Re: Question about batterys

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Hi. Once you've put the slider to the power setting you want, you have to click 
the mouse/trackpad to make the changes stick.

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> On Mar 6, 2022, at 2:49 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> I am trying to help two people, one has a 2020 intel Mac-book Air and another 
> person with a 2020 M1 Mac-book Pro.
> They are both trying to adjust the display settings on they're Macs to turn 
> off after three hours. I had them both go into the battery in system 
> preferences and go to power adapter. From they're, they could find the slider 
> and adjust the value. when going  back in to double check however, it 
> defaults back to the previous setting. I have a Macbook pro 2019 and do not 
> have this issue. What is also interesting is on mine, I have the button to 
> make and prevent changes and they do not but maybe that’s because I use file 
> vault.
> Another issue, the user’s VO on the  macbook pro will not turn on at startup. 
> The box is checked in users and groups for it to turn on at login. Any ideas?
> Herbie
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Re: Having trouble getting the battery slider for screen time out to stick

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Hi. I just have the mouse follow the Voiceover cursor. That way, when I 
interact with the slider and VO+Right Arrow to the time I want the screen to 
shut off, I just click my track pad and it sticks where I put it.

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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 7:11 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Yeah, that’s been a problem for a while.  If you can use a physical 
> mouse-click either with a mouse or trackpad, that seems to stick.  The 
> difficulty is getting it to the exact number you might want.
> 
> Later…
> 
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>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 14:47, joseph hodge > > wrote:
>> 
>> If I go to system preferences and then battery and choose to have the screen 
>> not fall asleep for let's say 12 minutes as soon as I back out of that 
>> option move down to power then back up the battery it goes back to the 
>> default of two minutes. Does anyone know how to make this setting stick with 
>> VoiceOver?
>> 
>> Joe
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Re: Moderator Note - The Next Generation of VIPhone

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Hi Cara. Well I'm glad everything's back up and running with you guys over at 
VIPhone. I'm just hoping that the same outcome doesn't happen with this group. 
As for VIPhone, I'm thinking I may return. I just needed a break from the drama 
pool that was cluttering my inbox every day. So I may click on that subscribe 
link and rejoin you.

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> On Jan 26, 2022, at 6:19 PM, Cara Quinn  wrote:
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> Hi All,
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> I have some good news!
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> Mark and I have started VIPhone, The Next Generation. :)
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> For now at least, this list will pick up where VIPhone left off. At least 
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> This will take a few days because we are limited in the amount of invites we 
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> https://groups.google.com/g/viphone2
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Re: Apple Pay

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Hi. Interesting that y'all in the States can't use Apple Pay At Walmart. I live 
in Winnipeg Canada and the Walmarts here finally started allowing Apple Pay as 
an option. So yeah, I use it all the time and like Kawal, I mostly use my watch 
for it unless it's charging at which point I use my iPhone SE 2020.

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> On Jan 26, 2022, at 9:10 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
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> Hello,
> No you cannot use apple pay at walmart. The only way to do contactless 
> payments is thru the walmart pay app. 
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2022, at 7:52 AM, Phil Halton > > wrote:
>> 
>> A lot changes in the span of a year. Or, maybe that cashier was 
>> ill-informed. At any rate I’ll bet you can use Apple Pay at Walmart I would 
>> be shocked if you couldn’t. As far as at the self check outs don’t know 
>> about that. But I’ve never used the self checkouts anyway I don’t see why 
>> they wouldn’t.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 5:45 PM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> ApplePay is accepted at Target.
>>> Target also provides free Aira access, which also is not provided at 
>>> Walmart.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 14:30, joseph hudson >> > wrote:
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>>> Wow that's good to know. I wish they did.
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 On Jan 25, 2022, at 2:28 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 About a year ago, a WalMart Cashier told me that they did not do Apple Pay.
 
 
> On Jan 25, 2022, at 2:38 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
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> Good information to have. As I haven't done this yet before. But I might 
> the next time that I have to try to pay for something. Does anybody know 
> if these work at the self checkouts? That would be awesome if it did. And 
> I'm talking at places such as Walmart. Or even Sam's.
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 8:04 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> And by “point “, Joseph means put the phone within a few inches of the 
>> card reader. I don’t think simply aiming the phone at the reader does 
>> any good because they are “Nearfield readers “.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 1:04 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> oh ok. so that's what that double click thing was about when I was 
>>> setting up. thanks.
>>> 
 On Jan 24, 2022, at 7:47 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
 
 Lorie, if you double click the home button, with the screen locked, 
 there will be an Apple Pay interface that pops up. You'll want to 
 point your phone at the register with the Apple Pay symbol on it.
 
>> On Jan 24, 2022, at 6:19 PM, Lorie McCloud  
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> How do I use Apple pay on my phone in a store or restaurant?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: How to change Voiceover voice on Apple Watch

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Hi Donna. If it's the Siri voice you want on your watch, go in the Voiceover 
settings and enable Siri voice. Note that the watch will use whatever Siri 
voice you're using on your phone.

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> On Jan 14, 2022, at 9:52 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Tim,
> 
> OK, so I’ve added a second language. But I still don’t see any way to select 
> a different voice. I did this before, so I know it’s possible, I just can’t 
> figure out how to do it again.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 7:05 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Go into Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, Rotor Languages and Add a 
>> language. .  Once you’ve added the language, the language option will be in 
>> the rotor and you can swipe up/down when the rotor is on Language to change 
>> the voice.  If someone else has more granular voice options, I’d like to 
>> know.  I’ve been playing a little and got this far, but haven’t figured out 
>> if I can choose between voices within the added language.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 16:14, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> This morning I had to reset my watch and re-pair it as a new watch.  Now I 
>>> back to the Samantha voice again, and I can’t remember how to change to one 
>>> of the other voices.  Can someone please refresh my memory?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Voice Dream Reader Beta on the Mac?

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It's a public invite so you don't need Winston's approval. Just click on the 
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> On Dec 26, 2021, at 11:57 AM, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> I installed Test flight on my M1 MacBook Pro running the latest MonteRay. 
> However, I do not have a personal invitation from Winston to beta test VDR so 
> I am not sure if I will be permitted to beta test on the Mac. I have the link 
> that is going around all the lists:
> https://testflight.apple.com/join/bizyFnIn 
> 
> 
> However, that does not seem to give me the ability to install a beta of VDR 
> to beta test on the Mac. Is there something I am missing?
> I am certainly willing to Beta Test if Winston needs someone. I began as a 
> sighted programmer in 1980 with Unix systems doing everything from fortran to 
> SPSS 79 and COBOL. I have no vision now and do not program but I am learning 
> the Mac and hope to learn the terminal and more advanced features because it 
> is so similar to Unix.
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Re: Voice Dream Reader Coming To Mac

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You have to download it through Test Flight on your Mac. To do this, go to the 
Mac App Store and download Test Flight. Once installed, open the link I sent in 
a previous message and accept the invite link. Remember, you have to have macOS 
Monterey version 12 to do this.

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> On Dec 23, 2021, at 2:22 AM, Tibor Niesner  wrote:
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> Hello,
> 
> and where can I download beta of this app for Mac?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Best regard.
> 
> Tibor Niesner
> 
>> 23. 12. 2021 v 9:02, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
>> 
>> Yeah. I installed it on my Mac. I'm hoping though in future updates that 
>> we'll be able to use the voices we bought in the iOS app. I would think that 
>> Winston would have to implement that if he wants the app to be as successful 
>> on the Mac as it is on iOS.
>> 
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>>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 8:11 AM, Herbie Allen >> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is in Beta form right now. Yes, it does work on Intel, and my 
>>> understanding is that the voices do not work. You’re limited to the Mac 
>>> ones.
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 01:55, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey guys. So I heard on one of my Whatsapp groups that Voice Dream Reader 
>>>> is coming to the Mac. One of the system requirements though is you have to 
>>>> have macOS Monterey on your Mac. I have two questions about this. One is 
>>>> from somebody else and the other is a question of mine. Does anyone know 
>>>> if this will work on Intel based Macs? And my question is, and I'm 
>>>> thinking that the answer is no because iOS doesn't have this ability, but 
>>>> I was wondering if voices we buy for the app will also work with 
>>>> Voiceover? I should say that this app is in beta. You can try it here. 
>>>> https://testflight.apple.com/join/bizyFnIn 
>>>> <https://testflight.apple.com/join/bizyFnIn>
>>>> 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader Coming To Mac

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Yeah. I installed it on my Mac. I'm hoping though in future updates that we'll 
be able to use the voices we bought in the iOS app. I would think that Winston 
would have to implement that if he wants the app to be as successful on the Mac 
as it is on iOS.

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> On Dec 22, 2021, at 8:11 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> It is in Beta form right now. Yes, it does work on Intel, and my 
> understanding is that the voices do not work. You’re limited to the Mac ones.
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2021, at 01:55, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guys. So I heard on one of my Whatsapp groups that Voice Dream Reader is 
>> coming to the Mac. One of the system requirements though is you have to have 
>> macOS Monterey on your Mac. I have two questions about this. One is from 
>> somebody else and the other is a question of mine. Does anyone know if this 
>> will work on Intel based Macs? And my question is, and I'm thinking that the 
>> answer is no because iOS doesn't have this ability, but I was wondering if 
>> voices we buy for the app will also work with Voiceover? I should say that 
>> this app is in beta. You can try it here. 
>> https://testflight.apple.com/join/bizyFnIn 
>> <https://testflight.apple.com/join/bizyFnIn>
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
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Voice Dream Reader Coming To Mac

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hey guys. So I heard on one of my Whatsapp groups that Voice Dream Reader is 
coming to the Mac. One of the system requirements though is you have to have 
macOS Monterey on your Mac. I have two questions about this. One is from 
somebody else and the other is a question of mine. Does anyone know if this 
will work on Intel based Macs? And my question is, and I'm thinking that the 
answer is no because iOS doesn't have this ability, but I was wondering if 
voices we buy for the app will also work with Voiceover? I should say that this 
app is in beta. You can try it here. https://testflight.apple.com/join/bizyFnIn 


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Re: Question of the Week: What is your Favorite Apple product and Why?

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My favorite Apple device is Sophia, my MacBook Air. I'm still old school and 
use her for everything including email and playing blind friendly games. She's 
still going pretty strong for me. My Apple Watch SE is a close second and my 
iPhone SE 2020 is third. And yes, I gave both of them unique names as well. 
Haha.

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> On Dec 19, 2021, at 3:00 PM, Rebecca Skipper  wrote:
> 
> My favorite Apple device is my iPhone SE2020.
> It is almost like a tricorder from Star Trek.
> I can use it as my communicator.
> I wished it had a replicator, but I love to use it to pay bills, order food, 
> and so much more.
> The iPod Touch is my second favorite device because it has a headphone jack 
> and is thin and portable.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2021 3:20 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Question of the Week: What is your Favorite Apple product and Why?
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> My favorite Apple product, at the moment, is my Apple watch with the weather 
> Complication.  
> 
> Why?
> 
> Because I really enjoy the weather Complication as it allows me to easily see 
> the temperature, hour-by-hour, via the Digital Crown, for the remainder of 
> the day.  I find this extremely helpful when determining when to start a 
> fire, in my fireplace, or when to turn on the furnace.
> 
> In the rainy season, using the Digital Crown, I can easily scroll through the 
> remainder of the day to see the rain forecast, hour-by-hour.
> 
> I truly do appreciate all of my Apple products for the independence they 
> allow me to enjoy; however, at the moment, I would say that Apple watch with 
> the weather Complication is topping my favorites list.
> 
> What is your favorite Apple product and why?
> 
> I look forward to your replies,
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> Mark
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Re: Trying to restore a MacBook Pro

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Dave. That crash sounds very scary. Hopefully it doesn't do that to you 
again. I haven't upgraded to Monterey but I would think Voiceover would start 
talking at startup like it always has. As for me, I'm still on Big Sur 11.2.3 
as I like the way the Siri female voice sounds. In future versions of macOS, 
they've made her sound like she does on the iPhone starting with iOS 12. 
However, you people with M1 Macs are lucky as you can use the neural TTS 
versions of the Siri voices with Voiceover which make them sound more natural. 
So I'll be staying on 11.2.3 until Apple forces me to upgrade.

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> On Oct 31, 2021, at 12:42 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Had a major crash on my MacBook Pro. It would not start up after trying to 
> switch from one operating system to another. Only the Apple came up, and then 
> an apple with a line through it and then it would shut off again. I found out 
> that I need to hold down option plus command plus are during the start up. I 
> did that, and after my wife helped with selecting a Wi-Fi network and the 
> passphrase, it is now showing that it is progressing. Can anyone tell me what 
> I would need to do next, or if it will complete itself and come back up with 
> voiceover speaking? Any help greatly appreciate it. 
> 
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Re: Updating to Monterey

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Hi Fazil. We'd need more information to be able to help you. To find out 
exactly what the dialog says, VO+Left Arrow to the text of the dialog and copy 
it to clipboard with VO+Shift+C. Once it has been copied, you can paste it in 
your email.

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> On Oct 25, 2021, at 11:26 PM, Fazil  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> I am trying to update Monterey and the system downloaded it two times and 
> downloading it for the third time now but could not install. After download 
> is complete, I get an error message that I can not reproduce it here because 
> I don’t know how to copy dialog in Mac like Windows. It is, however, 
> something like this, something could not be downloaded…….
> Thanks!
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Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

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Hey Dave. I'm finally able to send a reply to your message from last week 
because I've reactivated my Apple One subscription. Anyway, the reason I don't 
like Face ID is because it seems like it's too complicated. Especially seeing 
as how I use Apple Pay every day. From what I've heard, you have to double 
press the side button, aim the phone at your face which I'm not good at doing 
at all, then aiming the phone at the debit machine to finalize the purchase. 
With touch ID, all I have to do is aim my phone at the machine and use touch 
ID. Now granted, I could use my Apple Watch which is what I've been doing ever 
since I got it, but what if I have to leave my watch at home because it's 
charging? That would mean that I would have to struggle with Face ID which I 
have no patience to learn how to use. So until Apple forces me to upgrade, I'm 
going to stick with my iPhone SE 2020.

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> On Sep 20, 2021, at 9:12 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Shawn,
> What is it about Face ID that you don’t like? Did you have it on your 
> previous iPhone? I personally like Face ID as it is so much faster than using 
> Touch ID or the passcode. Perhaps it’s the lack of a home button that’s 
> actually your reason for your iPhone preference?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Sep 19, 2021, at 11:25 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as 
> long as I can because I really don't like Face ID.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
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>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM, > <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> > <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
>> The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I 
>> do not think it has 5G.
>> However, those features are not a priority for me.
>> I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
>> Mini 12 and 13 are out.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> I must say I am very happy with mine too.
>> When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using 
>> IOS 11 on it. lol
>> 
>> It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
>> I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
>> speaker. The sound quality is quite good.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Tali
>> 
>> On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> 
>> mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> I love the iPhone SE 2020.
>>> It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
>>> It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
>>> It is the best iPhone I've owned.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
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>>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
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>>> Subject: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
>>> My reasons are to do with the to

Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)

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Yeah I like my iPhone SE 2020 as well. I'm gonna stick with this phone as long 
as I can because I really don't like Face ID.

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> On Sep 18, 2021, at 5:01 PM,   
> wrote:
> 
> The sound quality on the SE is good, but it doesn't match the Mac or iPad.
> The only limitation for the SE2020 is that it doesn't support Lidar, and I do 
> not think it has 5G.
> However, those features are not a priority for me.
> I just hope that it will continue to receive IOS updates now that the iPhone 
> Mini 12 and 13 are out.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky
> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IPhone SE 2020 (2nd generation)
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I must say I am very happy with mine too.
> When I got it, my original SE was still working well, although I was using 
> IOS 11 on it. lol
> 
> It's very responsive and most times I have no issue with it.
> I even enjoy listening to music on it while I work, without any external 
> speaker. The sound quality is quite good.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Take care,
> Tali
> 
> On 9/19/21, skipper8...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> I love the iPhone SE 2020.
>> It is the same size as the iPhone 7 and iPhone 8.
>> It is fast though there have been complaints about the battery.
>> It is the best iPhone I've owned.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2021 5:20 PM
>> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hello,
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>> I’ve decided to upgrade from iphone 8 to iphone SE 2nd generation (2020).
>> My reasons are to do with the touch ID sensor.  Would you be happy to 
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Re: adobe flash player

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That's all fine and dandy, but after a while she'll get nagged to update the 
flash player, which you can't as they've stopped supporting it. What I did was 
Googled how to uninstall the flash player and they tell you to run the 
uninstaller. So all she has to do is on their website, find the uninstaller and 
run it. For this, tabbing around is the best way of navigation so just find the 
uninstall button and press the spacebar by itself.

