Re: Problem reseting touch ID with stolen device protection on.

[Dave Carlson]

Paul,
Aren’t you supposed first to disable that protection feature before adding a 
fingerprint? And of course that protection needs to be turned off when you are 
at your home location.

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On May 15, 2024, at 8:22 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:

Hello,
I have a backup iPhone SE 2020 just updated to IOS 17.5. Touch ID no longer 
works so I need to reset it by adding a new fingerprint. I have stolen device 
protection set on which means that I have to do Touch ID to let me add a 
fingerprint!
This iPhone SE is my backup phone and has been in a desk drawer at home for 
ages and has not left home for weeks. I have just left it switched on for an 
hour or so in the hope that it would then let me add the new fingerprint, but 
no luck.
Any ideas on how to solve this problem?
Many thanks … Paul Hopewell

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Re: Browsing Time Machine

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Ian,

That may work, but I think first you need to select the backup file and open 
the image mounter to get it added to the desktop.

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On May 12, 2024, at 10:41 AM, Ian Robinson  wrote:

When I’ve checked my own Time Machine backups, the easiest way seems to be to 
open the drive and navigate the folders in Finder in the usual way.

My Time Machine drive is set to show up on the Desktop. 
After pressing Command+o on the drive, there was a list of folders named with 
the date of the various backups, with the newest at the bottom of the list.
Within each of the folders there was a Data folder.
The contents of the Data folder is the same as the SSD of the MacBook. I could 
navigate to my user folder and open Documents, Downloads, etc. I didn’t 
actually try copying anything from the backup at the time.

Ian




> On 12 May 2024, at 17:19, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> E.T.
> 
> Here’s a text file I copied a few years back. Process seems a bit squirrely 
> but I think I’ve managed to use it a couple times.
> 
> Restore a File Using Time Machine
> 
> Position on desired folder
> Extras menu, Time Machine
> Enter Time Machine; wait until finished
> Control-Option F1
> Finder in Time Machine
> Control-Option F2 Twice (or for me, Opt-W) for window chooser
> Arrow down to Time Machine Controls
> Press Enter
> Gives a most recent date
> Control-Option LeftArrow
> Brings up Timeline
> Control-Option DownArrow
> Find a backup date of interest
> Ctrl-Option J to Jump to list
> Arrow to find desired file
> Ctrl-Opt F2 twice (Opt-w) to window list to find Time Machine Controls
> Ctrl-Opt UpArrow to dismiss backup list
> Ctrl-Option Right arrow to Restore button
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
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> 
> 
> 
> On May 11, 2024, at 2:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Hello,
>  When selecting this option from the status bar, how does one navigate the 
> backup? I was trying to find a particular folder in the Finder. Thanks.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
> -Helen Keller
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Re: Browsing Time Machine

[Dave Carlson]

E.T.

Here’s a text file I copied a few years back. Process seems a bit squirrely but 
I think I’ve managed to use it a couple times.

Restore a File Using Time Machine

Position on desired folder
Extras menu, Time Machine
Enter Time Machine; wait until finished
Control-Option F1
Finder in Time Machine
Control-Option F2 Twice (or for me, Opt-W) for window chooser
Arrow down to Time Machine Controls
Press Enter
Gives a most recent date
Control-Option LeftArrow
Brings up Timeline
Control-Option DownArrow
Find a backup date of interest
Ctrl-Option J to Jump to list
Arrow to find desired file
Ctrl-Opt F2 twice (Opt-w) to window list to find Time Machine Controls
Ctrl-Opt UpArrow to dismiss backup list
Ctrl-Option Right arrow to Restore button


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Hello,
  When selecting this option from the status bar, how does one navigate the 
backup? I was trying to find a particular folder in the Finder. Thanks.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: anchor power bank A1647

[Dave Carlson]

Patrick,

Make sure there isn’t a small hinged door in one corner that has a short cable 
tuncked inside.

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On May 8, 2024, at 10:45 AM, ngc5055 via MacVisionaries 
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Hi,
I am trying to understand the anchor power bank I just received.
It says it has a usb-c cable with it but it does not. Does anyone know how to 
charge a phone with this power bank? Thanks.
Patrick 

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Re: Adding Insert Key

[Dave Carlson]

E.T. thanks. I’ll try to keep this for when I take the VMWare plunge.

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On May 8, 2024, at 6:40 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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  You bet. Here are the steps for adding the Insert key.

"To Map NVDA Modifier Key-
 Click "Add" button.

 In "From" combo box press Accent key.

 In "To" combo box, interact with it, press VO-Space; on button, list of keys 
appears. Arrow to 'Insert', then stop interacting twice. The end result should 
be that the "To" combo box is set to 'Insert'.

 Click OK

 Interact with Key Mappings table and verify the key you just added is correct.

 Close VMware settings."

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On 5/7/2024 9:50 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> OK,
> Can you share your notes?
> For now, I'm using a full size windows keyboard.
> Thanks,
> Rob
> On 5/7/2024 11:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Found some old notes and got that done using Insert.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>  -Helen Keller
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 5/7/2024 6:51 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> What about using the caps lock key as the NVDA Key?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/7/2024 9:37 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>In VMware Fusion 12.x for the Mac, I need to add a command that uses 
>>>> the insert key for NVDA. I cannot remember how to add that insert. Thanks 
>>>> for the help.
>>>> 
>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>>>  -Helen Keller
>>>> My e-Mail:
>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Adding Insert Key

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E.T.

Please share what your notes told you.

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On May 7, 2024, at 8:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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  Found some old notes and got that done using Insert.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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On 5/7/2024 6:51 PM, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> What about using the caps lock key as the NVDA Key?
> On 5/7/2024 9:37 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hello,
>>In VMware Fusion 12.x for the Mac, I need to add a command that uses the 
>> insert key for NVDA. I cannot remember how to add that insert. Thanks for 
>> the help.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> "Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much."
>>  -Helen Keller
>> My e-Mail:
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 

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Re: which power bank for iPhone S E

[Dave Carlson]

Patrick,
All iPhones will handle the same voltage supplied by the power banks. Just make 
sure your cable can connect to the power bank you choose. Different power banks 
have different output connectors.

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On May 5, 2024, at 8:44 AM, ngc5055 via MacVisionaries 
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Ok thanks but my problem is that when I search for the power banks there is a 
list of which phones can be used - I have not found one yet that states the SE 
is compatible.
Thanks,
patrick 

> On May 5, 2024, at 11:41 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I think any of them should do the job nicely.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2024, at 10:39, ngc5055 via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> Does anyone know which Anchor poer bank charges an Iphone SE 2020?
> Thanks.
> Patrick 
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Re: Amazon Shopping

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E T,

I use it all the time on iPHone. It is an easier interface, less eye-candy. I 
think some time ago I gave you info on how to easily look at your recent 
orders. There are tabs at the bottom of the screen, the lower right is “menu”
Click on that, and then drag your finger up the very left side of your screen 
until you hit orders..
As to shopping, finding the search field is not quick, but a few swipes from 
the top should get you there. Then I use headings search to find each of the 
located items and click on those of interest. BTW I t my gestures for a 
two-finger swipe left/right to be headings search, since I use that all the 
time. This was a Jonathan Mosen suggestion.
In any case, Amazon is quite friendly in iOS>

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On Apr 24, 2024, at 10:13 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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Hello all,
  Have always used the computer for this. But want to know what the experience 
is like on the iPhone or iPad is like. Anything to watch for? I may give it a 
try. Thanks.

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Re: Not Responding Errors

[Dave Carlson]

E T,
I also have a dual OS boot setup, using both Sonoma and Mojave on the same HDD. 
This may not be the same issue, but I will always get a message that I cannot 
connect to iCloud after switching from Sonoma to Mojave. It requires I sign in 
again with my Apple ID in System Preferences to resolve the issue. Then when I 
go back to Sonoma, I get the message again.
I’ve not bothered to mess with this, but I’m thinking it’s because my computer 
name is the same in both OS, (or is that really the name of my hardware?) and I 
think the Apple eco-system is balking at the idea that there are two computer 
names for the same hardware and different OS so that it needs to re-authorize 
them?
As said, I don’t bother with it, since when I do go to Mojave it’s specifically 
for using Overdrive and iTunes for audio books, and then I get out of there 
back to Sonoma as quickly as I can.

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Hello all,
  After reinstalling Ventura 13.6.6, I am getting the Not Responding dialog. 
I'm surmising the Mail, Message, TV, and Music apps are trying to access my 
Apple ID credentials. From System settings, I can sign in and out just fine. So 
there must be a setting for this which I cannot find. Can use some guidance on 
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Re: iCloud Drive

[Dave Carlson]

Interesting….

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On Apr 15, 2024, at 7:58 AM, 'jason' via MacVisionaries 
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https://larryjordan.com/articles/does-time-machine-backup-icloud-data/
 
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Subject: iCloud Drive

Hello, Where are the contents of iCloud Drive found in Time Machine backups? I 
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Re: Another Tough One

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I am recalling that it might have something to do with running the disk 
utility? Because in that mode, I think in the Apple menu of the disk utility 
there is something there for restarting from or installing from a different 
source. Sorry I haven’t done this recently enough to remember. Good luck.
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   Adding some information. 2020 MBP Mac that has the T2 chip. I had gone into 
Startup Security Utility and changed the setting to allow access to external 
drives. After that though, I could not get to where I could access the 
installer.

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> LlerThis should not be too hard? Let’s see. I need to reinstall Ventura. 
> I have the USB installer plugged. What is the next steps I need to take? 
> Thanks very much.
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Re: Hiding preview pane in Mail?

[Dave Carlson]

Christina,
Horizontal vs. Vertical depends on how you have mail set up. If preview is at 
the bottom, then horizontal. If preview is to the right, then vertical.

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On Apr 6, 2024, at 3:59 PM, Christina  wrote:

Isn’t it supposed to be the horizontal splitter? You said Vertical Splitter. 
That might be why some can’t get it to 100 percent. I was able to get the 
Horizontal splitter to 100% and my Preview pane is gone.

Christina

> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:14 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> I have no explanation.
> Mine is at 100%, and when I put focus on the splitter, I hear “Horizontal 
> Splitter, collapsed on bottom”.
> I am running Sonoma 14.4.1, but I don’t think the version matters because I 
> have been doing this since Mountain Lion, macOS 10.8.
> I am using Column layout, formerly known as Classic View.
> Perhaps that makes a difference.
> 
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> On Mar 29, 2024, at 08:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Brad,
> 
> Katherine’s raised my curiosity, so I tried this.  It would only increase to 
> 45%.  Still running Big Sur.
> Donna
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> 
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2024, at 8:41 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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>> Try interacting with the vertical splitter, and take it to 100%.
>> This means that the message list will take up 100% of the area, and the 
>> preview pain will be gone.
>> 
>> HTH.
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>> Hi, please can anyone tell me if/how it’s possible to hide the preview pane 
>> in Mail on the Mac?  I believe sighted users can do this by altering the 
>> divider line by dragging it. With VoiceOver, I interact with a vertical 
>> splitter, but cannot get it any less than 29%, so the preview pane is still 
>> showing.  Any ideas?
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Re: M3 15-inch MacBook Air vs M3 14-inch MacBook Pro -- Comparison

[Dave Carlson]

Brad,

Then why on earth did Apple decide that there was something distinctive about 
an Air vs. Pro? Simply size and weight? Color choices? Is this a parallel to 
the iPhone and - Pro vs. SE?

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On Mar 14, 2024, at 11:00 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

Never was.

- Brad -



On Mar 14, 2024, at 23:53, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Brad,
Thanks for this. Saw it after my question post Air vs. Pro. But still I wonder 
the use case. I used to think that the Air was designed to pull everything it 
needed to run (programs/apps) from the Internet, so not needing to store 
anything large on the machine except for data and personalizations. Is that no 
longer the push?

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M3 15-inch MacBook Air vs M3 14-inch MacBook Pro -- Comparison... 
https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/03/13/m3-15-inch-macbook-air-vs-m3-14-inch-macbook-procomparison


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Re: M3 15-inch MacBook Air vs M3 14-inch MacBook Pro -- Comparison

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Brad,
Thanks for this. Saw it after my question post Air vs. Pro. But still I wonder 
the use case. I used to think that the Air was designed to pull everything it 
needed to run (programs/apps) from the Internet, so not needing to store 
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M3 15-inch MacBook Air vs M3 14-inch MacBook Pro -- Comparison... 
https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/03/13/m3-15-inch-macbook-air-vs-m3-14-inch-macbook-procomparison


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Air vs. Pro

[Dave Carlson]

I’ve often wondered what are the use cases for having a MacBook Air vs. a 
MacBook Pro. Which is better for what purpose?

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Re: Anyone else using Apple Pay or an Apple Card?

[Dave Carlson]

Anders,
In your wallet, have you assigned a particular payment type to be your choice 
for Apple Pay?

