 GB of RAM with a MacBook Air, you're going to experience this more 
>>> often.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 07:53, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, I used to have luck with these suggestions most of the time, but it 
>>> happens persistently now, no matter what the site, and with chrome as well. 
>>> It says busy, and/or freezes until I move to another application, and not 
>>> until the computer seems to “hiccup” and say “VoiceOver on” can I attempt 
>>> doing something with the browser again, which usually pulls the same thing 
>>> over and over until I give up.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
 coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a 
 few seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other 
 times, I toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other 
 times, I press tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just 
 continues to buffer but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, 
 it kind of depends on the amount of memory and processing power that your 
 Mac has along with how good the web-site coding is.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss  wrote:
 
 I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
 same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
 when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only 
 dispise, had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s 
 medicaid form filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, 
 which takes what seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re 
 less than thrilled to help.
> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
> Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
> significant. 
> Christine
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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Jonathan Cohn]

AH Chuck, but I believe AVID is not a web browser so that is a different issue. 

> On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:27 AM, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> I and several other Avid Pro Tools beta testers are getting the dreaded 
> "SWOD" spinning wheel of death "busy" issue.
> We've got it down to the Video card in the mac mini and any other "slower" 
> video card macs use.
> I'm believing for a mac pro or Imac pro to circumnavigate this very annoying 
> issue.
> I find it rears its ugly "busy" head most when I set a bunch of hotspots in 
> Pro Tools then close that window then the SWOD starts and I go through all 
> your steps Tim to calm it down.
> Not a very nice thing  when doing a mix session with a client sitting next to 
> me! :(
> 
> Talk soon
> Chuck
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
> 
> On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Hmmm.  I don't experience that sort of thing.  I do have 16 GB of RAM with a 
>> 3.1 GHz processor though, so I would reaffirm that if you're only running 
>> with 4 GB of RAM with a MacBook Air, you're going to experience this more 
>> often.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 07:53, Christine Grassman > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I used to have luck with these suggestions most of the time, but it 
>> happens persistently now, no matter what the site, and with chrome as well. 
>> It says busy, and/or freezes until I move to another application, and not 
>> until the computer seems to “hiccup” and say “VoiceOver on” can I attempt 
>> doing something with the browser again, which usually pulls the same thing 
>> over and over until I give up.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
>>> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a 
>>> few seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other 
>>> times, I toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other 
>>> times, I press tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just 
>>> continues to buffer but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, 
>>> it kind of depends on the amount of memory and processing power that your 
>>> Mac has along with how good the web-site coding is.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
>>> same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
>>> when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, 
>>> had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form 
>>> filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what 
>>> seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled 
>>> to help.
 On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman >>> > wrote:
 
 Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
 significant. 
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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Are people experiencing this issue running under High Sierra? I can 
consistently get my El Capitan system to go into busy state from the link list 
menu, but my HS system generally works except for sites that like to move 
content around the screen constantly. One other possibility is to bring up the 
developer menu and try turning off JavaScript some web sites will gracefully 
downgrade to a more client server functionality when there is no JS others will 
not load at all. But you should not have issues with JavaScript tools changing 
the DOM out from under VoiceOVer causing VoiceOver to ask the browser where am 
I again and again?

I believe that the Sierra based VO does a better job at ignoring things that 
don’t have focus of one kind or another, until it needs to look at them.
 
> On Jun 12, 2018, at 9:55 AM, Christine Grassman  
> wrote:
> 
> I switched to Chrome to avoid this garbage, but it is doing the same thing, 
> almost as often.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 5:34 AM, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>> My partner switched to Chrome because of the constantly spinning icon which 
>> means busy for the sighted. So, though not as bad for sighted folk, it can 
>> and does happen, depending on the age and power of the system.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 12 Jun 2018, at 12:29, Arnold Schmidt > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I have  always been curious: Is this strictly a VoiceOver issue, or would a 
>>> sighted person also have problems using Safari on these sights? 
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
>>> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a 
>>> few seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other 
>>> times, I toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other 
>>> times, I press tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just 
>>> continues to buffer but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, 
>>> it kind of depends on the amount of memory and processing power that your 
>>> Mac has along with how good the web-site coding is.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
>>> same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
>>> when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, 
>>> had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form 
>>> filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what 
>>> seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled 
>>> to help.
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 Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
 significant. 
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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Anders Holmberg]