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> On Jul 9, 2021, at 10:34 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, I can't help you with this.
> I stopped using flash player long ago, and never installed it on either of my 
> two current max.
> Since it is no longer supported or used by websites, and Safari and other 
> modern browsers have it disabled, you could just leave it where it is and not 
> worry about it.
> 
> - Brad -
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> On Jul 9, 2021, at 17:47, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> ok. I followed the steps but I so far can't locate the directories in finder 
> that I'm supposed to delete. I found "library" in the main directory but 
> can't find flash player as I go farther in. where should I look for those?
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2021, at 5:01 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> See below article from Apple Insider on uninstalling Flash Player from your 
>> Mac:
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/01/03/how-to-uninstall-the-adobe-flash-player-from-your-mac
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> How to uninstall Adobe Flash Player from your Mac
>> Jan 12, 2021
>> <39591-75938-flash-montage-head-xl.jpg>
>> It's 2021, and Adobe is no longer supporting the Flash Player, so it's about 
>> time you uninstalled it from your Mac. Here's how to get rid of the relic 
>> from an older Internet browsing era. 
>> 
>> Flash was a major element of early web browsing, used to power various 
>> animations, forms, and other interactive elements on a website for a user. 
>> It was embraced as it offered more options to web developers and media 
>> creators than HTML, animated GIFs, and other basic technologies of the time. 
>> 
>> However, as browsers improved, and started to sue open standards like HTML5, 
>> WebGL, and WebAssembly among others, Flash fell by the wayside as the 
>> dominant way to provide interactivity. The increased use of the Flash player 
>> installer for malware purposes 
>> 
>>  also probably hastened its demise. 
>> 
>> Adobe announced in 2017 
>> 
>>  it would cease development and distribution of Flash Player by the end of 
>> 2020, and encourage the adoption of other open formats for content that uses 
>> Flash. At the time, Adobe cited a collaboration with Apple, Facebook, 
>> Google, Microsoft, and Mozilla as being the impetus behind the decision to 
>> end-of-life the technology. 
>> 
>> Since that announcement, Adobe continued to support Flash with security 
>> patches and other updates, setting its actual EOL date to be December 31, 
>> 2020. From January 1, 2021, Adobe would cease supporting Flash Player 
>> itself, followed by setting the software to block Flash content from running 
>> at all from January 12. 
>> 
>> To end users, this will largely mean Adobe doesn't intend to issue Flash 
>> Player updates or security patches anymore. Since Flash can potentially be a 
>> security risk, especially with no further updates on the horizon, Adobe is 
>> actively advising 
>> users to 
>> uninstall the Flash Player from their computers. 
>> 
>> Adobe has even taken the step of removing download pages for Flash Player 
>> from its website, to prevent anyone curious from being tempted to install it 
>> for themselves in its last days of life. 
>> 
>> Major browser vendors are also disabling Flash Player from running from the 
>> EOL date. For Mac browsers, Safari disabled support 
>> 
>>  for Adobe Flash in early 2020, after previously requiring users to 
>> explicitly enable it, while Firefox 
>> 
>>  version 84.0 is the last with support for Flash, and the same 

Re: Alexa on Mac.

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This app has been discontinued. For those of us who already have it, it still 
works but who knows for how long.

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> On Jun 21, 2021, at 3:15 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> I do not find this app on the Mac App store nor am I finding any results with 
> general searches.
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2021, at 13:43, 'Matthew Dierckens' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi Herbie there is an app called Reverb. I believe it was free. If not it's 
>> like $1.99.
>> 
>>> God bless.
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>>> Certified assistive technology specialist
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2021, at 14:30, Herbie Allen >> > wrote:
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>>> Someone mentioned you can use Alexa on the mac. So far, I have not found an 
>>> easy way of doing this other than the browser. I lookied in the app store 
>>> and I see some thrid-party utilities that cost. Therefore, if you use Alexa 
>>> on the Mac, how do you access her?
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Re: A Basic Question

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Also, if you're on the finder, you can empty the trash by pressing 
Command+Shift+Delete. No need of going to the dock and emptying it there. HTH.

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> On Jun 15, 2021, at 3:33 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> if it's on the dock you can press vo-d to get to the doc and then type tr. 
> that should. put you there.
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 1:21 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
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>> Hi All,
>> I am away and do not have access to my reference material. How does one 
>> access the Trash Folder on the Mac? I wish to delete a few files that I sent 
>> there. Thanks.
>> Best Regards,
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Re: Interacting?

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This is an incorrect statement. The spoken content section in System 
Preferences is very useful and I can name a few things I use it for.
1. If Voiceover isn't focussed on a system dialog that may have popped up while 
I was away, the system voice through Spoken content will say alert from app 
name and what the system dialog was about.
2. Some apps may use the system voice to speak their content, meaning they 
don't use Voiceover. One example of an app that uses this method is the RS 
Games client. If you don't like the default voice it uses which will probably 
be Alex if your default language is English, you'll have to change it by going 
to System Preferences and use the spoken content section of accessibility. By 
the way, to answer the first question that was asked, in a table you don't have 
to press VO+Space to select spoken content. You just stop interacting and 
everything's there.

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> On Mar 24, 2021, at 4:09 PM, Fazil  wrote:
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> I see, ok, thanks much!
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Brad Snyder
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> If you are using VoiceOver, you should not even be fooling with Spoken 
> Content. This will just mess you up. spoken Content is intended for those who 
> do not use VoiceOver.
> 
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> On Mar 24, 2021, at 14:52, Fazil  > wrote:
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> 
> Hi, Group.
> When we interact with a table, for instance, if I go to Spoken Contents in 
> system preferences > Accessibility and interact with the table there, should 
> I hit VO-spacebar in order to select Spoken contents prior to stopping 
> interaction or leave it alone and stop interacting?
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Re: Not being able to do downloads on the Mac Appstore using voiceOver on Big sur

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Hi. What happens when you use the jump to form command, VO+Command+J? I 
searched for an app I don't have, opened the preview of that app, and did that 
command a few times. I was able to focus on the get button with no issues. This 
is on a 2017 MacBook Air running Big Sur 11.2.3 which is the latest version.

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> On Mar 18, 2021, at 3:22 PM, João de Sousa e Silva  
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> Thanks. however, the problem is that I can’t get to the item. I just know 
> that it’s there , because I got sighted assistance. VoiceOver jumps around , 
> going directly to the item bellow it, and. It is happening  on both, iMac and 
> MacNair.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Às 18:23 de 18/03/2021, Brad Snyder escreveu:
>> Try interacting with the item you wish to obtain from the AppStore, until 
>> you are able to reach the “Get” button.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 18, 2021, at 12:20, João de Sousa e Silva > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>>  
>> Can someone access the download area at the /Mac Appstore, where we press 
>> “get”, on MacOS Big Sur? Sorry if this issue was already mentioned here.
>> 
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Re: WhatsApp on Mac?

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Hi. As for using Whatsapp on the Mac, basically all I've been able to do is 
send text messages to a contact/group. I haven't found a way to listen to 
messages or record audio messages. All in all, accessibility is there but is 
really flaky.

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> On Mar 18, 2021, at 7:28 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> I used the Macintosh app for a while, it is essentially the same as the web 
> page, or at least it was when I used it. When you launch it the first time, 
> it will put a QR code on your screen that you need to read with the phone 
> camera. That will then link your phone and your computer. If I remember 
> correctly most of the chat information is stored on your phone and then 
> transferred to the Mac WhatsApp when necessary.
>  , 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 18, 2021, at 12:23, Traci Duncan > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, I’m reintroducing myself to WhatsApp and have noticed it is 
>> available on the Mac. Does anyone use it this way? If so, do you have tips? 
>> Keyboard shortcuts?
>> 
>> Thanks,
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Re: Trillion question.

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Did you try quitting the app and relaunching it?

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> On Feb 23, 2021, at 9:05 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
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> Ok, trying this again.  I’m trying to reconfigure trillion, along with 
> everything else after having to do a reinstall of Big Sur on my Mac, only for 
> trillion to show my Facebook status as off line, and the extras menu to do 
> nothing when clicked in order to change this.
>  I hear Voiceover announce that I’m now on a table, and how to interact with 
> it, but focus is obviously stuck somewhere, because when trying to navigate 
> with the keyboard, nothing is read to me, VO+spacebar does nothing, aside 
> from saying “menu extras” repeatedly, so I’m at a loss as to what to do in 
> order to activate it.  Does anyone know of a workaround to change the status 
> here?
>  I know my account is connected, because I can expand my contacts menu and 
> find them all in this huge list, but don’t know there status yet, and can’t 
> open a chat window at this point.
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Re: Telegram Building New Tool for Importing Chats from other Apps, 9 to 5 Mac

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Interesting article Mark. I would use Telegram more if they improved 
accessibility on both iOS and Mac. Especially the Mac seeing as how it's 
totally unusable with Voiceover.

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> On Jan 30, 2021, at 8:03 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Amid WhatsApp privacy backlash, Telegram building new tool for importing
> chats from other apps
> By Filipe Espósito, 9 to 5 Mac.
> 
> Following the controversies of the new WhatsApp privacy policies, several
> users around the world have been looking for an alternative to the app owned
> by Facebook. Telegram, which is already one of the most popular messaging
> platforms, is now working on a new tool that lets users import chats from
> WhatsApp and other apps.
> 
> The new feature was released today on the iOS App Store as part of version
> 7.4 of the app, but another update was released moments after that removing
> the mentions to the migration tool — which suggests that Telegram is still
> working on this feature before a public announcement.
> 
> Update: Telegram’s new migration tool has been officially made available to
> all users today. The announcement was made by Telegram in a blog post.
> 
> Over 100 million new users joined Telegram this January, seeking more
> privacy and freedom. But what about the messages and memories that remain in
> older apps? Starting today, everyone can bring their chat history –
> including videos and documents – to Telegram from apps like WhatsApp, Line
> and KakaoTalk. This works both for private chats and groups.
> 
> You can read the original article below.
> 
> However, 9to5Mac was able to try out the new migration tool in the official
> Telegram iOS app to see how it works. According to the original release
> notes of update 7.4, users will be able to import chats from WhatsApp, Line,
> KakaoTalk, and other unspecified apps.
> 
> Using WhatsApp as an example, it doesn’t take much effort to migrate
> conversations from one app to another. Once you’re in WhatsApp, you just
> have to enter the “More” menu in a chat and then choose the “Export Chat”
> option. WhatsApp will generate a ZIP file with the entire conversation that
> can be exported to Telegram through the iOS Share Sheet.
> 
> Telegram will ask which contact or group you want to associate that chat to,
> and then the messages will be synchronized there for both you and the other
> person. All imported messages are labeled as such.
> 
> Although some users are still being able to import chats from other apps in
> the latest version of the Telegram app available on the App Store, Telegram
> didn’t confirm that the feature is actually working for all users. Even so,
> it seems a matter of time before the new option is officially announced.
> 
> As many users are afraid to migrate to other messaging apps and lose their
> conversations, this tool might help Telegram become even more popular. You
> can download Telegram for free on the App Store.
> 
> Original Article at:
> https://9to5mac.com/2021/01/27/amid-whatsapp-privacy-backlash-telegram-build
> ing-new-tool-for-importing-chats-from-other-apps/
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Re: Telegram app for mac?

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The Telegram app for Mac is completely inaccessible. Haven't stumbled on any 
accessible alternatives.

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> On Jan 23, 2021, at 2:52 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
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> What is the status of accessibility of Telegram for mac?   Is there an 
> alternative for desktop?
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> Andrew
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Re: Nasty bug with voice-over and disk utility in recovery finally solved in latest beta update

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Actually no, it wasn't accessible when the first few betas of Big Sur were 
released. Every time you pressed Command+F5 to turn Voiceover on, the screen 
would go blank. But glad it's fixed. Now the contextual menu VO Shortcut needs 
to be fixed.

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> On Jan 21, 2021, at 10:38 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
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> From memory, I don't think this problem was there in the beginning. At the 
> start of the cycle, I'm quite sure I was able to go through Disk Utility but 
> then again, maybe I was wrong.
> 
>> On 22 Jan 2021, at 1:52 pm, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
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>> Glad that is fixed, when I installed big sur on my macs, I had to boot from 
>> a catalina recovery to erase my hard drive first, I'm surprised a bug that 
>> major made it in to production.
>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2021, at 6:14 PM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hey all,
>>> Very happy to report that in the latest beta of big Sur the very nasty bug 
>>> which would make voice-over crash whilst in the disk utility in recovery 
>>> has been resolved.
>>> I can't tell you what a relief this is.
>>> 
>>> Michael
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Re: Downloading Skype for My MacBook-Pro2017

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Hi Fazil. Once you're in the finder, press Command+Option+L to get to the 
downloads folder. Find Skype. It might be in a DMG folder which stands for disk 
image so open it. Then you'll see the Skype app itself so do Command+C. 
Finally, open the applications folder with Command+Shift+A and paste skype with 
Command+V. HTH.

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> On Jan 9, 2021, at 9:31 PM, Fazil  wrote:
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> Thanks much! I don’t know where Download Folder is located and how to access 
> it and samething is true for Application Folder.
> Any help is much appreciated!
> Thanks!
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>  
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> Subject: Re: Downloading Skype for My MacBook-Pro2017
>  
> Go to http://skype.com  and look for the link that says 
> download. Click on it and find the one for Mac. Once it downloads you can 
> find it in the downloads folder. Open the file with the context menu and move 
> the app in there into the apps folder. You can then open it from there and 
> follow prompts.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 9, 2021, at 18:55, Fazil > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi, group.
>> I don’t know much about Mac Downloading but I would like to download Skype 
>> for Mac.
>> Can someone send me the direct download link to Skype? If not, please tell 
>> me how to download it, please?
>> Thanks!
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Re: additional voices?

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I don't know. I just heard Ava's voice cut in to their regular cycle in August 
or September saying that they're going off the air. Sounds like they want 
people to use the Environment Canada app, but my thing is that what if people 
have poor cellular/wifi services? Anyway, this is getting way off topic now so 
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> On Dec 31, 2020, at 1:41 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> really?
> What reason did environment Canada give for that?
> I would think keeping them for rural areas alone would make sense.
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 31 Dec 2020, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries wrote:
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>> I used to like the Tom voice when he was the voice found on your NOAA 
>> Weather Radio stations in the States. At least he sounded more human. 
>> Nowadays he sounds very boring to me. But like they always say, voices are 
>> subjective. By the way, if I could go a little off topic here, we were 
>> supposed to get the Tom and Ava voices for our weather radio here in Canada. 
>> Instead, I was surprised to find out that all weather radio stations here 
>> are going off the air in February or March. Oh well.
>> 
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>>> On Dec 30, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Fred, wow I haven't used that one in a while. It was on my Mac in 1995 or 
>>> at least a variant of it with the same name.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 30, 2020, at 13:56, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Many of them are from Nuance. The "Fred" voice sounds somewhat similar to 
>>>> a DECTALK, but not as good in my opinion.
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/29/20 9:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>>>>> I'm not sure about frequency, I believe tmost of these voices are the 
>>>>> same as what JAWS offers.
>>>>> Karen, Samantha.
>>>>> One thing with the Apple voice setting area, one can adjust both
>>>>> pitch and intonation.
>>>>> My understanding of intonation is how flat the voice will b.
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> Jonathan
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 14:43, Karen Lewellen >>>>> <mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net> <mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net 
>>>>>> <mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Shawn,
>>>>>> Thanks for that information.
>>>>>> My personal situation is that, due to experiencing a rather  unique 
>>>>>> secondary  disability, I have yet to find a safe voice to use.  One that 
>>>>>> does not at best stimulate my brain's dizzy centres, or at worst create 
>>>>>> something a bit like a Cesar.
>>>>>> My last try, in March, involved a siri voice  on an Iphone, which made 
>>>>>> me rather sick indeed.
>>>>>> for the moment Hardware, gosh  I wish someone had saved the digital 
>>>>>> dectalk voices, as I use a hardware decktalk voice now, seems safer than 
>>>>>> software strict like Ios...believe me its complex even for my medical 
>>>>>> team.
>>>>>> What I hoped for from the list  was frequency related information 
&

Re: additional voices?

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

I used to like the Tom voice when he was the voice found on your NOAA Weather 
Radio stations in the States. At least he sounded more human. Nowadays he 
sounds very boring to me. But like they always say, voices are subjective. By 
the way, if I could go a little off topic here, we were supposed to get the Tom 
and Ava voices for our weather radio here in Canada. Instead, I was surprised 
to find out that all weather radio stations here are going off the air in 
February or March. Oh well.