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On Mar 10, 2024, at 8:45 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Ok, but there’s a pay with Apple Pay button on my Apple Store.
Bless.
/A

> 7 mars 2024 kl. 15:22 skrev Brad Snyder :
> 
> The Apple Store app does not use Apple Pay.
> It uses the default payment you have on file in your Apple ID.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Mar 7, 2024, at 06:41, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> The only issue I have is when buying something in the Apple Store app.
> I don’t get how to pay when buying some thing there.
> Bless.
> /A
> 
>> 6 mars 2024 kl. 20:29 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> Thanks so much for all this information.  I’ve never experienced fraud, but 
>> my husband has—a work study student stole his credit card.
>> 
>> I get the being tired thing, and sometimes you end up having to try and make 
>> decisions not under the best of circumstances.  I just hired a driver in 
>> Sicily for our trip this summer.  He used a payment service that I was 
>> completely unfamiliar with, which isn’t to say they aren’t legit, but making 
>> that purchase felt risky.  So, my way of saying, that tired or not, we all 
>> have those moments and experiences. 
>> 
>> I actually really like the idea that the Apple Card notifies you when a 
>> purchase is made.  At least that way if there is fraud, you’re more likely 
>> to catch it quickly.  In general, I don’t really like the idea of getting an 
>> additional credit card, but the instant notifications might be enough to 
>> make me reconsider that. :)
>> Thanks again,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Mar 6, 2024, at 1:19 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I feel the need to explain this a little better.  It is not my intention at 
>>> all to trash the Apple Card.  I still use it frequently and have put some 
>>> major purchases on it.  It is easy to set up and use.  I feel confident 
>>> that I always know exactly what is going on and that I have a lot of 
>>> control, something I have not always felt when dealing with credit cards.  
>>> I still recommend the Apple Card for VoiceOver users.  It is amazingly 
>>> easy.  
>>> 
>>> But I had the misfortunate to make an ill-advised transaction on a site 
>>> that turned out to be fraudulent.  I was tired and in a hurry and did not 
>>> use good judgment, which is a major way that scams and fraud happen.  I 
>>> tried to use two credit cards because I thought I just didn’t have the 
>>> right number for one of them.  This is why I am comparing the two cards, 
>>> Chase and Apple, because both frauds happened at the same time.  Both 
>>> companies were extremely courteous and professional when I spoke with them. 
>>>  And ultimately, I did not lose any money, so I feel confident that I can 
>>> use cards from both these companies.  The Apple Card in particularly sent 
>>> me a notification that there was a charge, and when I looked it was a 
>>> charge I had not made.  The only difference was that Chase never allowed 
>>> the fraudulent charge in the first place, while I actually had to contest 
>>> the charges with Apple.  This took a couple of weeks and was resolved 
>>> quickly and painlessly.  I am still happy with my Apple Card.  But I do 
>>> think it is  relevant that their fraud protection was not quite as 
>>> responsive.  So I guess what I am saying is that if you think you might 
>>> have been defrauded for any reason, pay attention to those notifications 
>>> and take the time to go into the Wallet app and look around.  If it does 
>>> happen, you will not wind up losing the money.  They are very professional 
>>> about it.  But Apple Pay and the Apple Card are the easiest and most 
>>> accessible ways to pay for anything that I can think of.  
>>> 
>>> I hope this clears it up.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 6, 2024, at 11:12 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have never had any problems with Apple Pay on my phone, which is the 
>>>> only place I use it. I do use the Apple Card for a lot of things and I 
>>>> love it, because you immediately know when anything was charged to your 
>>>> card. I don’t get that same thing with any other card, so I really 
>>>> appreciate The immediate notificati

Re: Zoom H1 essential recorder with voice guidance

[Dave Carlson]

Phil,

>From what I’ve heard, this unit is supposed to come up talking from the very 
>first turn-on. Then a sighted user can turn that feature off. Wonder if You 
>got one that was returned after someone disabled speech?

Dave Carlson
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On Mar 9, 2024, at 11:52 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:

I saw this new recorder from Zoom in the 80 guys bulletin and so I picked one 
up and it just arrived. Unfortunately the manuals are crap. Although, I think I 
can suss out the various buttons and such. The problem is knowing how to 
operate the menu system. I think you first have to go in and activate The voice 
guidance, kinda like turning on voiceover for the first time. Is anybody else 
using this recorder? I’m not gonna send it back right away, I’ll mess around 
with it but I think I may have made a mistake purchase here. Please let me know 
if you’re using it. 
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Re: Adding Fields in Contacts

[Dave Carlson]

E.T.,

Interesting. I had to go look myself, and sure enough, there under another menu 
are these. I suspect that phonetic would allow writing the name in a format  
for better understanding. Likely this would just add to the same contact and 
not allow any other separate fields. I may explore this to see what it does.

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On Dec 22, 2023, at 9:05 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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Hello all,
  On the iPhone I have one contact for a business that has a person's name with 
his email and the name of the company. I wish to add another name  and his 
email address.

  I clicked add a field which brought up several choices. Can someone clarify 
what for example, phonetic first name and pronuciation firest name would do? 
And would I be able to add an email address to this new name? Thanks much.

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Re: MAC BOOK AIR NOW MAKING KEYBOARD SOUNDS

[Dave Carlson]

Yes, if you read your previous message you will see that it is in all caps.

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On Nov 28, 2023, at 5:58 AM, Patrick Ford  wrote:

John wow thanks, I never had this experience before  - now I know what to do 
...yeah it worked 
Patrick 

> On Nov 28, 2023, at 8:55 AM, John Dowling <1008...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I think you may have capslock turned on. Trying turning it off and see if the 
> sound goes away.
> 
> John Dowling, JR.
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>> On Nov 28, 2023, at 07:46, Patrick Ford  wrote:
>> 
>> HI,
>> TODAY MY KEYBOARD ON MY MAC BOOK AIR M1  IS MAKING SOUNDS AS I TYPE. HOW DO 
>> I TURN THIS OFF? THANKS.
>> PATRICK 
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Re: Can I stop the double-finger double-tap from playing music in iOS 16?

[Dave Carlson]

Doug,
I don’t know of any easier way to clear the playback queue. Some apps like 
Blind Square use this audio channel, but when it closes, it leafes it blank. 
Another messy solution…

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On Nov 24, 2023, at 7:14 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:

Ah, good to know without making a mess to find out. :)

Last question then: Is there an easier way to clear the playback controls from 
the lock screen? Currently I
load and then close the Music app to get that done.

On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 07:11:12PM -0800, Dave Carlson wrote:
  Doug,

  No. Don’t delete the app. The unfortunate answer is that whatever media
  is remaining  will. Play as default. You can see what that is if you go
  to the control center and swipe to media to see what’s I the queue.
  Only answer is to use another media (audio books, podcast, YouTube
  video, etc.) as your last thing played, and that will live in the queue
  until replaced by something else.

  Dave Carlson
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  On Nov 24, 2023, at 7:02 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
  Do you know if any possible good for me, or bad, would come from my
  deleting the Music app? That was my only
  guess before asking, but I haven't tried that yet and I also have never
  had reason to check what happens if I
  later want it back, unlikely though that probably is.
  On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 06:55:58PM -0800, Gabe Griffith wrote:
  Hi Doug,
  As far as I know there is not a way to edit the functions of the magic
  tap gesture.
  Gabe
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On Nov 24, 2023, at 6:53 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
Kind of you to answer, and quickly indeed. I forgot the name "magic
tap" somehow, but I do know it is a
multi-function gesture.
But my actual question is, can I somehow remove from its set of
active functions the activation of the Music
app and its controls, which happens even if I have no music to play
in some cases. I don't use my phone for
music; I use other devices for that. When I think focus is in an
edit field but it's not, I know the gesture
will not activate dictation. But I'm asking how to keep the gesture,
at that time, from instead activating
Music controls, and sound if there's anything to play.
Thanks again.
On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 06:44:38PM -0800, Gabe Griffith wrote:
Hi,
The two finger gesture you are referring to is known as a magic tap.
The reason for this is that it does several things. It will answer
or hang up a call, it will start and stop dictation, and it will
start and stop media from playing. If you want to use it for
dictation you will need to be sure the edit field, whether a text
message or an email or something else, is activated. If it isn't and
you perform the to finger double tap then that is when your media
such as music will start playing.
I hope that helps,
Gabe
Gabe Griffith
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gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org

On Nov 24, 2023, at 4:37 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
I am using iOS 16 because I have an iPhone X, but I think what
follows also applies to iOS 17.
As of an update or few ago, there is a sequence I commonly perform
which results in surprise music; so I am
wanting to know how to stop the double-finger double-tap from
starting music playback. I have two reasons:
First of course to avoid startling myself and sometimes interfering
with dictation that I was actually trying
to start. Also though, I don't want the music controls on my lock
screen, as clearing them requires me to
launch and then close the Music app. These controls appear on my
lock screen even if there is no music to
play, so just clearing my library will not fully solve this problem.
The sequence that bites me so often, for anyone curious:
* Open iMessage and activate a specific conversation.
* Move to and double-tap the typing area. Focus should land in it
but now often then moves immediately to the
last message.
* Do a double-finger double-tap to start receiving dictation speech,
assuming focus is where I put it. When
it's not, I get the surprise.
Any info most welcome.

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Re: Can I stop the double-finger double-tap from playing music in iOS 16?

[Dave Carlson]

Doug,

No. Don’t delete the app. The unfortunate answer is that whatever media is 
remaining  will. Play as default. You can see what that is if you go to the 
control center and swipe to media to see what’s I the queue. Only answer is to 
use another media (audio books, podcast, YouTube video, etc.) as your last 
thing played, and that will live in the queue until replaced by something else.

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On Nov 24, 2023, at 7:02 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:

Do you know if any possible good for me, or bad, would come from my deleting 
the Music app? That was my only
guess before asking, but I haven't tried that yet and I also have never had 
reason to check what happens if I
later want it back, unlikely though that probably is.

On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 06:55:58PM -0800, Gabe Griffith wrote:
Hi Doug, 

As far as I know there is not a way to edit the functions of the magic tap 
gesture. 

Gabe 


Gabe Griffith 
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(925)222-5762
gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org


> On Nov 24, 2023, at 6:53 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
> 
> Kind of you to answer, and quickly indeed. I forgot the name "magic tap" 
> somehow, but I do know it is a
> multi-function gesture.
> 
> But my actual question is, can I somehow remove from its set of active 
> functions the activation of the Music
> app and its controls, which happens even if I have no music to play in some 
> cases. I don't use my phone for
> music; I use other devices for that. When I think focus is in an edit field 
> but it's not, I know the gesture
> will not activate dictation. But I'm asking how to keep the gesture, at that 
> time, from instead activating
> Music controls, and sound if there's anything to play.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 06:44:38PM -0800, Gabe Griffith wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The two finger gesture you are referring to is known as a magic tap. The 
> reason for this is that it does several things. It will answer or hang up a 
> call, it will start and stop dictation, and it will start and stop media from 
> playing. If you want to use it for dictation you will need to be sure the 
> edit field, whether a text message or an email or something else, is 
> activated. If it isn't and you perform the to finger double tap then that is 
> when your media such as music will start playing.
> 
> I hope that helps,
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> Gabe Griffith
> President, California Council of the Blind
> (925)222-5762
> gabe.griff...@ccbnet.org
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2023, at 4:37 PM, Doug Lee  wrote:
>> 
>> I am using iOS 16 because I have an iPhone X, but I think what follows also 
>> applies to iOS 17.
>> 
>> As of an update or few ago, there is a sequence I commonly perform which 
>> results in surprise music; so I am
>> wanting to know how to stop the double-finger double-tap from starting music 
>> playback. I have two reasons:
>> First of course to avoid startling myself and sometimes interfering with 
>> dictation that I was actually trying
>> to start. Also though, I don't want the music controls on my lock screen, as 
>> clearing them requires me to
>> launch and then close the Music app. These controls appear on my lock screen 
>> even if there is no music to
>> play, so just clearing my library will not fully solve this problem.
>> 
>> The sequence that bites me so often, for anyone curious:
>> * Open iMessage and activate a specific conversation.
>> * Move to and double-tap the typing area. Focus should land in it but now 
>> often then moves immediately to the
>> last message.
>> * Do a double-finger double-tap to start receiving dictation speech, 
>> assuming focus is where I put it. When
>> it's not, I get the surprise.
>> 
>> Any info most welcome.

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Re: Accessible robot vacuum cleaners.

[Dave Carlson]

iRobot Roomba app is very accessible.

Dave Carlson
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On Nov 24, 2023, at 3:02 AM, Steve Z.  wrote:

Hi list, first of all, I’m sorry for the off-topic question.
I would like to know which robot vacuum cleaner is accessible with voiceover, 
since they all use apps, and how much accessible. for example, what we can, and 
cannot do.
Thanks in advance


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Re: on screen keyboard

[Dave Carlson]

Dave,
Confused. Why or where is it necessary to have the on screen keyboard show when 
there is no active edit field? Not sure I understand.