HI!
Have you used any cleaning utilities to clear out cache and history data and 
such?
That might help.
/A

> 12 juni 2018 kl. 15:53 skrev Christine Grassman :
> 
> Yes, I used to have luck with these suggestions most of the time, but it 
> happens persistently now, no matter what the site, and with chrome as well. 
> It says busy, and/or freezes until I move to another application, and not 
> until the computer seems to “hiccup” and say “VoiceOver on” can I attempt 
> doing something with the browser again, which usually pulls the same thing 
> over and over until I give up.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
>> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a 
>> few seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other 
>> times, I toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other 
>> times, I press tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just 
>> continues to buffer but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, it 
>> kind of depends on the amount of memory and processing power that your Mac 
>> has along with how good the web-site coding is.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
>> same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
>> when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, 
>> had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form 
>> filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what 
>> seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled 
>> to help.
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
>>> significant. 
>>> Christine
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Re: Laptops: When did things change?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

That might make the keyboard even pricier than it is.  The TouchBar has an OLED 
display and has some extra features that would be challenging to implement in 
an external device.  Certainly not impossible, but challenging.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2018, at 12:30, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

I’m actually a bit surpriced that the touchbars haven’t made it into the magic 
keyboard for the mac.
I wonder if they will come.
/Krister


> 12 juni 2018 kl. 20:25 skrev Tim Kilburn  >:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Close John.  It was actually 2016 that the Touch Bar MacBook Pros came out.  
> Everything else you've stated is right on the money.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 12, 2018, at 11:55, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
>I believe the 2017 models were the first, but it's only the Mac Book Pros 
> at the moment. I think there might still be a MBP model that doesn't have the 
> Touch Bar. The Mac Book Air and Mac Book models don't use the Touch Bar I 
> believe.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
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>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 1:52 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone recall when it was that Apple removed the physical function keys
>> and replaced them with the touch sensitive strip? Put differently, what
>> models were the last to have physical keys?
>> 
>> Similarly, what models were the last to have the chime on boot?
>> 
>> I recognize this is somewhat of an oddball question, but if anyone
>> recalls any of these details, I'd be most grateful.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
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>> 
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Re: Laptops: When did things change?

[Krister Ekstrom]

I’m actually a bit surpriced that the touchbars haven’t made it into the magic 
keyboard for the mac.
I wonder if they will come.
/Krister


> 12 juni 2018 kl. 20:25 skrev Tim Kilburn :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Close John.  It was actually 2016 that the Touch Bar MacBook Pros came out.  
> Everything else you've stated is right on the money.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 12, 2018, at 11:55, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
>I believe the 2017 models were the first, but it's only the Mac Book Pros 
> at the moment. I think there might still be a MBP model that doesn't have the 
> Touch Bar. The Mac Book Air and Mac Book models don't use the Touch Bar I 
> believe.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com 
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com 
> 
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> 
>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 1:52 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone recall when it was that Apple removed the physical function keys
>> and replaced them with the touch sensitive strip? Put differently, what
>> models were the last to have physical keys?
>> 
>> Similarly, what models were the last to have the chime on boot?
>> 
>> I recognize this is somewhat of an oddball question, but if anyone
>> recalls any of these details, I'd be most grateful.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> Janina Sajka
>> 
>> Linux Foundation Fellow
>> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:http://a11y.org 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Laptops: When did things change?