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> On Dec 30, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Fred, wow I haven't used that one in a while. It was on my Mac in 1995 or at 
> least a variant of it with the same name.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2020, at 13:56, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Many of them are from Nuance. The "Fred" voice sounds somewhat similar to a 
>> DECTALK, but not as good in my opinion.
>> 
>> On 12/29/20 9:29 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>>> I'm not sure about frequency, I believe tmost of these voices are the same 
>>> as what JAWS offers.
>>> Karen, Samantha.
>>> One thing with the Apple voice setting area, one can adjust both 
>>> pitch and intonation.
>>> My understanding of intonation is how flat the voice will b.
>>> HTH
>>> Jonathan
>>>   
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 14:43, Karen Lewellen >>> <mailto:klewel...@shellworld.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Shawn,
>>>> Thanks for that information.
>>>> My personal situation is that, due to experiencing a rather  unique 
>>>> secondary  disability, I have yet to find a safe voice to use.  One that 
>>>> does not at best stimulate my brain's dizzy centres, or at worst create 
>>>> something a bit like a Cesar.
>>>> My last try, in March, involved a siri voice  on an Iphone, which made me 
>>>> rather sick indeed.
>>>> for the moment Hardware, gosh  I wish someone had saved the digital 
>>>> dectalk voices, as I use a hardware decktalk voice now, seems safer than 
>>>> software strict like Ios...believe me its complex even for my medical team.
>>>> What I hoped for from the list  was frequency related information anything 
>>>> that might hint at quality before I try.
>>>> I would  not be using a strict 64 bit edition of Macos regardless for 
>>>> other reasons.  Still, I imagine there are  at least 20 or more options 
>>>> just in the regular non-siri voices.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Karen
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2020, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Karen. Some voices on the Mac are used for novelty purposes. Bells 
>>>>> basically talks, or in this case, sings like a grandfather clock. There 
>>>>> are other novelty voices that I'm not going to get indepth about because 
>>>>> it'll take all night to do so. But I can tell you one voice I'm glad they 
>>>>> finally let us use on the Mac. We can now use Siri voices. They added 
>>>>> those voices in Catalina and they can be used in Big Sur as well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Shawn,
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>>>>>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 10:49 PM, Karen Lewellen >>>>> <

Re: additional voices?

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Hi Karen. Some voices on the Mac are used for novelty purposes. Bells basically 
talks, or in this case, sings like a grandfather clock. There are other novelty 
voices that I'm not going to get indepth about because it'll take all night to 
do so. But I can tell you one voice I'm glad they finally let us use on the 
Mac. We can now use Siri voices. They added those voices in Catalina and they 
can be used in Big Sur as well.

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> On Dec 28, 2020, at 10:49 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> What defines a voice as useless?
> I suppose a voice named bells,  is just a ringer not a talker?
> Are the voices say for English first  in the order, or must one go down the 
> list  finding non-English speaking voices mixed  into the options? Clarity  
> is an absolute requirement, and I mean strictly on the mac.
> Thanks so much,
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> 
>> Well, I believe they’re only 40 English voice says, and of those at least 10 
>> or totally useless. Generally they’re marked them as different genders and 
>> sometimes is a compact and a non-compact version. One example of a totally 
>> useless one, is the bells voice that was around since macOS eight or 
>> possibly seven.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Jonathan,
>>> Do you know if any details about each voice is provided..anywhere?
>>> Its characteristics, frequency ranges, etc.?
>>> Surely there must be some reason that makes each voice distinctive from 
>>> each   other besides the name.
>>> That such a number exists is honestly astonishing.
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mon, 28 Dec 2020, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
 
 There are approximately, 285 voices that are available as downloads from 
 Apple. If you pick the name of the Voice in the Speech category of 
 VoiceOver utility, and go to the last item in the pop-up list this will be 
 "customize".
 Pressing this brings up a dialog with a table of voices. Each voice has a 
 checkbox next to it to determine if if it will be enabled for use in 
 VoiceOver. After the list of voices is a play, cancel, and a OK button. 
 The Play button lets you hear a sample of the selected voice. The OK 
 button accepts any changes and requests System Utility to download the new 
 voices the next time it checks for updates.
 
   Best wishes,
 
 Jonathan Cohn
 
 
 
>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 09:53, Chris Westbrook  wrote:
> 
> I like Alex, and sort of like Daniel sometimes, but are there additional 
> voices for purchase or free? Just wondering. I like Fred's voice, but he 
> doesn't speak clearly. haha.
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Re: Mac connected to Amazon Echo

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I'm not sure what you're asking. Can you elaborate? What more would you like to 
do with the two devices connected?

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> On Dec 9, 2020, at 12:24 PM, dan d.  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Aside from audio connection, does this permit any other shared function 
> between the two devices?
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Hi Fazil. Do you have the Amazon A L E X A app on your phone? If so, find 
>> your device in the app and select bluetooth. Once there, have the app start 
>> scanning for Bluetooth devices. Next, on your Mac launch system preferences 
>> and select the bluetooth preference pain. VO Right Arrow until you see a 
>> table. This should have all your Bluetooth capable devices so interact with 
>> the table and look for your Echo. If you're running Big Sur, activate the 
>> actions menu by pressing VO+Command+Spacebar and select pair. And if you 
>> have any other questions about your Mac or Echo, I have groups in Whatsapp 
>> that you can join. Info is in my signature.
>> 
>> Regards,
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>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 4:22 PM, Fazil  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Can I connect Mac to Alexa? If yes, how can that be done, please?
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Jessica Moss
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 6:35 AM
>>> To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Subject: Re: Mac connected to Amazon Echo
>>> 
>>> I???ve noticed when doing this, that on my end anyhow, the sound is so low 
>>> that I practically have to max the volume on both my computer/echo dot in 
>>> order to hear the sound out of it.  Has anyone else had this issue, 
>>> and/know what the cause is for it?
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Nope, I have been playing my own music library.
>>>> 
>>>> I even went up to bluetooth in menu extras and reconnected to Echo up 
>>>> there.
>>>> 
>>>> Traci
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:01 AM, kglists via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you need an apple subscription if you try and play your music library 
>>>>> with your Echo device?  If you are playing from your Mac?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>>>>> On Behalf Of Traci Duncan
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 5:00 PM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Mac connected to Amazon Echo
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wow! I just connected my Mac via bluetooth to Amazon Echo!
>>>>> 
>>>>> *Claps hands with excitement!
>>>>> 
>>>>> An excellent way for me to play my music library with no Voiceover 
>>>>> interference. Although, I need to mute system sounds. ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Traci
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Re: Mac connected to Amazon Echo

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Hi Fazil. Do you have the Amazon A L E X A app on your phone? If so, find your 
device in the app and select bluetooth. Once there, have the app start scanning 
for Bluetooth devices. Next, on your Mac launch system preferences and select 
the bluetooth preference pain. VO Right Arrow until you see a table. This 
should have all your Bluetooth capable devices so interact with the table and 
look for your Echo. If you're running Big Sur, activate the actions menu by 
pressing VO+Command+Spacebar and select pair. And if you have any other 
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> On Dec 8, 2020, at 4:22 PM, Fazil  wrote:
> 
> Can I connect Mac to Alexa? If yes, how can that be done, please?
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Jessica Moss
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 6:35 AM
> To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Mac connected to Amazon Echo
> 
> I’ve noticed when doing this, that on my end anyhow, the sound is so low that 
> I practically have to max the volume on both my computer/echo dot in order to 
> hear the sound out of it.  Has anyone else had this issue, and/know what the 
> cause is for it?
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Nope, I have been playing my own music library.
>> 
>> I even went up to bluetooth in menu extras and reconnected to Echo up there.
>> 
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:01 AM, kglists via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do you need an apple subscription if you try and play your music library 
>>> with your Echo device?  If you are playing from your Mac?   
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Traci Duncan
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 5:00 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Mac connected to Amazon Echo
>>> 
>>> Wow! I just connected my Mac via bluetooth to Amazon Echo!
>>> 
>>> *Claps hands with excitement!
>>> 
>>> An excellent way for me to play my music library with no Voiceover 
>>> interference. Although, I need to mute system sounds. ;) 
>>> 
>>> Traci
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Re: Struggling with some Big Sur navigation

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Hi Tracy. For your apps that can push notifications, are the notifications 
showing up as banners or are they showing up as alerts? All of my apps are set 
to banners and I don't lose focus at all. You can check this by going to System 
Preferences/Notification Center.

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> On Nov 30, 2020, at 2:53 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Traci, Big sur in some ways makes things more difficult and harder to 
> perform.  I have noticed it too: more interactions, not being able to jump to 
> relevant places on the screen quickly enough.  I don’t understand the concept 
> of collections.  Notifications are tricky to work out.  I have learnt that 
> you need to use vo+command+spacebar to activate choices in notifications if 
> you want to dismiss them.
> 
> I’m sorry I can’t be of more help.  Please report to Apple.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 30 Nov 2020, at 16:47, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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>> Hi all, I am having a hard time with a few differences in Big Sur.
>> 
>> Collections. Is there an easier Voiceover way to navigate these? I’m finding 
>> them everywhere: news, App Store, messages. Is VO-j the best way? It seems 
>> like I need to interact several times to get into the content. Any advice on 
>> this?
>> 
>> Notifications. Notifications seem to take Voiceover’s focus. I was on 
>> Safari, and Messages, when notifications came through. I could not get 
>> Voiceover’s focus to automatically return to the apps I was originally in. I 
>> had to VO-shift-d to focus on desktop, then return to my other apps. Is 
>> there something I’m missing here?
>> 
>> Lastly, VO-f search. Are you guys experiencing odd behavior when you perform 
>> a Voiceover search? I can be in a webpage and search for a word. The first 
>> result works fine, but then Voiceover’s focus changes with subsequent 
>> results. Like it gets stuck in the sentences where the searched word is. I 
>> used to be able to navigate a webpage via searching for a particular word. 
>> How is this working for you guys?
>> 
>> Thanks, I’m just not finding Big Sur seamless so far.
>> 
>> Traci
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Re: Wow, folks still use Trilian?

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Hey Tracy. Jessica is correct. It is available through the Mac App Store for 
free and new versions of it aren't accessible at all. I do have a copy of it if 
you wish to try it out. Just email me privately. It's an old version but it 
still works on Big Sur.

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> On Nov 29, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Those of you that still use this app, could you tell me more? What can it do? 
> Is there a cost? Is it from the Mac App Store?
> 
> I’ve heard about this app since my very first days of Mac OS 10. Mountain 
> Lion was my first in 2011.
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: How to Use FaceBook Messenger on Mac OS X via Messages App

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Oh well, that's what Trillian is for.

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> On Nov 27, 2020, at 2:07 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> I just use the web interphase from the mbasic.facebook.com 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2020, at 13:56, Traci Duncan > > wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone tried this route, or is it obsolete?
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> https://osxdaily.com/2015/04/25/set-facebook-messenger-mac-messages-os-x/ 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How to Use FaceBook Messenger on Mac OS X via Messages App
>>> 
>>>  Facebook Messenger is a popular means of 
>>> communicating, but the Mac doesn’t have a dedicated Facebook messaging app 
>>> like the iPhone or Android does… or does it!?! Indeed, you can use Facebook 
>>> Messenger to message friends from OS X, and in moments you can set up the 
>>> Mac Messages app to function as a Facebook Messenger client in OS X.
>>> 
>>> Using Facebook Messenger from the Mac is really quite simple, but it’s 
>>> entirely separate from configuring Facebook sharing from the Mac 
>>> , so if you have 
>>> done one but not the other, you’d need to complete both to have the full 
>>> Facebook functions of sharing, posting, and messaging available to you in 
>>> OS X.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How to Add Facebook Messenger to Messages in OS X
>>> 
>>> This basically turns your Messages app into a full fledged Mac Facebook 
>>> Messenger client, you’ll be set up in just a few seconds with these 
>>> instructions:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you’re on a Mac, the ability to have Facebook Messenger conversations 
>>> right in the Messages app of OS X is really quite nice, the conversations 
>>> will appear alongside other text messages 
>>> 
>>>  and iMessages, Google Chat, Yahoo Messenger, or AOL / AIM communications.
>>> 
>>> Once you have Facebook Messenger added to Messages, you will be 
>>> automatically logged into Facebook Messenger when the Messages app opens. 
>>> To log out of Facebook Messenger in Messages, simply pull down the 
>>> “Messages” menu item and choose “Log out of chat.facebook.com 
>>> ” – similarly, you can log in that way as well.
>>> 
>>> You can access the Facebook Friends buddy list at any time from the 
>>> “Windows” menu item in Messages app, where you can also set your status to 
>>> be online or offline, or away.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This certainly beats having a web browser window open to Facebook.com 
>>>  on a Mac, and if you have set up Facebook posts and 
>>> sharing in OS X  
>>> you now have much of the Facebook functionality right in OS X without 
>>> having to go to the website to talk to friends, share stuff, or post status 
>>> updates.
>>> 
>>> What if you don’t have Messages for OS X? All modern Macs should, but if 
>>> you’re using an older version of Mac system software that has the iChat app 
>>> instead, don’t worry, you can also use Facebook chat in iChat 
>>>  too. The 
>>> configuration and setup process is a little bit different, but the protocol 
>>> is the same as is the ability to have a full conversation with your 
>>> Facebook buddies. So, whatever your version of OS X on whatever your Mac, 
>>> you’ll be Facebooking. Good for you. And no, if Facebook has been blocked 
>>> on the network or hosts file 
>>> , this will not bypass it.
>>> 
>> 
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Re: Favorite Mac Twitter client?

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I use Night Owl. I've been using it ever since I created my Twitter account 
back in 2014. If you're familiar with it, I wouldn't use any other Twitter 
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> On Nov 23, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Twitterific. It has an accessible layout. 
> 
> Herbie
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>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 14:26, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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>> Hi all, Now that I’m running the latest oporating system, I have options in 
>> a Twitter client. Which are your favorites and why?
>> 
>> Thanks,
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Re: InfoVox iVox voices on Bigsur

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Really? Wonder what their explanation is for discontinuing them for silicon 
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> On Nov 19, 2020, at 10:03 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello, 
> I am advised by Assistive Ware that support for their Voices will be 
> discontinued on Mac/OS from 31 August 2021 which is a pity as for me they are 
> better than any Apple voice!  After installing InfoVox iVox Voice Manager 4.6 
> from the Assistive Ware web site these Voices now work fine on my Intel based 
> iMac running Bigsur. However I am advised that they will not work on Apple 
> Silicon Macs.
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Re: infoVox iVox Voices on Bigsur

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Well that's a relief. It'll be nice to use them if my Siri voice craps out 
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> On Nov 15, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,
> FYI the infoVox iVox voices currently do not work on Mac/Os Bigsur. I have 
> contacted their support team and have been advised that this is a known issue 
> which will be fixed by an update to their App next week. 
> Thesed are my favorite voices so that is goodnews.
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Re: Warning before migrating to big Sur

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Hi. I can confirm that the Infovox voices don't work with Big Sur. I ran into 
this issue when beta testing. In one beta, the US Siri female voice that I use 
all the time didn't work so I tried installing Tracy from Infovox. Needless to 
say I had the same issue with her as I had with the voice I use the most. I 
recommend reporting this to both Apple and Assistiveware. Their tech support 
email address is supp...@assistiveware.com . 
Do keep me posted as to what they both say.

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> On Nov 13, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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> Yes, use the speech rotor by pressing VO CMD Shift Arrow keys. If you set VO 
> to Voice it should be fairly easy to press the key combination and Arrow down.
> All the best
> Jürgen
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> 
> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
> 
>> Am 13.11.2020 um 18:03 schrieb Hopewell :
>> 
>> hello,
>> Before you migrate to big Sur set your voices to one of the Apple voices. My 
>> default voice in Catalina was an in for vox I vox voice Rachel. This did not 
>> work on Big Sur and I required sighted help to set my voice-over voice to 
>> Daniel compact before I could use big Sur.
>> Is there any way to set the voice-over voice without using the voice over 
>> utility with sighted help.
>> Best regards… Paul Hopewell
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Re: Should I upgrade to Catalina or Big Sur?

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Hello all. I'll address Pete's question first. Catalina and up drop support for 
32 bit apps. Therefore if you want to upgrade to either Catalina or Big Sur, 
I'd see if the apps you're using have a 64-bit version before taking the plunge.
As for the question of whether or not you should upgrade to Big Sur, Voiceover 
doesn't have any show stopping bugs that I can see. There might be some minor 
annoyances here and there, but all in all it's pretty stable. Other reasons why 
you should upgrade that I can think of are you'll get the new security patches 
that come with the OS, and if you're thinking of getting one of the new silicon 
based Macs, they'll come with Big Sur out of the box. So you should really get 
familiarized with the new features and changes before you get your new Mac.