Dave Carlson
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On Nov 23, 2023, at 8:34 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:

hi, 

Yes, I've always had the keyboard show up whenever an edit field is active 
also. This is new behavior.  I forgot to mention that I have rebooted my phone 
and that brings back the keyboard but that seems to only be temporary.

Thanks, 


Gabe 


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> On Nov 23, 2023, at 8:17 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Try turning off bluetooth on the iPhone.
> This should help determine if the issue has to do with a bluetooth device.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2023, at 21:54, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> I would think the keyboard should show up whenever there is an edit field 
>> and it is active. I have not seen this behavior with iOS 17.1.1. Also iPhone 
>> 14 Pro.
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 23, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all, 
>> 
>> Ever since I updated to iOS 17 I have been having an issue where my on 
>> screen keboard doesn't show up on my iPhone 14 Pro. I Thought it might be an 
>> iOS 17 thing or have to do with my having a couple of different braille 
>> displays connected but my fiance just got a new 14 Pro yesterday and is 
>> occasionally having the same issue and she most definitely doesn't have any 
>> keyboards or braille displays connected to her phone 
>> 
>> Does anyone have any thoughts on what would cause this and how to get the 
>> keyboard to show up? I generally use braille screen input so can get around 
>> it when typing but it makes things quite difficult for things like getting 
>> to a web site or performing a product search in apps. 
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> 
>> Gabe 
>> 
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Re: on screen keyboard

[Dave Carlson]

I would think the keyboard should show up whenever there is an edit field and 
it is active. I have not seen this behavior with iOS 17.1.1. Also iPhone 14 Pro.

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On Nov 23, 2023, at 7:46 PM, Gabe Griffith  wrote:

Hello all, 

Ever since I updated to iOS 17 I have been having an issue where my on screen 
keboard doesn't show up on my iPhone 14 Pro. I Thought it might be an iOS 17 
thing or have to do with my having a couple of different braille displays 
connected but my fiance just got a new 14 Pro yesterday and is occasionally 
having the same issue and she most definitely doesn't have any keyboards or 
braille displays connected to her phone 

Does anyone have any thoughts on what would cause this and how to get the 
keyboard to show up? I generally use braille screen input so can get around it 
when typing but it makes things quite difficult for things like getting to a 
web site or performing a product search in apps. 

Thanks, 

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Re: Using Touch ID with sudo in MacOS Sonoma

[Dave Carlson]

Well, that makes thing a little more clear, but after I do the cp command, 
where do I find the file that I need to edit? And what do I do when it’s done?

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On Oct 26, 2023, at 8:39 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
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Dave Carlson writes:
> Sorry, I can’t figure out exactly what to do with this, even though it sounds 
> useful. Can you give step-by-step instructions for me, not being a terminal 
> whiz-bang?
> 

OK. Try this ...

Launch the Terminal, perhaps using Spotlight. This will put you at a
command prompt.

sudo -i
You're prompted for your ordinary user password. Enter it and press enter.

cd /etc/pam.d/
This puts you in the pam.d folder which inside the /etc folder. NOTE: On
the command line we typically call folders directories.

ccp -a sudo_local.template  sudo_local
This creates a copy of the template file with the .template extension.

Launch your favorite text editor, navigate to the very last line in the
file, and delete the octothorp character, also called a pound sign or a
hash mark that is the first character of the last line of text in the
file.

Save, noting that the file is write protected, so you'll need to issue
the appropriate over-ride to actually write. I use vim, so my command to
accomplish that is :w!

hth

Janina

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Re: Using Touch ID with sudo in MacOS Sonoma

[Dave Carlson]

Sorry, I can’t figure out exactly what to do with this, even though it sounds 
useful. Can you give step-by-step instructions for me, not being a terminal 
whiz-bang?

Dave Carlson
Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
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On Oct 23, 2023, at 6:35 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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There’s an interesting but not much publicized new feature in MacOS Sonoma: you 
can enable Touch ID to be used with the sudo command, and this configuration 
change persists across operating system updates.
To make the change, copy /etc/pam.d/sudo_local.template to  sudo_local in the 
same directory, then edit it and uncomment the last line.
When you use the sudo command, instead of a password prompt, you’ll be 
presented with a VoiceOver-accessible dialogue that prompts you to use Touch ID 
for authentication.

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Re: tabbing issue in e-mail under Ventura

[Dave Carlson]

Tom, for me, no advantage. Since I leave it open, I hear the first several 
lines of a message as I move up the list. Then I can decide  if I want to open 
and read the entire message. Also, it will mark the message as read  so it 
helps with my rules to move them to an appropriate folder automatically. Keeps 
the archives mailbox clean. I have my archives mailbox set to show only unread 
messages.

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On Oct 12, 2023, at 3:35 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:

Is there any advantage to hiding that panel for sighted or blind?


> On Oct 11, 2023, at 6:45 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Yes, it is pretty much a visual thing unless the slider is set to a position 
> that closes the panel. Then the panel is non-existent to voiceover or to a 
> visual user.
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> 
> On Oct 11, 2023, at 07:19, Tom Rash  wrote:
> 
> Is that more of a visual thing , or does adjusting that affect what is 
> actually visible to read?
> 
> 
>> On Oct 9, 2023, at 8:36 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> The splitter between the Mailbox table, and the Mailbox list table, 
>> determines how wide the Mailbox table is.
>> Interact with the splitter to adjust.
>> Splitter to the right of the Mailbox list table, will adjust the width of 
>> the Mail Preview area.
>> Again, interact with the splitter to adjust.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 9, 2023, at 22:25, Raymond Foret Jr  wrote:
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>> Thanks.  I notice a splitter between the mail box table and the messages 
>> table.  There is another splitter just off to the right of the messages 
>> table.  What do those do?
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud Mac, Xfinity Mobile and Apple TV user
>> 
>>> On Oct 9, 2023, at 2:59 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ray, no need to adjust anything. You can either use quick math or in 
>>> your control and option keys plus right arrow, out of the mailbox table, 
>>> and that will bring you into the Messages table. That's honestly the 
>>> quickest way to do that.
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 8, 2023, at 8:45 PM, Raymond Foret Jr  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Okay.
>>>> 
>>>> I am running the latest version of Ventura which is all this 2017 Mac book 
>>>> pro will support.
>>>> 
>>>> When I first set it up, my e-mail was so configured that I would be in the 
>>>> list of mail boxes and if I wanted to get to messages in a particular box, 
>>>> I just selected the box with the arrow keys and then tabbed once to access 
>>>> the list of messages for that box.  Recently, I did something which means 
>>>> that now, instead of tabbing and back tabbing just once, I now must do it 
>>>> twice.  Any ideas on what I might want to adjust?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: Hiding iOS Apps

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E.T.

Well, I hope you can dig out this information. I have some apps I'd like to 
remove and not be reminded of my earlier youthful indiscretions.

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On Oct 9, 2023, at 6:54 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  Not true. I just cannot at the moment remember the steps needed.

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On 10/9/2023 6:52 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
> Not sure you can. The App Store seems to always remember what you have 
> previously downloaded and purchased.
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> On Oct 9, 2023, at 4:22 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hello all,
>   After deleting apps on the iPhone, how does one hide them in the app store? 
> Thanks.
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Re: Hiding iOS Apps

[Dave Carlson]

Not sure you can. The App Store seems to always remember what you have 
previously downloaded and purchased.

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On Oct 9, 2023, at 4:22 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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Hello all,
  After deleting apps on the iPhone, how does one hide them in the app store? 
Thanks.

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Re: Two IOS 17 questions

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Donna,

1. Same problem others are having as well. Heard that iOS 17.1 beta has this 
fixed. Can only wait for that.

2. Same problem here. I’m thinking that if the recent call is in your contacts, 
and if it is a mobile or iPhone, it will work as before. But if not, you need 
to to select info and then call from there. Yes, annoying.

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On Oct 6, 2023, at 8:57 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi all,

1.  When in the weather app, I can only see about the next four hours.  If I 
try and scroll past that. VO loses focus.  Has anyone found a work-around for 
this?

2.  In the Phone app, when I tap on a phone number in my recent calls list that 
isn’t in my contacts, it wants to let me do anything but call the number.  This 
is super annoying.  Does anyone know of a way to make the phone just call a 
number that isn’t in your contacts?
TIA,
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Mac OS Sonoma: Calendar View Changed

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It seems to me that I can no longer navigate week-by-week in the month view of 
the native calendar app.

I like to use VO table navigation keystrokes to move up/down through the 
calendar, just like it is a grid or table. That allowed me to jump to the next 
or previous day in another  week.

Now I cannot get that grid to come back. All my navigation is strictly 
vertical,, and if I want to jump to the next week, I need to arrow down through 
all the days of the current week.
This behavior seems to be permanent in Sonoma OS, when in Ventura it was 
sporadic.
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Re: Would I get Sonoma?

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Probably not. My wife has a 2016 model and it is stuck at Catalina.

Your 2017 is at Ventura, and if Sonoma is available, it will show up in system 
settings under software.

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On Sep 30, 2023, at 9:13 AM, Mohammad Fazil  wrote:

Hi, Group.
I have MacbookPro 2017, would I get Sonoma?
Thanks!

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Annoying Verbosity in Mail App on Sonoma

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I’ve noticed that the list level in the mailbox column is now announced when 
moving in/out of the column.

For example, VO+right arrow to the mailbox column will announce inbox  3 of 45. 
It’s the “3 of 45” that did not announce in Ventura.

I’ve gone through the Voiceover setting under verbosity and set several items 
to low verbosity but nothing has changed.

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Re: Anyone upgraded to IOS 17?

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Working very well. Much faster response over iOS 16. No accessibility issues 
yet. iPhone 14 Pro is my hardware.

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On Sep 20, 2023, at 7:23 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi all,

I read the AppleVis review, and it sounded like IOS 17 may still have some 
significant accessibility concerns, so I haven’t yet downloaded it.  Has anyone 
here upgraded?  If yes, how is it going?
Cheers,
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Re: Amazon Shopping

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E.T.
Last time I used it it did work. Tapping on that 4th tab I realize I don’t 
actually swipe back. I drag my finger all the way to the very left edge of the 
screen, slightly above the tabs and I get orders. Then swiping to the right 
brings up lists and accounts and other stuff.

I did try swiping right after tapping the 4th tab and it took a heck of a lot 
of swiping, but I did end up at orders, and then the other areas. It is not a 
very friendly interface, but I’ve used it a lot and have just gotten used to 
sliding across to get at what I want.
 
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On Sep 19, 2023, at 11:51 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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  This app does not behave like most with regard to tab bars. Typically when 
one selects a tab, one can then access that data in the main window.

  If I select the 4th tab, swiping left puts me on the 3rd tab. If I keep 
swiping past the first tab, I am on the main window which is empty.

  If there is an actual menu on the last tab, I am not finding one.

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On 9/19/2023 10:17 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:
> Tabs at the bottom. Far right is orders, menu, etc. Tap on that and then you 
> find orders, wishlist, account, by swiping left.
> Dave Carlson
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> On Sep 19, 2023, at 10:14 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Decided I would try the Amazon Shopping app on the iPhone. I could use some 
> pointers. Part of my order is in the cart but I need to get into my wish list 
> to add more items to the cart.
>   On tab 4 which has the menu,, how best to navigate that? It looked like I 
> had to move through all those links for various departments. Appreciate any 
> tips, thanks.
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Re: Amazon Shopping

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Tabs at the bottom. Far right is orders, menu, etc. Tap on that and then you 
find orders, wishlist, account, by swiping left.

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On Sep 19, 2023, at 10:14 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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Hello all,
  Decided I would try the Amazon Shopping app on the iPhone. I could use some 
pointers. Part of my order is in the cart but I need to get into my wish list 
to add more items to the cart.

  On tab 4 which has the menu,, how best to navigate that? It looked like I had 
to move through all those links for various departments. Appreciate any tips, 
thanks.

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Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility

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My biggest gripe with Mac OS and VO is web browsing. It’s awful compared to 
Windows with JAWS or NNVDA. It is the main reason I would seriously consider 
going back to Windows if/when it’s time to get a new laptop. 
I use DuckDuckGo as my browser now to get away from that annoying “Safari is 
Busy” message that cripples my productivity.

So I’m on the fence about switching back to Windows, but if VO on the Mac does 
not improve over time (and I doubt that it will) I might just flip a coin on 
the decision.

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On Sep 7, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this list about 
the disappointment in Mac’s VoiceOver performance.

Are quite a few of you thinking of switching back to windows? Or are a lot of 
you overall still happy with the VoiceOver experience?

I think I am mostly curious about this, because I have been talking about 
updating my MacBook Eyre. I guess part of me is beginning to wonder, should I 
get a Windows laptop instead? I would be very disappointed to spend $900 on a 
MacBook Air, and still have a lot of performance issues.