[John Panarese]

   I'm getting old, Tim. I lost a year somewhere 


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> On Jun 12, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Close John.  It was actually 2016 that the Touch Bar MacBook Pros came out.  
> Everything else you've stated is right on the money.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
> On Jun 12, 2018, at 11:55, John Panarese  > wrote:
> 
>I believe the 2017 models were the first, but it's only the Mac Book Pros 
> at the moment. I think there might still be a MBP model that doesn't have the 
> Touch Bar. The Mac Book Air and Mac Book models don't use the Touch Bar I 
> believe.
> 
> 
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>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 1:52 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone recall when it was that Apple removed the physical function keys
>> and replaced them with the touch sensitive strip? Put differently, what
>> models were the last to have physical keys?
>> 
>> Similarly, what models were the last to have the chime on boot?
>> 
>> I recognize this is somewhat of an oddball question, but if anyone
>> recalls any of these details, I'd be most grateful.
>> 
>> Janina
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Re: Laptops: When did things change?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Close John.  It was actually 2016 that the Touch Bar MacBook Pros came out.  
Everything else you've stated is right on the money.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2018, at 11:55, John Panarese  wrote:

   I believe the 2017 models were the first, but it's only the Mac Book Pros at 
the moment. I think there might still be a MBP model that doesn't have the 
Touch Bar. The Mac Book Air and Mac Book models don't use the Touch Bar I 
believe.


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> On Jun 12, 2018, at 1:52 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Anyone recall when it was that Apple removed the physical function keys
> and replaced them with the touch sensitive strip? Put differently, what
> models were the last to have physical keys?
> 
> Similarly, what models were the last to have the chime on boot?
> 
> I recognize this is somewhat of an oddball question, but if anyone
> recalls any of these details, I'd be most grateful.
> 
> Janina
> 
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Re: Laptops: When did things change?

[John Panarese]

   I believe the 2017 models were the first, but it's only the Mac Book Pros at 
the moment. I think there might still be a MBP model that doesn't have the 
Touch Bar. The Mac Book Air and Mac Book models don't use the Touch Bar I 
believe.


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> On Jun 12, 2018, at 1:52 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone recall when it was that Apple removed the physical function keys
> and replaced them with the touch sensitive strip? Put differently, what
> models were the last to have physical keys?
> 
> Similarly, what models were the last to have the chime on boot?
> 
> I recognize this is somewhat of an oddball question, but if anyone
> recalls any of these details, I'd be most grateful.
> 
> Janina
> 
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Laptops: When did things change?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Anyone recall when it was that Apple removed the physical function keys
and replaced them with the touch sensitive strip? Put differently, what
models were the last to have physical keys?

Similarly, what models were the last to have the chime on boot?

I recognize this is somewhat of an oddball question, but if anyone
recalls any of these details, I'd be most grateful.

Janina

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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Christine Grassman]

Take your pick of any common web site, and it happens: Amazon, Netflix, 
government web sites, news sites, commercial sites. I changed preferences as 
suggested, and now it keeps saying “loaded” as I read the page. 
Christine

> On Jun 12, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Try going into VO Utility, Web, then Page Loading tab.  Uncheck both items in 
> there and change the "While Loading" menu to "Do Nothing".
> 
> Also, could you send an example link of one of the sites that gives you 
> grief?  I'd like to see how it behaves for me.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 12, 2018, at 09:05, Christine Grassman  > wrote:
> 
>   
> 
>> What preferences do you suggest I reset?
> It happens both on my account and on a “guest” account.
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> Does this happen on other user accounts? Have you tried resetting your VO 
>> preferences? 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 05:34, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>>> My partner switched to Chrome because of the constantly spinning icon which 
>>> means busy for the sighted. So, though not as bad for sighted folk, it can 
>>> and does happen, depending on the age and power of the system.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 12 Jun 2018, at 12:29, Arnold Schmidt >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I have  always been curious: Is this strictly a VoiceOver issue, or would 
 a sighted person also have problems using Safari on these sights? 
 
 Arnold Schmidt 
 
 
 Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
 
 On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
 coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a 
 few seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other 
 times, I toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other 
 times, I press tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just 
 continues to buffer but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, 
 it kind of depends on the amount of memory and processing power that your 
 Mac has along with how good the web-site coding is.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss >>> > wrote:
 
 I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
 same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
 when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only 
 dispise, had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s 
 medicaid form filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, 
 which takes what seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re 
 less than thrilled to help.
> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman  > wrote:
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> Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
> significant. 
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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Try going into VO Utility, Web, then Page Loading tab.  Uncheck both items in 
there and change the "While Loading" menu to "Do Nothing".