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> On Nov 11, 2020, at 1:02 AM, 'user' via MacVisionaries 
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>   
> Big Sur runs on the following Macs:
> MacBook: Early 2015 or newer.
> MacBook Air: Mid 2013 or newer.
> MacBook Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
> Mac Mini: Late 2014 or newer.
> iMac: Mid 2014 or newer.
> iMac Pro.
> Mac Pro: Late 2013 or newer.
> 
> Cheers Trevor
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>> On 10 Nov 2020, at 19:50, Pete De Vasto > > wrote:
>> 
>> Lorie, you and I are in the exact same position, so I’ll be interested in 
>> what others say as well because I, too, am comfortable with I have now. I so 
>> far can do everything I want to, and since I’m retired I’m not in a work 
>> situation where I would depend on it more than I am now.
>> 
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> what would you reommend for a Mac mini that I got at the very end of 2014? 
>>> I'm currently running Mojave and am comfortable with it but I don't want to 
>>> lag too far behind unless my hardware has trouble going there.
>>> 
>>> Lorie
>>> 
 On Nov 10, 2020, at 11:31 AM, maurice Mines >>> > wrote:
 
 I would say the question was how old is the hardware? If you're hardware 
 it's older than five years don't upgrade. If it is new say 2018 to 
 present, send certainly upgrade upgrade in the operating system it's a 
 good idea at all times unless there's some extreme reason why you should 
 not remember the bad guys out there are looking for machines with all 
 their operating systems a.k.a. machines point security holes. In other 
 words the bad guys look for is running old operating system so that they 
 can fine with compromise them. Machines running new operating system's, 
 Meaning current operating systems are much harder to be compromised by the 
 bad guys. In other words long story short I always upgrade. For that very 
 specific reason. Ausel accessibility chance to follow the current 
 operating system.
 
 Sincerely Maurice Mines.
 Please note, the above text has been dictated to the computer, using 
 apples built-in dictation software. Please excuse any errors that are in 
 the above text. If there's something that I've written above that you 
 don't understand, please ask me what my original intent was? I make every 
 effort to clear up any misunderstandings that may arise from the above 
 text. Thank you very much for reading this.
 
 
> On Nov 10, 2020, at 16:47, Karen Lewellen  > wrote:
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> Hi Donna,
> Granted I am not personally facing the issue, but my general advice is to 
> consider  what you cannot do now that you desire doing. or what might be 
> done with greater ease?
> If upgrading will do things better, without breaking things that work, 
> then  moving to something equally stable makes sense.  If not?  And the 
> next os might bring you more? then wait.
> Just be certain you are gaining by making the move.
> best,
> Kare
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> 
> 
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
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>> Thanks, Brad. That's my leaning, but I thought that before I did, I'd 
>> see what others think.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Catalina is extremely stable.
>>> I would recommend that you upgrade to Catalina, and wait a while on Big 
>>> Sur. Give it some time and see how it works out. Then maybe upgrade to 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 07:28, 'Donna Goodin' via 

Re: unzip software

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I use an app called Stuffit Expander. I think it's $1.99.

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> On Nov 1, 2020, at 2:50 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I use the unarchiver for stuff like that.
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Christina  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I ran across a .ZIP file that my Mac wouldn't unzip with the default 
>> software. A friend on a windows computer could unzip it. The file happened 
>> to be a folder that was zipped with zipped files inside of that folder. Can 
>> anyone recommend a  third party utility that is VO accessible that's more 
>> powerful than the built in unzip software. I do also on occasion come across 
>> .RAR files, so it would be great if this utility could also handle other 
>> compressed file formats. I did look at the Mac app store, but wasn't sure 
>> which one I'd have the most luck wiht as far as accessibility goes. 
>> 
>> Thanks so much ahead of time,
>> Christina
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Re: Is there a quick way to mute VoiceOver speech?

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Actually that turns off Voiceover completely. If she's talking about the Mac, 
turning on trackpad commander by pressing the VO keys and then rotate 
clockwise, then doing a three finger triple tap should do the trick. If no 
trackpad, you can set a hotkey using the keyboard commander. I set mine to use 
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> On Oct 28, 2020, at 10:28 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> are you talking about the computer or ios? on the computer command-f5 toggles 
> speech on and off.
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Maurice Mines  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, I'm trying to figure out how to mute to speech while allowing the 
>> braille display to function normally. The problem is especially important 
>> when sitting through a zoom meeting where are you use a.k.a. Reed screen 
>> cast which is a substance that of Zoom. The captions up here on a webpage 
>> one can read them at once own pace. This is perfect for braille display 
>> juice. Burger sometime downplaying the speech from the computer, and a 
>> speech from the speaker, cancel each other out most of the time. If I could 
>> just read the words, and listen to the speaker things that on catches 
>> meaning what I think I can hear and what I can read won't be interrupted by 
>> the speech. The second reason is when doing this meaning listening to 
>> presume feed and using screen cast there is this side effect that is rather 
>> unpleasant. As people sending messages to each other which polls my cursor 
>> even though I'm in a separate webpage away from that separate webpage to 
>> show me the balloon box that appears in zoom. And 99.5% of the time the 
>> messages read a bit something like that"Sam to everyone isn't that cool 
>> looking" unfortunately I'm trying to focus on what the speaker is saying not 
>> what people who are cited realize he's wearing. But I hope the Point it's 
>> made here? Because if I have to go to through the menus to get to mute 
>> speech that's pretty time-consuming when in the middle of a zoom meeting. 
>> Any thoughts, and he said just send us?
>> 
>> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
>> 
>> PS it's a 2020 MacBook Pro 13 inch.
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Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

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The entry level is 64 GB and apparently it goes up to 512 GB.

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> On Oct 14, 2020, at 11:40 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Shawn,
> What are the available memory capacities of the SE 2020? I can live with 128 
> Gb, and c have 256 Gb on my iPHone 8.
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2020, at 8:55 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well then I'd suggest the iPhone SE 2020. I have one and I love it.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
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>>> On Oct 14, 2020, at 10:47 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Shawn,
>>> Not sure my failing iPhone 8 battery will last another product cycle. It’s 
>>> either the 12 or one of the 11 or SE models for me
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 14, 2020, at 8:45 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> All I can say is wait until the iPhone 13 comes out next year if you want 
>>>> a new phone with Touch ID. There are already rumors circulating around 
>>>> that the iPhone 13 models will have touch ID.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Shawn,
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>>>>> On Oct 14, 2020, at 8:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a fingerprint
>>>>> sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its
>>>>> conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
>>>>> orchard; but not quite.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on the 
>>>>> new
>>>>> iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not using a
>>>>> fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy phone, every
>>>>> single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, and do it extremely
>>>>> well, I might add, then why not Apple?  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn and 
>>>>> we
>>>>> must reap, what we must.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my beloved 8
>>>>> Plus for a little longer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark
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Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

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Well then I'd suggest the iPhone SE 2020. I have one and I love it.

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> On Oct 14, 2020, at 10:47 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Shawn,
> Not sure my failing iPhone 8 battery will last another product cycle. It’s 
> either the 12 or one of the 11 or SE models for me
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2020, at 8:45 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> All I can say is wait until the iPhone 13 comes out next year if you want a 
>> new phone with Touch ID. There are already rumors circulating around that 
>> the iPhone 13 models will have touch ID.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
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>>> On Oct 14, 2020, at 8:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a fingerprint
>>> sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.  
>>> 
>>> I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its
>>> conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."  
>>> 
>>> I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
>>> orchard; but not quite.
>>> 
>>> You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on the new
>>> iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not using a
>>> fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy phone, every
>>> single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, and do it extremely
>>> well, I might add, then why not Apple?  
>>> 
>>> Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn and we
>>> must reap, what we must.  
>>> 
>>> I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.  
>>> 
>>> I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my beloved 8
>>> Plus for a little longer.
>>> 
>>> Mark
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Re: But All I Wanted was Touch ID

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All I can say is wait until the iPhone 13 comes out next year if you want a new 
phone with Touch ID. There are already rumors circulating around that the 
iPhone 13 models will have touch ID.

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> On Oct 14, 2020, at 8:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, I was wrong.  I truly thought that Apple would include a fingerprint
> sensor on at least one of its devices in the iPhone 12 series.  
> 
> I watched the entire presentation and could not help thinking, at its
> conclusion, "But all I wanted was Touch ID."  
> 
> I am so disappointed.  It's almost enough to make me leave the Apple
> orchard; but not quite.
> 
> You know, I wouldn't have found the lack of a fingerprint sensor on the new
> iPhone 12 series so startlingly disappointing if I were not using a
> fantastic in-screen fingerprint reader on my Samsung Galaxy phone, every
> single day.  I mean, to my mind, if Samsung can do it, and do it extremely
> well, I might add, then why not Apple?  
> 
> Regardless, the proverbial seeds for this year's crop have been sewn and we
> must reap, what we must.  
> 
> I definitely see a new battery for my beloved 8 Plus in my near future.  
> 
> I don't know, I may grab an S E but will attempt to hold onto my beloved 8
> Plus for a little longer.
> 
> Mark
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Re: touch I.D. and pass code

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Hi Lorie. If memory serves me correctly and anyone can correct me if I'm wrong, 
but you need the touch ID and passcode setting on to use Apple Pay.

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> On Sep 30, 2020, at 2:55 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I found a setting in touch id and pass code where I could turn off the 
> requirement for it to unlock my phone. I don't need it for that. I just need 
> it for Apple Pay and stuff like that. I have my brightness at 0 and my screen 
> curtain on. if anybody did happen to unlock my phone out of curiosity or 
> whatever they wouldn't see anything.
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> Lorie,
>> 
>> Go to Settings > Touch ID and Pass Code. There, you’ll find something called 
>> Require Pass Code After, which is supposed to give you options to tell the 
>> phone how long before a passcode is required to do stuff. On my phone, which 
>> is running iOS 13.7, the only option available for me is Immediately. Not 
>> sure why this is the case, as I remember it used to be you’d have other 
>> options up to 15 minutes. There’s probably another setting somewhere that 
>> controls it. You may have other options on your phone too. You probably 
>> wouldn’t want to do this, but there’s also a setting to not have Touch ID 
>> required to unlock your phone.
>> 
>> One other thing: I’ve had Touch ID for as long as I can remember, and I’ve 
>> always been able to do two presses of the Home button and be able to get 
>> right to a message I want to reply to. The key is to have your finger prints 
>> set up right. Keep in mind, also, that you can have more than one finger 
>> print. In my case, I set up finger prints for both my right and left hand 
>> index fingers, so I can unlock my phone with either hand very quickly.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> Pete De Vasto
>> 
>>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 1:30 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> can you tell me where that setting is?
>>> 
 On Sep 26, 2020, at 10:06 PM, Gabe Griffith  
 wrote:
 
 The other thing you can do with the fingerprint ID is to set it to not 
 require your fingerprint if you unlock your phone in a certain amount of 
 time. I think it can be as little as 15 minutes or so or as much as 4 
 hours. 
 
 Gabe 
 
 
 
 Gabe Griffith 
 President, California Council of the Blind 
 (925)222-5762
 gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org
 
 
> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:40 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Face ID is awesome. I will never go back to a phone with the home button 
> and touch ID.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Sep 26, 2020, at 19:38, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> ah ok. not sure if I ever want to deal with face ID but it's good to 
> know what my options are.
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 7:37 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, when you get a new phone, you can get one with face ID. Then when 
>> you unlock it with your face, it'll work like your old one did without a 
>> passcode.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 19:34, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> ok. thanks. it was more convenient the other way. oh well
>> 
> On Sep 26, 2020, at 7:33 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes. Now you'll need to unlock your phone with touch ID, which will 
>>> take you to the home screen. Then you'll need to open messages.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
> On Sep 26, 2020, at 19:10, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just upgraded from the last iteration of IOS 12 to IOS 14.01. in 12 
>>> I hadn't had touch ID or even a pass code but I set those up in IOS 
>>> 14.01. in 12, if I got a text message I could double tap the 
>>> notification and it would open messages and take me right to the 
>>> selected message. this doesn't seem to happen now that I have a touch 
>>> ID. is there a way to go directly to the new message I want to read or 
>>> do I just have to open my phone or unlock it and then open messages?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: Big Sur beta installation stuck

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Hi Andrew. Write me off list. Since this is a beta question, I don't want to 
get in trouble by the mods talking about betas.

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> On Aug 14, 2020, at 3:44 AM, Anders holmberg  wrote:
> 
> I also suggest that you subscribe to the public beta users group on groups.IO
> 
>> 13 aug. 2020 kl. 19:57 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
>> 
>> Mac APFS is a confusing system. You can delete things, empty the trash, and 
>> then startup time_machine and restore the file even if you do not have a 
>> time machine disk. This is because of "snapshots". This might be related to 
>> pursuable data. If you do have a time machine disk, make sure your backups 
>> are complete and then empty the trash on all accounts ands see if that 
>> resolves your space issues.
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2020, at 9:02 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I’m enrolled in beta testing on my mac.  I’ve just been trying to install 
>>> first beta of Big Sur but I get a message that 27 GB additional space on my 
>>> hard drive is required.  I’m installing it on 120 GB macbook air and I have 
>>> not got significant stuff on it either.  When I look at the info of my 
>>> macintosh HD, it says 37 GB available 10 GB purgeable (don’t know what it 
>>> means).  I can’t find any folder that would take up so much room on my hard 
>>> drive as I mostly use icloud services.  The largest folder in my home 
>>> folder is 4 GB, the rest is less than 1 GB.  Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: MacBook 2014 upgrades.

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Yeah I know that 2012 Macs and above can run Catalina but the original poster 
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was impossible seeing as how most newer Macs come with the OS that was released 
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> On Jul 21, 2020, at 1:37 AM, trevor scott  wrote:
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> The Mac I a writing this message is on is a 2012 Macbook pro with Catalina on 
> it and it works perfectly well.
> 
> Trevor
> 
>> On 19 Jul 2020, at 22:41, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am helping somebody who owns a MacBook Air 2014 with Leopard on it. If 
>> they upgrade to Catalina, will the system perform OK, or should I find a 
>> Snow Leopard installer for them. The App Store does present Catalina on the 
>> first page as an upgrade option, but I have no idea if it will just be a 
>> drag to use.
>> Thanks,
>> Jonathan
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
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Re: MacBook 2014 upgrades.

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Hi. Are you sure that he has a 2014 MacBook Air? I ask because I didn't think 
it was possible to have Snow Leopard on a 2014 model.

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> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 10:41 PM Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
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> I am helping somebody who owns a MacBook Air 2014 with Leopard on it. If they 
> upgrade to Catalina, will the system perform OK, or should I find a Snow 
> Leopard installer for them. The App Store does present Catalina on the first 
> page as an upgrade option, but I have no idea if it will just be a drag to 
> use.
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Re: siri app will not open

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Hey Michelle. Have you tried activating Siri with a hotkey? I think the default 
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> On Jul 4, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Michelle Hurdt  
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> Hello all,
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> I been having problems opening the siri app mac os x 10.15.5. 
> Every time i try to open the app from the doc nothing seem to happen and the 
> siri window does not even open. 
> In the system preferences under siri is checked and i am using a behringer 
> x1204 mixer. 
> If you could help me, I would appreciate it. 
> I have tried everything i could think of and still no luck to able use siri.
> The mac i have is a Mac mini  late 2012.
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Re: Facebook on the Mac

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Hi. I use two apps on my Mac for Facebook. For checking news feeds and stuff I 
use an app called Menutab Pro for Facebook. I don't remember how much I paid 
for it but you can get it on the Mac App Store. The second app I use is for 
chatting on Facebook. It's an app called Trillian and actually you can use many 
chat clients on there as well as Facebook. That's also on the Mac app store and 
it's free, except the current version I heard isn't accessible. I do have a 
version that is accessible and it also works on Catalina. Unfortunately I'm on 
vacation and there's no wifi here where I'm at. I will be back home on the 26th 
though so if you're interested in this app send me an email off list that day 
and I'll send it to you.

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> On Jun 15, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Rachel Phillips  wrote:
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> you can use facebook as site facebook.com in browser, i prefer  chrome or 
> firefox
> 
> you can also if you want to use the app, you can have virtual machine with 
> android   os   and run it native as if on device, some like that when they 
> want play the games
> 
> it depends on what you like to do on fb,  i find web is fine for groups, news 
> feeds and video.
> 
> Where as app is bette for games, and photos
> 
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> On Monday, June 15, 2020 at 1:02:46 PM UTC-4, Traci wrote:
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Re: iPhone SE 2nd Gen

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Hi E.T. I've upgraded from an iPhone 8 to an SE 2020. Is there anything 
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> On Jun 11, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
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> I’m a little surprised that your Touch ID no longer works reliably. I too 
> have an 8+ and haven’t had any problems with it Have you got a cover on your 
> phone that maybe obscuring the finger print sensor? Have you tried resetting 
> your finger prints? 
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>>   Has anyone gone from an iPhone 8 or 8+ to the new SE? I have th 8+ on 
>> which Touch ID no longer functions. I like the size of the plus model but 
>> may have to downsize as the other newer models are much more expensive.
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Re: What's App on the Mac.