What are your guises thoughts?

Thank you,
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Re: Connecting a PC to an iPhone mobile hot spot?

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Make sure the iPHone settings have it as discoverable. Other than that, I have 
no experience using a non-Apple product when tethering.

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Hi all,

Anyone know if this is possible?  I have my mobile hot spot turned on on my 
iPhone, but my Pc doesn’t seem to see it.  If it is possible, can anyone 
outline the steps?  Pc running Windows 11.  Feel free to write off-list, as 
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<mailto:doniado...@me.com>.
TIA,
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Re: Upcoming macOS Safari not responding?

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I suggest you use a different browser, like DuckDuckGo. Much better response 
time.

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On Jul 30, 2023, at 9:54 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

For anyone out there in the know, is the upcoming macOS going to help Safari 
not responding? It is super frustrating. I can hardly do simple web researching 
and reading. Kind of makes me curious about a Window’s laptop.

Any thoughts…?

Thanks,
Traci 

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Re: Video editing

[Dave Carlson]

Okay, Tom. Thanks for all those details. Hope you eventually find the video 
editor you’re needing.

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On Jul 18, 2023, at 4:59 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:

I know that once it was going you just hit the space bar to record and stop 
recording.I would think so, but I don’t know.  We had a few boxes of tapes and 
sighted family members did that.  


> On Jul 17, 2023, at 6:56 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. Found it on Amazon. Is the computer side of the software VO 
> accessible for blind users?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Farfar, Oregonian, Engineer, Woodworker, Musician
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 17, 2023, at 1:46 PM, dadnthed...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> It is called clear click. There is software to download for a PC or a Mac.
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2023, at 7:22 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Tom,
>> 
>> Okay, any info you can get would be helpful. Is the Mac software accessible?
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 17, 2023, at 5:05 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s a little early on the west coast right now.  I’ll have to check with my 
>> son later today.  It’s basically a cord with VCR connections on one end and 
>> USB on the  other.  There is some software to down load for a Mac or PC.  In 
>> the mean time, maybe a search for digital video converter might get results. 
>>  Sorry I don’t have a direct answer for you right now. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 9:08 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello again Tom,
>>> I’m really interested in what hardware and software you are using with the 
>>> Mac to convert VHS tapes to digital files. I need to archive some important 
>>> tapes before we sell off our VCR.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> Oregonian, Woodworker, Farfar, Engineer, Musician
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 6:41 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve been using the Mac for a little over a year but still consider myself 
>>> a newbie.  I’ve started a project of digitizing VHS video tapes.  I have 
>>> over 40 years of old family videos on my hard drive now.  I’m wanting a 
>>> piece of software where I can edit these videos.  Simple editing like 
>>> cutting an copying, nothing else.  I tried iMovie, but that is a little 
>>> intense.  Can anyone recommend a simple video editing software to do this?  
>>> Thanks. 
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Re: Video editing

[Dave Carlson]

Thanks. Found it on Amazon. Is the computer side of the software VO accessible 
for blind users?

Dave Carlson
Farfar, Oregonian, Engineer, Woodworker, Musician
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On Jul 17, 2023, at 1:46 PM, dadnthed...@gmail.com wrote:

It is called clear click. There is software to download for a PC or a Mac.

> On Jul 17, 2023, at 7:22 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Okay, any info you can get would be helpful. Is the Mac software accessible?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 17, 2023, at 5:05 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
> 
> It’s a little early on the west coast right now.  I’ll have to check with my 
> son later today.  It’s basically a cord with VCR connections on one end and 
> USB on the  other.  There is some software to down load for a Mac or PC.  In 
> the mean time, maybe a search for digital video converter might get results.  
> Sorry I don’t have a direct answer for you right now. 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 9:08 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello again Tom,
>> I’m really interested in what hardware and software you are using with the 
>> Mac to convert VHS tapes to digital files. I need to archive some important 
>> tapes before we sell off our VCR.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Oregonian, Woodworker, Farfar, Engineer, Musician
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 6:41 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve been using the Mac for a little over a year but still consider myself a 
>> newbie.  I’ve started a project of digitizing VHS video tapes.  I have over 
>> 40 years of old family videos on my hard drive now.  I’m wanting a piece of 
>> software where I can edit these videos.  Simple editing like cutting an 
>> copying, nothing else.  I tried iMovie, but that is a little intense.  Can 
>> anyone recommend a simple video editing software to do this?  Thanks. 
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Re: Video editing

[Dave Carlson]

Hello,
Is this “Clear Click” the editing software or the product to actually convert 
VHS to digital format on a Mac?

Dave Carlson
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On Jul 17, 2023, at 1:46 PM, dadnthed...@gmail.com wrote:

It is called clear click. There is software to download for a PC or a Mac.

> On Jul 17, 2023, at 7:22 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Okay, any info you can get would be helpful. Is the Mac software accessible?
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer,  Farfar
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 17, 2023, at 5:05 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
> 
> It’s a little early on the west coast right now.  I’ll have to check with my 
> son later today.  It’s basically a cord with VCR connections on one end and 
> USB on the  other.  There is some software to down load for a Mac or PC.  In 
> the mean time, maybe a search for digital video converter might get results.  
> Sorry I don’t have a direct answer for you right now. 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 9:08 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello again Tom,
>> I’m really interested in what hardware and software you are using with the 
>> Mac to convert VHS tapes to digital files. I need to archive some important 
>> tapes before we sell off our VCR.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>> Oregonian, Woodworker, Farfar, Engineer, Musician
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 16, 2023, at 6:41 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve been using the Mac for a little over a year but still consider myself a 
>> newbie.  I’ve started a project of digitizing VHS video tapes.  I have over 
>> 40 years of old family videos on my hard drive now.  I’m wanting a piece of 
>> software where I can edit these videos.  Simple editing like cutting an 
>> copying, nothing else.  I tried iMovie, but that is a little intense.  Can 
>> anyone recommend a simple video editing software to do this?  Thanks. 
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Re: Video editing

[Dave Carlson]

Tom,

Okay, any info you can get would be helpful. Is the Mac software accessible?

Dave Carlson
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On Jul 17, 2023, at 5:05 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:

It’s a little early on the west coast right now.  I’ll have to check with my 
son later today.  It’s basically a cord with VCR connections on one end and USB 
on the  other.  There is some software to down load for a Mac or PC.  In the 
mean time, maybe a search for digital video converter might get results.  Sorry 
I don’t have a direct answer for you right now. 


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> 
> Hello again Tom,
> I’m really interested in what hardware and software you are using with the 
> Mac to convert VHS tapes to digital files. I need to archive some important 
> tapes before we sell off our VCR.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Woodworker, Farfar, Engineer, Musician
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 16, 2023, at 6:41 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:
> 
> I’ve been using the Mac for a little over a year but still consider myself a 
> newbie.  I’ve started a project of digitizing VHS video tapes.  I have over 
> 40 years of old family videos on my hard drive now.  I’m wanting a piece of 
> software where I can edit these videos.  Simple editing like cutting an 
> copying, nothing else.  I tried iMovie, but that is a little intense.  Can 
> anyone recommend a simple video editing software to do this?  Thanks. 
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Re: Video editing

[Dave Carlson]

Hello again Tom,
I’m really interested in what hardware and software you are using with the Mac 
to convert VHS tapes to digital files. I need to archive some important tapes 
before we sell off our VCR.

Thanks!

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Woodworker, Farfar, Engineer, Musician
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On Jul 16, 2023, at 6:41 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:

I’ve been using the Mac for a little over a year but still consider myself a 
newbie.  I’ve started a project of digitizing VHS video tapes.  I have over 40 
years of old family videos on my hard drive now.  I’m wanting a piece of 
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copying, nothing else.  I tried iMovie, but that is a little intense.  Can 
anyone recommend a simple video editing software to do this?  Thanks. 

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Re: Video editing

[Dave Carlson]

Tom,
Can’t help with the editing, but can you tell me what hardware and software you 
used on your Mac to transfer those VHS tapes to digital format? I also have 
some that I need to preserve before the VCR finally dies.

Dave Carlson
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On Jul 16, 2023, at 6:41 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:

I’ve been using the Mac for a little over a year but still consider myself a 
newbie.  I’ve started a project of digitizing VHS video tapes.  I have over 40 
years of old family videos on my hard drive now.  I’m wanting a piece of 
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copying, nothing else.  I tried iMovie, but that is a little intense.  Can 
anyone recommend a simple video editing software to do this?  Thanks. 

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Re: Test

[Dave Carlson]

Got it.

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On Jul 16, 2023, at 6:15 AM, Tom Rash  wrote:

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Re: the rotor on an iPhone

[Dave Carlson]

Lori,

The rotor is context-sensitive. So if you are not on a web page or not in a 
place where a link can occur, it will not show links. On the Home Screen you 
will not see links, headings, form fields, etc.

Dave Carlson
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On Jul 5, 2023, at 7:24 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I have noticed that often the thing I need in the rotor isn’t available for the 
specific thing I’m trying to do. for example, if I’m looking for links they 
often don’t come up no matter how many times ai go around. in another situation 
I’ll be looking for a form control or a button and it’s not there or at least 
doesn’t appear to be. this isn’t universally true for me but it happens so 
often that I thought I’d ask about it and see what suggestions I can get.

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Junk Folders No Longer Available on Mac

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Bill,

This is a bit complicated, but I think you need to open your mailboxes to 
expose those junk folders.

When you are in the list of mailboxes, interact with VO+shift+downarrow.
Then you move up/down the list using VO+up arrow or down arrow.
When you reach something like “on my Mac” or the name of your account, it may 
indicate that it is collapsed.
If so, expand with VO+space. This will expose folders associated with that 
account or those on your Mac.
If you want any of those folders to be showing all the time, then add it to 
your favorites or just leave them expanded.

I personally don’t like having three different junk folders and extra inboxes 
in my mailbox list, so I go back to the main folder such as “On my Mac” and 
collapse it again with another VO+spacebar.

Then stop the interaction with VO+shift+up arrow. Any of  those exposed folders 
will be visible in your mailbox area and you can visit them with a simple use 
of the up or down arrow.

I won’t go into what the heck “On my Mac” actually is, but it is something you 
can configure in your mail settings, but there should always be a main folder 
for all accounts you have set up on your Mac mail app.

What I do is to put the inbox of each of my accounts in the favorites and only 
expose the main account that I use all the time. My other two account and the 
“on my Mac” account I keep compressed so they don’t clutter up my folders list.


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On Jul 2, 2023, at 8:02 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:

I’m looking for suggestions as how to re-establish access to my “Junk” folders. 
 I am running the most recent version of MacOS (whatever that may be) on a Mac 
Mini (2014).

Until about 2 weeks ago, I was able to peruse the “Junk” folders for both my 
iCloud and gmail accounts.  I have no idea what happened for those folders to 
disappear.  They are available to me on my iPhones, but it’s honestly much more 
convenient to peruse through those (mostly) unwanted messages to delete them.
Any suggestions will be much appreciated!

TIA




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Re: PayPal on Mac safari

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Give them a call. I did when I did not see the “mail check” option on the 
iPhone version of the app.

1-888-221-1161

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On Apr 30, 2023, at 10:21 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:

What the heck is wrong with PayPal using Safari on the Mac? I just sent the 
payment. Got all the way to the end, selecting the proper payment source, and 
there was no send button anywhere to be found. I had to cancel out of it and 
make the payment on my iPhone. At least there there is a send button. Any clue 
as to what’s wrong with PayPal? Any known workaround to this problem? 

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Re: Use Stage Manager to organize apps and windows on Mac - Apple Support

[Dave Carlson]

I tried it, and it seemed to make things confusing when switching between open 
applications. I turned it off after a day.

Perhaps it’s more beneficial to someone with vision.

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On Apr 15, 2023, at 6:37 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

I noticed this setting in control center and watned to learn more. Does anyone 
use it? Is it useful with VoiceOver?