Also, could you send an example link of one of the sites that gives you grief?  
I'd like to see how it behaves for me.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2018, at 09:05, Christine Grassman  wrote:



> What preferences do you suggest I reset?
It happens both on my account and on a “guest” account.

> On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
> Does this happen on other user accounts? Have you tried resetting your VO 
> preferences? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 12, 2018, at 05:34, David Chittenden  > wrote:
> 
>> My partner switched to Chrome because of the constantly spinning icon which 
>> means busy for the sighted. So, though not as bad for sighted folk, it can 
>> and does happen, depending on the age and power of the system.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 12 Jun 2018, at 12:29, Arnold Schmidt > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I have  always been curious: Is this strictly a VoiceOver issue, or would a 
>>> sighted person also have problems using Safari on these sights? 
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
>>> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a 
>>> few seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other 
>>> times, I toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other 
>>> times, I press tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just 
>>> continues to buffer but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, 
>>> it kind of depends on the amount of memory and processing power that your 
>>> Mac has along with how good the web-site coding is.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
>>> same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
>>> when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, 
>>> had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form 
>>> filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what 
>>> seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled 
>>> to help.
 On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman >>> > wrote:
 
 Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
 significant. 
 Christine
 
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Re: Turn built-in trackpad off.

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I'm wondering if in your second user, you have mouse keys enabled.  I'm 
certainly not disputing that your Trackpad is disabled in the second user, but 
I don't know of any setting in 10.11.* to turn off the Trackpad either.  I 
don't believe that you'll find such a setting even if you downgrade.  Mouse 
Keys will do this, but does cause other issues, as in re-mapping keys so that 
typing letters such as u i o is a problem.

I'm wondering if you went into VO Utility, Navigation, and set it so that the 
mouse ignores the VO cursor.  This may make the Trackpad less responsive to 
your accidental touches.

Later...

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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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On Jun 12, 2018, at 06:41, Stan ZA  wrote:

Hi Tim,
I fully understand and agree, however, things get even more strange. I have 
never used any “mouse” or “trackpad” with my “MacBook Pro” other then the 
built-in one. 
On the “MacBook Pro” which I have just upgraded to “OS X 13.5” from “OS X 11”, 
I have two users.
User One; I turned “trackpad” off when I was still running “OS X 11” about two 
years ago, and it is still off.
User Two; I used mainly for trying things out, so I never turned the “trackpad” 
off, but now that my usage has or is changing, I tried to turn the “trackpad” 
off and found I cannot.
So my question is “double edged” where would I find the toggle to turn on or 
off the “trackpad”? or will I have to go back to “OS X 11”?
Cheers
Stan ZA


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> 
> Hi,
> 
> No.  I believe that's the best that can be done.  You can turn the Trackpad 
> commander on or off, but that still keeps the Trackpad enabled.  The setting 
> you've mentioned is the best you can do from a GUI prospective.  Plug in a 
> USB mouse or connect a Bluetooth one and when this is checked, your Trackpad 
> will be disabled.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 11, 2018, at 01:46, Stan ZA  > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2018, at 18:04, E.T. > > wrote:Hi E.T.,
> I only see; “ignore built-in trackpad when mouse or wireless is present”, am 
> I missing something?
> 
>> 
>>  Sorry, a correction. System Prefs, Accessibility. Mouse and Trackpad 
>> category.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 6/10/2018 7:46 AM, Stan ZA wrote:
>>> Hi One,
>>> Can some one please help, I have done it before, but cannot remember how or 
>>> more to the point, where? to turn trackpad off on a “MacBook Pro” running 
>>> “OS X 13.5”?
>>> I keep brushing my thumbs across the trackpad whilst typing.
>>> Thanks
>>> Cheers.
>>> Stan ZA
>>> “Please no I am not going to remove my thumbs.
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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Christine Grassman]

> What preferences do you suggest I reset?
It happens both on my account and on a “guest” account.