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Catalist is a project that Apple has going on where in the near future, you'll 
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> On May 19, 2020, at 1:26 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> What is catalyst?
> Thanks.
> /A
> 
>> 19 maj 2020 kl. 07:08 skrev 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi. I've used a few Whatsapp clients. One is simply just called Whatsapp 
>> Desktop and one is called Freechat. The problem these clients have is that 
>> they use a web interface that doesn't play nice with Voiceover. Also, you 
>> need to have your phone always on and both computer and phone have to be on 
>> the same wifi network. Maybe once Catalist finally takes off in the years to 
>> come Whatsapp for Mac will be completely accessible. Until then, best advice 
>> I can give you is just use the app on your phone.
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>>> On May 18, 2020, at 4:12 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Which one did you download as  Petrus said there were a few in the App 
>>> Store.
>>> 
>>>> On 18 May 2020, at 22:08, Leo Bado >>> <mailto:leobado1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, I've never used Whatsapp on the mac, however, some weeks ago I decided 
>>>> to give it a try but the experience was more than an inconvenience. Today, 
>>>> jus about an hour ago, I heard someone on a Whatsapp group that the latest 
>>>>  update has just come out, and it'has been to some degree enhanced from an 
>>>> accesible prospective.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>>Leo
>>>> On 5/18/2020 2:55 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>> Has anyone used What’s App on the Mac, does one exist?  Sometimes it 
>>>>> would be useful to send and reply to messages using my Mac like I can use 
>>>>> the I phone for I Messages as I use What’s App as well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks.
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Re: What's App on the Mac.

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Hi. I've used a few Whatsapp clients. One is simply just called Whatsapp 
Desktop and one is called Freechat. The problem these clients have is that they 
use a web interface that doesn't play nice with Voiceover. Also, you need to 
have your phone always on and both computer and phone have to be on the same 
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> On May 18, 2020, at 4:12 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> Which one did you download as  Petrus said there were a few in the App Store.
> 
>> On 18 May 2020, at 22:08, Leo Bado > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I've never used Whatsapp on the mac, however, some weeks ago I decided 
>> to give it a try but the experience was more than an inconvenience. Today, 
>> jus about an hour ago, I heard someone on a Whatsapp group that the latest  
>> update has just come out, and it'has been to some degree enhanced from an 
>> accesible prospective.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>>Leo
>> On 5/18/2020 2:55 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Has anyone used What’s App on the Mac, does one exist?  Sometimes it would 
>>> be useful to send and reply to messages using my Mac like I can use the I 
>>> phone for I Messages as I use What’s App as well.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
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Re: Very Strange security problems appeared

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hi. Me neither. As I say to the people that are close to me who want to learn 
how to use a Mac, as long as you're not doing anything stupid like going on 
websites you shouldn't be going on, you won't need antivirus software. I guess 
that could be said for any computer.

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> On May 8, 2020, at 11:39 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> Nothing is always safe and secure.  Yes, the Mac is much less susceptible to 
> malware, but no-one can say that it is perfect, nor would it be responsible 
> to say that it will always be.
> 
> All that being said, I don’t use malware protection software either, and have 
> no intention of doing so in the foreseeable future.  I have never had any 
> malware on any of my Macs, nor those of my family.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
>> On May 8, 2020, at 9:46 AM, ⁨Ramy Moustafa Saber رامي مصطفى صابر⁩ 
>> <⁨ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com ⁩> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> Yesterday, I talked to my Internet Provider, they made a refresh, and make 
>> some changes in the DNS, and from yesterday, til now, idid not get any bad 
>> Screens, hope it will be the same.
>> But this will lead me to a question for the future.
>> From switching to mac, I knew that Mac does not contais virus, this is why 
>> am working with no anti-virus, but i saw in the market very expensive 
>> antiviruses for mac, like Kaspersky for instance,
>> Must we muse internet security in our mac Machines?or at leas something for 
>> mailware and spy? or mac is safe and will always be?
>> Need to know.
>> THanks
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 8, 2020, at 4:47 PM, dan d. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Do a virus/malware scan if you have such software
>>> .  Otherwise do a google with multiple results  using:
>>> 
>>> os10 free virus scan
>>> On Thu, 7 May 2020, Ramy Moustafa wrote:
>>> 
 Still waiting any ideas
 
 Ramy moustafa saber
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 faculty of musical education
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 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On May 6, 2020, at 9:34 PM, Ramy Moustafa Saber  ?? 
>  mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> ???so, what is the solution?
> 
> 
>> On May 6, 2020, at 6:43 PM, dan d. > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I would venture a guess that clicking on the first message downloaded a 
>> malware item, maybe a web tracker.
>> The safari security on the mac is finding it and sending the message you 
>> mention.
>> 
>>> On Wed, 6 May 2020, Ramy Moustafa Saber  ??  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all:
>>> 
>>> From about 2 weeks, i start Receiving strange notifications on My 
>>> Iphone and Mac,
>>> on Iphone , i got a screen like:
>>> The identity of Google.com  >> > can not be verified, and it asked me to press 
>>> cancel or details, and when i press details, i found another details, 
>>> then a certificate details, and that is it,
>>> I got this screen for google, outlook 365, freedomscientific, and more. 
>>> what is it?
>>> On mac, when visiting a site from safari, i got a message:
>>> THis site is tried to steal your information, and this browsing is not 
>>> private, it did not allow  me to visit this site,
>>> Am afraid is someone is tring to steal my data or what?
>>> THnaks
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Ggames on the mac

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hey Jessica. I can answer both of your questions. First for the Playroom web 
client, pressing F1 should give you the shortcut keys you can use in every game 
most of the time. As for your question re RS Games, it seems like volume 
controls are broken. Pressing F5 or F6 will turn on or turn off sounds. Don't 
forget that this is a beta. They might fix it in the future. We just don't know 
when.

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> On Apr 5, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I finally got the RSGames client to run on my Mac, and the volume for 
> everything is extremely loud.  Is there a way to fix this?
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 4:07 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Another good client I would recommend is RS Games. They just released a new 
>> version of the client that works with Catalina. It's a beta supposedly but 
>> it still works. To download it, go to rsgames.org <http://rsgames.org/> and 
>> go to the downloads section. You'll want to select the 64 bit option in 
>> order for it to work with Catalina. HTH.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
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>>> On Apr 4, 2020, at 7:56 PM, Shirley Healy >> <mailto:manyofus1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks! I appreciate you telling me about this site.
>>> shirley
>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>> From: 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 1:50 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Ggames on the mac
>>>> 
>>>> Okay, it looks like you’ll be wanting this site:
>>>> 
>>>> http://qcsalon.net <http://qcsalon.net/>
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 4, 2020, at 7:48 PM, Shirley Healy >>>> <mailto:manyofus1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> audio games would be good. and online ones preferably.
>>>>> also dice games, slots, etc.
>>>>> shirley
>>>>>> - Original Message - 
>>>>>> From: 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 1:12 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Ggames on the mac
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What kind of games do you like to play? There are a few options, not as 
>>>>>> many on Windows, but there are some. Do you like text or audio games? Do 
>>>>>> you like single or multiple players? Online or offline? Fantasy or 
>>>>>> Sci-Fi?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 4, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Shirley Healy >>>>>> <mailto:manyofus1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Can anyone give me some good recommendations for accessible games on 
>>>>>>> the mac with vo? I would love to try out a few.
>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>> shirley
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Re: Ggames on the mac

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Another good client I would recommend is RS Games. They just released a new 
version of the client that works with Catalina. It's a beta supposedly but it 
still works. To download it, go to rsgames.org  and go to 
the downloads section. You'll want to select the 64 bit option in order for it 
to work with Catalina. HTH.

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> On Apr 4, 2020, at 7:56 PM, Shirley Healy  wrote:
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> Thanks! I appreciate you telling me about this site.
> shirley
>> - Original Message -
>> From: 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>> 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 1:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: Ggames on the mac
>> 
>> Okay, it looks like you’ll be wanting this site:
>> 
>> http://qcsalon.net 
>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2020, at 7:48 PM, Shirley Healy >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> audio games would be good. and online ones preferably.
>>> also dice games, slots, etc.
>>> shirley
 - Original Message - 
 From: 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
 
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 1:12 AM
 Subject: Re: Ggames on the mac
 
 What kind of games do you like to play? There are a few options, not as 
 many on Windows, but there are some. Do you like text or audio games? Do 
 you like single or multiple players? Online or offline? Fantasy or Sci-Fi?
 
> On Apr 4, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Shirley Healy  > wrote:
> 
> Can anyone give me some good recommendations for accessible games on the 
> mac with vo? I would love to try out a few.
> thanks
> shirley
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Re: facebook on the mac

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It depends. What do you want to do on Facebook? Do you want to just chat with 
people or look at news feeds and stuff? If just chatting, I recommend Trillian. 
If doing both chatting and news feeds, Menutab Pro for Facebook is good.

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> On Apr 2, 2020, at 12:18 AM, Shirley Healy  wrote:
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> does anyone know is there a facebook app for the mac? rather than using the 
> website?
> And if there is, is it accessible with vo?
> shirley
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Re: Word Processors recommendation

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hey there. I know I'm late to the party, but as to the subscribing to Office 
365 yearly or monthly, I was only given the option to subscribe to it yearly. 
My subscription ends in November and I plan to renew it, but for now I don't 
need to worry. But how do you select the monthly option or is that really not a 
thing?

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> On Mar 11, 2020, at 5:45 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I tend to avoid word processors altogether. I usually write my documents in 
> Markdown (for simpler material), or in LaTeX (for more complex texts, such as 
> papers intended for submission to scholarly journals).
>  
> I sometimes review or edit a colleague’s work in a word processor, or use it 
> for simple documents, but not for serious writing projects.
>  
> From: Macvisionaries  on behalf of Bradford 
> Snyder 
> Reply-To: Macvisionaries 
> Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 16:29
> To: Macvisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Word Processors recommendation
>  
> Text Edit is a nice option but it is pretty basic.  I have also experienced 
> issues with MS Word documents loosing certain types of formatting, such as 
> numbering and other formatting options that are not supported by Text Edit.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
>  
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 13:13, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I use Pages and TextEdit.  I forgot to mention TextEdit before.  It can open 
> and save to Word, although you can't do as fancy of formatting as in Word or 
> Pages.
>  
> Later...
>  
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>  
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 13:50, Eric Caron  > wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> 
>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 3:48 PM, Eric Caron > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Tim and others,
>>  
>> My current computer only version of Microsoft Word 
>> application seems to have some glitches.  The longer my documents are the 
>> more issues that seem to crop up.  Mostly focus issues.
>>  
>> Pages being an Apple product, I’m hoping would be a better experience, but 
>> then I have the export issues.
>>  
>> Microsoft 365 is unknown to me, but I’ve not found getting the exchange 
>> account a easy process and am concerned I get the product to find it is 
>> glitchy.
>>  I’m reassured with the comment that it is accessible. 
>>  
>> I’d love to know what word processors Mac-Visionaries are using?  
>>  
>> I want to keep my documents simple and having a mix of Dox and Pages isn’t 
>> appealing, however, Pages might be the more reliable package and worth the 
>> extra steps when needed. 
>>  
>> Are there any special advantages to Microsoft 365 I might not know about?
>>  
>> So, what is the word processor my fellow Mac users on list rely on?
>>  
>> Eric Caron 
>>
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 2:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> Pages, Keynote and Numbers are all totally accessible.  If you plan on 
>>> sharing a document created in Pages with someone who is a Microsoft Office 
>>> user, then you'll still need to export it to a Word document (.DOCX).  
>>> Pages is an Apple product, not a Microsoft product and thus I doubt that 
>>> this will ever change.  Office 365 is quite accessible on the Mac.  Others 
>>> may be able to give you more specifics, but it is totally usable now from a 
>>> VO prospective.  Pages is free, so deciding whether you wish to purchase a 
>>> subscription to Office 365 vs using Apple's suite is your call.
>>>  
>>> Later...
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>  
>>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 12:16, Eric Caron >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Working on getting my Mac in a stronger working order.
>>> 
>>> I have not updated the operating system as my current Microsoft app is 34 
>>> bit and I don’t have a clue where the registration info is.  I purchased my 
>>> copy many years ago and had a difficult time getting it installed.  I 
>>> accidentally selected the 34 bit version.
>>> 
>>> I understand if I move to the latest Mac operating system it will no longer 
>>> work. 
>>> 
>>> So I’m considering Microsoft 365. 
>>> 
>>> What is the word processor of choice these days?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I’m wondering if Pages has improved over the years so. That I don’t 
>>> need Microsoft work for Mac or Microsoft 365. 

Re: Group wisdom on upgrading to Catalina?

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Well I've been beta testing Catalina when it first got released to developers 
and I love it. The thing that sold me the most about it is the fact that we can 
now use the Siri voices with Voiceover like we could on iOS.

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> On Mar 12, 2020, at 11:07 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I think you should upgrade as you get the latest security then.
> It works quite well for most of the time.
> There are some issues for me with braille and i guess this wont be fixed for 
> quite some time since braille isn’t quite important for apple.
> But things work as they should.
> Be aware thought that Itunes is gone and you have to learn the new music app.
> /A
> 
>> 12 mars 2020 kl. 00:32 skrev Eric Caron :
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Now that I’m back on list I have a bit more confidence about upgrading. 
>> 
>> I’m wondering if the group feels like Catalina is now functioning well and 
>> worth upgrading or are many people sticking with a past OS?  I’m currently 
>> working in Mojave.
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
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Re: best twitter apps

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Hi Donna. Night Owl actually is Yorufukurou. They Just Changed the name.   

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> On Feb 21, 2020, at 6:45 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Shawn,
> 
> I know what you mean about VO notifications interrupting other things, but I 
> guess I’ve just gotten used to it. I had Yurifuquru (sp) on my Mac, but my 
> understanding is that it doesn’t work any more.  I’ll give Night Owl a try. 
> Thanks for the suggestion.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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>> On Feb 21, 2020, at 12:14 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi Donna. I still use Night Owl on my Mac. Even though I'm not really happy 
>> with them seeing as how they've removed Growl as a method for notifications. 
>> Yeah, I know I'm a little old fashioned, but I really liked Growl over 
>> notification center. Maybe if Apple made it so that notifications didn't 
>> interrupt what Voiceover is reading to me, I'd like it more.
>> 
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>>>> On Feb 20, 2020, at 6:25 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hi all,
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>>> What are the best twitter apps these days for Mac and IOS?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: best twitter apps

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Hi Donna. I still use Night Owl on my Mac. Even though I'm not really happy 
with them seeing as how they've removed Growl as a method for notifications. 
Yeah, I know I'm a little old fashioned, but I really liked Growl over 
notification center. Maybe if Apple made it so that notifications didn't 
interrupt what Voiceover is reading to me, I'd like it more.

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> On Feb 20, 2020, at 6:25 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
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> What are the best twitter apps these days for Mac and IOS?
> Thanks,
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Re: Twitter Apps For Mac OS

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Hi Angie. I don't know if you saw my previous post, but they want you to have 
the latest version of Night Owl that was released about 3 days ago in order to 
use it with Twitter. Download the update and you'll be fine.

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> On Jan 15, 2020, at 4:18 AM, Angie Nutt  wrote:
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> Hi
> 
> Yes, I just got this issue with Night Owl yesterday; haven’t found a way 
> round it yet.
> 
> All the best
> Angie
> 
> 
>> On 14 Jan 2020, at 18:01, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’m still running Mojave, and have been using Night Owl for twitter access 
>> ever since I’ve had my Mac mini, but the other day I began having issues 
>> where I can no longer get into Nightowl and log in to Twitter.
>> 
>> When I start the app, my Mac starts bonking continuously, and I keep getting 
>> a message to please login to Twitter. There are Retry and Cancel buttons, 
>> and what looks like a web page where I should be able to login to Twitter 
>> again, but I can’t get past here. Are there any others who use Night Owl and 
>> may have run into this problem? I’m also thinking it might be high time to 
>> get a different app, so I’d be interested to know what others are using.
>> 
>> Thanks, as always, for any help,
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Re: Twitter Apps For Mac OS

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hey there. Just a correction to my previous post. As you know I'm beta testing 
Catalina and an update was pushed to my computer. After the update was 
installed onto my computer, Night Owl kept making this bonking noise and 
prompting me to sign in to Twitter. I thought my accounts weren't working so I 
deleted them but I still got the dialog to sign in. I was wondering why this 
was going on so I went to the Mac App Store and figured I should just download 
the new update. Sure enough, in the release notes it basically says that 
they're forcing you to use the new version of Night Owl. This is very 
disturbing because I liked the Growl support and having my tweets read out to 
me. I'm gonna bring this up with the developer.

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> On Jan 14, 2020, at 12:46 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
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> I'm using Night Owl here with no problems. Never experienced your issue so 
> can't help with that.
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>> On Jan 14, 2020, at 12:12 PM, joseph hodge  wrote:
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>> I use twitterific I love it.
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I’m still running Mojave, and have been using Night Owl for twitter access 
>>> ever since I’ve had my Mac mini, but the other day I began having issues 
>>> where I can no longer get into Nightowl and log in to Twitter.
>>> 
>>> When I start the app, my Mac starts bonking continuously, and I keep 
>>> getting a message to please login to Twitter. There are Retry and Cancel 
>>> buttons, and what looks like a web page where I should be able to login to 
>>> Twitter again, but I can’t get past here. Are there any others who use 
>>> Night Owl and may have run into this problem? I’m also thinking it might be 
>>> high time to get a different app, so I’d be interested to know what others 
>>> are using.
>>> 
>>> Thanks, as always, for any help,
>>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Twitter Apps For Mac OS

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I'm using Night Owl here with no problems. Never experienced your issue so 
can't help with that.