> 
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213315
> 
> Use Stage Manager to organize apps and windows on Mac
> Stage Manager organizes apps and windows so that your desktop is clutter-free 
> and you can stay focused.
> 
> Turn Stage Manager on or off
> 
> Requires macOS Ventura or later
> 
> Click Control Center  in the menu bar, 
> then click Stage Manager.
> 
> 
> 
> Organize apps and windows in Stage Manager
> 
> Stage Manager shows the app you're currently using in the center of the 
> screen. Other apps you're using appear as thumbnails on the side. 
> 
> To switch between windows, click a thumbnail. 
> To access files and folders on your desktop, click the desktop.
> Thumbnails are arranged automatically based on recent use, with up to six 
> thumbnails shown, depending on the size of your desktop. Each thumbnail shows 
> a live view of its window, so you can see updates like incoming messages 
> without switching to that window. 
> 
> 
> 
> To create a group of windows in the center, drag a thumbnail to the center 
> window, or press the Shift key while clicking the thumbnail. The image above 
> shows two groups: Keynote and Finder windows are grouped in the center, and 
> News and Music windows are grouped in the bottom thumbnail.
> To remove a window from a group you created, drag it back to the thumbnail 
> area. 
> To move or resize the center window, drag its title bar, or drag an edge of 
> the window to expand that side of the window. If a window covers the 
> thumbnails, the thumbnails hide until you uncover them or move the pointer to 
> the left edge of the screen. If you make a window enter full screen 
> <https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/mchl9c21d2be/mac>, it moves to its 
> own space <https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/mh14112/mac> outside of 
> Stage Manager. 
> To drag items to another window, hold the dragged item over a thumbnail until 
> its window moves to the center, then drop the item into the window. If 
> multiple windows are in the center, you can hold the item over a rear window 
> until it moves to the front, then drop the item.
> To send a window to the side as a thumbnail without switching windows, click 
> the minimize button  in the 
> corner of the window. Or press Command-M.
> To hide an app's thumbnail and windows, press Command-H. When an app isn't 
> visible because it's hidden or hasn't been used recently, you can switch to 
> that app in other ways, such as from the Dock or by pressing Command-Tab.
> Change Stage Manager settings
> 
> Choose Apple menu  > System Settings, click Desktop & Dock in the sidebar, 
> then click Customize next to Stage Manager on the right.
> 
> 
> Recent applications
> 
> When this setting is turned on, thumbnails remain visible, unless covered by 
> a window.
> When this setting is turned off, thumbnails are hidden until you move your 
> pointer to the left edge of the screen.
> Desktop items
> 
> When this setting is turned on, items on your desktop remain visible.
> When this setting is turned off, items on your desktop are hidden until you 
> click your desktop.
> Show windows from an application
> 
> All at Once: The app in the center of the screen shows all of its windows at 
> the same time.
> One at a Time: The app in the center of the screen shows one of its windows 
> at a time. Its other windows are in the app's thumbnail. To switch between 
> them, click the thumbnail. You can still drag windows from the thumbnail to 
> the center to create a group.
> 
> On most keyboards that have a character key to the left of the number 1, you 
> can press that key together with the Command (⌘) key to quickly switch 
> between the windows of the app you're using.
> If you don't see Stage Manager in Control Center
> 
> Choose Apple menu  > System Settings, click Desktop & Dock in the sidebar, 
> then scroll down on the right and make sure that “Displays have separate 
> Spaces” is turned on. You should now see Stage Manager in Control Center.
> 
> Learn more
> 
> To make Stage Manager even easier to access:
> 
> Add Stage Manager to the menu bar by dragging it from Control Center 
>  to the menu bar. Or choose Apple menu 
>  > System Settings, click Control Center in the sidebar,

Re: How Do I Get Into Input Mode for Excel

[Dave Carlson]

Bill,
Are you on a a Mac or iPhone?
On the Mac, I think you just interact with the cell with VO-downarrow, or you 
can use the F2 key just like in a Windows environment. I find that many of the 
keyboard shortcuts from Windows work in Excel on a Mac.

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On Apr 14, 2023, at 8:05 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:

This is quite embarrassing to ask, but how do you get into the input mode in 
MS-Excel?  Every once in a while I find myself in input mode, but I just cannot 
figure out the method for doing this.


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Re: Rebuilding Music Library

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Oops. Sorry I forgot iTunes is not part of Ventura.

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On Apr 9, 2023, at 9:54 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  No such file. Not sure its even used in Ventura.What is used for the database 
is music library.musiclibrary.

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On 4/9/2023 8:58 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
> E.T.
> Find your iTunes folder and look for a file  itues.itl. Delete that file.
> Then your library will rebuild when you start iTunes again.
> I usually save the old file with a different extension just in case something 
> horrible happens.
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> On Apr 9, 2023, at 2:57 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
>   Anyone know how to do this in macOS Ventura? I don't seem to have a valid 
> .musiclibrary database file so looks like I will need to create a new one My 
> music files are fine. Thanks.
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Re: Rebuilding Music Library

[Dave Carlson]

E.T.
Find your iTunes folder and look for a file  itues.itl. Delete that file.

Then your library will rebuild when you start iTunes again.

I usually save the old file with a different extension just in case something 
horrible happens.
 
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  Anyone know how to do this in macOS Ventura? I don't seem to have a valid 
.musiclibrary database file so looks like I will need to create a new one My 
music files are fine. Thanks.

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Re: Can’t downgrade iCloud storage

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IF a button is greyed out, it usually means there is a field or a checkbox that 
you have not yet completed. Go back through all the form items and make sure 
each has been filled in or checked.

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On Apr 7, 2023, at 5:49 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:

I’m trying to downgrade my iCloud storage from the 50 GB back to the free 5 GB. 
I’ve deleted all the data in excess of the five gig limit and I can select the 
5 GB plan in iOS settings under manage iCloud storage, but I can’t complete the 
action because the done button is grayed out. It will let me upgrade Not 
downgrade. What gives with Apple. I know it’s only $.99 a month but come on. 
Why can I not downgrade. One thought, I deleted the excess data only a few 
minutes before trying to downgrade although the iPhone showed only 1.5 gig of 
the 50 gig used. I was wondering if there’s a lag time for the system to 
recognize that it’s OK to downgrade? Who knows? Just grabbing at straws. 

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Re: Capture audio from YouTube

[Dave Carlson]

Interesting. I downloaded the Pontes downloader zip, and after unpacking I used 
CMD+o to open it. Mac OS refused to open since it comes from Romania. I tried 
to use system settings to lessen the security, but nothing works.

Any tips? Ventura OS.

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On Apr 6, 2023, at 8:30 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:



> On Apr 6, 2023, at 10:18, Fazil M.  <mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:
> 
> Where can I download it from, please?
> Thanks!
>  
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> Subject: Re: Capture audio from YouTube
>  
> I use Pontes Media Downloader. It’s a free app that is very easy to use.
> 
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2023, at 10:06, Michael Babcock > <mailto:michael@payown.media>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi
>>  
>> Several ways of doing this.
>>  
>> Firstly if you use a tool like Downie you can drop a YouTube url on the app 
>> and it will download the audio if you configure it. You also can use a tool 
>> like audio hijack to do this as well.
>>  
>> NOTE: Downie is in SetApp , you can save money and help me out if you use 
>> this referral link <https://go.setapp.com/invite/mvg2ucoq>, but you also can 
>> get Downie independently if needed 
>> <https://software.charliemonroe.net/downie/>. Especially if you don’t need 
>> any other apps in SetApp.
>>  
>> I hope this helps.
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 6, 2023, at 7:48 AM, Dave Carlson >> <mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> Using a Mac, are there any apps that will capture the audio portion of 
>>> Youtube videos while they are playing?
>>>  
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Capture audio from YouTube

[Dave Carlson]

Using a Mac, are there any apps that will capture the audio portion of Youtube 
videos while they are playing?

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Re: How can I shut it up?

[Dave Carlson]

Hello,

You will need to enter your password to get it to stop. It will pop up whenever 
you open the mail app. If you forgot your password, you will need to go to the 
web site for your email provider and go through the “forgot my password” 
process to select a new one.

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On Apr 4, 2023, at 12:26 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:

Hi, Group.
Mac is asking me to enter password of an email account and I do not remember 
this password. How can I tell the system that it should not ask for the 
password over and over?
Thanks!

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Re: Safari debug and videos

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Tracey,

Just tried this, but cannot find the new debug menu anywhere. Should it appear 
to the right of the help menu? Not sure what to the right and on top means.

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On Mar 22, 2023, at 7:57 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

Hi all, in my continued quest to stop videos from playing and Voiceover 
counting down this ad will stop in so many seconds, I came across this idea. 
What do you think?

>From Mac World. 
Safari has a debug menu that can be used to stop autoplaying video, but first 
we need to activate the debug menu using Terminal.

defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeInternalDebugMenu 1

Close Terminal, and reopen Safari. You’ll see a new option at the righthand end 
of the top menu bar: Debug. Click this, then select Media Flags > Disallow 
Inline Video.



That’s it! (If you want to get rid of that Debug menu option, go back to 
Terminal and enter

defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeInternalDebugMenu 0



Thanks,
Traci


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Re: My files don’t show up in the iOS files app on iCloud

[Dave Carlson]

Phil,
Suggest you log out of iCloud on your iPHone and then log back in. Might just 
be needing a little poke to get started.

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On Mar 8, 2023, at 7:26 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:

OK, so I upgraded to a 50 GB storage plan on iCloud, and then I transferred a 
slew of files into the iCloud Drive. I made a new folder, called my stuff, not 
that that’s important, and just copied an entire directories structure from my 
local dropbox files into that iCloud folder. Well, From the Mac side, I can 
enter the iCloud Drive account and find all those files and they are all 
accessible, but on my iPhone when I load the Files app, that folder reports as 
“empty“. I’ve tried its actions, manual and download come I just don’t know 
what to do. Any ideas why these files are showing up fine on macOS side but not 
at all on the Files app in iOS? 

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Excel on the Mac Question

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Hello,

Using Excel on the Mac. How do I set the row and column so that they speak as I 
go through the spreadsheet? I want the leftmost column to speak as I move 
up/down rows, and the topmost row to speak as I move left/right through the 
columns. 

It was simple with JAWS and Excel, but don’t know how on the Mac version.


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Re: Siri sound on iOS 16

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Bill, that is correct. It is a new sound. A lot of discussion on this list 
about it when it first came out. Most of us do not like it. Report your concern 
to Apple directly, not just to Apple Accessibility.
One note, you will need to learn to pause after the tone before talking to 
Siri. There is a time delay Before Siri start to listen. About one or two 
seconds after you hear the tone, then you can start talking to Siri. Otherwise 
your instruction get chopped off and Siri asked really dumb.
Enjoy. 

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On Feb 19, 2023, at 6:59 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:

I just upgraded to iOS 16 and it seems to have changed the sound for Siri when 
you press the side button to get her attention. I really don’t like this sound, 
in fact, when I’m out and about I can’t really hear it because of ambient 
noise.  The same goes for the sound when double tapping for dictation. Is there 
a setting to get back to a more irritating and abrasive sound. This one is just 
too soft and mellow. Yes, I know, I prefer irritating to mellow. That’s just 
the kind of guy I am.☺️

Sent from my IPhone

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Re: iOS upgrade to 16.3?

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Phil,
YOu’re waiting for a bus that will never arrive. You’ve fallen behind and to no 
benefit that I can see. Just what bug is it you are trying to avoid by sticking 
with iOS 15?

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On Feb 14, 2023, at 7:43 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:

I am still using iOS 15. Have they shaken the bugs out of iOS 16 with version 
three yet or is it still not a good idea to upgrade?. I don’t want to lose 
accessibility or sensitivity of the screen or any functionality for that matter.

Sent from my IPhone

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Re: Continued problems with Finder

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Have you tried reformatting one of those drives using APFS?

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On Feb 13, 2023, at 6:39 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
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I guess I should explain the whole boring thing.  Nobody is obligated to read.  
I am bored with it myself.

A few months ago, my drive that I used for Time Machine just up and died.  So I 
started with a new one.  I sometimes connected this new drive with just a cable 
and sometimes through a hub.  I also began to notice problems with the message 
that the Finder had no windows, and I am not sure when this began.  

Last week, I had more than one drive connected through this hub, and the Finder 
started to lock up on me, often locking up the whole Mac, sometimes to the 
point where I could not force quit or even get to the menu bar in any app, and 
I felt like I had no recourse but to use the dreaded power button.  .  I have 
since connected the other drives and they work, so it is the one that has been 
used for Time Machine.  I have an old 2015 Air, so I connected that drive to 
that computer, and it also froze that computer.  The old Time Machine drive 
didn’t work in that machine either.  If I remember right, it wasn’t even 
recognized at all. 

I’m still in the process of figuring out exactly what is happening.  I would 
really like to run Time Machine and back up my files, but I think it is a weird 
coincidence that two drives have become unusable while doing it.  I also need 
to more thoroughly test my other two drives that I use for media storage, as 
well as figuring out if something is wrong with the hub.

Up till now, I have had great experiences with this Mac.  I am still not a 
power user, but I felt like I was coming along fairly well until all this 
started.  It is not fun, but maybe it will force me to learn parts of the Mac I 
have been avoiding up till now, as well as helping me develop problem solving 
skills.  