> On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:02 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Does this happen on other user accounts? Have you tried resetting your VO 
> preferences? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 12, 2018, at 05:34, David Chittenden  > wrote:
> 
>> My partner switched to Chrome because of the constantly spinning icon which 
>> means busy for the sighted. So, though not as bad for sighted folk, it can 
>> and does happen, depending on the age and power of the system.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 12 Jun 2018, at 12:29, Arnold Schmidt > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I have  always been curious: Is this strictly a VoiceOver issue, or would a 
>>> sighted person also have problems using Safari on these sights? 
>>> 
>>> Arnold Schmidt 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
>>> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a 
>>> few seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other 
>>> times, I toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other 
>>> times, I press tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just 
>>> continues to buffer but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, 
>>> it kind of depends on the amount of memory and processing power that your 
>>> Mac has along with how good the web-site coding is.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
>>> same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
>>> when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, 
>>> had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form 
>>> filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what 
>>> seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled 
>>> to help.
 On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman >>> > wrote:
 
 Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
 significant. 
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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Tim,
I and several other Avid Pro Tools beta testers are getting the dreaded "SWOD" 
spinning wheel of death "busy" issue.
We've got it down to the Video card in the mac mini and any other "slower" 
video card macs use.
I'm believing for a mac pro or Imac pro to circumnavigate this very annoying 
issue.
I find it rears its ugly "busy" head most when I set a bunch of hotspots in Pro 
Tools then close that window then the SWOD starts and I go through all your 
steps Tim to calm it down.
Not a very nice thing  when doing a mix session with a client sitting next to 
me! :(

Talk soon
Chuck
"God does not play dice with the universe"
"Albert Einstein’

On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:08 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Hmmm.  I don't experience that sort of thing.  I do have 16 GB of RAM with a 
> 3.1 GHz processor though, so I would reaffirm that if you're only running 
> with 4 GB of RAM with a MacBook Air, you're going to experience this more 
> often.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 12, 2018, at 07:53, Christine Grassman  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I used to have luck with these suggestions most of the time, but it 
> happens persistently now, no matter what the site, and with chrome as well. 
> It says busy, and/or freezes until I move to another application, and not 
> until the computer seems to “hiccup” and say “VoiceOver on” can I attempt 
> doing something with the browser again, which usually pulls the same thing 
> over and over until I give up.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
>> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a 
>> few seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other 
>> times, I toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other 
>> times, I press tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just 
>> continues to buffer but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, it 
>> kind of depends on the amount of memory and processing power that your Mac 
>> has along with how good the web-site coding is.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
>> same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
>> when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, 
>> had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form 
>> filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what 
>> seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled 
>> to help.
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
>>> significant. 
>>> Christine
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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Hmmm.  I don't experience that sort of thing.  I do have 16 GB of RAM with a 
3.1 GHz processor though, so I would reaffirm that if you're only running with 
4 GB of RAM with a MacBook Air, you're going to experience this more often.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 12, 2018, at 07:53, Christine Grassman  wrote:

Yes, I used to have luck with these suggestions most of the time, but it 
happens persistently now, no matter what the site, and with chrome as well. It 
says busy, and/or freezes until I move to another application, and not until 
the computer seems to “hiccup” and say “VoiceOver on” can I attempt doing 
something with the browser again, which usually pulls the same thing over and 
over until I give up.


> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a few 
> seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other times, I 
> toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other times, I press 
> tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just continues to buffer 
> but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, it kind of depends on 
> the amount of memory and processing power that your Mac has along with how 
> good the web-site coding is.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss  > wrote:
> 
> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this same 
> issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today when I 
> was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, had 
> verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form filled 
> out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what seems like 
> forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled to help.
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman > > wrote:
>> 
>> Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
>> significant. 
>> Christine
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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Alex Hall]

Does this happen on other user accounts? Have you tried resetting your VO 
preferences? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 12, 2018, at 05:34, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> My partner switched to Chrome because of the constantly spinning icon which 
> means busy for the sighted. So, though not as bad for sighted folk, it can 
> and does happen, depending on the age and power of the system.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 12 Jun 2018, at 12:29, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> I have  always been curious: Is this strictly a VoiceOver issue, or would a 
>> sighted person also have problems using Safari on these sights? 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
>> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a 
>> few seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other 
>> times, I toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other 
>> times, I press tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just 
>> continues to buffer but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, it 
>> kind of depends on the amount of memory and processing power that your Mac 
>> has along with how good the web-site coding is.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
>>> same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
>>> when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, 
>>> had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form 
>>> filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what 
>>> seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled 
>>> to help.
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
>>> significant. 
>>> Christine
>>> 
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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Christine Grassman]

I switched to Chrome to avoid this garbage, but it is doing the same thing, 
almost as often.