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> On Jan 14, 2020, at 12:12 PM, joseph hodge  wrote:
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> I use twitterific I love it.
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2020, at 1:01 PM, Pete De Vasto  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’m still running Mojave, and have been using Night Owl for twitter access 
>> ever since I’ve had my Mac mini, but the other day I began having issues 
>> where I can no longer get into Nightowl and log in to Twitter.
>> 
>> When I start the app, my Mac starts bonking continuously, and I keep getting 
>> a message to please login to Twitter. There are Retry and Cancel buttons, 
>> and what looks like a web page where I should be able to login to Twitter 
>> again, but I can’t get past here. Are there any others who use Night Owl and 
>> may have run into this problem? I’m also thinking it might be high time to 
>> get a different app, so I’d be interested to know what others are using.
>> 
>> Thanks, as always, for any help,
>> Pete De Vasto
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Re: Notifications

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I think that feature is only available if you're using Airpods.

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> On Jan 12, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
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> Yes, I couldn’t find that setting either.
> 
>> On 13/01/2020, at 07:20, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> I do not see this under Notifications. Where exactly is this setting? Thanks.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> another thought:  New in iOS 13, under Notifications, is the option to 
>>> have Siri announce incoming messages.  I have this set to off.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2020, at 11:01, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I assume you have tried toggling this setting on, and then off again.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2020, at 10:16, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> That is disabled for me as well Brad, but still have the issue.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
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>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2020, at 08:41, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I haven’t weighed in on this thread, because I do not experience unwanted 
>>> message notifications during calls.
>>> Not long after I got my first iPhone, in the days of iOS 5, I quickly 
>>> learned that having my incoming messages automatically read aloud by 
>>> VoiceOver for all the world to hear was not something I wanted.  So, I went 
>>> into VoiceOver settings, found the setting for "Always Speak 
>>> Notifications", and disabled this feature. 
>>> Since doing this, I haven’t given this issue another thought.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2020, at 07:53, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I actually don’t have this problem of VoiceOver reading the message when i 
>>> am on a call.
>>> But i use to lock the screen when i am talking to someone.
>>> But it should be fixed in a more reliable way.
>>> /A
>>> 
 9 jan. 2020 kl. 23:04 skrev 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>:
 
 Hi,
 
 Thanks Petrus.  Yes, that would work in the meantime.  I believe that it 
 needs to be addressed by Apple though as some sort of automation or 
 setting.  I have done that a time or two, but usually forget until I'm in 
 the middle of a call and a text message comes in reading itself.
 
 Later...
 
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Jamf Certified Tech
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jan 9, 2020, at 15:00, Petrus Tuerlings >>> > wrote:
 
 Tim,
 As I was going for my morning walk I had an idea. You could always do a 
 three finger double tap on the screen after you answer a call to mute 
 VoiceOver, so you are effectively sticking a sock in its mouth.  And you 
 just need to repeat the gesture once you end the call.  
 
> On 10/01/2020, at 10:31, Karen Lewellen  > wrote:
> 
> That seems like a distracted driving, or walking for that matter accident 
> in the making.
> I am surprised there is not a fix for it already.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 10 Jan 2020, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
> 
>> Actually, I agree that Apple should fix this. My wife has "Do not 
>> disturb while driving”  turned on. But if she is talking on the phone 
>> with hands free then alerts from  text messages and iMessages still come 
>> through and are quite audible over the cars speakers.
>> 
>>> On 10/01/2020, at 10:20, Karen Lewellen >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Will that do the trick for you?
>>> I cannot speak directly to managing this  on your device, but  my flip 
>>> has a separate setting for managing text and e related message 
>>> notifications.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 9 Jan 2020, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Yes, you are correct in that it will silence notifications from that 
 conversation until you unmute the conversation.
 
 Later...
 
 
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Re: Trillion question.

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No it should've downloaded.

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> On Jan 2, 2020, at 5:52 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I’ve clicked the link, and click the download option, but nothing happens.  
> Am I missing something, or does that portion of the site have accessibility 
> issues?
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2019, at 11:22 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It could've updated autommatically if updates from the Mac App Store are set 
>> to download automatically. This version I have is from the developer 
>> directly so it shouldn't update until you tell it to.
>> https://my.pcloud.com/publink/show?code=kZFtPSkZglQ10T3ERXLHxKIqMjA7xX8vwGkk
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>>> On Dec 30, 2019, at 3:53 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That would be appreciated; I’m not sure if mine auto-updated, or what 
>>> happened, considering the fact that I had no idea a new version was out and 
>>> wasn’t alerted.
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 30, 2019, at 2:41 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah I heard about this issue. A friend of mine updated to the latest 
>>>> version of Trillian and he can't interact with the list of contacts 
>>>> properly. That's why I haven't updated. I'm still on version 6.1.1 (7). My 
>>>> suggestion is if you have an older version somewhere, I would downgrade 
>>>> the app to that version and not update it. If not, I can send you mine. 
>>>> And yes, the version I'm using still works with Catalina.
>>>> 
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>>>>> On Dec 28, 2019, at 8:55 PM, Jessica Moss  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just recently noticed with Trillion, that I can’t seem to be able to 
>>>>> scroll through a conversation anymore, and now have also found that my on 
>>>>> line contacts aren’t displaying anymore.  So at this point, the only 
>>>>> option I have, is to collapse the whole row which hides all my contacts, 
>>>>> or press space bar to expand it, which shows every last one of my 
>>>>> contacts, but no status info.
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Re: Trillion question.

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It could've updated autommatically if updates from the Mac App Store are set to 
download automatically. This version I have is from the developer directly so 
it shouldn't update until you tell it to.
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> On Dec 30, 2019, at 3:53 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> That would be appreciated; I’m not sure if mine auto-updated, or what 
> happened, considering the fact that I had no idea a new version was out and 
> wasn’t alerted.
> 
>> On Dec 30, 2019, at 2:41 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah I heard about this issue. A friend of mine updated to the latest 
>> version of Trillian and he can't interact with the list of contacts 
>> properly. That's why I haven't updated. I'm still on version 6.1.1 (7). My 
>> suggestion is if you have an older version somewhere, I would downgrade the 
>> app to that version and not update it. If not, I can send you mine. And yes, 
>> the version I'm using still works with Catalina.
>> 
>> Regards,
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>>> On Dec 28, 2019, at 8:55 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just recently noticed with Trillion, that I can’t seem to be able to 
>>> scroll through a conversation anymore, and now have also found that my on 
>>> line contacts aren’t displaying anymore.  So at this point, the only option 
>>> I have, is to collapse the whole row which hides all my contacts, or press 
>>> space bar to expand it, which shows every last one of my contacts, but no 
>>> status info.
>>> Has anyone had this issue, and if so, how have you been able to correct it?
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Re: Trillion question.

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Yeah I heard about this issue. A friend of mine updated to the latest version 
of Trillian and he can't interact with the list of contacts properly. That's 
why I haven't updated. I'm still on version 6.1.1 (7). My suggestion is if you 
have an older version somewhere, I would downgrade the app to that version and 
not update it. If not, I can send you mine. And yes, the version I'm using 
still works with Catalina.

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> On Dec 28, 2019, at 8:55 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I just recently noticed with Trillion, that I can’t seem to be able to scroll 
> through a conversation anymore, and now have also found that my on line 
> contacts aren’t displaying anymore.  So at this point, the only option I 
> have, is to collapse the whole row which hides all my contacts, or press 
> space bar to expand it, which shows every last one of my contacts, but no 
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Re: ios 13 bug with muting

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Hey Sarai. Is it possible that you have emergency bypass on for your contacts? 
With Emergency Bypass on, Any calls or text messages from contacts who you've 
set it up to work with will bypass the mute setting. Hope that helps and hope 
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> On Dec 25, 2019, at 7:26 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sarai,
> 
> Have you tried rebooting both the iPhone and watch, and see if that resolves 
> this issue.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 25, 2019, at 17:47 CST,  >  > wrote:
> 
> All:
>  
> Is there a bug with iOS 13.3 and watch 6.1? When both phone and watch are 
> muted, they ring anyway or play message tone.
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Re: BrailleBlaster for the Mac revisited

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Also, when focused on an app you're opening for the first time, pressing 
VO+Shift+M for the contextual menu and arrowing down to open will do the trick 
as well. It's much faster than getting the error message you got and having to 
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> On Dec 21, 2019, at 4:17 AM, Michael Busboom  wrote:
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> You are a genius, Joseph, and I thank you very much!
> 
> Now, I need to study the program and learn how to use it. I am hopeful that 
> there is good documentation.
> 
> Again, thanks so much!
> 
> Mike 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 20.12.2019, at 18:35, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> 
>> On the Mac now you have to allow third party apps to be able to run. So 
>> launch he app it will say this isn’t verified cancel or move to trash. Open 
>> system preferences up and go to security and hit the lock button to unlock. 
>> Now go to open anyway for braille blaster and this should allow you to open 
>> it. I just did this myself and it launched.
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Re: battery status script

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Hi. Here is the battery status script. Once you've downloaded it, place it in 
library/scripts/voiceover. Then under Voiceover utility, do the following.
1. In the utility categories, arrow down to commanders.
2. Stop interacting and select the keyboard commander.
3. Find the add button.
4. Enter the letter you'd like to have Voiceover use to call upon the script. I 
use the letter B.
5. Arrow right to select what you want that key to do. For this instance we 
want to run an Applescript.
6. An open dialog box should pop up. Select the battery status script and you 
should be good to go. HTH.
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> On Dec 10, 2019, at 7:58 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   If it is not already there, you can enable battery status in menu extras. 
> Go to system preferences and open the energy category and near the bottom is 
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> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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> On 12/10/2019 5:32 PM, joseph hodge wrote:
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>> that would be useful. I found a link to Brian Smart on AppleVis but the link 
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Re: Does the mac automatically update to the latest OS

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High Sierra doesn't have the System Updates pain in System Preferences. That 
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> On Dec 6, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Sarah Massengale  wrote:
> 
> The particular OS you’re using is the problem, yes.  I believe your software 
> update settings are still under general or can be gotten to from about this 
> mac in the apple menu.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 6, 2019, at 9:48 AM, Phil Halton > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know where you’re finding this software updates business, but in 
>> system preferences, I have no software updates panel. I am using High Sierra 
>> though, is that the problem? Again where are the software update settings 
>> exactly please.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 6, 2019, at 1:20 AM, Dave Carlson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Again — update, not upgrade. You can set updates to be automatic, which 
>>> includes updates to the current Mojave Mac OS, but not a full upgrade to a 
>>> new Mac OS like Catalina.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Mac machines speaking after 10 minutes of activity

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Yeah but your screen goes to sleep still. Even though you have the hard drive 
set to not go to sleep, the screen still goes to sleep. You could make it so 
that it doesn't, but I would think that if you did that it would damage it 
overtime unless you set the brightness to 0.

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> On Nov 2, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> What you’ve said isn’t the case because I have these functions disabled, in 
> other words I have my Mac machines set so that I don’t need to enter a 
> Password after a period of inactivity.
> 
> 
>> On 3 Nov 2019, at 1:32 am, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It is a security thing.  If you had your iMac set to require a password 
>> after sleep or screen saver, or if your Mac was set to require a password 
>> after a certain time of inactivity, this would be announced but also require 
>> your password to unlock.  This sort of setting is, for security reasons, the 
>> preferred configuration, but if you've not set your Mac to require the 
>> password, then the announcement still is made but a simple press of any key 
>> makes it ready to use.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> On Nov 2, 2019, at 00:03, Dane Trethowan > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> This is something I’ve been wondering about ever since I bought my 2 iMac 
>> machines back in 2017 and installed the latest OS back then and still 
>> happens with Catalina now.
>> After about 10 minutes of activity OS announces “Loged In As Dane Trethowan” 
>> I think the announcement is.
>> If I press a key on the keyboard the message disappears but I can see it on 
>> the Braille display and I’ve tried pressing one of the cursor routing 
>> buttons somewhere on the message but that only causes the message to 
>> disappear too.
>> Its probably not a serious problem but I’m curious to know just what’s 
>> causing it.
>> I’ve tried making sure that the Mac machines don’t automatically lock or 
>> sleep and yet this message still keeps appearing.
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Re: Option+T speak time delay problem

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Where is this plist file located? Thanks.

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> On Oct 14, 2019, at 8:01 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
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> Dear List,
> I have had this problem for a while.
> But since deleting
> com.apple.finder.plist
> and restarting the Mac, The problem seems to be fixed.
> I did this three days ago.
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Re: The New Features, Changes, Improvements, and Bugs in macOS Catalina for Blind and Low Vision Users | AppleVis

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I noticed that they didn't talk about the big feature that Voiceover has. If 
you look in your speech rotor by pressing VO+Command+Shift+arrow keys, you'll 
notice that you can now use the Siri voices with Voiceover. This is a great 
feature that some of us including myself have always wanted and now it's here. 
I've been using the female US Siri voice named Nora since it came out in the 
beta cycle and she works great. The only annoyance I have with her is that she 
buffers sometimes. But that hasn't stopped me from using her as my voice.

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> On Oct 7, 2019, at 6:35 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://www.applevis.com/blog/new-features-changes-improvements-and-bugs-macos-catalina-blind-and-low-vision-users
>  
> 
> 
> The New Features, Changes, Improvements, and Bugs in macOS Catalina for Blind 
> and Low Vision Users
> 
> 7 October, 2019
>  
> Apple has today released macOS 10.15 Catalina to the public. As usual, we 
> won’t cover the mainstream features here, concentrating instead on what's new 
> and changed for blind and low vision users. For an overview of the mainstream 
> changes, we recommend that you read this AppleInsider review of Catalina 
> .
> 
> Please remember to check the section about bugs to see if now is the right 
> time to upgrade. There’s no harm in holding off a few weeks or months to let 
> Apple address a problem you may find too disruptive to deal with.
> 
> A note to braille users: the AppleVis team members doing testing with 
> Catalina are not heavy braille users. We have no information as to how well 
> braille works in this release, so please keep this in mind when upgrading. If 
> you are a braille user and have any experience with macOS Catalina and 
> braille, please do post your findings in the comments.
> 
> Changes for Blind and Low Vision Users
> 
> Last year there were no big changes to VoiceOver or Zoom in macOS Mojave 
> .
>  This is not the case with macOS Catalina, which sees the introduction of 
> some interesting–and potentially powerful–enhancements for blind and low 
> vision users.
> 
> Custom Punctuation
> 
> In 2017, Apple removed the "most" punctuation setting, leaving coders and 
> those doing document editing with no good options for hearing the punctuation 
> they needed. Catalina fixes this in a big way. Users can now create custom 
> punctuation groups, in which each symbol can be specified. Symbols can be 
> replaced with custom text, such as "left paren" in place of the left 
> parenthesis; skipped by VoiceOver and sent directly to the speech synthesizer 
> in use, to be interpreted there instead; or silently ignored altogether.
> 
> As with some other features in macOS Catalina, this new punctuation setup is 
> similar to that in iOS 13. Better still, the two will sync. You can set up a 
> custom group on either platform, and it should appear on all your macOS and 
> iOS devices soon after.
> 
> Voice Control
> 
> A significant enhancement this year from Apple is a new Voice Control 
> accessibility feature that allows users to fully control Mac, iOS, and iPadOS 
> devices entirely with their voice.
> 
> Voice Control improves on the existing Enhanced Dictation feature by using 
> the Siri speech recognition engine, so you get the latest advances in machine 
> learning for audio-to-text transcription.
> 
> Highlights of Voice Control include:
> 
> Add custom words: whether you’re writing a biology report, filling out a 
> legal document, or emailing about a favorite topic, you can add custom words 
> to ensure that Voice Control recognizes the words you commonly use.
> Rich text editing: thanks to rich text editing commands, you don’t have to 
> rehearse before you speak. Making corrections is quick and easy. You can 
> replace phrases by name. Try saying, “Replace I’m almost there with I just 
> arrived.” Fine-grained selection also makes it simple to select text. Try 
> saying, “Move up two lines. Select previous word. Capitalize that.”
> Word and emoji suggestions: if you need to correct a word, there’s a new 
> interface just for that. Simply ask to correct a word, and you’ll be 
> presented with a list of suggested replacements.
> Seamless 

Re: Battery level

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Well Petrus, you're lucky. When I connect my phone to a Bluetooth speaker, 
Voiceover still comes through the speaker and there's no way to select 
otherwise. I've tested this with both a Google Home Mini and an Amazon Echo Dot 
3 with the same result.