Everybody on this list is very supportive.  
> On Feb 13, 2023, at 7:57 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> Are the Time machine drives plugged in? You mentioned them so that makes 
> things confusing. No Finder issues for me, but you can always try restarting 
> it from the task manager.
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2023, at 22:21, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi.  I am having continued problems with the Finder on my Mac, which I just 
>> updated to 13. Whatever.  I have had two hard discs that I used for Time 
>> Machine go bad for some reason.  But also, even when I can see the files in 
>> my Finder, I can’t do much from there and can’t even get to the menu bar 
>> from there.  What has happened to the Finder?  Are other people having weird 
>> behavior with the finder in these later versions of Ventura while using 
>> VoiceOver?  I thought that I just had a problem with a bad disc drive, a bad 
>> cable, a bad hub, or something like that, but I also seem to have problems 
>> with the Finder that I can’t blame on these other things.  Can anybody tell 
>> me anything that will help?  Have I just lost my mind?  Always a possibility.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help.
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Re: How much ram and storage should i get?

[Dave Carlson]

No, Doug. Buy more RAM and storage than you can afford. Sell your car, your 
boat, or your kids to raise the extra. I mean, nothing in life is as important 
as having enough RAM and storage, right? Oh, shoot. I forgot about CPU speed. 
Double whatever you think initially and sell your house to make up the 
difference.

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On Feb 6, 2023, at 8:35 PM, doug.law...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks all. 
That's what I was sort of figuring. Get as much ram and storage as you can 
afford. Makes sense too. 

Best, 

Doug. 



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> On Feb 6, 2023, at 11:32 PM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> No matter what you think, and no matter what others think, you will always 
> want more RAM and storage later on. So best advice is to start with  as much 
> RAM and storage as your budget allows, and then squeeze more juice out of the 
> carrot and move up to the next higher amount of RAM and storage. You won’t 
> regret spending the extra, and remember that once you get the computer you 
> can’t add more after the fact.
> I’m sitting on a puny 500 G SSD and sorely wish I had purchased at least 1 Tb 
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Re: How much ram and storage should i get?

[Dave Carlson]

No matter what you think, and no matter what others think, you will always want 
more RAM and storage later on. So best advice is to start with  as much RAM and 
storage as your budget allows, and then squeeze more juice out of the carrot 
and move up to the next higher amount of RAM and storage. You won’t regret 
spending the extra, and remember that once you get the computer you can’t add 
more after the fact.
I’m sitting on a puny 500 G SSD and sorely wish I had purchased at least 1 Tb 
when I bought it 4 years ago.
 
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Hello all, 

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new Mac and was wondering how much ram and storage people are going with these 
days? I mainly want a machine for web and app testing, some word processing / 
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Re: How to Clear Notifications on Mac Ventura

[Dave Carlson]

Herbie,

Okay, I suspected these were being generated when I restart. This seems to have 
started with Ventura,m or a recent update. It never happened using Monterey. 
Any idea the purpose of these notifications? They seem pointless and irritating.

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On Feb 6, 2023, at 7:26 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:

Do a VO O to bring up your notification center. Interact with Notifications and 
do a VO Command Space on each group. You will then be able to clear them. You 
wil have to do this for the log on ones every time you restart.

> On Feb 6, 2023, at 08:58, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> I’ve been getting multiple notifications for logon items. They seem to 
> accumulate even if I restart Ventura. Ohly way I’ve found to trim them down 
> is one by one. I have 29 notifications so far, all marked as “login items”. I 
> don’t even know what is generating these notifications, but they are 
> continuing to increase in count, even if I delete every one of them.
> 
> Does anyone have a way to not only clear these all out, but also where to go 
> to stop them from continuing?
> 
> Again these notifications are all related to login items.
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Re: How to Clear Notifications on Mac Ventura

[Dave Carlson]

John, 
I also read this article before posting my question. My notifications do not 
seem to be application-related. I have notifications set to “off” for all 
applications on my Mac. The only notification that is populating is the “login 
items” notifications, and all I can do to them is to delete them one by one. I 
cannot figure out why they are being generated.

I have four login items set to automatically load on startup: calendar, 
messages, mail, and a text file using text edit. And of course finder 
automatically loads. 

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On Feb 6, 2023, at 7:07 AM, John Panarese  wrote:

   According to this article, it’s possible. However, I have not tried it with 
VoiceOver as I don’t have more than three app notifications at the moment.


https://www.howtogeek.com/704931/how-to-quickly-clear-all-notifications-on-mac/
https://www.howtogeek.com/704931/how-to-quickly-clear-all-notifications-on-mac/
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> I’ve been getting multiple notifications for logon items. They seem to 
> accumulate even if I restart Ventura. Ohly way I’ve found to trim them down 
> is one by one. I have 29 notifications so far, all marked as “login items”. I 
> don’t even know what is generating these notifications, but they are 
> continuing to increase in count, even if I delete every one of them.
> 
> Does anyone have a way to not only clear these all out, but also where to go 
> to stop them from continuing?
> 
> Again these notifications are all related to login items.
> 
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How to Clear Notifications on Mac Ventura

[Dave Carlson]

I’ve been getting multiple notifications for logon items. They seem to 
accumulate even if I restart Ventura. Ohly way I’ve found to trim them down is 
one by one. I have 29 notifications so far, all marked as “login items”. I 
don’t even know what is generating these notifications, but they are continuing 
to increase in count, even if I delete every one of them.

Does anyone have a way to not only clear these all out, but also where to go to 
stop them from continuing?

Again these notifications are all related to login items.

Dave Carlson
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Re: another browser

[Dave Carlson]

Oops. Microsoft Edge. Not microwave.

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On Feb 6, 2023, at 1:55 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Microwave Edge

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On Feb 5, 2023, at 8:33 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I’m thinking I’d like to install another browser for times when I have trouble 
with Safari. what are your recommendations? everybody might not agree but I’d 
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Re: another browser

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Microwave Edge

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On Feb 5, 2023, at 8:33 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I’m thinking I’d like to install another browser for times when I have trouble 
with Safari. what are your recommendations? everybody might not agree but I’d 
like to know what the consensus is on this.

thanks.
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Re: Web site compatibility issues with Safari?

[Dave Carlson]

Yes,
 That happened to me a couple weeks ago with a web page, and now I can’t 
remember which. But it was consistent and switching to MS-Edge it worked. Agree 
that Safari is beginning to show cracks in its foundation. I’ve switched back 
and forth for several months and finally have set Edge to be my default browser 
and I find a more uniform browsing experience.

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On Feb 5, 2023, at 6:13 AM, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries 
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Several times recently, I’ve encountered errors from Web applications (e.g., a 
“get” operation was submitted instead of a “put” operation, or a message 
stating that too many errors occurred after submitting a form). This only 
happens with Safari; all is fine if I use Google Chrome instead, and it has 
happened across multiple Web sites.
I’m running Mac OS Ventura 13.2. Are others noticing the same? I’ve read 
elsewhere that Safari is behind Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome in Web 
standards support, so this isn’t entirely surprising, but I’ve noticed it more 
lately.

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Re: Disappearing External Drive and Finder issue

[Dave Carlson]

Brad, Wow. How do you keep all those keyboard shortcuts in your head? I never 
knew about using the shift key with that combination to make it a quick and 
dirty force shutdown.

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On Feb 1, 2023, at 2:01 PM, Bradford Snyder  wrote:

The keyboard command CMD + OPT + Escape, will open the Force Quit dialog.
Using CMD + OPT + Shift + Escape, will Force Quit the current app, or restart 
Finder without opening the Force Quit dialog.

HTH.

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On Feb 1, 2023, at 15:33, Kaare Dehard  wrote:

There is an issue with finder on and off in Ventura. If it gives the no window 
message cmd-option-escape will allow you to re-launch the finder and may solve 
the concern.


> On Feb 1, 2023, at 4:31 PM, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thanks.  This is not an older Mac, it’s a 2020 M1.  SO I guess I will 
> disconnect all the external drives, all three of them, and restart.  I 
> neglected to say that when the Finder stops working, I have to open a program 
> like Mail to shut down the computer at all, and it might take it several 
> minutes to do it.  
> 
> I just disconnected all the external drives, I have three, and I hope I don’t 
> lose them all as one of them is my Time Machine backup.  The Mac turned on 
> very quickly.  SO Now I guess I will start trying to reconnect these things.  
> What fun.  
> 
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:19 PM, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> There could be a number of things. The age of your Mac, the cord, or the 
>> drive itself. If yours is an older Mac though, that is most likely the 
>> issue. Restart your mac and then plug in the drive. When you open it, give 
>> the drive a couple minutes to load. There could also be a formatting issue.
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2023, at 15:13, 'Mary Ward' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hello.  I bought a nice big hard disc to store books, movies, and music on. 
>>>  It is connected to my Mac mini via a cable.  I got messages saying that it 
>>> had not been ejected properly, though, of course, it had not been ejected 
>>> at all.  If I try to go to my external drives, the finder just stops 
>>> working altogether.  SO right now, I am running first aid on the one of 
>>> them that I can see.  But is there anything else I can do besides either 
>>> give up or call AppleCare?  By the way, when the Finder stops working, I 
>>> can’t open files from anywhere and apps like TextEdit won’t launch either, 
>>> though Mail and Safari still work.  Does this necessarily mean that the 
>>> external disc is corrupted?  Do I need to go further than just the Disc 
>>> Utility?  Thanks for any guidance.
>>> 
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Re: Simple Text Editors

[Dave Carlson]

Textedit is the way to go. Simple and pre-installed with Mac OS.

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On Jan 29, 2023, at 2:34 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  Currently I have the Drafts app for iOS and iPadOS. The main feature I like 
about this app is it opens directly to the text area. But right now it opens to 
a prompt to go premium.

  So am curious to know if there is another app like that that is free and does 
not have prompts to go premium. Thanks.

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Re: Has anyone else noticed that dictation in Messages is broken?

[Dave Carlson]

Donna, Perhaps you first need to engage the edit field with a single finger 
double tap. Then when it says “edit” or indices the beginning or end of the 
edit field, then the to-finger double tap will allow dictation. Second 
to-finger double tap will halt dictation and enter text into that edit field.

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On Jan 29, 2023, at 10:05 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

I tried Dave’s suggestion of using the two-finger double tap, and that didn’t 
work either.  I’d send a feedback report, but I’m not sure whether it’s a bug, 
or a result of the fact that I’m still using a series 6.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jan 29, 2023, at 11:41 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well dictation on the Apple Watch is a hit or miss thing.
> It seems for me that it sometimes work and sometimes not.
> I’ve given  it up for a while now but maybe I should do feedback report since 
> I am on the beta of watchOS.
> Bless.
> /A
> 
>> 28 jan. 2023 kl. 20:20 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Since the recent upgrade, I cannot seem to get dictation to work in 
>> messages.  I tap Dictate.  Sometimes I get the haptic feedback to indicate 
>> dictation has started, sometimes not.  When I do get it, I try and dictate.  
>> I’ve then tried both double tapping and scrolling down to the bottom and 
>> tapping to stop dictation.  The scrolling down to the bottom seems to work, 
>> but then when I go back into the message field, there’s no text.  I’m on a 
>> series 6.  Anyone else experiencing this?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Has anyone else noticed that dictation in Messages is broken?

[Dave Carlson]

Better off using the two-finger double tap to start and stop dictation.

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On Jan 28, 2023, at 11:20 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

Since the recent upgrade, I cannot seem to get dictation to work in messages.  
I tap Dictate.  Sometimes I get the haptic feedback to indicate dictation has 
started, sometimes not.  When I do get it, I try and dictate.  I’ve then tried 
both double tapping and scrolling down to the bottom and tapping to stop 
dictation.  The scrolling down to the bottom seems to work, but then when I go 
back into the message field, there’s no text.  I’m on a series 6.  Anyone else 
experiencing this?
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver

[Dave Carlson]

Sure, but it still remains that VO is less responsive lately.

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On Jan 26, 2023, at 9:06 AM, Herbie Allen  wrote:

In Safari, you can always do VO Right instead of tab. 

> On Jan 26, 2023, at 10:55, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> I’ll toss in something that has been consistent with VO recently. When 
> entering user name and passwords on web pages (both Safari and Edge) there is 
> a significant lag in speaking the titles to the edit fields.
> 
> I tab to the first field and type my user name. Then tab to the password 
> field. VO speaks what I just typed, then the next field title, before 
> indicating a blank field. It is irritating because it slows things down.
> 
> There are other instances with VO where a ghost word or phrase is spoken.
> 
> I open a text file in a folder. Then close it. Then Cmd+tab back to Finder. 
> It reads the name of an adjacent folder before focusing on the list of files 
> in a completely different folder. Again irritating, and slow response.
> 
> So in summary I would say that VO is less responsive and slow to find focus 
> than it used to be in earlier Mac OS versions. I’m on Ventura on a 2019 
> MacBook Pro.
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 26, 2023, at 4:27 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> 
> I personally have not noticed any degradation of accessibility on the MacOS 
> platforms.  I suspect that the old adage “Familiarity breeds contempt” may be 
> at play here!
> 
> Furthermore, unless someone is using both MacOS with VoiceOver and MS-Windows 
> with JAWS (or an alternative screen reader) what would be the basis of 
> comparison anyway?
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Re: Accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver

[Dave Carlson]

I’ll toss in something that has been consistent with VO recently. When entering 
user name and passwords on web pages (both Safari and Edge) there is a 
significant lag in speaking the titles to the edit fields.