> On Jun 12, 2018, at 5:34 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> My partner switched to Chrome because of the constantly spinning icon which 
> means busy for the sighted. So, though not as bad for sighted folk, it can 
> and does happen, depending on the age and power of the system.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 12 Jun 2018, at 12:29, Arnold Schmidt  > wrote:
> 
>> I have  always been curious: Is this strictly a VoiceOver issue, or would a 
>> sighted person also have problems using Safari on these sights? 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
>> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a 
>> few seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other 
>> times, I toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other 
>> times, I press tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just 
>> continues to buffer but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, it 
>> kind of depends on the amount of memory and processing power that your Mac 
>> has along with how good the web-site coding is.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss > > wrote:
>> 
>> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
>> same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
>> when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, 
>> had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form 
>> filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what 
>> seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled 
>> to help.
>>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
>>> significant. 
>>> Christine
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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[Christine Grassman]

Yes, I used to have luck with these suggestions most of the time, but it 
happens persistently now, no matter what the site, and with chrome as well. It 
says busy, and/or freezes until I move to another application, and not until 
the computer seems to “hiccup” and say “VoiceOver on” can I attempt doing 
something with the browser again, which usually pulls the same thing over and 
over until I give up.


> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a few 
> seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other times, I 
> toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other times, I press 
> tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just continues to buffer 
> but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, it kind of depends on 
> the amount of memory and processing power that your Mac has along with how 
> good the web-site coding is.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss  > wrote:
> 
> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this same 
> issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today when I 
> was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, had 
> verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form filled 
> out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what seems like 
> forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled to help.
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman > > wrote:
>> 
>> Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
>> significant. 
>> Christine
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Re: Turn built-in trackpad off.

[Stan ZA]

Hi Tim,
I fully understand and agree, however, things get even more strange. I have 
never used any “mouse” or “trackpad” with my “MacBook Pro” other then the 
built-in one. 
On the “MacBook Pro” which I have just upgraded to “OS X 13.5” from “OS X 11”, 
I have two users.
User One; I turned “trackpad” off when I was still running “OS X 11” about two 
years ago, and it is still off.
User Two; I used mainly for trying things out, so I never turned the “trackpad” 
off, but now that my usage has or is changing, I tried to turn the “trackpad” 
off and found I cannot.
So my question is “double edged” where would I find the toggle to turn on or 
off the “trackpad”? or will I have to go back to “OS X 11”?
Cheers
Stan ZA


> On 11 Jun 2018, at 15:45, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> No.  I believe that's the best that can be done.  You can turn the Trackpad 
> commander on or off, but that still keeps the Trackpad enabled.  The setting 
> you've mentioned is the best you can do from a GUI prospective.  Plug in a 
> USB mouse or connect a Bluetooth one and when this is checked, your Trackpad 
> will be disabled.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 11, 2018, at 01:46, Stan ZA  > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2018, at 18:04, E.T. > > wrote:Hi E.T.,
> I only see; “ignore built-in trackpad when mouse or wireless is present”, am 
> I missing something?
> 
>> 
>>  Sorry, a correction. System Prefs, Accessibility. Mouse and Trackpad 
>> category.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 6/10/2018 7:46 AM, Stan ZA wrote:
>>> Hi One,
>>> Can some one please help, I have done it before, but cannot remember how or 
>>> more to the point, where? to turn trackpad off on a “MacBook Pro” running 
>>> “OS X 13.5”?
>>> I keep brushing my thumbs across the trackpad whilst typing.
>>> Thanks
>>> Cheers.
>>> Stan ZA
>>> “Please no I am not going to remove my thumbs.
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RE: thoughts re new Mac Book Pro purchase

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

If you're primarily using it on your desk at work, you could set up an external 
keyboard via Bluetooth or USB.