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> On Oct 7, 2019, at 4:21 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> From what I can figure out, all it does is monitor your battery charging 
> patterns so that it can manage how/when it brings the iPhone to full charge.  
> So, for example, if you normally plug your iPhone in at bedtime and leave it 
> charging all night, then it will figure out that pattern and not charge the 
> iPhone to full charge until closer to your regular wake up time.  This is 
> because even with the charging system throttling down to a trickle charge 
> after reaching 100%, this is still not super good for the battery.  So, the 
> optimization tries to charge, then trickle earlier, then bring it to 100% 
> closer to wake up time.  I guess that it's possible that the monitoring 
> process was not working properly, or still is not, and used up battery juice 
> in the process.  Not sure as I wasn't on the beta program.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
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> 
> On Oct 7, 2019, at 15:02, Anders Holmberg  <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I really don’t understand the optimizations feature.
> Its off here too.
> /A
> 
>> 7 okt. 2019 kl. 22:44 skrev Petrus Tuerlings > <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>>:
>> 
>> Well I turned off optimise battery setting and it didn’t really do anything. 
>> I’m guessing it is something to do with the new bluetooth where I can have 
>> voice over coming through my phone and the media coming through the speaker. 
>> I’m thinking this might use more battery? But i’m not complaining as I’ve 
>> had no other bugs or issues with IOS 13 and I’ve always wanted to get 
>> voiceover through my phone while listening to my audio books or podcasts on 
>> my speaker. 
>> 
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>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Make sure that Optimize Battery Charging is turned off. You can do this by 
>>> going into settings/battery/battery health. Some of us that were running 
>>> the betas had the problem where our batteries were draining rapidly and we 
>>> discovered that Optimize Battery charging was the culprit. We turned that 
>>> setting off and sure enough, our battery was back to normal.
>>> 
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>>>> On Oct 3, 2019, at 9:15 PM, Petrus Tuerlings >>> <mailto:petrus.t...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve been on 13.1.2 since Wednesday and that’s when I noticed it starting.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 4/10/2019, at 15:05, Maria Reyes >>>> <mailto:maria2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do you have 13.0 if so, update to iOS 13.1.2 that should fix it.
>>>>> 
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>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2019, at 10:01 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Has anyone noticed a difference in their battery since IOS 13? I thought 
>>>>>> we were supposed to get slightly better battery performance with IOS 13 
>>>>>> but mine

Re: Battery level

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Make sure that Optimize Battery Charging is turned off. You can do this by 
going into settings/battery/battery health. Some of us that were running the 
betas had the problem where our batteries were draining rapidly and we 
discovered that Optimize Battery charging was the culprit. We turned that 
setting off and sure enough, our battery was back to normal.

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> On Oct 3, 2019, at 9:15 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> I’ve been on 13.1.2 since Wednesday and that’s when I noticed it starting.
>  
> 
>> On 4/10/2019, at 15:05, Maria Reyes > > wrote:
>> 
>> Do you have 13.0 if so, update to iOS 13.1.2 that should fix it.
>> 
>> want to join my WhatsApp group VIP Apple Users? Email me privately and I 
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>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2019, at 10:01 PM, Petrus Tuerlings >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Has anyone noticed a difference in their battery since IOS 13? I thought we 
>>> were supposed to get slightly better battery performance with IOS 13 but 
>>> mine seems to be the opposite. I’m thinking the new feature with the 
>>> bluetooth speakers and voice over coming through the phone while the media 
>>> comes through the speaker might use up more juice. I checked my battery 
>>> health and it’s still running at peek performance. 
>>> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Calling All Willing Participants! Help Wanted!

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Hi Kliph. It sounds like an awesome opportunity, though I have a question for 
you. I'm currently on the developer betas of both Catalina and iOS 13. So my 
question is can developer beta testers join or do you only accept people that 
install the public betas? Thanks.

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> On Jun 22, 2019, at 7:04 AM, KliphnShari Miller  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Apple at its recent WWDC opening keynote, announced the upcoming release of 
>>> iOS 13, iPad OS, TVOS 13, Watch OS 6, and Mac OS Catalina. As expected, 
>>> these are major new software releases for all Apple platforms. However, 
>>> this year promises to be even more exciting than typical releases, as all 
>>> platforms include major new features and revisions.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Would you like a chance to help shape the final releases of this new 
>>> software, discovering bugs and reporting them to Apple before the official 
>>> releases occur? Are you a fairly competent user of one or more of the above 
>>> Apple platforms? Do you possess a positive attitude and a strong work ethic 
>>> for volunteer opportunities? If you answered yes, we would love for you to 
>>> become a beta tester!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Apple each summer makes available public betas of most Apple platforms, and 
>>> 2019 promises to be no different. Beginning this July, Apple will release 
>>> public beta versions of iOS, iPad OS, TVOS, and Mac OS. Testers can install 
>>> the beta software and receive a sneak preview of all the new features, 
>>> while helping to perfect the final releases by discovering and reporting 
>>> bugs and other issues. This is truly an incredible opportunity and an 
>>> awesome experience - a chance to make a difference for millions of Apple 
>>> users around the world. As beta testers, Kliph and I run a support group 
>>> for beta testers. Though not at all affiliated with Apple, we do help to 
>>> facilitate the process and provide a forum for testers to discuss their 
>>> findings, ask questions, and more. Since every Apple platform contains 
>>> massive overhauls this year, we believe it is especially important to get 
>>> as many beta testers as possible.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: new mac books

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

I should've said the 2017 MacBook Air did the startup chime in Mojave which is 
what I have.


> On Jun 3, 2019, at 11:03 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Janina. In Mojave, the 2017 models did make the startup chime. I'm 
> currently beta testing Catalina which is 10.15 so I can't say if it's still 
> there or not.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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>> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
>> models still have the boot chime?
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Simon Fogarty writes:
>>> Hi Listers,
>>> 
>>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
>>> 
>>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
>>> 2017 version of the mac book air,
>>> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
>>> spec'ed out completely,
>>> 
>>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
>>> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
>>> range?
>>> 
>>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
>>> use to the keys on the keyboard.
>>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
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Re: new mac books

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Janina. In Mojave, the 2017 models did make the startup chime. I'm currently 
beta testing Catalina which is 10.15 so I can't say if it's still there or not.


> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:45 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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> I'm also interested in this question and wondering whether the 2017
> models still have the boot chime?
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> Hi Listers,
>> 
>> It's looking like I'm going to have to replace  my mid 2013 11" MacBookAir,
>> 
>> Currently the closest replacement would be the still currently available 
>> 2017 version of the mac book air,
>> Apart from only being able to have 16GB ram in them it's an ok machine if 
>> spec'ed out completely,
>> 
>> However what I'm really wondering is if it's really possible for apple to 
>> put the older non butterfly keyboard in to something in the mac book pro 
>> range?
>> 
>> I've been using a mac book pro 2018 for almost a year and I still can't get 
>> use to the keys on the keyboard.
>> Preferring my 11" MBA keyboard.
>> Does anyone know if there is such a customize option for the mac book line?
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Re: Weather Apps for Mac

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

No. I got it through the Mac App Store, and I don't think Apple puts apps on 
that store that are trial based.

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> On May 21, 2019, at 4:22 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Shawn,
>   Do you know if there is q trial version available for this app? What with 
> the possibility of iOS apps coming to the Mac, it could be a goo deal. I have 
> Weather Gods on my iDevices so I may just wait a while.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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> in the past. What if it were true?
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> On 5/20/2019 11:14 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> I have it on my Mac right now. It's completely accessible. I use it every 
>> day.
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
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>>> On May 21, 2019, at 12:09 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Unless Carrot has a trial version, who wants to spend 12 bucks to test 
>>> it?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 5/20/2019 9:50 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> Hi Ray. Have you tried Carrot Weather yet? I believe that that was the app 
>>>> I suggested. I'd be surprised if it didn't work on El Cap but give it a 
>>>> try.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Shawn,
>>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
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>>>>> On May 20, 2019, at 4:16 AM, Raymond Foret Jr >>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nope.  Sure didn’t.  Tried Classic Weather and it turned out to be a dud.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Still looking.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>>>>> blind:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 19, 2019, at 1:36 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey Raymond,
>>>>>>   Did you find a good weather app to take the place of the braille 
>>>>>> weather site?
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>
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Re: Weather Apps for Mac

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I have it on my Mac right now. It's completely accessible. I use it every day.

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> On May 21, 2019, at 12:09 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Unless Carrot has a trial version, who wants to spend 12 bucks to test 
> it?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 5/20/2019 9:50 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi Ray. Have you tried Carrot Weather yet? I believe that that was the app I 
>> suggested. I'd be surprised if it didn't work on El Cap but give it a try.
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
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>>> On May 20, 2019, at 4:16 AM, Raymond Foret Jr >> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nope.  Sure didn’t.  Tried Classic Weather and it turned out to be a dud.
>>> 
>>> Still looking.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the 
>>> blind:
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> The constantly barefooted Ray
>>> 
>>>> On May 19, 2019, at 1:36 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey Raymond,
>>>>   Did you find a good weather app to take the place of the braille weather 
>>>> site?
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: Alex related question from another list?

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Karen, it has nothing to do with voices being broken. Even if he did download a 
new version of the voice, it would still crash on him. Again, this is a bug 
with 10.12 that 2010 Mac models had and it didn't get fixed until 10.13. So my 
original question remains. Can he upgrade to High Sierra? If not and he likes 
Alex, I would strongly suggest downgrading back to El Capitan if he still has 
it.

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> On May 20, 2019, at 1:31 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi  Simon,
> Actually, since other voices do not have this problem, I wonder why that 
> would be unique to Alex?
> Kevin has asked a different question.
> Can someone tell me how Alex can be downloaded  in case it has been damaged 
> somehow?
> Again he is using macos on a mac mini.
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 18 May 2019, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Kevin,
>> 
>> Long shot but have you by any  chance tapped the touch pad three twice 
>> quickly  with three fingers?
>> 
>> This is a mute for the voiceover voice.
>> 
>> I don't think it's an yissue for you but worth asking.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Karen Lewellen
>> Sent: Saturday, 18 May 2019 3:06 PM
>> To: list voiceover 
>> Subject: re: Alex related question from another list?
>> 
>> Simon,
>> Kevin's answer is below.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: OT:  Why does Alex cut out after 15 minutes
>> 
>> Okay.  I have now switched from Ava to Alexand will see how long it takes 
>> for Alex to stop speaking.  At that point, I’ll try turning VO off and then 
>> back on with CMD F5.
>> 
>> Actually, Alex just stopped as I’m typing this.  I will now turn VO OFF.
>> 
>> I know that VO is off now because if I press the VO keys with the left or 
>> right arrow, I get a beep.  I will now turn VO ON.
>> 
>> I turned VO ON and Alex did not speak.  I pressed VO CMD Right Arrow and the 
>> rate dialog appeared at 55%.  I have enough vision to see this.  Alex did 
>> not speak.
>> 
>> When I pressed VO CMD Left Arrow to return to the voices, no dialog appeared 
>> and I started hearing the beep that suggested VO was turned OFF.  I don’t 
>> know now whether VO is ON or OFF.  Alex does not speak.  There is no VO 
>> rectangle that I can see.  I have some vision.  The only thing I can do is 
>> to reboot the computer and hope that speech will return.
>> 
>> I have no reason to believe that Alex is not downloaded.  It worked on this 
>> computer for years.  But hasn’t worked in years.  I’m working without speech 
>> as I type this portion of the response.  I’m using my limited vision and my 
>> memory to keep my place in the document.
>> 
>> Other than CMD F5, what is the other long way of turning VO ON or OFF?
>> 
>> Thanks so much,
>> Kevin
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2019, at 9:37 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kevin,
>>> What happens if you do a command f5?  That is the keystroke to turn 
>>> voiceover  on and off.  Does Alex return then?
>>> first question from the mac list.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 17 May 2019, Kevin Gibbs wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks.  I’m sorry that I confused the subject of one message with the 
 body of another that had been bounced as undeliverable.  Hope someone can 
 tell me why Alex cuts out after 15 or so minutes.  It’s been doing it ever 
 since El Cap.  I have Sierra on a 2010 Mac mini now.
 
 
> On May 17, 2019, at 8:49 PM, Karen Lewellen via Midimag-ex 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kevin,
> I have  shared your question  with  the  Mac Visionaries list.  Will 
> share the  solution when  it comes.
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 17 May 2019, Kevin Gibbs via Midimag-ex wrote:
> 
>> This is something that’s bugged me for years.  I have a Mid 2010 Mac 
>> mini which is my admin computer.  It is not my music machine with the 
>> exception of having my iTunes library on it.  It is running 10.12.6.  
>> I’m wondering why the Alex VO voice stops running after 15 minutes or 
>> so.  You have to restart the machine to get VO to work again.  This 
>> doesn’t happen with any other voice.  Ideas?
>> 
>> Kevin
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Re: Weather Apps for Mac

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Ray. Have you tried Carrot Weather yet? I believe that that was the app I 
suggested. I'd be surprised if it didn't work on El Cap but give it a try.

Regards,
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> On May 20, 2019, at 4:16 AM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Nope.  Sure didn’t.  Tried Classic Weather and it turned out to be a dud.
> 
> Still looking.
> 
> 
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> The constantly barefooted Ray
> 
>> On May 19, 2019, at 1:36 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Raymond,
>>   Did you find a good weather app to take the place of the braille weather 
>> site?
>> 
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>> Many believe that we have been visited
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Re: alex voice question from another list?

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Hi Karen. This was a bug in Sierra which I think was 10.12 or later. It wasn't 
fixed until High Sierra which was 10.13. I can't remember if the 2010 Mac Minis 
were able to be upgraded to High Sierra but if they can and the person really 
wants to be able to use Alex, I would upgrade to High Sierra. If they can't, 
then the Mac will keep crashing unless they use a different voice other than 
the Mackentalk voices. By Mackentalk I mean Alex, Fred etc. Other voices such 
as Nuance or Acapela didn't crash the Mac in Sierra. HTH.

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> On May 17, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Hi you brilliant folks you.
> Sharing the below, from another list.  I will also pass on the answer, as I 
> am   curtain there must be one.
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> 
> This is something that’s bugged me for years.  I have a Mid 2010 Mac mini 
> which is my admin computer.  It is not my music machine with the exception of 
> having my iTunes library on it.  It is running 10.12.6.  I’m wondering why 
> the Alex VO voice stops running after 15 minutes or so.  You have to restart 
> the machine to get VO to work again.  This doesn’t happen with any other 
> voice.  Ideas?
> 
> Kevin

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Re: a good weather app for Mac

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There is Carrot Weather. Have you tried that?

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> On May 11, 2019, at 3:36 AM, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
> Okay,
> 
> Since the people at the Braille underground weather page seem not to be 
> interested in fixing the 500 internal server error which is still there, I 
> guess it’s time to go looking for a good weather app for my Mac.  Something 
> text only or close to it.  Any ideas?
> 
> 
> Sent from the first computer with built-in screen reader access for the blind:
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> Sincerely,
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PCloud Slowing My Mac Down

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hi everyone. Today I managed to somehow fix my issue with PCloud and now I can 
share files. I'm noticing though that when I wake up my screen, the screen 
wakes up right away but Voiceover takes 5 or 10 seconds to respond. I've 
pinpointed this slowness to PCloud because when I quit it, everything works 
normally. Is this a normal occurrence or if not, how would I prevent PCloud 
from slowing down my machine? Activity Monitor reports that as of now it's not 
using up any processes but I just find it weird that it's slowing down the wake 
process. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks.


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Re: PCloud Was Re: Dropbox Changes

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

That's the problem. That option isn't showing up in the contextual menus at all.
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 15, 2019, at 5:17 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Select a file,
> When you press VO+Shift+M,
> there will be a option to copy download link.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 15, 2019, at 3:08 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guys. So I just installed PCloud on my Mac. I'm about ready to dump my 
>> Dropbox because of all the stupid things that they're doing. I'm just 
>> running into a big snag however. I just put a file in the PCloud Drive 
>> folder and I want to share a link to the file with someone. However, there's 
>> no option to do so. What do I have to do to make this app run properly? 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
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>>> On Apr 15, 2019, at 9:50 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   As long as you do not exceed your iCloud storage.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>>> On 4/15/2019 2:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>>> In iCloud can you set it to save different media types to different 
>>>> folders etc?
>>>> I've got a lot of music and audio books but next to no photos
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> Sent: Monday, 15 April 2019 3:11 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Dropbox Changes
>>>> I would imagine that storage is good regardless of which platform 
>>>> since iCloud Drive uses shared folders,
>>>> Do not unlink any devices and you are safe. Dropbox is on 5 devices 
>>>> here. The limit is 3 but unless I unlink any of them its good.
>>>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
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>>>>> On 4/14/2019 1:39 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>> Donna,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can you use iCloud storage on Windows side too?  I have both mac &
>>>>> windows machines & having used dropbox for many years Dropbox is now
>>>>> becoming a bit difficult as I’ve recently received warnings about
>>>>> number of devices connected and I don’t really want to pay for another
>>>>> storage sharing service when I already pay for iCloud. It’s so handy
>>>>> to have a storage facility you can share among many devices for
>>>>> copying transferring files & folders.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>> On Apr 13, 2019, at 2:08 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why not use iCloud?  I use it and love it.
>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2019, at 11:22 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There's always Google Drive of which the basic one allows for 15 GB
>>>>>>> free.  I'm not sure of a device limit as I've never reached it.
>>>>>>>  There's also pCloud that's pretty good and accessible.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Later...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2019, at 20:06, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>> >>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>

Re: Dropbox Changes

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

I understand that. While things most certainly shouldn't be entirely free, I do 
say there should be more pricing plans. When you're on a fixed income and 
you're paying for other services, $10 a month is a pretty steap price. Not only 
that, but I certainly do not need a terabyte of storage. If they had a similar 
pricing structure like iCloud, I would consider paying for them. But 
unfortunately, that's not the case. This is why I'm trying to figure out this 
PCloud thing and while Jessica's suggestion is ok for others, I don't want the 
app on my phone. I work on my Mac most of the time. So I'm asking this again, 
what do I have to do to be able to share files? It's not showing up in the 
share menu.