I tab to the first field and type my user name. Then tab to the password field. 
VO speaks what I just typed, then the next field title, before indicating a 
blank field. It is irritating because it slows things down.

There are other instances with VO where a ghost word or phrase is spoken.

I open a text file in a folder. Then close it. Then Cmd+tab back to Finder. It 
reads the name of an adjacent folder before focusing on the list of files in a 
completely different folder. Again irritating, and slow response.

So in summary I would say that VO is less responsive and slow to find focus 
than it used to be in earlier Mac OS versions. I’m on Ventura on a 2019 MacBook 
Pro.

Dave Carlson
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On Jan 26, 2023, at 4:27 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:

I personally have not noticed any degradation of accessibility on the MacOS 
platforms.  I suspect that the old adage “Familiarity breeds contempt” may be 
at play here!

Furthermore, unless someone is using both MacOS with VoiceOver and MS-Windows 
with JAWS (or an alternative screen reader) what would be the basis of 
comparison anyway?

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Re: Accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver

[Dave Carlson]

I don’t think Quick Nav is what you are thinking it is. Quick Nav is used on 
web pages for single-letter navigation. VO lock is invoked  with VO+semicolon.

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On Jan 26, 2023, at 7:27 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

QuickNav locks the VO keys on, so you only have to press the modifier key.  In 
my experience, it creates havoc, so I don’t use it, though to be fair, I 
haven’t tried to use it in several years, so that may have changed.  But you 
turn it on by pressing the left and right arrow keys together.  You will hear 
VO say QuickNav on if it is activated.  It’s a toggle, so to turn it off, just 
press the left and right arrow keys again.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jan 26, 2023, at 9:17 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> what is qucik nav? Where would I go to make the vo keys capslock?
> 
> On 1/26/23, Suzanne Erb  wrote:
>> Try using the Caps Lock for VOkey.  Also try using qucik nav.
>> This simplifies things immensely.
>> Suzanne
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2023, at 10:04, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree about the VO keys.  Many things on the Mac require the use of
>>> several keys at once that on Windows can be accomplished with just one or
>>> two keys.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 26, 2023, at 8:45 AM, lenron brown  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the vo keys drive me nuts. I mean every time I have had a mac before
>>>> now using so many keys for certain things have made me go crazy, but
>>>> part of that is because I don't know all the little tricks around all
>>>> of that. Logic and work is one of the reasons I have decided to get
>>>> another Mac Book Pro. OH yeah and audio hijack sounds amazing, and I
>>>> can't for get wanting to try out Xcode. I will just have to force
>>>> myself to use the Macbook more than my windows pc for a couple weeks.
>>>> 
>>>> On 1/26/23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> I do use both.  I teach online, and I do prefer to do most of my
>>>>> teaching
>>>>> stuff on the PC.  However, to be fair, I’m not sure whether my feeling
>>>>> that
>>>>> that is easier is because it really is easier, or because it’s habit and
>>>>> I
>>>>> have good muscle memory for it.  On the other hand, I prefer to do most
>>>>> media related stuff on my Mac.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2023, at 6:27 AM, Bill Gallik  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I personally have not noticed any degradation of accessibility on the
>>>>>> MacOS platforms.  I suspect that the old adage “Familiarity breeds
>>>>>> contempt” may be at play here!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Furthermore, unless someone is using both MacOS with VoiceOver and
>>>>>> MS-Windows with JAWS (or an alternative screen reader) what would be
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> basis of comparison anyway?
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> - “clears the mind marvelously.”
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Re: Installer in Progress

[Dave Carlson]

Same problem here. I just wasn’t brave enough to post the question. It’s 
irritating.

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On Jan 16, 2023, at 6:42 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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  This happened in Monterey and started doing it in Ventura.

  When I first boot up, Voiceover announces "installer in progress" then 
"authentication". I have to double click the mouse to get focus on the 
password. Is there a fix for this? Thanks.

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Re: Partition Trouble

[Dave Carlson]

E.T.

I think you select the drive but make sure you have pressed CMD+2 to show all 
volumes first.

Then toolbar / Partition

Then you should have a pie chart view. VO+downarrow on the pie chart to get an 
expanded list of your partitions.

Then select the one you want to remove. You should then find a remove button 
when you VO right arrow far enough.

That’s all I can suggest at this point.

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On Jan 15, 2023, at 9:39 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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  Running Ventura. I did something wrong in creating a partition on an external 
disk and now want to revert back to  single partition and start over. What must 
I do? Thanks?

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Re: How does one compensate for PageUp and PageDown keys or Home and End keys on a MacBook Pro without an external full keyboard?

[Dave Carlson]

I’ve noticed a subtle difference when experimenting in the VO keyboard help 
mode.

With just Fn and the left/right the announcement is Home and end, as reported.

However when holding Fn plus VO and pressing left arrow, a moment after saying 
home it will also announce “Go to beginning, moves the cursor to the beginning” 
and similar additional information for the right arrow.

I think there is a difference in behavior for these two scenarios that may 
indeed affect how it works inside documents, etc.


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On Jan 8, 2023, at 9:29 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi Michael,

So if I go into keyboard help and press those keys—exactly as you describe—VO 
does say Home, End etc.  But if I press FN plus an arrow key without the VO 
modifier while in a document, webpage etc,nothing happens.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 8, 2023, at 11:23 AM, Michael Babcock  <mailto:michael@payown.media>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna!
> 
> To verify, when you press and hold FN, while pressing left or right in 
> keyboard help mode with VO+K your saying your computer doesn’t say home or 
> end unless you press the VO keys as well?
> 
> That is strange, on this MacBook Air, I can do the following steps:
> 
> 1. Press VO+K to enter keyboard help mode
> 2. Press and hold the FN key, bottom left key
> 3. While still pressing FN, press left or right and I hear Home or End 
> respectively.
> 
> Have a beautiful day.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 9:07 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Brad,. I am really tired of the obnoxious behavior you display on this list. 
>>  Either learn to be civil, or get off the list.
>> 
>> I can reproduce this behavior flawlessly, and without exception.  Just 
>> pressing the FN key does NOTHING! So, you can be rude all you want, but I’m 
>> going to post my experience as there is probably someone else out there who 
>> experiences the same thing, as I don’t that my Mac is an anomaly.  I don’t 
>> doubt that your Mac behaves as you describe, but mine, and undoubtedly 
>> others, do not.  So please don’t dismiss what I write out of hand.
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> You can disagree all you want, but the VO key is not necessary to change 
>>> the behavior of the arrow keys when using the Fn key.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 10:11, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry, Brad, but I have to disagree.  When I just press the FN key nothing 
>>> happens.  When I press the VO modifier, the keys behave as you describe.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 9:27 AM, Bradford Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Changing the behavior of the arrow keys is not a function of VoiceOver, 
>>>> therefore it is not necessary to use the VO modifier in order to use the 
>>>> alternate actions of the arrow keys as described in my original response.
>>>> You can test this by turning on Keyboard Help, then press the different 
>>>> arrow keys while holding down only the Fn key.
>>>> Whether or not the VO modifier is used along with the Fn key makes no 
>>>> matter.  The actions of the arrow keys will be the same.
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 08:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Just one addition to this, for me to use these commands, I also have to 
>>>> hold down the VO keys.  So, VO-FN-right arrow for home, etc.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 7, 2023, at 4:59 PM, Bradford Snyder >>>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you hold down the Fn key, the arrow keys become the following:
>>>>> Left Arrow becomes the Home key.
>>>>> Right Arrow becomes the End key.
>>>>> Up Arrow becomes the Page Up key.
>>>>> Down Arrow becomes the Page Down key.
>>>>> 
>>>>> HTH.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>

Re: Jump to Top of Web Page

[Dave Carlson]

I should have thought of using that six-pack. Thanks.

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On Jan 6, 2023, at 1:37 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

The correct command is, VO + Home, or if using a MacBook keyboard, then use VO 
+ Fn + LeftArrow.
Note:  When the Fn key is pressed, the Left Arrow key becomes the Home key.

- Brad -



> On Jan 6, 2023, at 15:23, Yolanda Thompson  wrote:
> 
> Once you interact with a page then vo left arrow should do it. If you
> are using a laptop then add the function key in.
> 
> On 1/6/23, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> Okay, I’ve not been able to figure this out. What is the key combination in
>> VoiceOver to jump to the very top of a web page? Not the toolbar or side bar
>> or tab bar — just the active web page itself.
>> 
>> And is this the same for both Safari and Edge? Using Ventura OS.
>> 
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Re: Jump to Top of Web Page

[Dave Carlson]

That seems to only jump to the beginning of the current line. I need a way to 
get to the very top of the web page from anywhere I am.

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On Jan 6, 2023, at 1:23 PM, Yolanda Thompson  wrote:

Once you interact with a page then vo left arrow should do it. If you
are using a laptop then add the function key in.

On 1/6/23, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> Okay, I’ve not been able to figure this out. What is the key combination in
> VoiceOver to jump to the very top of a web page? Not the toolbar or side bar
> or tab bar — just the active web page itself.
> 
> And is this the same for both Safari and Edge? Using Ventura OS.
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Jump to Top of Web Page

[Dave Carlson]

Okay, I’ve not been able to figure this out. What is the key combination in 
VoiceOver to jump to the very top of a web page? Not the toolbar or side bar or 
tab bar — just the active web page itself.

And is this the same for both Safari and Edge? Using Ventura OS.

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Re: Why does my Apple Watch tell me the wrong date

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Paul,

Only thing I can suggest is that you are set to a time zone that is exactly 12 
hours different from yours, and it is announcing PM instead of AM and vice 
versa. That would suggest that you have a different day some part of your 
current location. If you display 24-hour time, is the time correct for your 
location?

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On Dec 31, 2022, at 9:32 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:

Hello,
I have an Apple Watch SE 2021 running Watch OS 9.2 linked to an iPhone SE 2020 
running IOS 16.2.
Whenever I check the time on my watch it gives me the correct time but tells me 
that the date is yesterday’s date. I have just used the watch to check the time 
today Saturday 31 December at 5:12 pm and the watch tells me the correct time 
but with  the date Friday 30 December. When I check the time around 8:00am 
tomorrow Sunday 1 January the watch will tell me that the date is Saturday 31 
December.
When I check the date and time on my iPhone both time and date are correct.
If I power off the watch and restart it the watch then tells me the correct 
date but then gets it wrong the next day.
This behaviour started happening after the recent upgrades to Watch OS 9.2 and 
IOS 16.2.
Is this a bug in Watch OS 9.2 or have I somehow changed a critical Watch 
setting?
Many thanks for any ideas.
Best regards and Happy New Year … Paul Hopewell

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Re: Dictating and sending messages in iOS 16

[Dave Carlson]

Yes, this happens to me on occasion, where after dictating I do the magic tap 
and my audio book starts playing. And yes, I need to go to the home page to 
turn off the audio book there, in order to go back to the original app and stop 
the dictation, or re-start as the case may be. Seems to have been an issue for 
at least the last couple minor updates of iOS 16.

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On Dec 20, 2022, at 8:58 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

Luckily, it only does that on my end on occasion, so I’m guessing it’s a bug or 
a software glitch that can’t be easily fixed, since 1 gesture performs 2 
different commands, so it would be like being in a room with 2 people with the 
same name, and having both people answer you unless you call one of them by 
their last name, or a nickname.

> On Dec 20, 2022, at 11:36 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> That I haven’t seen, at least so far. (Fingers crossed)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2022, at 10:27 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> You too? I’ve had that same glitch on my end, or if I’m playing a game that 
>> requires the “magic tap” sometimes it will also trigger the music app, but 
>> the catch22 is, it won’t turn it off unless I exit out of the game.
>> 
>>> On Dec 20, 2022, at 10:15 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh, I’ve had that happen, too.  It seems to happen a lot when I’m hanging 
>>> up a phone call.  It hangs up, but also starts playing music.  And I agree, 
>>> it is quite annoying.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 20, 2022, at 9:02 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> FOr me it ends dictation but starts the music at the same time.
>>>> Very annoying.
>>>> /A
>>>> 
>>>>> 18 dec. 2022 kl. 22:51 skrev 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 19/12/22 08:21, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>>>>> I’ve seen the problem you’re talking about, too.  It’s very strange.  
>>>>>> Sometimes dictation doesn’t stop, sometimes it stops and the message 
>>>>>> sends, and sometimes it behaves correctly, which is why I wondered if it 
>>>>>> was a bug.
>>>>> What happens if you use a two-finger double-tap gesture to end dictation, 
>>>>> instead of the button?
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Re: iOS 16 Gestures

[Dave Carlson]

Yes. Works.

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On Dec 17, 2022, at 10:03 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  4 finger single tap at top or bottom of screen?