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Subject: thoughts re new Mac Book Pro purchase

Hi List,

My employer is looking at purchasing me a new Mac Book Pro for work.

 So I'm looking at the pricing of both the 13"  MBP with touch bar and without.

 There are obviously some benefits wih the touch bar version, such as able to 
have a faster processor,
4 USB-C ports,

But possible downfalls are the keyboard and the touch bar.

Where as the non touch bar version onlhy has the 2 USB-C ports, Slower 
processor range,

 And downfall the keyboard is that butterfly type.

 What I'd really like to know is if anyone on the list is using the touch bar 
model 13" with windows either in bootcamp or VM environment and if so how well 
if at all does the touch bar work with windows 

Cheers for any info you can provide.

Simon F

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RE: iphone se first generation running on the latest ios?

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

My iPhone 5S works well with IOS 11.4 - and it's older than the SE. 
Interactions with VoiceOver are quite responsive, but loading applications can 
take a while (probably due to the fairly limited 1GB of RAM that it has, if I 
remember correctly).

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I believe from the keynote it will work on the SE 

As for responsive 
That's something your going to have to check out when beta testing takes flight.
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Subject: iphone se first generation running on the latest ios?

Hello can any one tell me if the iphone se first gen will work on the latest 
ios?

if so how responsive is it?

thanks

Hank


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RE: iphone se first generation running on the latest ios?

[Simon Fogarty]

I believe from the keynote it will work on the SE 

As for responsive 
That's something your going to have to check out when beta testing takes flight.
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Subject: iphone se first generation running on the latest ios?

Hello can any one tell me if the iphone se first gen will work on the latest 
ios?

if so how responsive is it?

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thoughts re new Mac Book Pro purchase

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi List,

My employer is looking at purchasing me a new Mac Book Pro for work.

 So I'm looking at the pricing of both the 13"  MBP with touch bar and without.

 There are obviously some benefits wih the touch bar version, such as able to 
have a faster processor,
4 USB-C ports,

But possible downfalls are the keyboard and the touch bar.

Where as the non touch bar version onlhy has the 2 USB-C ports,
Slower processor range,

 And downfall the keyboard is that butterfly type.

 What I'd really like to know is if anyone on the list is using the touch bar 
model 13" with windows either in bootcamp or VM environment and if so how well 
if at all does the touch bar work with windows 

Cheers for any info you can provide.

Simon F

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Re: Once and for all, is there a darned thing I can do to stop all my web browsers from the "busy" refrain?

[David Chittenden]

My partner switched to Chrome because of the constantly spinning icon which 
means busy for the sighted. So, though not as bad for sighted folk, it can and 
does happen, depending on the age and power of the system.

Kind regards,

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Sent from my iPhone

> On 12 Jun 2018, at 12:29, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I have  always been curious: Is this strictly a VoiceOver issue, or would a 
> sighted person also have problems using Safari on these sights? 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
> 
> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This is caused usually by sites that have a lot of content and complicated 
> coding.  Sometimes, I just cmd-tab out of Safari, then do something for a few 
> seconds, then cmd-tab back into Safari and things are better.  Other times, I 
> toggle VO off, wait a few seconds then turn it back on.  Other times, I press 
> tab to start bringing focus into the web area and it just continues to buffer 
> but I can still get places in the web area.  Overall, it kind of depends on 
> the amount of memory and processing power that your Mac has along with how 
> good the web-site coding is.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 18:22, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I’d really love to know that too, for the exact same reason.  I had this 
>> same issue several times, one of them being during a critical time today 
>> when I was trying to navigate the myflorida site, which I not only dispise, 
>> had verry little time to do it in, and had to get Hannah’s medicaid form 
>> filled out for renewal whether I wanted to do it or not, which takes what 
>> seems like forever and the staff at DCF act like they’re less than thrilled 
>> to help.
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ugh! It’s infuriating, especially when I am working on something 
>> significant. 
>> Christine
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