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> On Apr 15, 2019, at 3:19 PM, Maurice Mines  wrote:
> 
> Hello, a point of clarification here. The restriction on devices is for quote 
> free accounts only. Those of us who have paid for dropbox are not affected in 
> any way shape or form. So while this thread goes on, and on. Remember the 
> state quote discussion about free services if you want free you get nothing. 
> There is no such thing as a free lunch ever! If you want service, 
> unfortunately you must pay for the service. I know I may sound harsh and 
> nasty but that’s the answer I got dropbox. They will try to address the 
> concerns about things such as blindness specific applications that link to 
> their service. In the next release. But that fixable only be for paid 
> customers. I think all the other services will adopt similar policies to 
> dropbox. Unfortunately this is a capitalist system. I think I’ve said enough 
> on this one. Please do not send me flaming emails they won’t be read they 
> will just simply be deleted. For the record, I don’t work for nor do I have 
> any financial relationship with dropbox other than what a normal customer 
> would have.
> 
> 73 from kd0iko.
> 
> On 14 Apr 2019, at 1:39, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
> Can you use iCloud storage on Windows side too?  I have both mac & windows 
> machines & having used dropbox for many years Dropbox is now becoming a bit 
> difficult as I’ve recently received warnings about number of devices 
> connected and I don’t really want to pay for another storage sharing service 
> when I already pay for iCloud. It’s so handy to have a storage facility you 
> can share among many devices for copying transferring files & folders.
> 
> Andrew
>> On Apr 13, 2019, at 2:08 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Why not use iCloud?  I use it and love it.
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2019, at 11:22 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> There's always Google Drive of which the basic one allows for 15 GB free.  
>>> I'm not sure of a device limit as I've never reached it.  There's also 
>>> pCloud that's pretty good and accessible.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2019, at 20:06, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Just got an email from Dropbox stating I have exceeded the limit (which 
>>> is three) for the Basic plan. I have 5. That would only be an issue if I 
>>> want to add a new device or if I unlink a current one.
>>> 
>>>   So just curious. What are the other file sharing services (free) that 
>>> exist? For Windows, Mac, and iOS.
>>> 
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PCloud Was Re: Dropbox Changes

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hey guys. So I just installed PCloud on my Mac. I'm about ready to dump my 
Dropbox because of all the stupid things that they're doing. I'm just running 
into a big snag however. I just put a file in the PCloud Drive folder and I 
want to share a link to the file with someone. However, there's no option to do 
so. What do I have to do to make this app run properly? Thanks.

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> On Apr 15, 2019, at 9:50 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   As long as you do not exceed your iCloud storage.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 4/15/2019 2:15 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> In iCloud can you set it to save different media types to different folders 
>> etc?
>> I've got a lot of music and audio books but next to no photos
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> Sent: Monday, 15 April 2019 3:11 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Dropbox Changes
>> I would imagine that storage is good regardless of which platform since 
>> iCloud Drive uses shared folders,
>> Do not unlink any devices and you are safe. Dropbox is on 5 devices 
>> here. The limit is 3 but unless I unlink any of them its good.
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> On 4/14/2019 1:39 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> Can you use iCloud storage on Windows side too?  I have both mac &
>>> windows machines & having used dropbox for many years Dropbox is now
>>> becoming a bit difficult as I’ve recently received warnings about
>>> number of devices connected and I don’t really want to pay for another
>>> storage sharing service when I already pay for iCloud. It’s so handy
>>> to have a storage facility you can share among many devices for
>>> copying transferring files & folders.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
 On Apr 13, 2019, at 2:08 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
 >>> > wrote:
 
 Why not use iCloud?  I use it and love it.
 Donna
 
 
> On Apr 12, 2019, at 11:22 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There's always Google Drive of which the basic one allows for 15 GB
> free.  I'm not sure of a device limit as I've never reached it.
>  There's also pCloud that's pretty good and accessible.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 12, 2019, at 20:06, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>  > wrote:
> 
>   Just got an email from Dropbox stating I have exceeded the limit
> (which is three) for the Basic plan. I have 5. That would only be an
> issue if I want to add a new device or if I unlink a current one.
> 
>   So just curious. What are the other file sharing services (free)
> that exist? For Windows, Mac, and iOS.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were
> true?
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Re: Silly Question

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

I do have a battery status script if anyone is interested. I've offered it here 
before on this list but since we've had newcomers here since the last time I 
posted it, I'll post it again. Once you've installed this script, you can use 
the right option key plus the B key to get the status of your battery on the 
fly. Here it is.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/elcxyjgmjyjlq3w/battery%20status.scpt?dl=0 



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> On Apr 8, 2019, at 5:49 AM, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> This was one of the things that was broken for me. It is now been fixed 
> having allowed the system to update. My Brilliant 40 (Old Version) now works 
> again!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>> On 8 Apr 2019, at 09:41, Anne Robertson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Paul,
>> 
>> In VoiceOver Utility, under General, is the tickbox Allow VoiceOver to be 
>> controlled with AppleScript ticked?
>>  If not, none of the scripts executed by this kind of command will work.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8 Apr 2019, at 09:26, Paul Parravano >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Anne,
>>> 
>>> I cannot get this to work as you describe, with keyboard commander 
>>> activated. I am using Mojave.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 8, 2019, at 07:18, Anne Robertson >>> > wrote:
 
 Right option key with t will work if you have activated the Keyboard 
 Commander. The toggle for this is VO-Shift-k.
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 
 
> On 8 Apr 2019, at 04:38, Petrus Tuerlings  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Menu extras is easy enough so I’ll do it that way, I’ve been 
> asking Siri for the time if my phone wasn’t handy. 
> Now I noticed my clock is set to 12 hour time so tomorrow when I have 
> more time I will see if I can change it to 24 hour time as that has 
> always been my preference. I’m not going to ask how to do it yet as I’m 
> curious to see if I can work it out. 
> 
>> On 8/04/2019, at 2:28 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>>   No. But. Both items are on the menu extras, accessed with VO m m. You 
>> also can get the time I believe with option t.
>> 
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>> On 4/7/2019 7:18 PM, Petrus Tuerlings wrote:
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>>> windows computer it used to be the JAWS key with F12, for the time. Is 
>>> there a similar key combo for voice over? I’ve used VO K for keyboard 
>>> help and I have looked in the voice over commands using VO HH but can’t 
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Re: skype8 not accessable?

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Hi Trahern. I'm running macOS Mojave and Skype 8 is working fine here.

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> On Mar 21, 2019, at 7:54 AM, Trahern Culver  wrote:
> 
> hi everyone, i've just tried to use skype8 on sierra and voice over  wasn't 
> able to reed the screen at all whats going on? is skype8 not accessable? 
> 
> if someone could help with this that would be great thanks :)
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Re: Whats App

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

For the things you want to do like listening to audio messages and making 
calls, you'll need the phone app as you can't do those things with whatsapp on 
the Mac.
 

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> On Mar 19, 2019, at 2:26 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Thank you for the reply. So when you say you can’t listen to messages, do you 
> mean that Voiceover doesn’t read them? Or do you mean audio messages? I was 
> thinking it maybe handy for video calls to my sister in the UK as she hasn’t 
> got an iPhone or a Mac so we can’t do FaceTime. 
> 
>> On 19/03/2019, at 5:35 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi Petrus. I do have an app called WhatsApp Desktop on my Mac. It's ok but 
>> you can't listen to messages with the app. Haven't found one that will let 
>> me do this so for now I'd just use the app on your phone.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
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>>> On Mar 14, 2019, at 8:28 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> I installed Whats App on my iPhone this morning, so you can imagine I 
>>> haven’t used it yet. But it looks pretty straight forward.  If I like it I 
>>> might grab the App for the Mac as well? But I had a look in the App Store 
>>> on the Mac and there seems to be a few choices, some free and some paid. 
>>> What is the best one to use?  
>>> I’m only thinking of Whats App as I’m thinking of deleting my Facebook 
>>> account as I’ve never really liked it much, but I do use the messenger side 
>>> of it. 
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Re: Whats App

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Hi Petrus. I do have an app called WhatsApp Desktop on my Mac. It's ok but you 
can't listen to messages with the app. Haven't found one that will let me do 
this so for now I'd just use the app on your phone.

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> On Mar 14, 2019, at 8:28 PM, Petrus Tuerlings  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> I installed Whats App on my iPhone this morning, so you can imagine I haven’t 
> used it yet. But it looks pretty straight forward.  If I like it I might grab 
> the App for the Mac as well? But I had a look in the App Store on the Mac and 
> there seems to be a few choices, some free and some paid. What is the best 
> one to use?  
> I’m only thinking of Whats App as I’m thinking of deleting my Facebook 
> account as I’ve never really liked it much, but I do use the messenger side 
> of it. 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader

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Nope, no Voice Dream Reader for Mac.

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> On Feb 21, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Matt Turner  wrote:
> 
> Just curious, are the audiobooks from txt files?
> I have a lot of fanfics I’d like to convert to audio, so that I can listen on 
> my phone, or NLS player.
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2019, at 4:00 AM, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Petrus,
>>  
>> Is itunes not working for you as a audio book reader.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
>> Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2019 12:30 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Voice Dream Reader
>>  
>> Hi again,
>> Thanks to Tim I’ve managed to start downloading my audio books into iTunes. 
>> I also have some audio books in Voice Dream Reader on my iPhone and was 
>> wondering if there Is a Voice Dream Reader App for the Mac? I did try and 
>> look in the App Store b ut it is to confusing. 
>> Petrus  
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Re: Radio player for the Mac?

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Well, it depends on if you want a free or paid app. For paid apps, I use Radium 
most of the time because not only can you listen to free radio stations, but it 
also lets you listen to subscription based radio services like SiriusXM. It's a 
bit pricy, but the $10 is definitely worth it. For free apps, My Tuner Radio is 
pretty good. You can also listen to podcasts as well as radio stations. Hope 
this helps.

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> On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:47 PM, Matt Turner  wrote:
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> Hi folks.
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Re: Accessible games for mac

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Dead? What do you mean? I played RS Games last night and it was fine.

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> On Feb 7, 2019, at 3:47 PM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> ok, but what are all these things?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2019, at 8:01 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If you want ones with sounds, there is 
>> Alteraeon <https://gitlab.com/stormdragon2976/tintin-alteraeon>
>> Kalisti <https://gitlab.com/hjozwiak/tintin-kallisti-pack>
>> 
>> Note that you’ll need Homebrew installed, gnu-utils, gnu-sed, and Tintin 
>> installd.
>>> On Feb 7, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Ramy Moustafa >> <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ok, and where can i find these text games please?
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 7, 2019, at 7:51 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Space games? There is cosmic rage.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 7, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Ramy Moustafa >>>> <mailto:ramy.moustaf...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can we find a game it’s was like Meriani or something?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 7, 2019, at 3:46 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If people like text-based games, there a few sound packs for MUD’s which 
>>>>>> use Tintin++, the MUD client.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 7, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Oriol Gómez >>>>>> <mailto:ogomez@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> rs_games is sort of dead I think
>>>>>>> as for accessible audiogames, you have games like Beatstar from Oriol
>>>>>>> Góme (me) at www.oriolgomez.com <http://www.oriolgomez.com/>
>>>>>>> the great toy robbery from l-works.net <http://l-works.net/> and a few 
>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2/7/19, RATTRAY, JULIE >>>>>> <mailto:julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Fab thanks for the suggestion will check it out
>>>>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
>>>>>>>> Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
>>>>>>>> School of Education
>>>>>>>> Durham University
>>>>>>>> Leazes Road
>>>>>>>> DURHAM
>>>>>>>> DH1 1TA
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Tel: 0191 3348249
>>>>>>>> Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk><mailto:julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk>>
>>>>>>>> Twitter @joolsled
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 6 Feb 2019, at 06:49, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries
>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Have you tried RS Games? You can download the client at
>>>>>>>> rsgames.org <http://rsgames.org/><http://rsgames.org/ 
>>>>>>>> <http://rsgames.org/>>.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Shawn,
>>>>>>>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>>>>>>>> 
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>>&

Re: Accessible games for mac

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Have you tried RS Games? You can download the client at rsgames.org 
.

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> On Feb 4, 2019, at 3:28 PM, RATTRAY, JULIE  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> I was wondering if anyone could recommend any good accessible games for the 
> Mac - 
> Best wishes
> Julie
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> Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
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Re: Does anyone know if it’s possible to play your iTunes library using Alexa?

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Hi Donna. Unfortunately Apple Music on alexa is only available on Echo devices. 
So I guess no Sonos support yet.
 

Sent from my iPhone

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> Hey Shawn,
> 
> Well, it seems that we--or at least some of us--in the U.S. don't get it 
> either.
> 
> I have Apple Music linked to Alexa on my phone, but when I try to play it on 
> the Sonos 1 using Alexa, she says "Apple Music is not supported on this 
> device.  To play Apple Music, I actually have to use Siri on my phone with 
> AirPlay.  Pretty Lame, imho.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 15, 2019, at 1:22 AM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Simon. We countries that don't have the initials USA in their names don't 
>> get Apple Music on the Echo just yet. Don't know why but that's Apple and 
>> Amazon for ya.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Shawn,
>> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
>> 
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2019, at 12:05 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> From your phone yes, anything that is internal to your phones music 
>>> collection  you can play through alexa.
>>> 
>>> Also apple music is available through amazon alexa now or at least on echo 
>>> devices.
>>> 
>>> I've been trying to get my itunes library from my server to be seen by my 
>>> echo but I've had no luck.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
>>> Sent: Monday, 14 January 2019 4:53 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Does anyone know if it’s possible to play your iTunes library 
>>> using Alexa?
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> After about a month of trying to set up a smart home using Apple home, my 
>>> husband and I have finally given up and gone with Alexa. I would very much 
>>> like to be able to play my iTunes library on our Alexa device. Does anyone 
>>> know if there’s a way to do this?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Does anyone know if it’s possible to play your iTunes library using Alexa?

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Simon. We countries that don't have the initials USA in their names don't 
get Apple Music on the Echo just yet. Don't know why but that's Apple and 
Amazon for ya.

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

> On Jan 14, 2019, at 12:05 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> From your phone yes, anything that is internal to your phones music 
> collection  you can play through alexa.
> 
> Also apple music is available through amazon alexa now or at least on echo 
> devices.
> 
> I've been trying to get my itunes library from my server to be seen by my 
> echo but I've had no luck.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Monday, 14 January 2019 4:53 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Does anyone know if it’s possible to play your iTunes library using 
> Alexa?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> After about a month of trying to set up a smart home using Apple home, my 
> husband and I have finally given up and gone with Alexa. I would very much 
> like to be able to play my iTunes library on our Alexa device. Does anyone 
> know if there’s a way to do this?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: Team viewer or what can we use?

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all. I find that when using FaceTime, nobody can hear my computer and I 
can't hear their's. Because of this, I recommend you use Skype if you need to 
hear the other computer. This is if both parties are using Facetime on Macs. 
However, if both of you use Facetime on your iPhones, you won't have this issue.

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

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> On Nov 26, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> If you mean, can you read his ID and password, no. They are the two things 
> you need to be able to connect. Your friend will need someone to read them 
> out to you. However, the ID never changes, it’s just the password that 
> changes with each session.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 26 Nov 2018, at 18:27, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Aha, will give it a try, 
>> just a quick question here, in the scroll eria that represents his computer, 
>> is it accessible when the VOice over speaks on his computer?
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:24 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Could he use Siri to turn VoiceOver on?
>>> You have to turn VO off on your computer to be able to use VO to pilot his.
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 26 Nov 2018, at 18:02, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
 
 Hi:
 
 i wa using the Facetime with the other partner, but the idea is that even 
 his Voice over was not talking. is there a setting or something that i 
 should do?
 
 
> On Nov 26, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> I use TeamViewer and Skype together. Skype allows me to hear VoiceOver on 
> the slave computer.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 26 Nov 2018, at 15:08, Ramy Moustafa  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> One of my friends has problems in his mac. i need to use any Remote app 
>> to be able to help him from my Home.
>> I tried Team viewer but Voice over did not speak in his computer after 
>> connecting.
>> so, is there any other alternatives?
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