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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will make violent revolution inevitable."
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On 12/17/2022 9:45 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
> It still works for me, even with 16.2 iOS. Don’t know what to say.
> Dave Carlson
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> On Dec 17, 2022, at 9:28 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>   Prior to iOS 16, I had used the 4 finger tap at top of screen for move to 
> first item and at bottom for move to last item. The latter is now gone. Is 
> this a bug or an intentional change? Thanks.
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Re: iOS 16 Gestures

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It still works for me, even with 16.2 iOS. Don’t know what to say.

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On Dec 17, 2022, at 9:28 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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  Prior to iOS 16, I had used the 4 finger tap at top of screen for move to 
first item and at bottom for move to last item. The latter is now gone. Is this 
a bug or an intentional change? Thanks.

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Getting Stuck in Sidebar/Toolbar/Tabs in Safari

[Dave Carlson]

On Ventura, using Safari.

Seems like it’s very easy to get stranded in those areas and tabbing does not 
get me back to the web content page. Is there a magic keystroke in Voiceover to 
get me back to the web content when I fall into that sticky tar-pit?

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Column and Row Header Voice in Numbers Too Low and Croaky

[Dave Carlson]

Hello,

I used to know how to fix this in Excel on Windows, but I’ve never run into 
this problem on aq Mac.

While the information in cells in a Numbers spreadsheet read in my normal Tom 
voice, The column and row headers read in a very low and garbled speech.

This voice is not my default voice when signing on to Ventura, and none of the 
voice settings in Voiceover Utility  are set to this low and croaky sound. All 
the voice variations are set to exactly the same Tom voice a the same rate and 
pitch and intonation.

Anyone know where I go to adjust the row and column header voice for Numbers?

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Re: Mac Mail

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Max,

Not sure if it will help, but in the View menu there should be something like 
classic mode, or column mode. Maybe this will help.

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On Dec 8, 2022, at 9:29 PM, Agent086b  wrote:

Hi all,
I know my question has been asked in the past but I did not need it then.
I have got my new iMac today so am learning the differences between one built 
in 2011 and 2021.
In Mail  there appears to be another tab or window when in message view. I can 
be on the message being sender subject etc. In the past I use VO + J to jump 
back to the mailbox list but I now jump into what appears to me to be the open 
message. The jump does not go back to the mailbox list. I hav mail set to show 
no lines under settings.
How can I return mail to what it is was or can’t I?
Thanks for any help,.
Max.

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Re: Opening Pontes media downloader in Mac?

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Thanks! Downloaded and will install.

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On Nov 28, 2022, at 9:55 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

I much prefer using YouTubeToMP3 converter from MediaHuman.com.
You can convert a single file, or paste several files and convert in a batch.
I’ve been using it for several years, and find it to be 99% VoiceOver 
accessible.
Check it out, and see what you think.
It is free, so you have nothing to lose.
below is a Dropbox link to the latest version, updated Nov 19, 2022.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/er76yknl2stzdgl/YouTubeToMP3.dmg?dl=1

Or, you can get it from MediaHuman yourself.

https://www.mediahuman.com/youtube-to-mp3-converter/downloading-mac.html

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> On Nov 28, 2022, at 10:48, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>  That is Romania. I saw a Google hit for the UK if you want to try that 
> instead.
> 
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> will make violent revolution inevitable."
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> 
> On 11/27/2022 10:38 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>> No. It Gif the website with.RO suffix that triggers the warning.
>> Dave Carlson
>> Woodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and Musician
>> On Nov 27, 2022, at 10:13 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks much, Dave.
>> Does the following website look ok?
>> https://www.accessiblecomputer.co.uk/download-and-convert-videos-from-youtube-with-pontes-media-downloader/
>>  
>> <https://www.accessiblecomputer.co.uk/download-and-convert-videos-from-youtube-with-pontes-media-downloader/>
>> This website provides direct download from:
>> www.pontes.ro <http://www.pontes.ro>
>> Thanks!
>> *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  *On 
>> Behalf Of *Dave Carlson
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 27, 2022 9:50 PM
>> *To:* Mac Visionaries 
>> *Cc:* Farfar 
>> *Subject:* Re: Opening Pontes media downloader in Mac?
>> Hello Mohamed,
>> I was not able to download this file. My Malware protection warned me that 
>> this was a web site that is blocked as a high risk. I will to try and find 
>> it somewhere else.
>> Dave Carlson
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>> On Nov 27, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Fazil M. > <mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> Thanks much, Dave.
>> I am downloading the app from the following website:
>> https://blindhelp.net/software/ponce-media-downloader 
>> <https://blindhelp.net/software/ponce-media-downloader>
>> and I am selecting the following:
>> Download Ponce Media Downloader for Mac OSX (X64 only) (103.9 MB)
>> I am sorry, I don’t know the command to get the url from an embedded link.
>> Thanks!
>> *From:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>*On Behalf Of*Dave Carlson
>> *Sent:*Sunday, November 27, 2022 7:53 PM
>> *To:*Mac Visionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>> *Cc:*Farfar mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>>
>> *Subject:*Re: Opening Pontes media downloader in Mac?
>> Mohamed, did you actually find a versions for the Mac? Can you send me the 
>> link?
>> Dave Carlson
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>> On Nov 27, 2022, at 4:06 PM, Fazil M. > <mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> Hi, Group.
>> I have downloaded Pontes media downloader from the internet but Mac does not 
>> let me install this app. System dialog, cautioning me, says that this app 
>> can not be installed because the developer can not be verified.
>> Any help/advice appreciated.
>> Thanks!
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Re: Opening Pontes media downloader in Mac?

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No. It Gif the website with.RO suffix that triggers the warning. Dave CarlsonWoodworker, Farfar, Oregonian, pioneer, engineer, and MusicianOn Nov 27, 2022, at 10:13 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:
Thanks much, Dave.Does the following website look ok?https://www.accessiblecomputer.co.uk/download-and-convert-videos-from-youtube-with-pontes-media-downloader/This website provides direct download from:www.pontes.roThanks! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave CarlsonSent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 9:50 PMTo: Mac Visionaries Cc: Farfar Subject: Re: Opening Pontes media downloader in Mac? Hello Mohamed, I was not able to download this file. My Malware protection warned me that this was a web site that is blocked as a high risk. I will to try and find it somewhere else. Dave CarlsonOregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Pioneer, and Musiciandgcarlson0...@gmail.com   On Nov 27, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Fazil M.  wrote: Thanks much, Dave.I am downloading the app from the following website:https://blindhelp.net/software/ponce-media-downloader and I am selecting the following:Download Ponce Media Downloader for Mac OSX (X64 only) (103.9 MB) I am sorry, I don’t know the command to get the url from an embedded link.Thanks! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave CarlsonSent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 7:53 PMTo: Mac Visionaries Cc: Farfar Subject: Re: Opening Pontes media downloader in Mac? Mohamed, did you actually find a versions for the Mac? Can you send me the link? Dave CarlsonOregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Pioneer, and Musiciandgcarlson0...@gmail.com   On Nov 27, 2022, at 4:06 PM, Fazil M.  wrote: Hi, Group.I have downloaded Pontes media downloader from the internet but Mac does not let me install this app. System dialog, cautioning me, says that this app can not be installed because the developer can not be verified.Any help/advice appreciated.Thanks!  -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DS7PR20MB4159621E9988ADDD9FE53376C9139%40DS7PR20MB4159.namprd20.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DADF3BDB-B1D2-4084-9E9B-FB6953AEEC8A%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at:  mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DS7PR20MB415908C58EDC3A409F4EA136C9139%40DS7PR20MB4159.namprd20.prod.outlook.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you 

Re: Opening Pontes media downloader in Mac?

[Dave Carlson]

Hello Mohamed,

I was not able to download this file. My Malware protection warned me that this 
was a web site that is blocked as a high risk. I will to try and find it 
somewhere else.

Dave Carlson
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On Nov 27, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:

Thanks much, Dave.
I am downloading the app from the following website:
https://blindhelp.net/software/ponce-media-downloader
 
and I am selecting the following:
Download Ponce Media Downloader for Mac OSX (X64 only) (103.9 MB)
 
I am sorry, I don’t know the command to get the url from an embedded link.
Thanks!
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 7:53 PM
To: Mac Visionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Cc: Farfar mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Opening Pontes media downloader in Mac?
 
Mohamed, did you actually find a versions for the Mac? Can you send me the link?
 
Dave Carlson
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Hi, Group.
I have downloaded Pontes media downloader from the internet but Mac does not 
let me install this app. System dialog, cautioning me, says that this app can 
not be installed because the developer can not be verified.
Any help/advice appreciated.
Thanks!
 
 
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Re: Opening Pontes media downloader in Mac?

[Dave Carlson]

A zip file can be extracted on a Mac. 

Dave Carlson
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On Nov 27, 2022, at 8:13 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:

Yes, I would send you the link.
Let me ask you this, it is a zip file, should I unzip it manually or the system 
would take care of it?
Let me send you the link shortly.
Thanks!
 
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<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 7:53 PM
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Cc: Farfar mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Opening Pontes media downloader in Mac?
 
Mohamed, did you actually find a versions for the Mac? Can you send me the link?
 
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On Nov 27, 2022, at 4:06 PM, Fazil M. mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:
 
Hi, Group.
I have downloaded Pontes media downloader from the internet but Mac does not 
let me install this app. System dialog, cautioning me, says that this app can 
not be installed because the developer can not be verified.
Any help/advice appreciated.
Thanks!
 
 
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Re: Opening Pontes media downloader in Mac?

[Dave Carlson]

Mohamed, did you actually find a versions for the Mac? Can you send me the link?

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On Nov 27, 2022, at 4:06 PM, Fazil M.  wrote:

Hi, Group.
I have downloaded Pontes media downloader from the internet but Mac does not 
let me install this app. System dialog, cautioning me, says that this app can 
not be installed because the developer can not be verified.
Any help/advice appreciated.
Thanks!
 

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Re: Downloading YouTube audio?

[Dave Carlson]

 Not see that this is available for the Mac.

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On Nov 27, 2022, at 11:52 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I use Pontes media downloader. it downloads the youtube video and converts it 
to mp3. it’s free but it’s not in the app store.

> On Nov 27, 2022, at 12:42 PM, Fazil M.  <mailto:mfa...@outlook.com>> wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> Is there a way where audio can be downloaded from a youtube video?
> How can I download a Youtube video, please?
> Thanks!
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Re: Selecting Noncontiguous Files to Copy?

[Dave Carlson]

Brad,

Can you lock the VO modifiers by pressing VO+semicolon, to make the selection 
process easier?

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On Nov 24, 2022, at 9:45 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:

1.  Make sure you are in List view.
2.  Interact with the List view table.
3.  Use VO navigation to move to the first item you want to select, then press 
VO + CMD + Enter.
4.  While continuing to hold down the VO modifier, navigate to the second file 
you wish to select, then press VO + CMD + Enter, to select.
5.  Repeat step 4 until you have selected all files you wish to select.
Note:  Once you start selecting files, do not let up on the VO modifier, or 
leave the Finder view in which you are selecting items.

HTH.

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> Hi, Group.
> How can I select Noncontiguous files to copy?
> I have MacbookPro with Ventura.
> Thanks!
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Re: Totally Confused -- How do I Install from a .DMG File?

[Dave Carlson]

Okay,

Maybe I figured out what was going wrong. I was trying to paste it to the 
Applications folder that was showing in the DMG window, which is an alias. When 
I pasted it to the actual applications folder it worked.

Thanks for the reassurance.

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On Nov 20, 2022, at 8:53 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  Open the dmg, interact with the volume  then select and copy with command -c 
the application file and paste it with command-v to the Applications folder. On 
the desktop select that volume and eject it

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On 11/20/2022 8:33 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
> I’ve read all sorts of stuff on the web, and they say how simple it is. Just 
> drag the resulting app to the applications folder. Really?
> Here’s what I’m experiencing:
> 1. Command O on the .DMG file
> 2. A finder window opens with just to entries
> One is Applications, and the other is the name of the program I’m installing.
> 3. Also, on my desktop I get an entry (must be a volume) with the same 
> program name.
> 4. So do I just do a Command+c to copy the program name item and 
> Command+Option+V to paste it to the applications folder?
> Doesn’t do a thing.
> What am I doing so wrong?
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Totally Confused -- How do I Install from a .DMG File?

[Dave Carlson]

I’ve read all sorts of stuff on the web, and they say how simple it is. Just 
drag the resulting app to the applications folder. Really?

Here’s what I’m experiencing:

1. Command O on the .DMG file
2. A finder window opens with just to entries 
One is Applications, and the other is the name of the program I’m installing.
3. Also, on my desktop I get an entry (must be a volume) with the same program 
name.
4. So do I just do a Command+c to copy the program name item and 
Command+Option+V to paste it to the applications folder?

Doesn’t do a thing.

What am I doing so wrong?

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